Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - She's Still Talking

00:00:00.000 This is an iHeart Podcast.

00:00:02.580 Guaranteed human.

00:00:04.420 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:00:08.020 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:00:11.960 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:00:15.780 No, I am not your guru.

00:00:19.420 Back then, I lied to everybody.

00:00:21.720 They have had this case for 30 years.

00:00:24.660 I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

00:00:27.320 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:00:57.320 Chase Matthew, listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app,

00:01:00.880 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:01:04.060 If you're from the Bay and grew up on the JV Show,

00:01:06.800 then you know Wild 94.9 runs deep in your DNA.

00:01:10.060 Yeah, Wild 94.9 has been the Bay's number one hit music station for years.

00:01:14.240 And every morning we're bringing you the biggest hits, laughs.

00:01:17.300 We've got the biggest giveaways, the day's top headlines,

00:01:20.120 and everything trending in the Bay to start your day.

00:01:22.340 It's all on the JV Show weekday mornings on Wild 94.9.

00:01:25.300 And if you're busy in the morning, you can catch the JV Show podcast anytime, anywhere.

00:01:29.180 Just save Wild 94.9 and the JV Show podcast as your top iHeartRadio preset.

00:01:34.860 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.320 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:37.400 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:42.200 Two untamable intellects.

00:01:43.920 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:01:44.760 This is our hell.

00:01:45.620 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:01:47.900 This is POOG.

00:01:49.320 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:01:50.760 50-50.

00:01:52.760 Ozone therapy.

00:01:54.420 Puking.

00:01:55.300 welcome back from britain oh yeah chuffed chuffed i don't read reviews but but there was a quote 0.99

00:02:07.260 that was pulled i was creating a thing and it was something like stuffed full of dick jokes but 0.84

00:02:13.680 something positive okay yeah you know but none you ever heard and tour manager emma you know 0.54

00:02:20.640 sent it to me and i was inputting it into a into a thing like a promotional thing and she there was

00:02:26.760 a typo okay and so it said tuftful and i literally thought it was like a britishism 0.79

00:02:31.320 so like made my video tuftful of dick jokes yeah yeah no it sounds like a british turn of phrase

00:02:39.300 first time in london how was it well you know there's video of myself saying the town people 0.96

00:02:47.520 talk about paris paris paris london's beautiful okay like literally oh of course and like of

00:02:52.660 course it is but it was pretty shocking really i was stunned by the beauty of the buildings

00:03:00.140 oh and the and the little the narrows and walking past things called the dairy flats

00:03:06.620 the cobblestones yeah just the stones i love to be you know amidst stone brick stone is all it

00:03:14.760 takes there was a facade of a building clearly old and it was even that even that's enough and

00:03:23.300 there was nothing behind it they were rebuilding a building entirely behind the old facade because

00:03:29.340 they respect architecture they have an actual respect for history it's one of those mornings

00:03:36.020 where um well first of all i had been texting you pardon me i've been texting you because i

00:03:40.660 it's like here i'm trying to oh i'm trying to scrutinize why i feel tired it's very simple

00:03:44.880 it's like oh because you were out late drinking alcohol i'm like what is it what is this feeling

00:03:51.460 right you want to live symbolically you know you you want meaning and well an old reason isn't

00:03:58.740 exciting it really is true that tequila soda and lime it just doesn't hurt the head the way

00:04:06.120 any other alcohol does well wine i mean i'm off wine completely oh i can't even touch the stuff

00:04:12.940 it's devastating because i love i love it the drama the poetry i'll have a little bit of organic

00:04:18.240 orange you know i'll have some pet nat the sparkles agree with me for some reason but

00:04:22.580 the thought of drinking wine i saw a woman at a bar drinking wine and it was i almost slapped it

00:04:29.960 out of her hand out of I guess jealousy I just couldn't and the idea of going to a bar and

00:04:37.380 ordering a glass of wine sounds great I guess it was jealousy no it's I mean the romance and

00:04:44.860 frankly you know the humiliations of cocktails I mean I regularly visit upon those of us who

00:04:50.740 who drink them because as we've discussed before you don't know what's coming you don't know what

00:04:54.900 it's going to arrive like what it's going to look like what's going to feel like and even what's

00:04:59.060 gonna taste like oh and then most of all what it's gonna taste like let's get real try to read a

00:05:03.500 cocktail drink try to put those ingredients together in your head well i have to say that

00:05:09.200 i had i had one of the most remarkable meals of recent history here in new york city at servos

