Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Hyperbole at All Costs

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00:01:34.840 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.260 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:37.360 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:42.040 Two untamable intellects.

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00:01:49.140 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:01:51.400 Who moved my cheese?

00:01:53.540 The war of art.

00:01:54.600 you're a real friend you know that what why yes what the listeners don't know is that i was

00:02:04.980 texting you feeling sad um feeling the darkness and you were like let's poog and even just having

00:02:13.760 the poog on the on the near horizon 45 minutes away really helped to know that i belong to

00:02:19.300 something bigger than myself which is poop and i'll say right now one of the so i went away for

00:02:26.740 two nights for a work trip um with john early business conference yeah you know makes it tax

00:02:35.780 deductible but really we were we were writing and the depression like i came home opened the door

00:02:43.780 and immediately the horror of being home after any trip is so it's one of the most raw you're a

00:02:50.880 raw nerve when you come home after a trip that that sadness of the post-vacation return is so

00:02:57.920 violent it's so well powering we talk a lot about um me me and my tour manager on the road

00:03:05.400 about efforts to bring the hotel home okay yes and how some of those some of those are fruitful

00:03:11.540 and some aren't like like when uh and like chris and i like staying in this amazing hotel in austin

00:03:18.260 like the last day we had room service and we ate it on the patio and it was this panic because we

00:03:22.780 were like fuck we should have done this like every time of course no you always like no but this is 0.85

00:03:27.520 this is the perfect night to have done it because tonight it's raining and under the patio this is 0.99

00:03:31.060 the only night okay it was very much of his whole time but like yeah like you know that that's i'd

00:03:35.560 say actually one area where i'm stingy in that way of like terrified of loss you know like the

00:03:41.080 equivalent of afraid to pour the bottle out over my head right i mean the bottle of like that we're

00:03:45.480 talking about the fancy shampoo time oh oh my god i'm stingy i really protect my time at all i hoard

00:03:52.860 time bringing the hotel home is very funny john was making me laugh because he was doing a bit

00:03:58.880 about taking the shower caps and bringing them home and put over leftovers to put over bowls in

00:04:04.820 the fridge like trying to repurpose the desperation yeah to repurpose and i of course have which is

00:04:10.900 very poogie in if i may be so bold you may as soon as i'm taking out of the everyday right you pop me

00:04:17.220 in palm springs i'm sitting there it's it's okay listen to this 7 a.m i'm waking up in palm springs

00:04:26.260 i have the coffee i'm in the pool at 8 a.m completely alone so this is a hotel or a place

00:04:32.720 you rented it's a hotel an airbnb okay um it's a hotel that i'm truly not gonna name no you're

00:04:39.480 not gonna name but it better not be i'm not gonna name it if it's if it's if it's a place that we

00:04:44.760 were trying to get for free no it's not that it's not that no no it's a hotel that i won't name i

00:04:51.360 know it's really obnoxious but it's really truly and i'm sorry it's kind of a secret like in the

00:04:56.820 sense that when i go to palm springs i've mentioned it to people like locals or people that like when

00:05:02.700 i went to the museum i'm like oh where are you staying and i told the people that that work at

00:05:06.340 the goddamn palm springs museum and they go oh i've never heard of it and it's like what so i

00:05:11.280 know which one it is yeah anyway so i just sent me pictures really near and dear to me and so 0.95

00:05:14.960 but 8 a.m i'm in the pool alone swimming right and and of course this is who i am this is the

00:05:20.680 true me this is the fullest expression of who i am right waking up early reading by the way today

00:05:25.640 is day three no social media on my phone like not looking at it at all so that and of course i'm

00:05:30.600 born again right the baptism and just feeling like okay i can finally truly access i can really

00:05:36.400 access myself in a way that i prevent myself from accessing and why due to phone addiction due to the

00:05:41.760 that you know i'm the era in which i was born where we all have donated our lives to um to our

00:05:47.880 donation is genius and so it's just like so of course i i have this this reawakening and i feel

00:05:54.560 and then you come home and it's just the brutal truth of you feel yourself slipping back

00:06:00.680 and it's so it feels like such a loss and the the optimism of a trip it's just well just

00:06:09.200 that's why no I just I'm jumping in because I'm going what is it um and I think it's one of the

00:06:16.260 thrills of being in a hotel is there's nothing there uh there's no stuff yeah okay there's no

00:06:23.920 there's no long-term stuff your artifacts the artifacts of your life yeah aren't there

00:06:28.280 I mean certainly a liminal space in the one sense and it's also like you in this present moment

00:06:34.800 where all you have with you is the things you need you know in the kind of in that day yes and

00:06:40.620 then you know in in those days that you're there and the and all you need for the repetition

00:06:45.660 of your life there like so if you're like at a place for three days and you have like

00:06:50.760 whatever your bikini yeah and you're like and it's like that's all you know it's like me my bikini

00:06:58.320 yeah what a dream no it's just like well you know yeah coming back to the the the baggage of your 0.97

00:07:06.380 goddamn files you know oh and the dust was on the floor and I like I swept but I have to say 0.98

00:07:11.120 something which is that so hotels are expensive of course right and I really don't spend money 0.98

00:07:16.060 on hotels or expensive hotels ever like this is the one hotel that I recreationally will go to

00:07:21.060 do you stay in cheap ones yeah if I'm like or do you just well usually you know it's work

00:07:24.800 essentially never travel for pleasure truly and so right there's that but I was thinking about this

00:07:31.000 like right I was thinking about the cost of children and I was thinking about like okay

00:07:37.480 if you said to someone hey you could have a kid or you could go to this amazing hotel

00:07:42.260 two days a week for the rest of your life yeah right that's completely acceptable and the fact

00:07:48.360 that that is frowned upon or considered less than it is truly taboo i mean it continue and i continue

00:07:55.140 to struggle with you know the pope the pope and i know nothing of the pope okay but just said

00:08:01.040 something about something like people who have pets are like robbing themselves of like being

00:08:10.320 part of humanity or something it's like imagine coming out with with a statement that uh meaningless

00:08:16.120 also it ain't the 80s doll have you looked around i mean truly this is i know it's like

00:08:20.680 the the true reality like the fantasy is and by the way i truly might have children like i don't

00:08:28.720 know but to pretend that it's 1982 no but to pretend that it's what do you mean like and i'm

00:08:35.040 like this promise of a future that we see is like right not there anymore it is truly not there

00:08:41.440 that being said i genuinely do not judge people for continuing to procreate like i i like i you

00:08:49.000 can't i never would i never would and i myself may need to breed like i might be a breeder at heart

00:08:54.560 that's the truth but i just yeah but we can't but it is not what it was like like a truly so

00:09:01.300 So the cost of rearing children is outrageous.

00:09:05.360 I genuinely don't know how people survive.

00:09:07.560 And very often in this country, they don't, right?

00:09:09.420 It's impossible.

00:09:10.800 So the idea of kind of imagining, oh, every weekend I go to a hotel alone or with you

00:09:16.360 or with John or with some friend who I find deeply brilliant and stimulating and whether

00:09:21.360 or not we're working or not just being, I mean, that is, it has to be considered.

00:09:24.480 I mean, Chelsea Peretti has a genius joke.

