Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - January 04, 2022


Utter Bansheehood

Line It As It Is Hyperbole at All Costs

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1 hour and 6 minutes

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185.48

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12,276

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363

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7

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62

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32

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Transcript

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00:01:34.840 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.
00:01:36.280 I'm Jacqueline Novak.
00:01:37.380 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.
00:01:42.080 Two untamable intellects.
00:01:43.840 This is our hobby. 0.97
00:01:44.700 This is our hell.
00:01:45.540 This is our naked desire for free products.
00:01:47.820 This is POOG.
00:01:49.220 Today's topic, loosely speaking.
00:01:50.660 Solutions.
00:01:52.760 Moldavite.
00:01:54.060 Farmer's market.
00:01:55.300 I'm wildly trying to record so I don't miss it sorry what was that I was saying
00:02:03.020 we have to keep the product we have to keep the product tight we had a huge
00:02:09.100 year with poog yes and and I mean I'll repeat to the to the hags what I just
00:02:15.040 said to you which is I have a new setup today I can now sit the last several
00:02:18.520 episodes I've been crouching over the microphone angry it's affected the
00:02:24.160 product it's affected my ability to flow it's affected joy levels the listeners don't know
00:02:29.460 i've been in a full backbend for every recording we've been contorted that's a little joke and by
00:02:35.300 the way we have to tell everyone it's new year's eve so this is quite a recording new year's eve
00:02:41.180 eve of the new year very loaded um yesterday was of course an unimaginable pit of despair
00:02:47.620 um two days of pouring rain in los angeles it was i hadn't had a good like deep-throated sob
00:02:55.020 in a while and to be so two things made me fully tip over the edge the constant rain for two days
00:03:01.500 not sitting foot outside and then yesterday the previous night i had made this big pot of soup
00:03:07.520 it was an allison roman recipe for this white bean um it's truly a stable of mine it's a white
00:03:13.060 bean kale kind of spicy tomato broth it's it's really delicious incredibly easy to make i made
00:03:18.880 a huge pot of it tomato broth you say yeah you know i'm interested oh yeah and i was like it's
00:03:24.040 being great i'm gonna have a couple days i'm gonna read i'm gonna eat soup i'm gonna pray
00:03:28.460 i made the soup i had a couple bowls i spaced out and i left the pot on the stove overnight 0.76
00:03:36.360 i woke up and i was like are you fucking kidding me my immediate i refrigerated it and then my 0.77
00:03:41.900 immediate impulse was it'll be fine but i'm googling and you know this chicken broth you 0.96
00:03:45.920 absolutely cannot eat it you have to throw it away it's really terrifying with with the fda
00:03:50.380 what they say though if it's cooked no no listen to this they say two hours it's left out it goes
00:03:57.220 the two hours at room temperature is long enough for murderous bacteria to grow on the surface it's
00:04:03.400 so starting because and this is something that yeah like and yet people are not dying i mean i
00:04:09.080 I know, but I think chicken though, you have to be careful with chicken.
00:04:12.020 Chicken's terrifying.
00:04:12.960 And I won't even cook chicken in my home because I have so much fear around it.
00:04:16.560 I have a lot of fear around chicken as well.
00:04:18.780 I mean, I don't really cook meat in my home.
00:04:22.120 It's like...
00:04:22.640 Cooking a full chicken terrifies me less.
00:04:25.420 The pieces of it and the tendons and the bones sliding around.
00:04:28.320 And you have to basically enact surgery.
00:04:31.120 You have to have a completely sanitized area.
00:04:33.700 I'm like, I don't have an island in my kitchen.
00:04:35.520 I don't have a separate area I can designate for meat preparation.
00:04:38.520 so if I'm cooking chicken I'm going the raw chicken juice is going to be essentially I do
00:04:43.660 it like in the sink I'm like everywhere yeah like like I mean you know not a lot of counter space
00:04:50.460 you know at all or like in the past when I had zero literally not a stitch of it I mean literally
00:04:56.580 zero yeah connects to stove not three inches yeah I guess technically three inches between the
00:05:04.260 anyway. But yeah, I would have to sort of make it all happen in the sink. So it almost be like
00:05:09.320 put a plate in there, handle the chicken in there, wash my hands. Yeah. Use an excess of
00:05:16.480 paper towels and just get it all down the drain. But yeah, it's, um, I've ordered in a shredded
00:05:21.780 chicken and a pre, you know, pre-cooked shredded chicken occasionally. Of course. But it tends to
00:05:28.100 be dry. Oh yeah, I know. And you want to shred it at home. Let's get real. I mean, it's not going
00:05:31.540 arrive wet how could it moist shredded chicken is euphoric but anyway so the soup was ruined
00:05:37.760 there was so much rain and normally i really enjoy the rain because it feels so exotic for
00:05:42.500 los angeles but yeah anyway yesterday i had i had some real sobbing but it was fine and i tried to
00:05:47.580 turn on um media to distract me and i thought i thought the feature film snowpiercer would take
00:05:54.860 me away into cinema and into story. I'm shocked you turned on Snowpiercer. The film, which I have
00:06:01.640 not seen. I really enjoyed it. No, I hear it's fantastic. With the train, right? Yes, yes, yes.
00:06:06.920 The Dictopian train. I really can't wait to watch it. But then I, two minutes in, was like, I'm so 0.89
00:06:12.960 distracted by the despair. I can't. But I climbed out and the sun was shining today and I went for
00:06:17.720 a walk and I texted you, Jacqueline, yesterday because for the first time in months, I actually
00:06:22.180 exercise it has been months since i did my my melissa wood health poga as i call it she does
00:06:27.480 not call it that's what i call it pilates yoga blend and today i went on a on a walk and did
00:06:33.060 some deep journaling the walk the promise of the walk um to make oneself feel better i feel like
00:06:41.160 it's disappointed me so many times really that yeah that at this point you know the suggestion
00:06:48.400 of going for a nice walk or whatever is so loaded
00:06:52.180 that it almost equals disappointment.
00:06:55.640 It's like, now I know that it happens enough
00:06:59.160 that there is a benefit.
00:07:01.340 Yeah, I'm religious about the walk
00:07:02.800 and it does actually lift me.
00:07:04.920 I mean, I think at times it lifts me,
00:07:07.020 but I think it's mostly about, you know,
00:07:09.800 going from being inside to outside. 0.69
00:07:11.980 I mean, duh, Jesus woman. 0.99
00:07:13.660 Um, I think it's about, um, just really taking my time leading people through obviousness
00:07:21.120 signature move. I try to make the obvious feel new again. I'm just looking at my now
00:07:28.500 unlit desktop Christmas tree. What do you think about the, you know, how long can Christmas
00:07:33.840 decorations remain after Christmas day? Forever. I grew up my, in my house, it was always the last
00:07:41.400 of the neighborhood um because we would have our christmas tree up i'm not joking i'm gonna ask my
00:07:46.240 mom yeah i'll fact check this but i believe once it was in there in february like i feel like that's
00:07:51.700 not i thought you're gonna say july i mean i feel like one time we became like a valentine's yeah
00:07:56.140 christmas tree oh right because it's it's wonderful to have a tree in your house it smells
00:08:00.980 fabulous and the lights i mean it's glorious well i guess a lot of people right if it's a
00:08:05.960 true tree it will get brittle and brown and the leaves will fall off if it's artificial i mean
00:08:10.920 That's, again, you know this, but why I love Los Angeles, we make dreams happen.
00:08:15.220 Yeah.
00:08:15.660 Through illusion.
