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00:02:35.460 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:36.960 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

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00:02:49.920 Today's topic, loosely speaking,

00:02:51.720 Mother's Rapping.

00:02:53.020 glucose incongruousness

00:02:55.680 I think the sound quality is probably fine right

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00:03:03.880 hello

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00:03:15.820 hello darkness

00:03:19.080 my old friend

00:03:20.500 my angel so um you're jet lagged yeah so just to quickly report i listen to this 1.00

00:03:30.220 gravel in my throat i was in london it was wonderful as any any of the poog hags that 1.00

00:03:35.940 were in london thank you and then i had i'll just say i know everyone's tired of hearing about how 1.00

00:03:40.720 gruesome it is to travel right now but no i i actually well i don't know google keeps serving

00:03:45.420 me the articles and i'm loving everyone i can't stop reading but he throws baggage problems well

00:03:49.700 Jacqueline exactly and Jacqueline you coached me through my packing and my bag situation remember

00:03:55.380 I was sending you I forgot I want to talk all about that actually anyway so

00:04:00.420 the point is I carried on okay and it was great it was great to carry on but here's the thing

00:04:08.260 about Heathrow and I'm just going to say this once do not be fooled folks the thing about Heathrow

00:04:13.820 that's impossible is that with the with your toiletries you can only carry 100 milliliters

00:04:18.960 of liquids and they have to all fit in this total right there's something weird they all have to fit

00:04:26.460 in this ziploc bag that they give you that is tiny right right so you cannot carry more than

00:04:30.940 so anything that doesn't fit into an eight by inch eight by eight inch bag you have to throw

00:04:35.280 into the river and i'll argue it felt like it was seven to me it felt seven it felt seven by five

00:04:40.660 so small i i i agree it feels five by four it's so small so i i made the bold decision on the way 0.97

00:04:46.580 back i was like i'm gonna just check it fuck it because i don't want to throw away you know my 0.92

00:04:50.500 my makeup you know god imagine going shopping at the garbage bag right before security i know 0.99

00:04:56.640 oh that's actually an interesting idea if you can get to the security gate make your way up there

00:05:01.460 and dig through get imagine the botter oh my god definitely full-size botter in there luminous silk

00:05:07.320 by the ton yeah and so i check it all okay i was traveling the hottest day of recorded history in

00:05:15.220 london and i love london to death but air conditioning is not a part of their culture

00:05:20.260 they haven't needed it until now due to the global collapse and so i was at the airport

00:05:26.380 and again i'll just say no one's wearing a mask right at all and i'm double masked in the and

00:05:31.280 there are pockets of the airport one of the finest demonstrations of masklessness i've seen

00:05:36.780 i know no air conditioning so it's like i'm stagnant air hot people coughing maskless into

00:05:44.200 the heat it was just anyway and their bodies are not used to heat no they're sweating they're

00:05:49.460 sweating so i found a little area by the vending machine and leaned up against the wall tucked

00:05:53.880 away thinking maybe the particles would fly past me ricochet off the corner of the machine

00:06:00.020 go on the point is my flight was delayed and delayed and then they go actually you know what

00:06:04.760 folks come back tomorrow the flight was delayed for the following day which had never happened to

00:06:10.500 me and I actually want to just give myself a second go I'm proud of myself I didn't cry yeah

00:06:15.280 I held it together I thought you know what you're gonna be okay because I was looking around watching

00:06:19.580 people traveling with like you know it is true in that environment when you see people lugging 0.98

00:06:24.040 around their kids and elderly people you're like okay I'm fine I'm just gonna get out of here 0.99

00:06:27.520 and they were like you can wait in this line to get your bag and I thought I'm abandoning it I'm

00:06:31.420 not waiting in another line so I fled I left my bag isn't that kind of bold and shocking I was

00:06:36.640 like what if i never see it again i was like you know what let it go let it burn and so let it burn

00:06:41.500 the moment that i almost lost it though was when i was exiting the airport and then it dawned on me

00:06:46.620 i was gonna have to re i was like i thought i was gonna have to go through customs and that was

00:06:50.640 again you mean yes because you already had wait so you were at the gate you're saying sorry oh

00:06:56.180 honey i was at the gate i was drinking my water oh my god i was at the gate it was delayed delayed

00:07:01.760 and then they go it's tomorrow i leave the customs moment is when i almost shattered

00:07:05.940 but i got out and it's tomorrow it's tomorrow let me just take a minute with this because

00:07:12.340 it's almost like it's an illusion they're selling you on right like this idea that your plane is

00:07:17.280 now tomorrow yeah right as though like your plane is like stopping off for the night i don't do

00:07:23.640 you know what i mean like what's actually happening i mean i guess it's literally it is that plane

00:07:26.780 hasn't come in and so well that's what's strange is they were like it's like it's a new flight

00:07:30.240 folks it's a new flight it's a new flight well no they were your same seats and they said they're

00:07:34.960 like you can pick up your bag or not i fled and then i'll just say you know had to go back the

00:07:43.480 next morning and then there was a moment where we were being bussed from the terminal to the plane

00:07:48.240 and i saw a crowd of people outside the plane i go why aren't they getting on that's interesting

00:07:52.140 no and this guy next to me goes my wife's over there i say there's another maintenance issue

00:07:55.680 they won't let them on the plane no by the way same plane so this is actually more disturbing

00:08:00.660 so it is the same plane i mean i guess that right exactly so then i so then i grow worried and i go

00:08:06.180 well this plane's gonna go down surely something's wrong with it they couldn't figure it out overnight

00:08:10.000 two issues and now we're tempting the gods by trying a third time like like you got two warnings

00:08:15.260 kate like i know the rest of those people got two warnings and will you heed courage to say

00:08:20.860 got on the plane watched adaptation watched a lot of the crown which i'm now obsessed with

00:08:27.160 and i i don't want to just say oh she goes to london and suddenly the crown is on her lips

00:08:32.820 i had already watched it you know 4 000 years ago but only a couple episodes completely taken

00:08:37.360 with it shocked floored um really oh yeah have you seen it i i i too saw a couple episodes way

00:08:44.980 back when for whatever reason john lithgow's churchill will render you oh speechless wait

00:08:50.820 yes i'm just recalling i mean for me you know i think of you when i see churchill these churchill

00:08:58.400 you know films i go for them okay i i just i yeah there's something about a rendition of

00:09:07.320 when there's one that doesn't look like him oh yeah gary god it's shocking you ever see those

00:09:12.860 because they're like they're out there boys who did the big prosthetic oh wait for for churchill

00:09:18.960 who won all the oscars gary oldman that can't be right yeah yeah it is right right and then

00:09:26.760 always as we as we continue to struggle with the the question the fundamental question of

00:09:31.560 prosthetics is it cheating and the answer is yes i don't need the the obsession with actors morphing

00:09:37.780 fully into the characters they're playing is one of the most embarrassing limits of the imagination

00:09:43.300 I've ever seen in contemporary culture. That has occurred thanks to film and television

00:09:48.540 exclusively. Have you heard of the stage? Okay. Have you heard of actors? Yeah. Have you heard

00:09:54.320 of acting? Well, this is why I'm, as you know, and I'm sure I've said it before, completely against

00:09:58.400 children acting. We don't need them. We can play them. This is an adult endeavor. This is an adult

00:10:03.600 endeavor to use the imagination and our gifts to create a scene why the hell is there a live child

00:10:09.100 on stage i agree it's abusive and it's okay there's no need they're not and i've got an

00:10:14.760 ugly one i'm gonna are you ready for this one here we go they're not artists well of course

00:10:19.120 not and that's what's that's why it feels like that's why it is abuse they go that kid can really

00:10:23.020 act they go because children are closest to the dream state of the womb like the children aren't

00:10:28.600 a dream state creativity they they're still knee-deep in subconscious they don't have

00:10:33.660 creativity to access they are creativity yeah they are they are that so it's literal and thus

00:10:39.800 i'm not impressed well like i'm not impressed that something that just popped out of god's

00:10:45.740 you know hand is still connected to higher source like you have to grow into the the hellish

00:10:52.620 limitations of consciousness in order to what's that it's my phone oh you have to

00:11:00.980 bake and solidify for then it to be meaningful to crack through right yeah like as to be an

00:11:07.900 artist in other words like like no i do not celebrate even people in their early 20s it's

