Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Kitten At Your Side

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00:01:34.820 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.280 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:37.320 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:42.000 Two untamable intellects.

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00:01:48.980 Today's topic, loosely speaking, Spa Day, Sciatica, Russo.

00:01:55.300 the amount of texts i got from people asking about the martini stuff like the 50 50 like

00:02:02.740 people love recipes oh my god like food options so so first of all okay hey hi first of all good

00:02:10.340 morning first of all looking at notes we both have notes we're so afraid yeah we both have

00:02:14.580 notes this is crazy because there's a couple things that i wanted to i just wrote down new

00:02:19.280 barn because i'm having a cold brew right now and i poured in new barn coconut milk which i hadn't

00:02:24.180 tried new barn it's a new kind of barn it's a yeah it's a new barn barn full of coconuts they do

00:02:29.620 but you know a lot of um just like additive free nut milks and and and this morning like it's hard

00:02:37.060 because i was going whenever you go from whole milk or half and half to like an additive free

00:02:42.720 almond milk you're like plunged into like suicidal tendencies instantly because it's so and i had this

00:02:48.560 this morning i had this moment interruption but i am just it's time i can't get into it any other

00:02:52.560 way I'm sorry okay I need my lip balm and it's it's in the ziploc that has no zipper and cannot

00:02:56.880 be entered okay I've been a week without my things all right go on you're ripping through like an

00:03:01.360 animal into the ziploc this morning there was like this moment where I had the coffee and I

00:03:06.480 poured in the milk and I was there was some devastation there and I was like I'll get used

00:03:10.320 to it but I tried today the new coconut milk one of theirs it's great that's all I had to say it

00:03:15.680 was okay and it was rich it was richer yeah it wasn't as it's not like a you know did it taste

00:03:19.860 coconutty yeah which is fine yeah i love coconut flavor but really at all costs any context near

00:03:26.240 coffee yeah like kind of coconut that's interesting i love i i know not i don't want it every day

00:03:34.200 the first time i had almond milk my mind was blown i'll admit unsweetened the fact that

00:03:38.840 unsweetened almond milk tastes that sweet oh yeah that the nut the nut remains the nut adds flavor

00:03:43.780 but well in that case yeah and i also wanted to say just getting this out of the way a little

00:03:50.760 product corner up top let's hear it yeah so i've been talking about a search for a foundation

00:03:56.540 and i found it yes i found her oh wow i have to say that ilia i'm ready didn't did you break this

00:04:09.160 news last week am i insane did i i don't know maybe you didn't maybe just broke it to me which

00:04:14.100 is totally fine i just wanted to know if maybe i broke it to you privately well i'm actually fine

00:04:19.340 to break it twice all right tell me so absolutely to be clear ilia makes uh it's they call it i

00:04:25.580 believe an spf serum it's spf 40 it's tinted damn and i have to say a lot of um color options too

00:04:34.660 like a lot of shade options when i went into the sephora and had to you know get away from me no i

00:04:40.900 don't need help this is private you know what to them yeah of course just browsing it out but then

00:04:48.020 i did like run up to them like mother you know and i was like is this my shade yeah anyway i uh

00:04:52.880 i found my shade and i have to say how'd you find your shade was it just the assessment of

00:04:57.500 of a random and you know or was it just simply someone who works at sephora yeah well i had i

00:05:03.960 had an inkling and they were like it's this one yeah so i tried it on my face anyway the point is

00:05:08.660 i love it it looks like skin are you wearing it right now it feels like skin no you know what

00:05:14.940 i'm doing i love it so much that i'm going through my old tinted sunscreens to like get them out of

00:05:20.660 the way like right now my old it's actually kind of sad i have this emotional my old my chile right

00:05:25.980 i forgot how to say it your old what your old what the tinted sunscreen that i was loving chile

00:05:32.780 which is like $20. How's it spelled? C-H-E-L-L-E. It's like S-B-F-50. And I still, I'm like, sure,

00:05:40.260 but I have it on right now. And I'm like, now it's, now that's been downgraded to like my trash. 0.88

00:05:45.080 It's, it's, um, what's it called? It's a dead man walking. Yeah, exactly. And it knows it. Yeah. 0.95

00:05:49.480 Cause I'm using it and we have this relationship now. I'm like, get out. Cause I'm after this,

00:05:54.960 I'm going to force myself to go on a walk and you're using it. So I'm like,

00:05:57.900 with abandon. I'm doing it. Yeah. You're using it with abandon. I'm using it with abandon.

00:06:00.840 the ilia good practice for you actually i was thinking about you this morning uh-huh i was

00:06:05.820 thinking about you this morning because i'm back on the biologique recherche oh this is hot news

00:06:10.460 so the p50 1970 oh this is hot news all right we have a lot to say about this actually it unfold

00:06:16.600 and some of it unfolded live at the cl spot where we were gloriously gifted massage massages and

00:06:23.400 facials the facials we're going to get next week we're so in two weeks we're so excited

00:06:26.820 they really treated us well

00:06:28.340 I want to say

00:06:29.280 we're going to talk all about that

00:06:31.780 but I will say

00:06:34.260 so

00:06:35.800 the P50 1970

00:06:37.960 so everyone I think I've mentioned

00:06:40.660 on the pod I went off of it suddenly

00:06:42.680 with abandon and my skin changed

00:06:44.620 and I'm back and it feels so good

00:06:46.780 to be back and there's the horror because of course

00:06:48.640 the skin does look amazing

00:06:49.720 well I can't get a drop for free so there's this

00:06:52.620 devastation of just

00:06:53.660 anyway I made a fatal error

00:06:56.740 we've never gotten a drop for free to be clear never gotten a drop for free they won't do it

00:07:01.440 because they know it's too good they go from every direction stern caved and god bless them

00:07:06.860 for it yeah stern caved but and i want to say another thing the barbra stern cleanser foaming

00:07:12.080 cleanser completely obsessed with it i love it and i will be purchasing my own cleanser wow i'm

00:07:17.760 really into it for cape berlant to reach into her own pocket and you know what also in his pocket

00:07:22.320 full of cobwebs you know what i've been doing the everyday oil which we talked about it's really

00:07:27.740 beautiful smells great huge pump all you can use it anywhere i've been using that to take off my

00:07:33.080 makeup and then i do the the stern foam cleanser and i'm clean it's a double cleanser and i'm clean

00:07:38.400 and then i put the everyday oil on my neck at night it's kind of a wind down ritual

00:07:42.660 oh fuck okay but i but uh but it really it's really working just so i sort of relax at the 0.89

00:07:53.140 end of the day it's me time and he says and i said yeah no honey go to bed i'm gonna sit in 0.98

00:08:01.400 the kitchen chair alone i know always alone uh i've been thinking about using it through

00:08:08.740 for casual massage go on go on i know that i'm flying off the rails today but listen please so

00:08:13.480 i so i purchased what i thought was the p50 1970 it comes in the box i ordered simply the p50

00:08:19.460 which is a less uh exfoliating less intense version and i thought well well let's let's

00:08:27.600 look into this for a second because this is what came up at cl spa talking to amanda at the front

00:08:32.300 at the front desk who was fantastic um so i had done some reading about br products knowing that

00:08:38.420 i was going in because when i was at the lote hotel in seattle probably one of my favorite

00:08:43.840 hotels um i went down descended into the spa via the elevator always an interesting way to enter 1.00

00:08:50.300 a spa always keep it down in the basement women's work away from that you know yeah how do we corner 1.00

00:08:55.180 so how women go and get yeah yeah never seen it in the penthouse i'll tell you that much 1.00

00:08:59.240 nary a window in the spa windowless chamber airless yeah windowless just sealed um why don't

00:09:08.620 you just do it why don't you just hold us put a spa in a ziplock bag i say okay this is where

00:09:12.820 it becomes revealed that we've been sponsored by ziplock the whole time all right so um i descended