00:09:26.420 chelsea pretty is a genius joke um about like deciding to have kids and being like well what

00:09:33.380 were we gonna do like keep going out to dinner so genius no it's very real it's that's like

00:09:39.280 i really feel excited i was thinking about this in the context of my phone addiction

00:09:43.800 of just like on the way that because i don't have to wake up at 6 a.m and get the kids ready for

00:09:51.560 school or whatever like i actually am robbed of a certain amount of like the labor like the true

00:09:58.940 toughness that being a parent creates like i have massive respect for that forged in the fire

00:10:04.460 right the labor absolutely like like for the fire of suffering to refine you right and we all become

00:10:12.540 refined by the fires of suffering at some point hopefully right and not just turn to ash there is

00:10:18.440 and i mean this as from a selfish perspective even like the value of having children i think 0.97

00:10:23.600 is clearly very clear and i right it's something that i may truly want to do but i'm the fucking

00:10:29.900 i'm envious of having to wake up like the the beauty of having children or being in relation 0.76

00:10:34.920 to anyone ostensibly is like you have to think outside of yourself your needs actually don't

00:10:39.720 come first and there's actual there's a real prison of your own needs coming first your spirit is

00:10:45.640 buckling under the under the weight of opportunity of options opportunity yeah i mean i mean to

00:10:50.800 whittle the world down to a more manageable place right i mean it's like to like restriction is

00:10:56.860 inherently freeing absolutely and there is the horror what is it one cannot help a quiver before

00:11:02.820 freedom or whatever we've talked about this like yeah well that that was always well isn't that i

00:11:08.980 i understood that to be the essence of what existentialism is right was about or like that's

00:11:14.280 what took for me when we read like camu in high school i was like uh like my i'm sure there's

00:11:22.100 multiple key points within it but like my understanding was like was like the like

00:11:26.980 the horror of realizing you have freedom to you know that that your how you experience your life

00:11:34.160 or whatever is is up to you yeah whatever and like that is you know horrifying we should be

00:11:38.960 like i liked i like being tired at the end of the day from a job like i enjoy working i actually do

00:11:44.600 but that's you know this career path or whatever you often have to create your own work in between

00:11:49.140 periods of employment and there is something about like to be worked to be um rearing children

00:11:55.760 is an unimaginable amount of labor you know especially of course for whoever bears the child 0.94

00:12:01.740 you don't want a child you don't want to have a child so that you're forced to write during 20 0.85

00:12:06.340 minutes of the no I love you and you've put me through this because I've said I've been like

00:12:09.260 like the romance of being like I only have an hour until she wakes up now all right right and

00:12:14.520 like the horror of having a child in order to become more productive is one of the darkest

00:12:20.020 things I've ever uttered but well I think more parents could ask themselves the questions of

00:12:25.300 why they did it I mean that that's the thing it's almost like uh people who have kids it's never

00:12:30.240 it's never questioned oh well that's the I mean of course it is because but you know what I mean

00:12:35.760 like it's never the last taboo truly is not wanting no no no is people regretting because

00:12:43.600 okay not even regretting but being able to and this is what's so devastating and I imagine

00:12:48.400 alienating about motherhood is that and of course we've seen this kind of like we've seen popular

00:12:53.740 culture kind of like my kids are making me crazy I'm gonna pull my hair out but to actually reckon

00:12:57.580 with the loss and that's the thing where if I have a kid I'm gonna have to do the thing of

00:13:01.960 beating my chest screaming on the shores of sicily reckoning with the part of myself that

00:13:08.220 i'm losing which is under most of myself yes or at least like you have to mourn what you're giving

00:13:13.640 up because that's what leads to the true suffering is this idea the kind of you know the have it all

00:13:17.380 model okay whatever i'm absolutely exhausted with myself i just can't believe how american i am

00:13:21.340 and it continues to shock me at every turn and i you can't see it's like the thing of like you

00:13:25.240 can't wait what you can't smell yourself the americanism is how american you are if you're

00:13:29.380 born in this country right but wait what which piece was the the american you're like you're 0.65

00:13:35.460 sort of selfish whatever that kind of thing yeah i think i was thinking about the having it all

00:13:40.100 thing and the you know optimizing productivity and like where did i yell out i'm an american

00:13:46.880 in explanation i mean it was it was in my own home and to myself to be clear it was like well

00:13:52.500 i remember once like a friend was like you're an over you're an american you live above your means

00:13:56.620 or whatever or like you're constantly trying to live above your means like yeah you can't afford

00:14:00.420 yeah like to go you know do that but you're like still I want you know well that's like the internet

00:14:06.720 too like allows you to believe that you can have anything like if you hunt you know like

00:14:11.260 I mean deal hunting I I just want to say I've lost productive days hard days work so remember

00:14:17.520 last week I was talking about like what if I went for it and tried to live a single day according to

00:14:22.160 my own like expectations of what what it would be i i kind of did it wait what do you mean okay

00:14:28.400 there was one day not not everything was perfect but i got up i meditated i made coffee i wrote

00:14:33.160 for six hours you worked for six hours yeah i wrote for six hours if you can imagine incredible

00:14:37.720 incredible congrats every single word pure gold really that's a joke okay well by the way

00:14:44.100 no i'm sure but six hours of actual productive writing is i mean that's the add yes i was locked

00:14:51.240 I was I was you know vibrating on on caffeine um I still have not taken you know a single dose of

00:14:58.620 the Adderall that I had prescribed again yeah uh you know six months ago it sits there because I

00:15:04.760 just I this I have this I probably talked about this but I have this fantasy of um that I'm going

00:15:09.180 to sit down with the Adderall pill bottle or I'm going to take it and I'm going to be like hey it's

00:15:13.240 Adderall let's use that because of that I'm going to like self-fulfilling prophecy style make the

00:15:18.020 Adderall work right in that way like because I don't want to waste the Adderall yeah now I'm not

00:15:22.120 saying Adderall isn't having effect but is that just me then kind of if it's not clear to me that

00:15:27.140 Adderall actually makes me more coherent in my thinking okay or on task so is it just that now

00:15:33.880 like I've I've created an eight-hour window for myself of like blue pill window yeah in which

00:15:40.140 you know I'm sucking on my teeth and tongue to a point of damage you know what I mean like where

00:15:47.180 there's like lines alongside of my tongue and like doing all these sort of unconscious like

00:15:50.660 speedy kind of ticks things and like so I almost enjoy this um idea of being like do I want to

00:15:59.760 take the Adderall today or do I want to sit down and do the thing I would do if right now I was

00:16:05.320 taking the Adderall in order to work and then kind of like I haven't taken a single one but it's

00:16:09.800 there yeah isn't that interesting no that is interesting but I did the productive day I did

00:16:13.560 the productive day and i gotta tell you when i was ordering in my so you know i go through these

00:16:17.280 periods where i order in the same thing every night for like three weeks yeah maybe i get tired

00:16:21.360 of it it's i mean i i don't i can't hide anymore i love that i think that's a great way to live

00:16:25.160 and i relate to it deeply the idea the idea of you you love something that you can't do it every

00:16:30.040 night is so devastating oh yeah well yeah no it's it's it's the ice cream for breakfast spirit a

00:16:37.700 little bit that's like but we can yeah like we're adults now we can do as we please you know what i

00:16:43.180 mean but when i ordered in my tostada salad basically and guacamole it's from really close

00:16:49.380 by and it's amazing okay it's so good and i was watching dexter yeah i mean i turned to chris

00:16:54.800 sorry i'm just laughing at how i turn to so-and-so is like narratively part of when people describe

00:17:01.440 saying something to someone it's weird and so i turned there i am and i turned to chris like why

00:17:06.720 is that like versus just i said to him yeah anyway i turned to him and i was like i feel amazing

00:17:12.300 like the oh and i did my tracy i did my tracy okay so and then i ordered in the food in the

00:17:19.520 midst of tracy okay during the between the opening part and the second part i quickly put in the

