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00:02:35.460 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:36.940 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:38.020 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:42.800 Two untamable intellects.

00:02:44.540 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:02:45.380 This is our hell.

00:02:46.240 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:02:48.520 This is POOG.

00:02:49.940 Today's topic, loosely speaking, this woman you know. 0.91

00:02:53.020 600 years, Violet No. 2.

00:03:01.360 Hi, Octane Pook. Hi, Octane Pook. Hi, Octane. We're in two countries.

00:03:06.600 Oh yeah, baby. We're in different countries.

00:03:08.840 So wait, hang on. You're in Scotland. I'm in Los Angeles.

00:03:11.540 So you mean to tell me it's the evening for you and the morning for me?

00:03:15.240 Well, it's 4.49 p.m. here in Scotland, where it only gets dark at about 9.30 a.m.

00:03:22.140 we're so far north memories of the white knights of russia for me wow which just adds to the jet

00:03:28.400 like folks i've said it before and i'll say it again jet lag's real it's not even just real it's

00:03:36.700 um crippling it is did you because i recently as you know was in london and i was shocked on the

00:03:45.160 way there when i arrived in london i was sort of okay but i feel like i didn't sleep on the plane

00:03:50.000 almost at all so then it was like i arrived dead tired took like and it's morning and it's morning

00:03:57.360 yeah and i took like a half hour nap and then i was tired that night for bed and i feel like that

00:04:01.740 really helped me anyway what is zinger to start off the episode with um just quickly to jet lag 0.91

00:04:07.900 this um like gorgeous woman i know she was like well what you do is you just never eat on the

00:04:12.600 plane under any circumstance i'm like well absolutely not like this woman you know yeah 0.77

00:04:17.420 she was like sure because i thought i told you this a few weeks back because i read an article

00:04:22.000 i read an article no no no no i've heard about this i've heard about this because i used to

00:04:26.640 follow this this person who also did this and i was like this is deranged but she was like you

00:04:31.240 never eat on a plane and then when they land when you're landing you have a cup of coffee i was like

00:04:34.960 oh my god i mean and she's talking about 12 hour flights i mean who can do that no well right i

00:04:42.460 mean I guess to me that's just a question of okay suffer now or suffer later right so like I mean

00:04:49.020 no I mean but like and what what and pick your suffering like for me I thought about I read this

00:04:53.580 guy's thing saying similar like eat nothing uh like it's almost like you know you completely

00:04:58.380 deprogram your body like out of out of a rhythm by not eating and then and then yeah it was like

00:05:04.320 yeah they come around everyone else is chowing down on their ravioli and um and you know and 0.99

00:05:10.320 like fools fools all of them but the only comfort you have up there is mealtime all you have is 0.98

00:05:17.140 mealtime them coming around you know the the miracle of choice the fact that there's a choice 0.99

00:05:22.380 makes you feel like a king i know they go they go chicken it was it was it was um chicken marsala or

00:05:29.620 ravioli i went chicken because you know there's no hiding anymore i decided after my breakdown

00:05:36.180 you know a couple weeks back i'm pug about this i just i just can't hide anymore it's yeah i'm

00:05:39.880 wearing a glucose monitor folks it's who i am if it removes the romance it removes the romance

00:05:44.440 so i went chicken marsala the plane is the one place where i where i kind of just still won't

00:05:51.440 eat meat like honestly kate i know i mean not that i like not that i haven't there's literally

00:05:59.020 nothing i'll take the mozzarella sub yeah but they're not cooking it up there any more than

00:06:06.120 I know they're not cooking it up there, but it's like, it feels like the meat on a plane

00:06:09.920 is like extra, like, they're like, we tied up the animals a little tighter for you.

00:06:16.320 That is disgusting.

00:06:18.300 It feels like it's like extra. 0.93

00:06:20.780 It just seems like the complete, like the worst.

00:06:24.060 Of course.

00:06:24.900 No, you have every right to feel that way.

00:06:27.180 However.

00:06:27.780 And just, and by the way, I'm not even talking here.

00:06:29.840 I'm not even going to pretend I'm talking about animal cruelty.

00:06:31.920 I'm talking about visually what I'm looking at here, which is like, you know,

00:06:36.000 it just, it looks, the meat up there feels wrong.

00:06:39.880 I mean, what a completely obvious thing to say.

00:06:44.060 No, I think it's, it's, it's worth noting.

00:06:46.840 Cause I think, you know, there was always this assumption kind of where it's like,

00:06:51.020 you know, where I kind of go like, well, obviously the chicken's going to be,

00:06:53.660 oh, the fish is going to be bad, whatever.

00:06:54.680 Like hearing ravioli, you're like, literally how bad can it be?

00:06:58.220 Right?

00:06:58.980 Like how bad can ravioli be?

00:07:01.000 Like, oh, it's going to be.

00:07:02.100 It feels like safety.

00:07:02.840 Yeah.

00:07:02.960 It's like, yeah, pretty bad.

00:07:05.220 Yeah.

00:07:06.000 well but but but technically like literally how bad could it be like what could go so wrong in a

00:07:11.300 guacamole in a ravioli yeah okay sitting in a marinara like like actually i wanted to experiment

00:07:17.020 with this for a second i want to fantasize okay well i'll tell you what can go wrong if it's too

00:07:20.040 sweet sugary marinara yeah there it is there it is at the same time however by the way on this

00:07:25.600 flight recent flight long flight right to london i ate shockingly i brought my own food i brought

00:07:31.180 this like salad this um pasta salad among other things doubled over in pain upon landing stomach

00:07:37.180 ache from conceivably gas well yeah those bubbles expand in that altitude like like doubled over

00:07:45.300 forget what that is as pressure goes up the grain expands you you swallow a single bubble of air

00:07:52.140 and i'll put it that way entering a plane you come down full balloon in the stomach like sweatpants

00:07:59.480 that feel like a corset instantly it's brutal it hurts yeah and but i was just thinking like 0.98

00:08:07.460 so ravioli is the answer but i was like i'm not i'm i'm monitoring my fucking glucose 0.89

00:08:13.120 moment by moment like i'm not getting bad ravioli when i could have bad chicken marsala 0.92

00:08:18.520 meanwhile drowned in potatoes right literally a few bites it's not my favorite i don't eat the

00:08:25.900 cookie okay I don't even look at the cookie and that's always been one of the things these people

00:08:29.760 that don't look at the sweet thing that don't like I've always been really interested in like

00:08:33.540 people in Dunkin' Donuts whose eyes don't sort of lustfully pass across the wall behind they're

00:08:39.620 just there it's like very east coast but like they're just there for the coffee the row of

00:08:43.660 donuts the wall of glistening donuts is just it's just absolutely irrelevant meaningless yeah

00:08:48.920 Literally window dressing to many, where to me it is absolute temptation.

00:08:55.420 Would you prefer a donut or like a chocolate croissant?

00:09:01.520 I will never prefer a chocolate croissant over a regular croissant.

00:09:07.860 I have no interest.

00:09:09.820 Get chocolate out of there.

00:09:10.960 Now look.

00:09:11.320 So classy.

00:09:12.860 If someone rolled in and said, hey, I have something for you.

00:09:15.780 It's a chocolate croissant.

00:09:16.700 Would I gallop?

00:09:17.600 Would I scream?

00:09:18.340 Yes.