00:09:21.200 um into the spa and i was very excited because it was a vr spa okay hard to come by it was or it

00:09:28.340 was a spa that used br products you know there was some stern there too a lot of places you see

00:09:33.040 both actually see how we did as well this is becoming an advertisement for low taste spa but

00:09:36.520 we'll get away from that in a second so i descend i said i just want to alert you i do have you know

00:09:41.880 nut allergy i've never had a profound skin you know based reaction but i don't think it's going

00:09:46.600 to help you know i've definitely gotten like touching game pieces monopoly game pieces that

00:09:52.560 have been touched by those digging into the nut bowl and then seen my hand get red and whatever

00:09:57.300 oh my god yeah so obviously i don't want that in a spot and i could just see myself feeling the

00:10:02.140 tingles seeing the redness and thinking like it's one of the products working you know meanwhile

00:10:06.940 just absolute histaminic inflammation so i tell her and then i i almost feel regret because she

00:10:14.740 rightfully takes it seriously and says you know it's so many of the br products yeah use use not 0.98

00:10:21.300 that i risk it i think we'll just use whatever else i have lying around yeah yeah yeah oh shit 0.97

00:10:27.100 And so then you go, great, here comes, you know, 0.99

00:10:30.160 here comes the Lubriderm right on the face. 0.99

00:10:32.080 But luckily, Avino's here. 1.00

00:10:34.300 I'm such a bitch. 1.00

00:10:35.200 Okay. 1.00

00:10:36.680 I know.

00:10:37.380 Because Avino's even done, luckily, Avino's done some good work, I think.

00:10:41.460 I really actually don't want to disparage Avino.

00:10:43.520 So.

00:10:44.440 No, they've done some very important work.

00:10:46.240 And so I went Lubriderm just because, of course, 0.96

00:10:49.820 Lubriderm on the face would be ridiculous. 0.90

00:10:51.620 So I didn't even think I was insulting them. 0.97

00:10:53.240 The Lubriderm pump, I think we've discussed, is like burned into a mate.

00:10:56.080 It's like mother.

00:10:56.580 it's like burned into my memory yeah my mother yeah 93 the alligator the way my mother moisturizes

00:11:02.560 i'll never live up to it okay but yeah dragging your dragging the palm up and down a shin i know

00:11:10.480 the foot then like sort of emulsifying around the foot so so you so you didn't receive due to the

00:11:17.760 nut i descend so i received so then now i'm going okay the reason i came here you know whatever it's

00:11:23.080 like the time i went to a salon because i was told they cut curls dry yeah um and i was like

00:11:28.680 okay that makes sense to me like you're going with your curly and they work work them dry

00:11:32.200 and then i go and she starts blowing out my hair sticks straight to cut it we've talked about this

00:11:36.140 that happened to me once yeah it was just hell and i was like wait i thought and she's like well

00:11:40.220 no i know how to cut it psychotic to blow dry and then cut is absolutely worst haircut of my life

00:11:44.200 they did that sorry okay wait so i'm i promise we're coming back i know i know you're safe okay

00:11:51.140 thank you okay we're coming right back okay so to p50 is the frame here all right but as you just

00:11:57.560 so i did that whatever so then in advance of us going to cl spa and knowing that we're going to

00:12:01.400 probably be using biologique research products at cl spa very excited started doing research online

00:12:05.480 even started a note in the notes app okay where you know you you do for just a sort of casual

00:12:10.660 thing my notes start a note in there i start dropping the chaos of my notes app it's like

00:12:15.060 dreams grocery lists like like a fragment of like a of like a revolutionary thought i think

00:12:21.440 is going to change my life forever and then like a movie recommendation a book recommendation

00:12:25.540 and then like yams and then kkk jjj kkk jj like yeah and then chaos for me you know you sat on it

00:12:32.960 you know what i mean like yeah it's absolute chaos housed in sort of childlike mac childlike

00:12:38.960 mac framing that's like so not business you know what i mean that you just go great okay sorry so

00:12:44.800 So I'm heading into B and I'm like,

00:12:47.000 I won't have this happen again where I get denied all the products because

00:12:49.940 of whatever.

00:12:50.600 So I'm going to learn exactly which product and I've started compiling and

00:12:53.320 it's hard to find.

00:12:54.380 It's hard to find.

00:12:55.260 They're not free.

00:12:55.840 The ingredient list seems like,

00:12:57.020 you know,

00:12:57.260 isn't that everything?

00:12:58.240 No,

00:12:58.700 just ingredient lists online,

00:13:00.000 like in one place.

00:13:01.440 They don't want you.

00:13:02.060 They don't want you going in there.

00:13:03.300 They don't want somebody in there with their beakers,

00:13:04.880 their own,

00:13:05.900 their knockoff.

00:13:07.060 Yeah.

00:13:07.540 So I'm sort of painstakingly doing it.

00:13:10.460 Cause by the way,

00:13:10.920 the color of some of these products,

00:13:12.420 if you look at the like the the ampules whatever they're called like the biologique like yeah

00:13:17.400 droplet thing some of them are a color green that looks like it's like dye number four like

00:13:21.800 the color of the green is so really and they're naturally occurring it's like so beautiful it's

00:13:26.860 striking like blue tansy like i saw one at the spa that was a color green i had only seen

00:13:31.440 you know reflected in the paintings of rousseau yeah i didn't even know rousseau painted oh yeah

00:13:38.200 Couldn't get enough

00:13:39.900 Which Rousseau am I speaking of?

00:13:44.840 Hang on

00:13:45.080 No I just thought you meant

00:13:45.820 Like the French philosopher

00:13:47.060 Who very well was probably

00:13:48.200 A renaissance man 0.99

00:13:48.940 Well there's that guy

00:13:49.840 And then there's

00:13:50.980 Who's the freak

00:13:51.720 Who um 0.97

00:13:52.320 Did like

00:13:54.000 The nature

00:13:55.080 Like the

00:13:55.760 I'm picturing

00:13:56.260 What's that classic

00:13:57.300 Painting

00:13:58.240 Yeah yeah Rousseau

00:13:59.060 French

00:14:00.300 Obviously

00:14:01.260 Yeah yeah yeah

00:14:01.960 1910

00:14:02.620 Post impressionist

00:14:03.820 Yeah

00:14:04.040 Look at my face

00:14:04.720 Henri Rousseau

00:14:05.800 I was picturing

00:14:06.600 Look I didn't 0.99

00:14:07.200 I'm the fool 0.98

00:14:07.820 Okay 0.98

00:14:08.080 I wasn't trying to, you know, you know, no, of course, you know, Rousseau.

00:14:11.020 It's like the, there's like forest images and it's always like lions peering through

00:14:14.600 them.

00:14:15.040 But what is it?

00:14:15.500 The same Rousseau as a philosopher?

00:14:19.180 No, I want to be bold and say no.

00:14:22.300 Who cares?

00:14:23.100 Okay.

00:14:23.420 All right.

00:14:24.060 No, no, no, no.

00:14:24.520 I'm sorry.

00:14:25.000 No, not the Rousseau of which you speak.

00:14:26.540 I speak of a different Rousseau.

00:14:27.880 Anyway, continue back to the, to the BR.

00:14:30.920 I guess I'm speaking of, yeah.

00:14:32.640 So.

00:14:33.440 You're thinking of someone else.

00:14:34.500 Yeah.

00:14:34.560 I think I'm Jean Jacques.

00:14:35.480 Yeah.

00:14:35.680 Yeah.

00:14:35.900 Yeah.

00:14:36.260 Yeah.

00:14:36.420 Jacques.

00:14:36.940 Yeah.

00:14:37.080 Yeah.

00:14:37.120 Yeah.

00:14:37.320 Yeah.

00:14:37.340 1712. So I do a little research and I see that on my own was that P wait, P150, P50, 1970, P50.