00:17:24.520 order so i'd know it was on its way to me heaven this is like what we talk about but like heaven

00:17:31.260 right like heaven being spaces of time like so for me like heaven would be like foods on the way

00:17:38.020 i mean there's it's the order's in when the order's in and you can finally relax god when

00:17:44.180 the order's in you've um conquered choice yeah you've done it the impossible yeah i like because

00:17:53.340 my mother you know i'm not these things are i don't know it's hard to say what's what's genetic

00:17:58.120 and what's uh learned and what's both but oh yeah you know at my a big thing in my family going out

00:18:03.940 to dinner is you know my mom struggling with indecisiveness about what she's going to get

00:18:08.720 asking everyone what they're going to get right the waiter comes over my mom thinks she can do it

00:18:14.540 I just said do you think you can do it you do it like that kind of spirit and then my dad cuts in

00:18:21.520 hard because he's seen this unfold before where then it's like you know her turn and she's not

00:18:25.580 sure he'll sort of if he sees a certain amount of hesitation among the family members will go

00:18:31.340 direct to the waiter like i think we need another minute oh yeah and i've picked that up too i do

00:18:35.340 that too because i hate that up too i have a real when people keep someone waiting there for the

00:18:40.540 order it's so rude it's like they have so much work to do like do not stall right do not does

00:18:45.920 your mother because i've done i do this does your mother because i am also crushing decision does

00:18:52.540 she change the order within the or within the circle yes around yeah and i occasionally do

00:18:57.060 i occasionally do as well now she she usually you know i mean they're the the primal nature of

00:19:04.200 being afraid of being jealous of what someone else has gotten cannot be overstated that's why

00:19:11.020 i prefer to order the same thing i like to have the experience together well i'm thrilled to hear

00:19:15.880 you say that and i wonder if we've covered this because it's so essential ordering different

00:19:19.080 things i i hate it's not my way it's not worth the bite it's not worth the you can have a bite

00:19:24.420 oh and then really see what i'm missing who wants and then the rest of my meal is defined

00:19:30.360 only by the bite of your meal that i had my meal is only that's why i clarify i i clarify no i will

00:19:38.560 not be having a bite of yours and you won't be you will not be having a bite of mine that's so wise

00:19:42.840 first of all it's it's not unlike it's not unlike um that you know talking about that necklace thing

00:19:48.200 the other week on poog like where the person you know does the labor and then expects it in return

00:19:52.060 but like something could return in advance but it's like they think because they've offered you

00:19:56.900 a bite they're simply owed that offer like back what it's really stressful having a bite particularly

00:20:02.300 i will there's like three people in my life what can i have a bite off of other than other than

00:20:09.180 tempt you or make you feel regret what can a bite do i'll tell you what a bite can't do

00:20:14.380 correct the sins of the past and every time i think it might no it's like hey do you want to 1.00

00:20:21.880 um feel my wife's tits oh go ahead feel them yeah yeah yeah feel my wife's tits these are amazing 0.99

00:20:28.100 not to well i know they're wonderful well you're gonna love them what am i i'm gonna love them be 1.00

00:20:32.120 devastated your hands are there and you go my whole life i've been robbed you know my whole 0.51

00:20:39.320 life i've been robbed of this and then i have to go home to not these tits thank you for thank you 1.00

00:20:45.680 you fucking asshole for showing me the loss that has now that will now define my range and those 1.00

00:20:51.100 people are not they don't have the relationship to food that I do which oh my god the best thing 1.00

00:20:56.800 ever I remember my friend had this book I'm sure I've mentioned this but it was literally called

00:21:00.760 a substance called food it was like a psychological like text about like food you know whatever and

00:21:08.760 I mean I also said the other night and I've said this before because I continue to try to look at

00:21:14.080 why eating feels so good yeah beyond anything and i found myself saying it feels like a hug from the

00:21:22.860 inside and i mean that literally yeah yeah i don't mean that in a cornball way actual i mean like

00:21:28.000 the pressure yeah yeah like the pressure there's a tactile i mean as someone who's dying to get

00:21:33.020 inside my own body look around it makes a lot of sense it's the only way to feel your interior

00:21:38.940 No, it's proof that you have a body, first of all.

00:21:41.660 Yeah.

00:21:42.480 It's like almost some of the only proofs we have.

00:21:45.340 Well, we didn't even talk about it.

00:21:47.120 I mean, wait, I want to, wait, before we go, because we have to go to break.

00:21:50.000 And I have to turn off the heat in my house because I'm now boiling.

00:21:53.300 All right, do that.

00:21:54.200 I'm going to make a couple notes.

00:21:55.580 Okay, we'll go to break.

00:21:56.360 We'll come right back.

00:21:57.600 Productivity, there's a lot to say.

00:22:03.740 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:22:07.940 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:22:12.960 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:22:16.780 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:22:18.140 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:22:21.740 So no, I am not your guru.

00:22:25.540 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:22:28.160 I lied to police.

00:22:29.440 I lied to everybody.

00:22:30.160 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:22:33.480 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:22:35.840 to interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out

00:22:40.820 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:22:45.160 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:22:50.820 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

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00:23:35.840 and we're back and i also want to talk about in this segment i resent the ubiquity

00:23:45.600 of cell phone addiction and it's become as boring as it's become the new cliche of

00:23:52.620 as talking about the weather right like this phone i can't put it down and it's like no no

00:23:58.580 we have to fight for our lives oh my god and if they're slipping away my life is slipping away

00:24:05.460 into my phone and to talk about it you are rendered boring banal it's so obvious right yeah we know

00:24:12.740 and it's like if we go deeper but it has to stop no no right but i i still think we can go deeper

00:24:18.680 yeah because here's the thing like i was thinking about it you said you know i've been off my phone

00:24:22.620 for three days or whatever and we all the weather right we all refer to this thing right but we're

00:24:28.400 all uniquely suffering from it in a different way even though it's ubiquitous right yeah like the

00:24:34.840 the suffering is still idiosyncratic there are certain things that like that come up as themes

00:24:41.080 that everyone can relate to comparing yourself to others that's the big one right aren't you

00:24:45.200 bored of hearing about it like well you're right that one's not really my suffering right all right

00:24:51.480 well all right i want to hear what your suffering is i'm not like i wish i were in hawaii like that's

00:24:56.240 not not not to mean that because that's not my suffering yeah no well like here's the let's let's

00:25:06.640 play the let's play out the cliche for fun for a second okay let's be that like the problem like

00:25:11.240 look i go on facebook i go on it it's so and so on vacation it's so and so and you know they've

00:25:16.000 taken a million foes they've done a million poses to get that job you with your latte art

00:25:21.460 you know it's like we're beyond the latte art right complaining about latte art

00:25:27.740 yeah yeah but first coffee right the neon sign that says but first coffee and the influencer

00:25:34.300 and the workout clothes with with an acai bowl like that is no longer the criticism of social

00:25:39.220 media I mean I guess it still potentially is but that's right that's what you're saying that's the

00:25:42.700 cliched kind of well yeah like the cliched complaint of you know what I'm very tired of

00:25:47.680 this is it is like the post the sincere post that's like just so you know like yeah yeah you

00:25:55.140 see a lot of whatever here on my account but just you know like these are highly edited okay

00:26:00.560 these are highly edited this is a curated version of my life and it's like deeply patronizing like

00:26:06.460 because it's like we know we follow you because it's curated yeah we follow you because you are

00:26:12.980 beautiful right we follow you you know what I mean like and so I mean that that like I had this 0.98

