Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Gross Poog

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00:02:08.720 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:10.120 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:11.260 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:16.020 Two untamable intellects.

00:02:17.780 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:02:18.640 This is our hell.

00:02:19.500 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:02:21.780 This is POOG.

00:02:23.000 Today's topics, loosely speaking, canker sores, hemorrhoids, the aesthetics of film.

00:02:32.220 Welcome to the episode.

00:02:33.660 It's night poog.

00:02:36.400 It is Saturday night poog.

00:02:38.700 Saturday night poog, baby.

00:02:40.400 We're each cracking up on a ranch rider spirit, and we're both wearing Jacqueline Hovec merch.

00:02:46.700 We are.

00:02:47.180 Our merch is coming soon.

00:02:48.300 Don't you worry, folks.

00:02:49.060 Don't you worry.

00:02:49.820 If you think we're not talking about it

00:02:52.820 An hour a day for the last year

00:02:55.380 Yes, you're wearing the classic portrait

00:02:59.340 I'm wearing the abstracted line drawing

00:03:01.180 Does Saturday night mean anything anymore?

00:03:04.640 Or to you at least?

00:03:05.560 Such a good question

00:03:06.720 Yes

00:03:07.560 I mean it does

00:03:09.280 Yeah, it does if you have a Monday to Friday job

00:03:13.780 It still retains that power

00:03:14.980 Yeah

00:03:16.620 Yes

00:03:18.180 I think that

00:03:19.820 You know, well, COVID threw everything, you know, into chaos and I don't even know why

00:03:24.660 hanging hang.

00:03:25.420 Yeah.

00:03:25.880 But, oh yeah, crack it.

00:03:27.600 But Saturday night still has a romance to me.

00:03:31.740 Like, yeah, I've got my, my.

00:03:33.320 The Capelance not giving up the romance of Saturday night.

00:03:36.060 No.

00:03:36.460 You would never.

00:03:37.020 I'll never be able to give up the romance.

00:03:39.120 It's true.

00:03:40.420 If I told you like years ago, many years ago, I was like.

00:03:43.640 I'll never drink alone.

00:03:44.540 I got this kind of fixation that if I would ever drink alone, it would mean like the beginning

00:03:48.380 of the end.

00:03:48.800 yeah well they know because they like taught us that it was kind of like and then they had to

00:03:53.600 later be like yeah yeah yeah you can still be it like just because you're grabbing a friend every

00:03:59.080 time no exactly like to cover no i know and i'm like i drink alcohol i'm not a heavy drinker but

00:04:06.980 i've always had this fear of drinking alone like it would somehow like somehow i'd be like

00:04:13.060 ranching and raping in the night like of course you go mad by the sea but here i am similar happy

00:04:20.920 as can be drinking my ranch rider with you on a saturday night alone in my home and guess what 0.99

00:04:26.080 i've been doing can't imagine oh honey i'm watching sex in the city the show i'm going

00:04:30.580 through the original season five the original and running back to the old testament running

00:04:36.400 back to the old testament and there is so much to learn in the text wow the text continues to evolve

00:04:42.300 and fold in on itself and produce new charms.

00:04:46.640 I will say, and perhaps a listener can detect it in my voice,

00:04:50.940 I'm a little under the weather.

00:04:52.220 I, of course, immediately panicked and thought it was COVID.

00:04:54.860 Received a negative PCR today that I took today, so that is a comfort.

00:04:58.960 Throughout the day, I received texts.

00:05:02.980 Upwards of 14 texts.

00:05:04.200 At which point a variety of tests were employed,

00:05:07.440 all of which said negative and all of which you insisted meant absolutely nothing.

00:05:12.300 you're like they mean nothing because like you know i know people who got negatives and were

00:05:18.340 positive yeah and i was like this is what i do in our friendship like i play my role you know

00:05:23.860 what i mean like and i'm like i'm like well you're like i mean statistically surely you're less

00:05:32.100 likely if three different imperfect tests said no yeah that's gotta mean something a couple rapids

00:05:39.600 the pcr the pcr comforts me and then um what happened is that sunday night jacqueline you and

00:05:44.860 i were laughing eating i did what everyone's mother tells them to do in the fourth grade which

00:05:51.120 is not to talk while you eat i was doing that i bit down on my lip so hard due to not bleeding

00:05:58.260 due to talk no you said don't talk well oh okay got it you're saying i was you broke i was talking

00:06:04.440 to you eating shoving the indian food in boom contact how does that happen i don't know but

00:06:13.040 the next morning it happened it happened that night and i was kind of fine the next morning i

00:06:17.420 was i would say fine but it was protruding a bit again and when i tell you that this is one of the

00:06:21.720 most like painful annoying things i've ever had to suffer like truly it's been days i called my

00:06:26.260 doctor i call my dentist i called glendale i called my guy now um and they both said they're

00:06:36.780 like there's nothing you can do you just have to wait it out which is like oh god that's like when

00:06:42.100 they tell you a hot compress he's like take tylenol anything that's hot compress is the

00:06:47.060 solution it's like um i know and so the mouth but your lip was legitimately swollen oh yeah i sent

00:06:53.680 you the pig i was almost like you know like mabel ran across you and her nails are you know her

00:07:00.740 nails are are natural as they say her claws are natural you got a little scritch and a little 0.92

00:07:05.540 scratch and you were like hydrogen or whatever and i was like absolutely absolutely and i'm a

00:07:14.220 classic hypochondriac i i'm a little actually i don't know hypochondriac is the word anymore yeah

00:07:19.200 for me no yeah but this time this time and you're like i think it's infected it's not infected

00:07:25.140 probably whatever i hate to be wrong so i never say anything that explicitly but then you send a

00:07:30.060 pic and it's like huge yeah i'm shocked you didn't go the er with that given god given me it's down

00:07:36.820 you see i've been taking the leave tylenol it's gone down but that's come to define my last couple

00:07:41.840 days eating drinking not fun i mean it's like i really anyway so i just want to give there's also

00:07:48.300 something that i'm holding out and saying because i find it shameful but why or it's like disgusting

00:07:53.020 to me another well my king i have a kink oh you didn't say that i was just about to talk about

00:07:57.380 them and by the way i lied again i have two yeah i know i know isn't it and that's not even like

00:08:05.800 it's because kanker sores are like just so disgusting like something about it i mean it's

00:08:10.260 not something about it it's obviously like indirectly tied to like herpes stigmatism

00:08:13.660 right kanker sore on the tongue that goes along with my cold because classically if your immune

00:08:17.740 system is working over time you can develop a kinkersaur right i've never had something like 0.98

00:08:23.060 this on my time in the classic tradition that hurts so fucking bad are are hell on earth thank 0.91

00:08:29.760 you no you saying that i was texting you and you were like it's pure hell hell and i felt such love 0.98

00:08:34.160 i felt so vindicated no i think like a broken ankle preferable oh i love like throbbing and

00:08:41.840 swollen even if it was throbbing and swollen but you got your foot up like so much happens in the