00:14:47.040 Okay. So I see the P50. I study online myself before we go to CL P50 and P50, 1970 P50 has

00:14:55.000 a nut based oil in it. Okay. P, P1970 doesn't like a nice, the classic, the old school one,

00:15:02.340 Classic baby. Yeah. Okay. Thank God. At least it's not, you know, I get to try that. And then

00:15:08.760 when we go in and we talked to Amanda, I think, I think it was Amanda. Someone at the spa told us

00:15:12.940 that P50-1970 is more exfoliating because of the fennel in it. Yeah. But I got the news online

00:15:21.000 that P50, the new one, that it's due to the nut oil being softening and mixing things up.

00:15:28.960 that you were concerned I purchased by accident the p50 the less intense phenol free one that

00:15:35.160 had this nut product and again this story is not too much of a thrill except for the fact that I

00:15:41.640 was came home partially devastated with my p50 and I went you know what let's give it a let's

00:15:46.460 give it a go to the p50 1970 all the products have a really intense smell typically and the

00:15:51.880 1970 smells like something you'd put in a car like it just smells very intense um scientifically

00:15:59.880 exfoliating anyway i start putting on the p50 and 1970 gives you a little tingle gives you a little

00:16:07.920 something feels good this starts to do that but i'm like or at first it has nothing i'm like well

00:16:12.400 typical and then i start to feel something i go hmm i start turning red folks and not in a fun way 0.55

00:16:17.980 okay I know I almost sent you a photograph I forgot somehow I developed it started to like I 0.78

00:16:25.080 this patch of redness around my cheek like it was not good for me and I started to panic no I took

00:16:33.880 it off and then I was fine okay so I cleared up in about 20 minutes but I definitely had a skin

00:16:40.000 reaction and then was the skin better than ever in that spot no no no it definitely wasn't doing

00:16:45.880 what it's supposed to do. Well, here's what I did. So we've spoken clearly of like the hell

00:16:49.600 of returns, right? Like how impossible it is to return anything. And that it's almost like

00:16:53.980 worth just keeping $25,000 worth of items that you can't bring yourself to return. Like it's just too

00:17:00.280 returning is impossible. I don't know if I've ever made a successful return in my life.

00:17:06.800 Yeah. And I don't, and I don't buy it. And during the pandemic, I think I spoke of,

00:17:11.660 accidentally returned a lot of merchandise to the wrong location and it was burned forever so it was

00:17:18.700 anyway they said they wouldn't accept no i got the labels mixed up somehow i sent like all these 0.72

00:17:24.580 dresses from goddamn reformation because it's so easy to return them and it was like i fell to my 0.54

00:17:28.960 knees i remember your reformation splurge and so anyway the point is rescue spa where i buy 0.96

00:17:35.120 biologique i emailed them and i was like i accidentally purchased the wrong one they're

00:17:38.100 like under no circumstance to weeks ever accept like used products for refund will give you a

00:17:42.600 one-time waiver because i've used them so much i immediately ran to the post office mailed it off

00:17:48.620 and no one to congratulate me mail to this rescue spa that's where you get it from

00:17:54.760 it's the website where you can get br oh and so i returned it and i just want to say that there's

00:18:02.120 a poo hag who dm'd the instagram recommending a local to silver lake place that sells br 0.86

00:18:06.960 oh oh oh and i'm planning on stopping by to get my 1970 because i want my goddamn 1970 0.98

00:18:13.420 and um well or now the discovery what that they sell it at cl spa now the discovery of course

00:18:22.080 where we had an incredible journey the fact that cl spa sells vr i gotta say folks and not just

00:18:27.640 because they gave us a free massage and a free facial in two weeks people are serious

00:18:31.760 Yeah, so we're right now between two visits.

00:18:34.200 They do very high-end facials.

00:18:36.900 Okay, let's talk about when we went to CL, when we get back.

00:18:41.880 We don't do that anymore.

00:18:44.000 Outro, what am I talking about?

00:18:45.200 People are smart. 0.99

00:18:45.720 They don't fucking need it. 1.00

00:18:46.480 They're not babies. 1.00

00:18:50.720 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:18:54.140 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:19:00.040 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:19:03.880 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:19:05.220 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:19:08.860 No, I am not your guru.

00:19:12.620 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:19:15.240 I lied to police.

00:19:16.520 I lied to everybody.

00:19:17.520 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:19:20.480 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:19:22.920 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:19:25.980 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:19:29.340 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:19:33.920 They have had this case for 30 years. 1.00

00:19:36.840 I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00

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00:20:25.600 So we arrive at CL Spa with a friend of ours.

00:20:28.000 and the three of us are in the kind of changing room and there's something that's amazing this

00:20:32.800 woman came in we never talked about her because there's almost nothing to say she was freshly

00:20:38.040 steamed and she was she was probably 32 oh oh a woman who is not oh we never talked about her

00:20:45.360 yeah and and i needed help because i always freeze up i almost avoid spots entirely because

00:20:50.460 of the locker locker and the code i almost avoid gyms because i can't handle the code

00:20:54.980 and it opens like all of that like like you press you press lock and the number you choose

00:21:02.900 i don't want to feel like i made a fool in public because i can't figure it out

00:21:06.780 and then i just like actually i have a couple things to say about that but go into the moment

00:21:10.900 tell your version because there was something that happened i was like oh no i don't know how

00:21:14.720 to do it and she in a very sweet way was like you did she kind of was like very much like

00:21:18.900 she reminded me of a very like los angeles like yeah maybe maybe by the way i say 32 she might

00:21:24.080 have been 26 but and i say this not to shame but she had like noticeable lip filler and these things

00:21:28.780 really you clocked that where i'm like you know kind of like distorts age yeah yeah instantly it 0.87

00:21:32.820 like distorts age in this way processed nothing anyway but she had like not a pore not a wrinkle 0.97

00:21:38.900 not a nothing and she was so i was like wow she just had a facial or something and then she helped 0.94

00:21:44.560 me and she kind of had this like la vocal fry which i like have so much tenderness to her because 0.99

00:21:49.540 reminds me so much of girls i went to high school with and then on her way out she went enjoy your 0.99

00:21:54.460 spa day oh yeah and it was like it but it was so i was like i love her your spa day ladies yeah

00:22:01.100 yeah i was like and that's grace i was like and that's what it means to love my neighbor like it

00:22:08.000 just felt i don't know it just moved me it moved me because no i get that because you know when

00:22:13.800 you're you know when you can you flash back to childhood when you're maybe you're with adults

00:22:18.480 and then there's another child in the room there's in someone else your age and it's like

00:22:21.860 this fear knowing glances this like fear and i felt this thing with her almost of like here we

00:22:28.040 are and now she's entering but we're friends we're united by the spa anyway anyway right right she

00:22:36.040 she seemed to be an intruder and then you realized she was a friend and um and not only that she was

00:22:41.540 looking she was looking out for all of us no i had a i had i had to do some personal work around

00:22:47.320 her journey okay I had to do some personal work around that interaction which we have never

00:22:52.640 discussed are you ready oh my god okay I mean I you know I tease I jest but so so in my experience

00:22:59.620 we go into the locker and I too go oh right that there's just something about programming a locker 0.70

00:23:05.580 with your own goddamn numbers okay yeah there's got to be a better way at this point you know 0.76

00:23:10.680 I just I don't know what it is I don't oh I know what it is the lock and key what do you mean 0.99

00:23:17.420 throw it in your spa pocket okay I want a coiled rubber thing oh you want a real key goes around

00:23:23.180 the wrist I prefer a key to that code situation yeah that's fair look you don't have to keep it

00:23:28.560 on I don't know maybe it's I don't know what I want I don't know what I want actually I have a

00:23:33.380 few ideas but anyway okay oh this is a fun game like create our own spa in our imagination of

00:23:39.940 everything that would be perfect so it just stops after the locker so so so okay we go in

00:23:46.960 I see the locker now now you and me in our dynamic okay you freeze up but you know it's that thing

00:23:52.940 where if you're in the wild you know the avalanche is coming down around you you're at the side of