00:11:13.900 like questionable right there even that old masters all the way okay yeah call me when you've hit 40

00:11:21.260 it's a little repulsive technically yeah call me when when i can see that like you've begun to die

00:11:27.440 yeah like like i mean like in the sense of dying since the day we're born of course

00:11:32.100 but when your own patterns have solidified as you say so intensely that you have something to

00:11:35.800 actually break out of and access you have a well of pain and experience to push away and lean into

00:11:41.160 yes no but people the fact that people aren't prosecuted for putting children in cinema is

00:11:48.160 shocking and then to applaud them the whole thing and then no no no but I want to stay with this

00:11:53.000 because I'm not done I like it he really likes it yeah oh yeah I'm sure he does you know what I

00:11:59.020 mean it's like a child he doesn't want to be at school yeah I'm sure he does yeah and and he likes

00:12:06.680 being applauded and he likes I just Leo started what happened to it what happened to what acting

00:12:11.680 is what happened to what acting is yeah no i want to see a movie like well realism in film

00:12:19.520 has it gone too far right yeah realism is of no interest like are we trying to pretend it's a

00:12:26.040 documentary what's going on well i mean i just i woke up screaming authenticity through artifice

00:12:31.300 is the only there is okay i woke up screaming it this morning and immediately thought of you like

00:12:35.320 jack i was like authenticity is false yeah well this is my i actually i can't even talk about

00:12:40.320 this on Pooh because it's too it's actually too close it would be as if I were showing pictures 0.88

00:12:46.680 of my full labia on the Instagram it's too intimate minor and major it's pornographically 0.92

00:12:52.940 personal I can't talk about artifice today and and the and the fact that it is the no no actually

00:12:58.200 actually we actually have to leave artifice behind no because it's the only truth no but

00:13:02.400 I was gonna say what you just said about I'll just say I believe it was Stella Adler who said

00:13:07.300 yeah clearly imagination is more important than experience right this kind of idea that people

00:13:22.380 like well i have to tap into my to go there i have to tap into the moment that i realized

00:13:26.500 that when i saw mommy sitting kissing right no but like imagine i was imagining that as a real 0.94

00:13:33.860 memory watching your mom get fucked by santa let's talk about it because it's always been 0.81

00:13:40.040 i've never made peace with it what is that i saw mommy kissing santa claus right it's like well 0.98

00:13:45.380 first of all leave her alone to me it's it's like so if you think it's santa yeah i never saw it

00:13:51.240 quite a because they say mama's kissing mama i think that the cute idea is that is that the

00:13:57.000 the boy child okay yes it's daddy okay i didn't know that until just now well i'm pretty sure i

00:14:04.020 mean i i think and so i'm thinking back on it everyone knows the mother is the real santa

00:14:08.540 have you ever seen well yeah mommy i mean have you ever seen a mom father wrap a gift yeah have

00:14:15.260 you ever seen a father buckle under the weight of ribbon and oh no just groaning mommy does it

00:14:23.220 just whipped about in the storm of a ribbon uh can't even peel a sticker off the bottom of a

00:14:29.200 pre-made ribbon yeah well and that and then this is so classic ready ready the charm this is they

00:14:34.920 get extra points okay for their badly written the badly wrapped present from man yeah totally okay

00:14:42.660 yeah from you know it's like look he did it you know what i mean it's yeah but don't worry he

00:14:48.160 hasn't fully become feminized to the point of utter desexualization don't fear not worry yeah

00:14:53.600 yeah then you know mother's rapping becomes invisible the gorgeous rap becomes invisible 0.52

00:15:00.660 because it's taken for granted my mom doesn't listen to poog not out of hatred hatred of me

00:15:07.560 it's almost like refreshing because i know that she's you know obsessed with me but she doesn't 0.55

00:15:12.640 she just can't do it it's like kind of like yeah maybe i mean she has not listened to any of it

00:15:17.520 But I just was going to say she won't hear this, but in case she does, I just want to take a second, Mom, to say your wrapping, your gift wrapping is one of the most exquisite things I've ever seen.

00:15:26.340 And I'll never be able to do it.

00:15:30.720 And I'm OK with that.

00:15:31.720 I'm OK to live in the shadow.

00:15:33.380 Oh, let mother.

00:15:35.920 I will dance in the shadow. 1.00

00:15:37.320 Mother, have some shadows.

00:15:40.540 Yes.

00:15:41.400 Out which you cannot crawl.

00:15:43.380 Oh, yeah.

00:15:44.140 Why must it be constantly generative?

00:15:46.260 this this idea by the way that that every generation you know within a family must in

00:15:50.500 some way improve upon the last is unsustainable and godless godless not in line with life no

00:15:58.820 ever increasing homes like are you like what like each home of every generation must increase in

00:16:05.820 square footage I mean there's that like like you better not downsize you know like god I know and

00:16:13.940 that's kind of that's being sort of that's crumbling before our eyes not to get into it but

00:16:18.580 we all know you know it's crumbling yeah this yeah it's it's over now it cannot hold pretty much

00:16:23.240 the center cannot hold it never was going to but to actually witness it breaking apart what a thrill

00:16:28.280 you know i'm jealous right now because i sat my ass up and i really shouldn't have because it's 0.80

00:16:34.060 it's affecting it's turning me into a sort of a corporate uh snout um i can't believe i reclined 0.94

00:16:40.160 this is only my second time doing a reclining poog well we remember that other time i mean

00:16:45.800 i actually have a lot to say i haven't even gotten to we're gonna get right in i just want

00:16:51.380 to say this was i was i'm reclining because i'm jet lagged because i just got back from london

00:16:56.320 the point is that i did get back after much turmoil um turmoil is too strong a word it was

00:17:00.800 fine as i said i watched adaptation holds up obviously so i want to talk about your packing

00:17:07.240 because i thought it was kind of interesting okay i didn't purchase a single thing in london oh well

00:17:12.040 i'm this is an absolute call of desperation i never purchase on a trip never i wanted to get

00:17:18.000 myself because it was also my birthday when i was there and i thought oh i'm gonna get myself a

00:17:21.680 little slutty dress or a bracelet nothing nothing caught my eye by the way i will have you know all

00:17:27.400 you got was a text from me but there was by the way you were the first text and after the stroke

00:17:32.300 of midnight i looked down and it's jacqueline and what'd you say it was so cute happy birthday i

00:17:36.960 love you you said something really cute something like that and then maybe told you something

00:17:42.040 simple and then maybe told you um well i wanted to be the first because i i was prepared all day

00:17:46.320 i'd practically set an alarm knowing you're eight hours ahead unbelievable knowing knowing your

00:17:51.020 birthday would turn in london and all your friends and family back home just are living life like

00:17:56.080 like life as usual not so i thought that and then i i was trying to get your information

00:18:01.380 and there was you know the thought does it count I don't know but I think you'll still enjoy hearing

00:18:07.200 that I was researching along with my tour manager Emma fine bakery establishments you're so sweet

00:18:14.420 in London to be delivered and also the idea of a drink being sent up the room although I thought

00:18:18.240 that might scare you these things were researched I you know maybe that's what I'll do it would

00:18:22.880 never scare me I don't that's so sweet screenshot the the text and I'll screenshot the thing in my

00:18:27.640 new productivity app where it was listed as a to do oh I want to know about that not to do of

00:18:33.060 course I don't use that model obviously I use GTD I'm very moved and this is a situation where

00:18:39.760 hearing about it actually does help because I chronically have done that I go I was recently

00:18:44.840 when did that happen I was like I was gonna get you a present but I do believe the reportage

00:18:53.460 you know with a close friend has value like i would never try to pull that

00:18:57.760 with someone else right right but totally i decided um you know dinner obviously when you

00:19:05.760 got back would suffice would be the true oh yeah baby here we go i know i know you're kidding all

00:19:10.900 i want god a lichitini with you it's so interesting how you hold to lichitini because look back in

00:19:16.900 in 2006 i was swept by the only place where i was swept by them obviously who doesn't want

00:19:22.480 a touch of paradise a touch of inside of a common restaurant inside a hotel bar the promise of

00:19:29.340 something lychee puree but are they good no sorry sorry did you see the anger yeah you mean what

00:19:36.340 where's the puree the only lychee teeny listen to me very carefully folks the only lychee teeny

00:19:44.800 that i have ever consumed and then craved so you actually haven't compared