00:08:47.160 pain it's rude i guess to the broken ankle demon but like yeah it's just feels really wrong like

00:08:54.540 something really wrong is happening i feel so i've double canker sore bitten one but it's like

00:09:00.500 completely out of commission oh it's it's on your it's you're flat on your back i'm flat on my 0.96

00:09:06.360 fucking back i can't have a hot cup of coffee in the morning well that in the lip i can only have 0.98

00:09:11.840 iced now where up where wait i wanted to wait wait wait there's so much happening and i just 0.98

00:09:19.080 want to make a note where where are the canker source okay they're both because it's relevant

00:09:24.000 on the left side of my tongue no okay okay no absolutely yeah yeah that's all the side of the

00:09:31.700 oh yeah the side of the oh honey side of the tongue i mean for something to be going wrong

00:09:37.980 there kind of just draws attention to the fact you have a side of the tongue which you know if

00:09:43.280 all's going well you're not aware of right oh yeah oh i'm hyper aware you know you're not having a

00:09:48.740 lot of somatic i can't i can hardly even suck i went and got a smoothie today picked it up and i 0.52

00:09:53.460 could barely suck on the straw the pain was simply electric 0.92

00:09:58.660 there's also the problem that when you're eating or drinking or doing anything you feel like you've

00:10:06.040 just exacerbated it oh yeah i mean like you feel like you're turn you're taking it back my dentist

00:10:10.740 by the way goes well at your age what excuse me yeah he goes well at your age he goes at your age

00:10:17.240 because the lip bite he's like it just it's gonna take he said that could take two weeks to heal

00:10:21.400 i said dr dr kim don't you dare you mean like past college your immune system plummets is that 0.92

00:10:28.460 what they say yeah i don't even i don't know what the goddamn i don't know but for a doctor to 0.84

00:10:34.220 reference age let's just take a minute with this okay for a doctor to reference age i didn't come 0.95

00:10:39.420 to you for that yeah you know my mother can say well you get older we have more problems you're

00:10:45.100 the expert can we get a little more acute it's like go to the therapist oh this is actually

00:10:51.200 useful this isn't perfect like go to the therapist they go like life's tough you know what i mean it's 0.96

00:10:54.400 like i didn't come here for that for you yeah a bastard friend can tell me that 0.95

00:10:58.440 oh my god i hate well i just i hate common sense advice okay and you know what i really hate and 0.89

00:11:06.920 i feel like i must have brought this up on poog because it just i'm so tired of you know googling

00:11:12.580 something and getting these cornball i mean they do it in the magazines too but they pose you know

00:11:20.320 the thing i'm interested in as a question and can this solve your blah blah blah and then at the

00:11:25.300 end of the article so there's no guarantees that fiber can blah blah blah at the end of the day 0.92

00:11:31.440 but hey you know yeah this at the end of the day shit and we just land back at the status quo i 0.83

00:11:37.580 guess the end of at the end of every article you know can red light heal your blah blah blah 0.99

00:11:43.080 ultimately you know finally down there oh i've been googling of course bitten lip healing bitten

00:11:49.900 that wanted to see a doctor,

00:11:51.360 canker sore healing.

00:11:53.000 And it's like,

00:11:53.300 and it's these,

00:11:54.460 it's just language of the internet,

00:11:55.960 like stock imagery of women in pain.

00:11:58.260 All you can really,

00:11:58.920 you know,

00:11:59.080 it's like,

00:12:00.340 don't eat acidic foods.

00:12:02.100 It's like,

00:12:02.700 I know.

00:12:04.380 I know.

00:12:05.440 It's like,

00:12:06.340 don't,

00:12:07.260 yeah,

00:12:07.540 don't pour fire into your mouth.

00:12:09.500 Yeah.

00:12:10.120 Yeah.

00:12:10.440 Yeah.

00:12:10.600 Well,

00:12:10.780 well,

00:12:11.000 preventative.

00:12:11.740 I mean,

00:12:12.000 I,

00:12:12.280 I mean,

00:12:12.460 I know I've said this before

00:12:13.520 and I just simply cannot not say it again.

00:12:15.920 When you search for a remedy

00:12:17.220 and they decide,

00:12:18.900 hey,

00:12:19.140 yes,

00:12:19.400 for a remedy,

00:12:19.800 let me give you something better preventative medicine for next time burn in hell i'm not here

00:12:25.320 to figure out how to not get a canker sore yeah yeah no i'm here to get rid of it the damage is

00:12:31.200 done but i will say i want to say this in case anyone out there is suffering with a bitten lip

00:12:34.900 my doctor did tell me stop applying antiseptic ointment to it because he said that slows down

00:12:39.540 healing he said something that actually got me excited you were putting antiseptic on like on

00:12:45.360 just for a day membrane part of your lip like the interior it's meant for lips it's like inner mouth

00:12:51.200 yeah it's called like freaking kanka it's like for kanker sores okay i'm sorry i can't stop with 0.56

00:12:58.100 like cackles today because i love it's called freak it's called freaking kanka

00:13:02.840 by the way kanka so i remember when i had the last time i can remember having painful cold

00:13:11.980 source was truly in the eighth grade and i remember because we went to washington dc

00:13:15.380 and i was at the holocaust museum in so much pain because of my canker sore

00:13:18.560 and my mother gave me canka i remember my friend saw canka and was like what the fuck is canka

00:13:24.640 i feel like i've never heard of it wait wait no but he said i was putting it on canka 0.92

00:13:33.600 i was putting it on the bite and he said stop he said that creates a barrier and then he said

00:13:38.540 and this got me excited he was like the antibodies in your saliva are what will heal it you don't

00:13:43.980 want to create a barrier well that's what you know this is one of these everybody are you tired of

00:13:47.860 this well that's why we lick our wounds like one of those facts our favorite oh my god well animals

00:13:54.240 lick their wounds because because of course saliva actually has healing properties you know and it's

00:14:00.380 But they do say, the mouth heals fastest, and yet here you are.

00:14:07.960 Well, yeah, that's the thing.

00:14:08.820 I've always clung to that in the night.

00:14:10.860 I've always been like, the mouth heals fastest when I'm ready.

00:14:12.060 Wait, but is a cold sore the same as a canker sore?

00:14:14.600 Apparently not anymore because my mouth is purely on fire.

00:14:18.220 I'm trying to think.