00:26:20.060 moment with with Instagram where I was like you know what fuck it I come here for selfies that's 0.94

00:26:25.020 what I'm gonna start posting like what are we pretending that I'm a visual journalist like 1.00

00:26:29.820 you know what I mean like no you want to see a face you want to see an ass and a face yeah 0.99

00:26:36.260 sure sure i mean i mean you're obsessed with asses i know always have been i always think 1.00

00:26:44.160 you're talking about the horse it came up in poog once you're like yeah because it's a human ass 0.99

00:26:48.320 oh my god but wait what is your i'll tell you what it is so we're all experiencing it 0.98

00:26:56.820 yeah but what is your interior my issue what's your rabbit hole like and it can be broadly like

00:27:02.720 you mean with social media what my yeah for me i wish i was in hawaii no no for me mine is the

00:27:08.700 absolute the endless scroll the inability to look away i think the obvious thing would be say it's

00:27:16.760 a struggle with being present right like whenever we do when any kind of addiction stems from a

00:27:21.460 desire to not feel what you're feeling and so it's like what am i trying to get away from in

00:27:25.360 this moment that i'm physically picking up my phone and by the way we know right these things

00:27:30.460 are designed for this kind of addiction right like like right you're neurologically almost

00:27:34.400 in a like you're unable if you're if you're using this every day you have you have a huge

00:27:39.640 you have a lot of work to do because this thing is you're the mice also you're the mouse tapping

00:27:45.320 at the thing yeah like you tap i mean like all these things i mean i am even when you're not

00:27:49.900 getting the when you're not getting the it's the treat you keep they taps i told you about who

00:27:55.080 moved my cheese no because it's actually genius and it'll make you laugh who moved my cheese is

00:28:02.500 this book that i feel like probably came out in like i don't know 98 2003 i'm not sure it could

00:28:07.340 have been 94 okay and i saw it it's genius and you know it's sort of about i i feel like it was

00:28:14.800 in the business section so i as a young teen used to float my way over to the business section

00:28:18.520 okay and in college because i'm like i'm like none none of the uh you know artists in my community

00:28:23.840 here looking here maybe like just by like you know like just to read something the people you

00:28:28.720 know aren't reading like let's head over to see what it means to be like a manager yeah managerial

00:28:34.080 secrets whatever you know i enjoy like reading things not not not designed for me so but who

00:28:39.440 moved my cheese i think it was one of these like how to manage teams kind of books but it was simply

00:28:45.100 about the fact that mice okay okay here's what it is so so mice okay if you if you train them

00:28:54.020 60 days in a row or whatever they they run the same maze find the cheese every day the cheese

00:29:00.040 is in the same place every day the cheese is in the same place right this goes on for 60 days or

00:29:03.640 whatever on the 61st day they uh move the cheese what does the mouse do it immediately starts

00:29:09.940 looking around, looking, trying to, and it, it adjusts and it adapts and it searches until it

00:29:14.720 finds the cheese. Human beings, what do they do when the cheese isn't there? They go, who moved my

00:29:20.240 cheese? Okay. I honestly think it's genius. They, there's a refusal. I mean, maybe this is the

00:29:34.760 existential yeah to take responsibility to adapt and to find it how do you feel about this this is

00:29:40.620 like an issue for me so as I was summarizing that I had to slip into the thing of like okay I don't

00:29:48.280 remember how many days it was I don't remember whatever but I have to deliver the basic concepts

00:29:52.340 on the 61st day right yeah yeah I chose 60 days and I chose 61st on the 61st day and there's

00:29:58.820 something in me that felt like powerful at being able to like construct like i hate jokes that

00:30:06.400 like old school jokes that rely on you ever like someone's telling you like one of these

00:30:13.480 old school jokes and they're really like leaning into the details uh-huh you mean like he goes to

00:30:19.960 the place there's a there's a blue jar a red jar and a pink jar like what do you mean all right i

00:30:24.020 got one you know the um you know the thing about like this guy his building's burning up or whatever

00:30:29.540 the fuck like you know his building's burning up he's on the roof and they're like you know the

00:30:34.100 fire truck comes by you know climb down on this ladder and he's like no god will save me floods 1.00

00:30:39.560 a boat comes through you know get on the boat no god will save me okay i don't know this third

00:30:44.860 thing whatever okay and then and then um a third thing and he doesn't do it and whatever he's i

00:30:50.260 don't know descending to his death this is what happens when i try to do it and he dies and he

00:30:56.360 goes to heaven and says i thought you'd save me and he said i sent two trucks and a boat oh yeah

00:31:00.860 okay i said you know i said okay that was a horrible version i think i have heard but

00:31:06.180 here's what i'm talking about so if that's the thing you need you need three examples right

00:31:10.260 to sail that bit oh going into the storytelling you mean people commit so much to the details

00:31:15.440 Okay, so they're like, so he sings, yeah.

00:31:18.500 They're like, you know, and here comes a firetruck.

00:31:22.000 Big and red and it's rolling.

00:31:24.360 Well, no, here's what it is.

00:31:25.340 It's the embarrassment of people adding inflection to personalize, right?

00:31:29.760 It's like the embarrassment of.

00:31:31.560 Oh, when you can hear what's the text and what's not the text.

00:31:34.560 And also I feel like when you feel someone, and by the way,

00:31:37.400 God bless the person telling it who's having fun. 0.98

00:31:40.300 But it's like, well, God bless all the fools. 0.98

00:31:45.440 if we take time if we take time on this podcast 1.00

00:31:50.540 to bless to bless like we are we are in a constant state of like everyone's an asshole except us 0.97

00:31:58.360 yeah not really but you know what i mean yeah i'm like oh no we're supposed to be blessing the 0.96

00:32:02.780 disdain or the kind of sadness that i feel for someone retelling that joke and they get their

00:32:08.080 big moment in this in the in the light right of here i am the table everyone at the tables turn

00:32:13.020 to them and they get to have their moment but it's not their moment right it's text that's been

00:32:17.500 passed down by the way and there's merit in that in oral tradition being passed down but of course

00:32:22.740 but of course but there's something really embarrassing and naked someone is laid so bare

00:32:26.700 when they when like when someone is in the moment telling it and they get to have their special

00:32:32.760 little moment i mean is it is it karaoke right because yeah yeah is it is it well you're engaging

00:32:38.720 with an existing it is akin with an existing text yeah a song yeah you're bringing yourself to it

00:32:46.560 well it is what it is it's karaoke when someone can sing well which is the utter and they are

00:32:53.300 singing if you can sing karaoke go to the piano bar or go home right at least go to go to the

00:33:00.860 piano by the way devote your life to becoming a singer right or go to the piano bar go to the

00:33:05.520 because to me the piano bar is is a and not don't bring singing to karaoke do not bring

00:33:10.700 singing to karaoke how dare you singing well at karaoke and people i mean that's what's

00:33:17.340 embarrassing and you know this i think we've talked about this my like i've always feared

00:33:22.060 karaoke singing is deeply terrifying to me but what terrifies me even more is singing well

00:33:26.100 or singing like getting by no absolutely like these people singing well at karaoke well what

00:33:35.100 is it it's like um a show of strength what's wrong no no nothing i'm reacting to that

00:33:40.960 it's a it's like it's like a show it's like an inappropriate show of force it's like a

00:33:48.820 gun at a knife fight which i guess isn't the the expression's knife like why'd you bring a knife

00:33:54.260 to a gunfight right or never bring a knife to a gunfight which doesn't actually make sense because

00:33:58.260 i don't know i probably have it wrong the listeners are screaming out they know they're 0.98