00:23:57.680 the mountain and but you have a little kitten at your side suddenly you get to be the strong

00:24:01.780 oh my god I know I love that I bring that out for you yeah okay so with you you know I feel

00:24:08.100 you freeze up and it's like I this this it's almost masculine the night okay archetype I love

00:24:14.700 it is animated within me oh my god I love it and I'm like I I because I know that I can stay calmer

00:24:21.060 almost in the face of you know those things yeah totally right like no Kate we're capable okay

00:24:26.900 we've got this yeah we can figure out the locker yeah and so but you sort of go into that buzzing

00:24:32.640 energy I was thinking about this earlier in the day I was picturing your hands just generally like

00:24:36.480 when you're trying something okay you just go you try like your pure impulse okay like in this way

00:24:42.040 that's why you know you know many elements of your genius relate to right you go you just you

00:24:47.560 try and you go oh wait is that no and and it's like if i were trying to slow you down i was

00:24:52.400 watching this like rescue 9-1-1 type show where they do 9-1-1 calls and people are trying to

00:24:55.760 interrupt the screaming person to get them to do cpr oh no no yeah i'm just like imagining that and

00:25:02.080 like trying to break through and it would almost be like okay can you put your hands in your chest

00:25:05.280 you'd be like i'm pumping i'm pumping yeah yeah totally i know no it's a problem you want to be

00:25:09.200 like wait wait can you just like can you just go right between the like count three down i think

00:25:14.980 i'm moving it i think i'm moving the heart yeah okay so so i'm like i got this okay i'm like i'm

00:25:22.280 just i need to look at the keypad and see what the buttons are other than the numbers you know

00:25:26.500 and there's gonna be one that says lock and there's good whatever and i'm like i'm guessing

00:25:29.880 it's you press one button then you put in your code and then you go which is basically what it

00:25:33.840 is i feel i've assessed it you're sort of flitting around with this sort of open energy of wondering

00:25:39.620 how to do the lock which this girl overhears right and she i mean this is so archetypal

00:25:45.780 she steps in right and gives the answer that i'm trying to give you right yeah over me

00:25:53.520 and your attention turns towards her as your knight wow and i had to really like sit with

00:26:03.000 the desire that i felt to say even after she left i just want to be very oh because you were doing

00:26:07.880 this you were doing coquettish um you're like without you i without you we'd be lost i said 0.99

00:26:13.860 that like twice i mean i'd be dead without you bitch i was like thanks hunty yeah yeah yeah yeah 1.00

00:26:19.600 and i and i'm quietly going i'm quietly in my head going yeah no you wouldn't i had it okay like i 0.98

00:26:26.200 and i know i know i performed for her that she saved me it's true and the fact that i i mean

00:26:32.220 of course i jest okay but i had to actually say to myself you don't have to tell kate right now

00:26:38.060 that you knew how to do the law and had figured it out seconds before yeah yeah of course the

00:26:44.260 woman uh like but but yeah i was robbed of a kind of knighthood and then something else happened

00:26:50.960 champagne appeared was that at the front desk no so into we're in the the the changing area and

00:26:57.040 then in comes three flutes of sparkling champagne and i so gorgeous i mean well yeah let's go into

00:27:04.420 it i really it's hard because i really just never drink in the day and can't because it makes me

00:27:09.540 instantly exhausted like by 7 p.m i'm asleep and migraines sometimes if it's on an empty stomach

00:27:14.040 migraines for me i mean i i can't drink even a drop of alcohol on an empty stomach i get an

00:27:18.840 instant migraine it's devastating and but i look at it and i immediately walk over to the flutes

00:27:23.480 and I go, okay, those bubbles are serious, right?

00:27:26.320 This is not Prosecco.

00:27:27.180 I can tell just by looking at it, okay?

00:27:28.980 Were they small?

00:27:30.040 They are wild.

00:27:32.120 The bubbles are screaming.

00:27:34.200 Is it that they're big?

00:27:35.280 Is it that they're small?

00:27:36.260 Is it that they're-

00:27:37.280 They're direct.

00:27:38.380 They're so, they're so, they have a consciousness.

00:27:42.800 They're like, they're vertical.

00:27:44.240 They're alarmingly vertical.

00:27:45.820 No, right.

00:27:46.280 Because to me, that's what I felt.

00:27:47.880 They're vertical.

00:27:48.840 They are-

00:27:49.500 It's a matrix of pleasure.

00:27:50.880 They're like soldiers.

00:27:51.440 Yeah, they're like these soldiers

00:27:53.120 and they're from the bottom

00:27:54.040 and they're running to the top

00:27:55.420 and they're telling other ones to run down.

00:27:58.240 Arguably they're masculine in a way.

00:28:00.220 There's a ferociousness within.

00:28:03.640 It's male ballet. 0.93

00:28:05.640 It's like they're dancing.

00:28:08.360 It is militaristic and it's exciting.

00:28:11.080 And I go, I need it now.

00:28:12.480 When you see that level of bubble

00:28:13.660 and I go, and I smell that,

00:28:15.420 I'm sorry, I bring my nose to the top of the flute.

00:28:17.260 I go, oh, this is top shelf.

00:28:20.140 And I even.

00:28:20.740 You go, it's full.

00:28:22.480 I could smell it. It's Clicquot. I knew it. And I'm not here to say like Veuve Clicquot is like

00:28:26.720 my favorite alcoholic beverage or something, but I do think it's quite tasty.

00:28:31.680 I know I've grabbed it in a pinch, headed over to your house to try to impress being like,

00:28:35.180 well, I've heard of that one. So. Oh my God. It'll, it'll work every time. And I took a sip.

00:28:42.500 It was Veuve. And I actually wanted to clarify with the front desk, but I,

00:28:45.860 I just knew it. I was like, this is fucking crazy. Three glasses of Veuve. And it was 0.97

00:28:51.060 devastating because i was like i just can't drink it i was already hungry and i was like if i drink

00:28:54.900 this to go have a champagne i'll and go have a massage i'll melt see i i here's my here's what's

00:29:02.140 so tough you know i'm always looking to replace things right and go so i i don't i love a cocktail

00:29:08.460 pretty much anything else it doesn't do that for me and it's not something i generally want during

00:29:15.520 the day i just don't right but but the flute beautiful the the decadence of that uh the and

00:29:23.260 i know decadence doesn't mean what we all act like it was crystal too the glasses were for crystal

00:29:27.680 yeah they weren't they weren't they weren't poolside safe this wasn't glass honey no and

00:29:32.340 it wasn't even glass okay they weren't crystal wet room safe that hits the floor that's another

00:29:37.460 form of luxury right is the risk yes is is when risk is taken like yeah we are giving you a glass

00:29:43.960 have fun it's decadent and you could you could slice and dice yeah i go what is it that i want

00:29:50.140 what if what would because what i always want is caffeine right i'm always happy that that would

00:29:54.340 be what i would want in theory at the spa just during the day totally so what if they gave me

00:29:58.600 a bubbly what if there was a bubbly delicious drink that was caffeine now i go wait there is

00:30:02.600 celsius right but celsius in a flute unfortunately would be heinous right you cannot

00:30:09.260 you cannot make something that's not champagne champagne to that degree no like and that doesn't

00:30:17.480 mean that therefore you have to give your life over to champagne so i i don't know i just i

00:30:22.400 struggled with it i was like well i'm going to sip from this because i want the feeling of the flute

00:30:27.340 in my hand the concept of it the luxury of robes yeah i'm not going to guzzle it because i don't

00:30:34.020 want to dehydrate before the massage naturally it's sort of like when you go hog wild i don't

00:30:40.560 know on something because it's free which is what i'm apt to do and a free glass of veuve i mean

00:30:47.980 a free normally when a free cocktail is presented it's trash right right like it's free i'm like oh

00:30:56.060 yeah this is the batch margarita mix that is hell and that will give me an instant instant headache