00:08:16.600 Like we're not afraid.
00:08:17.840 No.
00:08:18.280 And I say we as a recent, you know, Los Angeles, you know, Angelina.
00:08:23.820 No, we tell stories with images.
00:08:25.520 We believe that through the power of imagery, the power.
00:08:27.620 You know, we create.
00:08:28.540 We create stories.
00:08:29.240 Like, you know, the production designers, Halloween decorations, you know, that you just roll past on a street and you just see absolute magic.
00:08:36.660 But I'm staring at it.
00:08:37.480 And recently what I've allowed is this idea of what are the 12 days of Christmas?
00:08:41.560 Are they?
00:08:42.060 Oh, I always forget.
00:08:43.220 Do they start with Christmas Day or are they?
00:08:45.980 I thought the last day was Christmas.
00:08:48.100 I know.
00:08:48.680 That's kind of what I always assumed.
00:08:50.440 On the 12th day of Christmas, it's Christmas?
00:08:52.680 But I'm not sure.
00:08:53.300 That's nice.
00:08:53.880 I always forget about that, that Christmas can be durational in a calendrical sense,
00:08:58.040 not just commercially.
00:09:01.640 Speaking of Christmas, I wanted to shout out, no, but truly,
00:09:07.480 We got a couple really nice gifts, which is Adam Selman sent us some beautiful pieces.
00:09:13.100 Oh my God.
00:09:13.740 So I want to really do a shout out today. I was actually doing.
00:09:16.620 I'm actually wearing the pants right now.
00:09:18.520 I was just wearing them. I was doing my welcome back to civilization. The rain's gone. I can now
00:09:24.560 walk, you know, New Year's. I did my New Year's Eve walk in some leopard leggings that I love.
00:09:30.260 And then within moments, my period was activated.
00:09:34.280 Oh, wow.
00:09:35.180 like 10 steps from my door and had there been even 30 more seconds oh right through the pan the
00:09:42.160 salmons would have been ruined not ruined but yeah and it was like i caught it instantly did
00:09:47.240 you immediately soak in cold water no no they're perfect it didn't happen but it was about to like
00:09:52.060 as i was approaching my door it felt you know euphoric god the extent to which i feel like a
00:09:57.920 hero if i remove something stained and soak it or whatever immediately i spilled something all over
00:10:03.400 this white robe and i took action i literally the robe the robe the white lotus robe the white lotus
00:10:11.560 robe no i gave that to my tour manager wow my my bag was so stuffed that like like my suitcases
00:10:19.800 from new york that i just was like i cannot add this to the bunch and um exquisite gift
00:10:27.000 and uh well yeah a casually given gift hey you want this it's always nice you want this absolute
00:10:34.000 day incredible thing day hey would you want this i mean it's like that time you got what did you
00:10:38.200 get the sk sk uh two someone casually was like i'm not into this are you and you're like yeah
00:10:43.320 i don't know and i almost tried to relax like i didn't lunge at it was so much force i was like
00:10:47.160 oh yeah yeah terrified she would take it back instantly no it's like this whole thing of like
00:10:53.820 at the estate sale or whatever like acting like you don't know that the toy is actually worth
00:11:00.880 a shit ton on ebay and said yeah my son just loves vintage daffy duck yeah yeah oh like how
00:11:09.600 much is this yeah yeah was five bucks okay 10 praying not to tip them off i know i feel like 0.51
00:11:17.260 my my energy today is almost you feel it right i'm like i feel like it's actually counteractive
00:11:23.660 to poog no like i have this little i made this little list of some things i wanted so i wouldn't
00:11:28.300 forget and i never right do poog with a list and i can already feel it's completely you know that
00:11:34.180 what you do by force you destroy right and so it's like here i am with my little list going
00:11:39.220 this ain't great i'm really going to be on top of it because in the last few days i've been
00:11:43.380 overwhelmed with my add and the way in which it is chipping away at some of the most important
00:11:49.640 elements of my life um and enough is enough i texted my therapist like what is the add book 0.85
00:11:55.720 that i need to read and she sent me god damn driven by distraction no or driven to distraction
00:12:02.680 driven to distraction it's and that was on my mother's nightstand my whole life and she was
00:12:07.880 unable to read due to her add yeah and so i have like the first edition it's like sepia toned
00:12:13.880 tea stained yeah in the 80s or the 90s yes why would i age myself up and uh but i guess i'll
00:12:20.540 read it but there's a new edition and then even that just got me i was like cool do i read the
00:12:25.280 version i have or is it going to be so dated that i get false information like is the new
00:12:29.920 do i have to research exactly so i have to get the new edition but i have add on my list as well
00:12:36.900 yeah add is really i enough is enough i just i have to rehabilitate i have to and it really
00:12:43.080 hurts the the interrupting people things out of control I need to it's devastating to me like even
00:12:50.560 I feel myself doing it to you on poog or otherwise and even we went live on Christmas and I was so
00:12:55.920 distracted by the comments which obviously is just neurologically impossible to not be distracted by
00:13:00.620 them that's why these you know these films are designed to do that but um yeah I don't think
00:13:06.220 you interrupt me that much I mean I interrupt you constantly so if anything you know I welcome it
00:13:11.840 for that reason it's like you know it's shared the irritability that's the other thing like a
00:13:17.740 main symptom of ADD right is irritability right and that that's the worst that's the absolute worst
00:13:24.680 well you know the ADD path and the whole thing is I mean I spent years pursuing solutions and
00:13:33.420 reading different books I mean literally I was like walking on you should have a book I just
00:13:39.700 thought i just had a huge idea for you to interrupt you your next book after this book
00:13:43.580 should be called solutions you know it's so funny because like i was thinking about that recently
00:13:48.840 and i was almost imagining i was talking about it on poop because i was i was like it's always i'm
00:13:53.780 always i mean and it's one of these classic things like don't always have to provide a solution can't
00:13:58.460 you just listen i'm just trying to vent you know and i'm like i'm like one of these men you always
00:14:02.100 hear about these husbands that always want to solve the problem just listen to me don't try
00:14:07.220 to solve everything yeah and i'm like but i could erase your negative feeling if i solve it for you
00:14:14.160 let's just do that yeah like and it's just profound discomfort with the other person
00:14:20.880 having negative emotions my my mom always would jump to the extreme you know if you're like well
00:14:28.340 i have this issue with the band we always refer to it as quit the band because you just go like
00:14:33.220 so quit the band and you're like mom okay you're like i'm i'm just talking about you want tools
00:14:40.460 for staying in the band what's that you mean you want the tools to stay in the band yes yes or to
00:14:46.860 consider it possibly but just this this intense interruption of so quit the band it's like
00:14:53.260 you want this to end you want this this uncertainty to end i struggle with certainty
00:14:59.180 yeah just looking oh I had a I had a very um well a couple things I had the most sort of obvious
00:15:05.980 the kind of first thought someone might have that leads them in in the direction of
00:15:09.700 self-improvement right and I sort of had it anew which you know it was almost like the least
00:15:16.460 sophisticated version of like self-betterment or something that occurred to me and I was like
00:15:21.740 almost like let's go back to basics are you ready for what it is yeah here's the realization so I
00:15:26.160 was like lying there on the couch and you know feeling um despondent about what i had not achieved
00:15:33.420 that day right and the unit of day to me is just you know this pushing a ball up a hill and then
00:15:40.840 or you know whatever a rock up a hill and it slides back down in the night and each each day
