Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - He's God Fearin'

00:00:00.000 two best friends both alike in dignity nurturing phantoms and courting the muse 0.59

00:00:07.140 the hag divines when something must die yes that was poog but this is huge the ego loves to seek

00:00:13.660 but never to find it was berlant and novak the whole time 0.82

00:00:17.820 it's just so wild that you see them okay and to everyone joining we're talking about ghosts

00:00:26.540 well listen i'm just gonna get let me just get i have a paranormal she's cracked a celsius

00:00:33.560 i have a paranormal event that i'm going to talk about and listen i think people might go

00:00:40.700 people who will not i mean these aren't people these are the hacks okay these are the eaves

00:00:44.960 they know i but i think maybe i give off an impression of oh i'm a ghost person i'm ghosts

00:00:50.560 i'm not go i don't want to see ghosts i'm scared of ghosts right i have deference and fear are i

00:00:56.620 just not open to it yeah you jacqueline have helped me realize that i have seen a couple guys

00:01:01.720 i think so i saw my sounds like i've got grand canyon floating bust woman smiling but i had no

00:01:08.160 fear and then i had and this really shocks me i had no fear in london man top hat right full

00:01:15.340 coat, peacoat, the whole thing. No fear. Which brings me to this, where there was fear. Okay,

00:01:23.320 so I am arriving in Bend, Oregon, where I've never been before. Have you ever been there?

00:01:29.240 No. Which I've later learned is like an energy vortex or whatever.

00:01:32.980 Because I Googled it immediately, I think, when you were texting me.

00:01:37.020 Oh, really? Okay. And then someone running to Google.

00:01:39.020 a local told told me that too um anyway so i have to say i get there i land i'm like walking so

00:01:50.320 here's a classic i get there at like i get there at 3 40 the room's not ready i go guys and and the

00:01:57.120 the festival that i was performing at they put me up at a hotel and i was i was there for two nights

00:02:02.200 i was the point is room's not ready i'm like okay so thank god there's a health food store across

00:02:08.400 the street, like across the highway. So I walk across to the health food store and I swear to

00:02:12.060 God, just in the light, I was like, it was, there's an eerie glow. You mean once you're outside?

00:02:18.100 Wow. Yeah. Like I just was walking. I just remember feeling like, it's weird here. Like

00:02:23.200 just, I felt this thing. Like I remember feeling like, oh, this feels like an Ari Aster movie.

00:02:29.220 Scary. Like I was just like this. I just, I remember having that thought.

00:02:32.400 the tube level sorry because the tube my god as they say is um it's on strike

00:02:40.040 so traffic's at no time high i guess okay that's what we're hearing in the background folks london

00:02:46.180 traffic so and i i thought of you i thought of poog and i do have a photo for the for the

00:02:52.000 eavesdroppers because i i go i just bought i ended up not having to spend buy a single food item when

00:02:58.080 i was in bend i made all my own food because it was like damn and by made i just mean like hotel

00:03:02.920 yeah like i did the classic got a salad thing sugar i bought olive oil i bought i was thinking 0.76

00:03:09.460 of you i go this is crazy buy olive oil for two days i go well no one bottle is the price of one

00:03:13.340 shitty bowl that i ordered exactly you know so anyway so i go into the room and i and i do i

00:03:20.300 name the hotel so it's a lodge it's a it's a it's along a river business will only unless there's

00:03:26.280 issues with the hotel otherwise but but like paranormal business will be booming so you might

00:03:30.880 as well okay so it's called the riverside lodge and i sounds about right it's kind of one of those

00:03:37.280 things where it's sort of a converted motel i didn't look up how old it was i should now but

00:03:42.700 where the rooms are kind of updated so i get and it's big like it's a huge property they're like

00:03:47.260 okay there's this building there's this building there's that building like whoa so i go into my

00:03:51.040 room and I just opened the door and I was like, Hmm. And so it's one of those things where there's

00:03:56.280 a living room with doors open onto the, a river, truly it's a beautiful river. And then there's a

00:04:02.240 bedroom and then there are a couple of steps up to the bathroom area. Is the bathroom by the door?

00:04:08.000 Sorry. I know this is really specific. So you enter on a landing kind of, and then descend

00:04:12.940 two steps into the living room. You're unbelievable. It's like, you're there. That's crazy. Okay. Yes.

00:04:17.440 so and you know it has a microwave it has a little fridge whatever big living room I'm packing my

00:04:23.760 groceries and stuff um new me new life I literally go to the gym there which is um beautiful gym by

00:04:31.520 the way really yeah and so then I go back to my room that night I have off I'm and I'm tired I'm

00:04:38.440 quite tired so I fall asleep 10 o'clock 10 30 I'm out like a light okay and then oh okay key detail

00:04:46.900 So when I'm turning off the lights to the room, whatever, getting into bed, I notice as we've established the step up to the bathroom entrance area.

00:04:56.280 And I thought like, oh, wow, that's because I, as we know, I tragically pee in the night and I was like, that's a hazard.

00:05:02.740 And then I see, oh, there's a motion detector light right there at ankle height.

00:05:08.620 Up on the step.

00:05:10.000 On the step at ankle height.

00:05:11.360 I can tell that this is going to be highly relevant and I think I know why.

00:05:14.500 so there's emotion like at ankle height on the step i go okay that's smart because you know

00:05:20.420 so you don't trip and die okay so i pass out cold i wake up my eyes do the thing which is i'm sorry

00:05:31.220 to say it it's what happened the last two times when i had a kind of sighting let's say where my

00:05:36.620 eyes just open like there's no there's no there's no coming to there's no dream if just there's no

00:05:44.440 sound just like completely boom so my eyes open boom and here's what and here's what's strange i

00:05:52.300 say out loud and this is what wakes me up so weird he's god fearing with an apostrophe right

00:06:01.740 he's god fearing the hard g i go i wake myself up saying he's god fearing with the with the like so

00:06:08.000 So the, even though, but you don't remember or feel like there was a dream.

00:06:13.680 No dream attached whatsoever.

00:06:15.100 So it's almost like, you know, there's nothingness, right?

00:06:18.580 I just, you're nowhere.

00:06:20.120 And then suddenly you are eyes waking up cleanly going, he's God fearing.

00:06:26.100 Yep.

00:06:26.940 Truly.

00:06:27.780 And I remember thinking.

00:06:28.940 And it was like, the words were in my mouth and they were waking me up.