00:31:01.320 but when a top shelf cocktail is offered or something it's much much harder to turn down

00:31:07.200 and i and i really did struggle i took the sip and i said i can't and it was you know what's

00:31:12.160 shocking though like what you still get the like waiters and stuff like just acting like everyone

00:31:16.780 everyone drinks alcohol totally and boldly like doing things like bringing around the shots for

00:31:21.720 for like a group of people it's rude it's pretty like i don't know it's just it's just ask what

00:31:27.620 we want i told you about actually what happened at the hotel i would have loved an espresso me and

00:31:33.100 my tour manager emma no what happened we ordered a meal up to the room there was a series of like

00:31:38.260 errors and issues that you know whatever and not even with the food but like we're trying to get

00:31:44.080 through to room service and it was a whole thing whatever and they like offer an apology and say

00:31:51.080 we'd love to send something up some prosecco with um with your food that's coming just because we

00:31:56.220 know you couldn't get through for hours okay and we go sure right i'm not gonna start making

00:32:01.420 bargains yeah yeah sure yeah yeah although emma did say like well we actually ordered cocktails 0.99

00:32:06.500 like we already have cocktails so maybe it's like you know stupid or not stupid but like we don't 0.99

00:32:10.300 need it really and what they should have done yeah oh well we'll take care of the cocktails 0.99

00:32:15.620 how about of course the cocktails are on us no they want well no instead it was like they were

00:32:20.360 hooked on this prosecco idea okay yeah they're hooked on the 11 bottle of prosecco they're

00:32:24.620 sending up okay and then and they didn't send up a bottle to be clear it was two glasses okay

00:32:29.280 and so then then in comes the room service i i i rarely even like do the due diligence of really

00:32:35.900 doing the math checking the receipt okay i sign i want them gone oh my god and i glance at the

00:32:46.920 receipt they've charged for it okay oh my god it's like 36 dollars of prosecco is on the bill

00:32:55.140 and the waiter i don't even say anything the waiter's aware no okay i mean the guy and he goes 0.98

00:32:59.980 she's gonna take the prosecco off fuck you did the prosecco ever get getting taken off that's 0.98

00:33:06.960 that's all i want to know and i just i'd be shocked if it did because you know what i'd be 0.99

00:33:11.380 shocked too that's scary for it to be on the receipt with the price is alarming stuff slips

00:33:16.040 through the cracks at hotels don't we know it okay it just it does and you got you have to be

00:33:21.680 it's like hospitals you got to advocate for yourself oh but don't get no i mean they'll

00:33:26.740 literally send you a bill for like 40k and be like here's for your spinal tap you're like well

00:33:30.760 i didn't get that and they're like we said that you did get it and you have to like take it to 0.95

00:33:34.420 court it's it's fucking hell the fact that anything i mean that's that's it's the hardest 0.86

00:33:40.700 part of life wait which is like it's not death it's not navigating your own selfhood it's not 0.96

00:33:48.800 relationships it's not it's paperwork it's like it's it's i had i found a check the other day 0.51

00:33:55.840 had slipped through the cracks classic why the fuck it says on it void check is void after 90 0.61

00:34:02.600 days or something i was like excuse me yeah you know why and now i have to call the government 0.81

00:34:11.600 or worse worse and be on hold for 18 hours to retrieve 62 dollars do you know what i mean like

00:34:19.960 it's just it was a government check like a tax thing or something no no no no i'm just saying

00:34:25.000 the government the government is just kind of a is under the umbrella of just like the buildings

00:34:29.900 where everything horrible happens like the buildings where they're filing can you imagine

00:34:35.120 the files the files i mean the fact that anything's done with paperwork i mean have you ever

00:34:42.980 snipped a voucher off the bottom of a of a piece of paper and sent it to the city for your taxes

00:34:49.300 it's it's a joke yeah oh yeah they're like please present this in an envelope just terrifying just

00:34:55.020 a check in an envelope and a printout i meant to mention on poo because i mean we're past now i

00:35:00.540 guess the taxes but some people might have fallen behind and to them i say i had a realization it

00:35:05.680 was a piece of advice i gave someone which is you need to sort of give in if you're going to do your

00:35:09.580 taxes like if you're going to really sit down and go through your you know expenditures you have to

00:35:13.760 give in you have to role play as someone who enjoys it you always said bring a cocktail yeah

00:35:18.860 i do or i remember one time you were like poor cocktail to do your taxes yeah oh yeah

00:35:24.840 like make it no the role play the role play is key yeah i have a new fantasy that is how i want

00:35:31.040 all my paperwork to done be done okay and it's it's and it it's furniture related it's all about

00:35:36.800 me having almost like a secretary style desk you know the secretary is like that closed down

00:35:41.320 oh yeah okay or like a writing desk like a letter you need like the lawyer lamp with the like

00:35:46.260 clang clang clang like the um calculator that's crazy you need the glasses on the tip of your

00:35:50.280 nose with a visor yeah lawyer lamp would be nice or whatever the classic like like whatever yeah

00:35:56.680 like a cap or something but but even but but but there's it's two ideas combined it's it's the

00:36:01.700 secretary style desk with the cabinet the wood it's the wood okay and i'm there and it's it's at

00:36:06.240 night no well no there's two versions there's there's a kind of early evening admin okay and

00:36:11.520 that's correspondence following up a correspondence going through the mail okay things like that and

00:36:18.100 then there's a late night one which is before i retire oh sit down at flickering candlelight 0.95

00:36:24.440 fuck and write in a journal now here's the next piece of advice i mean idea that i have for 0.90

00:36:29.960 myself i was thinking about googling looking for the most the fanciest finest most expensive 0.99

00:36:36.480 diary out there oh okay oh yeah so and it better be dated like like so beautiful gilded edges

00:36:45.540 locked in like it says 2022 and everything no like oh you you missed dates so now like you can

00:36:52.480 just on the next page write the current date no you miss that day it's over oh wow okay you wasted 0.64

00:36:58.760 and you can never go back so you're breaking my heart because i i had i want to be brutalized

00:37:04.980 yeah into a dated diary so i had i was brutalized into a dating diary a dated diary for years

00:37:11.140 i had them maybe four years and if i missed a day it was blank and i would actually sometimes go

00:37:18.100 back what i like to do is just write in what happened that day even just and then surely

00:37:23.240 no covid happened and well simply haven't bought another one since like i just the like it became

00:37:29.020 too depressing to look at the empty days but um yeah i had a friend who had such a gorgeous diary

00:37:36.260 and i was like fascinated by it and she kept it with her and it was small it was like the size

00:37:41.740 of her hand and i was like i fancy i'm gonna get one of those and then i looked it up and it was

00:37:47.140 like a 275 dollar yeah and i i was like what no but it was it was amazing but then of course there's

00:37:53.900 the thought well if it costs 275 dollars to keep a record of my life i mean i didn't do it but you

00:38:01.640 know as you're saying like a beautiful object that almost is so um so fetishized in this way

00:38:08.380 it's so expensive then you almost have to right it's like the mitch headberg joke about buying

00:38:12.640 an expensive pen because he's sick of not caring about when he loses him obviously words are wrong

00:38:18.160 therefore yeah yeah no it's brilliant yeah i know no but the sentiment is genius yeah

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00:39:59.480 i want to say on the on the topic of the champagne and cocktails and everything

00:40:06.260 last week we discussed the 50 50 i have a new drink to talk about on poog already already

00:40:12.060 that when i tell you okay it's going in the vault it's going in for the rest of my life

00:40:19.940 i feel i feel so strongly about this that i'm like i have questions but don't tell me anything

00:40:24.740 yeah i have a few questions to lead you in great one okay does it have a name that is pre-existing

00:40:31.180 like the way you know a gimlet or whatever does it have a name an existing name that you know of

00:40:38.160 all right no no no so so this is a tough question beyond a single restaurant or bar or is that name