00:15:45.140 i relearn what life is some maybe by 6 p.m you know what i mean when it's too late it's like
00:15:51.180 we've talked about this 50 first dates okay that movie and the wisdom of sisyphus is knowing yes
00:15:57.000 you know the rock's gonna tumble down on you you know that i mean what is this sisyphus's life
00:16:02.560 okay if and i don't have the both of us as you know neither of us have ever been deeply called
00:16:08.180 to gather information even though we think we should the myths yeah oh every six months i wake 0.77
00:16:15.640 up in a cold sweat my knowledge of myths is shit I proclaim to be curious in how the world works 0.93
00:16:22.040 and how the mind works right and how relationships work nary a myth reference except for the most 0.98
00:16:28.940 obvious I know I know it's devastating I was like oh yeah I know about Icarus barely oh
00:16:34.660 narcissist barely yeah like i know i'm like daphne daphne is of course actually that's
00:16:43.040 actually fresh to me like nothing comes to mind when you say that daphne is the one who like
00:16:50.020 turns into a tree or she like is turning into a tree and she i just have an image of this woman 0.95
00:16:58.340 who's like hand is up and it's like starting to become a tree and it's kind of this god damn it 0.83
00:17:03.840 when was I reading this? Cause it was something really profound about kind of the romantic object 0.73
00:17:09.620 or something. And Daphne is on the ground, but becoming a tree, like striving for the heavens
00:17:14.480 kind of. And okay, cool. Well, as usual, I've completely mangled, given less than half of an
00:17:20.780 idea and have to abandon it immediately. I have to find, I'm enjoying it. No, but I have to,
00:17:25.660 I think it was that book I was reading called soulmates. Oh, right. That Jungian. Yeah,
00:17:30.000 I got that. It's sitting on the shelf. What the hell is his name? Thomas something. I mean,
00:17:33.680 another. And it was fabulous. Of course, I loved it. I read like half of it and then just put it
00:17:37.720 down. I have to pick it back up. Yeah. I try to make peace with my books being, you know,
00:17:43.340 the pile of books, not seeing them as these sort of unfinished, you know, mockeries of
00:17:48.260 not seeing every single one as, as an, as a mock artifact of me not knowing myself enough
00:17:55.920 to know that i don't have the time to read whatever but or it's like who cares like i try
00:18:01.720 to see the books it's a monument to hope yes yes like that's what the stack next to the bed is like
00:18:07.000 to me i'm like that is a monument to hope it is a worthy attachment to this idea of the person i
00:18:14.200 could be that i hope to be no i see it like like i can see it as this deep and cold lake like all
00:18:20.120 the books next to me you know and no I'm not fishing today necessarily yeah but but it's full
00:18:26.640 of fish you know what I mean and I know it's full of fish and that allows me to like not eat fish on
00:18:32.080 a given day because like I'm at peace knowing they're there I mean I do think there's value
00:18:36.700 in being surrounded by books even if um well I also think books just call to mind uh uh the
00:18:45.260 sort of they hint at humanity existing for a long time relatively compared to our own
00:18:55.240 existence and i don't know it's just like lives lived lives lived you know i mean oh yeah like
00:19:00.360 humanity through the through the ages they suggest time and just text effort hey effort was made so
00:19:08.400 maybe you should try to we have to go to break all right when we get back i'm gonna finish and
00:19:14.220 finally say the thing i was gonna say okay great this is rider strong and i have a new podcast
00:19:22.980 called the red weather it was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor
00:19:31.740 and a trainer disappeared from a commune it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and
00:19:36.600 trees and praying and drugs no i am not your guru and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police
00:19:46.280 i lied to everybody there were years right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back
00:19:51.460 to my hometown in northern california interview my friends family talk to police journalists
00:19:55.960 whomever i can to try to find out what actually happened isn't it a little bit weird that they
00:20:00.960 obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend they have had this case for
00:20:05.380 30 years. I'll teach you
00:20:07.660 sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00
00:20:09.960 Boom. Boom. This is 1.00
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00:20:55.900 What were you going to say?
00:20:56.800 Oh, yeah.
00:20:57.460 Well, I was setting up this idea.
00:20:59.040 So I'm lying there.
00:21:00.180 I'm reflecting on what I didn't achieve during the day.
00:21:03.680 And, you know, just exhausted by this, this being something I've dealt with since 12, you know, just like beating myself up at the end of the day, and whatever. And I had this thought, which is like same thought I had in and I see it in my journals in eighth grade, like this plan to almost like live the next day, like perfectly. Okay, of course.
00:21:24.060 now I feel like as a result of that I learned that that sort of perfectionist thinking and
00:21:32.960 all that kind of stuff it's too rigid and it only leads to depression and you know you collapsing
00:21:38.280 and and just you know doing nothing and all that kind of stuff and this no no there should be this
00:21:42.620 balance and whatever whatever right and it's like but then like I realized the other day I was like
00:21:48.200 well what if I just oh yeah here's what it was are you ready I was like what if like tomorrow
00:21:53.600 I go for it okay like it's like I haven't gone for it in so many years yeah okay the classic
00:22:00.580 like live the day as I would like to live it if I felt I had the ability to right to do all the
00:22:05.980 things that I would love to say I could do in a day right get up meditate read you know work out
00:22:12.420 do four to six hours of writing you know whatever four to six so I was like I'm gonna go for it and
00:22:19.500 then here was, here was how I, cause what gets in the way, right. With the, I'm going to do that
00:22:24.060 is one won't be able to maintain it and that'll be depressing. So might as well not try at all.
00:22:27.660 Right. And I was like, all right, well, what if instead, and this is how I would trick myself.
00:22:34.280 What if I was, you know, an angel came down. Okay. And said, if you can do it, if you can push
00:22:39.960 yourself and do it tomorrow, you know, as you'd like to do it, I will make it effortless for you
00:22:45.520 to do that forevermore okay do you see what i'm saying yeah like if you like if you do it you break
00:22:52.120 the spell yeah you do it once you actually hunker down your your reward your reward will be it'll
00:22:57.660 never be hard again is eternal okay oh my god imagine no that's a weird idea and i don't know
00:23:04.040 exactly what's going on there i think it's that you know we all want guaranteeing right and if
00:23:11.780 someone said like if you do this you can have it you'd do it I guess right or I mean whatever
00:23:19.440 it's not it's not a perfect example but I sort of like was like you are capable it's not like
00:23:25.080 these things that you want to do I guess it's like whatever but I kind of like went for it and
00:23:29.800 Mabel like woke me up with an aggressive bath utter you know sandpaper bath I don't know 7 30
00:23:36.340 or something that's kind of it's unusual no usually not the aggressive bath in the morning
00:23:41.300 So it was sort of like, I was like, maybe Mabel knows, knows what's going on.
00:23:45.180 And it's like time to get up.
00:23:46.360 So cute.
00:23:47.040 And I'm going to do it.
00:23:47.860 Yeah.
00:23:48.120 And like, I sort of like went downstairs quietly and I read some spiritual literature.
00:23:54.320 I meditated, you know, which I haven't done for real.
00:23:57.820 How long did you meditate for?
00:23:59.860 I guess I'm so 20.
00:24:00.960 Trapped on duration.
00:24:02.020 I'm like, how many hours?
00:24:04.180 Wow.
00:24:04.700 20, 20 is good.
00:24:05.800 Unguided.
00:24:06.460 Not that that makes it more real.
00:24:09.160 I just am curious.