00:19:51.300 is i have not compared because there's no pure you're about to say jar okay okay i love this

00:19:57.380 you do the same okay you do which where we will be going okay listen for my birthday dinner 0.83

00:20:01.900 i was at jar once looking at the menu and i go lychee teeny am i a whore in paris i'm getting

00:20:08.700 it now it arrives an angel's bath water there's no puree there honey it's no no puree which i

00:20:15.640 don't even consume no puree the the the heavenly liquid from the lychee truly when i tell you

00:20:23.380 because people go oh it goes down easy certain drinks right and you i always think that means

00:20:27.320 oh it's sweet maybe excessively sweet or something this is like again you want to know you're drinking

00:20:34.460 alcohol you want to feel it there's alcohol in this hun you can tell but or it's hard not to

00:20:41.000 drink it on three sips because it is otherworldly it might go down too easy then because here here's

00:20:46.520 the thing to me but it's not sweet i like right no right right but i mean i mean there's a sweetness

00:20:53.060 but i had never had anything like it and now when i go there it's hard for me to have anything else

00:20:57.560 it's also the yeah it's just unbelievable it's also the so it's funny how you saw me cut myself

00:21:02.120 off there and edit sure did so so here's why were you gonna say it's the first thing on the menu

00:21:07.560 no i was gonna say it's also the first place i ever had an espresso martini which are oh you

00:21:12.900 know kind of it was it last summer brought them up recently that they've apparently swept the

00:21:17.620 streets you mentioned recently that i was shocked because i always thought they were they sounded

00:21:21.300 like the absolute detestable low dregs of yeah of something like it's like what is this what is this

00:21:28.640 well i think that was why they were exalted and fetishized because it was like what is this

00:21:32.440 impossible item so right of course so low can we bring it up i believe last summer they took off

00:21:37.880 and people are still clinging to the rocks you know still trying to make it hanging off the edge

00:21:43.980 of that thing legs wrapped around the stem so every every hot place in town has an espresso

00:21:50.160 martini on the menu i particularly noticed that in london so i had never had one went to jar last

00:21:56.280 time i was there i thought honey if there's a place to have one it's right they're gonna do

00:21:59.480 right well i ordered it they elevated the leachy so exactly what's next and ultimately it was 100

00:22:07.380 fine but not something i would order again unless i were maybe slightly tipsy was the end of dinner

00:22:12.260 and i thought hey now the conversation's really gonna take off i did it no cream right there's

00:22:17.220 nothing creamy about this isn't bailey's and no which i'm not knocking by the way i mean it's

00:22:21.220 delicious let's get real no sure as a fetish object is something that you that maybe i would

00:22:26.540 have twice a year yeah yeah ritualized yeah something but tell me this i mean did it taste

00:22:33.560 like espresso easter only yeah yeah it's espresso which by the way so in london here's another little

00:22:40.380 thing reminds me of eggnog i'm thinking about eggnog right now so oh wow in london you know

00:22:45.700 you can't get they don't have like pour over or drip really they just do a americano which i've

00:22:50.700 and i always remember that when i get there i go oh god why and then i go oh i love this and

00:22:55.140 yesterday I had an Americano because as we all know maybe we don't all know there's less caffeine

00:22:59.140 in espresso than a cup of coffee so you mentioned this a few weeks ago yeah did I really did I

00:23:06.500 yeah well yeah it's been popping up in my head because I feel like because this is how deranged

00:23:10.840 I am I recall a moment where I'm talking about you know oh I've I actually have so many espressos

00:23:15.680 during the day not even just the coffee I was treating it like stronger yeah and then there

00:23:19.540 was a pause no sorry and you said something like well you know coffee has more and I've heard that

00:23:23.760 before and i paused deciding with how to reckon with it and i've been ashamed of the pause worrying

00:23:27.440 about it ever since the slight pause okay no it wakes me in the night going she thinks i've never

00:23:31.840 heard that fact before no no no no no i know that you know this so it's popped in my head that by

00:23:37.700 because because no one's gonna trust me after a little pause okay if i go yeah yeah i know i know 0.97

00:23:42.360 that they're not gonna trust me because they know i got a chip on my shoulder about fucking knowing 0.97

00:23:46.580 something okay so they're gonna think i'm covering my ass and fast i'm more curious because you like 0.99

00:23:51.820 four shots so i'm like so i i well right now i'm drinking coffee okay they provide two different 0.97

00:23:57.860 things for me i mean emotionally taste wise the whole thing okay i have real iced coffee has come

00:24:06.360 to taste like water to me we know i don't like cold brew it tastes like syrup to me so it was

00:24:11.020 americanos the whole time i still think we have a brand issue here yeah with cold brew yeah i still

00:24:17.800 think we can get you we can have you have a nice brew the very thing that's supposedly good about

00:24:21.580 it is the thing i don't like it'd be like saying um you're trying to get me off um it'd be like

00:24:26.240 if you're trying to get me from frozen yogurt to ice cream and you were like and what i hate about

00:24:32.960 ice cream is that it's creamy right right okay okay and you're like you haven't had the right

00:24:37.760 ice cream yet the very defining attribute this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called

00:24:47.080 The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995 my neighbor

00:24:55.300 Anna Trainor disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and

00:25:00.140 trees and praying and drugs. No I am not your guru. And back then I lied to my parents. I lied

00:25:09.260 to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided

00:25:14.620 to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:25:16.820 interview my friends, family, talk to police,

00:25:19.140 journalists, whomever I can

00:25:20.380 to try to find out what actually happened.

00:25:22.980 Isn't it a little bit weird that they

00:25:24.520 obsess over hippies in the woods and not the

00:25:26.380 obvious boyfriend? They have had this case

00:25:28.700 for 30 years. 0.92

00:25:30.500 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here 1.00

00:25:32.480 and my wife. Boom! Boom! 1.00

00:25:34.840 This is The Red Weather.

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00:25:41.380 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:25:44.620 The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

00:25:48.660 So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

00:25:52.640 I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to.

00:25:54.940 I would just want you to listen to me more often and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success.

00:26:01.700 Listening is a form of love.

00:26:03.900 Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well-being at SoundItOutTogether.org.

00:26:09.980 That's SoundItOutTogether.org.

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00:26:14.620 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with the coolest cat in country music.

00:26:18.780 He is edgy.

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00:26:20.600 He is Chase Matthews.

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00:26:24.860 but it's his recent number one hit darling to put Chase on the map

00:26:27.860 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:26:33.120 That's why I'm scared to get married.

00:26:34.460 You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:26:35.840 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with Chase Matthews.

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00:26:42.080 or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:26:44.620 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:26:48.820 the number one hit true crime show

00:26:51.140 that puts women right in the centre of their own stories.

00:26:54.900 I'm back with more one-off interviews 1.00

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00:27:02.280 I want to introduce you to Sylvia.

00:27:04.840 I'm going to climb this.

00:27:07.160 And then there's Vaisaka.

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00:27:13.440 Leila, dare to ask the question...

00:27:15.900 Is badness hereditary?

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00:27:25.820 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

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00:28:20.260 Speaking of coffee,

00:28:21.560 does this ever happen to you?

00:28:22.700 Can't get a good cup today.

00:28:24.120 So I woke up.

00:28:25.240 So just again,

00:28:26.380 to tell the folks,

00:28:27.340 I'm reclining

00:28:27.840 because I woke up at three.

00:28:29.160 I went to bed at nine,

00:28:30.320 woke up at 3 a.m.,

00:28:31.740 couldn't go back to sleep,

00:28:32.940 just awake,

00:28:34.220 and tried to make a cup of coffee

00:28:36.140 this morning in my French press.

00:28:37.900 It just wasn't right.

00:28:39.240 It was weak.

00:28:40.040 Something happened. 1.00

00:28:40.840 I was like, oh, fuck. 1.00

00:28:42.200 And then I go, 1.00

00:28:42.860 You must have pushed down too soon, right?

00:28:45.300 Yeah, no, I think I don't know what happened.

00:28:46.640 Who can clock it, honestly?

00:28:48.900 I know, four minutes.

00:28:50.240 It's supposed to be four minutes.

00:28:51.320 Is it four?

00:28:52.340 Well, there might be your problem.

00:28:53.840 I believe it's four.

00:28:55.480 I never go less than six.

00:28:58.880 No, but I normally am fine.