00:40:44.000 local to yes no okay well here maybe i'm the name of what it is it's just it's a certain kind of

00:40:50.360 wait I have one more question okay go I don't know why but I want to I want to linger okay I love

00:40:56.180 this I want to linger in this for an hour so let's draw it out all right here's the thing

00:41:00.180 now I want to guess or know yeah what the primary spirit is okay now if there is no primary spirit

00:41:09.340 that's a separate question but if there is one is there one primary spirit let's start with that

00:41:14.620 yes what is it okay well here here's where i give it away the primary spirit is like what it is

00:41:21.460 okay hold on please so your new cocktail is basically maybe i shouldn't say a cocktail

00:41:26.840 maybe i should say a spirit and a party for all right give it to us we're ready

00:41:33.040 okay so here's what's hard i it's i'm pretty sure it's pronounced chinar so it's spelled

00:41:40.600 s-y-n-a-r and it's a bottle that i've seen at bars for 4 000 years and always gone what's that

00:41:46.820 right so it's in the world of like amaro you know it's a bitter aperitif right and it's main

00:41:55.020 strangely i've heard this and it has it on the front it's an artichoke and i was always like

00:41:59.440 an artichoke what the fuck so it is like distilled i guess from artichoke so certainly it's an 0.94

00:42:05.120 an artichoke flavor, whatever. The point is, I'm more and more interested in the world of 0.97

00:42:11.420 spritzes, right? Amoros and making a spritz in the afternoon, something that's not too alcoholic,

00:42:15.280 but something that just kind of takes the edge off when the kids come home from school, you know,

00:42:18.760 something like that. And so I boldly bought the bottle of Chinar. It's about 30 bucks.

00:42:26.860 Based on nothing, Kate? Based on nothing?

00:42:29.020 i saw a photograph of a chinar spritz and i thought i could get used to that also i was

00:42:35.780 inspired by the 50 50 martini and like the i just i wanted to have a little fun so what i did was i

00:42:42.480 got a glass poured ice into the glass i'm gonna really slow it down here took some seltzer it's

00:42:50.640 almost too fast for me filled in some seltzer okay okay some drops of seltzer not some drops

00:42:55.120 you know a couple glugs of seltzer i did a high bubble content meaning not pellegrino right not

00:43:01.500 perrier like yeah i did a mountain valley but a can of seltzer you just want a lot of bubbles in 0.97

00:43:06.420 there aren't those bubbles too big don't you kind of feel like you just need a goddamn club soda 0.93

00:43:10.120 oh yeah well club sodas is the ultimate bubble ferocious yeah it almost burns it's like a wave 0.88

00:43:17.820 It's like, so glug, glug, glug, chenar goes in, top it off with some more seltzer.

00:43:24.020 Then I took a peel of, of lemon.

00:43:27.420 I, so I read online orange, but also lemon.

00:43:30.520 So I only had a lemon.

00:43:31.320 So I did a lemon and little squeeze of lemon on the top. 0.98

00:43:35.960 When I tell you, I took a couple of sips of this and I went, are you fucking kidding me? 0.98

00:43:41.660 No. 0.98

00:43:42.160 Oh my God.

00:43:43.600 Bitter, not too bitter.

00:43:44.720 So this is rude.

00:43:46.620 Campari is not in my life anymore after this great so because I always like the idea like a

00:43:50.860 Campari soda like oh how romantic I can never I always thought it was so like I can never get

00:43:55.860 there with Campari do you remember at the Lincoln oh yeah of course her famous night yeah it was

00:44:00.660 Lincoln at Lincoln Center that restaurant that's where mushrooms all the time happen I mean

00:44:04.840 I've become deranged and lose track of my own references all the time you know got me at 96

00:44:14.280 to a crowd of 86-year-old food hags.

00:44:18.700 Mushrooms all the time.

00:44:20.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:21.600 She's got it wrong.

00:44:22.700 She got it wrong again. 1.00

00:44:26.000 We did Negroni.

00:44:27.120 They had all those Campari-based cocktails, right?

00:44:29.740 Am I thinking of the right thing?

00:44:31.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:31.440 Well, we had Negroni.

00:44:32.380 Or no, Negroni.

00:44:33.160 But is Campari and Negroni related?

00:44:34.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:35.500 There's Campari and Negroni. 1.00

00:44:36.740 Okay, that shit is right. 0.99

00:44:37.680 And I just want so bad, 0.99

00:44:39.340 and I have the whole conversation, 1.00

00:44:40.620 like I never liked Negroni's, 1.00

00:44:41.760 and they're like, 1.00

00:44:42.040 they're going to like this one

00:44:42.840 because blah, blah, blah.

00:44:43.680 and I'm like okay let's do it I had one guy like basically finally at a restaurant be like

00:44:47.740 it like truly like you try it but if you do not like it and I don't know if I could bring myself

00:44:52.960 to tell him I still I don't I just can't can't seem to acquire the taste anyway go on I enjoy

00:44:58.740 Negroni but this I know this was so divine and listen to me the squeeze of lemon and then I

00:45:04.300 added even more lemon because I was loving it I had this moment where I squeezed the lemon in

00:45:08.060 i dropped the lemon in and i kind of pushed it down i was transported to myself at age 84

00:45:13.880 i had this one where i go i'm gonna do this till i'm 84 i had this i know i know that

00:45:19.340 such relief and i was almost like i had this like it was like transportive i was like this is it

00:45:25.140 finding like the love of your life or one of them exactly and i just had this dream and i was like

00:45:32.220 this is it this is what i can offer guests oh god it's a spritz like it was it's like again

00:45:37.480 light alcohol content i had two of them just very like just it's it's it's gentle but it's firm 0.98

00:45:45.860 but it's firm you said it was just so it no it's just um it's gentle but it's really fucking

00:45:53.700 delicious no it sounds heavenly and not too sweet not too bitter bitter i was just i was stunned i

00:46:00.060 was like this is this is what you want to have i mean it's literally the purpose of it's the purpose

00:46:06.000 of an aperitivo right which is what is the purpose of an aperitivo just loosen you up for the cheese

00:46:11.100 or whatever yeah the idea is that it's like it's like okay here we go it's like the beginning of

00:46:15.800 the party yeah right you're like okay we're not gonna have a full cocktail yet we're not gonna

00:46:19.100 have a glass of wine yet we're gonna give you a little something to make you a little hungry to

00:46:23.200 kind of spike your appetite get you a little buzz yeah oh really it's actually it actually is i think

00:46:28.800 that's the idea it's like to prepare yourself to eat of course half making this up and then i think

00:46:34.020 it's also to you know loosen you a little bit get that pre-dinner conversation rolling and then you

00:46:38.760 have again at the end the digestif right to kind of at the end of the meal to wind down right and

00:46:43.320 those i don't know i don't know if those have ever worked for you as a digestif furnettes are tough

00:46:48.640 i mean i love straight to the porcelain vomit i mean nothing sends nothing sends me there as you

00:46:54.320 know well no i mean to vomit i mean like classically a dessert wine oh i can't do it i 0.96

00:47:02.500 can't touch the stuff i mean it's it's hell i wish i could have like a muscato like a perfect

00:47:07.180 little sherry where was i oh i was at the fabulous restaurant in new york another favorite of mine

00:47:11.360 king and waiter was absolutely kind enough sweet enough generous enough to send over bring out a

00:47:17.360 beautiful as a little gift at the end of the meal this beautiful sherry and and he was like i was

00:47:22.920 you know you love the word of course i had like i had had this was a night for me which is unusual

00:47:28.340 I had three cocktails at dinner. So I was absolutely smashed. And I, um, what a wonderful

00:47:33.620 sensation. I hugged him. Okay. I was like, so I gave him a hug. Like I went in the bathroom. I was

00:47:38.080 like, come here. I was like, Kate, don't do this. And I, um, I know, I know you're like, this one's