00:09:18.920 Okay. But I take it down. If they said, would you rather have gotten me a plain croissant?

00:09:25.080 Would you rather me have gotten you a plain croissant? They had those two. I go, oh my

00:09:28.400 God, no, of course not. This is perfect. And they go, well, I'm going back tomorrow to get a second

00:09:31.920 one. What do you want tomorrow? Plain. Okay. Got it. Wow. If there wouldn't be that rude,

00:09:36.920 I'd say. I love a chocolate. Well, tomorrow I want to settle into a plane. It's hot. It's like

00:09:42.400 liquid chocolate, right? No. I mean, it depends. I mean. Wait, what is it? You know.

00:09:47.800 suddenly can't picture it. Not liquid. I mean, it's a chocolate croissant. It's not liquid.

00:09:52.640 It's almost like a, well, it can't be right. Cause well, a good, I mean, you know, a good

00:09:57.300 chocolate croissant is not overwhelmingly chocolatey, right? There's chocolate in there,

00:10:01.440 but it's like, it's most of the croissant. It's mostly croissant with a hint. No, it's probably

00:10:07.420 ecstasy, but with just a bite of chocolate in there. If you could have one donut every day

00:10:12.020 and only one donut, you're living on rough donuts on the desert Island again. Wouldn't

00:10:16.420 be fun to visit poog desert island oh that would be fun and it has all the things it has the shark

00:10:21.640 a tree that we've chosen i have one movie interstellar you have one thing you have a 0.95

00:10:27.780 shark a tree check it to me uh and then you get one donut i mean and i know you don't give a shit 0.87

00:10:35.220 about a donut i love donuts and okay you might be shocked i love an old-fashioned okay we've

00:10:42.960 probably discussed this now because it's feeling a little familiar so do i okay they're they're of

00:10:48.960 course you know they they raise a major question about sweets okay is it cake oh my god i just said

00:11:01.740 the name of that show that's hell is that is it uh-huh oh it's called is it cake yeah no it's it

00:11:12.540 Will there be cake?

00:11:13.320 It's like the most watched show that's ever on every planet.

00:11:17.220 But isn't it, will there be cake or is there a cake?

00:11:20.420 No, it's a show.

00:11:21.420 You said, is it cake?

00:11:23.740 Yeah, I said, is it cake, which is the punchline of this show.

00:11:28.340 Okay.

00:11:29.320 Well.

00:11:33.720 Nonetheless.

00:11:34.940 I can't.

00:11:35.860 I won't degrade it because colleagues, you know, comedians, hey, you got to make a buck.

00:11:40.280 you got to entertain people as they return you know they've been it's like if you've been fighting

00:11:46.940 a war for two years and you're you're barely you're like yeah every body part's blown off

00:11:52.540 you've lost everyone you kind of just want to get home watch is it cake probably yeah like what is

00:11:57.560 it a sitcom oh honey now i love a sitcom where the guy's like comes home like like puts down

00:12:05.980 his briefcase after work and is like honey is it cake yeah standing in front of standing in front

00:12:10.740 of the oven what's in there no it's a show it's a baking show it's a baking show where contestants

00:12:16.640 bake things and then uh i haven't okay watched i've just seen the trailer they choose whether

00:12:21.440 that is an actual engine block from a cylinder of a car or is that cake is that an engine block or

00:12:27.520 is it a cake and by the way god bless let's have fun here's my problem with that okay okay

00:12:32.620 i'm immediately well okay the the is it cake thing it better be i love to do this like instead

00:12:41.140 of asking how the show does it me assume that they're doing it wrong and then try to fix it

00:12:44.900 for them okay yeah with no knowledge but i'm going that is gonna that is obviously about

00:12:51.660 the outside of the cake and what it looks like right they're not not eating it asking the

00:12:55.660 question right then it becomes sort of irrelevant the interior it kind of is all about surface

00:13:00.140 right were you able to create something with the shapes this is a huge point yeah with the little

00:13:05.960 shapes and the little indentations of an engine block okay and i don't know the difference between

00:13:10.320 a block and an engine let's you know and an engine block but whatever i'm picturing something and

00:13:15.400 then there's obviously some some surface that they've learned to create that looks like

00:13:19.000 realistic now i'm going is that marzipan is that whatever the huge question yeah okay and so i'm

00:13:25.920 going i'm going i hope you're enjoying this game where you have the answers i don't know but i'm

00:13:29.960 going like so every day like if everyone's using the same ingredients like like where i want to

00:13:33.840 know where the skill comes and i want to know if every day we're essentially seeing like i'd want

00:13:39.140 to see is that a blanket or is that cake is that an engine block or is that cake is that the ocean

00:13:43.500 or is that cake completely different challenging textures right well because it's like the thing i

00:13:49.600 so i was like is oh that's a hamburger no it's not it's cake and there is i i i think if your

00:13:55.980 criticism i think i'm agreeing here too which is like i'm not tasting that cake it's not cake

00:14:03.080 actually no it's guess what guess what it's not cake it's a sculpture of a thing do you know what

00:14:09.620 i mean like guess what thank you it's not cake there might be cake in there okay it was never

00:14:16.680 going to be cake. And so what it actually is, is it's this desperate need. I think why something

00:14:24.120 about it is so disturbing, right? Is it's like, oh, we are all reduced to like barking apes who

00:14:29.260 it's like, where it's like watching a cup. That's kind of the pleasure of the show, right? Is that

00:14:33.980 you're watching a cup being sliced in half and you go, I thought it was a cup and it's not a

00:14:37.780 cup. It's like, it's a cake every time. Yeah. Or half a time. It's like, again, we go to the lack

00:14:43.620 of God, the lack of ritual, like the lack of interiority and contemporary culture.

00:14:48.680 No, I mean, once again, spiritual paucity leads. Never remember if dearth is a lack or a fullness.

00:14:57.080 There's no wonder left, right? The only miracle we have anymore is looking at a chair and going,

00:15:03.860 it's not a chair. Oh my God, there's, there's a cake in there. It's like, that's all,

00:15:08.740 it's devastating. It's all we have.

00:15:10.200 it's um and yet and we have to rage against the dying of that light we cannot we cannot it's not

00:15:16.620 a chair it's a cake right let's just say right by the way um yeah no it's almost like we should

00:15:22.400 pick something else because that one it would never be because a chair stands but that's actually

00:15:27.320 a good that's actually a good example well i'd be i'd be interested in watching that one do you

00:15:32.660 remember okay i'm sorry to say it but we know we both read the dairy dog okay okay we both read

00:15:38.300 very specific we kind of were in a similar uh took similar classes in college right

00:15:42.900 psycholinguistics kind of stuff right language of the everyday whatever now do you remember

00:15:47.720 learning or understand okay first of all do you remember as a teenager hearing the term

00:15:53.120 postmodern thrown about sure and not really knowing what it meant of course do you do you

00:15:59.300 feel like you ever got a grasp we discussed this already um do you feel like you ever got a grasp

00:16:04.040 where you could define it i think so all right i i imagine there are many definitions me rushing

00:16:11.360 to google well don't don't give me the google yet because i'm curious okay the only thing that took

00:16:16.540 for me we're talking about when the dairy dot took hold okay the only thing that took for me with 0.87

00:16:22.160 with with post-modernism and this was just one angle and i did you find it let's fucking hear

00:16:29.600 it actually let's just fucking hear it well why do i like to do everything backwards i don't know 0.80

00:16:34.000 i am who i am i guess i remember learning about like signs and signified okay and the world of 0.78

00:16:43.600 meaning you know being things pointing you know in communication and whatever being things pointing

00:16:49.000 to other things etc etc right yes and it was almost like in you know modernism modernism was a

00:16:57.440 like you know you could say like was a deviating off of classicism or something okay the classic

00:17:03.220 understanding of things whatever modernism is a deviation from that so but but but therefore in

00:17:08.780 modernism you're still referring back to classic something you're just deviating from it but it's

00:17:13.020 still part of the conversation right and then post-modernism is like you take away almost the

00:17:19.180 original thing that everything ladders back to and then the world is just free-floating signs

00:17:23.920 and signifieds in all directions and that's like Nietzsche saying god is dead like there is no I

00:17:29.800 I think that's a beautiful definition.