00:14:18.800 No, there was a period where I got a canker sore or I got two or something,

00:14:22.680 or I got one and then I had another later, side of the tongue. 0.99

00:14:25.960 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:14:26.640 and you know you look in there like expecting you're going to see some like monstrosity it 0.99

00:14:31.640 was kind of just like barely see it you're just how is that creating so much pain and then i can't

00:14:36.840 even see one of them i just feel the pain like slipped into a vein impulse just in case anyone's

00:14:43.500 picturing some big gross canker sore like one of mine i can't even see one of mine it just looks

00:14:48.880 like a pink tongue i can't even see it and you're like well in fact mine as well well it's like me

00:14:54.440 It's like me back in the hemorrhoid days

00:14:56.740 Can't believe we haven't even discussed this

00:14:57.740 Oh my god we haven't

00:14:58.820 What do you mean

00:14:59.260 Are you shocked

00:14:59.820 The hemorrhoid days

00:15:01.460 My hemorrhoid days

00:15:02.880 Okay

00:15:04.340 And by hemorrhoid days I mean

00:15:06.480 Trying to stress that they were internal

00:15:08.880 Oh right

00:15:09.760 Like to anyone I had a conversation with

00:15:11.240 Which is so rude 0.99

00:15:12.160 Oh my ass 0.99

00:15:12.360 Yeah 1.00

00:15:12.660 Yeah they're not like

00:15:14.160 Because my only association with them

00:15:15.980 I'm there right now

00:15:17.040 It's just a chime in and go

00:15:17.760 I've actually never had one

00:15:18.980 Which is rude

00:15:19.860 Of course you do

00:15:20.960 Well it's shocking to me

00:15:22.940 That I never have

00:15:23.820 Well, right, given the constipation

00:15:26.180 Given going blue in the face

00:15:28.200 Oh no

00:15:33.760 Oh no

00:15:36.060 I'm never going to get laid

00:15:38.200 For my podcast, no

00:15:39.720 Well, well, no

00:15:41.480 Well, honey, the act

00:15:44.040 You know, like, choosing comedy

00:15:46.020 Killed us from the start

00:15:48.260 We had 0.86

00:15:48.680 Choosing clowning

00:15:51.080 Can you believe it? 0.98

00:15:53.140 yeah fools nobody wants a funny gal really we love it we've one of my early jokes or you know

00:16:00.460 notions because you know my website of course is jokesnovac.com it's just sort of about like 0.98

00:16:04.820 feeling unmarriageable yeah by doing comedy and just being like I'm jokesnovac to the like

00:16:11.860 potential like husband's father like that it's just like not wanting to welcome in someone named

00:16:17.080 jokes know back into your family anyway so oh but but but but but but but what was he saying 0.99

00:16:28.040 you're talking about your asshole i believe so the hemorrhoid days and the way i say hemorrhoid 0.99

00:16:34.920 days to distance myself from it even now you know i mean like hemorrhoid is like you know taboo 1.00

00:16:40.420 unfortunately despite it being one of the most common common afflictions you know but yeah

00:16:45.420 internal what i learned like was actually technically they were external because

00:16:50.100 even if they're not visible on the outside it's like if they're like an inch in that's still

00:16:56.940 technically external but yeah like it's it started with i'd be surprised if i haven't told this story

00:17:02.560 on our podcast but i was taking antidepressants in college hello all right anytime anything falls

00:17:11.740 I think a death inside the home

00:17:14.560 I think accident inside the home

00:17:16.140 You're safer on a plane

00:17:17.740 Than your own home

00:17:19.900 That's true

00:17:21.740 You're definitely safer on a plane than your own home

00:17:24.300 I mean it's literally true

00:17:25.320 Like statistically

00:17:26.220 As we know from watching Six Feet Under

00:17:29.620 Brilliantly laid out

00:17:31.700 But

00:17:32.200 So taking antidepressants

00:17:35.300 Completely stopped up

00:17:37.160 Digestion

00:17:37.860 And eventually blood

00:17:41.000 and i mean you can imagine now then you start googling and they go if it's bright red

00:17:47.200 hang on if the hemorrhoid is bright red no no the blood on your toilet paper on your toilet tissue

00:17:53.620 can you imagine the shock the first time told my cousin to ask my nurse aunt about it this is

00:18:01.380 shocking and then you start the initiation into a given ailment like the giveaway that you have

00:18:06.760 hemorrhoids if you know how to spell it you know yeah like oops is there an h i mean besides the

00:18:13.280 first one it's like yeah yeah definitely a hemorrhoid hemorrhoid hemorrhoid wait so you

00:18:18.840 want it to be bright red red red more like topical versus like a dark like i think the dark is more

00:18:24.660 like coming from deeper or something yeah that's probably if it's bright red sarah silverman always 0.99

00:18:30.620 had sarah silverman had a funny joke about like being your asshole and being like i'm not done 1.00

00:18:36.740 And, like, it's not just that you want it to be clean, the toilet paper. 1.00

00:18:40.700 You want, like, she's like, I won't stop till there's blood. 0.99

00:18:43.220 Oh, genius. 1.00

00:18:43.860 Until you rubbed so raw.

00:18:45.400 Yeah.

00:18:46.740 Anyway, I'm paraphrasing here.

00:18:47.960 Continue.

00:18:48.480 Well, that's where we go.

00:18:50.080 My cousin always points this out, Jack.

00:18:51.840 Like, the insanity of dry toilet paper as the only thing that is used throughout the day. 0.99

00:18:57.240 He's like, if you got a little, like, shit on your arm, like, out in the world. 0.98

00:19:00.200 Yeah, you would never wipe it off. 0.99

00:19:01.080 Take a tissue.

00:19:03.080 Wipe it off and, like, go on.

00:19:04.300 That's why we all need bidets.

00:19:05.660 and my dream of life is to have a dedicated bidet not one attached to the toilet but a dedicated

00:19:10.960 how rude considering one was sent to us sorry sorry to interrupt but but one that is attached

00:19:16.160 to the toilet was sent to us no by the way i've been afraid i and i and i think tushy i have been

00:19:23.320 afraid to install it but i will it is tushy right that's what's called yeah we thank tushy for

00:19:30.860 sending us bidets and i will install it in the calendar year that's about all i can promise

00:19:35.880 right now maybe we install is it together like i don't know i it would be very satisfying install

00:19:43.420 it um little sniffle you have there yeah i know we both have covid yeah um

00:19:53.780 we should throw it a break all right when we come back we can talk about my doctor's visit

00:20:00.860 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:20:07.360 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:20:12.560 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:20:16.580 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:20:17.920 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:20:21.560 No, I am not your guru.

00:20:25.320 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:20:27.940 I lied to police.

00:20:29.220 I lied to everybody.

00:20:29.980 There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

00:20:33.200 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:20:35.860 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:20:38.680 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:20:42.040 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:20:44.940 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:20:46.620 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:20:49.560 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:20:52.600 Boom, boom. 0.97

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00:21:34.240 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:21:37.740 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories.

00:21:44.220 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriends Spotlight. 0.98

00:21:51.320 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.97

00:21:53.760 I'm going to climb this.

00:21:56.260 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:21:58.260 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:22:02.360 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:22:04.840 Is badness hereditary?

00:22:06.860 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:22:09.000 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:22:11.820 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

00:22:14.740 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:22:16.460 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:22:19.480 I'm not too intimidated by her.

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00:22:41.580 So, blood on the toilet paper,

00:22:45.220 and I'm home from college in some capacity,

00:22:51.600 And so I book an appointment with a local gastro ent, as they're called.

00:22:56.840 Those freaks.

00:22:57.820 Yeah.