00:29:00.520 Something happened.

00:29:02.300 I think I just, it's simple.

00:29:03.980 I just didn't put enough grounds in there.

00:29:06.580 It was a simple air.

00:29:07.820 It was a human air.

00:29:08.760 Were you cheap with the grounds?

00:29:10.820 No, it wasn't a cheap thing.

00:29:12.200 Were you stingy?

00:29:12.860 no I don't mean the fiends themselves

00:29:15.040 I mean with your scooping

00:29:16.300 yes but not a rounded scoop

00:29:19.180 it just somehow today

00:29:21.100 it wasn't enough I've been away for 10 days

00:29:22.800 I lost my

00:29:24.700 natural way but I

00:29:27.220 but wait I have a huge question of a

00:29:29.100 french press this happens to me sometimes I push 1.00

00:29:31.060 it down and then I go fuck I pushed 0.99

00:29:33.020 it down too soon I can sort of see through it you know 0.99

00:29:34.920 I basically don't want to be able to see through my coffee right 0.97

00:29:36.860 yeah it's not tea folks it's not a fucking window 0.98

00:29:39.060 to the world 0.99

00:29:41.180 okay so

00:29:42.640 I didn't show up for something not opaque I mean Jesus okay so then why can't I pull the plunger

00:29:50.500 back up haven't we all been there a dance let those beings continue to move around the dance

00:29:59.000 of the devil and then push it down again it seems like and every time I pose this question I then

00:30:02.820 look at it and start to think okay here's how I would do it and then I realize there's there's

00:30:06.600 something wrong there's something amiss it won't work and I don't but I don't know why I don't know

00:30:10.640 why because i've also been in that moment god no i can i can go back i can go back i can you know

00:30:15.000 but we can't go back a friend press where you could go back yeah no regrets friend press yeah

00:30:22.400 yeah finally yeah i don't know i don't know but i but the coffee wasn't good and then we were

00:30:31.520 gonna do poog and i thought i can't get out of bed i'm just too out of it and i thought i have

00:30:36.460 a can of cold brew i'm i'm gonna do a cold brew smoothie i'm gonna do a cold brew frozen bananas 0.99

00:30:43.000 some coconut milk i was like i'm gonna make this a morning to remember and you did it it fucking 0.78

00:30:48.220 isn't good i did it and i was like excuse me i didn't have enough bananas so that was my first 0.76

00:30:52.760 error there was a can so it was like it was like kind of no i'm reacting imagining the cold brew

00:30:59.140 being like the prominent thing still liquidy in the blender yes yes and then here's also 0.96

00:31:04.100 oh my god I forgot to add the almond butter I'm so fucking stupid that's what I was gonna do

00:31:08.040 but wait and then can of coconut milk in my fridge I pull it out I open it it makes a little bit of a 0.98

00:31:14.600 sound I don't love I turn it over it expired in January I go I'm gonna have it anyway because I

00:31:19.500 tried it and it tasted fine and it was in the fridge this whole time it wasn't in the shelf

00:31:23.280 do you know it was a can in the fridge unopened yeah yeah interesting potulism instant what no

00:31:31.120 just um yeah just just well no it was in there because there was there was a vegan dessert i was

00:31:36.220 gonna make that had called and it said to chill it yeah and that was about half a year ago yeah

00:31:40.960 of course it's still in there it's waiting in there screaming in the back yeah i pulled her

00:31:45.600 out today and it was just it wasn't good so i'm thinking what do i do i think after pook maybe

00:31:51.220 i'll make here's what's even more curious folks despite the fact i've been awake since three

00:31:55.820 i didn't have a violent need for coffee but guess what i did blend up sweetie guess what was the

00:32:00.820 first thing to hit my lips today hold please i want to think about this you have to think

00:32:05.940 but did blend up you say oh lemon drink yeah honey lemon drink

00:32:11.840 hag water yeah pre yeah yeah hag slurry yeah just slurry is really i thought about you saying slurry

00:32:22.960 i just couldn't love it more well we haven't talked about i mean it's been weeks basically 0.81

00:32:27.520 on it i missed a few days and by the way the hags love it they're blending it up and and above all

00:32:35.280 dare i say community i mean to tell tell you tell me it's not about community tell me it's not me

00:32:40.240 that doesn't unite us okay that how they feel at their at their home tour manager emma overheard

00:32:46.280 her parents yeah okay just overheard a conversation and when she heard her father telling her other

00:32:51.800 no but it needs to pulverize no like we like we need to get a new we might need to get a new

00:32:56.680 blender it needs to pulverize the lemon this is incredible no this has really captured the

00:33:01.700 imagination because my cousin texted me was like so are you really drinking a whole eating like a

00:33:06.620 whole lemon every day so people are running with this they can't believe it and i'll just say if

00:33:11.360 you haven't tried it yet get on there because yes it's tart but those frozen blueberries what they

00:33:18.700 do and the color of it did you start okay so i started to worry because in my extreme focus on

00:33:26.960 so so we've talked depression recently um it's big tbd right it's a big question mark you know

00:33:34.480 we'll name the battle after it's it's won or lost i guess um you know what i mean but i but whatever

00:33:40.200 so i'm really in it and and right now this this is this obsession around metabolism and and glucose

00:33:45.160 and sugar and and its relation to depression right I've been reading about that so me in the

00:33:50.460 ongoing six device six device supported you know assessment of that has has brought me going okay

00:34:00.220 it's the blueberries gonna spike my glucose they send me high and then bring me low right and it

00:34:06.580 seems like you know but then what are you gonna have just okay what do you have then fish oil no

00:34:12.460 i i've been doing the blueberries okay good i've been doing the blueberries but but then and i've

00:34:17.080 been meaning to reach out to dr berg by which i mean comment under one of his posts and say

00:34:23.160 can i add a little can i add avocado to this can i add something okay that that that first of all

00:34:30.320 will like fill me a little bit can i lower the the glycemic index okay can i is that getting in

00:34:39.080 the way of the acidic thing well i'll just say and i know that you know this but blueberries

00:34:44.120 have the lowest of all the fruits yeah no absolutely okay but i know that you understand

00:34:50.920 the health benefits of blueberries and we wouldn't be even friends if you wouldn't even be here yeah

00:34:54.960 and i've been dumping a mounded cup in okay you're reminding me that i purchased avocado to put in a

00:35:04.600 smoothie i once had avocado in a smoothie and i found it so repulsive i nearly moved across county

00:35:10.520 lines it has to be yeah no it's a it's hamlet it's over to the next hamlet okay if you do it wrong

00:35:17.980 okay wait are you ready i don't understand what you're saying oh you just said cross county lines

00:35:25.740 i'm saying moving over to the next hamlet as in a little town i was just like crossing county

00:35:30.400 lines a hamlet is a town wait so is hamlet i've never heard the term okay hang on hang on hang on

00:35:34.900 hang on this is huge i had no idea so hamburger hamlet that's are you familiar is that a chain

00:35:41.780 hamburger hamlet was a restaurant in la okay that means hamburger town i never knew what it meant

00:35:48.280 i think so hamlet is a town yeah in a very very old kind of way but but weirdly like this was

00:35:57.180 old-timey burger place yeah hamlet doesn't that sound like something i don't know as i'm saying

00:36:01.900 it now all i can hear is kind of a ham omelet or a little burger you know what's so embarrassing

00:36:07.220 is when you said that you'll notice we can play back the tape i became quiet didn't know how to

00:36:12.340 react because i thought you were a reference i thought it was a hamlet reference that i wasn't

00:36:15.600 understanding and i was too embarrassed to admit that i didn't understand the hamlet reference

00:36:19.360 but of course i mean but of course no i mean the expectation the assumption that shakespeare is

00:36:27.180 good no i'm not saying it's not i don't say he because you know that's up for debate

00:36:31.900 although arguably shakespeare has existed as a as a thought form for so long that oh yeah the man

00:36:40.400 now does exist like he was conjured by us at this point yeah if he wasn't a man we made him one folks

00:36:46.900 we made him one folks yeah yeah wouldn't it be fun to have like is there like a never mind i'm not

00:36:54.520 gonna say it no and by the way when i say that i'm not gonna say it it makes it sound like because

00:36:59.260 what i'm about to say is somehow could be misconstrued or yes so here's what i was gonna 0.94

00:37:03.660 say just to prove yeah that the reason why i decide not to say it because it was so stupid 0.82