00:47:44.520 different. Had I had three Negronis. Yeah. And then he sent over this beautiful Sherry and I didn't 1.00

00:47:51.360 have the heart to be like, if I drink that, I'm going to have a migraine for the ages. And he was

00:47:56.040 like it's my favorite sherry so of course i downed it and it was lovely and on occasion

00:48:00.180 at a beautiful restaurant like king somewhere where you're getting that quality it's worth it

00:48:04.100 to me you know it's i'll be like i'll sacrifice to to what perhaps i have a headache like it's

00:48:09.640 like i want to have the experience of the meal i want to taste the flavors needless to say i did

00:48:13.880 have a migraine the next day it's sickening you can't actually do it like that the after drink

00:48:17.960 the sherry all of that i mean i just i can't do it i felt myself when we were at cl i felt myself

00:48:23.920 like like i was like i'm not gonna guzzle this whole thing but i just love so much chicken i

00:48:27.580 love to consume i love to be in a constant state of consumption of course of course and so like

00:48:33.400 right now i'm drinking tea if you can imagine um wow unlike you no because i'm trying to

00:48:38.560 work i like to have a mug of something and i drink coffee all day long and yeah you know on

00:48:44.740 a show day for example to to just be you have a show tonight yeah to just be doing anxiety um

00:48:51.740 building work through through endless caffeine seems like not the answer so i'm trying to slow

00:48:57.260 it down but i know i i had a lot of creative anxiety this morning after my first cup of

00:49:01.940 coffee and here i am on my second cold brew right to the dome i had it i just want to talk a little

00:49:07.720 more about the massage at cl because because i had a pretty unbelievable experience continue with

00:49:14.040 paula or i don't know if i should call her out directly but yeah but i had the satisfaction that

00:49:20.580 you dream of which is when the practitioner recognizes your pain okay and like validates it

00:49:30.040 without you telling where like I was like on my neck I sleep like this but then down in the behind

00:49:36.440 the shoulder blade in the specific area that I beg Chris you know to like dig his elbow in or stand

00:49:43.360 on or whatever she gets to it with whatever an elbow a thumb and knuckle I don't know I didn't

00:49:48.660 I didn't care.

00:49:49.720 Okay.

00:49:49.940 Yeah.

00:49:50.380 And, and she's getting in there and there's like sounds of like, of like crunchy, you

00:49:56.060 know, whatever over there.

00:49:58.200 Not, she's not cracking anything.

00:49:59.520 It's just like through the whatever.

00:50:01.180 And, and, and then, and then she said like, she had been dead silent.

00:50:06.020 Okay.

00:50:06.600 And she was like, whoa, like almost like, and I was like, thank you.

00:50:12.960 Like it was like, she acknowledged, she, she recognized like, it's like when you want a

00:50:17.080 fever to acknowledge to validate your your your illness and that was spectacular i'm sorry i have

00:50:24.020 to stand up because i am having like i actually have been having sciatic pain the last two days

00:50:27.880 and i can't sit in this chair keep going um well you know i was just researching

00:50:34.780 number of traction devices whenever i'm experiencing pain i just decide that i need

00:50:40.260 various cervical traction devices and i start researching them go down cervical traction

00:50:44.560 what oh like you know the cervical spine is like oh i thought you're talking about your cervix

00:50:50.140 cervix yeah the feeling based on the sound you made um yeah you know it's like creating space

00:50:55.640 you might want to lay on a heating pad i'm going to i i know i took my brother had sciatica issues

00:51:01.700 and it helped so here's here's something that i'm curious about i think he wouldn't mind me saying 0.98

00:51:07.960 so john early poor fucking john early has these like battery back issues like it's a fucking 0.93

00:51:14.380 nightmare right he herniated a disc again he's laid out another one yeah it's really like serious 0.98

00:51:20.440 it's devastating and he's um so i've been because we're working together right now and i've been

00:51:26.840 over there and he's he has to lay down like it's really bad and so i the other day was over there

00:51:33.520 we were editing and i was laying in this just spent a bunch of hours in a not good position

00:51:39.020 on the couch with like yeah it was just not good i also thought of you as it was happening because

00:51:44.760 i was wearing kind of tight jeans and i was like i shouldn't be like hanging out like it's just

00:51:49.840 it was bad and then so i spend the day in this strange contorted position i'm leaving i reach

00:51:55.800 down to pick up something and i do it in this kind of weird way like it's kind of quick i grab it yeah

00:52:00.320 i just do this weird bending motion instantly i go that was weird and immediately i'm walking to

00:52:06.760 my car and my leg is like bad like my left leg like it's like i can barely put pressure on it 0.94

00:52:11.820 like yeah tingling weird i'm just like this is strange i go home i'm like fuck i'm having 0.79

00:52:17.900 radiating pain sciatic nerve so quick note here john who herniated a disc is having outrageous 0.91

00:52:24.340 nerve pain like serious on a level of what i can't fathom but here i am having my own little

00:52:29.720 micro sciatic and it's this thing where i was like is this i was like this is real pain this

00:52:34.680 really hurts today it's better than yesterday i would say already but what do you make of this

00:52:40.460 because it's almost like so it's so yesterday i went to his house and i was having my own sciatic

00:52:44.480 sciatic pain so i was laid out next day like was he like couldn't you couldn't let me have it

00:52:50.120 i know well that's what it looks like that i was like talking to a friend and he like actually um

00:52:55.840 i as well he was like i was talking to him and i was like had my legs up because i was in so much

00:53:00.400 pain he was like this is too weird like you like john's laid out in this insane way and then here

00:53:06.040 the next day you are laid out like and i'm aware of how it looks but what can i tell you the pain

00:53:10.800 is real well nothing's worse than is there some sympathy element there because i i there's no part

00:53:17.680 of me i think even on the subconscious level refusal to be left out he's getting more attention

00:53:22.960 than me I need to be the center like that's not how I feel I think sympathy pain or something like

00:53:28.300 that is real trying to give it moral but also there's the real reality of like I was contorted

00:53:32.880 in a weird position and did a weird move and felt instant pain so it's I don't know and I haven't

00:53:37.620 and I need to get my abs strong it might also be the the obsessive kind of you need to what

00:53:42.580 get my get my ab strength back well we have upright goes and after my research I remembered

00:53:49.800 that I have an upright go what and so do you what's that the little thing that hangs on the

00:53:54.860 necklace and hangs in your back oh yeah yeah and and buzzes you when you you know tip over

00:54:02.680 tip out of the range of your posture yeah it's all about you have to like do like you have to do this

00:54:08.680 shoulders back yeah shoulders back and down but it's like you know it's all um it's more than just

00:54:14.920 the one piece right you gotta it's like it's like it's gotta be everything um forward neck posture

00:54:22.000 has been my google you know recently so we're all tech snack okay you know this thing you must

00:54:29.580 have seen this graphic a thousand times like looking down at your phone how this is like

00:54:33.940 whatever pounds your head is this this is like 30 pounds of pressure this is like 60 pounds of

00:54:39.880 pressure no no yeah no no no no no no you've never seen these graphics no no it's real okay

00:54:45.340 and it's where all my pain comes from so to be clear Jacqueline's saying that when you tilt your

00:54:51.860 head like straight up looking straight eyeline is like good and then as as you draw your eyes

00:54:56.700 your your gaze downward this life and right now and what's so disturbing is let me tell you what

00:55:01.180 they tell us okay so I when I go down like that I already have pain right and then I'm like but

00:55:06.760 just sort of feels like a tired muscle what they say is that oh the muscles these thus become i 0.99

00:55:15.460 think short and tight these become overstretched okay and weak okay we're all fucked unless we 0.99

00:55:23.120 turn this shit around so then there's a test you can do there's a couple tests actually and there's 0.99

00:55:27.860 exercises okay but you stand against a wall okay and you put your feet you know the back of your 0.99

00:55:32.660 feet against the wall your your your like butt against the wall back of your feet i mean stand