00:22:58.280 And I go in.

00:23:00.480 They stick a clear plastic tube in.

00:23:05.880 Almost like a speculum, but it's clear plastic so they can see the walls.

00:23:09.620 And I don't know, shine a light in there.

00:23:11.980 I think they, I think they, I don't know if they could see anything or not, whatever.

00:23:15.540 But there certainly wasn't anything concerning down there other than, I honestly can't remember.

00:23:18.900 They're like hemorrhoid.

00:23:19.460 so the guy literally said look i could stick a sigmoid flex up there but if you were my daughter

00:23:25.760 i'd tell you to just go home and not worry about it oh my god bolstered by the mood disorder uh

00:23:32.460 laying waste to my life at the time but i said sign me up yeah yeah i will not i need to know

00:23:40.760 and so i i had a sigmoid flex which is like a half colonoscopy it doesn't go

00:23:48.520 they like gape you all the way it doesn't go as deep but it is you on your side a camera

00:23:54.880 you know i've signed up for two like two colonoscopies and chickened out

00:23:57.700 and one of them the most recent one was like a few years ago and they were like

00:24:02.100 it was halloween day and i was like oh jesus christ like today's the day

00:24:07.540 what a day the nurses in costumes exactly the doctor who thinks he's above the costumes doing

00:24:16.120 little more than than i had well i had the horrible thing i'm breaking in on your story but when i was

00:24:21.280 like i'm gonna get a colonoscopy and it was this doctor i'd never met before and it was the classic

00:24:26.140 thing where i went up and it was like a young handsome doctor wow and he was like so what seems

00:24:31.520 a problem i was like nothing here sir you know and then and then just like within moments his 0.99

00:24:36.520 hands up my ass poking around poking around loving the glove finger did you say loving it no glove 0.99

00:24:43.460 imagine if they went no glove 1.00

00:24:48.760 like well that's what the fucking abusers do you what do you mean they take the glove off right 0.99

00:24:58.000 before they put it on in front of you and then when you can't see they take it off and then 0.99

00:25:01.940 that's horrifying it's not horrifying and then you feel a fingernail oh god i mean is there

00:25:08.520 It's a greater reminder than that being a real hand, than a fingernail. 0.99

00:25:13.980 That shit better be short because if you can feel that through a glove. 0.99

00:25:17.160 Oh, God. 1.00

00:25:18.080 Unacceptable.

00:25:19.240 Oh, God.

00:25:20.520 Gosh, I wonder if, I mean, if his looks,

00:25:24.380 if his looks are keeping patience away, then that's a problem.

00:25:29.420 Well, I was frozen in my tracks.

00:25:33.180 Really 1940s of you.

00:25:35.500 I know.

00:25:36.000 He's like, it says here you're a comedian. 0.98

00:25:37.920 I was like oh well you know yeah damn you write comedian I don't think I wrote comedian no right 0.99

00:25:45.040 because we've talked about that you're like never yeah I'm like I'm like an ass doctor intake form 0.99

00:25:49.440 I'm not like I'm a comedian jokes I'm actually here for research for my act oh literal hell

00:25:56.080 oh yeah always the question this will go in no it won't have you ever been like one guy was really

00:26:05.040 pushing it the guy that created my my foot mold he was really really pushing it

00:26:10.000 and i can't help myself my commitment to the truth at times okay yeah yeah where i'll go so far

00:26:17.960 if you really push i'll finally be like i don't see my quote material as things i've scavenged

00:26:25.060 yeah scavenger oh i walk around looking for funny things i grab them and then i sell them as my own

00:26:29.900 wears yeah i'm not doing i'm not on the beach looking for glass what's it called what's it

00:26:36.840 called sea glass or sea glass like i had a childhood fascination with sea glasses we all did

00:26:42.760 well the the the implication the implication i want to discuss the implication that you're you're

00:26:48.760 walking around like a scavenger and they're gonna they're gonna help you get home earlier that day

00:26:55.840 They're going to give you, oh, I got a bushel of berries here.

00:26:59.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:00.360 You can quit early today.

00:27:02.120 Honey, if it were that easy.

00:27:03.180 I'm like, actually, I find that, and this is the way I sometimes say it,

00:27:06.160 a little gentler while also deeply pretentious.

00:27:09.440 I'm like, I generally find that things that are already funny

00:27:12.960 are not interesting in comedy. 0.99

00:27:16.500 Damn. 0.99

00:27:17.360 I'm like, actually, it's my perspective applied to the mundane. 0.98

00:27:20.960 So thank you very much.

00:27:23.540 That's a good way of putting it.

00:27:24.840 gilding the lily a bit don't you think doctor indeed gilding the lily what an expression favorite

00:27:32.940 am i right yeah that's one of those ones every time i hear it i love it i intend to incorporate

00:27:37.180 it and i don't think it's come out of my mouth once and i'm furious oh yeah i incorporate i

00:27:41.500 would say six times a year i use it once every two months you think here's the question is it

00:27:47.740 once every two months or is it every four months you use it like a month burst two times or whatever

00:27:53.820 probably i think maybe like once every two months i bust it out go hard i should have a chart with

00:28:01.000 like certain turns of phrase so i can keep track of who i've said it to so i don't make the mistake

00:28:05.340 oh god yeah god i have a question about contemporary fiction about oh contemporary 0.94

00:28:11.900 fiction i feel like there's a lot of contemporary fiction out there now i'm just talking shit no

00:28:16.820 wait i want to get into it i'm just here's the thing what is contemporary fiction no no i was

00:28:21.420 gonna say and i've enjoyed some of these books okay but i'm a little over this trend in this

00:28:27.360 contemporary fiction thing of the woman who's biting off half a pill and going about her 0.99

00:28:35.380 fucked up day well we were wanting to fuck everything in sight and being all mixed up inside 0.99

00:28:44.400 oh do you know what i'm okay i'm like by the way these books i'm reading them i'm going 0.99

00:28:51.820 some great pros in here oh what a fabulous turn of phrase person clearly highly competent writer

00:28:57.440 but i'm just a little done with it folks no no no because uh there's sort of an in there's sort of a

00:29:04.640 i'm pausing because i'm going am i doing this in my own work which is always

00:29:09.000 no you know a great way to end the conversation but like but it's like yeah it's this thing of 1.00

00:29:14.140 hey a woman does have an interior and we're gonna show it to you without apology you know women have

00:29:21.940 sexual hunger you know like i'm like uh-huh i well right exhausted anytime the not new is

00:29:32.720 presented that way i guess yeah no but it's very specific and i i i'm not going to reference any

00:29:38.040 anything specific no i'm not going to either i'm staring at a book that's right now on my table

00:29:41.780 that i'm enjoying i'm actually enjoying one suspended behind my and i will read it and i

00:29:46.440 will read it and i have profound respect for these writers and writing is held so hard yeah you know

00:29:52.620 no to get anything out again i'm talking about imagistic stuff i'm like this is a totally

00:29:57.780 hyper competent novel i'm just exhausted with that protagonist i just don't i'm just i think