00:24:10.240 Yeah. 1.00
00:24:10.360 no yeah unguided um wow unguided just sitting with the breath and the mantra i'm a whore with 0.86
00:24:18.300 my calm app yeah you know just seeing the distractions as as okay this is i'm coming to
00:24:24.820 know myself you know that that whole thing like like the distractions and recognizing them and
00:24:30.260 having to return to the meditation that's not a problem that's not failing that is the work you
00:24:34.560 know what I mean I guess we just get bored of truth right like like we know that about meditation
00:24:41.140 the very point I just made and like thus it's a bore we're not truth is not interesting no it
00:24:47.700 has it for a second it has to be surprising we know the truth always well that's the utter laugh
00:24:56.360 of seeking advice and basically why I don't do it yeah you know I mean I've never heard you seek
00:25:03.380 advice. It's incredible. Whereas I am begging, I am begging the tribunal every morning. What should
00:25:09.900 I do? Help? Like, what's this? Do I, you know, about everything. And that's my process of growing
00:25:17.720 up is needing to do that less. And even though I feel that I do have a sense of self or know
00:25:22.820 myself in some capacity, why am I constantly needing to pull the masses? Whenever we ask
00:25:28.560 something all right and right you usually know but you're just seeking reassurance no I know and
00:25:33.820 that makes me go I mean because I'm a sucker for when people ask me and most people are but when
00:25:38.380 asked advice it puts you in that role of okay let me see if I can pull out some wisdom and get to
00:25:43.720 feel like you know something I don't know it's it's an interesting I mean do you find any value
00:25:48.400 in that kind of um cognitive behavioral therapy sort of type thing that's like you know what would
00:25:57.980 you say to a friend oh yeah if they said that about themselves i've said i've done that little
00:26:03.940 trick before and maybe like twice it made me feel better you're like yeah i don't know i like that
00:26:11.120 so the idea just to clarify the idea is like you're sitting there saying you failed on this 0.99
00:26:16.400 one thing so you're shit and you don't deserve to live if a friend told you that about themselves 0.96
00:26:21.060 you'd be like no actually da da da da right and you'd provide this counter argument and so the 1.00
00:26:27.580 idea is that you do that for yourself. Right. But the problem is when they go like, oh, what would
00:26:33.200 you say to a friend? And you remembered saying that to a friend and, oh yeah, I talked them out
00:26:37.600 of it, but that's only because I don't think they hold the same standards for themselves that I
00:26:41.660 hold for myself, you know? And it's like, right. But there's another thing like that. Oh, you know
00:26:47.880 what I cannot stand? And it keeps coming up is when they promise you that if you do something
00:26:52.340 enough times it'll start to become as easy as brushing your teeth when I'm like I struggle
00:26:58.160 with getting that done every day like that has never the it's oh if you start a writing practice
00:27:05.840 you know after a certain attempt becomes it's just it's like brushing your teeth I'm like so
00:27:10.780 it's it's hard I question it every day um go to hell I'm thinking of bringing my toothbrushing
00:27:18.360 experience down into the realm of where my beauty stuff is that I do at night watching television
00:27:23.700 I think that might be the better way for me there's something about standing there in the
00:27:28.340 bathroom to brush that has yes I've got I've gone there and that helps a lot I mean my greatest
00:27:34.160 joy is to brush my teeth in the shower yes I'm thinking similar to my misting oh maybe I should
00:27:40.720 keep a secondary toothbrush in the shower.
00:27:44.740 Ooh, is that hygienic?
00:27:47.620 I mean, I don't think it's any less hygienic than sitting on your counter.
00:27:51.380 Arguably it's more protected from the toilet and it's splashes.
00:27:56.260 I would keep it in a cup.
00:27:58.300 Oh my God.
00:27:58.880 So flushing your toilet with your toilet seat up is like the equivalent of 1.00
00:28:03.780 like guzzling a stranger's shit. 0.99
00:28:06.520 Oh, the aerosols by the way. 1.00
00:28:09.340 if I'm in an airplane bathroom the place that I avoid more than any other place on earth
00:28:15.760 if I'm in there
00:28:17.300 I mean in one of the most industrial forceful flushes I haven't touched a single surface and
00:28:25.320 the idea that people are in there flushing without the toilet seat down
00:28:29.700 I mean it's just unfathomable is the is the plan and by the way I'm sorry but where is it going I
00:28:36.940 This is, is it shot out into the air?
00:28:39.240 Did I imagine that? 1.00
00:28:41.060 We'd be covered in shit. 1.00
00:28:42.920 I think there's a chamber. 1.00
00:28:44.580 No.
00:28:44.960 I still can't believe that private business, not even the government.
00:28:48.760 Okay.
00:28:49.080 Private business, which is, you know, airlines, boogie air.
00:28:53.200 Okay.
00:28:53.460 Are allowed to fly into space just across our homes.
00:28:56.000 And occasionally those planes crash and they land on people and their homes.
00:29:00.280 The fact that that's okay.
00:29:02.480 Yeah.
00:29:03.120 Yeah.
00:29:03.380 Yeah.
00:29:04.080 Very rarely.
00:29:04.920 Very occasionally.
00:29:05.760 Yeah.
00:29:06.100 Yeah.
00:29:06.940 The fact that that's allowed, like that we, as when planes were ushered in, what?
00:29:12.400 It's an option.
00:29:13.960 Anything to make a buck, doll.
00:29:15.920 Oh, I accidentally bought some like almost cardstock cream colored printer paper.
00:29:22.920 I feel like a million bucks to have your writing on that.
00:29:27.580 Ooh.
00:29:29.000 Yes. 1.00
00:29:29.900 Damn. 1.00
00:29:30.360 What do you print? 1.00
00:29:30.820 Wait.
00:29:31.120 So do you write?
00:29:32.100 Oh, see, this is the fantasy.
00:29:33.300 This is why I miss, I miss everything that I once had.
00:29:36.940 um an academic career for example the ability to read and write you were forced into it by school
00:29:43.040 and then you were forced into it and then there are these moments writing and then printing it
00:29:47.340 out and then reading it and marking up the paper i mean that is the best high i miss that high of
00:29:53.460 just that result i have to get a printer and god i love a printer in that way i know i miss school
00:30:00.680 i know my i literally came across a thing about foucault um really like an essay i just i saved
00:30:08.200 it's about foucault uh borges and trying to think who the third was book specifically but it was
00:30:15.480 about like when language uh oh yeah when language does it transcends itself like i forget i don't
00:30:26.300 know i have to dig it out but little derrida in there oh absolutely i remember one afternoon
00:30:31.700 grasping when the derrida took hold and then never being the same when it took hold sailing
00:30:37.760 on adderall i'm very interested so did you take any adderall okay so this is really scary to me 0.71
00:30:43.120 so yesterday i woke up and i thought enough is a fucking enough i'm working today i'm at least 0.84
00:30:46.920 gonna read a lot i took half an adderall which is five milligrams so it was a 10 milligram cut in 0.91
00:30:52.300 half and normally that five will have me soaring will have me high soaring focused high um it did
00:31:00.040 almost nothing which brings me to my next point which is that i convinced myself it's a digestion
00:31:06.700 issue and then now you're on now you're looking for colonics or i was like why isn't this hitting
00:31:10.540 like and then uh last week i took a i took a little piece of a weed edible exactly last week
00:31:18.100 i took a little piece of an edible that was sent to us actually 1906 um there's like peanut butter
00:31:23.380 cup edible and i like a very low dose so i'll like something that maybe some people do as a
00:31:28.300 single dose i'll like do it over the course of three evenings or something and i ate part of it
00:31:33.920 and then felt nothing and then three hours later was like really nice pleasantly stoned like very
00:31:40.160 still low dose but felt it really though no for me i feel like i i felt the delay the delay was
00:31:47.560 extraordinary for me where I was like, something's
00:31:49.960 wrong with my digestion. You scheduled it? And before we go
00:31:51.900 to break, I'll tease. You scheduled it.