00:17:32.000 It doesn't all go back to, you know, whatever shared idea of the nature of things.

00:17:38.380 Right.

00:17:38.620 It's the irreverence.

00:17:40.760 Right.

00:17:41.120 I feel like that's.

00:17:41.940 And it's also like, but it's the secondary, it's postmodern because the first irreverence

00:17:47.260 is still honoring the original thing by deviating from it.

00:17:50.520 Yes.

00:17:50.920 Yes.

00:17:51.320 I'm not you.

00:17:51.860 I'm that, you know, it's almost like, it's like, you know, theism, atheism.

00:17:56.720 And then it's embarrassing.

00:17:57.560 It's like, well, it's like the laughing at Shakespeare thing.

00:17:59.800 right oh god modernism is almost like yeah and then post-modernism is like no you're not

00:18:05.940 you're pretending to laugh oh god yeah well the the the i mean theater laughter is

00:18:13.060 terrifying loaded laughing at shakespeare i mean it's just has yeah so oh my god i once

00:18:21.940 pretended to be truly made to laugh at a shakespeare comedy it's an amazing moment when you

00:18:27.420 feel and it's scary but beautiful when you are when a friend sees you doing something when you 0.97

00:18:35.220 can really be caught on your shit so this is a real visceral memory for me i'm in the ninth grade 0.93

00:18:40.560 10th grade i purchased freud's book the joke and its relation to the unconscious yes because i'm 0.99

00:18:47.900 like getting obsessed with comedy and i'm like i gotta go back baby yes you got it imagine if we

00:18:52.700 imagine if we met I know imagine we met and spent summers together it's so cute and by the way

00:18:58.120 the book I had purchased it I think at the museum gift shop or something and the cover was really

00:19:03.280 enticing to me it was like a Magritte painting which Magritte is like made for teenagers I mean 0.77

00:19:07.660 that's such fucking that's so like hysterical but I just mean it's like so rude but genius yes 0.81

00:19:12.100 art's a little crazy isn't it yeah yeah yeah so it's like always like a huge red flag when like 0.99

00:19:17.240 an adult is like has like a this is a pipe poster in their home oh well this is not a pipe this

00:19:24.880 lady's got a banana on her head but it like looks it's this is not a pipe is a perfect

00:19:30.700 example of perfect a post-modern question it's literally and by the way i've never had it

00:19:36.480 explained to me in a way that was inspiring like every time they've been like well what is the

00:19:41.220 difference between a pipe and an image of a pipe and like to me it was much more interesting the

00:19:45.980 idea of saying like i don't know we should investigate it at some point we should investigate 0.71

00:19:51.940 that shit we should do um we got to do who goes to the museum and just do a walkthrough okay but 0.97

00:19:57.360 um okay so i was so i had this book and i was reading it i put reading douchebag shuffles out 0.99

00:20:06.320 of the way of his own magritte hanging behind his head and in the um in the hallway into his

00:20:11.820 apartment hoping you'll notice sorry I just caught you like heading into someone's apartment and

00:20:17.220 there's like a douchebag man who realizes his own head is blocking the Magritte hanging on his wall

00:20:22.140 and he's like terrified like and so he just quickly moves his head to try to get you to

00:20:26.400 see the Magritte terrified that I won't see it yeah yeah all right go on okay so I had this Freud

00:20:32.820 book and I was reading it and I put reading reading as a very loose definition for what

00:20:36.440 I was doing with it right I was performing reading I was like reading it and I was trying

00:20:40.980 right so good for me but like I was completely so there was this moment I was sitting we're going on

00:20:45.960 a class trip to Washington DC and I was on a plane and behind me were two of my friends and I was

00:20:54.920 kind of like guys like I'm reading on the flight okay you guys can talk about eye shadow yeah and

00:21:01.600 the strokes I'm serious I'm reading Freud because I'm serious about comedy yes of course okay so

00:21:08.700 i'm reading it and i stand by this entirely i did something similar in a spring break all right

00:21:15.160 okay but there was this moment so and this really is one of my four memories i had the book and i

00:21:21.740 chuckled to myself okay heaven on earth completely fake right i don't know what i was doing i think

00:21:27.400 i think what it was was that i read something and sort of understood it and so my only reaction

00:21:31.220 exactly which is right was to go which was and it was to it was to myself and then my friend

00:21:39.040 Kimmy behind me I'll never forget it she went to laugh at Freud genius genius Kimmy I mean 0.98

00:21:48.300 and I remember being like so like defensive humiliated and yet and then being like fuck 0.98

00:21:56.080 she's right. And yet, I mean, yeah, it's, I mean, yeah, to be caught quietly chuckling to oneself 0.96

00:22:02.380 over, over a work of that nature. Um, I mean, you know, yeah, but I also stand by the impulse

00:22:10.700 entirely. There's something about being kind of like, uh, with friends and sort of, yes, we're,

00:22:18.700 yes, we're all in like tube tops, but my nose is buried in. And I feel like I went through a period

00:22:24.660 of reading about like film in that very specific way like now i'm like now i'm left with two huge

00:22:31.680 copies of like eisenstein's theory of the montage i've got it right here honey film theory okay

00:22:39.040 yeah yeah and it's like i've got it right here doll goes into kabuki it goes into kabuki and

00:22:44.800 it's like relation to the film and but but you know i do stand by the presence of books

00:22:50.440 read or unread we talked about this i think oh the lake of fish or something

00:22:54.720 Right?

00:22:55.200 Or, I don't know.

00:22:56.200 It doesn't matter.

00:22:56.280 What's like a fish?

00:23:00.720 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:23:04.780 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:23:09.920 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:23:13.920 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:23:15.120 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:23:18.920 So, no, I am not your guru.

00:23:22.100 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:23:27.560 There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

00:23:30.540 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:23:39.380 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:23:43.960 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95

00:23:46.720 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

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00:26:36.460 Wait, I have huge supplement news.

00:26:39.020 Okay.

00:26:41.120 I still haven't taken fish oil. I'm fucked. 1.00

00:26:43.340 We're not experts, okay? 1.00

00:26:44.180 I got my fish over here.

00:26:46.040 So I was going to say vitamins, the bioavailability,

00:26:48.800 it's like so overwhelming, right?

00:26:50.420 Like I was about to ask you about sea moss

00:26:52.120 and be like, do we need to start taking sea moss

00:26:53.820 by the spoonful?

00:26:56.060 That's a different thing, but.