00:30:06.080 i'm more exhausted with it in film in some ways oh well film it's been the last 30 years

00:30:11.600 30 years where i actually if i see a woman eating pizza on film i'll turn off the movie

00:30:17.780 if i see a woman dangling a piece of pepperoni in the mouth i'm turning it off they're still 0.60

00:30:23.320 doing it though jack and also i mean i dare you do they take a bite because i mean these i just

00:30:28.860 can't believe they still do this with these scenes okay where you watch a dinner scene it goes cuts

00:30:33.300 back and forth minutes and minutes are passing and no actual bite is taken yeah how is that

00:30:38.480 this is a big question for me like why is no one saying anything on set here's another big one have

00:30:44.180 i brought this up when a word is mispronounced by an actor no okay no you have a word is

00:30:49.460 mispronounced by an actor in a scene i'm like so did no one did they just not want to take it again

00:30:57.300 did they feel is there a specific word you're thinking of that oh i see it all the time give

00:31:02.400 me one give me one what if what if i like i'm like i see it all the time it's because i don't

00:31:06.100 know how to pronounce it anything so i'm shocked give me one i don't know i can't think of a single

00:31:10.920 one okay but i i see it and then i'm immediately you know i'm taken out by the way people like

00:31:15.240 claiming i'm sorry it took me out which i've claimed many times like you were ever in yeah

00:31:20.320 yeah oh my god wait yeah who is this sorry i'm interrupting here because this is this is this is

00:31:27.980 this is a huge thing of cinema why people are okay there's this idea that like surround sound

00:31:34.220 in a movie theater is in a way the death of cinema because the whole point of film is that

00:31:37.320 you are aware of its artificiality. There it is folks. It's like this idea of immersive like

00:31:43.100 the Marvel film ostensibly yes you can appreciate this is a fantasy whatever but this hyper immersive

00:31:48.160 idea is actually like comfort cinema it's something else it's not a movie right the

00:31:54.440 whole idea of film as an art is that you're aware of the plastic nature of it. You're aware of the

00:31:59.240 frame these mechanisms yes it is a film you're not supposed to disappear it's okay to know that

00:32:05.160 it's a film you should know that it's a film that's why it's impressive is that it's a film

00:32:10.260 right was when those people you know the classic thing okay when those people you know screamed at

00:32:14.900 the train it's like this classic like textbook early film thing that the people like trains

00:32:21.180 moving towards the audience and also like they act almost a little bit like can you believe these 0.99

00:32:26.940 fools like i mean you get it you have to understand it and people still wince at shit in movies like 0.96

00:32:31.400 it's actually not totally gone well i want to reply to this it is a gross misunderstanding 1.00

00:32:36.460 of what art is when there's an attempt to what if it was a novel but you but but the pages were

00:32:47.560 scented oh my god it's like yeah and then look i mean there are at the same time obviously you

00:32:55.320 know moving off of one kind of art by doing something weird can can lead to a new form blah 0.99

00:33:01.160 blah blah it's why it's why listen everyone with vr remember when remember when people gave a shit

00:33:06.240 about vr by the way and that was the next big thing by the way i'm proud because i went it

00:33:11.180 won't stick people are going vr narrative vr that's the future a story where you can choose

00:33:16.980 your adventure and each person is literal no you want to watch you want to watch a narrative 0.99

00:33:22.880 unfold in vr you sick fuck vr makes sense for for games and pornography yes like like absolutely 0.99

00:33:30.320 vr like absolutely not and there was this moment do you remember that there was i remember where 0.99

00:33:35.540 everyone was right it was like the vr wars and everyone was like we're gonna make a tv show and

00:33:39.600 literally i sat i sat in a couple rooms okay being like trying to be like now here's how you make it

00:33:45.460 here's how it's meaningful because it's a it did not take and i'm so glad it's a fundamental lack

00:33:51.900 of understanding about aesthetics lack of imagination lack of understanding of what a

00:33:56.980 story is as if that's yeah the limitation of the medium it produces the medium yes imagine if they

00:34:03.820 were like we're gonna improve gymnastics by having the beam the beam is gonna be a mechanical thing

00:34:09.460 that when the gymnast starts to fall it catches genius it catches them now we're really seeing

00:34:14.280 someone's like yeah yeah it's absolute it's not perfect but no the restriction produces it that's

00:34:21.360 what it is it it it is figures dancing on a screen you know it's not you're not confused

00:34:27.320 if they're really there or not what uh david man it's three uses of the knife talk about like

00:34:32.260 saying a word six times a year so it's like i always really like this idea oh please i've

00:34:37.860 never read it don't tell when i drink the bubbles the air the bubbles come up in my throat where's

00:34:43.520 your ranch rider how far are you along i finished mine what oh yeah i must have been talking too

00:34:50.380 much hold on no i just i drink so quickly liquids just pour down my throat they just pour down my

00:34:56.800 throat so people talk about something blatantly fake quote taking them out of a movie or an

00:35:02.480 experience right right oh you can see the string hanging that the plane is whatever okay yeah and

00:35:09.080 what i liked was that he pointed out that if it's too real they can also take you out oh yeah okay

00:35:15.500 so if you're like that guy's actually bleeding or they're actually having sex right like there's

00:35:21.560 literally no way they could fake that or whatever interesting where you're worried for the actor's

00:35:26.880 life or whatever it's like oh i have another example this sex on film is one of the most

00:35:31.820 well historical failures of civilization civilization it's actually humiliation it is

00:35:37.920 it's a humiliation it's been rendered completely irrelevant and unneeded and i would argue in my 0.90

00:35:43.080 experience the only filmmaker who i think deserves sex on screen is andrew arnold she's the only one

00:35:48.060 that's been able to capture it for me um historically all others have failed and produced

00:35:52.640 actually non-sex well also i don't necessarily require that i'm not like when will a film

00:35:59.600 capture what sex is really like i'm not right i don't ask that no of course when will film

00:36:05.460 capture what eating a meal is really like is that why you go to the the theater you know what i

00:36:10.560 and like yeah so when it's too real it can take you out you know what it reminds me of

00:36:14.580 i i have certain lessons i've picked up from from films and you know they might not be the

00:36:19.460 greatest films they might be the greatest who who knows but i'm i take it where i take it right

00:36:23.880 like i have two one is i've regularly referenced something from beautiful mind okay that i find

00:36:29.540 like useful in life and i'll share it shortly never caught it fair enough i mean but continue

00:36:34.300 and uh and then the other one i was gonna say oh right it's relevant here a movie i actually

00:36:39.480 love the prestige okay what is that the nolan classic it's oh i haven't seen it's christian

00:36:47.680 bale he's a magician oh and let's just i don't want to spoil anything but let's just say there's

00:36:54.120 a magician and he has a trick that is so magical so so impossible that it actually fails in front

00:37:04.040 of people the magician actually has to make it look a little bit more easy to have been faked

00:37:08.820 for them to stay in it the artifice must be present oh so like if for example i that's