00:06:32.280 And I, because there was no dream attached. 0.99

00:06:34.540 I was like, what the fuck? 0.95

00:06:35.760 and i wake up he's god-fearing the sound of it wakes me up i wake up and i'm just kind of staring 0.98

00:06:42.540 and then boom within five seconds the motion light goes off and i'm flooded with fear i'm like no

00:06:50.420 let's say i just want to make sure everyone's got the physics because you're on a bed and you're

00:06:55.560 not rustling blankets that are hanging over onto the floor no and to be clear the motion light is

00:07:00.960 in the other room so let's just say i were waiting my arms you're in the bedroom would not set it

00:07:05.040 off i'm in the i'm in a whole different room but from my from where i'm sitting i can see

00:07:09.040 that the open door where there's the steps i and i can't see the motion light itself i mean i see

00:07:14.640 the light go off the sensor itself i don't even see but just it's like within seconds i wake up 0.76

00:07:19.840 i'm in the dark and then boom the motion light goes off and i'm like fuck and i'm completely 0.56

00:07:25.560 wide awake and i'm scared and i'm like are you kidding me i look over it is 2 55 a.m of course 0.96

00:07:31.920 and i'm like shit and i'm like i'm awake now this is scary this is scary this makes no sense 0.76

00:07:40.780 why would that be going off and i'm like there's no one i can call i'm alone i text you to be like 0.92

00:07:48.540 and i was like i'm scared i mean we can look back and see the text but i i was scared oh i text

00:07:53.900 oh was this oh right i i remember i think yeah oh no the next day well i remember okay but i

00:08:00.960 texted in that moment knowing that no one would answer because it was the dead of night but i was 0.58

00:08:04.660 so scared and then by the way one of the ways i calmed myself down was like oh it's just a poog 0.63

00:08:08.720 episode this is just for poog yes yes you're just gonna talk about some poog you're gonna be fine

00:08:12.200 that's beautiful i thank god by the grace of god because i text naomi i'm scared i'm like well

00:08:16.440 they're dead asleep they happen to be awake they happen to be awake because they fell asleep on the

00:08:20.760 couch and we're transferring to the bedroom so thank god so i talked to them for a few minutes

00:08:24.700 I'm scared.

00:08:26.480 I'm like, all right, all right, I'm going to go back to bed.

00:08:29.000 Like, I have to go to sleep.

00:08:32.540 So somehow, oh, no, not somehow.

00:08:34.760 I down a Agent Nature sleep.

00:08:37.960 The magnesium?

00:08:39.240 No, it's not magnesium.

00:08:40.540 It's the sleep.

00:08:41.060 I keep forgetting.

00:08:41.800 But maybe there's magnesium in there, but it's the tart cherry packets,

00:08:44.920 which I want more of, and I need to buy more because they're unbelievable.

00:08:49.480 I'd really like to get into that.

00:08:52.080 They're amazing.

00:08:52.600 I down that.

00:08:53.320 i fall asleep so then and i am not a nightmare person i really don't get nightmares yeah i 0.83

00:09:02.020 proceed to have nightmares all fucking night and i'm waking up from them gasping some of them and 0.70

00:09:08.960 so the next one that i have is lucid i haven't had a lucid dream in a second so i haven't i'm 0.83

00:09:16.500 having a lucid dream that i'm in the bedroom where i am right i'm looking into the hall where the

00:09:21.700 light was i have a little bouncy ball like a rubber ball and i'm bouncing it into the hallway 0.94

00:09:28.180 and in the dream i'm like fuck you are you there like trying to like talk to whatever is i was like 0.98

00:09:33.580 are you coming out like i'm aggressive i'm like fine are you there like come on show yourself 0.99

00:09:38.240 bitch i bounce it bounce it it bounces back as if like thrown from the other room exactly like 0.99

00:09:44.340 like whoever whoever whatever is in the hall bounces it back and that's really scary in the 0.99

00:09:49.060 dream. And it, and it wakes me up and I go, and I do one of those and I wake up and then I'm like

00:09:54.180 chills on my body. I feel scared. Like I just feel this really, and I feel creepy. I feel like

00:10:02.660 I just don't feel good. And I'm like, okay, cool. Now I'm awake again. And I'm truly just like

00:10:09.400 praying for morning. I'm like, please let morning come. So then, and this is where it sounds a

00:10:15.240 little, but so after the ball gets bounced back and I'm really scared, I'm awake. I'm like, oh,

00:10:20.120 I close my eyes and I proceed to cease. And I, I see something which I've seen. This is something

00:10:25.500 that I have from time to time where, and I'm really curious if other listeners have this.

00:10:30.900 The only other person I've heard described this to me is my father who I once described doing this

00:10:35.920 years and years ago. And he was like, oh yeah, my dad who has zero interest or belief in ghosts or

00:10:41.300 anything even remotely paranormal or anything i was like yeah sometimes when i close my eyes

00:10:46.840 i can see in like complete unbelievable photographic detail and it's like a black

00:10:52.000 and white negative it looks like that faces things like and the detail is profound it's

00:10:57.360 like i'm just looking staring at a photograph you're like are my eyes it's like it feels

00:11:00.340 like your eyes are open behind your lids kind of feeling yeah exactly yeah and my dad my dad

00:11:05.280 described that people to him faces oh yeah an extreme detail and i want to describe that to

00:11:09.980 him i think i was like 16 and he was like oh yeah i get that sometimes and he was like i called that

00:11:15.260 the funnies no he's like oh yeah i always call that the funnies i was like what excuse me okay

00:11:20.980 because like they're kind of like the comic strips i guess yeah like black and white yeah i guess so

00:11:27.240 which is really compelling we never talked about it again but so he's good okay so i so the ball 0.96

00:11:33.160 bounces back i wake up in terror i'm like what the fuck what the fuck and then i close my eyes and i 0.97

00:11:37.340 see in complete detail a man's face he's like older i've never seen before older wrinkly face 0.98

00:11:45.140 and then i see next to him a middle-aged woman smiling she's not scary neither of them seem 0.95

00:11:51.780 scary actually i'm just like looking at them and then i see if i may a fucking ghoulish scary 0.86

00:12:00.180 skeletal yeah figure and i was like oh still with the eyes closed in pure detail okay yeah 0.83

00:12:08.220 and where is the figure are the others gone or is it joined the the couple

00:12:12.100 the the skeleton one because you would describe the man it's like in succession yeah i see the

00:12:19.900 man oh then the woman then the woman yeah i'm kind of aware that they're together okay and

00:12:24.800 that's what it seemed like okay yeah and then i see the ghoul skeleton like like it was brief it 0.99

00:12:31.560 was just but it was like like a fucking goddamn ghoul like i don't know how to describe it was 0.99

00:12:36.460 it was a scary looking face face humanoid obviously somewhat yeah but more more like 0.99

00:12:43.960 like i don't know just like a common illustration like uh yeah yeah like the kind that i would hang

00:12:50.080 up front on halloween like completely like a very familiar archetypal that okay and i'm like okay

00:12:57.500 fuck what and how long if is it brief is it seconds it's like one it's like each face is 0.81

00:13:05.480 maybe like five seconds now why now here and i don't mean why zero in yeah i don't mean right to 0.99

00:13:11.260 go i don't mean why like questioning what you do this is more to investigate what's happening

00:13:18.940 yeah why in that moment the second that you see the skeleton and i mean like the half second that

00:13:25.040 you first see it right why do you stay with it for two seconds versus pop open screen whatever

00:13:31.240 so exactly so interesting because it's so fascinating like yeah it's so fascinating i

00:13:36.180 can see it right and i'm like lucid and what it is is like that's what i was hoping for in my mind

00:13:40.300 i'm going like this oh my god like i'm like are you kidding and i'm looking and i'm just like my

00:13:48.300 It feels like my eyes are wide.

00:13:50.120 Here's what's so bizarre.

00:13:51.200 It feels like my eyes are wide awake.