00:05:14.260 so shout out servos well never been and blood is rising it's it's exquisite on canal street no

00:05:21.720 you'll go you'll die will i go special but it's no no it's it's uh when i tell you there were

00:05:28.120 multiple dishes where I had my hand over my mouth and disbelief no no flavors yeah okay that reminds

00:05:35.600 me of I know I've told you this but the one time that I had a piece of cake that the second I took

00:05:40.940 a bite and I never expect anything from cake to be clear yeah took a bite and inside my own mouth

00:05:46.780 I said something to the cake okay it wasn't for anyone else I go wait what

00:05:51.520 i literally in my mouth wait what literally wait what and i wasn't being performative

00:05:58.300 no you were actually stunned it was absolutely wait what like i didn't understand you can do

00:06:04.800 that sometimes it can do that and i'll say there was a cocktail there that i had get into it when

00:06:10.840 you're everything so have you in heaven 50 50 martini so first of all wait what the glory oh

00:06:19.100 sorry that wasn't a that wasn't a fake one okay okay 50 50 you said it's called a 50 50 so all

00:06:24.100 right they were serving was picture and this was by the way one of the most elegant drinks i'd ever

00:06:28.080 seen in my life and immediately i was overcome and i said i'm gonna serve this to people in my

00:06:32.400 home right i'm gonna stun people they're gonna come to my house to be brought to their knees

00:06:36.080 with this simplicity of it and yet the utter poetry of it okay so picture i rocks glass picture

00:06:43.220 classic yeah right yeah yeah not with a curvature but just okay just kind of a squat oh yeah classic

00:06:50.520 kind of like just an no frills a no frills cocktail glass you know yeah and ice in there

00:06:57.900 some big chunks and here's what i also like not the huge grandiosity of the single cube

00:07:03.820 shaved cube which i have fun with and we all we all we've also been trained to see that as like

00:07:09.360 the absolute mark of refinement you know in a way that i think we have to undo no and then and then

00:07:15.640 the lower budget hotels start featuring it in photography of of their bar okay and you're like

00:07:22.220 it's over the second those silicone molds became available to all of us and don't think i didn't

00:07:27.440 buy them for my father as a christmas stuffer stocking stuff the ultimate here's here's why

00:07:33.220 is it so a perfect square ice cube still exciting and somehow again reeks of money a circle if it's 0.97

00:07:41.920 a circle a sphere yeah yeah trash humiliating trash isn't that interesting you know what i mean 0.94

00:07:48.240 suddenly you're on a united airlines flight okay that's so funny the sphere ice something about it 0.92

00:07:56.320 it's like this attempt i don't know i i want to get into it okay hold on and we're not and don't

00:08:01.820 we'll get back to the cocktail I want to take a minute with it and something about it just reeks

00:08:05.500 okay but I'll say quickly what the cocktail was no no because I don't want it to be quick that's

00:08:10.500 why I want to do this and then come back because we're going to come back we'll have to get out

00:08:13.740 of the bathtub here okay yeah the feeling of getting this is what it's like in our story

00:08:19.940 god I've missed you keep going I'm like the feeling of getting out of the back god I've

00:08:23.900 missed you getting out of the bathtub but knowing you're getting back in and like for some reason

00:08:28.660 like you're like it's worth it oh i forgot the whatever in the other room you know i'm gonna 0.89

00:08:32.300 fucking do it i'm gonna run over there and i'm gonna run run using a towel under my feet step 0.90

00:08:36.660 by step so that i don't touch anything anyway that's what it's like so the sphere is too proud 0.99

00:08:42.280 of itself okay the sphere believes this sort of futuristic can you believe we made it happen we

00:08:49.320 made a nice cube into a sphere when silicon molds folks they can make a snowman they can make anything

00:08:56.140 it's you're right it's so aware of itself and it can make a photorealistic face it's so prideful

00:09:02.160 but the sort of exciting masculine pomposity of the cube it's not far behind i know you're still

00:09:10.780 saying you're excited by it but i think it's close i appreciate no i appreciate it here's

00:09:15.180 what's stunning about this cocktail okay yeah a return to ice as we knew it right so literal

00:09:20.440 pieces but not but still beautiful somehow okay so one of the things like the equivalent of five

00:09:26.940 big cubes yeah medium cube before maybe there were four yeah yeah it's like not your father's ice

00:09:32.980 yeah ice well i was gonna say how one of the things that derails me instantly when watching

00:09:37.980 film and television i think we've talked about this is prop ice fake ice and i want to say i