00:37:16.900 right right like you need you need the hand to pass over the other hand to produce something

00:37:21.560 magical it can't just appear yes or people will scream the devil is risen okay or they'll think 0.98

00:37:29.860 they're having a psychotic break like yeah yeah oh my god hence the magician's need for a foolish 0.85

00:37:37.360 top hat i mean why the hell are those men wearing top hats oh my god there's that piece so i love 0.84

00:37:44.600 that i love that oh you got to make it less real for you know i gotta go back and watch some like

00:37:49.960 street magic people screaming shocked oh yeah yeah the cornballness is essential and then

00:37:56.820 you want to know my beautiful mind one oh yeah yeah yeah go he's a um

00:38:01.660 literally pausing to go is schizophrenic even the term anymore i don't know but

00:38:08.080 so he dissociative identity disorder i don't know but he's he sees the group of people with him that

00:38:13.880 are not there right he fights with this throughout the movie it's you know a major issue

00:38:19.660 and me pitching it so he fights with this throughout the movie and it's a major issue

00:38:24.780 in his life as you can imagine i mean just throws things a beautiful mind wouldn't best picture

00:38:27.980 something won

00:38:29.740 because I remember the

00:38:31.220 it was all over the Oscars

00:38:32.540 Nash the real guy

00:38:33.320 I think was there

00:38:34.100 you know towards

00:38:35.180 the end of the movie

00:38:35.900 he's unable to

00:38:37.380 eradicate

00:38:38.540 the presence of

00:38:39.680 these imaginary

00:38:40.340 or you know

00:38:41.300 whatever you want to call

00:38:41.900 them beings right

00:38:42.820 instead he

00:38:43.620 basically like

00:38:44.500 learns to live with them

00:38:45.420 and make peace with them

00:38:46.700 and I find

00:38:48.520 I found that very

00:38:49.560 I found that a pretty good 0.99

00:38:50.900 fucking 0.99

00:38:51.540 depression metaphor 1.00

00:38:52.640 like

00:38:53.300 totally

00:38:53.960 okay I might not

00:38:55.180 I could spend my whole life

00:38:56.760 trying to

00:38:57.220 you know full eradication or i could or i can say hi invite them in that's the classic is it

00:39:07.920 roca or whatever it's like invite them in yeah it's always a real god it's like your house it's

00:39:13.020 always real god i gotta return you know it's like your mind is this house and people visit and

00:39:17.180 sometimes they're you know it's like these demons visit and then joy visits and it's like you just

00:39:21.220 have to let the visitations come and they're going to leave well right what you resist persists of

00:39:27.340 course etc you know caveat of biochemical issues of course of course oh you had a parasite in your

00:39:34.000 gut for six years and you're depressed whatever it was inflammation the whole time you know that's

00:39:39.300 the whole thing now it's like it's everything's inflammation yeah i say now i'm pretty sure they

00:39:43.600 introduced this idea to the public 20 years ago but it's all inflammation it's all inflammation

00:39:48.940 though god i literally read something that was like so i guess it's green tea again i cannot

00:39:54.780 for the life of me start a green tea practice i mean basic just drink eight glasses a day who's

00:40:00.900 telling you that i don't know the internet it was um i had i had a pretty staunch matcha practice

00:40:07.060 for a while well i know i mean i know i mean what a cliche i mean ceremonial grade ceremonial grade

00:40:15.680 Of course we've been through this.

00:40:17.700 Well, no, we've only been through the procuring.

00:40:20.240 Stealing, ceremonial grade matcha, yeah.

00:40:23.660 I wonder if the people understand that AG Greens, AG One,

00:40:28.160 didn't send more, and so I'm off them.

00:40:31.220 I still have AG because I did subscribe,

00:40:35.540 so I have my own subscription that I paused.

00:40:38.960 I have a friend, a good friend, who reached out to say she subscribed,

00:40:42.520 and it was really comforting in this way.

00:40:45.380 okay I was like I can make no promises but at least we're going and do it together and that

00:40:49.660 on its own meaningful absolutely I was thinking about this I was imagining a future where you

00:40:57.560 know they come out and they say like literally every single antidepressant was a sugar pill the

00:41:02.660 whole fucking time like absolutely whatever okay and I was thinking about like I have this fantasy

00:41:09.400 that yes you know at a certain year the cocktail came together I finally figured out the right 0.95

00:41:14.620 meds and that fixed everything you know what i mean and i was thinking like again about one who

00:41:18.960 cares right and also like placebo doesn't it make sense makes sense that okay if you gave the sugar

00:41:26.200 pill like 10 different names for those people that have some deep belief that like they're not

00:41:31.360 gonna get it right on the first one uh-huh then it's useful right right right right so it'd be

00:41:36.020 like okay we're gonna try you on i mean do you remember in um in birdcage you've probably only

00:41:42.460 seen uh they cause your food oh please okay oh i'll remember whatever you're about to reference

00:41:50.220 in birdcage oh good because well it's huge in my family my mother's constantly saying it's so great

00:41:55.640 from the end at the wedding bob dole is gorgeous or whatever i don't know i don't remember that

00:42:01.800 it's just it's like it's like basically in the credits he probably ran out to

00:42:05.800 Tuck in, do another Janus

00:42:08.280 Janus film or whatever

00:42:09.740 But Nathan Lane's character

00:42:12.140 They give him these

00:42:13.380 What they call his Pirin tablets

00:42:15.880 When he's having these panic attacks

00:42:17.360 He's like, I need one of my Pirin tablets

00:42:19.640 And it's like aspirin, but they've rubbed off 0.97

00:42:21.600 The A and the S

00:42:22.440 For his nerves 0.99

00:42:24.860 It's perfect

00:42:26.520 But anyway, I was like

00:42:27.980 Okay, well what if somewhere deep in me

00:42:30.460 I believe that there's no way I was going to get it right

00:42:32.320 On the first medicine

00:42:33.600 so i need the existence of multiple sugar pills under the under different names

00:42:38.540 i don't know i found that kind of compelling me imagining defending my antidepressant use in the

00:42:46.360 future hell i'm sorry here's some of this fatigue setting in which is what led me to think i had

00:42:52.560 covid last night i was out i was out cold at 9 p.m you make me laugh and smile you know i learned

00:43:01.500 the difference between fatigue and sleepiness sleepiness it's when you're like falling asleep

00:43:08.080 like i'm i gotta go to sleep fatigue is just like full body at any point yeah fatigue is something

00:43:14.500 else it doesn't actually mean you need to sleep yeah oh yeah i realized totally no that's that's

00:43:21.280 that's a big one i mean it's really significant in terms of like depression and stuff right i mean

00:43:26.180 frankly i experienced both yeah you know sleeping and then and then when not sleeping fatigued

00:43:33.140 fatigued i'm laughing at fatigued because it's like it's got it's got an old school quality to

00:43:39.660 it it does oh but i should finish up about the sigmoid flex really oh yeah continue it's kind

00:43:46.980 of exciting i go in i lay on my side sigmoid sigmoid sigmoid flex okay it's a flexible i