00:31:53.940 And Jacqueline, you just said it. Guess who's
00:31:56.040 getting their first colonic
00:31:57.480 Sunday?
00:32:00.300 I have no respect for the break.
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00:33:42.380 So did you schedule it? I'm already feeling jealousy that like I've missed the chance. I thought you wanted us to be next to each other, clutching each other's hands.
00:33:50.980 Always, always. But I think we know that's not possible. I got a couple of recommendations. I then my friend of mine goes to this woman a lot and she was like, this is the woman. I go to her website. She's booked up for two months, honey.
00:34:08.480 oh my god okay so she's art which got me of course so excited um and then my friend i was
00:34:16.540 my friend was like i'll text her if you want and see if she can get you in i go please i go
00:34:19.720 tell her i have a podcast tell her i have a wellness podcast top 10 baby yeah yeah i get a
00:34:25.860 text how about 7 45 a.m on sunday and i go i'll be there la gravity colonic can't wait to report
00:34:33.840 back my god the gravity colonic thing about it is that which is i know very little but what i've
00:34:38.900 heard by the way i've already of course terrified my colon will rupture and i'll die on the table
00:34:43.100 i mean i'm really pushing through some fear here but the thing about the colonics that i've heard
00:34:48.020 about through like for my very limited reading on ayurveda or something is like you want gravity
00:34:53.780 to be the thing like you want the water high up like so it doesn't force like a lot of conventional
00:34:58.400 modern colonics it's like a hose it's like a horizontal hose and it's too forceful you want
00:35:04.800 gravity to be the thing pushing it through like a yeah you don't want to be like power hosing one of
00:35:10.080 those things you stick in plants that like waters them all the time those are globes
00:35:14.580 clearly gravity based oh yeah yeah exactly exactly so it's a globe and so i already have my i mean
00:35:23.480 can you believe the romance of that i'm going on sunday so my big plan is to get it you know by
00:35:28.200 by nine o'clock I'll be cleaned out and I have this fantasy of driving myself to the ocean
00:35:34.560 and like this is my big fantasy because it'll be the second so it'll be the day it'll be the
00:35:41.360 new year essentially I'll I'll drive out to the ocean and I'll um you know pick up a juice
00:35:47.720 and I'll just walk the ocean I'm being called to the sea I'm being called to the sea lately in a
00:35:53.820 way that I cannot ignore so I know even though your fears of madness you mentioned that last
00:36:00.960 week the sea can make you mad driven mad by the sea a mad woman wouldn't it be nice to end life 0.64
00:36:09.880 as a mad woman like doesn't that seem like like a good idea screaming into the night yeah absolutely 0.88
00:36:15.420 utter banshee hood well that my dream yeah no absolutely to be rendered I mean madness because
00:36:21.920 you don't have to come back for from it like at the end of your life like like i remember someone
00:36:26.800 i knew talking about how they were just like yeah like if they know they're gonna die or like it's
00:36:30.780 like really near the end or something or last like however long of their life or they're very old and
00:36:36.060 they're like i've only got a couple years left like they're just gonna go to some beach and like
00:36:39.620 just do heroin or something constantly or whatever people always go to heroin they're like i'm gonna
00:36:44.100 do heroin when i'm okay so this is not i'm like someone i knew said this you're like yeah everyone
00:36:48.580 says it no no I've I've heard that through the years yeah I don't have that at all I have like
00:36:53.200 me neither I have fantasies of I always assume that that's when I'll go and it's so like cheap
00:37:00.000 because it's like that's when I'll go spiritual that's when I'll become an absolute like
00:37:03.920 meditative master you know and it's like I'll finally relax yeah I mean well you know I feel
00:37:11.280 like that's when all possible remedy to finally relax exhausted so with it goes grief okay this
00:37:16.040 is a huge idea for me I guess it's like Aristotle it's huge it's huge okay and and say it again
00:37:23.960 when all possible remedy is exhausted so with it goes grief yeah so no I've heard that I just have
00:37:30.540 it's like and I don't have it exactly right but the point is there and it's like it's like you
00:37:35.660 know hell is when you still think you could do something oh my god like my cousin um Jack had
00:37:42.120 this thing about when we were, when our, uh, grandfather was in hospice and talking about
00:37:48.820 the kind of like, um, the relief or the vibe at the, in hospice care, right. And palliative care,
00:37:55.220 whatever. Um, that there's a piece there because there's none of the, what's the prognosis doc
00:38:03.240 energy. Death is guaranteed. And just sort of like, I don't know. It just, it always made me
00:38:11.600 laugh also i think it's funny to say that they um something about the roach motel you know the
00:38:17.020 roach motel the roach motel is like a term for a certain set of roach traps which i always thought
00:38:26.020 because and they say that the tagline was they check in but they don't check out also true of
00:38:31.680 hospice okay life but yeah i thought for years i assumed those roach motels were actually big
00:38:42.500 enough structures that a roach could fully climb in and not leave and i don't believe that's
00:38:47.440 actually how they well that's what it sounds like they just poison i think and they carry
00:38:51.900 it back to the others oh my god it's really disturbing doesn't can't you imagine human
00:38:57.100 life without anything smaller than us basically would be a lot more dignified the fact there's
00:39:03.740 life on every level is disgusting there's also sadness well i i had that happen i was doing i was
00:39:09.800 doing a guided meditation and it was like go to your favorite place in nature and i was like
00:39:13.740 couldn't find one my favorite place in nature like i started to panic yeah and then i was like and
00:39:18.140 this is the and i was because this is the question right go to your favorite place in nature i'm like
00:39:22.720 i start to panic about choosing the right place it's this no it's that it's the redwoods it's
00:39:28.960 the ocean it's the like and then i'm like well is this it because is this my favorite place and that
00:39:33.940 is um also the thing of like what would you do at the end of your life if you could you know
00:39:38.340 go to the beach try heroin what i would do at the end of my life or that hypothetical issue for me
00:39:42.760 is just constantly cycling through what should i do what should i do and i'd want a cross-reference
00:39:47.600 dinner no no absolutely no you're it's actually very easy it'd be a dinner party god it'd be
00:39:53.320 heaven waiting for the thing and just being um dinner party with a with a highly curated group
00:40:00.560 well of course no one i don't know obsessiveness about who you're leaving out um or rather what i
00:40:07.100 mean is like them you gotta invite them if you invite them you gotta invite them yeah
00:40:10.300 yeah exactly like and you I just it's very easy to see you in sort of a um end times 1.00
00:40:17.860 situation like being fucking hard ass and being like like it's so easy like you have a hard ass 0.99
00:40:25.340 in you that's like they're not coming well you know like I have this like thing I shouldn't be 1.00
00:40:33.020 delighted it's just the delight at being seen not that I'm proud of that quality yes well like 0.93
00:40:36.980 well like no no it's hysterical like i love when you're a hard ass you know play the hogs game i
00:40:42.920 always bring up it's not about me not bragging about some accolade some comedy accolade you're 0.76
00:40:47.240 like why have i seen nothing on instagram you got to play the hogs game that part of you is delightful
00:40:53.560 i sometimes lie around thinking about how the word toxic comes out of your mouth in this way
00:40:58.860 that's like i don't know if it's california it's like toxins talk it's like the widest
00:41:05.280 pronunciation of toxins and i feel like it's it's a it's representative of almost like california's
