Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - You’re Not Having a Sip

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00:02:08.720 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:10.140 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:11.240 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:15.960 Two untamable intellects.

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00:02:18.560 This is our hell.

00:02:19.420 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:02:21.700 This is POOG.

00:02:23.100 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:02:24.560 Nosers, positive antigen, pina colada.

00:02:32.180 Well, a funny thing happened on the way to the forum.

00:02:36.060 I got COVID-19.

00:02:39.520 Well done, Kate.

00:02:41.020 Well said.

00:02:41.940 It's amazing how much can change in a week.

00:02:44.660 When did we last record?

00:02:46.480 About a week ago, if you can imagine.

00:02:48.480 Because we really pushed it to the end and, you know, that cough people heard.

00:02:53.040 Honey, it was real.

00:02:53.880 was a covid cough i in the period since we recorded i confirmed my positive result went

00:03:01.880 through the worst of it which i'm very lucky to say was not bad yeah and i'm now fully kind of

00:03:07.820 on the other side caperland folks it's funny when something becomes utterly mundane that was so

00:03:14.680 significant you know like to have a mild case of losing one's virginity yeah absolutely covid

00:03:20.600 yeah classics like did it hurt well yeah right yes yes you look gorgeous thanks i had a thing

00:03:31.420 where my hair was okay you ever do this you pull a sweatshirt or sweater ideally over your head

00:03:39.120 and you don't pull your hair out from inside the sweatshirt it stays in there do you know i'm

00:03:45.280 talking about of course the bob and then you get to pretend you have short hair you get to pretend

00:03:49.960 of a bob and there's something about it that i'm like oh i never look better than i do when it's in

00:03:57.020 there i think about this a lot what you're referring to is not all the hair still gathered

00:04:02.640 in it but just a little bit because when you pop the front out is that what you mean like

00:04:06.840 there's something for me that's very it's very carrie bradshaw i wish i could tell you exactly

00:04:11.180 what episode but oh yeah a woman with longish hair putting on a coat and not untucking the hair

00:04:19.340 oh that's new york city fashion my mother must we always get into a little scuffle over this 1.00

00:04:27.540 because from time to time i'll put a jacket on keep my hair in and she goes bring your hair out 1.00

00:04:32.440 she's like untalk your hair and i'm like no i'm sexual and i'm keeping my hair in my coat yes

00:04:39.300 i'm sexual it's like no to me that is there's nothing chiquer than being contained in the coat

00:04:47.720 if you have the long hair i actually did mean the full and i think it's because

00:04:52.900 like you can't force it after i'm trying right now to force it after to create the no you can't

00:04:57.760 recreate because it's usually when you pull it down it's really like covers the ears and you're

00:05:02.000 just this woman who's like what is it who's living her life it speaks that this idea that you've just

00:05:07.060 pulled on a sweater which is different than merely wearing a sweater to have just pulled one on is to

00:05:12.940 say it suggests movement yes it's like you're in motion you're in yeah because there's something

00:05:19.400 that happens to me sometimes waking up in the morning in like a semi chilly house getting out

00:05:26.700 of bed pulling on the sweatshirt to go make coffee there it is like that is heaven that's good yeah

00:05:33.620 no that's exactly it and I think I'm sort of jumping to this fantasy of you know I'm imagining

00:05:39.680 myself as this kind of other woman who goes out back and the friends are there and it's getting

00:05:44.580 a little chilly and oh I just pulled on a sweater right over my head and it's not for 40 minutes

00:05:50.860 that the hair comes out as a result of whatever yeah mid-story you pull it out yeah you also get

00:05:56.620 to pretend you're not vain almost when it actually is vanity at play right because you're like look

00:06:01.600 how unbearably beautiful I am with my hair tucked in you don't it's kind of maybe inherently erotic

00:06:06.600 to you know cover up the hair right can't we cover up something can't give me something to cover

00:06:14.220 I kind of want to get back to my COVID no I do too I want the COVID to be kind of the

00:06:19.720 well I'll say because I am fascinated by the the dates around all this so I'm technically like on

00:06:26.460 the seventh day since my symptoms started which were again always mild but I had fatigue which

00:06:34.380 felt unusual because i was so we had just traveled together we just gone on a beautiful trip together

00:06:40.880 with a friend of ours you know who knows but i'm convinced that i contracted on the plane ride back

00:06:47.620 and this is more just my little story i tell myself but we were surrounded by there were

00:06:53.800 specifically two men who really didn't want to put those masks on remember we were whispering

00:06:57.960 it's always men yeah well it quite frankly is and we told the flight attendants like

00:07:03.220 and these girls didn't really care in fact one of them i want to talk about it actually yeah i was

00:07:08.680 really upset because one of them was having a full conversation with this guy about who god knows

00:07:14.600 what and he had his mask completely off and she was just joyfully had her head right next to his

00:07:20.280 mouth the flight attendant or no yeah the flight attendant was talking to him with no mask on i

00:07:26.500 was like well that's strange but i noticed immediately the man who was right in front of

00:07:29.560 us had it down around his nose was never covered and so the bold I mean I know it's been said but

00:07:35.840 nosers there's something about them that's no I know it's a very specific I mean it's I can't say

00:07:41.880 it's more maddening but it is distinctly maddening yeah it's its own uh madness and we dealt with a

00:07:50.580 few nosers you and me absolutely did and I was really impressed because you did a active eye 0.99

00:07:57.140 roll yeah oh i go hard we were in a long airport line with a major noser and you know i get afraid 0.98

00:08:07.040 because you're in a long line it gets me excited oh remember oh my god now i want to go back and 0.97

00:08:12.160 remember there was one guy who didn't have his mask on at all it was under his chin and he was

00:08:17.240 with these two women and then i was horrified to see there was like sexuality between one of them

00:08:21.060 like i was like wait that's his girlfriend i was devastated for her then i started to get more and

00:08:27.260 more heated because we were in this i was in this line for so long and what was my big line i wanted

00:08:32.760 to say to him oh oh i know what it was wait don't remind me i just remembered but i want you to

00:08:37.340 remember all right you ready to deliver it you can't deliver your own joke all right hold on air

00:08:42.160 is it this can i have your mother's phone number because i'd like to call her and tell her she's a 0.98

00:08:49.680 whore and that she raised her son poorly was like the follow-up yeah no i just wanted to say that's 1.00