00:09:44.040 was working on a project a couple weeks ago best prop ice i'd ever seen no and i was floored

00:09:50.400 i was floored and i said you moved the best prop i've ever seen and he kind of knowingly smiled

00:09:54.820 and he said we hand make it no no no and i almost i'm crying and and people won't believe me now

00:10:01.440 the tears aren't gonna fall but the thing happened where where the prick the prick of tears happened

00:10:06.020 in my eyes okay at that artisan's pride the art the artisanal and the attention to detail i'm like

00:10:10.900 well that's how you tell a story that's how we become immersed in cinema someone's got to be

00:10:15.620 looking out jesus you'll you'll see this in tv it's a two characters are sitting at lunch and

00:10:21.980 they've got a couple arnold palmers and it's stacked you got a tom tom collins glass stacked

00:10:28.040 the most humiliating ice you've ever seen and it takes you out and suddenly is it that it's

00:10:33.240 is it uniformity quantity it's uniformity quantity it's the amount of ice it's the

00:10:38.740 shape it looks are they individual or are they you know it's not like a sculpture right you know

00:10:44.620 No, no, no.

00:10:45.280 But it looks like it.

00:10:46.660 It looks like fake food.

00:10:48.180 It'd be more real because ice does get stuck together

00:10:50.520 in a lot of situations.

00:10:52.540 It's a classic case of when they aim for the ideal in the prop,

00:10:56.920 life as we know it disappears and not joyfully.

00:11:01.900 The magic of cinema should not lie in the ice's idealized nature.

00:11:07.400 Get the ice right.

00:11:08.740 Truth is beauty.

00:11:10.120 If you get the ice right, you're on your way.

00:11:12.000 if the ice is wrong it's complete it's over that is what a set designer like that's laddering down

00:11:18.120 from a set designer right is it like props department it's a lack of attention it's a lack

00:11:23.560 of care no no but i mean the good one the good one you're talking about like oh oh yeah you hired

00:11:27.800 it set designers the top of that area right i mean like that yes you have a production designer

00:11:33.220 but of course you have the world of props is so essential and so often overlooked

00:11:39.880 so often overlooked

00:11:41.860 well set design

00:11:44.080 why is every home have we talked about this

00:11:47.960 and we're getting back to the cocktail that cocktails are worn back

00:11:50.040 okay we will not forget okay yeah because I need

00:11:52.140 to describe it but I need

00:11:53.960 to cover this

00:11:55.060 why is every home in television now

00:11:58.060 empty

00:11:58.360 why is every home in the stark

00:12:01.680 you mean it's all Airbnb

00:12:03.000 it's all crafted after an Airbnb

00:12:05.820 yes yes it's people

00:12:07.960 who yes sorry there it is you mean people are trying to live that way for real too yes that's

00:12:12.420 now become the idea of luxury is that complete uniformity scarcity oh sorry what's that gorgeous

00:12:20.320 sound is that like a meditation app what is it that's the alarm sound i went for what on my

00:12:26.440 iphone just it's just a nine o'clock alarm going off that i guess like has every day i need yeah

00:12:31.680 you got to go through every single sound the iphone offers i know mine are like

00:12:34.340 are the most glaring devastating alarm sounds yeah yeah that my stomach turns

00:12:40.880 okay airbnb as luxury back to the cocktail though oh but oh yeah yeah no we're getting

00:12:47.660 also reeks of this is rich well there's a certain thing that's happening that we all see of

00:12:53.000 the more wealth people accrue very often the more actually hideous and heinous and bloodless

00:13:00.700 their homes become and there's this idea of hiring they hire these designers right you know

00:13:06.520 i love watching architectural digest videos you know yeah they hire these designers and there's

00:13:12.100 like six of them and they all have identical taste with slight variations yeah and so all the

00:13:18.400 most you know famous people the rich people they go and they go design my house and then all the

00:13:23.200 homes become this absolute uniform display of and very often it's this is getting hard because like

00:13:32.520 it's very defined by certain kind of loud wallpaper what if we did loud wallpaper wouldn't

00:13:39.240 the whole town be stunned it's very much that and by the way i'm saying this sounds like you

00:13:44.660 mean like the the intersection of you know tigers on the wall and then the bare bones

00:13:50.740 mid-century bench and i want to say something i want to say something here yeah i love a loud

00:13:57.380 wallpaper sure i can appreciate yeah the opulence the excitement the storytelling okay yeah the

00:14:03.660 drama but here but here's what's strange if you look i'm telling you if you flip through these