00:41:12.200 fear of toxins like it's like there's such a understanding that toxins are a thing and we
00:41:17.540 have to watch out for them that it's like your mouth is as wide as it could possibly be open
00:41:21.260 just because it's a blunt truth toxin yeah yeah i'm obsessed with the shape of words
00:41:27.820 oh i wrote down cater waiters seen by you did this come up oh i was talking about it with a
00:41:34.180 friend that's what it was about um the stress of eating um you know like the cocktail hour
00:41:40.160 at an event and the food floating by on trays and and forging intimate connections with the
00:41:48.920 with the people passing the food well that's that's amazing i mean i and i and oh i can't
00:41:55.700 get enough of these i mean i always fall into that i always fall into the trap of of i'm gonna
00:42:00.820 take two oh and are you like all right you know or i see or yes making eyes i'm not one of them
00:42:06.740 like i was at it i'm not one of them i was at a very fancy wedding and there were past
00:42:12.820 hors d'oeuvres and i felt the need to you know connect with the with the um the i i felt the
00:42:20.980 need to be like particularly because it's this added uncomfortable like there's this added
00:42:26.340 deeply uncomfortable element if everyone's unmasked except people passing around the food
00:42:31.300 right oh right so which is very um and then feels like dystopian hunger games oh yeah they must be
00:42:41.700 masked so deeply disturbing and like oh finally we can all just relax we don't have to see the
00:42:47.860 full face they can finally just be reduced to pure service transfer just so it's a pure automation of
00:42:54.820 hors d'oeuvre um that's so funny of the hors d'oeuvre you know it's like deeply haunting so
00:43:00.020 i went overboard clowning and being like like hey what's your name i'm gonna fall back to the
00:43:04.180 kitchen i mean yeah yeah yeah like like a patronizing level of interest in them yes
00:43:10.820 exactly it it doubles it becomes more offensive it's more embarrassing you know like tell me
00:43:16.720 about your dreams do you have kids yeah and it's like it's like actually they just would rather
00:43:20.880 perhaps get the job done in this scenario like like it's as though your interest is so valuable
00:43:27.200 that to casually it presupposes it's disgusting um and i fall prey but also hey i just like people
00:43:36.800 i like yakking them up oh my god well yeah trying to sort of
00:43:41.820 pillsbury doughboy them you know like they poke the belly and the pillsbury doughboy makes that
00:43:47.760 like sound and it's it's yeah who's doing that are they the the doughboy the person that you're
00:43:54.200 trying to yuck up the person that you're trying to break through to get the the feel the connection
00:43:59.120 with or whatever but wait i want to think more about oh yeah no i was just going to talk about
00:44:05.260 our nerves nothing i just think i was thinking about being broken through trying to break
00:44:09.700 through i actually recently had somebody that i couldn't break through um it's a cashier at
00:44:15.200 and it was so subtle. Yes. Did you keep going? I, I gave a little something, nothing. I went,
00:44:24.200 okay. I gave a little something more there. There was like, I'm not kidding. It felt karmic. It
00:44:29.560 felt past life. There was immediately this thing of like you and I like this. And it's something
00:44:35.020 I don't feel often. It felt very unfamiliar and it felt very jarring. I was like, oh, this is
00:44:39.600 historical we have historical beef right and then this woman comes floating behind me and says to 1.00
00:44:47.080 this cashier hi my love how'd you feel about her what and then my cashier i was like get the fuck 0.96
00:44:54.000 i'm working here lady i'm trying to get this trying to flip this guy hysterical hi my love 0.95
00:45:00.300 and then they start having their little banter and he's like i love your jacket and she's like
00:45:04.400 It's Drees.
00:45:05.540 No, it's Drees Van Noten.
00:45:07.440 Yeah, it's Drees.
00:45:08.700 Uh-huh. 0.99
00:45:09.360 And I'm sitting there, like, I'm standing there flayed out like a shrimp that's been
00:45:16.060 deveined before it's gone.
00:45:17.720 Right, desperately trying to appeal and appease to the mouth of the receiver.
00:45:23.160 Let me devein myself for you.
00:45:24.820 Let me dip myself in cocktail sauce to make it easier for you to accept me.
00:45:30.880 And I had to get out.
00:45:32.140 I had to get out.
00:45:32.820 but wait i think this is something that you said to me that what's the belief i forgot whose idea
00:45:38.500 it is but that it's like a reincarnation thing or something thing about how everyone that you
00:45:45.080 ever meet like you've only ever met them or something like everyone that you encounter in
00:45:50.420 your life like there is no one do what i'm saying is this something like well it sounds we all you
00:45:57.720 like like early like in neanderthals only knew like 12 people like like it was like maximum 12
00:46:03.960 people you would you would ever encounter in your life which is a unbelievable idea
00:46:07.860 like like like we're sort of meant perhaps to roam in these very small humans right are highly
00:46:16.260 what's the word what's the more elevated word than click yeah yeah like humans are intensely
00:46:23.540 um oh my god how did language form that's when i start losing well how did language form been the
00:46:30.300 question since childhood okay because i always picture and i have a location for this in my mind
00:46:34.960 so like as a kid so this obsession with like words it's like as a kid what this took the form of is i
00:46:41.080 always imagined and i guess because i was having this thought in my bedroom then it took this image
00:46:46.700 took place in my hallway because that's still where i go in my mind the hallway of my house
00:46:50.640 growing up is where I picture this meeting of people like like almost like but not having words
00:46:56.100 but being like okay we got to get some words okay and and what would be like the first ones that and
00:47:01.300 how would they get there without any words that's so so so it's like you have to start with something
00:47:06.280 like if there was no language you know what's the first concept what's the first like division is it
00:47:13.300 is it i you know sorry is it is it i and you do you know i'm saying like i know i versus you like
00:47:21.860 is it is the first word no i know boober yes i think so but then who did i who who told me this
00:47:29.960 like the first poetry who's like the first there's like a poet who's a woman who's like the first
00:47:36.200 one to say i oh seems too good to be true you mean the first one in poetry to say the first
00:47:42.260 reference to i in in poetry or potentially maybe it extends beyond poetry and just means like
00:47:49.580 the rest of us that birthed yeah entire civilization of i well that's the you know
00:47:58.340 the martin buber i thou that's what i started to say i said buber and then i was like wait 0.92
00:48:03.520 is it buber is it heschel shit i even heard you no it's buber okay i said buber and then and then 0.97
00:48:08.920 I wasn't yeah that's the eye that one I would kill to go back to college with you we could do it we 0.99
00:48:15.680 could take one of those great courses together I really want you I I demand I I need the rigor I 0.87
00:48:22.960 enough is a fucking enough I can't do this anymore well what you're doing what it's like is and
00:48:28.580 sometimes the only way to I can't it's the opposite of the thing of okay I'm gonna try to just 0.97
00:48:35.260 live perfectly. It's like, let me drive myself into the hell. Like, okay, I'm going to eat
00:48:39.900 seven jars of peanut butter so that I could finally be free of peanut butter. Like I'm
00:48:43.580 going to make myself sick on peanut butter. And then what I find is that it doesn't actually
00:48:48.040 happen. Like maybe you're sick of it for like a day, but she comes back ready to go pretty quick.
00:48:54.700 Well, I've done that with social media when I'm avoiding work or something. And so I go,
00:48:58.880 I'm scrolling. I go five more minutes and then I go, you know what? Fuck it. Go for it. You hog.