00:34:04.160 driving going now you bitch anyway I listen I really feel like I'm going to have to I think 0.99

00:34:12.860 I've rock bottom is maybe actually not too strong a word I just I need to seriously revise the way 0.99

00:34:20.500 that I interact with my phone I have an idea yeah and and I feel devastated because I want to say 0.97

00:34:25.060 the poog the poog no I want to hear it but I just want to say the poog Instagram feels really I love 0.98

00:34:30.960 i love the messages i love and also you know getting things in the mail from generous companies

00:34:36.160 and wanting to and posting the things and it's this thing of like okay well i guess it's pivoting

00:34:41.440 to using it responsibly right okay i'm on social media for 20 minutes a day that that's a that's a

00:34:45.820 healthy amount to engage with it right right are you capable but can i do that i mean i feel truly

00:34:50.660 powerless are you capable of moderation no i don't think so i don't think moderation is not the goal

00:34:55.740 social media was not designed for moderation phones were not designed for they were they were

00:34:59.800 designed for annihilation for annihilation i'm supposed to annihilate myself every day

00:35:04.840 to use this thing yes this fallacy this idea of like the health i mean it's no to use it is to

00:35:11.000 be completely swallowed by it and to completely lose all intimacy with yourself and the world

00:35:15.860 and i guess some people some people are able to do it i want to and i and i praise those people

00:35:20.540 and i'm i'm in awe of them i don't know if you have to praise them i mean you mean the moderation

00:35:24.320 ones or the ones who can just be obliterated daily and they're fine with it somebody who logs on

00:35:28.540 some no no somebody who goes yeah i check it but i don't really go on there i'm like what i've been

00:35:35.880 able to do that with twitter like completely like twitter is like yeah it's like me too actually

00:35:41.220 it's not quite the right word it's like a um like quicksand i don't know like i don't like it over

00:35:46.220 there i might leave twitter is like i have an idea okay oh yeah what's your idea well i have a few

00:35:50.460 ideas solutions solutions give me a solution now okay well and you know pitching a book is always

00:35:57.960 tell but have you ever read and don't mistake me or think that I've I'm mistaking my words people

00:36:03.140 yeah the war of art Stephen Pressfield it is so weird that you say that because I was in a bookstore

00:36:09.800 merely what three days ago and picked it up and was like I've actually never read this you've

00:36:15.400 heard about of it right of course of course but I've never actually read it yeah I love it I mean

00:36:20.380 and it's kind of like tough love right it's like absolutely cold comfort yeah the first half is

00:36:26.600 about resistance okay and it's many forms um and how you know and it it goes through a bunch of

00:36:33.700 like things so the the idea is sort of like you know that which you are sort of born to do meant

00:36:39.540 to do or is really valuable to you to do or would be meaningful you know there's a part of our

00:36:45.880 psychology that just call it the death instinct call it whatever you want yeah okay but there's

00:36:54.460 there's like something in you that, um, is going to fight that, like those, those impulses, right.

00:36:59.520 And that's, you know, what he calls resistance and says it can take many forms. And, uh, sorry,

00:37:05.020 I hate that intonation. It's like, I spaced out and I slipped into how people talk and it takes

00:37:08.760 many forms. And, um, I thought it was seamless. Well, that's the problem. It was too seamless.

00:37:16.160 Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. But then what, but then what, and then what's the second half? He's like,

00:37:22.880 He identifies, but there's, but there's endless. And then the second half brings in, all right,

00:37:27.740 what do you do when you fight? So one of the big, I had it like taped on my computer for years. Okay.

00:37:32.300 There's no such thing as the dread free artist. Stop showing up every day, expecting that today

00:37:38.800 it's going to be easy or that today you're not going to feel the dread. It's like, it's like

00:37:43.300 if you keep changing tactics, cause you're looking for something that's always going to feel, it's

00:37:47.660 like, no, you're like, the more important the project is to you, the more you're going to avoid

00:37:51.160 it like you know the more you're meant to do it the more you're going to avoid it kind of thing

00:37:55.220 and don't annoy and it but it but it it's really good at breaking down like here are all these

00:38:01.020 different ways things that you might not realize are resistance and then the second half the second

00:38:06.420 half is about the muse again courting the muse all right and the muse is the opposite of resistance

00:38:12.960 in in kind of in my my sense of the book right and courting the muse is kind of like okay i'm gonna

00:38:19.820 you know I'm gonna treat my work my workspace I'm gonna put on my lucky sock it's like it's

00:38:25.360 like I'm gonna put on my lucky socks I'm gonna sweep up around my desk like I'm going to treat

00:38:31.380 this with sort of respect and I like that but there's a there is a manning up I mean

00:38:38.820 careful careful no I mean I know I know and we're off the air yeah um yeah no no I well I like the

00:38:47.740 brutal because i really respond to actually like get over it no like of course it's hard to make

00:38:53.560 it easy right if you stop trying to make it easy uh half the war is won

00:39:00.280 i like that maybe not half i mean maybe more than half like i was struggling a little bit

00:39:07.940 during my workout like yesterday and like i was feeling sort of like grumpy and honestly it was

00:39:15.440 do to my outfit which which was which was helpful to identify and i i mentioned this to you my fury

00:39:21.640 so we were gifted so fantastic the wear ones at unitard okay i've been wearing mine constantly 0.59

00:39:30.320 and for me and i just i i fucked up and ordered what i thought were two unitards off lululemon 0.71

00:39:38.780 and they are not they were on wild sale i thought i was like oh and it was like it was because there 0.95

00:39:43.960 were bodysuits but they were shown with a legging and i thought it was all one piece i'm humiliated

00:39:48.400 i'm embarrassed oh but it's like a sports bra with a no it's a bodysuit thong which i don't 0.99

00:39:53.880 understand i'm i guess i'm the asshole i guess i'm the fool the child okay who doesn't want to 0.98

00:39:59.780 work out in a thong-based leotard my issue is that as someone who wants compression in the belly it's 0.99

00:40:05.640 always the belly for me that's where i want to feel firmed up right yeah the classic sports bra

00:40:11.760 leotard combo is the I mean sports bra legging combo is the absolute nightmare it's not what

00:40:17.680 you want it's cover it's it's cinching everything but the belly right right right and I'm not alone

00:40:25.600 you know and I and I'm not alone in this there you know there's there's and so it's just I just

00:40:30.580 think it's weird there aren't more unitards on the market I mean they're there but anyway wear

00:40:34.600 ones that is my favorite and it's like I'm living off of this one unitard I'm thinking about ordering

00:40:38.280 like three more yeah yeah and um that's what i say to the folks that want to send gifts i say

00:40:44.020 you know you give me one i'll order three more yeah i mean that with that gorgeous silk um true

00:40:50.400 flower uh dye oh the pillowcase which we'll have to repost i went back and ordered a second one

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00:42:36.820 We're back.

00:42:38.860 What were we talking about?

00:42:39.560 Oh, yeah.

00:42:39.820 I have to say at this hotel I was staying at, the bed was unbelievable and the pillows, Jacqueline.