00:13:53.280 Like I'm opening them, like straining them open.

00:13:55.700 Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:13:57.540 Right.

00:13:57.840 And so I see that.

00:14:00.040 And then, and in those moments, I have to say, I don't feel scared necessarily.

00:14:06.140 It's more just like fascinated.

00:14:09.060 It's not the scared feeling I get when I, like when the light went, when I was looking

00:14:13.120 at the hallway, it's like a different feeling.

00:14:14.460 So then somehow I'm like.

00:14:18.300 fall asleep again, and I proceed to have nightmares, which again, very unusual for me. 0.99

00:14:26.160 And I'm waking up throughout the night, and I'm fucking praying for goddamn morning. 0.97

00:14:33.240 Are the nightmares, are any of them- 0.98

00:14:37.200 They're partially lucid, but they have nothing to do. It's kind of more classic, like,

00:14:41.340 I'm at my parents' house, I'm downstairs, I hear voices outside, I'm scared. I go to open the door

00:14:45.520 to investigate, but then I'm too scared.

00:14:48.300 I open it and then I see darkness of the night

00:14:50.420 and I'm like terrified.

00:14:51.980 It's just like nothing.

00:14:53.680 And then what else?

00:14:54.600 I mean, kind of like, they won't sound interesting,

00:14:57.000 but they're scary to me.

00:14:58.840 And so then, okay, so I mean, that's it, so to speak.

00:15:03.620 But then the next thing that happened,

00:15:05.660 which is just completely coincidental,

00:15:07.260 but was terrifying, is at one point,

00:15:11.440 I think I smell cigarette smoke.

00:15:13.020 And I'm like, oh, also a key detail is

00:15:14.880 the hotel is silent it's not the thing where i can hear footsteps above next door and that

00:15:19.900 contributes to being scared because it's just like there's it feels like i'm alone like it feels like

00:15:23.420 there's no it's not like if you're in a high rise well um like did did it seem like the hotel was

00:15:29.340 there are people there a lot of people there yeah but i just kind of in the night i was like

00:15:33.440 it's so silent i mean you're just hearing nothing so then and then i think at one point i smell

00:15:39.380 cigarette smoke and i'm like well that's really weird and not like you've suddenly become aware

00:15:43.860 of like oh this must have been a smoking room once no more like a prominent smell yeah yeah

00:15:50.000 but that will come become clear soon i think so okay okay so then but then so after all of this

00:15:56.560 again clear all the factor it's like it's like i forget what it is but there's a nose one like

00:16:01.680 clear nosy i know well i i was like what is that but then sorry go on so then i after this horrible

00:16:07.740 night i am awoken at 5 30 a.m to the most to the loudest scariest bang my eyes open and i go i'm

00:16:15.900 like are you kidding me could this get any and i and my first thought is like oh the world's ending

00:16:21.980 like or i was like that terrifying thing of like is that natural disaster is that a bolt of

00:16:26.260 lightning that's striking the hotel what is that turns out so then so then i that i look at the

00:16:36.740 i proceed to fall asleep and wake up at 10 30 a.m so i slept in which i which i attribute to

00:16:46.020 the agent nothing and fell back asleep fell back asleep and then you didn't investigate what was

00:16:50.780 that bang no okay nope 5 30 10 30 i'm out like a light and again i attribute that to the agent not

00:16:55.880 to pack it um i wake up i go outside forest fire level smoke wildfire ptsd la like i'm like what

00:17:06.100 the fuck no one yeah there's a hotel there's a there's a fire nearby like and i it's so much

00:17:14.180 so that i put on a mask i have a mask i'm like i'm like uh guys fire active at that moment like 0.99

00:17:19.260 when had the fire begun i'm sorry but i have i'm not sure like in the earlier in the earlier oh

00:17:23.220 and guess what the bang i go to the front desk i go hi i heard anyone here they go oh yeah it was

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00:19:04.820 and then of course i look up and if you look at like bend oregon explosion you can see

00:19:13.620 people's ring cameras and stuff like house is shaking like a huge explosion so i was like okay

00:19:18.820 yeah and a fire that night separate and a fire that night yeah so like creepy stuff and i'm going

00:19:24.800 i'd like to leave this town and i'd like to leave this town fast so i immediately by the way i start

00:19:32.420 um i'm supposed to leave the next day at like four i get i changed my flight to 7 a.m

00:19:38.220 because i'm by the way the whole day i'm feeling that night i have a show the whole day i'm feeling

00:19:43.360 this, and you could say, oh, well, it's from the night. I just feel eerie. I feel this buzzy

00:19:49.180 energy. Here's what it feels like. It feels like I had way, way, way too much caffeine,

00:19:52.900 but I hadn't. I had one coffee. I feel this buzzing, eerie, induced thing. I don't like

00:20:02.100 it. And I'm like, I want to go. So I ended up switching rooms, which I thought, because I was

00:20:08.840 already like i don't want to sleep in that room again oh you changed um you changed it for the

00:20:13.340 following day just an earlier flight okay two nights total okay so now it's the day that i

00:20:20.360 have my show oh right right okay and i noticed that morning the bedroom window wouldn't fully

00:20:26.360 close and that's why i was getting the smoke smell right like so i go hey my door my window

00:20:31.520 won't fully close and i go you know what could i just switch rooms because i'm like just do it

00:20:35.300 Kate, I don't need to be in there. Oh, by the way, you know what I think we should do on air

00:20:39.520 right now? Maybe I should call and ask if they've ever had paranormal stuff.

00:20:44.480 Yeah. Okay. But listen, I wanted to ask, but I was too scared. So I switched rooms. I go,

00:20:49.300 thank you. You're too scared because you know you have another night there.

00:20:51.880 Yes. I go. And that day I was like, how am I going to go to sleep in that room tonight? I'm

00:20:56.540 going to be too scared. They go, yeah, we can switch rooms. I'm so happy to leave that room.

00:21:01.180 I can't tell you. I'm packing so fast. It does not feel inconvenient. I'm like, get me the fuck

00:21:05.720 out of here. They moved me to a room that's in a different building as well, which is comically

00:21:10.760 in the scary thing where it's as far as you can walk. We're basically up against the woods.

00:21:14.760 It's like this building and then the final room and that's my room. But I go in there,

00:21:20.640 identical layout. The room is at the threshold. Yeah, exactly. Identical layout except reversed.

00:21:26.620 Your room is the doorway to the darkest of the woods.