00:43:55.200 a tube that goes in there's a camera i think i could see the tv screen which of course i loved

00:44:01.520 whoa and

00:44:05.040 they're like clean as a whistle about your colon they're like look at this beautiful

00:44:09.840 colon whatever you know what i mean like that kind of thing

00:44:25.200 i i do feel like there's something character building about an ailment that you think

00:44:31.560 i could never like vanity wise could never survive and like being like you know see it

00:44:39.000 like if they could see whatever like i would die and i'm like no it's fine who cares i don't know

00:44:43.820 it's whatever see like your colon no sorry sorry i just mean like if i had full whatever external

00:44:50.900 head rights i don't know i don't know if i i'm there yet i guess i'm just i'm trying to force 1.00

00:44:55.380 a point which is one of the ugliest uh bits of uh work a woman can do force a point jesus that she

00:45:03.780 don't believe saturday night i'm just really not okay with what's happening here my face is starting

00:45:15.000 gonna drop here i mean this is covid this cheek falling it is yeah this is writer strong and i

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00:47:48.000 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:47:54.080 I haven't heard that symptom.

00:47:57.940 Oh, do I just mean since Godfrey?

00:47:59.400 I can't see anything, but you are blurry.

00:48:03.380 Oh, wait, wait, wait.

00:48:03.880 We're going to go to break.

00:48:04.540 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:13.140 You know what I'm not sure we've ever discussed on the podcast?

00:48:16.040 And I don't, and the last act's probably not the time.

00:48:18.880 But the manifestation trend.

00:48:23.440 Oh.

00:48:24.360 We haven't even gone there.

00:48:26.040 We haven't.

00:48:26.980 Because it's, you know, kind of a douche topic outside of the home, right?

00:48:31.100 Yeah, there's a lot of manifestation is a lightning rod, that word.

00:48:36.500 And an irritating one when you first access it and then constantly hear it.

00:48:43.680 I remember it was genius.

00:48:45.840 Oh, wait, have you started watching Yellow Jackets yet?

00:48:48.480 No, I still haven't.

00:48:49.280 We can't talk about it yet.

00:48:50.540 I'll wait, I'll wait.

00:48:51.820 But you need to. 1.00

00:48:53.380 Because I really enjoy female violence. 1.00

00:48:55.660 It's important. 1.00

00:48:56.120 and talk about what I want to see on film.

00:48:58.140 People love it.

00:48:59.540 They do?

00:49:00.960 Yellow jackets, I haven't seen it. 1.00

00:49:03.420 This is like gross poog, 0.99

00:49:04.740 where like shitting, canker sores, hemorrhoids, 0.99

00:49:09.460 the colon. 1.00

00:49:10.340 Sex on film. 1.00

00:49:11.980 Sex on film, congestion. 0.99

00:49:14.920 How do you feel about ear cleaning

00:49:16.300 while we're in the orifices?

00:49:18.420 I completely, I draw the line,

00:49:20.900 ear candling these like things

00:49:23.080 that they advertise to you on the internet

00:49:25.400 to like scoop out your ears i'm like absolutely not well you don't need to do that you know they

00:49:32.760 feature this in some kind of romantic comedy where there's a girl and by girl i mean uma thurman

00:49:38.520 she's dating a guy and her therapist happens to be the guy's mother and the therapist realizes

00:49:44.220 this before before she does so she's in there talking about like fun the guy she's dating is 0.83

00:49:49.280 like penis she's like i just want to knit it a little hat or something okay the therapist is 0.72

00:49:54.580 horrified whatever and she's like there's something that was like he told me he's never 0.95

00:49:59.240 cleaned his ears and she was upset about it and like the therapist starts going really hard about

00:50:04.760 like you could damage your ears massively it's so funny the ear cleans itself unless you have

00:50:10.400 some kind of problem then you go to a specialist okay but otherwise you do not go poking things in

00:50:14.180 there you know that's like what my mother would say me too and i was wondering if it was sort of

00:50:18.780 a held belief inside of the Jewish

00:50:20.860 culture. Yeah.

00:50:22.640 You know what I mean? Like nothing bigger than

00:50:24.660 an elbow.

00:50:26.440 Wait, what? Isn't like a phrase

00:50:28.660 like nothing goes in there bigger than an elbow.

00:50:30.960 Smaller than an elbow, right?

00:50:32.440 I mean smaller than an elbow.

00:50:34.160 Well, like nothing should go in there almost, right?

00:50:36.480 Nothing should go in there, meaning?

00:50:38.400 Yeah. So ear cleaning, you don't do it.

00:50:41.500 I do

00:50:42.220 Q-tips. No, that's what I mean.

00:50:45.520 Is that the first

00:50:46.320 yawn on poop?

00:50:48.780 It's a little doubtful.

00:50:53.380 Okay, wait, yes, I use Q-tips.

00:50:55.420 Why am I congested?

00:50:56.360 This is humiliating.

00:50:57.980 I know, we're, like, both developing COVID on air.

00:51:02.140 And then we just descend into fatigue and madness.

00:51:05.380 It's really possible.

00:51:07.540 What if, yeah, what if Pook fully became, like,

00:51:10.160 the podcast that started as a joke

00:51:11.980 and then became the, you know, quintessential COVID story?

00:51:17.440 i know it's too dark i mean it's not but it is what it is i guess i'm drawing cubes with my

00:51:24.240 spare hands that i do i draw cubes cubes and and you know perspective like rectangles oh yeah

00:51:31.960 yeah yeah like i'm still blown away by when we were like taught that in seventh grade in this

00:51:36.960 like weird class it's magical yeah it's shocking it is it is crazy you can produce dimensions like

00:51:43.340 that there it is i think it's cool no it is and so i just but i'm tired it's balloons and cubes

00:51:49.920 and then cube balloons for me and it's been that for you write your name oh yeah me too baby and

00:51:55.840 heart balloons too i do my name i do hearts what else do i do i do abstractions oh abstractions

00:52:03.080 of course in kindergarten we had this journal that every day we had to draw a single drawing

00:52:08.640 in i think we had to title it and then that was it so it was these kind of wonderful marker based

00:52:14.700 shiny page journals and mine would often be abstract and then i would title them design

00:52:20.900 but it was always d-i-z-u-n which is not a charming detail so cute except for to me

00:52:29.060 I was like, and me

00:52:31.500 Your mother

00:52:33.560 I wonder

00:52:38.540 God, I just

00:52:40.740 Yes, I want to do past life regressions

00:52:43.520 You know, do the work myself

00:52:45.060 I also wouldn't mind just a classic

00:52:47.740 Hyper talented

00:52:49.440 Psychic to just tell us what it was

00:52:51.720 Give it straight, I know

00:52:53.180 And you and me, like we go together

00:52:54.580 And we demand, we're like, we know

00:52:57.080 i know we've had lives before there's no way i have a friend who didn't i tell you she recommended

00:53:02.560 someone who who can tell you 250 a pop yeah if he goes a group yeah 350 for two if it's a shared