00:42:45.640 okay i was researching pillows tonight let's talk about there were six pillows on this bed

00:42:51.040 now were they heavy yet if not eight no no no no i'm talking about not the big pillows that you

00:42:58.000 cast off to then no no no i know six sleeping pillows well i don't want anything on there

00:43:04.080 that's a cast off because to me that's like oh you're not washing between guests i like a cast

00:43:09.380 off oh no that's hideous no no when you go into literally any you rip off anything that's not

00:43:13.880 anything that you're not dead sure nothing more vile than that when they put the the vinyl

00:43:18.720 tapestry or the i mean that is coated in dna at the edge of the bed at the end of the bed yeah

00:43:24.320 yeah i'm like well you know you know my new theory about why so suites in hotels right they're like

00:43:31.380 big ticket like if you're searching you know a suite oh let's get the hennepin suite or whatever

00:43:36.100 okay oh sorry i thought you meant like candy i got no no sorry so we once shared a suite

00:43:42.400 technically or a big room whatever anyway so in portland yeah yeah

00:43:49.540 but anyway anyway my my concern with the suite right here's here's my concern about about if

00:44:00.980 you were to go for it and blow your money on like the best whatever room in the hotel yeah

00:44:05.380 that's the room where the president stays or whatever that's the room where the rock stars

00:44:10.460 stay and so i think they trash it i think they do disgusting things in there do you see what i'm

00:44:17.140 saying because they're not the entitlement of the rich the entitlement the entitlement of the rich

00:44:21.500 where it's going to actually be grosser in there there's going to be and i saw this in a gorgeous

00:44:25.400 room when i got a suite there was like i don't think it was blood but i think it was like a

00:44:28.820 cranberry relish like strewn across the lamp and no one's i just have to say because what you're

00:44:33.260 saying a dear friend of a dear friend of my life and listener of the pod who i will not name to

00:44:37.900 protect her privacy of course she told me because we were talking about this hotels on on pook and

00:44:43.300 she was gifted a you know obscenely expensive suite for her god really like gifted by the

00:44:51.860 company or whatever no so it was a gift sorry okay a gift proper gift okay and she said my god

00:44:58.720 i'm not kidding you she goes there were blood stains it's always blood i'm gonna send you my

00:45:05.540 picture bloodstains and it's like this is the the suite that you want the you want the room you want

00:45:12.560 the you want average you want the standard queen yes is staying in respectfully yeah yeah you don't 0.99

00:45:18.640 want someone who's going in there and just taking their you know penis out and spreading blood on 0.99

00:45:25.100 the walls with it whatever they do oh of course oh they do it if I seem giddy it's because I've 0.99

00:45:30.700 had a cocktail oh i love that i want to say something that i do that um i have a real allergy

00:45:40.480 and forgive me if we've talked about this on poop before but for example this hotel that i just stayed

00:45:45.000 at in in palm springs this is maybe the sixth or seventh time i've been there and i really i expect

00:45:51.340 nothing i'm not expecting a gift or anything or like oh this is free you again yeah but i but i

00:45:56.980 love the you again i want i want i feel this need to make it clear that i know like what is it it's

00:46:05.860 my fear of being a tourist it's like traveling with my mother ever and her having a map out i'm

00:46:10.360 like please put it away even like it's my fear okay yeah our friend darone okay and we can cut

00:46:17.660 his name if need be we don't need to i'm sure yeah what well we'll see we'll see because i

00:46:23.560 remember darone once look how red i am from the cocktail and rosacea all right it's so cute keep

00:46:28.300 going so darone once our friend darone was like talking about the issue with pulling out maps

00:46:32.640 while traveling okay which arguably is or like a touristy book a travel guide kind of thing

00:46:38.060 sure he goes he goes i have a billion dollar idea okay and then he goes he goes it's um it's a book

00:46:47.060 cover that slips over your travel guide you know and it's sophocles and so it looks like you're

00:46:52.920 pulling sophocles out of your uh back pocket not a travel guide hysterical love it however yeah

00:46:59.140 technically i don't think that's a billion dollar idea i think that's 50k max absolutely that is so

00:47:07.660 funny i love that but i loved him being like then you're pulling sophocles although like imagine

00:47:12.840 someone just pulling sophocles out like standing around it would be like they'd immediately get

00:47:16.840 kicked in the face well i saw somebody the other day i was going on a walk and i saw somebody

00:47:21.100 walking with a book and and i was like you're like how no that's not completely how and also

00:47:29.620 to me i had sympathy because i was like oh you're so um you're like me like i almost thought it's

00:47:35.980 like an ad thing yeah like you're so uncomfortable just like the walking which is like i can find

00:47:40.500 myself walking and being like suddenly really overwhelmed with how to make eye contact with 0.95

00:47:44.280 people who are walking by me do i smile do i not smile if i if i don't smile i'm a bitch 0.81

00:47:49.920 like or i'm like how what's the appropriate amount of eye contact to walk with someone 0.87

00:47:55.180 as you're walking if i and then if i go i'm not gonna make eye contact then i'm like wracked

00:47:59.940 with this guilt of like why am i you know i'm trying to create this barrier between myself and

00:48:04.640 the other people that i yeah i not always but i can slip into so i almost saw her as someone with

00:48:10.460 her book as being like you're not reading or walking right it's almost like they they're

00:48:14.760 both eliminated i love yeah because you're so unable to create neither if you can create

00:48:20.280 something that seems like two things at once but is neither you're still kind of covered

00:48:24.440 it's kind of like an interesting like math yeah like yeah two things neither which you're doing

00:48:31.180 serves as a single shield well you know when i was in in second grade my family went on a vacation

00:48:37.040 and um sort of befriended this other family at poolside and we ended up going out to dinner with

00:48:42.580 them which i remember being horrified kind of like we're going to know these people and they

00:48:48.140 had a little son okay who was like you know it's that that disgusting sort of um you know uh um

00:48:54.320 and giddy's or whatever or and giddy's but not really but like cabbage boy 0.86

00:48:59.260 like well what i was going to say was like the black actually what i mean is the black and white

00:49:04.740 photo of like a little toddler and a little like toddler and and and a red rose and a red rose

00:49:10.840 And they're about to make out

00:49:12.780 It's so disgusting

00:49:15.340 And then only the rose is colored

00:49:17.500 Or whatever

00:49:17.940 Or their sensual lips 0.82

00:49:19.580 One of the most offensive forms of photography

00:49:23.560 The fact that that is not

00:49:25.240 Illegal

00:49:25.980 Child pornography 1.00

00:49:26.840 Disgusting 0.99

00:49:27.740 It's actually almost worse 0.93

00:49:30.140 Maybe not worse

00:49:32.300 You and me

00:49:34.480 I was thinking about it hyperbole at all costs

00:49:36.500 You know what I mean

00:49:37.100 Where we go there

00:49:40.620 sexual abuse imagery yeah yeah like we were like it's actually worse um so like so like uh i remember

00:49:49.760 this feeling i i've never liked that thing where it's almost like well we have a son and you have

00:49:54.760 a daughter okay oh no but it's like it's it's like it's a implied sort of symmetry a sort of

00:50:01.040 heterosexual symmetry that's like yeah calls to mind something for for those around and so i felt

00:50:07.000 kind of stressed about going to dinner and so i brought along a book i think it was i think it

00:50:10.600 was the babysitters club but i'm not sure okay and i brought it to dinner because i was really

00:50:15.100 uncomfortable as a child being seen interacting with any boy in front of my parents at all yeah

00:50:21.420 yeah like me even knowing they existed embarrassed me you know what i mean and so at the table i like

00:50:26.700 i had this book that i like took out and was like reading in my lap just so i wouldn't be in this

00:50:32.560 discomfort of and um and the other father was like what are you trying to avoid my son

00:50:37.520 no yes yeah are you trying to hide behind that book and avoid my son or something and it was

00:50:44.080 horrifying with actual anger no no like like playfully like like oh playfully but you know

00:50:51.540 still not there are no jokes when you're a kid you know what i mean no and i would argue there