00:21:29.300 all right no but i was like but then i'm comforted because there's so many cars in the driveway there

00:21:35.320 that i'm like okay i'm surrounded by people like that's cool i proceed to have the worst show i've

00:21:40.540 had in years which which i actually can openly i can be like the sound it really was an issue with

00:21:47.540 like the sound it's just an acoustic hell like i really felt for people and at one point in the

00:21:52.000 show i had to acknowledge it and literally an audience member yelled like the sound is terrible

00:21:55.660 like it was like classic festival show it was the tiniest and also the sound thing where when

00:22:02.040 i'm doing sound check i was like uh-oh like i don't know technically how to describe it to the

00:22:06.620 guy but i at one point there was so much reverb i go whoa is there like a reverb effect he's like

00:22:12.020 no i'm like by the way there was like he was like the room's big i was like the room's not big it's

00:22:18.060 400 max seats like this is not like oh i'm at msg and i'm hearing a little filming or taping my

00:22:24.640 interactions during sound check because on the road because they were so bad that so shocking 0.99

00:22:33.020 so doubting of you the artist oh yeah oh yeah that you're a fool well it's a gender thing honey 0.97

00:22:40.320 yeah i mean it was incredible and because uh you know you try to it's like when you try to 0.98

00:22:45.680 recount later you're like so i was like i'm gonna have to start recording during this because

00:22:50.820 later i want to be like listen to what like showing like chris like listen to what he said

00:22:56.900 to me because you know you can't remember the details like i hate when i can't remember the

00:23:02.000 details of like rudeness yeah so i'm just like it's really hot in there it's like it's just a

00:23:11.620 the worst show right right oh weren't you saying like um crossed arms like there were like there

00:23:17.060 There were, like, a few, like, you know, older men in their probably late 50s, early 60s, arms crossed, completely stone-faced front row with their, like, disapproving wives.

00:23:27.860 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:23:28.880 There were also sweet people in the crowd completely.

00:23:31.660 God bless.

00:23:32.980 And I felt really bad because I was like, oh, this just is not – it just ain't happening tonight.

00:23:38.280 And it's kind of – I kind of had to just – it was –

00:23:42.420 Festivals are challenging.

00:23:45.580 yeah yeah let's say that yeah it's like there's something fundamentally

00:23:51.640 not functional for comedy with the festival i don't know i don't know i'm not sure why but

00:23:59.020 it's interesting so but then i was really really i had a wonderful guy who was like my security

00:24:06.400 guard driver guy yeah shout out to ben he was an angel and i told him i go ben would you believe

00:24:12.380 it if i told you like i think i saw had like a ghost thing last night he was like oh and he's

00:24:17.100 like i don't really believe in ghosts he's like but he's like bend oregon is like an energy like

00:24:21.780 there's weird stuff here and i was like really let me start talking point is i go back to my room

00:24:28.440 and when you're already in a kind of scared state it's like something that would ordinarily mean

00:24:33.520 nothing you're like so of course i look over so that day i had been in bed because i just felt

00:24:40.920 weird i just was like i want to just get through this day it was just a weird feeling and there

00:24:45.100 was a digital clock next to the bed which i swear i had noticed before it was normal i get into my 0.76

00:24:50.200 room it's 10 p.m it is blinking digital 344 344 and i'm like why no isn't that fucking eerie 0.52

00:25:01.940 so you'd been you got checked into your new room earlier is my point there's a chance that you 0.88

00:25:06.940 hadn't noticed that the clock had been blinking but i fucking swear to god it was next to the bed 0.72

00:25:11.760 and i was there all day yes you glance at a bed something's blinking your eye goes to it yes your 0.97

00:25:16.420 eye goes to it and i had been in that room all day i was in bed watching fucking tv i was like 0.98

00:25:21.000 i would have seen it and i get in there 344 blinking on the clock i'm like fuck this i flip 0.95

00:25:29.260 and by the way the clock i cannot unplug it it's like a thing where it's like 0.71

00:25:32.380 I don't know how to describe it.

00:25:34.180 It's like fed through this solid oak thing that I can't move.

00:25:38.360 So I flipped the digital clock.

00:25:39.160 You'd have to cut it with a knife.

00:25:40.220 Exactly. 0.86

00:25:40.680 I flipped the digital clock.

00:25:41.800 I'm like, uh-uh.

00:25:42.340 Face down.

00:25:42.920 I down another agent, Natu, or maybe it was a Klonopin.

00:25:45.960 I can't remember.

00:25:47.360 And I was like, I'm going to bed.

00:25:49.920 You can't remember.

00:25:50.520 It sounds like it was a Klonopin.

00:25:51.240 And I will not be scared.

00:25:52.440 Well, I was texting to you.

00:25:53.920 I was texting you.

00:25:54.600 Oh, so this was huge.

00:25:55.520 And I prayed.

00:25:56.300 Obviously for the group.

00:25:57.060 Oh, wait.

00:25:57.640 I want to say this.

00:25:58.260 The previous night of the scary haunting, I said out loud at some point,

00:26:02.380 I do not want to communicate. I am closed to this. Like, I don't want, I said something like

00:26:08.700 that out loud, like, nope, go away. Don't want to do it. Well, the classic, and I think listeners

00:26:13.900 would remember, respectfully, I do not wish to see you. That was you in London. Remember?

00:26:20.660 Oh my God. Oh yeah. That's very impressive. Okay. Go on, go on. So then I'm on the bed and I pray,

00:26:27.380 you're like Archangel Michael. I'm like, all right. So I'm like Archangel Michael,

00:26:30.560 by calling you like please protect me no no right because this i just want to take it because when

00:26:34.940 this was happening i was like this is special we have to talk about this right because i feel like

00:26:40.560 i was in bed or something or you know i i don't know like because i guess i don't know what time

00:26:45.660 it would have been for you who knows point it because i'm eight hours later how was i in bed

00:26:50.500 like well who knows but but it felt like night to me too is the point and you know you're like

00:26:57.320 i'm scared whatever and i'm just like you know you might have some gifts we know this i'm like

00:27:03.240 remember how can i was like remember how connected you were at camp to remember you were like

00:27:07.700 connecting with the christ light at eight oh yeah that wasn't camp honey that was on my knees

00:27:12.900 praying the rosary no i know i thought like i thought it was at a camp that you like didn't

00:27:17.160 know was like a religious camp or something oh yeah i did like accidentally go to a christian

00:27:21.340 yeah yeah yeah but like so but but i was like quit in a pinch i'm just like yeah call call on

00:27:31.040 michael okay because i've heard others say this and people you know like whose books i read and

00:27:37.600 it's so cool when other people talk i think i was i don't know if i was talking about the stage or

00:27:42.180 something like you know forgive me okay but but like i was talking about someone and i'm it could

00:27:47.760 have been here but i don't think it was but just like when people refer to the archangels like

00:27:51.660 like we'll just call him michael you're like michael like yeah yeah yeah you're like whoa

00:27:58.360 right and then i was like if i recall i was like what i've read archangel michael like has a sword

00:28:06.460 and is like of course they're they all have light and carry light and whatever but but

00:28:12.320 this protective sword whole kind of thing and just cutting through the darkness and

00:28:19.660 I don't know and then I was like and then oh and then I started googling looking for like

00:28:25.100 you know a strong sort of satisfying image of Michael to send to you and I'm looking and there's

00:28:31.380 always this thing like deviant art like back in the day like there's this very particular kind of

00:28:35.700 spiritual fantasy religious drawing that like comes up on the internet a lot and it's always

00:28:41.560 a little like too you know like the divine figures are a little too like sexy like it looks a little

00:28:47.520 bit too fanfic you know but it's very specific so i'm like wading through those trying to find

00:28:53.680 something that feels a little more like classical or archetypal whatever anyway and then right then

00:28:59.660 like pops back at me one from you like you had also been searching yeah and like you had sent

00:29:05.140 me right like you had sent me that like one of the ones i was about to send you yeah you know

00:29:09.340 I was like, yes, you're like, I'm right.