00:26:58.280 Well, I can't seem to stay on almost any supplement.

00:27:02.140 Same.

00:27:02.800 And I think I identified the issue a few weeks back

00:27:05.740 when I realized that it's that there's an overlap.

00:27:08.340 You need to be able to, 0.98

00:27:09.180 we need to be able to scan all of our fucking mixes 0.98

00:27:11.980 and drinks and powders okay scan the barcode and it goes and it adds up for you if I take this this 0.98

00:27:17.900 and this this how many total milligrams of seed did I get today yeah am I overdosing on ashwagandha

00:27:24.500 right you know what I'm saying yeah I guess like like so it's it's like it's like either you commit

00:27:30.300 to one company and their mix and just deal with the fact like it's too much it's overwhelming

00:27:36.760 it's too hard swallowing things is like you know not the greatest the covid stuff i'm of course now

00:27:43.400 waking up like this morning last night in this place where we had the league of their own premiere

00:27:47.900 out august 12th okay well congratulations on the dress and i know it's an ensemble but thank you

00:27:55.060 it is a top and skirt but thank you but the premiere was you know outdoors response you know

00:28:00.860 okay yeah it's all outdoors but it's like well yeah it's outdoors with people screaming in my

00:28:05.260 face for 14 hours. Right. Like I'm screaming in their face. It's just like direct, direct in the

00:28:09.060 face, right into the face. And then, and so now I'm like, you know, every slight sensation is

00:28:13.840 like, well, here it comes and I'm petrified of getting COVID as we all are. But you know,

00:28:18.820 I, of course I'm, I'm going to New York next week to, um, I'm going to start working on my,

00:28:23.220 my off Broadway show folks, New York it's, it's happening. And, um, I have, you know,

00:28:30.120 I'm living fear of if I get COVID when I'm loading this thing in or whatever, it's like,

00:28:33.360 what the hell do I do? And every sensation points to COVID and it's, um, Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a very

00:28:40.140 confusing time to be alive. Um, very stressful time to be alive. We've dealt a rough hand with

00:28:46.520 this one. I think, yeah. How, how do we live? What do we do? I don't know, but shit. What was

00:28:52.920 I going to say about COVID specifically? Hang on. I didn't realize that you were dealing with

00:28:57.960 lingering fatigue from COVID. Cause I had that for a few weeks after I had COVID.

00:29:01.680 i don't even know if i am okay yeah but that's interesting that people with depression are

00:29:07.480 experiencing maybe this other side of it because they're already prone implications of covid right

00:29:13.880 are like vast and not yet understood you know i mean oh god we started this documentary last

00:29:21.180 night triplets have you seen it no oh wait it's not called triplets it's called anyway whatever

00:29:27.560 Once you watch it, we can discuss on Poog.

00:29:29.200 It's called Three Identical Strangers, I think.

00:29:32.500 Oh, I saw that.

00:29:33.040 Yeah.

00:29:33.600 I'm not disappointed.

00:29:35.140 What were you expecting?

00:29:36.440 Wait, is that the one where the twins, I'm just going to reveal it.

00:29:39.720 Yeah.

00:29:40.080 I think I watched it on a plane.

00:29:41.480 People were talking about it.

00:29:42.540 It's a thing.

00:29:43.100 Everyone just built it up.

00:29:43.920 And then I watched it.

00:29:44.520 I went, eh.

00:29:45.580 Yeah, it hadn't been built up to me.

00:29:47.140 I just saw that it was about triplets and instantly flew in.

00:29:50.900 All right, let me pull my energy together.

00:29:52.640 Hold on.

00:29:53.240 Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:29:54.520 Wait, but I wanted to tell you originally something I read about jet lag

00:29:57.540 okay that we're all going to research do you want to know what it is yes all right because you

00:30:02.060 haven't heard it before if you haven't mentioned it so i keep reading this this guy's uh neuro

00:30:06.920 hacking stuff on instagram and the latest is this whole thing about jet lag it involves finding out

00:30:12.380 what your lowest temperature is during the day and apparently this is supposed to happen in the

00:30:16.760 middle of the night or 4 a.m something like this i don't have it right but i'm going to give you

00:30:20.100 enough so it locks in your brain okay future research you randomly take your own temperature

00:30:25.680 and you find what you're like, I forget what he calls it,

00:30:27.880 the set point or something, whatever your lowest point is.

00:30:31.140 And circadian rhythm-wise, that point,

00:30:34.260 it's something like four hours later is when you want to jam, jam, okay,

00:30:37.800 with the sunlight, a big meal, and like forceful exercise or some order, okay?

00:30:43.400 After the lowest point.

00:30:44.960 It's like circadian rhythm-wise, that coldest point is almost like the reset

00:30:50.260 or the whatever in the rhythm.

00:30:51.620 so you somehow you identify that what that is i don't know i don't know that's all i got but it

00:30:58.500 seems huge that sounds huge i mean have you ever taken your temperature for anything other than you

00:31:02.960 know terror and absolutely not absolutely not i have no i have no skincare with me i've just

00:31:11.300 failed what do you mean i have almost no skincare with me and over the last i haven't had a cleanser

00:31:16.580 and i refuse to buy a bad one shocking so instead i've just been oiling up at night and sort of

00:31:20.580 going to sleep or oiling up and then kind of like so there you go you're oiling up yeah but it's not

00:31:25.200 really one that's meant to roll off but i'm oiling up i oh yeah i got i went down a gentle spiral

00:31:33.100 last night thinking about tampons and all that you've done to yourself using them well because

00:31:38.540 it's like you know i don't know when this was two years ago i start hearing you gotta we really need

00:31:44.180 to be focusing on using organic tampons because the inorganic cotton is like bleached to help 0.90

00:31:51.460 the chemicals and all of that yeah but then I saw some bastard talking on the internet about how

00:31:56.660 so I've just been kind of living in this world of like well if they're organic like that's good 0.87

00:32:00.500 right and then now if I have like a I'm desperate or there's like a I'm digging under a tampon and

00:32:04.960 I have like an old Tampax pearl yeah an old classic that like now looks like oh yeah that

00:32:11.460 candy like now it looks so comically yeah plasticine not that i ever got fragrance tampons

00:32:17.080 but they're just like it looks like why would i ever put this inside my body like this is crazy

00:32:21.100 and so i've been living in this world of organic and we're good and then i heard about i think it's

00:32:26.440 titanium dioxide which a lot of these organic tampon companies have which is like and again

00:32:32.980 not a doctor look it up yourself but it's but like another carcinogen or something no yeah it's that

00:32:39.000 it's like um it's a peg or whatever you know like the pg whenever you see those yeah egg free and

00:32:44.760 it's to die it's to keep the cotton white essentially and it's just preservative i guess

00:32:49.500 it's illegal i mean literally if you're the organic people i just i'm humiliated for brands

00:32:55.700 it's crazy what what do you think you're out running and it's like we can't do that

00:32:59.720 that it's like illegal like you think you're gonna outrun that information we don't care if 0.54

00:33:05.440 it's white. I know. Well, the S of course we don't, but they, but, but this, and I guess 0.97

00:33:13.100 this titanium dioxide is like, of course, like America is the only country that will like

00:33:17.980 legally allow it to be like, like it's something that's, we can't have it in food. Like, I don't,

00:33:23.040 I don't know. I don't know. But so look at the backyard tampons. I'll, I'll figure out,