00:08:56.520 my big anger i was like i want to just say oh hey can i get your mom's number i just want to call 1.00

00:09:01.480 and tell her she's a whore i wanted to get into a fight with this guy it was just he was he was 0.97

00:09:07.260 peacocking he was speaking very loudly and he was peacocking he loves you with these two girls i 1.00

00:09:13.180 mean i just everything about him in a long long long long long line long people and everyone's

00:09:19.660 doing that everybody else is masked how can he look around with no self-consciousness

00:09:26.220 like oh that was my other line for him oh yeah i wanted to say please sorry would you mind putting

00:09:31.620 on your mask we both have cancer which is almost like what do you need to hear to make the severity

00:09:38.780 of the situation matter yeah we spent some time on this in line actually because i was like no

00:09:44.800 when you say that you would say to him we have cancer like you put it on we have cancer the two

00:09:50.620 of us right yeah not laughing at cancer to be clear to be absolutely clear I want to know if

00:09:57.400 you were fantasizing about that where is he supposed to believe us or is he supposed to

00:10:02.340 there's nothing you can say to that he can't say to us he knows it's a lie you can't say to me it

00:10:08.680 highlights your lack of concern for the health of people around you it's not about your own

00:10:13.300 individual discomfort it's about yeah protecting people from what you might be carrying whatever

00:10:18.320 health issues people have that might not be directly what if he said obvious actually i 0.92

00:10:23.560 have cancer i would have gone well show me the fucking paperwork right and then he goes show me 0.88

00:10:28.760 yours i go i didn't start a fight with him but oh so i'll just say on the plane ride home 0.98

00:10:35.920 one of these guys didn't want to wear their mask was in the aisle across

00:10:39.880 and i was watching him because he did this really pathetic display with the flight attendant about

00:10:46.300 the wine i saw him kind of consulting the menu i saw him talking to her this is when she was

00:10:50.560 talking to him he had no mask on and then she disappears she disappears comes back with two

00:10:57.900 full bottles of you know just the shit delta wine and he's really looking at the labels pouring over 0.86

00:11:05.080 with them going oh god which one am i gonna do and he's doing this whole performance then she 0.91

00:11:10.880 returns with a beer and a glass of one of those wines for him and she goes away and i watch him

00:11:18.260 savoring the the the sip of wine and letting it roll in his mouth and he even does so much as to

00:11:25.280 kind of do a you know his head's moving back and forth he's trying to understand what exactly is

00:11:30.120 going on here oh my god to watch him doing that and just watch him down the wine down the beer

00:11:36.580 and then i'll say that when we landed i noticed he was getting something out of the overhead and

00:11:42.700 the flight attendant happened to be kind of hovering near him and i couldn't hear exactly

00:11:46.180 what was said but i just heard the words full medium bodied he was still talking about the

00:11:50.160 wine and she looked completely disinterested i'm like leave her alone i just heard him go

00:11:53.580 medium body he's still talking about the wine i really like so many mosquito bites jacqueline

00:11:59.920 oh really oh my god my leg you know what you're supposed to do right what not itch oh i know

00:12:06.640 i itch around i go tantric with it i know i it really does itching around though i wonder is it

00:12:17.020 drawing the histamines anyway you know don't say or scratching around i always forget i say itching

00:12:23.480 uh which is you know everyone knows scratching itch i saw a doctor well i'm online of course

00:12:29.000 but a doctor say itching to mean scratching i was shocked i've also seen you know i appreciate

00:12:34.500 this actually vets referring to the front legs of a cat as arms and they're not doing it as a joke

00:12:42.480 and i appreciate it because it's like yeah totally let's get real half the time those are her arms

00:12:46.560 we're humans we're looking at animals it's not it makes sense we're gonna look yeah i mean prism of

00:12:52.680 our own bodies when there's when they're able to grab things with their hand a ball yeah and toss

00:12:57.680 it back and forth i mean there are times when their paw is a hand let's get let's get up let's

00:13:02.240 get absolutely real dexterity and when they're seated on their legs and their hands are going

00:13:07.880 around in the i mean what are those legs no yeah anyway i think i got it from him i'll never know

00:13:14.160 but that's the little story i've told myself i'm very grateful that you seem to have dodged it

00:13:18.980 Well, I mean, a classic dynamic, me awoken by the news.

00:13:27.600 We know that I awaken every morning with a dry throat.

00:13:31.500 And that's why I start most days with the steam.

00:13:34.380 That flew out of my mind, of course.

00:13:37.340 Of course.

00:13:38.180 I was like, I guess I have it too.

00:13:41.700 Well, I also want to.

00:13:42.540 You're like, you do, babe.

00:13:45.000 You're like, babe, it's COVID.

00:13:46.300 we all know testing is very confusing but i'm shocked to say that with full symptoms

00:13:52.140 i got two negative rapids and two negative pcrs which is quite alarming to me i felt fully ill

00:13:58.880 and had two negative pcrs you got and all you got was one antigen oh sorry sorry i thought you were 0.97

00:14:03.760 at home rapid tested positive i woke up in the morning one day sounding like absolute shit my 0.81

00:14:10.700 cough was pretty bad yeah and i took an at home and it was positive but oh this is like regaling 0.62

00:14:17.060 someone with your dreams regaling someone with your covid symptoms i mean well both are interesting

00:14:20.920 okay well i'll just say that my symptoms really were a cold but not even a bad one i'm so grateful

00:14:29.100 i didn't get sick in a real way but no loss of taste and smell and no sore throat sore throats

00:14:33.760 are just so depressing i've been prone to them my whole life strip every year as a kid you got

00:14:38.920 to get a culture to test yes oh i the the strep culture i mean that's like the culture of my

00:14:43.580 childhood no i meant actually well both i guess i meant but i meant the culture as in the swabbing

00:14:50.000 your throat to get the culture oh i know oh i think the culture around strep throat because

00:14:55.620 i believe in that as well here's what's strange in that moment i know what you meant about getting

00:15:00.340 a throat culture because i would get throat cultures constantly to see if there was strep

00:15:03.320 throat but in the moment that i said that was the culture of my childhood the word culture as a

00:15:09.820 throat culture disappeared for me oh it's not interesting okay so um no keep it no so remember

00:15:16.760 on the last poog where i was horrified by my canker sores honey exactly covid symptoms so i

00:15:24.940 so this is the weirdest symptom i had yesterday my teeth were aching they were sensitive it

00:15:33.300 It was like breathing in air kind of hurt them.