00:29:14.300 You're like, I'm all right.

00:29:16.180 The light will protect me.

00:29:17.780 Oh, and then I also told you the other thing that I think I talked about in here, but I'm not sure.

00:29:21.560 Maybe not.

00:29:23.100 That my energy healing told me, which was close up your energy field, ask for support, bubbling yourself up, right?

00:29:30.580 And then close up your energy field like you're in a little velvet jewelry bag that has the tie ribbon at the top.

00:29:35.980 I love that.

00:29:36.440 Pull it at the top.

00:29:37.520 Pull it tight.

00:29:38.480 I love that cinches tight and your energy is I love that that's good contained that's good 0.96

00:29:46.260 shit it's good the velvet yeah yeah so I I called upon Michael it helped and then I'm like I take 0.96

00:29:56.060 my pill good night everyone I'm out um and then I had to wake up really early I had to wake up it 1.00

00:30:04.640 was like one of those things where i had to wake up at five and eyes awake but let's get the fuck 0.57

00:30:10.980 out of here i'm like grabbing my stuff it's like there's a great feeling when you just you're going 0.74

00:30:16.600 home oh my god yeah get me out and then that's and i i'm sorry to say it but i swear to god guys

00:30:25.500 it was like the second i started descending into la i just felt better like like the energy that

00:30:30.760 buzzy, weird anxiety. It was just gone. It was like, and I was like, well, I'm never going back.

00:30:35.840 I was just like, you're not going to get me there. It's too weird.

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00:32:05.660 I just have to know. I know I Googled this at night, but Bend, Oregon.

00:32:10.700 Should I call them and ask them?

00:32:12.080 Riverside Lodge. Oh, I'm writing haunted. Let's just see if we can get that.

00:32:16.040 Oh, I looked for it later because I was so scared.

00:32:19.600 Kate, this is unbelievable.

00:32:24.020 No, stop.

00:32:24.740 What?

00:32:25.220 Don't.

00:32:25.520 Wait, wait, wait.

00:32:28.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:32:29.980 No, no, no.

00:32:30.420 Everything's fine.

00:32:31.160 Everything's fine.

00:32:31.760 Wait, wait, wait.

00:32:34.620 Did you think you saw, like, a haunting report?

00:32:37.740 I thought it said, like, the most haunted place is the Riverside Lodge, okay, in Bend, Oregon.

00:32:42.880 That would be amazing.

00:32:43.420 Okay, but let me just see this.

00:32:44.580 haunted haunted wait bend oregon riverside lodge paranormal activity i always think like because i

00:32:55.700 talk about ghosts a lot sorry on stage okay yeah yeah but like that like any hags in the audience 0.53

00:33:01.580 are like this is so pathetic like jacqueline obsessed with ghosts talking about like all this 0.93

00:33:07.100 stuff you know what i mean and then like kate's used them you know what i mean like kate's out 0.90

00:33:12.320 they're seeing them and i'm like let's go do it together oh my god i mean i'd be the guy with the 0.88

00:33:18.280 fucking equipment you know which i always you know best i'm convinced wait anyway i'll have to 0.81

00:33:24.860 look later it's just i mean i wonder if now is the time now that i've distances passed because 0.98

00:33:31.180 remember i didn't want to talk about it on the podcast because it was too intense my hotel

00:33:37.420 experience in amsterdam i never talked about it here let's go no it's not you know it's it's not

00:33:47.020 like i i saw no apparitions etc right i remember reading this thing and like like you know about

00:33:54.700 um gifts and and some and everyone when they're training you know in these they're trying to train

00:34:01.860 spiritual whatever like everyone wants to be um clairvoyant like like that's very like

00:34:07.860 yeah well i can see them you know like yeah and it's very almost you know like all the students

00:34:13.620 want to be clairvoyant or whatever yeah yeah and then like some of the students that are clairvoyant

00:34:17.640 like have like an ego about it okay sure and it's dangerous because sometimes the ego like takes

00:34:24.380 them and like and then they like they fall out of the light okay or their gifts are revoked

00:34:31.980 oh shit point is it's pretty special you know i do want you to develop the gifts 0.83

00:34:39.840 you know but but stay humble to them kate i'm getting a very um i gotta put the phone down 0.97

00:34:46.400 it's really interrupting all sacred light um oh wow anything yeah well strong messages they

00:34:54.240 talk about that they talk oh really oh i thought you were saying in order to

00:34:58.800 hear to have a clear channel or that is what you're saying i thought you're saying yeah

00:35:05.040 but well you always you know so many of these mediums these books i i enjoy reading

00:35:14.120 their autobiographies memoirs where they you know talk about for years you know the ways that

00:35:20.580 they you know suffered with a with hideous anxiety for 30 years you know until they embraced their 0.97

00:35:27.600 gifts okay yes like like they were fighting that shit down like they were they were with everything 0.84

00:35:35.340 they got like feeling something and resisting it and i think i remember like and and you know 0.93

00:35:44.000 there is i have no interest in you know that's a charles and i don't care it rings true you know

00:35:50.560 what i mean like i just whatever like there's that's a different conversation but like

00:35:54.020 anyway it's pretty interesting

00:35:57.280 wait i want to hear about amsterdam but is it is it fun or not fun to call the riverside lodge

00:36:04.780 of course it's fun and by the way it's like i sent a picture i'll post it on the pod

00:36:09.100 of the i sent you a photo of where i was staying like it looks like the exterior looks scary okay

00:36:15.080 again no complaints about this hotel whatsoever okay say you're writing about it i just wanted

00:36:20.080 just sound legitimate no i'm gonna just say this is so i'm just gonna be completely honest all

00:36:23.980 right fine for group sales and marketing inquiries press two for new room reservations press three

00:36:30.580 for existing room reservations press four uh front desk and accounting yeah front desk thank you i

00:36:37.400 think yeah okay yeah riverhouse please hold on while i try that extension this is riverhouse

00:36:42.580 lodge front desk how can i help you hi how are you i have an unusual question for you i stayed

00:36:47.000 with you guys a couple weeks ago i had a great stay for a couple nights um this is so funny to

00:36:52.460 say but have you guys do you have anyone who's ever talked about like ghosts or anything at your

00:36:56.760 place at the hotel um you know i've only been here for three months but no i have not heard

00:37:04.160 anything about that in three months okay um ask if like his colleagues ask his colleagues well

00:37:11.160 it's funny because like and it's i'm not like a ghost person like you don't know me obviously but

00:37:15.960 i swear i'm not someone who's but yeah i had like a really i actually switched rooms i had a great

00:37:20.880 time at the hotel but i actually switched rooms because i had a really great experience in one of

00:37:24.620 the rooms and okay and i was just curious like i was like oh what if it's a thing where people

00:37:29.960 numerous people are like yeah i've seen a ghost there or something particularly with like bend

00:37:34.460 oregon being like a vortex no i i haven't i mean i remember um i actually remember like coming in

00:37:41.960 and uh like starting and um some areas that they showed me like they gave me two around the hotel

00:37:48.560 and they had said a couple things like people are creeped out in this one area or yada yada