00:37:07.760 didn't deserve to be uttered was what about a shakespeare themed restaurant that's what i was 0.59

00:37:12.980 gonna say and stopped and no medieval times will not do well i'm trying let me think if there are

00:37:19.880 any hamlet right okay were you enchanted by okay i never went to medieval times however my cousin

00:37:26.300 romeo and julia at the restaurant okay sorry montague and copulet seating right i mean are

00:37:32.900 is anyone going is anyone going montague oh right i briefly in my mind for a second there was

00:37:39.620 thinking wait i literally forgot that for some reason i like forgot i was about to call him leo

00:37:46.320 instead of romeo romeo yeah yeah because that's fine he i mean because he is some actors become

00:37:54.000 the role and the role shrivels in their skin i'm sorry can we take another moment to talk about

00:37:59.060 how good an actor leo sardo dicaprio i mean i'm always this this is a podcast about leo

00:38:04.620 okay because i will always talk about leo it's almost it's so understood that it's almost not

00:38:09.960 even discussed no it's it's it's it's insane everything I know he actually doesn't he actually

00:38:17.280 doesn't get enough he's actually not famous enough he's not uh celebrated enough like he does not get

00:38:24.640 it enough we should be talking about Leo and I call him Leo Dio just like because it it doesn't

00:38:30.020 make sense his last name is not Dio anything right the fact that I don't hear that the fact

00:38:35.500 that people aren't talking about him on every street corner of every hour and the fact that

00:38:39.960 it's insane what was his last movie where is he first of all i mean i know he's but like what's

00:38:44.840 going on i mean like who does he want to work with you know us well you know what i heard you

00:38:50.460 know what i heard and this ran my blood cold okay you know what i heard oh god i'm scared

00:38:54.640 here's a little industry gossip not really but i heard and this was hard to hear this made me go

00:39:03.300 what are we doing apparently scorsese and yes i said it the correct way yes that is the pronunciation

00:39:10.720 i grew up in la yes i said i stooped down and i said scorsese for years to be understood

00:39:17.880 to feel community of course to be understood language is it about communicating or not

00:39:22.820 that time is no longer right it is scorsese and

00:39:27.520 okay i heard that scorsese's last film that was starring our boy leo

00:39:37.500 couldn't get funding i repeat i repeat couldn't secure funding

00:39:49.820 and so i say that to free all of us all of us with our creative endeavors or

00:39:58.840 yeah like well if marty and leo are going into a meeting going yeah and they go god we love you but

00:40:05.700 there's just nothing for you here yeah we love we love what you do no no are you ready what

00:40:10.740 they say they go huge fan look we'd love look we when we started this company you know we started

00:40:15.460 so we could work with cool people like you yeah you know what i'm talking about like like like so

00:40:21.000 that we could do like cool projects you know like and just like follow voices and imagine being

00:40:26.480 the agent calling them or they walk out you're in the elevator they loved it but they loved it but

00:40:34.100 they just don't have the money i mean what do they say it's a pass from lion's gate

00:40:43.440 distributor what's the what do you think they literally say oh wait here's my also what i want

00:40:49.060 to know yeah because i get excited was the film so i mean i obviously it's the budget of those

00:40:56.440 movies you know the cheapest they are is 100 million dollars right it's like the absolute

00:40:59.740 cheapest so it's like was the budget so what were they trying to do was it like well we're gonna

00:41:05.620 have you know this is well is it gangs of new york like what price is it period is it you know

00:41:11.520 what i mean i know you know what i would love to see leo as an astronaut marty's not going to space

00:41:16.140 marty has no business in space right and he knows it oh marty's not going to space why would he has

00:41:23.520 new york folks he's got new when you got new york you don't you don't give up that seat

00:41:28.680 you don't go to mars and then come crawling back and your faces you don't you don't get a you don't

00:41:34.460 get a telescope installed at manetta tavern honey you don't need the moon when you've got a table

00:41:39.860 at balthazar i want to i want to tell you about something i overheard okay at the pool okay you

00:41:48.380 ready so you back at the pool love it yeah yeah yeah you're overhearing conversations at the pool

00:41:55.840 oh it's and then there was even a woman she's listening oh because i because i was no i knew

00:42:00.240 no they were fighting to they were fighting to remember i i overheard such i heard i heard um

00:42:06.460 okay now i can't remember but it's a song in and they do the full number in my best friend's

00:42:13.260 wedding okay say a little prayer maybe yeah of course and so i hear them this one guy describing

00:42:20.940 to another woman in the pool and they're strangers so it's not like i'm breaking in on something

00:42:24.840 really and i hear them describe in the number and it's da da da and it's this movie and they can't

00:42:29.040 remember any of the names and i just finally i just i i they see me talking them they say she's

00:42:34.480 listening uh and they're shouting to each other between two lap lanes i want to be clear so this

00:42:38.040 is not private and i go my best friend's wedding okay and they loved it they loved it but i overheard

00:42:46.600 that i okay i've overheard two swimming lessons now same same teacher same student a week apart

00:42:51.160 right so i'm back actually you would have loved it i overheard the swim instructor end a lesson

00:42:55.440 early because she had a blinding migraine and she's like i'm not at my best i need to go and

00:43:01.660 i was thinking like well yeah she did sound a little um like rude and cruel to the child it

00:43:06.560 was pretty stunning here so then this week she's back no migraine okay and i hear okay so now it's

00:43:11.920 her at her best and she's still abusing the child the child is struggling the child is bending the

00:43:17.740 knees when kicking when this is supposed to be more of a flutter okay yeah knees straight like

00:43:22.740 sticks like sticks like sticks they keep saying okay and then i hear um her okay and then i hear 0.62

00:43:29.100 her trying to teach you know she's talking about scooping the water in the in the crawl scoop the

00:43:34.900 water back scoop the water back and this is what i just i hear this thing like what's imagine you're

00:43:41.620 scooping ice cream okay imagine you're scooping ice cream you want to get more ice cream okay so

00:43:48.000 so so you got to pull the water pull the water and like you know it's like i don't like ice cream

00:43:52.740 or something you know the kid whatever and it's like okay then imagine what's what's it's like

00:43:55.780 then imagine something. Okay. Okay. What's something you really love? Okay. And then,

00:44:00.460 you know, you know, whatever. Okay. And then, and then, and I, I find this bankrupt. Okay.

00:44:04.880 As a teaching tool, I find this humiliating. I felt that, that on some level she was performing

00:44:10.340 like her ability to relate to children in utterly false fashion for those of us poolside.

00:44:17.720 Yeah. Yeah. It's the googly eyes on the, on the, on the alphabet or on the numbers,

00:44:22.160 making it ice cream is fucking meaningless do you think the child's gonna go oh oh well if it's 0.50

00:44:28.420 ice cream then yeah yeah yeah totally yeah scoop scoop I go look I'm doing it I mean I guess 0.97

00:44:34.600 no it was it wasn't about scooping hard I can I can I can in some way understand 0.65

00:44:41.200 yeah it makes no it's bullshit Kate it's not about scooping hard 0.55

00:44:44.660 she wasn't even that wasn't even what she was she was trying to teach it was like 0.98

00:44:48.480 it was like irrelevant i you know what's emerging is that you are an you're an educator

00:44:54.800 from the math to this and we need to get you in front of some kids immediately

00:44:58.360 embrace it well i was laughing about your thing of i don't want to say your punchline but doctor's

00:45:06.680 orders so funny oh right so i've been i've been trying to seek empathy so when i yeah when i

00:45:12.820 order delivery you know I if I'm like you know I'll order things and specifically say like no

00:45:20.240 chips no tortilla on the side because I can't control myself and I don't want to eat it so

00:45:24.220 and I don't want to throw it in the trash the second it arrives because that just feels very

00:45:27.360 wasteful so I beg them no tortillas okay no chips I beg them and I put it in all caps and I

00:45:34.940 but if I put it all caps I feel like I got to throw in a bunch of hearts whatever it just I 1.00

00:45:39.080 i have this fear that they're gonna sort of be like fuck you you know oh you're some la bitch 1.00

00:45:45.300 okay who's off bread because your vein throw out your own chips you know kind of is is the spirit 1.00

00:45:50.980 but so i'm trying to basically be like so i've started writing in in the comments like

00:45:55.520 seriously please no chips doctor's orders

00:45:59.340 okay with it with it with an exclamation boy and sometimes i put in like like like believe me i

00:46:08.220 want them okay or i've like i've been like i've been like because your chips are so delicious

00:46:12.240 please don't include them like like your chips are amazing and that's why i and i cannot control

00:46:17.280 myself doctor's orders like i know i'm heinous i know i'm trash like my love of your chips is the

00:46:25.200 very reason that i can't have them right now because you know i eat i i one of my great

00:46:34.000 pleasure is is eating to a point of pain and exhaustion and yeah as we know i'm trying to

00:46:40.300 trying to do right by the biochemistry at the moment

00:46:44.520 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:46:56.820 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:47:03.560 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:47:04.940 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:47:08.560 So no, I am not your guru.