00:55:38.800 with your back against the wall okay got it oh yeah i see i see the back of your heels should 0.94

00:55:43.540 be touching the wall okay your butt should be touching the wall and like your shoulder blades

00:55:48.420 should be touching the wall yeah good she's doing it and oh my god i'm doing it live this is huge 0.66

00:55:51.960 your head like when you're when those other things if your head's like not touching the wall

00:55:56.320 essentially like that's bad just stand there then you like have forward head posture okay

00:56:01.980 it's not but and now try like a soldier pulling your chin in like make a double chin try to make

00:56:08.980 a double chin yeah pulling your head back okay ew okay do you feel that it's hard kind of yeah

00:56:18.460 here's the other one and this one you might want to put down your microphone floor

00:56:22.420 you stand against the wall it's worth it okay stand against the wall but you have to actually

00:56:27.020 put the microphone down all right i'll narrate you stand against the wall back to the wall

00:56:32.080 and then you slowly okay uh palms out open your hands palms out okay and then

00:56:38.700 okay down at your sides okay slowly and and and don't let your arms okay you're gonna slowly

00:56:47.920 bring them up like a snow angel okay with the back of your arms against the wall don't let

00:56:53.180 them off the wall and go all the way up over your head i can't so you feel it there do you feel the

00:56:58.260 strength yeah but your hands aren't touching right because it's too hard

00:57:02.980 it was hard right it was hard i'm confused yeah but it wasn't a good experiment because i have a

00:57:15.960 painting on my wall and i couldn't i know i know but what you'll feel at least what i feel when i 0.91

00:57:21.460 do these kind of things it's like oh shit like yeah that shit's weak and i gotta work on it the 0.98

00:57:26.180 posture stuff that's terrifying like the next stuff is hell on earth do you think i'm like 0.99

00:57:32.100 some psychotic narcissist that i develop sciatic pain no i actually think what it more is is the

00:57:38.600 way that your mind like magnetizes to i i think you have you have a normal pain like back pain

00:57:46.140 is something a lot of people deal with okay and you like in your mind you get locked into certain

00:57:51.140 words okay so you've like decided a sciatic nerve okay okay and you're like and you're like i also

00:57:58.080 have a herniated disc like you're locked into the the vocabulary yeah well i definitely don't have

00:58:03.080 a herniated disc right but yeah i guess i know but i know what you mean once no of course once

00:58:07.280 the suggestion of this could happen then it's there do you i have a question when you're getting

00:58:11.960 massage. Do you moan? Never. I mean, neither. Never at all. So I was at a friend's house and 0.92

00:58:18.060 I heard I, what I presumed was their neighbor getting like the slowest BJ of his life. Like

00:58:23.220 he was like moaning so hard, like having this like tantric experience. I was like, oh my God,

00:58:30.220 like full throated windows open. I actually, I was outside reading. I went inside because I felt so

00:58:36.920 like like invasive just by being i felt like i was like standing at the foot of his bed like it 0.97

00:58:42.800 was so fucking crazy and then i was like fuck that i'm going outside i want to read outside 0.99

00:58:46.840 i'll read outside god damn it yeah yeah i went back outside the moaning continues and it's like 1.00

00:58:52.060 oh like this whole thing and then all of a sudden so all the moaning and i'm like this fucking sucks 0.99

00:58:58.500 and then he's moaning moaning you see a massage table come come out the door well so he's moaning 0.97

00:59:04.740 moaning and then all of a sudden so he's moaning moaning some silence and then ow like

00:59:11.260 like like it was like was so funny and I was like oh okay well that changes a lot but then back to

00:59:21.220 the crazy moaning and I was like well maybe you know a sharp nail you know I don't know what it

00:59:25.300 was right but then I hear a woman's voice speaking in very plain almost medical so I was like it's

00:59:31.760 a massage and then I asked my friend and he was like yeah he gets massages a lot but had never

00:59:37.560 heard the orgasmic moaning that I had been hearing anyway I'm silent during massages and often anxious

00:59:43.320 the whole time I'm silent because I was thinking about this a lot I'm willing to talk at the top

00:59:48.020 a little bit if I mean at the before I get on the table like like if they want if they ask about

00:59:52.980 like if there's anything I want to focus on or something um but the second I'm on the table I

00:59:58.100 want to depersonalize yeah as much as can I want my body to become like like not my own yeah totally

01:00:06.380 okay and and just come I don't want this to be I don't I don't want intimacy so to me to like

01:00:13.320 moan in response is just too intimate it's like no I'm elsewhere I've I've dissociated I've gone

01:00:19.840 elsewhere I'll leave my body here in your hands yeah like I'm out and then I actually felt like

01:00:26.040 this embarrassment at one point like I don't even like like like I try to even sort of time my

01:00:31.460 breathing in this way that doesn't seem too much like I'm responding to what they're doing like

01:00:36.320 you know like I just want to be like this I'm just like like I don't want to be like like or

01:00:41.860 like yeah and then and then but and then I really struggled at one point where she was doing the

01:00:47.780 massage on this sort of upper like upper leg hip flexor like I'm on my back hip flexor area and as 0.84

01:00:54.780 she's pressing on that. It doesn't hurt or anything, but it's radiating like a ticklish

01:00:59.320 feeling up to like my stomach. Okay. And every single time. So pressing on the, like on the

01:01:04.920 hip flexor and it's, and I'm like, don't even think of that as being that tight. And it's,

01:01:08.520 it's like, I don't want to explode in giggles. Yeah. Okay. And I, I managed to keep it together

01:01:14.660 for, for the right leg. And then when she moved over to the left and I'm like, maybe it won't be

01:01:18.560 as bad as that side. And then it was like, I just like essentially exploded and, you know,

01:01:23.540 not because i didn't burn into peels of laughter i wasn't like in my laughs okay but i was like i

01:01:31.020 was like okay and i was like i was like sorry it's just like a muscle it's a muscle if a muscle

01:01:36.000 could be ticklish you know that's what i'm experiencing where did i trigger point where

01:01:40.120 was i recently when i pretended to be i was pretending something tickled when it didn't

01:01:44.560 which is a very bizarre situation what was that maybe to get someone to stop doing something you 0.94

01:01:49.920 didn't want them to do like fuck what was it like uh like someone's applying a someone's applying 0.97

01:01:56.380 glitter uh makeup to your neck oh it was a makeup situation actually i knew it you're so good we 0.99

01:02:02.720 have to go also because i can't sit in this fucking chair anymore it hurts too much all 0.99

01:02:06.520 right well let's get into your back pain next week that sounds like a grand old time well it 0.98

01:02:10.500 better be fucking gone by next week oh yeah well preventative medicine i think it will be at this 0.88

01:02:15.740 right i will say i did a little i did a little um cbd bath soak last night and it really helped 0.97

01:02:24.160 i have to say is it one that i have as well something we both have something you did on

01:02:29.360 your own it was a tiny pouch that somebody once sent oh really yeah that was a poog thing i wonder

01:02:36.260 if i tried it i don't know who it is okay well a lot of mention to ilia today so hopefully someone

01:02:42.600 from HR will reach out

01:02:43.740 or not HR

01:02:44.280 yeah I'm really desperate

01:02:45.020 to try a well matched

01:02:46.340 foundation

01:02:46.900 I will say the

01:02:48.660 Ilya tinted lip balms

01:02:50.240 I'm also in love with

01:02:51.080 and I purchased two

01:02:52.060 so

01:02:52.540 yeah well I've

01:02:54.340 never tried any Ilya

01:02:55.180 I'm very curious

01:02:56.140 to try the line

01:02:56.960 I would love to have

01:02:57.860 the whole line

01:02:58.560 and I'm really looking

01:02:59.500 forward to our next

01:03:00.140 visit at CL Spa

01:03:02.140 by the time this comes out

01:03:03.760 we'll be mere two days

01:03:04.780 away from our next

01:03:05.900 what a thrill

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 19, 2022

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