00:37:54.100 no way check which if it was i was in i think i was in i was in like 21 22

00:38:00.080 or was it okay um i don't know because i actually moved like the entire they moved me to a totally

00:38:06.720 different building i didn't tell them that i was freaked out because it's like so you know i didn't

00:38:11.860 want to be like I think there's a ghost in that room so I just moved rooms but that's interesting

00:38:16.320 people said that yeah okay wow well thank you for that yeah if you don't mind me asking what

00:38:26.260 do you remember what room you were in yeah I think it was you know I took a picture of the

00:38:29.600 key I think it was 20 it was either 21 22 or 22 21 wait I can tell you because I specifically

00:38:37.600 took a picture of the you could tell him your name you could i mean i could give you my name

00:38:43.020 you could let go on a reservation but oh here we go 21 22 21 22 okay i'll just make a note of that

00:38:53.200 yeah 21 22 it's like right by it was right by a stairway too like it was like a room that was

00:39:00.620 kind of by a staircase yeah okay let me see i wonder what room type it's a pretty big room

00:39:07.580 yeah the one bedroom street with the fire pit yeah ask if that building has history

00:39:14.200 is it old is the is the hotel old

00:39:18.020 yeah it is pretty old i believe it's around like 70 years old okay

00:39:25.120 yeah weird okay yeah well yeah that is interesting what what happened well i just like you know i'm

00:39:34.100 not someone i don't get i'm not like a nightmare person i never get nightmares but it was like i

00:39:37.960 woke up with this really weird nightmare and a really specific image in my head of people and

00:39:44.300 then the motion there's like a motion light in the room by the bathroom area and i woke up out

00:39:49.820 of this nightmare and the motion light went off like a few seconds later and um yeah just weird

00:39:56.960 like i just i had these like kind of weird visions and i just felt really weird like in my body like

00:40:03.000 i just really felt and i travel alone constantly for work so i'm you know i'm in hotels all the

00:40:08.640 time alone this never happens to me so it was like a very weird thing wow okay yeah i would

00:40:14.740 would have switched rooms too yeah yeah um but the hotel was great particularly loved the gym

00:40:20.920 beautiful it was great okay well have a good day thanks yeah of course you as well bye

00:40:27.380 love it by the way yeah i walk around they go people get creeped out in this area

00:40:32.380 hello i know he dropped that i think he wanted to see how long three months he wanted three months

00:40:38.460 yeah yeah yeah like i think he had built a little more trust like he wasn't just gonna

00:40:44.200 immediately go like you know the first questions like this woman's on the phone and go yeah when

00:40:48.440 we come here you know this happens and then someone's like types it up says it what i'm also

00:40:53.020 imagining like what if there's someone in bend what if there's a hag in bend oregon and they're

00:40:56.740 like there is i love well i'm like and they're like that guy was great okay and like maybe it

00:41:02.840 sparks a love connection just like on sleepless in seattle yeah because i was like that it's

00:41:08.640 probably six school right i know i wonder what you're picturing it's like but you're like that

00:41:14.200 that is masculinity that's not afraid you know what i mean well there yeah there it is it's like

00:41:20.260 no it's like yeah you can be open and cool completely like it's yeah it's a confident

00:41:28.960 masculinity there are the river house lodge there are hags yeah in bend i met them so river house

00:41:35.980 Maybe you said that the whole time.

00:41:38.100 Sorry.

00:41:38.340 No, I think I did say Riverside by accident.

00:41:40.760 There's a run on the bank that is his heart, okay?

00:41:43.980 Like right now, like hags are flying into the hotel.

00:41:49.500 To meet him? 0.99

00:41:50.500 Yeah.

00:41:52.200 Oh, my God.

00:41:54.040 Yeah, well, that's my Bend, Oregon story.

00:41:58.360 Wow.

00:42:02.460 Well, should I tell you about Amsterdam now?

00:42:04.860 Yes.

00:42:05.980 You know, I'm always, you know, on the lookout, right?

00:42:15.820 But wait, set the stage.

00:42:16.860 This is recently for a few nights, right?

00:42:19.380 Not that recently.

00:42:20.480 I mean, this was in like March, whatever my same suitcase, right?

00:42:27.040 You know, like still part of this long trip, like my green blazer.

00:42:31.700 um and it was a it was like a couple nights in amsterdam and and it was between a couple shows

00:42:40.980 where i feel like i was there like four nights or something it was a bit longer and i decided

00:42:45.080 all right well i'll stay in amsterdam that could be interesting i've never been there were you

00:42:48.840 alone yeah yeah and so do you remember the whole um a brass knob can't save you that was my early

00:42:58.780 review of hoxton or something yeah seattle or something yeah because it was sort of you know

00:43:06.180 you're like the design is correct in this way right you're like you're like they they know

00:43:10.140 what they know what i need they're hip right they're gonna care about the same things i care

00:43:15.360 about but if you dig into their literature they're kind of into this you know almost european hostile

00:43:23.360 mentality like there's stuff in their literature like like we want people to socialize like

00:43:30.040 downstairs you know we we want our bar and our restaurant to be for the community okay

00:43:35.800 not just the hotel guests right people to connect like we want it to feel like not a hotel restaurant

00:43:40.760 but just a local cool place right and then and and this is basically their defense of not having

00:43:47.760 like snacks in the room okay or room service yeah always we want you to come downstairs

00:43:53.020 is bleary eyed in the morning wait the water was an issue there was no coffee this is the 0.77

00:43:57.740 this is the nazi place well and even more than that it was it was it had a lot of things right 0.54

00:44:03.440 so it was like i mean yes including that so it was like um but i go to the hawk's that you know

00:44:10.760 i'm i'm pretty beat on this trip and that you know and and i was i i and i think this like

00:44:19.740 really put me over okay but i get there oh so so i'm really struggling with decisions about the

00:44:26.360 hotel and it seems like there's all these fabulous hotels but they're pretty expensive these like

00:44:31.700 amsterdam canal looking like oh the canal houses or whatever like these things right like surely

00:44:37.340 that's where i want to stay but indecision cost i was like fuck it i'm going to the hoxton okay

00:44:43.160 and they're like this is the new hoxton by the river okay the other one was sold out whatever 0.95

00:44:47.580 another river yes energy flows right across them so i just sat in the hoxton i show up it is

00:44:58.560 you know a massive you know rectangular just that kind of building like a school you know

00:45:06.440 has that look go in and they've they've retained the kind of like nine like early 1900s sort of

00:45:16.140 uh like swimming like local um like public swimming pool kind of tiling it's very school

00:45:23.040 tiling very public uh pool like swimming pool like it's just i don't know that's that's the vibe

00:45:28.360 and i go and i go okay like so i got i don't know about this and i go like what happens if like

00:45:35.740 after night i wanted to leave you know because i'm here for like five nights and they're like

00:45:39.360 they're like oh um and then they like use a lot of you know words to just say like

00:45:44.560 you absolutely get nothing back oh my god you know what I mean like it's like really yeah I'm

00:45:51.520 like oh okay so like I've made my bed so I guess I'll be staying here then right it was like it 0.99

00:45:59.600 was like no 24 hour 48 hours it was it was shockingly I remember being like I'm fucked 0.87