00:14:07.680 magazines flip through the magazines if you go online they're all the same right it's this very

00:14:12.720 decided upon aesthetic exactly it's not loud wallpaper it's a very specific kind that they go

00:14:20.260 it's certain colors teal there's a strange teal thing no one's going to the wallpaper store

00:14:25.500 no no i actually went no no no but no one's going it was a dot dot dot okay and i do want to hear

00:14:33.380 and just going like let's see what stuns me like intuitively it feels like you know there are

00:14:40.780 there's a certain aesthetic right now that is allowed you know it's kind of like the the faux

00:14:47.020 uh bust thing or like the faux um oh my god yeah like even like like a like a cartoon lion's head

00:14:54.700 on a wall or something it's that it's also taxidermy adjacent it's also bell jar adjacent

00:15:00.400 wait bell jar wait yeah like something like something like taxidermy within a bell jar

00:15:05.660 or even this thing that i was like when i was you know 15 i thought it was cool to have like

00:15:12.440 yeah on the wall like a bug being dissected like a beetle split in half totally and kate you're

00:15:19.340 like you're ahead there okay you and nabikov literally okay there's butterflies just pinned

00:15:24.900 butterflies yeah the thing is like a lot of people i mean this is just utter like poog rudeness okay

00:15:30.760 this is like being so rude i know but it's so funny that like it must be spoken okay because 0.95

00:15:36.040 like because i feel like i'm imagining someone right now in their home like listening to poog

00:15:40.300 like glancing up at their own wall no i'm gonna kill myself because i have like actual i'm like 0.56

00:15:44.520 friends yeah yeah yeah yeah like dear and by the way in beautiful homes and i do think their homes

00:15:49.860 are great and i do think there are great details in their homes i'm just and i'm not speaking

00:15:53.340 there's no problem there's not an inherent issue with the loud wallpaper it's and by the way i'm

00:15:57.940 also referencing well the loud wallpaper in every single room i'm not talking about a kooky you know

00:16:03.160 no and it's not i still believe it's not the loud wallpaper that's the issue it's that it's that

00:16:08.600 the proliferation there's a fake claiming of wallpaper but actually it's only a very specific

00:16:13.380 kind that that's sort of the issue look at me i have crazy wallpaper well actually you don't

00:16:17.320 because that exact kind of scale of the pattern is something we have we've that has been pre-approved

00:16:23.260 on instagram am i am i and also i'm actually now thinking i have a friend love her home she has

00:16:30.500 crazy wallpaper in one of the in the one of the bathrooms and it's like really beautiful flowers

00:16:36.140 And I found myself like lost in the in the beautiful folds of the flowers.

00:16:40.020 OK, so there's a huge merit here.

00:16:42.180 There are no rules, truly.

00:16:44.220 No, we're looking at tendencies.

00:16:46.280 We're digging into sort of underlying, you know, there was this period where apartment

00:16:54.380 therapy, et cetera, they were, you know, these kind of look, look what you can have.

00:16:58.380 You don't have to pay blah, blah, blah for the sculpture.

00:17:02.220 you can take anything and spray like you could take a child's figurine okay of a of a elephant

00:17:08.800 and spray paint it white high gloss white right right right set that on your shelf i mean the

00:17:15.500 whole 10 percent you know that thing that your thing needs to be like like your shelves should

00:17:19.440 only be 10 percent full or 30 percent full oh god that's horrible dare you well it's also i've

00:17:25.300 always had and again i'm being rude but i've always had a judgment when people organize their

00:17:30.380 books by color i think we've talked i know i know and it's it's tough because that's also another

00:17:36.700 apartment therapy classic okay when they when they drop that yeah people lost their minds okay

00:17:42.140 even i did holy shit how could i never have seen that that possibility you know oh it's stunning

00:17:47.340 oh remove you know remove the the cover like like a trash hardcover look like a dickensian classic 0.74

00:17:56.220 right right or a classic by dickens right but but yes you gotta see it because i mean i'm trying 0.85

00:18:04.320 to think when i've done shit like that because i've done that apartment therapy type shit and 0.67

00:18:08.760 you do it and you feel alive and then it sours but wait hold on all i want to say is that what 0.97

00:18:15.960 i miss is the set design for example in the in the home in diehard okay they understood in the

00:18:23.480 80s how to make a house look like an actual person's home you're on your own here because

00:18:28.780 i've seen it once as a child so i have no reference no no that's okay it's it's just for

00:18:33.000 the listener yeah that's fine i couldn't think of a better example anyway back okay take me back to