00:47:12.340 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:47:14.980 I lied to police.

00:47:16.260 I lied to everybody.

00:47:17.020 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:47:20.220 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:47:22.880 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:47:25.700 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:47:29.060 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:47:31.960 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:47:33.560 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:47:36.580 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:47:39.600 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:47:40.920 This is The Red Weather.

00:47:43.900 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:47:50.700 The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

00:47:54.660 So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

00:47:58.680 I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to.

00:48:00.820 I would just want you to listen to me more often and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success.

00:48:07.780 Listening is a form of love.

00:48:10.000 Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well-being at SoundItOutTogether.org.

00:48:16.220 That's SoundItOutTogether.org.

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00:49:53.480 today i'm i'm not what time is it now so god how is it only 10 a.m when you wake up at 3 let me

00:50:03.140 tell you 10 a.m hits it's a shock it's oh i would love it to be 2 30 and it's like i'm actually

00:50:11.840 feeling a little bit poo has energized me this morning i'm thinking maybe i'll i'm gonna do my

00:50:17.620 swiss chard i've got some amazing szechuan chili oil in there i want to do some swiss chard with

00:50:22.640 some fried eggs in the szechuan chili crisp i ordered a um enchilada last night and um

00:50:29.940 but so how do you do an enchilada with no tortilla well that's the thing so so so last

00:50:35.960 night i had an absolute sort of hour where i was like it's over the meds have finally given through

00:50:44.940 or whatever yeah like now we're not just like making home in gotham city like i'm i'm in the

00:50:49.960 um the gutter of gotham city screaming to them sorry jacqueline i'm fine i mean it's all completely

00:50:55.200 fine like you know um but i was like actively like oh no this okay and i was feeling this feeling

00:51:03.660 which is like the feeling where like the minorest frustration it was actually comical i i'm sitting

00:51:10.680 on my apartment uh balcony and on this couch and and where i've balanced one drink and another

00:51:19.080 drink a mug of coffee and a ranch rider okay they're both there okay and and one goes and

00:51:25.520 then the other goes okay somehow just falls off yeah like i was drinking the ranch rider the coffee

00:51:29.880 was from earlier in the day and it was still resting there and because i'm i rest things i

00:51:34.020 rest drinks on unstable surfaces i do it all the time because i'm like i got it so like on the couch

00:51:39.360 i rest it on the next cushion because that one's not directly being depressed by my body you know

00:51:43.700 chris you know can't even it's shocking to him you know what i mean and i'm like i got it that

00:51:47.640 shocks me as well so i rest it there and then they both fly i'm so like diminished in resiliency

00:51:54.580 so then i throw the computer okay yeah totally more of a toss but i throw it groundward in this

00:52:00.960 feeling of like no i chuck it like i push it kind of okay yeah and because there's also a lot of

00:52:09.060 fury at my computer at the moment because it's just a sight of pain you know what i mean of like

00:52:13.080 Yeah. Yeah. And so so I throw the computer hysterically. Not at the time, of course, it lands in a pocket of air like it bounces on something like it lands in a, you know, this fat boy.

00:52:25.800 It's called fat boy. OK. It's like a nylon thing. You like drag through the wind. It fills with air and then you roll it up. And it's like a chair. Yeah. Yeah. 0.85

00:52:33.220 So like I was testing it out the other day. And so I've got this half blown up thing. So it sort of like it lands in a pillow of air. It was like kind of safe, which was, of course, unsatisfying.

00:52:43.080 Of course, you know, you know, I was looking I was looking to sort of do something irreversible to to to mark the level of what I was feeling like a cry for help to myself.

00:52:58.820 Yeah, this computer smashes. And then like and then like, Chris, I smashed my computer. Like, I'm really depressed, I guess.

00:53:05.840 Yeah, yeah. I think that's the childish sort of and I don't mean childish even in a disparaging way.

00:53:11.780 like like I mean like in a raw way that's like what's happening there in some way but

00:53:15.260 oh yeah wanting to that's how just destruction yeah I remember one time in my apartment in New

00:53:22.300 York I was in a terrible mood or something I don't know but the the blinds I was like the

00:53:28.700 sun was streaming and it was too bright I was trying to sleep or something and I went to like

00:53:33.700 close them and it just slightly broken or something and I just ripped the blinds straight

00:53:38.000 yes just did it tear down the because what you what you want in that moment to me is it to tear

00:53:45.480 the um rod out of the wall that like that's the satisfaction and then be swinging so the the wall

00:53:51.220 was okay the wall was okay somehow but the blinds just straight just ripped right off yeah and it

00:53:56.420 was like well there you go and now the sun is completely blinding and then i took a hammer

00:54:01.320 and nails and nailed up towels oh yeah yeah that's the other way no that that's constrict that's like

00:54:07.880 constructive anger i do this too where i get furious about trying to like hang something in

00:54:14.820 a good way and so then i just hammer it like i hammer it to the wall boom boom boom like yeah

00:54:19.520 i'm gonna ruin the wall yes it's gonna look bad yeah like you know it'd be like hammering a screw

00:54:23.160 into a wall or something it would be like i know this is only gonna hold for like a day yeah but

00:54:28.240 right now the fury i um so i'm sitting there and i'm in this like very active state that's reminiscent

00:54:36.080 of like times in in the deep past and it's like oh god and it's where where I feel uh like the

00:54:44.620 slightest frustration like my body does a thing where it's like where the instinct is to go limp

00:54:49.980 and literally collapse right yeah because I was like on the phone with Chris and I was like okay

00:54:54.000 I'm just gonna say something I'm going to try I'm going to experiment with not collapsing

00:54:57.520 yeah okay and it's like because collapsing is like was an original way that i would sort of

00:55:05.860 i think like basically alchemized anxiety into depression so i'd feel rabid anxiety and the

00:55:12.200 whole thing and go what do i do what do i do and like start like slamming things and and destroying

00:55:16.180 things or trying to do things and then i think i learned like to immediately go like limp almost

00:55:21.360 paralyze myself you know it's so and that's like where you go like where some of these

00:55:25.580 concepts of like and I don't mean I'm not denying the biochemical nature and the all the many

00:55:32.460 facets but like from a therapeutic standpoint like depression as like anger turned inward and

00:55:38.820 in women and that whole kind of thing so it's almost like all this energy this rage this

00:55:43.540 whatever is flying through me and I'm going to immediately stun gun myself like I'm going to

00:55:49.220 immediately uh tranquilize lie down and be a be a damage to no one like neutralize the bomb

00:55:56.000 yeah and so and then like there you are laying on the floor not moving uh staring at a wall it's

00:56:00.840 like there have been times where i've gone the path of like yeah let like let yourself collapse 0.58

00:56:05.560 and my book a goddamn depression book is like that side of things it's the like you're on the 0.87

00:56:10.680 like yeah let yourself like fall to the floor and i'll like keep you company while you're there and 0.96

00:56:14.200 that's fine and that's important but so right now i'm doing the other thing which is all right i

00:56:18.700 think I've got enough energy reserves built up over the years okay of not of not being in that

00:56:24.560 state that I'm like I can stay up because I'm actually not in the mood to collapse and have

00:56:30.440 to get back up once I go like limp it's it's like then I have to do a whole thing in my brain

00:56:36.520 to find like a reason to get up and you know I'll just say talking about this the biggest

00:56:43.020 trouble with talking about this is the desire to explain and contextualize and uh alert to

00:56:49.100 gratitude about my life uh blah blah blah blah blah blah yeah no need i'm gonna trust the listener

00:56:53.940 on this one um i'm like we're gonna not do the collapse and so i say i say to chris like i'm