00:15:35.920 And I was like, so I immediately Googled tooth sensitivity COVID.

00:15:39.420 There it is, folks.

00:15:40.980 In rare cases, some people have that.

00:15:42.900 I email my dentist instantly.

00:15:45.740 He responds.

00:15:46.540 Love him for it.

00:15:47.360 And I said, Dr. Kim, tooth sensitivity.

00:15:50.960 I said, also, I happen to have two really painful canker sores on my tongue as I was developing the virus.

00:15:57.020 He said, absolutely.

00:15:58.120 tooth sensitivity canker sores mouth um rashes damn he said i've seen a rash can you believe

00:16:06.320 it's called freaking canka by the way my canker sores are gone thank god my bitten lip which was 0.93

00:16:11.900 hell my mouth is is healed thank god okay a big part of misting for me is the delivery mechanism

00:16:20.620 what mist is that neogen real ferment micro mist oh 90 percent bioferment complex as you know

00:16:27.920 fermented ingredients are the rage four percent multivitamins balances clarifies anhydrates

00:16:35.800 and the spritz function stopped working oh no that's hard the whole bottle is ruined

00:16:44.140 it's over and you pry it open and decant it into another bottle it would have to be with a hammer

00:16:50.260 because it's fused and delivery i mean we've talked about the drunk elephant that looks like

00:16:56.860 a nice spritz out of that one they have excellent packaging oh no she's back not all spritzes are

00:17:03.260 the same like sometimes you get a mist out of a bottle that's really harsh and yeah oh no this

00:17:08.360 one it's right in the sweet spot of what's it called i mean almost dare i say aerosolizing

00:17:15.480 but it's not aerosol it's a fine mist but it comes with force you're making me want to mist

00:17:20.780 myself misting all day as i know i say this on every poop but you've really changed my life when

00:17:25.780 i wake up now every morning instantly i essence spray my face and it just feels great with throw

00:17:31.220 to break as they say in the biz okay hold your spritzes we'll be right back

00:17:36.020 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many

00:17:46.120 a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor anna trainer disappeared from a commune

00:17:53.200 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:17:54.580 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:17:58.200 So no, I am not your guru.

00:18:01.980 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:18:04.620 I lied to police.

00:18:05.880 I lied to everybody.

00:18:06.660 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:18:09.860 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:18:12.520 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:18:15.340 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:18:18.700 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:18:21.600 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:18:23.200 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:18:26.220 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:18:29.240 Boom, boom. 0.97

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00:19:11.020 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

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00:19:23.000 with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 1.00

00:19:27.920 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.97

00:19:30.440 I'm going to climb this.

00:19:32.800 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:19:34.920 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:19:39.040 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:19:41.500 Is badness hereditary?

00:19:43.540 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:19:45.340 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:19:48.280 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night you'll even get to meet my mum in that one

00:19:53.020 who i can always count on to keep my feet on the ground i'm not too intimidated by her what are

00:19:57.760 you talking about listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iheart radio app apple

00:20:04.180 podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and we're back so yeah i mean what more is there

00:20:17.920 to say about my COVID experience I mean it is one of those things where I will say today's seven

00:20:23.400 days of not seeing a soul and I'm fine which as we know new for you I was texting you earlier and

00:20:31.780 I said I've never done that seven days just completely alone and in my house because it's

00:20:36.440 not just seven days not socializing because I was like that's like my whole life when you're not

00:20:40.460 even at the store yeah I went on two walks when I received my first negative PCR and I was still

00:20:46.840 feeling shitty but not so shitty I went on a walk you know in an isolated area and then I went on a

00:20:51.880 walk today also in an isolated area but aside from that I really been indoors and I'm fine I would

00:20:57.700 think that I would maybe melt down or feel really lonely or sad but that just didn't happen yeah

00:21:02.900 what is that is that spiritual growth is that maybe it's that you know it was the fear the

00:21:09.300 whole time yeah the actuality totally you've been avoiding a monster that isn't even there

00:21:15.180 you're exactly right it's the relief that comes from facing the fear and it's revealed to be what

00:21:20.340 it really is a shadow dancing on the wall if you told me that i would have a podcast one day

00:21:25.360 that alone would have shocked me if you told me i would have a podcast and then i'd be talking

00:21:29.680 about canker sores yeah well i don't know it's fine who cares you mean like i just i just horrified

00:21:37.380 by the like non-artistry kind of yeah just kind of like oh here i am artists me here being like

00:21:42.880 yeah i had a little cough nothing too bad like wow no no no i know but i think we

00:21:48.940 poog is performance art okay i think you know no i don't know if that's what it is that's just me

00:21:55.040 reaching for a term that already has some cultural meaning but i think this doesn't have to be your

00:22:00.340 work you're an artist yeah no no who passes the time with a friend absolutely absolutely absolutely

00:22:07.120 i'm humiliated by the endeavor i mean not the endeavor i'm humiliated that you know

00:22:11.660 let's just say spend 10 years writing and making a film right

00:22:17.980 it's two hours okay right i'm i'm afraid like the work i leave behind okay 900 hours of poog

00:22:28.620 and then like four hours worth of other forms of whatever yeah of course maybe we need you know

00:22:35.280 poog is stricken with death yeah just suddenly we die it ends we die all is deleted you better

00:22:42.560 be recording with a secondary you know threatening now the lack of archive i will say again this is

00:22:49.700 like boring but i'm proud of myself the last seven days i haven't been on social media at all

00:22:54.680 i think i'm like i think i'm kind of free i don't know yeah i had to log on to cancel my shows

00:23:00.500 and then i just immediately deleted it i feel that the hours i would have logged the last week

00:23:06.480 scrolling endlessly messaging like that would have been a huge well i'm i'm proud you didn't use the

00:23:12.380 diagnosis as sort of a well it's time to fall back on my old oh yeah yeah my old i mean i used

00:23:18.180 your diagnosis to like consider an ice cream sunday lunch or whatever because we had uh

00:23:23.660 journeyed together when you were i was fell ill we were both like oh i've got it too yeah

00:23:29.720 i did sniffle once on poog last week and so so i sort of spent a day we went and got the pcrs

00:23:36.400 whatever and uh negative and answers negative and as as you as we all know none of it means

00:23:42.480 nothing you can't trust a single goddamn test god i haven't been tortured i've just been like 0.96