00:33:26.560 I'll got to find, I mean, I don't know. I got to find the brands that are good. I guess seventh

00:33:29.840 generation is supposed to be good do we know that they don't have to tinium dioxide i guess yeah i

00:33:36.880 guess everything prefaced and concluded with i guess but look it up it's terrifying and i just 1.00

00:33:41.760 you know it's like oh yeah just the years of soaking pure toxins yeah into the fucking vagina 1.00

00:33:47.440 taking it like a i mean if you think about people filling a tampon with booze in order to get drunk 1.00

00:33:52.120 that shit right like sticking something or is it is it in the or do they stick it in the anus i 1.00

00:33:57.380 can't remember but it's it's ass it is it right it's a tampon up the ass to like quietly get drunk 1.00

00:34:02.340 or whatever but uh but like but like the idea of us doing that yeah and go to a dave theater yeah 0.99

00:34:10.760 yeah i mean

00:34:14.340 no this is why you you must rage this is why you must bring joy to the day because um the product

00:34:23.320 we are killing ourselves with our products and oh and again the the world of the worlds of

00:34:30.120 cleaning products again came to the surface for me with cleaning products that's that's happened

00:34:34.360 now i just got a little you know i had i had some windex and i you know use the windex a couple 0.89

00:34:40.040 times went fuck that's good but at what cost you're like oh it works it's like i told you 0.97

00:34:45.380 when i had the dawn dish yeah the revelation yeah fucking soaring and even the smell was 0.99

00:34:52.340 yeah you know they're not all the same yeah horny yeah i was like whoa well the trustworthy 0.98

00:34:58.660 the factory got it right yeah those freak scientists got in there and they made something

00:35:04.140 that works yeah well or they they prepared three formulas and they said so this one works the best

00:35:10.340 um but it is you know it's toxic and did it uh yes this would be under the end you will be dead

00:35:14.820 at 40 yeah they give the three options and um and then the product developer says we'll go with

00:35:21.500 number one um anyway makeup makeup's great um i uh but i've been cleansing but i've been not

00:35:31.400 cleansing you've been oil cleansing no not even truly like i've basically just given up on that

00:35:36.240 even the rinse moment and i'm just sort of like it's oiling and let me guess your skin's never

00:35:40.020 been better well i mean you know we love to like have like something unexpected be that it was

00:35:44.080 never been better and i but i was looking in the mirror last night and i was like hmm and i felt

00:35:48.280 like the pores maybe were never so invisible like uh maybe maybe we don't need to be like

00:35:53.560 emptying our pores so aggressively well you've heard that idea that there's supposed to be some 0.94

00:35:58.520 sebum there oh yeah fuck yeah yeah over washing is real over exfoliating is real have you dipped 0.93

00:36:04.200 into because this is again the classic thing that i've done my whole life saving things like i've 0.99

00:36:08.180 well i've been using the ion cleanser and i really like it but my my barbara stern cleanser fucking

00:36:14.100 love it i mean i've used it up i haven't gone near the night drops because i've been saving it

00:36:20.360 i should just start using it did you ever use it um the stern is waiting because it took a while

00:36:26.360 for stern to cave and so it's not it's not getting used first yeah i don't know so so it's there's an

00:36:32.740 order of things like i was like you know i'm gonna do i'm gonna take the stern to new york

00:36:37.040 that's gonna be like my you're i have this so funny what you're so funny because you're like

00:36:41.920 almost like, because what, because also particularly with anti-aging products,

00:36:47.520 Hannah, don't wait.

00:36:51.600 When you, oh my God, this is actually, see how I perk up here? Because remember on a recent

00:36:56.440 episode, I was talking about vitamin C and then you're like, Dennis Gross sent us a whole vitamin

00:37:00.060 C line. Guess who's using it? Me. Oh my God. Full regimen. I'm into it. And there's something

00:37:05.880 about the clarity of a line of going, it really is fucking comforting. And I have to say, I haven't 0.92

00:37:11.820 use it for a couple days but the vitamin c serum of course i was like i see i was like i see results

00:37:17.240 i was like i see smoothing of the overall appearance yeah brightening i know i was

00:37:22.260 getting excited and they sent us god bless them never forget to bless it is the serum

00:37:28.480 the freaking like lightweight moisturizer the eye cream and i think the heavy moisturizer i've been

00:37:35.100 using the eye cream the serum and the lightweight moisturizer because it's so hot out and just

00:37:40.760 again i'll say it for the 18th time the clarity of a line and i'm thinking i'm just going to take

00:37:44.260 that line maybe take the stern night serum well for travel committing to a line has has a there's

00:37:52.720 a there's a there's a piece to that grabbing a kit i'll grab a travel travel kit i've you know

00:37:57.680 i've done it i've done it i had a sample my last sephora visit i had a got to choose my birthday

00:38:03.280 gift which is always the same time of year and it was the tatcha yeah little baby moisturizer and

00:38:09.560 cleanser which of course by the way i looked in the in the in the little cabinet from hell

00:38:14.520 it's not from hell it's great so i looked in my little thing which one do you want

00:38:17.760 it just it was all like knocked over and dirty i was like the acrylic thing that shows what is

00:38:22.740 of the month exactly yeah at sephora and it was a laura mercier little palette thing with it and

00:38:29.780 i went i'll take that yeah i'm fully rung up i've paid i go i want to switch to the tasha

00:38:34.940 and then and then i mean and those were both under this they were both options they weren't

00:38:42.060 point levels they were birthday right yeah they're both options but i switched and i had

00:38:46.540 so much shame so that's like they could just swap that in that's not like gonna be nothing

00:38:50.960 that should be nothing god well i went oh god is it okay if i switch to the tatcha i'm so sorry i

00:38:56.620 just and she goes of course she's but then she proceeds to she has to no ring it yeah no then 0.93

00:39:03.100 she takes out the thing she has to then and then I was like well now I really feel like an asshole 0.88

00:39:06.340 I was like oh god uh-huh anyway it was a brief moment where I thought I still had the Laura 0.87

00:39:10.440 Mercier and I walked out calmly thinking wait did she forget to no she didn't forget I only

00:39:16.280 got the touch it right you didn't see her remove the other one you thought you were getting away

00:39:19.720 the cleansing milk I like interesting but the but the moisturizer is in this little jar

00:39:25.000 it is purple in a way that I'm like well this is only looks like dye to me unless it's unless it's

00:39:30.860 I mean, one of the ingredients is not like blue tansy or something.

00:39:33.620 We got to look it up.

00:39:34.360 I think at this point, the brands need to recognize that we are sophisticated enough

00:39:38.960 to tolerate the color of the product not being related to the branding.

00:39:43.120 Yes, exactly.

00:39:45.360 Seriously, we can handle it.

00:39:48.020 Ingredients.

00:39:48.620 Here we go, folks.

00:39:49.400 And I'm furious and humiliated for any of these brands that are half-assing this organic thing.

00:39:55.260 Yeah, honey.

00:39:55.860 Violet number two.

00:39:57.700 And what has it gotten it?

00:39:58.880 I don't need the cream to be violet.

00:40:01.560 No, right.

00:40:02.100 But is it, is there something, is it, is there violet oil or anything?

00:40:06.020 Just want to make sure it's not the best version of things.

00:40:09.120 Literally nothing.