00:46:05.340 right like okay yeah and I don't remember what threw me at first when I got there 0.63

00:46:11.880 but they give you they hand you like like a bottle of water or something at the desk and

00:46:16.860 this is not like as a kindness it's like that's the water you'll be drinking all night okay so

00:46:21.880 i know i head up i go um and and i go whoa like it is kind of gorgeous i mean relatively it may

00:46:29.840 not gorgeous but it's it's that it's the brass knob it's the um i think wood floors which as

00:46:38.320 you know i mean i really like these days in hotel and so you go wood floors and i mean it is the

00:46:44.040 classic performance velvet and which was my issue at that same hoxton way back when where you come

00:46:50.260 in it's sort of the design the colors it's all very like you know the mustard and the navy and

00:46:55.560 the warm wood and and the brass knobs and then you know like stain on the performance velvet couch

00:47:02.500 right that's just like central yeah and it's this weird thing where it's you're kind of like so i'm 0.59

00:47:07.600 the asshole you know what i mean like right like oh i guess this is for it to be left like this 0.81

00:47:11.760 means the hotel stands behind it right in a way and it's the kind of thing where you're like this 1.00

00:47:17.160 would come off with if you just worked it and it always looks like semen right what is it's a bj

00:47:23.580 stain and somebody was sitting on the couch getting a bj and you know it's just okay you

00:47:32.280 know it's just like uh right it's just it's just and i get grossed out whatever but like they're

00:47:38.220 they're really i gotta say the hoxton's really pushing in like an like uh they're really pushing

00:47:42.200 a lifestyle they've got these you know they're really into calling because they have really

00:47:47.480 small rooms they like own it you know they're like you can stay in the box the super cozy

00:47:53.320 the little bit maker you know they're doing a whole you know you can sign up for their club

00:47:58.260 whatever so beyond no coffee in the room you know like like and I'm looking around I'm pretty I I

00:48:06.840 I'm almost positive no room service ever okay so I'm just like this is a nightmare I'm dying of

00:48:16.520 thirst I go down in the night and they're like you know we'll uh we'll find some like we'll find

00:48:21.940 some water for you like we'll bring it up oh no I remember like calling down like do you have it oh

00:48:27.480 because I think I was sick.

00:48:28.800 I think I had a cold.

00:48:30.040 Anyway, it doesn't matter.

00:48:30.740 And I'm like, do you have some tea?

00:48:32.520 Do you have some tea?

00:48:34.300 Okay.

00:48:34.600 Oh, no.

00:48:35.500 I'm like, I just love like some tea with honey, whatever.

00:48:38.300 Up they come and hand me a tea bag.

00:48:40.940 Oh, yeah.

00:48:42.700 You know, hot water thing in the room.

00:48:43.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:46.100 So my mood, you know, my mood tanked.

00:48:51.420 I was just not in a great place there.

00:48:54.820 but i started to think and i don't usually think this that it had something to do with the energy

00:49:01.960 of the hotel so i come back like the next night or something i just had to go on a walk like

00:49:08.420 whatever and i come back and i go to my room and the you know the lock and the you know we've all

00:49:17.600 seen a key not work, right? A digital key not work. Sure. Okay. But it's on this permanent red

00:49:24.700 that's not the, oh, it's blinking red. Like your key doesn't work anymore. It's on this permanent

00:49:28.940 red. I have to go down. They come up. They can't fix it. Okay. The door is fundamentally locked

00:49:37.560 now. Locked, closed. Yeah. And so they have to get this other guy, okay, to come up and

00:49:43.180 remove the lock from the door that the like crazy electronic one remove it revealing the true key

00:49:52.400 right the old-fashioned key and and use that to get in and then fix and reapply the electric lock

00:49:59.240 and this takes like 25 minutes right oh my god and there's just something okay because like

00:50:06.300 something funny about that and they go well the battery was drained from the electric lock

00:50:13.180 okay okay which what never happens how often do you think that happens like in a hotel switching

00:50:21.780 out the yeah right okay it's like never you know it's like and i mean what do spirits love to do

00:50:28.760 that's exactly what they love to do honestly drain batteries it's like it's like you know

00:50:34.420 and so i'm like interesting and then i think i say to the woman like what's the history of this 0.69

00:50:39.560 place or something right the woman that was sort of hanging out with me while waiting for the guy

00:50:43.560 and she she's like oh it's uh well it's it's interesting or something and i'm like what like

00:50:50.600 what kind of interesting and then like oh nazi or like you know like okay yeah then i start googling

00:50:57.180 you know in bed right start googling around and it it's like the history of the place is just

00:51:05.320 bad from nearly the time when it was built except for like right when it was built and even when it

00:51:12.600 was built in like i forget now i used to know you know 1903 or 1910 or whatever 1929 i'm not sure

00:51:20.660 okay but yeah yeah it's like one of these things where there was a brief moment of of potential

00:51:26.640 like hope and glory you know like almost like the titanic or something and then it all turns because

00:51:31.280 it was described as and you're like it sounds creepy in the first place like a sanitization

00:51:35.820 hotel okay so you're like what and it's like yeah that's why like the communal showers in

00:51:41.720 the basement or whatever no okay and you're like it was this idea like back then if you were going

00:51:46.760 to travel europe you had to go to or get on a boat like a big cruise ship or whatever you know

00:51:53.520 or whatever they called them then like you would have to go to these hotels stay there for

00:51:57.800 several days and basically make sure you're not diseased before you get on a boat so they were

00:52:04.720 in some ways attached to almost like luxury travel but this very sort of disturbing so so

00:52:11.100 there were like these articles about when the hotel opened like recently that that they're

00:52:14.300 like imagine it's 19 whatever you are going on a fancy trip like you step up into the whatever it

00:52:21.480 used to be called i forget now you know like and so it's like they were actually utilizing the

00:52:27.520 like let's turn to history to like get a vibe for the place you're staying and i was like

00:52:33.560 that's dangerous because even if you've got you want to open that door yeah exactly so like

00:52:39.220 it's like go go eco right like be like we have a we have a great building here

00:52:44.100 we're not gonna tear it down just to put up a new one you know what i mean like like whatever

00:52:48.700 like go there's so many other angles point is it it i'm reading about it reading about it and it's 0.93

00:52:54.200 it's like it's a whole series of things first it's like oh well we'll we'll take these jews in

00:53:00.740 that are you know i like it's it's pretty confusing but like for a second it seems like

00:53:05.780 oh we're housing them then it seems like oh actually we're keeping them in here and they

00:53:09.500 can't leave and then and then it's like becomes a place where the ally you know the members of

00:53:13.940 the resistance get like rounded up and taken there and tortured like whatever that ends 0.90

00:53:18.880 and then it becomes a goddamn juvenile uh prison so the rooms yeah okay 0.99

00:53:28.600 just the darkest shit on top of the darkest are like angry boys you know like locked in these 1.00

00:53:36.080 in these rooms and so i'm like of course they're like fucking with the locks yeah of course 0.99

00:53:43.220 you know worse and i remember saying to the guy i'm like i just you know like can i get out like 0.90

00:53:49.960 is there a way that this could lock me in you know if it feels a good question yeah you know

00:53:55.720 and we like worked it out so i felt somewhat whatever but it it set off you know continue

00:54:02.100 like more and more reading about it like you know obsessively hunting for for like literature and

00:54:09.660 photos about it you know like finding one and being like that is the hall and then i took a

00:54:14.020 lot of footage actually like kind of in this on these show you later sort of thing and in the

00:54:20.280 morning when i finally was going to leave and you know nary a plaque okay like there was no of course

00:54:27.780 and it's just like just like just do a plaque and say you know let the spirits rest be like

00:54:34.380 Well, lots of buildings in Europe have tough histories, okay?