00:23:49.580 i can't do it i have to just sit here and re-watch sex in the city and i'm about to finish the series 0.99

00:23:55.240 and i'm actually savoring i don't want to finish it and i've burst into tears multiple times

00:24:01.920 twice when um carrie and stanford are at the prom and it's like 0.98

00:24:06.740 and they're slow dancing and that music can push you over oh that the bg's fucking will tank you 0.97

00:24:17.640 frying pan to the head remember in my so-called life did you watch i watched it once when i was 0.98

00:24:23.260 18 loved yeah yeah there's a like mother-daughter fashion show that angela is avoiding like doesn't

00:24:29.820 want to be part of it's right now you know yeah yeah and you know it's sort of like a fight with

00:24:35.360 the mother and the whole thing and at the end she does it when she walks down the thing and they're

00:24:39.320 playing um um oh return to innocence freaking how do you feel about this is the jargon of

00:24:46.100 parenthood that you and me as people who don't have babies don't really have cause to use and

00:24:51.120 so it's just to me it's jargon like being like um so and so is down meaning sick no sorry asleep

00:24:59.840 yeah like i put them down like will you put jojo down and then like yeah no of course i've never

00:25:05.820 had need to say that and it's yeah we've never had need to say it because i feel like it's a little

00:25:09.480 scary actually to not have needed to say it no it's a scary phrase oh yeah like putting your 0.94

00:25:16.000 baby down they're down what the fuck right maybe it's a fantasy yeah the musings of of childless 1.00

00:25:24.600 women you put your baby down i was watching sex in the city and jerking off 1.00

00:25:28.900 i was going to say how do you feel about it's not gilting the lily but it is trying to make 1.00

00:25:40.300 something better making it worse yeah it's like trying to be more formal okay you're referring 0.98

00:25:45.700 to shit as in fecal matter okay okay but you're not trying to say shit literally you use the word 0.99

00:25:53.980 shit the way you might use the word stuff but then it applies to shit so it's like a nightmare 0.99

00:25:57.940 for example me trying to colloquially say to someone as I'm handing them fiber okay and they're 0.99

00:26:05.980 struggling okay me being like you just got to get that shit out right I'm like you gotta get that 0.99

00:26:11.380 shit out and then i'm like no okay that's not a perfect example but like i've said shit to mean 0.99

00:26:15.780 stuff but it means actually refers to shit like careful there's shit everywhere 0.99

00:26:20.200 one time me and my friend me and my friend laura we were driving some kind of long journey and it 0.97

00:26:28.380 was one of these weird situations you get in where there's somehow no food on a long drive like what

00:26:33.420 like you assume that it's going to be like whatever turnpike you're used to that has a million food

00:26:37.740 stops you ever had this happen yes going miles and miles and miles with nary a sign god okay

00:26:45.980 like the the salivation that occurs for me when i see one of those you know green classic road signs

00:26:53.200 but you see color on them when you see like the red because it's a mcdonald's advertising it's a

00:26:58.720 burger king it's a denny's you see primary colors adorning an otherwise green sign and it's so far

00:27:04.940 away but me and my friend were on this trip and it was this thing where we kept we got so hungry

00:27:09.880 but then because we were so hungry it almost became that it had to be good yeah that's very

00:27:14.460 real like we stopped somewhere and it was almost like a denny's or an ihop that sort of thing

00:27:19.140 and we went in and one of us went to the bathroom i think it was her and came back and was like it's 0.99

00:27:27.480 like a shit show in there and i was and then it was like revealed to be actual like shit it was 0.99

00:27:33.560 a shit show yeah they were selling tickets and we left oh wow and then we ended up at 1.00

00:27:43.040 fuck what's this it's a chain italian restaurant and to me it'll always be like the finest meal 0.99

00:27:51.280 i ever had you know it's like a chain family italian restaurant it's like something like 0.99

00:27:58.120 cartouches but not cartouches we got like the antipasto like platter before getting these big

00:28:05.720 bowls of pasta it was like a roadside version of the season finale of the first season of the

00:28:13.200 sopranos right i think it's where they go into artie bucco's restaurant he's like we're out of

00:28:17.440 this and that and it's like whatever you got already like they're all like coming out of the

00:28:20.760 rain carmella and tony like yeah god damn i gotta rewatch artie bucco just bring starts bringing

00:28:26.700 out food that whole feeling so comforting like the chef's got you yeah nothing oh my god i mean 0.94

00:28:34.940 i'm hungry right now so you know what i'm gonna do tonight i have some fabulous chicken broth

00:28:39.540 i'm gonna grate raw garlic into it squeeze a lemon salt and pepper and that's it i imagine

00:28:48.640 no that's not it but i'm alarmed to say yeah what my period has not stopped since i saw you

00:28:56.960 really i think it's a covet thing i mean not like full endless period yeah and the permanent period 0.99

00:29:03.040 and my fucking tits are sore damn hold on the stamina to be able to hear the voice of the divine 0.99

00:29:13.100 and carry through to the consequence who won't be crushed 1.00

00:29:18.900 because someone said i think you're gonna fail that one remark would stop you

00:29:30.380 when on the other hand you could hear the voice of heaven you could be stopped because you need

00:29:36.040 one person's approval excuse me such a weak backbone have you i think through all of my work

00:29:47.340 when i teach sacred contracts which i still do and i work with people who want to know the

00:29:54.140 agreements or their the contracts written in the in their soul come through in the language of

00:30:00.360 archetypes or symbols and people want to know what's my highest potential when they can't

00:30:07.220 function in their lowest why do they always want give me give me give me everything give me big

00:30:13.380 huge when they can't function at the lowest how greedy is that but it says god owes me

00:30:25.600 i'm old i want want want want and it doesn't occur what was i born to give

00:30:35.020 can you believe her okay i needed you to hear a little bit of her voice to understand yeah i've

00:30:42.120 never heard what i love yeah excuse me no she's like i just die for her anyway what do you think

00:30:48.400 you were born to give all right no no no no no no no okay let's talk about

00:30:55.520 okay here i go so we had this really beautiful trip with a friend of ours and pina coladas were

00:31:02.840 involved oh and we had a big growth moment well i'll tell the story and then i'll explain how i

00:31:08.040 felt the other day as it i reflected back on it so you know i'm very territorial around my own food