00:50:55.460 are no jokes yeah they're they're never tell me a single joke i can't i i hear none i've never heard

00:51:02.980 one and then the other wait wait there were two things because i was like derone oh the makeup

00:51:08.500 counter you'll love this yeah what were you gonna say so you know god life takes its turns and you

00:51:15.980 know doesn't it you can be you can become obsessed with um or some can or i can i have to let go of

00:51:25.700 being miss or i have to let go of being misunderstood who cares right you know starting

00:51:30.460 at age 11 i got really into makeup and and i remember at the time it was like you know and

00:51:35.900 you know 11 12 13 14 15 16 i don't know you know the numbers yeah and i remember like like going

00:51:43.980 in the mall with my friend and and like being able to separate from one of our mothers and

00:51:48.520 walking around and going to the beauty counters and going to mac oh stila for me was where i went

00:51:53.220 where stila oh yeah well when those when those click click click lip uh baby lip glosses came

00:52:02.000 out yeah with a little brush i mean at the time i felt like that delivery i can too that delivery

00:52:08.360 i'm bringing back okay i'm not bringing back everyone's already doing it sticky gloss okay

00:52:14.400 Sticky glass.

00:52:15.100 Lip glass.

00:52:16.100 Lip glass from Mac.

00:52:17.800 Glass was a Mac thing.

00:52:18.680 I never owned it. 1.00

00:52:19.560 But all the hot girls had lip glass. 1.00

00:52:22.340 Yeah, I had some. 1.00

00:52:23.480 There were these twins.

00:52:24.660 There were twins in my elementary school. 1.00

00:52:27.840 French twin girls. 1.00

00:52:29.440 No.

00:52:30.400 I mean, can I say their names?

00:52:32.040 Not full names.

00:52:32.720 Why am I?

00:52:33.200 No, it's too scary.

00:52:35.020 No, I'll just suffer the story.

00:52:36.220 Because they're indelible.

00:52:37.320 And about it, they could hear this.

00:52:38.920 And it's fine.

00:52:39.760 Celine and Pascal.

00:52:41.300 Are you hearing what I'm saying to you?

00:52:42.640 Imagine this.

00:52:43.260 one of their names was pascal yeah celine and pascal well hold on a second they were french

00:52:50.560 twins and they had mac lip glass both girls and i will never be the same yes both girls one of

00:52:57.060 them named pascal and the other one named what cynthia and pascal celine okay sorry celine okay

00:53:02.300 so one has a name of utter feminine french yeah glory the other pascal and by the way that's

00:53:11.600 interesting selene was they were they were twins they're both like but one was like selene was a

00:53:19.200 bit more femme well i mean not to say the thing i said i think in like a first poog episode but

00:53:26.320 do you know that people named dennis are like 90 more likely to become dentists

00:53:31.640 yes it's real it's real it's real could could there be any more humiliating reveal about human

00:53:46.540 nature okay but but to name to have two girl children right you know pre pre-gender expression

00:53:56.800 okay just two two you know um female sex organ babies zygotes and to then apply kind of to to

00:54:05.140 pre-apply such a vibe like do you feel that the naming of twins should have a kind of symmetry

00:54:11.440 or is that wrong no no because if you like if you were not jenny and jenny no it can't be that

00:54:19.400 it can't be that by the way twiddle me and twiddle dumb who's who's the ace i think it's

00:54:24.480 sweetle d absolutely no the naming is so dangerous language is dangerous we know this well this the

00:54:33.280 celebrity when the celebrity children you know who started in with sort of fresh names when they come

00:54:40.160 of age there's always this shock like oh we now have a teenager name you know juicy fruit or

00:54:47.360 whatever it's like it's like weird it's like um oh what'd you crack open there little lady

00:54:56.220 just a ranch rider spirit since since we didn't even tell you pay for that evening poog did you

00:55:02.360 pay for that the people don't even know i paid for that i ordered it in um wait bloomingdale so

00:55:11.720 so um into makeup getting and the little clack clack clack i actually have some stop motion

00:55:16.640 animation footage of those little clackers of those mac eyeshadows and i believe there were

00:55:20.860 eight bucks whoa wait eyeshadows that clack or lip glosses yeah they no i'm talking about um

00:55:28.360 not not steal it i'm talking about mac eyeshadow a single round little thing with the oh the lid

00:55:34.280 yeah yeah okay yeah and the thrill god i remember like that like choosing i mean that's one choice

00:55:39.980 like there were eight being at the mall and deciding what you're gonna spend like the eight

00:55:43.940 dollars on is a color coming to mind for you because for me that little mac eyeshadow for me

00:55:49.360 is greenish blue iridescent like a butterfly wing like a iridescent green blue I feel like I had

00:55:57.300 that one and I know saying that one they're probably like we have a lot of those but there

00:56:01.320 were I I actually have to go back god I remember one time getting this like super like electric

00:56:06.760 blue just pure pigment no sparkle no glitter no whatever no iridescence right just pure pigment

00:56:12.740 and just like god like what it felt like particularly when you found i think about it

00:56:18.080 every time i remember there me and my friend at the mall one time you know we got some something

00:56:22.940 applied makeup applied at the counter and the guy really sort of extended the eyebrow like

00:56:28.100 and he said something almost like yeah like like extend them all the way to cincinnati or something

00:56:33.400 like that yeah yeah it wasn't that but it was something like yeah like like and just like the

00:56:38.380 permission given by those people behind the counter yeah right and the the relationship

00:56:43.960 with the person behind the counter and like what it means like like that whole world like once you

00:56:49.940 engage and connect and are doing it with someone at the counter right where you're in it with them

00:56:54.780 and they're like honey try this oh it's over i mean that that that whole world i'll let them do

00:57:01.720 surgery yeah yeah wait i'm trying to remember i'm trying to think of this okay like this morning i

00:57:07.140 was recounting to chris my dream and he had that thing where like five seconds into it he's like

00:57:11.240 wait what like he forgot it was a dream and thought i was telling him about something

00:57:14.640 yeah yeah a dream no a dream a dream right yeah and it's like like i'm just thinking about moments 0.86

00:57:21.740 of almost utter who moved my g's okay but like idiocy like this where have you ever been listening 0.81

00:57:28.300 to a voicemail that's so long that you forget it's a voicemail and you talk back because i'll 0.97

00:57:34.400 be honest no no right because i realized i realized why am i why am i posing it like in a 0.72

00:57:39.420 question do you have like because i have a series of very specific moments of idiocy that i can

00:57:46.920 pinpoint right like one is one time i saw a big uh billboard i think it was for happy feet

00:57:55.380 and it had these giant penguins on it right i mean this they were on a billboard and i concluded

00:58:02.480 the movie was about giant penguins oh my god it was about penguins that's so funny that actually

00:58:10.120 just highlights your genius that for me just actually highlights how completely brilliant

00:58:14.920 you are i have a moment that i feel like that's actually a very like defining moment of me as a

00:58:21.380 child in the seventh grade that i have one my dear friend kimmy who was in the seventh grade

00:58:26.160 classroom with me was therefore witnessed it okay oh my god english class we're reading huck finn

00:58:31.380 Oh, my God.

00:58:32.380 And we're kind of going around reading different parts, chapters, whatever.

00:58:38.740 Myself, ADD, distracted, lost.

00:58:41.460 I'm absorbed in the story.

00:58:42.640 So I'm sitting there, and there's a part in Huck Finn where someone says,

00:58:49.880 I think Tom Sawyer exclaims, like, who wants to go in the cave?

00:58:53.720 Right?