00:18:39.500 the restaurant okay so i'm at the restaurant only this was if only this led to us getting a single

00:18:44.140 free cocktail at servos and i know it will okay i really hope it does because i was so stunned

00:18:49.360 i almost went up i almost went up and they have the kitchen is like exposed like you go in and

00:18:54.120 you see all these like cute boys making food oh my god and i and i almost at the end i wanted to

00:19:00.360 go over and go like i was stunned by the flavors tonight but i didn't of course but um a personal

00:19:05.200 connection yeah but then i uh like you and me i get it so this cocktail 50 50 gin which i don't

00:19:15.160 usually do a lot of right who does some love it i don't know okay i know no i mean i i love the

00:19:24.800 flavors the the floral elements elderberry or whatever the fuck but it does it's just it for

00:19:29.900 me it's just about you know what it does to my head it's a little sweet isn't it hangover wild 0.66

00:19:34.900 but um yeah it can be so it's gin dry vermouth you've got a twist in there

00:19:42.200 you've got an olive on a toothpick the beauty of this beverage so that's the one i saw on

00:19:51.880 the simplicity yes now it's very interesting because first of all we were obviously talking

00:19:56.860 about martinis with an olive and a twist right yes so there's something going on here so i guess

00:20:01.820 i'm just saying it again except it's on ice no no this is new because this wasn't a martini this

00:20:06.960 was a 50 50 this wasn't a dirty martini plus a twist this was its own cocktail clearly right

00:20:12.960 wait a second or is it is it or is it wait now i'm because isn't a isn't a classic martini

00:20:20.320 gin and vermouth yes was i drinking martinis okay here we go all right and i think what was

00:20:30.020 really exciting about is that it was served on rocks no i know i know all right all right let's

00:20:34.000 get the info now okay here we go then we'll unpack this then we'll unpack we've got we've

00:20:38.300 got equal parts gin to dry vermouth which i think that's what it is vermouthy but it was it was

00:20:44.220 great and then this recipe calls for orange bitters and lemon twist they did lemon twist

00:20:50.620 and the olive and okay it was so beautiful now here's a question and this is a big question and

00:20:58.640 i know the answer is no but it might be less no than we realize yeah is the olive and the twist

00:21:04.300 are they props are they no they're not props are they how are they how is their flavor actually

00:21:10.540 dissolving into the drink is it kate it is i just have to tell you that it is no it is and here's

00:21:15.240 what they do first of all i i suspect they're taking the twist doing the thing where they

00:21:20.600 don't light it on fire because that again makes it's like a whole other towel you know it's like

00:21:26.320 They take it, squeeze it, so some of the citrus goes flying into the air and into the drink.

00:21:33.300 Okay.

00:21:34.340 An aerosol of sorts?

00:21:35.400 Yes, it is there.

00:21:36.340 I'm here to say it is there.

00:21:37.580 And the olive is there.

00:21:39.300 It's beyond aerosol.

00:21:40.400 Well, what's weird about the twist, right?

00:21:42.180 No, aerosol I was accepting is real.

00:21:44.940 I mean, you'd think by now we'd know the aerosols are real.

00:21:48.060 I always imagine there's something about the twist.

00:21:51.040 Like if you saw photography of a twist, right?

00:21:53.980 it's like it's coming off the lemon it's curling and there's sort of a burst of something happening

00:22:00.020 but it's just it's it's sort of like i don't know i often feel like with a martini are you

00:22:05.880 tasting orange bitters but visually seeing well i guess i would say it doesn't matter you never

00:22:11.000 know and who cares right who cares the magic of who cares when you're ordering another one

00:22:15.040 who cares when you're ordering another one and then you go to another bar and go

00:22:17.880 i want that's what i want and then you're ordering another i went to in a bar after

00:22:22.400 and got a gin martini with a twist and an olive.

00:22:25.380 And it was sublime.

00:22:26.360 Now, when you say twist and an olive,

00:22:29.020 are they, like, completely knowing?

00:22:31.460 Like, or is there any shock?

00:22:32.880 They're knowing instantly.

00:22:34.360 This is not a shocking thing.

00:22:35.800 I thought it was shocking, but it's not.

00:22:37.040 Yeah, okay.

00:22:38.040 That's what the last few months have taught me.

00:22:39.800 You're waiting for them to gasp and applaud. 0.67

00:22:42.540 To go, you know, not a lot of women know that. 0.94

00:22:45.320 Not a lot of women have the courage to order that. 0.97

00:22:47.700 I know. 0.99

00:22:48.840 I know.