00:31:15.300 and drink okay i'm very entitled to a separate bite so we're dining with a couple and someone's

00:31:23.580 getting um a dessert and you're deciding without to get one and i hear you mumbling to yourself

00:31:28.740 about how you have a bite of theirs and i'm leaning over no no husband in that situation

00:31:33.580 he offered he said well you want some bites no but there was a different moment i know you're

00:31:39.900 talking about okay there was a different moment where you whispered you're like before you offered

00:31:43.700 the bites yeah i'm like do not do not like so like controlling in this way but also it it reveals our

00:31:51.960 closeness like it's something i would say to my mother where i'm just so sure i have the right

00:31:55.260 answer that i'm just going to tell you not do it you know what i mean so there was a series of

00:31:59.600 moments where i feel like i ordered pina coladas and you made more like adult choices and then

00:32:04.920 were disappointed as a result okay which i mean it's a big issue for me i also have a huge fear

00:32:12.720 around sweetness because they trigger migraines for me and alcohol no absolutely in my defense

00:32:18.480 i empower you yeah right i empower you thus like that doesn't mean you're owed one sip out of the

00:32:24.640 20 sips of my drink right right i empower you to order it and have a single sip of yours and throw 0.99

00:32:29.540 it across the room yeah yeah okay i do i try to manage socially to not be a fucking jerk right 0.98

00:32:38.240 so i don't go swatting the hands away of people i'm socializing with you know whatever now when 0.97

00:32:44.560 you get really close to me there I might start to feel like I can go for it and express the needs

00:32:52.240 however I feel shame I almost felt tears again but because I know that you're you help yourself

00:32:57.700 make choices by comforting yourself with I can have the bite you know I can have the sip or

00:33:03.000 whatever you know what else I think is unacceptable not really but are you ready you'll love it

00:33:06.880 you might want a pina colada or you might want the the bold drink I'm getting but you're gonna

00:33:12.220 to wait to taste mine to decide if you'll get it so i'm like glad mine can my pina colada be the

00:33:17.620 testing ground and then then you take a little sip no i'm good i don't eat it like i don't need

00:33:22.680 it i don't need it no it's just i it's a cool a sip is gone from the thing i knew i wanted because

00:33:29.400 i've already had a couple things where i've not blinked an eye at you taking a sip of trying my

00:33:35.320 pina colada and i'm not saying every single one devastated me or i was thinking about it

00:33:39.240 but there's something in me that knows that if something comes it it adds to my pleasure to just

00:33:44.260 know the boundaries completely fair you know the first sip a lot of people want the first sip

00:33:49.160 yeah what what the first sip on a dry straw sometimes happens it's almost like to get it

00:33:53.460 out of the way their borrowed sip i like went for it and i it was like terrifying i went for it i

00:34:00.240 want to be clear i think i took one sip of your pina colada a different there was a different

00:34:04.340 pina colada i asked for a sip and i gave it and then you gave it and then as though it was nothing

00:34:09.960 to me a couple days later you ordered a pina i ordered a marg and i think i heard maybe a little

00:34:16.700 something a little comment or how is it i think it might even before it came i think i don't think

00:34:23.980 you said anything i think i just go and you're not having a sip yeah that's what it was and you

00:34:28.860 started crying and then and you were like I'm gonna cry again I love it you like respected the

00:34:40.900 boundary but even more so no it's not that you respected the boundary that's what it was

00:34:46.440 like you didn't abandon me for me claiming a boundary I was proud of you and you were proud

00:34:54.840 it was profound it was and you were so sweet because you had you were crying and you were

00:34:58.820 like you're not mad and I was like I'm not mad I can't even articulate how I'm not mad the depths

00:35:04.980 to which I'm not mad even then I was like I already regret it I'm a monster you know like

00:35:09.640 I'm hideous and then you actually forced the sip later but that was for why was that remember you

00:35:13.620 were like wait actually try this and I was like yeah later I was like you know you try it and

00:35:17.800 you're like Jacqueline like almost like don't go back on what you did but there was a specific

00:35:21.760 crazy what was it now it's different now it's different because i wasn't acting out of fear

00:35:27.380 obligation i'm pretty sure i was about 95 percent not acting out of fear obligation and guilt and

00:35:31.880 then the most tragic thing happened which i had ordered i think it was a spicy mezcal beverage i 0.99

00:35:36.320 was enjoying it and then i thought for another round i go you know what fuck it oh so i told 0.98

00:35:42.760 yes yes about my mezcal cocktail i said could you just do a little bit of agave not too sweet 0.98

00:35:48.720 he said yeah yeah which is honestly key when you order a margarita oh yeah you almost always have

00:35:53.100 to say a little less please no they're like it's gonna be really tart and i'm like give me lime

00:35:57.620 juice squeeze it directly into my throat yes that would hurt but yeah and um i said i'm gonna have

00:36:03.620 pina colada and i said another round for me too obviously my thrill is that yeah now i'm gonna

00:36:11.020 have one with you i would kill for a pina right now okay the pina coladas arrive i'm so excited

00:36:16.900 mine is not sweet mine neither so it's like they took the note and they produced ice with rum yeah

00:36:27.540 the appearance of a delicious pina colada and by the way your pina colada which i tried was not

00:36:33.360 too sweet it was wonderful it was not sickeningly sweet at all that was devastating to down the

00:36:38.460 whole pina with no sweetness yeah i still sucked it down like mother's milk gotta say we met we

00:36:44.700 met a great married couple that night we had a hell of a time with them but they're on a honeymoon

00:36:48.580 anyway the point is then flash forward to we're at the airport and this felt like real this felt

00:36:53.740 like progress i forgot about this yeah this is where i thought i was going we're at the airport

00:36:57.740 progress for who you yeah oh my god amazing i just yeah because you i'm a genius i'm a genius

00:37:06.460 we're in a crowded little airport i see a tiny stairwell and i say let's go up there what's up

00:37:12.300 there an outdoor bar by the way never in my life at an airport have i seen an outdoor bar

00:37:17.920 have you i mean right in if you have never elsewhere either but at the gate can you imagine

00:37:23.480 i know on exactly at the gate not like before you go through into hell yeah yeah and there's

00:37:30.380 a little bar it reminded me of the friendlies menu i saw on the back of someone's menu 0.77

00:37:34.920 again bright colors kind of big stupid colors of when they've got a drink blown up on the back of 0.67