00:49:03.780 go drink drink the poisonous well go as though it'll force you out and i go okay 0.94
00:49:09.940 and i'm in it and i go great i feel like years can pass though like like with these these peanut
00:49:16.740 butter dreams okay where it's like where i'm where i'm in the phase of let's make myself sick
00:49:23.280 of peanut butter you know i'm i'm doing that for um i remember this thing i can't remember where
00:49:27.300 this is from if it was just someone's story or i read it or whatever but it was oh i think i know
00:49:31.540 I think it was a friend's dad caught smoke the whole pack better no I know that one the force
00:49:38.160 to smoke the whole pack eat them I think they had to soak them in water and then eat them I
00:49:42.440 actually think I'm combining two stories no but I feel like even that like every time I've smoked
00:49:49.140 a cigarette like you know after years of not smoking one I have one and it's like it's like
00:49:54.760 sort of horrible but then like you could push through in one second it's just the promise of
00:50:00.380 rock bottom and and thinking you're at rock bottom on a on a given thing and not being there
00:50:05.980 is like you know hell like I just it's like I don't believe that I'll bounce back up as high
00:50:11.440 unless I've gone super low like you know you have to like if I if I'm a ball if I bounce myself if
00:50:18.140 I throw myself the ground really hard I'll bounce back up higher no there's something there is an
00:50:23.960 undeniable truth in there but then but but but then you've come flying up and it's too it's too
00:50:32.900 like forceful you go back down with the same force you know steady steady steady cumulative
00:50:42.060 you know growth is really hard for me to believe and me too i don't fucking buy it but i know it's
00:50:50.720 I know it's it's real and I've like I've you know what I've fallen I'm sorry but I've fallen off
00:50:56.800 athletic greens why greed okay I'm furious I'm resentful my eyes I feel like I just had this
00:51:03.860 reaction okay I'm I'm well I just I just became no my greed was not about like you fell off exactly
00:51:11.760 but like like the extent to which we've pushed them I'm like confused why I've run out and no
00:51:18.100 more has appeared at the door and i say that right i say that because you know who has been amazing
00:51:24.040 and i want to say austin river riders but their name is ranch rider spirit or no
00:51:29.260 yeah austin ranch rider spirits okay they have just consistently with every mention been like
00:51:35.120 let me send some more okay they're always ready to send more hoping that a pallet will arrive if i
00:51:41.060 i'm gonna look but but i just i appreciate that i appreciate not being shamed into you know so
00:51:47.060 anyway I'm like however at the same time a big principle of mine that I stand by strongly is
00:51:52.900 that you don't do something for someone and then after the fact get to act like um they owe you
00:51:59.860 like that is absolutely not fair of course I cannot stand someone doing the dishes you know
00:52:05.440 before you arrive in the room and acting like you don't do the dishes when they just you know
00:52:11.180 flew forward and and did it like when you would have been willing you know I'm saying
00:52:16.820 And I really don't like, like one time someone offered to, I would go to this shop with these crystals like, like every day for a while, weekly, because my therapist at the time was nearby. And so it became part of the ritual. They had a wonderful crystal sort of bar. And, you know, I would look at the crystals and read metaphysical books, whatever. And sort of that was before and after the therapy.
00:52:40.120 and i got really into it and i was really into the stone the moldavite one right that you love
00:52:47.320 moldavite yeah because like all the crystal books they were like and the things they're like moldavite
00:52:51.900 like this one girl was like that's the silvery one right i can't even hold no it's green it's
00:52:56.320 like bottled glass green apologies yeah and i got one for my cousin once i told her to get it and
00:53:02.960 then someone threw it out they thought it was a dried up raisin okay but if you hold it up to the
00:53:08.080 light you could see the green anyway so i was really into it because i had a couple things
00:53:12.540 um like this one guy who i think was who was on tv shows where he was hunting for ghosts and stuff
00:53:20.680 he was like yeah i held a piece of moldavite and like every energy in my body stood up okay
00:53:26.420 and then this other girl said she couldn't um she couldn't hold moldavite without throwing up
00:53:32.520 like it was so powerful i know it's hysterical right i love it yeah i love it too someone
00:53:37.860 there offered to drill a little hole in it for me so I could put it on a chain and this was
00:53:45.880 someone who worked there and they just offered it like like a friend like oh look I drilled a hole
00:53:50.680 in mine you know you know I can do it for you I have the right drill at home whatever and you know
00:53:56.820 and I was like really you know like you know when you do like that kind of thing like really are you
00:54:01.120 sure like I mean that'd be great but you know no pressure to do it kind of thing and they insist
00:54:07.360 in this way that to me makes it clear that they're doing it for free other than the cost of goods so
00:54:13.020 then she's like I could include a copper chain okay and I'm like yes and I'd be happy to pay
00:54:18.600 for that obviously like you know what I mean like if you're gonna want to put it on the chain
00:54:23.580 yourself and then she appears one week and she's like I did it I had bought the moldavite myself
00:54:29.680 you know and she gives it to me and then she's like I asked myself I looked into my heart and
00:54:34.520 said, what, what does this cost? And I'm thinking, you know, $150. No. Yeah. And, uh,
00:54:45.940 and what, it really annoyed me because the cost of the Moldavite. So just for the labor and the
00:54:54.440 chain. Yes. I bought the Moldavite like from the store separately. She wasn't the owner of the
00:55:00.340 store she was just like a pal essentially you know because i would go in there all the time
00:55:05.280 and no you have to talk up front about cost always and and if that's why you have to be
00:55:11.980 if you think you're getting something for free always and you've seen this with me like you
00:55:17.000 have to be goddamn explicit and really check yeah because yeah i was like willing to accept i'll pay
00:55:23.260 for the copper chain like so it's like very clear that's what i'm saying i'll pay for and then she 0.87
00:55:28.000 started saying like well you know it was harder to drill than i thought it was gonna be okay and
00:55:33.780 it's like that's why you used to have a cost up front and you ask for half up front and do a
00:55:38.300 check-in in the middle like if this is a or you say i'm not sure exactly how much but it's probably
00:55:42.820 going to be you know at least this or in the ballpark of that yeah there was there was it
00:55:46.440 was absolutely pitched as a what did you do what the hell did you do you know i i'm trying to
00:55:52.860 remember in that moment you either you either emotionless go okay i know it's interesting
00:55:59.960 because oh well one i mean one i would have never have done it if she said if you want to give me
00:56:09.060 150 you know or or if you want to for for a for a cost i'd be happy to donate to the charity of
00:56:15.560 your choice i never would have made that choice obviously and you know i don't know some people
00:56:20.620 my, so I, I definitely didn't just pay because I really, it was dead clear. It was like, in my
00:56:27.380 opinion, the moment she realized it was harder work than she anticipated, right. To do this thing
00:56:33.040 for free, you know, that she offered to do as a favor, essentially that moment is the moment where
00:56:39.480 you stop and you reach out, you email me or whatever. And you say, I realized this is actually
00:56:44.840 going to be more work than, you know, than I thought. So if you want me to continue and go
00:56:50.160 ahead with it I do it but I have to be paid for it or something right and I could then decide you 0.93
00:56:55.940 know and if I sound like the asshole it's because I go hard with this stuff I get very literal um 0.93
00:57:02.360 you know about how business should be conducted because I have to go there to offset this guilt 0.92
00:57:09.240 and feeling like I did something wrong I'm I mean really it's really hard because it's really hard
00:57:15.780 um so wait so so you don't think so I think I and that's why I'm like hesitating to say it 0.68
00:57:22.960 because I'm worried like people think I'm an asshole but I think I was like I was like 0.52
00:57:26.740 you know I I thought you were doing this for free um if you realized it was going to be more work 0.94
00:57:32.640 and you didn't want to do it for free you know I would have expected you to let me know that so I
00:57:37.340 could decide whether or not I wanted to pay you for this labor it's tough and then you and then
00:57:41.680 And I feel like that's kind of when the going to that store ended for me.