00:22:49.200 I know.

00:22:53.360 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:22:57.420 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:23:02.620 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:23:06.640 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:23:07.980 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:23:11.620 No, I am not your guru.

00:23:15.380 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:23:18.000 I lied to police.

00:23:19.280 I lied to everybody.

00:23:20.000 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:23:23.260 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:23:25.920 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:23:28.740 whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:23:32.080 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:23:35.000 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:23:36.680 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:23:39.600 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:23:42.660 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:23:43.940 This is The Red Weather.

00:23:46.980 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app,

00:23:49.440 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:24:19.440 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:24:49.440 yeah you're coming from like business or pleasure i'm like a little bit of both if i find the time

00:24:53.600 is that like you're like you like a hat box and your passport oh the papers another stamp in my

00:24:59.960 passport wouldn't you believe it and then did you bring anything i said i said i mean with you once

00:25:04.440 you know what did you bring with you and i was like nothing but a bikini or something like it

00:25:08.340 flew out of me like i turned into like a 40s whatever yeah yeah and like you know unamused

00:25:14.560 And then when they're unamused by feminine gestures, I get harder.

00:25:19.120 Then I turn to rage.

00:25:21.240 Then you go harder?

00:25:22.720 No, so not.

00:25:23.200 Well, I first go harder.

00:25:24.860 I first plummet deeper somehow.

00:25:27.080 You know, and then, I don't know.

00:25:29.420 There's some kind of dynamic that happens at those booths.

00:25:33.520 Well, because it's erotic.

00:25:35.320 Is that what it is?

00:25:36.280 I think there's an eroticism.

00:25:38.160 See, I feel like a terror.

00:25:39.860 I mean, well.

00:25:40.420 No, there's absolute terror.

00:25:43.140 Intertwined, but.

00:25:43.840 no there's there's there's the terror of like the state being surveilled you know all of this

00:25:50.160 but there's also this the the roles are so locked in that it becomes erotic like it's that's why 0.97

00:25:56.640 it's like all this shit is what is fodder for like role play because it's just like i'm the 0.99

00:26:00.800 customs agent and i'm behind this booth in my in my uniform and you're the little whore who's trying 0.99

00:26:05.460 to go to paris it's like very it's so it's just pure theater and then and also the interaction 0.93

00:26:13.820 is so brief it's like in your whole your your personality your store your life is reduced i

00:26:21.500 mean you're also in their their hands yeah facts dates money coming back how long you're staying

00:26:27.960 what i don't know yeah it's nothing you're merely a body and then there's also um like i was just

00:26:33.820 thinking what would it feel like for me it's bondage it's like bondage it's like lo-fi bondage

00:26:38.460 yeah like imagine imagine like oh you can just go through the e-gate you know some of the

00:26:46.620 efforts of the e-gates and someone going i prefer them i choose the person no bloodless e-gates

00:26:53.040 no bloodless e-gates for me

00:26:54.980 but i'm just wondering what it would i think i also feel like if i don't perform femininity

00:27:02.160 there's more of a risk of getting

00:27:04.620 like held so like

00:27:06.980 like I'm just wondering what it would feel like to go

00:27:08.940 through like embodying more of

00:27:10.900 my masculine energies okay

00:27:12.440 if I went if I like literally picture me in like a

00:27:14.820 tweed blazer okay and like a

00:27:16.780 fedora just let's just you know

00:27:18.640 take it to the limit okay

00:27:20.140 yeah with a parrot on your shoulder yeah

00:27:22.380 and I go

00:27:24.340 I go great I go

00:27:26.080 me trying to be a man I say greetings okay

00:27:28.660 yeah

00:27:29.580 you say greetings though

00:27:31.880 yeah and i already say greetings i know it's ridiculous um i guess it would just be a nod

00:27:39.140 right hello yeah okay yeah i can't do it afternoon afternoon afternoon how are you staying four days

00:27:46.500 you know like business or pleasure business you don't even believe it on a little girl you think

00:27:52.980 you know i don't know it's nothing but it's it's something i clocked it's to be perceived by a

00:27:59.800 customs agent is to finally be perceived well to be seen archetypally as a woman to finally to be

00:28:08.460 reduced yeah you're reduced to pure just yeah it there's a there's a there's a freedom in the

00:28:15.360 reduction of it what about the face you make okay like pull down your mask please so we can see your

00:28:20.160 face oh yeah the clocking of your own identity via your face how do you hold your face because

00:28:26.780 and when they take that little photo do you smile well no because you're not supposed to really