00:37:41.720 the menu i see cream i see maybe red for maraschino you know i see yellow and i just go oh my god and 0.98

00:37:49.880 then this is always what it is for me is it possible that's frozen is it possible it's frozen

00:37:54.080 and i was like i think they might have it do you think i shut you down i was like i don't think so

00:37:57.620 i don't see a blender back there right and then you saw a blender blender

00:38:03.920 and i mean to be able to have a pina in the sunshine to have a pina at your gate with you

00:38:14.140 at the gate and i really never drink when i fly i never have until with you really and us

00:38:20.400 having a pina it wasn't very alcoholic in retrospect i don't know there was a floater

00:38:26.640 of rum on it i don't know damn anyway down the pina floated onto the plane contracted covid

00:38:33.640 but i wonder if it could have been on that little shuttle bus i mean there's endless

00:38:40.780 possibilities yeah because i started telling myself a story about how i caused your covet

00:38:45.540 because i didn't drive you to the lift area which by the way it wasn't it would have been impossible

00:38:51.860 to drive to i studied it after yeah but i then yesterday suddenly i had a flashback

00:38:58.260 to going and you can't have a sip okay yeah and felt hot shame well by the way that's not how you 0.99

00:39:05.680 said it Jacqueline you weren't like and you can't have a sip bitch you were very sweet you were 0.98

00:39:11.680 scared and you were like oh my god no no because you know what's so sweet about it yes you made 1.00

00:39:15.940 it into kind of like a joke you're like you're not getting a sip oh you're right and you're not

00:39:20.040 getting a sip yeah it was so sweet and then the tears came i'm so happy you did it something that

00:39:27.120 i'm so happy you felt safe with me to say you can't have a sip and to know that i would never 0.89

00:39:32.480 hold it against you it's honestly huge and shit like that cannot in those small things 0.57

00:39:39.180 profundity lies there but yeah like i know there's something about our friendship that 0.98

00:39:44.160 there's certain things that you i don't know somehow heal for me no no no what you mean

00:39:50.780 unexpected like you're not what i expect almost the healing to be yeah it's like that's cool i

00:39:57.680 think you're resilient to like my like i can be a little moody with you and it's okay yeah well

00:40:05.840 that's true intimacy yeah and yeah we can have a little like we don't have like fights so we can

00:40:12.620 have a little spice on the text and it's fine oh my god yes

00:40:17.240 yes this has to be a very common thing like this kind of every fourth argument with a friend you're

00:40:27.860 like we really gotta stop having these conversations via text you just can't tell what people mean

00:40:33.040 i think it was misinterpreted because it was on text is simultaneously true and it's a great way

00:40:39.200 out of a fight that occurs

00:40:41.200 on text, you know? Totally.

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00:43:19.000 Have you been to London?

00:43:23.580 Because I'm going to London.

00:43:24.980 Have you what?

00:43:26.080 Been to London because I'm going for the first time

00:43:27.880 I've never been.

00:43:28.400 Have I been?

00:43:28.900 Oh, yes.

00:43:29.860 It's heaven, it's heaven.

00:43:30.860 Do you have any restaurant wrecks?

00:43:33.040 Not for now, but later.

00:43:33.680 I'll send you some.

00:43:35.320 All right, I'll accept them from the Pug community as well.

00:43:38.200 I've been thinking about the loose plan of going in the summer.

00:43:42.600 I'm thinking of finally seeing Paris.

00:43:44.880 Oh, you must.

00:43:46.140 As an honors French student.

00:43:48.160 I traveled, you know, an hour to go to a French language contest in high school.

00:43:53.700 I remember accepting an award in French for my some kind of special French language thing.

00:43:58.620 And I've never seen Paris.

00:44:00.860 I didn't know that you were a French speaker.

00:44:04.720 Well, I've refused. 0.96

00:44:05.680 Although some people were able to clock my excellence via my...

00:44:09.880 On our ads.

00:44:12.620 Oh, on our ads.

00:44:13.320 One time, there was a French child in the waiting room of a spa of some kind.

00:44:20.240 And a little French child came up to me and said, like,

00:44:23.820 Or whatever.

00:44:26.080 And I couldn't believe it.

00:44:27.580 I had the answer.

00:44:28.340 And I'm going to try it right now.

00:44:29.300 I don't know if I'll be able to do it.

00:44:30.220 but for whatever reason, it came out perfectly.

00:44:33.160 I'm going to try it right now.

00:44:35.360 Je parle un peu.

00:44:37.880 Not bad.

00:44:39.020 Speak a little.

00:44:40.380 That wasn't very good, and I don't want anyone to think I think that was good.

00:44:42.880 I have a self-consciousness because my dear, dear, dear friend from childhood

00:44:47.200 spent a year in Paris during childhood.

00:44:49.460 Can you imagine? 0.76

00:44:51.380 A French child. 1.00

00:44:52.460 So then I was worried she'd come back sophisticated, and she did. 0.99

00:44:57.160 oh right you're fake french right

00:45:03.240 yeah totally fake it just says it all right there sounds real 0.99

00:45:10.640 fuck it's so good it's so good imagine if you had the actual words 0.98

00:45:15.740 see i don't know if me knowing some of it holds me back what i get oh definitely this is really 0.99

00:45:23.340 hard for me actually it definitely holds you back no no i think it's impossible to speak

00:45:27.040 a fake language if you know any of it really what was one of your talents is they're able to

00:45:32.460 produce a diversity of sounds i was just trying to do it and i was only getting like three

00:45:37.400 consonants i'm like like see how like i keep leaning on the same sounds yeah because you know

00:45:43.740 too much can you do a headstand no i really fear applying weight on the head upside down

00:45:51.920 maybe it's just me no i mean the thing about headstands is you know everyone wants to do

00:45:59.200 them and yet you google them and it's crack neck there's issues but do keep in mind you've never

00:46:04.940 seen someone standing only on their head right so in that sense yes you're applying weight but

00:46:12.160 you're not applying your full weight where's the rest of the weight if not the head in the two

00:46:16.360 hands oh wait like a tripod the head was just a head try to picture someone here try to picture

00:46:23.440 someone on their head right feet in the air and then their arms at the side to their sides yeah

00:46:28.860 no one does that that's not what a headstand is no that's like if you turn like a doll upside down

00:46:35.080 i was completely picturing hands flushed down to the side hands flushed down to the side of the