00:40:10.280 No.

00:40:11.600 And by the way, there's fragrance in it, which we know is not good, but it says violet too,

00:40:16.200 which I, and the cream is violet.

00:40:18.060 I do feel a bit humiliated when I take what's supposed to be a high-end beauty product.

00:40:22.980 I mean, I take a high-end beauty product, I squirt it out, I smell all sorts of floral.

00:40:28.580 i'm going what am i am i putting perfume on my face or am i here for results because something

00:40:34.080 tells me perfume yeah doesn't inherently have a positive effect on my skin when i'm here and i'm

00:40:39.920 paying for these actives okay what do you see i have a huge announcement which i guess technically

00:40:45.300 this product is labeled clean at sephora which really goes to show the clean at sephora thing

00:40:49.620 i think is ultimately meaningless because there is fragrance in it so it's like and you know as

00:40:54.380 we know something says perfume perfume fragrance there's like over like that can be anything like 0.97

00:40:59.660 legally they can put so many things in there and just call it fragrance pig's assholes like yeah 0.99

00:41:04.140 pig's asshole class is really labeled as fragrance yeah but i guess there is japanese purple rice in 0.99

00:41:09.360 this so they say but i'm looking at the ingredients list and uh okay i'm seeing a rice ferment close 0.99

00:41:16.360 to the top but i'm seeing violet i think it's i would suggest that you google yep what makes violet

00:41:23.140 see tatcha cream purple someone's someone's asked and i want to know

00:41:29.460 i don't see anyone talking about it and i don't have the ability to go deep on reddit all right

00:41:38.280 i'll research it in the night i'll lay there research it in the night i downloaded an app

00:41:41.960 called stoic by the way stoic didn't even remember downloading it and i like i like purchased like

00:41:48.160 the yearly like kit for like tons of money like when i'm seeking mental health via apps you know

00:41:54.100 like i'm rabid you know and so i was just like yeah i downloaded this thing called stoic it's

00:41:58.300 kind of interesting it has oh it's funny it had a negative visualization was one of his first

00:42:01.940 exercises where they're like which is what like they're like so stoics believe you know being

00:42:08.200 prepared for all scenarios i mean coming down to the idea like ultimately like it's not what

00:42:12.580 happens to you in your life it's you know how you react to it whatever right right and you know

00:42:17.360 you cannot blame your emotions on external events kind of thing.

00:42:20.440 Take responsibility for it, that sort of thing.

00:42:22.180 And so then the whole, like, the negative visualization thing

00:42:25.440 is instead of, like, going into events with, like,

00:42:27.460 hoping for this one specific thing, blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:42:29.400 and then feeling devastated when it doesn't,

00:42:31.980 it's this sort of prepare for the infinite many options

00:42:36.600 of the ways things can go.

00:42:38.500 And this is literally negative visualization,

00:42:40.700 like you're picturing a thing, you're picturing a thing,

00:42:42.020 what's the worst that could happen kind of thing,

00:42:43.200 which, you know, we've all, what's the worst that could happen,

00:42:46.000 which can be really helpful like okay oh yeah that happens well you know oh it's it's a wild

00:42:51.840 you know uh non-failure you know everyone thinks i'm a loser you know hates me and says like get

00:42:59.480 out of town whatever and then you're like all right well then i go to a new town like i don't

00:43:03.940 know like completely what's the worst gonna happen can be very freeing completely freeing and it's a

00:43:08.700 classic um ocd technique right a lot of therapists exactly yeah that's why you have to be careful the

00:43:14.140 kind of therapy you're doing if you have ocd because a lot of people will be like soothe

00:43:17.620 yourself in the moment what are breathing techniques how can you calm down it's like

00:43:20.440 actually no what you should do is go to the logical conclusion what's the worst thing that

00:43:23.600 could happen really face it and immerse yourself in it which is like so often sometimes i do that

00:43:27.600 and i go what's the worst thing that could happen i die okay yeah it's just a life like like it's

00:43:32.700 like i had yeah it's just no no it's it's resisting it's resist it's the resistance it's

00:43:37.040 the bracing it's the i mean i did that like like you can also make i mean it's like your own

00:43:41.640 boundaries between yourself and life itself right which is like I last night woke up with some with

00:43:46.340 some anxiety around 4 a.m I felt I was so tired I fell asleep at 10 woke up at 4 and I just had

00:43:53.260 this lingering kind of anxiety thing I was like uh-oh and then oftentimes this is the imagery

00:43:57.860 that will pop up if I'm awake in the middle of the night with anxiety okay I just visualize an

00:44:02.040 earthquake that's interesting like I just wake up and I'm like and there have been periods where

00:44:06.440 that happens a lot where I wake up and I'm like oh my god just imagining the horror of the whole

00:44:11.520 house just like being thrown upside down with me inside and how old's your house pretty old right

00:44:17.640 oh my god truly built in 1913 so it was stood it's comforting right no no it stood it stood

00:44:24.880 but it's more just like the big one right it's like the catastrophic earthquake fear

00:44:28.500 but yeah and then i was like imagining i was like oh i was like i used to sleep with tennis

00:44:33.780 shoes under my bed you're supposed to i was like those are gone you know and what is that what is

00:44:38.220 about so you can like book it to the mountains oh yes so a lot of people one of the main injuries

00:44:42.960 people sustain during earthquakes is like they run on broken glass or whatever it's like so you

00:44:49.580 gotta have tennis shoes under your bed so you can put them on you can run you really do say tennis

00:44:54.200 shoes that's wild what you really do say tennis shoes don't you instead of sneakers yeah or or

00:45:00.840 anything that either maybe that is one i had like a joke about like that thing when i like so like

00:45:08.340 in like when i was like you know 21 or whatever but like but it's interesting because it to me

00:45:13.360 it was an example of like a thing i don't say that i hear other people say and feel like tennis

00:45:16.980 shoes huh like what does it sound like you're living in a different world it sounds kind of

00:45:22.340 like well it sounds almost a little bit like what i imagine your mother a little upper crust because

00:45:27.980 it's the only sneaker they can imagine wearing is the one they they um play tennis in right right

00:45:34.220 meanwhile i don't know like i haven't barely hit a ball in my life yeah yeah there's tennis i mean

00:45:39.120 it's like a tennis bracelet you ever have a tennis bracelet well that's like market i've been called

00:45:43.120 out which i've said i'm poog that i call the grocery store the market oh right sure that

00:45:48.120 makes sense though like i'm going to the market like three little piggy or you know went to the

00:45:53.200 market first little piggy i don't yeah i went to market one of my favorites

00:45:58.520 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many

00:46:08.340 a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:46:15.400 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs so no i am not

00:46:21.820 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:46:29.100 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:46:31.860 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:46:40.940 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

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00:48:03.300 Hello, it's me,

00:48:04.860 Anna Sinfield from The Girlfriends,

00:48:06.760 the number one hit true crime 1.00

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00:48:13.220 I'm back with more

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00:49:08.060 The search for food has been interesting.