00:56:58.200 gonna not do the collapse thing like i'm gonna tell you every time i feel like i'm about to do

00:57:01.860 it like or not about to do it but i'm that i'm feeling the feeling and that's not doing it it's

00:57:05.320 like it's like not not that's been proven to be good or something like i know that's a thing to

00:57:11.420 speak it like if you feel like oh there's the pattern i'm trying to break or the thing i'm

00:57:16.380 trying to resist you say like i want to do it but i'm not going to or something right even just even

00:57:21.860 not necessarily to anyone even just yourself to acknowledge like i want to do that but i'm not

00:57:24.900 going to yeah yeah it felt like it felt important because it almost felt like well i don't want to

00:57:29.360 do the same thing where where i'm where there's some element of this that becomes my way of 0.50

00:57:34.320 communicating to my partner for example that shit's bad or something you know like this 0.80

00:57:39.300 unconscious need to like make it like look I've collapsed you know like like whatever so so I'm 0.95

00:57:45.320 like I'm going to articulate that I will be seen uh for the thing I'm feeling and just like try to

00:57:50.620 stay up and um and I was I was like really like and it's so it's such an active thing and trying

00:57:57.340 to so I'm going it's like I'm literally going okay um um maybe I'll go get cigarettes like 0.81

00:58:03.060 fuck it I haven't smoked for like 10 years but I'm like oh my god cigarettes maybe like I'm like 0.88

00:58:06.880 that like and it's actively like not cigarettes will make me feel better it's like cigarettes are 0.99

00:58:11.820 like they're a way of doing something bad to myself that's like sort of sanctioned in this way

00:58:17.300 that almost it's a very it's very weird it's like it's like staying in the game and then and then

00:58:22.320 you just like and that's the other thing it's like you know people got to do what they got to

00:58:27.420 do to stay in the game I mean you just have to have empathy for literally everything everyone

00:58:30.720 does it's true in that way in that way like did you get cigarettes no I was like and then the

00:58:35.940 other thing is I sat there and I go I'm like talking to Chris and I'm like all right it might

00:58:40.740 be food like I might I might do like do like food stuff that will make me feel bad but this might be

00:58:48.960 like well I'm just trying to get through tonight I mean it's yeah and so then it sort of becomes

00:58:53.660 and then it was interesting because like this is sort of a new thing too it's like

00:58:59.280 because I don't quite use food in the same way maybe I don't know it was like I was looking

00:59:05.280 to like it's like okay what would be the old thing it would be like get a pizza and sort of

00:59:08.260 like eat it like very in this very specific way that I just move and mow through the pizza you

00:59:14.320 know and it's like it gets to a point where it's like bad but but that's its pleasure and then

00:59:18.340 you know or something like that and then but I'm just like I was like sort of able to be like nah

00:59:24.540 yeah and that one actually felt like I gnapped on both of those things I'm like what did I do

00:59:30.000 I'm trying to think it this is so fucking like embarrassing in this one way to talk about because

00:59:36.260 it's like here it comes folks but it's like not the depression I don't care about that I'm 0.96

00:59:45.640 legitimately truly embarrassed to be like someone talking about like fucking like going for it and 0.90

00:59:51.520 getting the enchilada like I just I mean do you know what I mean like that this isn't like I mean 0.93

00:59:56.320 it's not that i'm literally humiliated by the fact that i'm someone who's like tries to be

01:00:00.340 like i'm humiliated because it's so ugly to be like we like we don't talk about diet a lot on 0.85

01:00:07.780 the podcast right because it's fucking triggering you know what i mean to people and food is like 0.95

01:00:11.860 really fucked for people so it's like there's that and like everything i stand for like technically 0.94

01:00:17.580 is like i'm the best with like food and food enjoyment like i'm it's literally my best quality 0.97

01:00:23.400 i always order enough i never like no like i never like don't prioritize pleasure when it

01:00:29.160 comes to food and so it's like this absolute fucking like conflict for me that like i that 0.69

01:00:36.300 and i'm also this person who's like looking at my glucose like trying to like and like 0.84

01:00:39.600 this whole thing like the fact that i'm this person trying to order without bread all this 0.84

01:00:43.300 shit is like so not who i am and so it sucks because it's like i sound like this thing that 0.97

01:00:49.580 i'm not it fucking sucks i don't know but i think also laughable and like i'm not laughing i but i 0.99

01:00:56.220 do think this is funny also it is but i understand what you're saying it's incongruous to to who you 0.98

01:01:02.920 are in these other ways but it's also like you fucking cares everything is like defined by 0.61

01:01:07.680 those contradictions and you're you're yeah but you're protected like you know like what we are 0.90

01:01:13.700 like you know what i mean like we love dinner we love martinis like the whole thing and so like

01:01:18.580 And I, like, can't decide in the context of this podcast whether or not, like, how much to – I just cannot believe I'm someone that's talking about, like, a tortilla. 0.90

01:01:25.660 This sucks. 0.87

01:01:27.380 It's okay. 1.00

01:01:27.820 And I'm, like, I'm doing it out of goddamn necessity. 0.96

01:01:31.020 Yes, there's no – 0.96

01:01:31.900 It's like if someone's, like, sober or something, okay? 0.99

01:01:34.220 Like, and, like, let's talk about something, like, boldly that isn't my issue, which is, you know, fucked up. 0.93

01:01:38.960 But, like, if someone's sober and it's, like, it's somewhere to be, like, what? 0.95

01:01:41.680 You don't like booze?

01:01:43.940 You know what I mean?

01:01:44.900 Like, well, I'm someone who just loves to enjoy a martini.

01:01:47.440 Why are you sober?

01:01:48.060 and it's like oh yeah me too you know it's like i'm irritated once again that like the complexity

01:01:55.340 of a scenario can't be simultaneously communicated and that like this is the nature of conversation

01:02:00.360 and that like you know there will be 40 minutes where all i talk about is glucose and like thus

01:02:04.640 i'm completely missing the soul of me is completely misunderstood and then i don't know why this is

01:02:09.460 the second piece why i care so much about being understood of course i understand why and i think

01:02:15.260 also you're exhausted because again there is such a lack of nuance like i mean the club street thing

01:02:21.300 that i wrote that food diary was an absolute like breakdown in the midst of this because

01:02:25.600 obviously it's all about this i value like you know transparency i'm not like i'm a corporation

01:02:32.420 i value transparency no but i i like one of the only like things i know i'm willing to like offer

01:02:36.740 as a fucking writer is like being pretty honest and uh and you know whatever and so it's like

01:02:41.820 i'm gonna do that and then like and then i don't know like the task of writing is obviously like 0.99

01:02:47.360 so fucked because you know being edited like a single sentence being edited and like there's 0.63

01:02:52.660 one moment that was totally understandably edited for me saying volume eater period okay which is 0.99

01:02:59.200 not it's just a fucking fragment like i like like like stylistically yeah what was edited 0.63

01:03:04.500 just like i wrote volume meter and like the editor completely understandably changed it 0.95

01:03:09.740 to volume editor comma here like volume editor here volume meter here right like absolute i

01:03:15.380 understand why he did it just me me saying i ordered broccolini and then volume meter period

01:03:19.300 is like a stylistic choice on my part that is that if i were at the top of my game and the rest of

01:03:27.000 the thing i'd written was really sharp okay then then a stark stylistic choice like that

01:03:32.600 was it would be earned wouldn't bother you yeah but no i mean my choice like like my volume meter

01:03:39.240 would stand because the thing's a mess overall it needs clarity and so he understandably makes

01:03:44.200 a volume meter here and i like practically like broke down being like imagining like someone

01:03:50.420 hearing out of my voice like volume meter here like reading it and hearing volume meter here

01:03:56.420 which like yeah doesn't is is a is a way of speaking that is not you and on another day i

01:04:01.940 might have even said volume meter here and i and i told chris about it he's like i laughed at volume

01:04:05.920 meter here you know what i mean he's like i didn't mind it like so then there's this profound insane

01:04:12.020 vanity to the point where if if a single word comes out of me in a way that isn't how i intend

01:04:17.680 it or is edited to do such i feel in my stomach i i experience it as like something like cold and

01:04:27.720 false in my soul i mean it it's like it's amazing like god this is obnoxious and then there's that

01:04:34.480 i mean it's fine whatever it's not it's absolutely not obnoxious and crying again on poog as you