00:46:40.060 body is often humorous and it's very humorous when upside down um sometimes i really get lost

00:46:47.560 i just look down my window and something about the gentle flickering of lights in the evening

00:46:51.520 you know i'm talking about houses like looking at the distance and seeing the little lights 0.83

00:46:56.200 oh just see it to see a set of homes and it's just sweet god damn it it just is to see little 0.90

00:47:03.240 fairytale land little fairies it looks like you could knock it over with your fingers like when 0.53

00:47:07.400 you see like yeah a bunch of little houses dotting a hill it's like a train set yeah it feels like 0.98

00:47:11.480 you could just yeah did miniatures captivate you oh yeah my mom set up for me because i was probably

00:47:17.220 jealous of my older sister's dollhouse she showed me like how we could set up an apartment inside

00:47:22.400 one of my closets we cleared off one of the shelves set it up in there i think it was calico

00:47:27.680 critters those little guys soft yeah but hard but hard yeah yeah exactly yeah they're like fuzzy

00:47:35.060 edges but yeah there's something really pleasing about them i do know those i never had those and

00:47:39.460 there was a little adhesive piece of art that we like stuck again and it lived there forever you

00:47:44.740 know like when the things from someone's childhood live in their bedroom as a teen fully the things

00:47:50.660 that like can't be removed i had stickers on a mirror i had that those are very specific so

00:47:56.520 there's still a couple stickers on the mirror yeah i like that it's very supremely comforting

00:48:01.700 about that but i've been pursuing the headstands i'm very excited about it now i'm just picturing

00:48:06.960 my headstand yeah like kate no like you're like i'm gonna go for it to see you your shoulders

00:48:12.440 just like descending your cervical oh last night i was just googling occipital occipitalus muscles

00:48:20.840 which muscle is that that's the back of the head oh it's like back of the head and it's next

00:48:27.180 they claim no go ahead go ahead no i mean i didn't think you were fully just saying next to me like

00:48:32.760 no i said next topic next make me oh neck no but it's yeah no but it's

00:48:37.900 i was did not think that was what it was but because i was laying back on the couch and my

00:48:43.560 head was against like the hard part of the couch you know the arm and i just sort of started moving

00:48:48.800 my head ever so slightly and it was the sweet ache of what i've been taught you know is oh it

00:48:54.260 must be a trigger point oh like when you press on this spot it refers pain to these other areas so

00:48:59.560 there must be a little knot there there must be a little trigger point that i have to apply 30

00:49:03.780 seconds of pressure i went through a real trigger point phase i mean it's one of the things i google

00:49:08.440 in the night well have you ever looked at images of just like those diagrams no i already know the

00:49:14.800 answer is no no no no no i haven't yeah it's they're unbelievable you could learn a lot there's

00:49:23.220 a spot that one uh trigger point woman calls the bitchy point i know i've got one of those like 0.96

00:49:28.740 yeah it's just it's a really satisfying sort of under the um you massage it to not be a bitch

00:49:34.060 i think it's like that it causes a lot of issues where is it i feel like i i need that okay and 0.96

00:49:40.500 people are grumpy so it's low under the shoulder blade kind of low didn't i make you like lean an

00:49:49.460 elbow on on that spot once like I was like can you just yeah yeah if you trace the inner line

00:49:55.440 of the shoulder blade down oh yeah I got it right now and it's like you just know you've hit

00:50:02.140 something it needs to be worked out but it's lower you can't really reach over and get it

00:50:07.100 if you haven't googled you got to be careful because as we know I go too hard with these

00:50:10.920 things and then you can like die instantaneously so I watch these articles about self-massage

00:50:15.680 self-treatment of like muscles okay and i like go for it like in the neck the classic the um

00:50:21.240 sternocleidomastoid which i only know from trigger point research right i go like

00:50:25.700 you turn your head to the side and it's like horrifyingly revealed you see there's the

00:50:32.120 clavicular part and the sternal part it splits in two blah blah blah for the same information

00:50:38.140 over and over again that's scary to and then i grab it so actually what you're supposed to do

00:50:45.060 but you relax so that you so it's softened you can do that to identify it and then you relax

00:50:50.880 you turn in towards it you work it with your fingers and you feel for little knots and it's

00:50:54.380 very satisfying the concept but i have set off massive headaches as a result where i'm like

00:51:00.880 went too hard last night and it's because i conceptually have an idea right that you know

00:51:08.020 it's that thing where i was having that fantasy again but oh if i could just snip

00:51:11.520 oh god i'm truly gonna puke the relief the relief well that's like when you have a bad migraine you

00:51:17.840 just want to drive a screwdriver into your head right that's the only thing that will help is if

00:51:21.640 i actually take a hammer and just bash my face right like the relief like it would release it 0.97

00:51:28.180 this is like this is me now i get tired at seven o'clock i've been practically asleep by nine all

00:51:34.420 week do you mean this is me now as in covid yeah it is yeah but i do think i've just nine's a very

00:51:42.800 respectable bedtime that's kind of psychotic i can't be someone who no i don't mean for you

00:51:47.120 but it's interesting because did you have a bedtime as a child i'm asking because you know

00:51:51.680 these artists parents i don't remember yeah i could see you like not having one but i remember

00:51:56.980 just like when it was pushed i don't remember having a bedtime yeah i feel like you didn't

00:52:02.700 when it was pushed and it was like nine and nine sounded so like adult like nine are you kidding

00:52:09.700 whoa i had this humongous plastic clock it hung in the wall of my bedroom you know if i quote

00:52:15.360 couldn't sleep it was like well then read in bed and sometimes i would just stay all night long

00:52:22.360 yeah i mean until like 4 a.m or something did they know you were in there doing that i i can't

00:52:29.540 remember it was part of this idea that my mom was sort of into which was this kind of you're

00:52:35.120 gonna self-soothe thing oh you can't sleep and you'll read in bed versus coming in here and

00:52:39.440 announcing that you can't sleep right right I always think the night is 65 hours because

00:52:45.760 the difference between evening and a new day is so vast I think of those night hours as deeper

00:52:52.620 if time just is a lateral movement it's like night hours are deeper and I actually think

00:52:57.480 part of it is they are because there's less distraction do you fantasize about burning

00:53:03.600 the midnight oil because i sure do yes you're right i also consider the night is like two days

00:53:08.780 long yes and i i think it also is an add thing the night's like gun to my head i'm like what 18