00:57:46.000 Yeah, no, you can never return.
00:57:47.840 You absolutely can never return.
00:57:49.440 Commerce and then being banned from certain places.
00:57:52.660 A dear friend of mine talks about how he forges a relationship with the person selling granola
00:57:58.400 at his local farmer's market.
00:58:00.520 And they started chatting and it became a thing where they're granola and he bought
00:58:03.840 their granola and it was delicious.
00:58:04.960 And the next week, oh my God, the granola is amazing.
00:58:06.720 He buys it again.
00:58:07.740 he was happy he felt obliged that every sunday he had to buy it because they had this little
00:58:13.860 friendship going and then he started to truly be like i'm gaining weight he was like i can't
00:58:19.340 be eating this granola every day and so he was like i have to stop and he was so overwhelmed
00:58:25.960 how to do it terrified to walk by how do you walk by the granola stand and making that first moment
00:58:32.460 that i think he just stopped going to the farmer's market it was so funny because it's like oh so it
00:58:36.520 was a farmer's market and that was a single stand okay that's really loaded like i struggle with at
00:58:41.740 the farmer's market because when you run past like i forged a connection with a green with a
00:58:46.300 with a bitter greens woman and i and everyone goes she's tough good luck try cracking her
00:58:52.880 and i what i wore her down that is and then hysterical and i got i got the laugh i got the 0.56
00:58:59.740 smile next thing i know the ice queen is mine oh my god and then covet hit i did all that work and
00:59:06.100 remember you because if you're a blocker yeah i mean i should pray you don't forget 0.97
00:59:12.220 yeah you don't forget holy shit there's that flame like literal oh there's a fire that burned 0.98
00:59:19.600 me down once dying for it again i can't move past a cart that i've glanced at the goods without 0.93
00:59:28.300 performing on my face that i appreciated understood and will definitely be coming back for
00:59:33.260 but for whatever context today they're not right for me and that's it's just exhausting so then it
00:59:38.780 ends up being it's so much work it's a huge theater i mean that's why people go to the
00:59:43.420 farmer's market is for theater yeah no truly to perform i mean it is the only public theater we
00:59:49.020 have left um okay we have to wrap up um are you joking i feel like we just got started i know
00:59:57.160 um we do have a special little thing this week which we have um john early has sent in a voice
01:00:04.180 memo that we will play in regard to the meyer lemon marmalade slippery slope here slippery
01:00:11.720 slope here if if uh if you know if we start letting him offer contradictions via messages
01:00:19.380 that get to go at the end then i'm gonna do it too you know you think i don't listen to our
01:00:23.920 episodes and and want to make corrections you know but he's very reasonable stay tuned at the end for
01:00:29.120 stay tuned at the end for a special message from john it's new year's eve tonight i can't believe
01:00:34.720 it do you believe in um even if you don't have any due to omicron i will be um doing essentially
01:00:40.900 nothing um do you believe in getting dressed up oh yeah i i love i love i love that there's
01:00:49.320 even less pressure than usual and i've ordered some ingredients to make a classic seven layer
01:00:56.560 dip um i'll be substituting ground beef for the beans even though the beans are probably my favorite 0.98
01:01:02.160 part just because i don't know you know i'm gonna make a cake and then i ordered in oh shit i wonder 0.93
01:01:10.160 if they arrived i ordered in more ranch rider from michael oh it says it's out for delivery 0.95
01:01:15.180 Oh, order complete.
01:01:17.360 Okay.
01:01:18.080 From where?
01:01:18.680 From like a wine store that happens to stock.
01:01:21.380 I got tequila paloma, reposada, tequila, jalapeno, ranch, hard sparkling water.
01:01:27.600 Yeah.
01:01:27.960 Ranch rider, ranch water.
01:01:29.020 No, the call is officially out to hard seltzer companies, so let's be clear.
01:01:34.560 I just want to hit on a few New Year's things really quick, if that's all right.
01:01:37.700 Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
01:01:38.960 Which are, much like we said last year at this time, which by the way, can you believe it?
01:01:42.780 i can't we now at a place where we can refer to last year last year's up i know because remember
01:01:47.900 we had an ep about like resolutions and you know not not doing it not doing them not i think it's
01:01:53.780 one of my favorite episodes yeah this morning i thought about that i was like laying awake staring
01:01:59.160 caressing my pillow refusing to look at my phone trying to be like what if i just notice this 0.97
01:02:04.720 pillow and notice the folds in the fabric and um i was thinking no reservations i mean fuck i was 0.98
01:02:10.580 thinking no resolutions. Yeah, no, I, I, I will not drive myself up. I mean, I, I experience every 0.98
01:02:16.200 day in that way, you know? So for me to just treat, for me to suddenly be forced into the
01:02:22.860 fresh notebook page of a new year and feel that pressure of like, don't ruin the notebook,
01:02:27.600 but it's the year with ugly handwriting. Oh, I just started tearing through a, a precious
01:02:33.820 notebook that I've been like, Oh, I can't write in that one. I just started writing in and I
01:02:38.200 started being like fuck it and even like a few lines and I go guess what I'm turning the page 0.98
01:02:42.400 I don't need to be so diligent about filling every you know every inch absolutely not and um 0.99
01:02:48.860 you know it's it's like yeah to take I just I can smell the sunburst whatever raspberry from
01:02:55.180 Bath and Body Works the shower gel from the 90s that like me and my friends got and like
01:03:00.240 you know I'm that and she didn't use it because she was afraid of it running out
01:03:04.860 and it's like no take that bottle open the little cap you know flip it turn it over your head don't
01:03:10.640 squeeze yeah oh that and that's what i'm learning to do i think about you with my hoarding of
01:03:16.260 with my fear well it becomes that thing of like it's not inherently wasteful if it's um the way
01:03:22.820 you want to enjoy it you know but anyway we sail into a new year and i refuse we say i refuse to
01:03:30.160 treat it as a new as the fresh page of a new journal my life is a very very long and thick
01:03:34.520 journal no just another day god bless you for saying that i feel the same thank you for giving
01:03:41.860 language to that which i could not articulate love you i love you um happy new year hags see
01:03:47.720 you soon i need to start again all right talk to you later talk to you at midnight
01:03:53.180 absolutely love you bye this is a voice memo that is to be played on the next episode of poog
01:04:02.200 um I have not heard the episode in which my Meyer lemon marmalade was mentioned
01:04:08.340 um but I have inquired and I found out that it was not acknowledged that the Meyer lemons
01:04:15.500 themselves came from my Meyer lemon dwarf tree in my own yard and I've also heard that there
01:04:22.480 was um suspicion about whether or not the jars were shelf safe and they were properly canned
01:04:29.240 in boiling hot water.
01:04:31.020 The seals became concave
01:04:32.660 and I did a canning.
01:04:35.720 I did the test
01:04:36.920 where you lift up the seal
01:04:38.940 with your fingers.
01:04:40.280 Every single jar passed the test.
01:04:42.140 Yeah, if you haven't opened yours yet,
01:04:43.600 it can stay on the shelf for a year.
01:04:45.200 It should preferably be stored
01:04:47.020 at room temperature in a dark place.
01:04:50.780 Also, it's Dermalogica,
01:04:52.300 not Dermatologica. 0.97
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