00:49:09.840 oh my god i forgot about edinburgh and the food it's been very interesting and i'll tell you

00:49:16.740 it's abysmal it's it's challenging and interesting okay because where's my place

00:49:21.460 oh you're looking for the place you loved like your scone and butter spot it wasn't yours called

00:49:27.720 like nine nine kite that's what i hear i thought it was called elliot's 43 and it was like not

00:49:34.680 just like good for edinburgh it was like it was a yeah fantastic little restaurant well chef gordon

00:49:41.380 ramsey apparently just sort of opened a restaurant here and um no but but here's the issue is i'm not

00:49:46.700 doing any indoor dining trying to you know stay stay healthy during these runs none of us want

00:49:51.120 to get sick so i'm not doing indoor dining which changes my life completely in a run context to me

00:49:57.280 you know dining immediately after a show is life itself it's the only reason to do the show

00:50:05.140 i mean to be headed after the show i mean there comes a point where if i can remember i train

00:50:10.160 myself to like at some point in the show remember the dinner's coming okay it really helps me really

00:50:15.400 i'll be at dinner soon but there's not like been a ton of options and it's a bit chilly

00:50:20.100 so i've been ordering i'm over i'm over i'm gonna make it official it's called elliott's now i guess

00:50:25.920 It's just called Elliot's.

00:50:28.260 Because wasn't it something to do with the address?

00:50:30.140 Like it was Elliot's 49 Roosting, Edinburgh.

00:50:32.100 Yeah, yeah, but like really special food.

00:50:35.220 Okay, anyway.

00:50:36.460 Well, maybe, but I bet there's no outdoor

00:50:38.740 because that was just a little tiny whatever.

00:50:41.440 Yeah, it was very tiny.

00:50:42.140 But are you ready for this?

00:50:42.960 There's a place I want to go to.

00:50:45.060 I mean, this is the stuff that calls to me.

00:50:47.780 It's called like Sheep's Hide.

00:50:50.100 Guess how old it is.

00:50:53.040 And I don't, I'm not one of these guest people.

00:50:54.800 so just throw throw a number out there guess how old this bar is oh how old the bar is you know

00:50:59.500 600 years i don't know yep no yes actually six yes yes okay so i was hoping you were gonna not

00:51:07.720 only my psychic because i had a feeling you would naturally say 600 because it's just like

00:51:12.140 outlandish outlandish and the kind of thing we would say because we that's like a good 0.87

00:51:16.560 exaggeration because most shit is not 600 years old because that would land us in like 13 you know 0.89

00:51:22.600 whatever right that's thrilling okay and it literally is that's when you really feel america 0.98

00:51:28.720 is such a like barely held together tin can that's four years old and it's like very proud of itself

00:51:34.840 wow like very like no and so i'm very very interested in going it's always funny when

00:51:42.020 those places like they've been around so long like you look at the decor and it's like there's

00:51:46.080 some stuff in there that's like unapologetically modern and it's like because or not even modern

00:51:50.760 but just like I'm like get that out of there right like I'm like I'm like there should be

00:51:53.900 nothing in here and that's not made of like stone yeah but they also know something we don't which

00:51:58.600 is like yeah we're not a joke like like we're actually old and we're passing through we're

00:52:05.240 passing through like yeah let me yeah I'm going to this isn't about costuming this place so that

00:52:11.280 you can have your little experience of right you know history it's like we're here and that's it

00:52:16.420 And so it's that which remains shall remain.

00:52:20.660 And that which is like, I don't know.

00:52:22.000 It's like, it's always interesting to me when they don't lean into that

00:52:25.660 history in the way they're also, there's also a cannon that goes off.

00:52:28.920 And I think that one's also been going off like, Oh,

00:52:31.240 I remember that place every day at one, every day at one, what place?

00:52:35.980 The castle.

00:52:37.040 Yeah.

00:52:37.480 But the head of the cannon that goes off.

00:52:39.100 Yeah.

00:52:39.300 Yeah.

00:52:39.480 And it goes off every day at one.

00:52:41.080 Read it today.

00:52:42.260 It was pretty exciting.

00:52:43.240 can you imagine having that level of continuity with literally anything in a system well i'll

00:52:49.780 never forget like i think 600 years or something or longer they've done it every day as we all

00:52:54.100 remember there was a moment that's now a little bit that i fell off but when i was really doing

00:52:59.000 work in the morning so i was starting to work on this show my my new live show i was waking up

00:53:04.060 really early to write on it and i was going into my new office right like the office that i made

00:53:08.340 my house and i was sitting down and i had never there was a church bell oh right that was like

00:53:16.360 7 a.m or no it must have been 8 a.m and i'd never heard it because i'd never and this is making it

00:53:21.520 sound like my house was huge it's absolutely not it's like but just like being like my bedroom in

00:53:26.620 the bathroom it's like just walking like i was somehow in this new corner of the house at 8 a.m

00:53:30.620 much where i had never been and i could hear distantly and i was transport i was suddenly 0.72

00:53:38.760 i mean i was virginia well fucks it was like completely and then hearing just the the the 0.51

00:53:44.860 birds with the church bell i mean i was instant novel 0.92

00:53:49.080 and then it goes yeah that's what i was doing i mean i was doing a high pitch but yeah

00:53:57.380 those telling time by that as you said having that kind of continuity in one's life

00:54:01.740 i mean that's the sad thing that's what we really want that's what we really that's what we're built

00:54:05.880 for i was saying not continuity in one's life not that i get to experience the canon every day at 0.53

00:54:10.660 one i'm saying the fact that that castle however the fuck okay they're active military things since

00:54:15.820 like in 900 or whatever you're 900 i have to check because i started watching great british 0.75

00:54:20.840 castles last night chris cued it up in a pinch knowing i would my mood would fly sky high when

00:54:26.980 he queued up the edinburgh you know edinburgh um episode i was like oh and and they show it and

00:54:33.760 it's like they've shot that canon every day for like a thousand years or something and it's like

00:54:37.920 i have to get the detail but like how did they not miss a day how did they not miss a decade

00:54:42.940 that's group effort that's that requires group effort that that i know what's a day that would

00:54:51.060 have thrown them off i mean i guess you've got the big ones 9 11 that was the first thing i

00:54:56.940 thought like i was just for whatever reason just imagining it as though that would throw them off

00:55:00.440 when they've been doing in a thousand years like through the they've been doing it through their

00:55:04.180 multiple invasions like that castle apparently is the most besieged castle uh like in europe or

00:55:09.260 something maybe it's just in the uk i forget but maybe it's one of the biggest ones in the world

00:55:12.640 you know it's up on that cliff and it's like and and people have tried to take it boy have they

00:55:18.100 tried to take that like there were like three massive ones and i mean talk about being inside

00:55:24.960 of a novel just to stare at the stones of a there's you know there's a little pizza shop

00:55:30.480 by where we were eating outside in this one area where you have a perfect view of the castle right

00:55:35.140 and then and or there's this like shop there and it's like we're taking a photo of the thing

00:55:39.780 and the there's a shop and they've got like this old stone looking facade whatever of their kind 0.96

00:55:45.700 of restaurant and then the font is just like some modern hell oh swirly fucking they are the one

00:55:53.960 restaurant in the entire like area that has the most perfect photo opportunity to be like look

00:56:01.800 like you you go to a restaurant you're staring at the castle it's immense you're seeing it

00:56:05.980 perfectly and they've opted for just a modern hell font why i don't understand

00:56:14.180 i guess there's someone at the helm who is not sensitive

00:56:18.680 it's the only way i'm going to be researching i want to get the the woods around here and the

00:56:26.940 path and the park and the whole thing it's absolute ecstasy and i want to get into it and i want to