00:53:16.140 hours yeah yeah and mom responded i said do that i have a bedtime growing up said no

00:53:22.180 not like a serious bedtime there weren't many rules that's amazing but i wasn't like wild i

00:53:30.740 don't remember mine being like strict i want to be clear yeah yeah i was always do you remember

00:53:35.800 probably same deal probably don't remember your first r-rated movie baby yeah no i just uh my

00:53:42.360 first r-rated movie no i think mine was wild cats or dirty dancing but dirty dancing the family

00:53:50.680 watched it together and during the sex scenes everyone left to like get snacks and things like

00:53:56.540 that and i stayed absolutely i remember i think i was like four what i think i was like four

00:54:06.460 five i don't know but i was just like i have something actually my parents had exactly two

00:54:11.560 vhs tapes lawrence of arabia and the last emperor and i ended up just watching them all the time

00:54:17.680 Wait I remember watching The Last Emperor as a child once like it came on TV and my dad was like

00:54:23.240 you should watch this. I watched it a lot and it made an impression on me and there's sex in it

00:54:29.540 first of all. I gotta revisit. Or there's like making out maybe they're just making out but that

00:54:33.600 you know is as good as sex better than it often. Clearly. But there's a moment where someone dies

00:54:39.660 and I remember it's part of like the funereal right like the ceremony or something someone

00:54:44.340 puts a marble in this corpse's mouth like a big marble and that was like captivated my attention

00:54:51.760 yeah i wonder what that is i like that idea so nothing can get in or out yeah something it was

00:54:58.680 like my memory it's a big white marble oh yeah but i we talked about this on pook i think how i

00:55:04.480 yeah used a bottle forever sucked from a bottle yeah we've talked about that baba i don't think

00:55:10.560 we have i'm literally in shock really no we have chocolate baba we have no i don't think so i don't

00:55:18.960 think it's landed i think we really have that i chocolate baba is what you said my baba my bottle

00:55:26.000 and i was old enough that i would have like chocolate milk after school and i'd offer it

00:55:29.820 a friend like chocolate baba oh yeah i remember that anecdote for some reason i feel like it

00:55:35.040 wasn't on poog but it was food i could go for a chocolate baba right about now i had a big plan

00:55:41.220 to order sushi tonight but i'm gonna do it tomorrow night why i know all decisions like

00:55:47.460 this it's just too late and i have stuff for the fish to be fresh no no no i just mean lately

00:55:53.060 evening i just i have food here i don't want to be too wasteful i roasted a cabbage this afternoon

00:55:58.480 for christ's sake you did this is something for the for poo wow for the listeners yeah to get

00:56:04.500 get yourself a green cabbage okay from the supermarket okay heat your oven to 400 degrees

00:56:10.620 425 okay cut the cabbage into quarters okay douse in olive oil salt and pepper

00:56:18.800 put it in the oven for i don't know 10 minutes pop it open look it up and we rotate the slices

00:56:25.700 for the char when i tell you i was moaning moaning i was bent over the cabbage moaning

00:56:34.840 and tell me that that won't happen to you during early quarantine we would get this

00:56:41.160 delivery box of vegetables and we'd get two purple cabbages those last like two weeks it's amazing i

00:56:48.640 would chop those babies up sometimes i'd saute them with ground meat have you ever heard of

00:56:54.400 crack slaw i think it's like no crack slaw like i don't know where it's big but it's big almost

00:57:02.100 like coleslaw but it's so good oh slaw i lost it okay okay and so crack slaw is like cabbage i love

00:57:09.040 cabbage and so i would go really hard with the purple cabbage and boy was it beautiful in the

00:57:14.740 pan to see that purple oh yeah it's gorgeous just with the olive oil and the stuff and then 0.89

00:57:19.580 working with goddamn ground beef i'll say it working with ground beef you know the comforts 0.71

00:57:25.380 in early quarantine like we had taco tuesday but every night and it was the best it was really 0.98

00:57:30.560 comforting i mean you know i love that sort of thing like you're not gonna keep me to tuesdays

00:57:36.320 but yeah i gotta get that cabbage going again and then i also would like to get my fennel salad

00:57:41.500 ripped from ripped straight from the pages of uh ultra paradiso and okay you mandolin fennel

00:57:48.940 mandolin cheese castel vetrano yeah so you mandolin up the uh the fennel you mandolin it pretty thin

00:57:54.560 you do the olive oil but there's a specific i think a little lemon juice i feel like there's

00:58:00.440 a little bit of a vinegar a white vinegar maybe i believe it castel vetrano's and then you plate

00:58:06.760 it like this you throw the the castel vetrano's you kind of mash them with your hand you kind of

00:58:12.020 break them up a little pile of those toss the fennel with the olive oil and the vinegar and

00:58:16.920 pile it drop the fronds on top oh and then shave oh this is what it is this is key sharp

00:58:23.740 provolone folks you shave sharp provolone on there the the intersection of that cheese the

00:58:31.600 olive oil the tartness god you know what that sounds really good next to a bit the steak au

00:58:39.600 which i can make now really i'll make it for you one day how's that i'd love that i i went through

00:58:46.940 a thing where i was making a lot of steak and there was this whole thing i read this wonderful

00:58:51.680 article you salt the steak okay aggressively right rain salt on it you let it sit there 0.99

00:58:59.680 and then you lay like rosemary shallots whatever you want on top okay and you wait like a goddamn 0.94

00:59:06.600 hour now here's why you're gonna die the salt through osmosis draws the juices up and out it 0.95

00:59:14.640 soaks up the rosemary and the shallot and then re sinks back into the steak really are you not

00:59:23.340 are you just are you blown away i have no idea and you have to watch you'll see it get like wet

00:59:30.060 and moist discard the juice no it goes back in no because i'm familiar with patting a steak

00:59:36.420 dry because you don't want liquid on there because then oh right you don't want it steaming yeah yeah

00:59:40.500 yeah then you wipe off the salt basically okay okay so that was my question so it goes into the

00:59:47.220 meat i'm gonna send you the imagery is like stunning the imagery it's like it's like an

00:59:51.060 illustration send it to me send me the steak article and then it comes down and then i would

00:59:54.900 throw it in the pan with with some butter oh look at us chef poog we've never gone into recipes i

01:00:04.280 know um i do think we have to get on out also i have to eat yeah i can tell you're hungry so am

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - February 15, 2022

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