00:28:31.660 smile on your passport photos you're trying to like match it you know that they stop you right

00:28:36.880 oh that's right yeah they stop you why is that they like bring it down because they want to be

00:28:43.160 able to surveil you when you're like leaving the scene of a crime and you're stoic i think i think

00:28:48.200 so i think i think they want to like match the security cam footage of you leaving the murder

00:28:53.280 i had a violent nut allergy happened in a restaurant in um oh let's talk about it

00:29:02.680 in london so i stayed at the laslett i was treated like royalty thanks to

00:29:06.480 poog listener okay laslett not again i have to do this to be performing in soho you know busy

00:29:14.020 whatever and then um but then retire to left to the laslett talk to me about this really quickly

00:29:19.340 because i'm going to soho myself in the summer london traffic famous like how was the commute

00:29:25.240 we can talk about this off poog it's too boring i mean it was long but i mean you're not long but

00:29:31.100 i i didn't mind 40 minutes in the car no it wasn't 40 it was probably more like 25 25

00:29:37.560 something about 25 minutes is so long but the sightseeing for me i i don't know i don't know

00:29:44.780 i am going back in june as you know at leicester square a couple dates on sale god the fact that

00:29:49.960 we're not there at the same time is a devastation i won't even recall for you for years i'll recall

00:29:55.240 so i had an experience and frankly the laslett really helped me out okay now it was very

00:30:02.060 interesting because i didn't have an epi pen with me okay why because all i have is one from like

00:30:08.840 1992. And I don't know. OK. Oh, by the way, by the way, it happened. The zipper flew off my

00:30:15.160 Ziploc. Folks, it's sealed from the gods. Can't open it. OK. OK. OK. Look, look. It's finally

00:30:24.860 sealed. Finally sealed. OK. Can you believe it? I mean, who knew? Who knew? It's so funny. But you

00:30:32.540 good trap in there yeah if you don't know we're referencing a past boog episode oh oh they know 0.99

00:30:39.060 oh they know and if they don't they can only blame themselves so so it was pretty interesting

00:30:44.460 it was a scenario where a restaurant had like a chart they bring out for allergies to let you know

00:30:50.100 which are contaminated so you see a chart you feel pretty confident whatever wow chart it was uh

00:30:56.160 it was an egg dish and i go i'm retiring to the lazlet immediately okay the second i tasted i

00:31:03.320 realized and i know that it hits your lips and you're like i'm having an allergic reaction

00:31:07.300 instantly yeah the mouth goes and it goes hard okay a g mouth whatever and i'm like i gotta get

00:31:13.940 to my liquid benadryl which is the thing that normally knocks it out and i go back i go to the

00:31:19.160 room i take the liquid benadryl it's pretty bad and it's like i'm really like it's not cutting out

00:31:23.660 it's specific kind of like sometimes it's really bad and i'm like this is i'm hoping it's not going

00:31:29.300 to progress i just keep drinking more and more liquid benadryl and then it gets to the vomiting

00:31:33.160 and it's just it's a it's a horrible kind of vomiting because it's like i know that the entire

00:31:39.360 lining of my whatever uh stomach is like it's it's like what's happening my mouth is happening

00:31:46.320 down there this this itchy inflammation is just freaking out and going no no no yeah so it's like 0.94

00:31:52.620 it's violent vomiting i'm doing this thing where like fuck i'm banging my like legs on the ground 0.92

00:31:58.200 like with the hell of it okay so i'm like great like down below they're hearing like my feet 0.96

00:32:02.600 and it's sort of this thing chris is like you know it's like do you want me in there or not

00:32:06.880 kind of yeah yeah you know the classic like i remember my mother used to hold my forehead

00:32:13.600 almost when i was vomiting and technically that was like discomfort or something but it's actually

00:32:19.120 kind of unpleasant you know that's something that i'm realizing this i feel like this is

00:32:23.360 an indication of how pampered i was as a child or something yeah when i would vomit i would vomit

00:32:29.800 my mom would put down a blanket my mom would put a towel on the floor and i'd puke onto this

00:32:36.940 okay this is so funny because i was about to say i was gonna say you're like i was so 0.69

00:32:40.720 like pampered that i was gonna go free vomit

00:32:43.040 so you sort of just like you're upright you're sitting in a in a nice chair and you just sort

00:32:51.920 of you just sort of cough it out wherever it goes it goes oh and then it's cleaned later

00:32:57.900 well no but something about that i have this memory it's like oh the love of my mother yeah