00:56:30.240 read about specifically like i want to be if anyone has any recommendations for sort of scottish

00:56:36.560 fairies you know elementals in the wood kind of novel oh i love fairies you know that those

00:56:47.280 forests are filled with fairies you walk through them they're filled it's it's it's it's you don't

00:56:52.700 even have to know anything to know it it's it's like it's like the the wind through the trees 1.00

00:56:56.260 it's laughable it's the most magical feeling forest walks i've been doing and i want to i

00:57:02.840 want to nurture it will you take some post some some edinburgh photos on the poop gram i will i

00:57:10.300 will well i am gonna go ice roll my face i'm experiencing some puffiness i just did tracy

00:57:18.460 on a mat in an airbnb so that's a beginner oh that's how i'm managing this is the announcement

00:57:24.260 just steamroll over your accomplishment please i did melissa wood i did floor pilates for the

00:57:30.460 first time in 4 000 years oh yeah this last week i'd say i think i did it three days in a row wow

00:57:35.100 and some days i only could do one day i did 10 minutes 15 there it is you should i think the

00:57:41.800 longest one did was 22 minutes the other day i was literally craving it it happened

00:57:46.900 oh wow where i was like just do this work craving the movement like like stunned and i have to say

00:57:54.200 that even i'm just i i don't want to overly announce i'm back folks but right jesus christ

00:58:00.740 even just if all i can commit to is the 10 minutes all i can commit to but you just reminded me like

00:58:06.440 well i should do that today well the showing up the getting on the mat whatever you do once you're

00:58:11.980 there i'm so sorry you hold that no greater hell than someone being like just commit show up to

00:58:16.960 yourself for the exercise like you know trigger town but no no there is no just whatever it's

00:58:23.560 like it's like it's it's i mean the good thing about i mean you can say it like and you can say

00:58:27.420 like you should do it and whatever and whatever to anyone and that's like good and it might work

00:58:30.940 on that given day to the person but ultimately like you know they've shown it themselves if they

00:58:35.840 do i need melissa wood to reach out because i i think i told you because i dm'd her once like

00:58:42.820 during pandemic when i was really doing big fan looking to try a little bit more of the library

00:58:47.260 i didn't even ask because by the way it's affordable it's like ten dollars a month for

00:58:50.900 the full library and i said to her all right dm'd her i was like i'm loving your tapes thank you for

00:58:55.320 guiding me to this hard time i was like yeah i i can i used her language to speak to her yes of

00:59:00.720 course which is something it's just interesting when we do that to people is it seduction is it

00:59:04.020 is it and is it success it's i think it's like one of the basic tenets of scientology or something

00:59:09.860 like originally in the 70s mirror back the language they come in they're like they're

00:59:14.400 like i'm looking for a little help they're like we're interested in offering you a little help

00:59:18.040 which is like something like that so i was like yeah i was like thank you for letting me

00:59:24.220 come into my body today. I didn't want to show up for myself, but I did. Like I completely

00:59:29.700 used her language in response, needless to say. I also, yeah. Sometimes you think you're going

00:59:36.580 to seduce them using their language, but of course, surprise, surprise, what do they crave

00:59:40.600 above all? The opposite of their language. Oh, completely. It's like, oh, I've just made myself 0.95

00:59:45.800 into a mirror of you and you're waiting to be embraced. Surprise, surprise, everyone hates

00:59:50.440 themselves out the door you go and then you return to the self going you know where was she

01:00:00.660 well it's time to up the lipospheric vitamin c i'm gonna push fluids today because i gotta just

01:00:06.200 although again it's like what immunity i mean we have to believe the question of immunity could

01:00:11.100 help with covid but i mean i'm on my fend i told you i've gotten more fends i squinch squinch squinch

01:00:17.320 um before leaving the house little spritzers didn't you order a bunch did you forget i forgot

01:00:24.700 i'm gonna order a travel one now you think so yeah they're not traveling they're just the new

01:00:27.880 format then they're smaller that's what i mean okay um and then yeah i'm i'm so bored by c

01:00:36.220 and the question of immunity i'm so bored by the question of immunity and vitamin c

01:00:40.180 because like you know you see one headline that's just like doing a lot of lemons it wasn't vitamin

01:00:44.960 and see folks well if you're doing your lemon drink and by the way people people are doing it

01:00:48.140 and by the way i haven't this week because i thought i would wait to see if there was a blender

01:00:52.600 here i know but if i thought we talked about you know that was the whole point was anywhere i go i

01:00:57.300 do it trust me i already was like well i've got my little travel vitamix am i gonna ship that with

01:01:04.540 my with myself to new york you know i decided i was gonna bring ag1 um on the road packed two

01:01:11.680 bottles like the bottles that you mix it in going like i'll use the bespoke ag1 specific bottle

01:01:16.380 versus like try to make do i'll just go for it and put like two huge things in there then decided 0.59

01:01:21.860 oh fuck it i'm not going to do it i'll find another way remove them from my bag left the 0.87

01:01:25.680 bottles bottles took up space in my checked luggage when there was no ag but you remove the 0.99

01:01:31.760 bottles but you have the powder i have only the bottles oh it's really it's a really a compelling

01:01:39.360 tale of um oh and i've also been this isn't really relevant but i've been carrying around 0.68

01:01:44.660 and photographing this little version of myself that a poog listener once made oh yeah that's a 0.98

01:01:49.240 classic and it's been huge well i'm gonna do the um just to remind everyone the fend which they did 1.00

01:01:55.460 send a million years ago like early early poog days yeah but it's a airway hygiene you inhale it 0.88

01:02:01.220 you know it's funny it was a top 10 time magazine something invention or something of some year 0.54

01:02:08.500 website they go backed by 20 years of harvard research oh yeah oh yeah best invention 2020

01:02:17.220 time magazine world changing idea 2021 wow it lines it lines the with micro particles the

01:02:25.440 airways and makes it um harder for like you know the particles to to get lodged there and then i

01:02:34.280 think it makes it harder for them to even then be sent out so you actually make yourself less

01:02:38.960 contagious to other people when you're when you have it isn't that interesting that's crazy and

01:02:44.480 so obviously here on the website they're too scared to talk about covid right they don't

01:02:49.120 want to make claims yeah i think they're too scared to be like this could defend you against

01:02:52.840 covid but that's the idea right well it certainly applies but i've been eating kebab uh i've been

01:03:01.020 eating a chicken chicken kebab this with a greek salad like nightly and i lust and i've been eating

01:03:07.880 a lot of halloumi so much halloumi in this town squeak squeak squeak everything squeak squeak

01:03:14.200 squeak and um what else have i been eating a cocktail tequila a ton of lime juice all right

01:03:21.460 we should wrap it up yeah okay i just thought okay so i'm gonna buy a fend i'm gonna do it

01:03:26.760 she's making a purchase on the on the episode live purchase this is a live purchase folks

01:03:33.900 okay sorry jesus you have a great night there in scotland you have a great morning there in la

01:03:42.840 sunny la i miss it dearly i'm gonna make a smoothie and saute some chard i'm gonna get

01:03:49.440 another kebab and head off to the streets where my salesman where i bark to the crowds and scream

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01:04:50.300 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna

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01:05:16.960 You know Roald Dahl.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - August 09, 2022

It Was Never Cake

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