00:53:09.880 past maybe if he pop his website up on the insta if you go past life us what's the first thing that

00:53:16.560 comes to mind like just try to remember yeah you and i together that's what i've been talking about

00:53:21.800 the whole time you sometimes when you talk about you as a little girl i get very excited like you're

00:53:25.320 my daughter i find it very sweet but it's not that simple i know i wasn't your mother yeah but

00:53:29.840 i think we were young girls who were maybe my first instinct that we were very young girls

00:53:35.540 wait wait i know you're thinking of i'm not sure oh no i was just imagining us in some hideous

00:53:42.620 bluebeard level scenario monstrous man that we were like dear friends as children who are

00:53:49.060 separated like we like lived together at the orphanage something and then oh my god we're

00:53:52.960 adopted separately it's very interesting we spent the rest of our lives writing letters to each

00:53:57.340 other wondering if we'd ever meet again god and then and then we stumbled into each other's arms

00:54:02.880 at like 96 like at a taffy shop yeah yeah like both looking at the taffy wall at the same time

00:54:08.500 our eyes and then looking up and going could it be you we will if we don't die if all goes well

00:54:14.240 yeah if all goes well we will be 92 just take a minute with that i think so yeah

00:54:20.120 i mean yeah i mean because i feel like again we distance ourself from aging by going well you

00:54:26.580 could die at any time or whatever yeah let's just let's just follow it let's just say we go to the

00:54:30.660 end let's say the best happens i mean my aunt is 92 and lives independently is completely with it

00:54:37.860 i mean it's astonishing i mean i know we bring it up a lot but i just think

00:54:42.240 no cackles louder than a 92 year old woman who's seen it all

00:54:46.180 And also, can you imagine young women?

00:54:50.800 Imagine young women seeing us and thinking we don't get it.

00:54:53.460 You know what I mean?

00:54:53.940 Like, because we were born old, you know?

00:54:56.360 And then like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:58.660 Us having to be like, we're the hosts of POOG.

00:55:07.040 They're like, we get it, okay?

00:55:09.220 Oh, we get it.

00:55:10.200 But the hell, I'm just imagining us in a shared room in a nursing home, okay?

00:55:14.060 us insisting on sharing a room first of all we'll split one and uh talking into the night

00:55:20.220 and then and like loving the pudding i can be like i love loving loving the pudding can we get

00:55:25.520 to you charming them you're going i dropped one can i have another uh you're charming them and

00:55:31.980 then i'm imagining some some youngster coming in and we have like glamour shots from what i

00:55:37.620 imagine being like five years from now but i i can't say yeah okay like i mean i i make no

00:55:43.000 claims i don't think they're already existing maybe they are maybe it's a glamour shots of us

00:55:47.500 like are sort of remember at the end of titanic okay when you realize she's lived and they show

00:55:53.400 those photos of her like her lived life after her like on safari yeah and on a horse is really clear 0.92

00:55:59.820 to me and that always made a strong impression like almost this feeling like oh shit i gotta

00:56:04.500 get on a horse and fast so there's a picture waiting for my grandson or whatever right but

00:56:09.700 imagine someone coming into the room we have you know in sort of vain fashion placed these sort of

00:56:16.440 glamour photos of us from our heyday i was gonna say the paper mag shoot the paper mag shoot and

00:56:22.260 and them going like that's not who it that's that can't be oh my god that's you and then like

00:56:27.700 i was being like yeah yeah i can't believe it may we all be so blessed to experience it

00:56:34.600 may we all be so blessed to experience it

00:56:38.240 there's an issue with how you only

00:56:42.660 go for or you only look into like the availability

00:56:46.480 of a certain service when you need it right like I find

00:56:50.520 myself doing no research now for

00:56:53.580 what is the greatest nursing facility that I should like save up my money for

00:56:58.500 now you know what I mean or like get my application in early

00:57:01.820 oh how much does it cost like 150k a year such a nightmare kill me can't go there and i feel like

00:57:10.220 is anyone working on that issue is anyone i know probably not because we don't care about the 0.93

00:57:15.520 elders in this goddamn country so once you're old enough that you care or you're concerned about it 0.82

00:57:21.240 you're like too old to disrupt the industry of elderly care i know that talk about an industry 1.00

00:57:28.240 that needs to be disrupted elder care go like go go no one's interested what could be more

00:57:34.960 important what actually what could be more important they're like i want to disrupt the

00:57:38.380 vag vaginalplasty industry yeah and you're like seeing 50 years see in 50 years where you're

00:57:46.340 displeased with the can you imagine like you wait until you're like 96 and you're like you're like

00:57:51.740 looking around this place you're being like this is unbelievable i mean i can't believe i can't

00:57:54.680 believe it's this shitty how has no one fixed this and then you know you're too tired to do 0.99

00:58:01.560 anything but bitch to your your kid i mean it's really disgusting is elder care i mean i'm just 0.99

00:58:10.060 guessing it is better in other countries i would assume i mean surely america's not leading 0.99

00:58:16.440 leading that they like let them off leash in other countries

00:58:20.060 they don't really pen them america is like devastating are you ready you know what i think

00:58:27.120 they do they care for their own literally literally grandma's in the house

00:58:36.880 i think that's what they do you're completely correct it's too brutal it's true it's true 0.98

00:58:45.300 they care for their fucking own america's like surely there's i mean i don't know i refused to 0.97

00:58:50.020 america's like who yeah oh yeah that old bag it's like absolutely thrown away instantly i always 0.99

00:58:58.220 thought it was interesting that the predominant assumption you know at least in modern times in

00:59:02.620 america i don't know but whatever right i speak for nothing but like is that you will grow up

00:59:08.660 leave the house and secure your own house right right seems wasteful right right or unnecessary

00:59:15.860 like yeah if you if the house isn't good sure but it seems kind of like right shouldn't it be

00:59:24.280 i mean you just move into your parents home you're saying you just stay there the whole time i've had

00:59:30.980 that i've had that fantasy of like will i live and die in the house in which i was raised oh well

00:59:38.840 when i was you know the depression years in particular i remember there was this moment

00:59:43.360 where it was like i found myself plotting for next year's halloween yeah i set up this little

00:59:50.100 scarecrow guy like outside my parents house on halloween day and i was like next year i'm gonna 0.74

00:59:55.700 get in a costume and i'm gonna go out there and it was just like holy shit why am i planning for

01:00:00.320 next year no intention of leaving no intention of yeah getting back on the horse of life yeah

01:00:06.600 yeah it was sort of like i also remember feeling that when i was working at the ad agency and

01:00:12.780 they're talking about like christmas 2023 you know what i mean like that sort of thing oh yeah

01:00:17.120 like oh when we when we do the christmas stuff next year you know when we revisit it next year

01:00:21.740 And it's like, I ain't getting out of here.

01:00:24.600 Yeah.

01:00:27.520 And with that.

01:00:29.100 And with that, we'll get out of here.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - February 08, 2022

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