01:04:41.220 said for a peabody i guess well honey you're gonna get it keep it up keep the tears coming doll

01:04:46.720 no but you said it yourself you though the the desire to be understood and the embarrassment

01:04:52.340 at that naked desire yeah but humiliating that's okay yeah it's fine it's all fine absolutely

01:05:00.980 oh and then 1.00

01:05:02.900 so fucking 0.99

01:05:05.720 but like then 1.00

01:05:06.800 so I'm like

01:05:07.720 I sort of lose my mind

01:05:09.140 and

01:05:09.740 you know

01:05:11.120 Chris is like 1.00

01:05:12.500 people skim that shit 1.00

01:05:13.520 like 1.00

01:05:13.820 and Chris is like

01:05:14.520 if I come across something

01:05:15.240 that doesn't make sense

01:05:15.840 I just assume like

01:05:16.460 I don't get it

01:05:17.160 or I miss something

01:05:17.920 and I just keep on skimming

01:05:18.900 people don't care

01:05:19.780 and he's like

01:05:20.720 this isn't

01:05:21.900 you know

01:05:22.260 this is disposable

01:05:23.480 content

01:05:25.020 this is

01:05:25.540 and I'm like

01:05:26.000 I'm creating a legacy

01:05:26.920 of bad work

01:05:27.560 I just continue to release

01:05:28.720 bad work

01:05:29.180 you know like this whole thing

01:05:30.000 like with every 0.90

01:05:30.460 single thing I'm supposed to be a fucking writer okay and like you know but it was coinciding with 0.93

01:05:36.900 this like mood thing and just this and then I decide to so then I'm like talking to Chris and 0.96

01:05:42.820 I'm not gonna do like a active deranged eating thing like just not gonna do it like I don't feel

01:05:48.940 like feeling the food hangover tomorrow like it's just not gonna help things so whatever I was like

01:05:53.080 I am gonna order in like despite having eaten already like and I'm going to after writing about 0.61

01:05:58.980 like my fucking quest chips all week i'm like well i'm gonna get the good chips tonight and 0.92

01:06:03.160 i'm gonna get like six salsas because that's what i actually want i just want to eat chips 0.99

01:06:06.200 yeah fucking salsa and so i ordered like four salsas and chips from a place like that notably 0.88

01:06:11.020 stated that they make their own chips and then i threw it an enchilada because i and by enchilada 0.99

01:06:17.820 i mean enchiladas because that's what comes in an order yeah because i'm always afraid to not

01:06:22.140 order a main anytime i order there's just a fear if you're ordering sides it just could be anything

01:06:26.120 so got the got the enchiladas and you know it's just this kind of memory of going to a mexican

01:06:34.400 restaurant it like one of my earliest restaurant memories you want to know it's the best well i've

01:06:39.880 told you about we would go to this place casa miguel on friday nights until my dad felt that

01:06:44.060 the kids weren't appreciating it we're taking it for granted yeah they were granted like when they

01:06:47.800 were putting their heads down on the table and like going to sleep at the restaurant

01:06:50.280 but like i remember like being like two and a half there literally history proves and i was so young

01:06:58.080 like i wasn't even served a real meal like it was like it was like you know like a little snack or

01:07:03.840 something was being served for me and i remember like four four tortilla chips on a small plate

01:07:09.140 okay covered with just melted cheese and it was like heaven on earth that's so cute a little baby

01:07:17.140 and then i remember through the years okay at casa miguel the greatest thing that i'll like

01:07:21.920 it's like the root you know like the greatest thing they'll like always still trying to get

01:07:25.520 back to is they had a ceramic almost lantern okay on every table and in the lantern were

01:07:32.620 some kind of fire okay i can't remember i don't think it was a candle it was something that

01:07:36.460 created enough heat rests on on top of that lantern a plate okay or like a bowl a plate 0.91

01:07:42.760 and that's where the chips stay to keep them warm the chips are beautiful they are fucking warm 0.99

01:07:49.160 that's amazing they stay warm beautiful okay that's care it's goddamn ecstasy and they replace 0.97

01:07:54.220 your chips and that's what it is and i will never that i will be chasing that wave for the rest of 0.56

01:07:59.780 my life i will never forget that i should get one for home but you know it's the classic thing you

01:08:03.720 know so anyway i'm always trying to get back there so i ordered it and um did some non-deranged

01:08:10.420 eating of it like i had a couple bites the enchilada was like i'm not actually that into

01:08:13.380 into this didn't do the the thing i would like didn't do this yeah like interesting neat neat

01:08:20.140 go past like like make myself sick to like feel something you know yeah yeah uh and um and it's

01:08:27.460 interesting because i'm saying this like the and we might have to cut it all but like just sort of

01:08:32.640 a like functional like sort of deranged relationship to food that like in some ways is glorious and 0.97

01:08:40.400 and totally normal times and other times is like yeah this is like the thing i like to get fucked 0.96

01:08:44.100 up around you know what i mean like we're fucked up drug yeah i think we absolutely do not need to 0.90

01:08:49.800 cut it and we will not cut it because people are completely i think capable of the nuance and 0.95

01:08:55.260 complexity of listening to another person right in whatever they're going through and you know 0.79

01:09:00.100 take what you fucking like and leave the rest or whatever it's like but i ate my chips and i watched 0.78

01:09:06.820 good a tv show and i got my headache hat which is you know like one of those ice hats and um 0.99

01:09:13.160 put it behind my neck and i enjoyed some chips some salsa and this television show stitcher

01:09:20.680 which is about someone with time dysplasia who solves crimes by going into the brains of the

01:09:25.360 dead and looking at their memories it's obviously the kind of thing i'd be interested in well i'm

01:09:29.420 glad you did a nice thing for yourself and took care of yourself but yeah there's no like it's

01:09:34.980 like so then so i let go it's just like it was interesting it was an interesting couple hours

01:09:38.560 it was like oh and then the in the why i was laughing is because like then i like checked

01:09:42.140 my glucose monitor that i'm doing in this in this bid and it was astonishingly low and had been for

01:09:47.420 hours interesting and now remains to be seen and i'd eaten normally like like i did i'd eaten a

01:09:53.620 meal two hours ago i'd eaten a meal three before that like um and so but it could be that the

01:09:59.560 glucose monitor like at the end of the week before you replace it it like like gets less good but

01:10:04.120 Then I completely was like, oh, my God, it's been glucose the whole time.

01:10:07.520 It was glucose the whole time.

01:10:08.300 It was metabolism the whole time.

01:10:09.220 My depression, the whole thing.

01:10:10.560 I'm finally learning.

01:10:11.340 I'm hypoglycemic.

01:10:12.800 And we'll see.

01:10:15.580 We'll see.

01:10:16.700 I feel like I am.

01:10:18.900 It would like, I don't know.

01:10:21.000 It's, yeah, I'm like, now I need a consult with Dr. Berg.

01:10:23.840 I got to go direct to the source.

01:10:25.540 I know. 0.99

01:10:26.300 Yeah, I still need my blood panel, my shit panel, all of it. 0.98

01:10:28.880 I want the panels yesterday. 0.97

01:10:31.240 We got to get the panels.

01:10:32.460 All right, we'll get on that.

01:10:34.120 Anyway, it's been a pleasure.

01:10:35.220 I love you.

01:10:35.620 I'm glad that you talked about everything.

01:10:38.020 And please forgive my recline, my low energy.

01:10:40.980 No, I loved it.

01:10:41.540 I'm here and I'm listening.

01:10:42.180 You were glorious.

01:10:42.620 I'm just enjoying listening to you.

01:10:46.580 Even though I don't enjoy your pain, I enjoy hearing you talk.

01:10:49.460 No, and I'm like not even in pain.

01:10:51.020 You know what I mean?

01:10:51.500 Like I'm fine.

01:10:52.500 It's like it's just like a thing.

01:10:55.440 It's just like –

01:10:56.220 Yeah.

01:10:57.260 I mean that's the one good thing I guess for now.

01:10:59.580 It's a thing.

01:11:00.420 It's like these bad glasses are on my face.

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01:11:05.860 look shitty and then um some of the time i briefly forget i'm wearing the glasses yes that's it yes

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01:11:35.060 oh yeah I've already got a couple nights in mind

01:11:38.680 honey

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - July 26, 2022

Talking About a Tortilla

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