00:54:41.180 We choose to take an old building and finally bring light and joy to it through creating a hotel.

00:54:50.900 No room service.

00:54:51.980 Right, yeah.

00:54:53.180 So it's like, that's all you got to do.

00:54:55.560 So then I became fixated on writing a letter about how they need to have a plaque, but whatever.

00:54:59.960 so and I composed that classic compose the letter don't send right get back to my life so

00:55:06.780 when I the morning that I'm leaving in the room I said a few words

00:55:12.260 yeah okay just like and I felt compelled and it wasn't like I was lovely doing it just I don't

00:55:22.380 know it was it like it was real I don't know I just was like you felt it basically I was just

00:55:27.860 like i'm sorry for what happened here yeah you know and yeah and if you you know stay you stay

00:55:36.460 and if you leave you leave you know you know like like i'm not like gonna do this like ego game of

00:55:41.020 like i'm gonna i'm gonna encourage you to go towards the light another you know like you

00:55:47.140 know i mean like i'm gonna release them you know it's just sort of like whatever i said a lot of

00:55:52.140 words not that many i said some things i it feels like false to even try to recreate it because it

00:55:58.420 was sort of serious you know yeah and then i went outside i called an uber i took my things

00:56:03.300 downstairs when i got outside on the street and the uber was on its way a couple minutes or whatever

00:56:10.080 i looked up at the building and i broke down sobbing weeping oh my god oh my god and it felt

00:56:21.880 felt like like all these people who had suffered were in the building and they can't really leave

00:56:29.120 and I'm leaving right I get to leave and be out of the energy right right and it was

00:56:36.960 and I just it didn't feel like I was telling myself a a story you know what I mean yeah you

00:56:43.100 You were, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:44.140 It was wild.

00:56:45.140 Wow, wow, cool.

00:56:47.900 And I was like, you know.

00:56:49.520 We honored them.

00:56:50.600 And maybe in, you know, you walk around, you know, Europe, like, I don't know, like, maybe you really got to tie that velvet bag, like, a little tighter.

00:57:01.340 Tight at the top, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:03.020 You know, like, we're not prepared for, like, that many years of history or something.

00:57:09.700 I don't know, but it was a hotel, you know, a big building, whatever, these places.

00:57:16.420 A lot of people go through them.

00:57:18.500 I don't know.

00:57:19.900 It's the unspoken part of being a solo traveler.

00:57:24.400 You felt it, though.

00:57:25.700 You tapped in.

00:57:26.760 So I thought that was interesting.

00:57:29.140 And I always hold the idea that, you know, or I was just, you know, or I just was depleted and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:36.320 well by the way one thing that's funny i want to make a comment on the nature of ghost stories

00:57:41.100 um because i was texting with my friend who's a very like kind of stoic like not stoic but just

00:57:47.360 like you know a british man who like doesn't who's he's not a joker in the world of the mystical

00:57:53.840 yeah yeah whatever but i i was compelled to tell him i was like oh i just had this like

00:57:58.540 you know the thing i was talking about the thing that happened in bend and

00:58:02.440 and i was like and i felt kind of embarrassed like knowing him knowing how he would how it

00:58:07.600 sound you know and i was like whatever like and then he said something when he say he was like

00:58:12.420 no he was like what's annoying is when people tell a ghost story and they tell it without fear

00:58:17.960 like just factual so i'm there the person appears okay there's a ghost there like you know like

00:58:22.760 like i was scared it wasn't like so wake up uh i'm seeing the visions right so i didn't ask you

00:58:28.540 i look over you know the motion sector goes off so there's spirit there and this is his issue with

00:58:35.660 it yeah no like he oh like one or two he said it's like how it's just annoying when people tell

00:58:40.460 those those what's annoying is when people tell a ghost story as if they're just recounting like

00:58:46.700 the cold facts of what happened see i but this is funny gay i have a different interpretation 0.68

00:58:52.500 oh no so here's here's what he said he said i don't mind ghost stories if the teller is and 0.68

00:58:57.080 was terrified what i don't like is the teller being matter of fact and and um laid back hysterical

00:59:04.460 yeah that's so funny competitively laid back yeah um yeah anyway i was like that's funny

00:59:11.280 and by the way much like a ghost story and much like a podcast has to end we have to wrap up we

00:59:18.700 do we're three minutes over no it's great that that was that was great and um

00:59:24.720 we'll uh you know i don't want any more i'm going to stay in a hotel i don't want them

00:59:31.000 there so don't be there please you gotta be careful here in london if you're a ghost who

00:59:37.340 listens to the podcast oh my god please don't yeah around yeah you gotta just you gotta get a

00:59:44.180 hat like um lisa williams i think on her show i told you this she had a little hat she put on

00:59:49.340 at night it was like no you're kidding it's closed now folks like business is closed yeah

00:59:53.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:54.640 And then, you know, I wouldn't recommend it probably for you, but Conjuring, Last Rites came out.

01:00:02.120 We went and saw it.

01:00:03.260 Oh, God, I'm too scared. 0.99

01:00:04.540 It fucking rocked. 0.98

01:00:05.640 That's awesome, though. 0.96

01:00:06.700 I mean, I'm happy for you. 0.90

01:00:07.880 It fucking rocked. 0.96

01:00:08.500 And I wept during the, like, not the credits, but the, where there's the title, like, cards at the end. 0.97

01:00:13.400 How many Conjurings are there?

01:00:15.600 I forget, because it's, like, I'm going to post my Conjuring joke.

01:00:20.100 As Japan famously, the Conjuring universe is just the universe.

01:00:23.900 Yeah, it's just, I'm literally going to post it because I've been doing it, I was like, in honor of final rights, or last rights, I was going to post it, but like, like me doing it, whatever on stage.

01:00:34.280 But like, it's just like, I chuckle when people say the conjuring universe, you know, because of course it is but our own universe, if you recognize the very real work of demonologists, Ed and Lorraine Warren.

01:00:45.540 but yeah it was like these like great slides about them and their contribution and it was

01:00:51.840 silent like and i was like like i was like tears streaming down my face just oh my god moved by

01:00:59.000 sort of the tale of the warrens and veer you know vera farmiga you know she she's oh yeah she's good

01:01:07.840 fucking good she's they're great anyway i'll tell you more about it great eventually um all right 0.53

01:01:14.980 Love you. 0.98

01:01:15.360 Love you.

01:01:15.720 Love you.

01:01:15.960 All right.

01:01:16.180 All right.

01:01:16.500 Talk soon.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - September 16, 2025

He's God Fearin'

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