00:58:54.440 So I'm kind of half spaced out listening, and I hear,

00:58:57.520 I hear, who wants to go in the cave?

00:59:00.780 and i my arm shoots up in the air me please and everyone kind of laughed or was this moment because

00:59:11.280 i was so oh my god i just heard who wants to go in the cave and got so excited so the glee

00:59:17.200 and then realizing that no no one's posing that question that is so wait okay this is the best

00:59:24.860 i love this let me see if i can pull more idiocies and like moments like that because

00:59:28.420 are really satisfying to me and i'm trying to think of others um i feel like i constantly do

00:59:34.420 things that are kind of oh alarming well here's this it's well this is kind of an example of

00:59:40.200 like because i remember in high school like this one girl said this joke to me um which is i guess

00:59:47.400 a classic okay which is like a riddle or whatever it's like what happens if you take the eye take

00:59:54.240 the eye out of fish no see when i when i start to hear riddles even that i start to get anxiety i

00:59:58.120 know the words right but like what happens if you take an eye out of fish it doesn't even work i

01:00:03.320 don't know i must have it wrong a fish with one eye no so the answer to that that riddle is

01:00:10.060 okay because it's like the letter i okay now hold on okay because i thought that

01:00:15.860 i think this is what it is it must be okay uh what happens if this is not i'm not locating it 0.74

01:00:22.720 as a joke someone's asking it but what happens if a fish loses an eye okay okay it sucks what

01:00:31.320 happens if a fish loses an eye well that's that's why it doesn't work that's why i'm drunk

01:00:37.500 okay i can hear it in my mouth i can hear it in my mouth so sad that i'm not yeah wait i'm trying

01:00:42.780 to get back to you we'll do drunk pook soon that'll be fun honey we already are okay but yeah

01:00:48.720 we will i don't have the joke right but it was it's something like that okay and and i'd heard

01:00:54.960 the answer before like yeah okay but it was like and i was like ew to me the the what that meant

01:01:02.160 was just that was the sound of of the ocean water just flushing into the empty eye socket of the

01:01:09.340 fish what happens when a fish loses an eye see that you're you're a poet you go okay thank you

01:01:15.600 thank you you have a deeper sensitivity to me and and at the time and the reason i bring this

01:01:21.920 anecdote up is because my dear friend had the same reaction that you had to the penguin thing 0.99

01:01:26.820 because because the girl told me the joke goes like and that's exactly why you're an idiot or 0.99

01:01:33.480 something like that right oh and then my best friend said no that's why she's a genius yep 0.99

01:01:42.380 yep and you know it goes i mean the problem is it's it's unfortunate that in order to survive

01:01:50.120 an insult you have to be heralded the extreme opposite right like yeah like like it wouldn't

01:01:57.280 be okay for it to be like no she's just normal you know what i mean but right right i say lean 0.80

01:02:04.740 why why the fuck not though like why not i mean that's like neuro neuro diversity right like 0.88

01:02:11.020 yeah genius can occur at the boundaries all around the circle do you know what i mean like 0.98

01:02:16.700 genius isn't one point at the end yeah of course like genius can be really far out north really

01:02:23.500 far out south really far you know yeah okay great well we have to wrap up we do i can never yeah i

01:02:31.520 never see the timer um this was great and guess who guess who was really sad a few hours ago

01:02:38.020 and guess who's not really sad anymore myself i can't believe i had a cocktail on poog

01:02:43.200 oh i'm really sorry i didn't join you no i i i hope the listener isn't um like just to hear me

01:02:50.640 slowly devolve like to hear my not at all you were beautiful on poog tonight well and we'll

01:02:55.400 talk about this actually i want i intended for us to talk about add today because it's oh it's big

01:03:01.660 for us right now but as you know i went through a period when i was training again and we'll leave

01:03:05.840 in a second but training trying to train to to uh get get my cognitive everything all uh

01:03:13.440 engines firing and I got this little plastic brain trainer toy where you had to remember like

01:03:20.680 three numbers back so it'd be like 122 647 you know 326 and and then you had to type in the other

01:03:27.700 you had to type in the other one and then remember the one you just it's like impossible and yet I

01:03:32.460 got my way and I was doing it nightly in bed before going to bed and then one night I had a

01:03:37.540 cocktail or two came home got in bed scored higher than I'd ever scored be on four believable

01:03:46.140 does that not devastate like I would have done better on the SATs drunk and no one was there to

01:03:52.520 figure that out no one was there to figure that out oh of course life is hell we're all constantly

01:03:59.580 being robbed of uh oh my god the fullest expression of her god my my are gone even 0.95

01:04:05.500 i'm trash i love you try come alive i want to get trashed with you you and i really 0.82

01:04:11.840 should get trashed true would it be performance art or absolute is the phrase i want to be on 0.99

01:04:19.680 your level is the phrase self-indulgence still relevant i think it's over fuck yes oh no because 0.97

01:04:26.680 i constantly as you know if i hear snippets of myself on pook often i go yeah like even earlier 0.95

01:04:31.920 today i'm feeling extreme self-consciousness about me oh wow okay yeah talk about having children

01:04:37.340 and the implications of being of childbearing age actually past it i mean geriatric your geriatric

01:04:45.540 at like 19 right it's like and i'm like with pregnancy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um yeah

01:04:52.780 Yeah, but this...

01:04:53.920 And it feels extremely self-indulgent and embarrassing to me. 1.00

01:04:57.420 It's a goddamn podcast. 0.98

01:04:58.680 It's a, you know, there were many early on who said, 0.99

01:05:01.820 what is this, a chat cast?

01:05:03.500 You girls want to make a chat cast? 1.00

01:05:05.320 They did. 1.00

01:05:05.840 They go a couple of whores talking about soap. 1.00

01:05:10.280 I don't think so. 1.00

01:05:11.580 As you said, having long hair.

01:05:15.520 You're like, ah, come on.

01:05:16.780 Give me the hard sell. 1.00

01:05:18.400 It's two long-haired gals. 1.00

01:05:21.560 Or we have to leave. 1.00

01:05:22.580 we have to go

01:05:23.320 it's

01:05:24.100 it's truly tragic

01:05:25.140 to leave you tipsy

01:05:26.320 I'll bring this energy

01:05:27.500 down to my living room

01:05:28.820 bring it to

01:05:29.980 facetiming me 0.97

01:05:31.040 the true poog 0.97

01:05:32.620 is you calling me 0.95

01:05:33.740 oh

01:05:34.100 I'm happy to

01:05:35.100 alright let's

01:05:35.860 alright fine

01:05:37.120 I'm smashed

01:05:37.980 I love you

01:05:38.780 alright love you

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01:05:56.960 Oh, my God.

01:05:57.940 I could not be more grateful.

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01:06:02.140 And, you know, I was thinking about it as you were popping up in my iPhone, like, one of the first things, or on my watch, like, of people I text.

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01:06:12.400 I know.

01:06:12.740 Like, I remember, like, just thinking you were so funny across the table at pianos one night.

01:06:18.160 Because, like, you know, it's loud there, right?

01:06:20.120 It's loud.

01:06:20.560 There's a lot going on.

01:06:21.300 There's other people.

01:06:21.980 Yeah.

01:06:22.180 And like, and you're like, you're making like funny comments.

01:06:25.940 And like, and I'm like, oh my God.

01:06:28.180 Like, like a marvel.

01:06:29.960 You were a marvel at the table.

01:06:33.960 Jacqueline.

01:06:34.540 It was like, it was like.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - January 11, 2022

Hyperbole at All Costs

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