00:33:02.680 you don't recall being toilet bound i can see like me like on the carpeted floor of my bedroom just

00:33:08.940 like heaving like throwing up onto the floor but that she put towels down and I can feel the feeling

00:33:15.320 of her oh like I'm done and her like taking the towel away the relief when her spiriting away with

00:33:22.160 the towel and like what did she do like she like that's the thing about parenting it's like what

00:33:27.160 she do like throw it away she like wiped the like oh god that's a lot of work well I wonder well I

00:33:34.380 was talking about it because Chris was saying you know there was like a bucket like a specific bucket

00:33:37.940 that like came out from under the sink when someone was like and like flew you know it was

00:33:42.360 like the puke bucket that sat next to the bed right and then I was like oh I think for us it

00:33:46.940 was just like like almost like a bathroom waste waste can was put next to the bed with a plastic

00:33:52.400 bag in it for like you know if you can't make it to the bathroom kind of and then so funny but there

00:33:58.560 is something I mean when you actually experience relief and and if people have to skip this they

00:34:02.960 have to skip this I know some people can't hear about vomiting without nothing like the post vomit

00:34:06.700 relief nothing like it on this when you finally realize that you're at least you've you're done

00:34:11.160 for the moment unreal unreal well i was gonna ask do you go to god because that's when i get

00:34:17.780 one of the areas i get really religious is around vomit or diarrhea like that's when you

00:34:22.780 you finally are reduced to just a quivering flesh right right praying to the porcelain god or

00:34:30.400 whatever is like the cliche right like is like the crass expression something like that oh oh

00:34:36.460 If you're puking, you're praying to them.

00:34:38.900 Yeah, like, they're like, oh, I actually got it. 0.99

00:34:43.300 It's something like praying to the warzone gods.

00:34:45.460 It's like a cutesy, like, phrase, you know what I mean?

00:34:47.940 Yeah, I haven't heard that.

00:34:49.680 It's something like that.

00:34:50.440 I feel like I've got it, like, slightly wrong.

00:34:52.100 But there is something sort of, like, technically a toilet is kind of probably the nicest way to vomit.

00:34:58.540 Oh, yeah.

00:34:58.960 The way you kind of can rest your arms on it, okay, and it's there for you.

00:35:05.320 I've never done that.

00:35:06.460 i've never done that i try to make a little wait i have your own toilet with your own toilet

00:35:10.620 never no no i just some even though it's clean but i can't oh i give over i'm at war you know

00:35:17.320 here's a question for you something about puking in a toilet does this ever happen to you because

00:35:22.860 i really so rarely puke thank god yeah i get so grossed out by the fact that my face is in the 0.65

00:35:29.040 toilet that it makes you vomit more totally i think that's one of the gifts of the toilet

00:35:34.600 okay the usage of the toilet encourages more this is really killing me i mean that's why

00:35:43.140 that's where you that's where you gotta be careful actually because

00:35:48.360 you want that's why your toilet must be clean okay because you don't you don't want secondary

00:35:54.320 vomiting help secondary repulsion oh god don't don't helping no it's more just in theory it's

00:36:03.220 like grosses me out so much well i've vomited outside multiple times due to car sickness yeah

00:36:09.160 okay and it's real like it is so not me being trying to be fashionable or whatever okay it's

00:36:15.340 like yeah it's like there are the times i didn't pull over i threw up in my purse in my own purse

00:36:19.640 oh my god no i think i'm that's real noblesse on my mark to to instantly protect the vehicle

00:36:28.160 who's ever throw up in my own handbag okay i know but so i've thrown up a fair amount outside and

00:36:35.100 that choosing a spot in a pinch on a sidewalk yeah because i look around i don't want to destroy

00:36:40.780 at someone's day and sort of trying to find something that can go behind but you're but

00:36:45.260 you are technically puking in the street yeah it will be covered but it's like what is it like to

00:36:50.840 puke in the middle of a wild field of flowers do you know i mean is it any better is the question

00:36:54.980 or do you kind of want to be in i don't know there's just this was a pristine hotel is pretty

00:37:02.780 good for for it but pristine yeah hotel's pretty good it better be pristine i mean if it's absolutely

00:37:09.340 pristine if it's surgical yeah and this was this this was almost like i think this might have been

00:37:14.280 like a toto oh there was no area there was nothing there was no caulking you know what i mean like

00:37:20.940 there was no area it like came purely out of the wall that's floating i think yeah floating so you

00:37:26.900 want it floating because the base is where hell can accrue the base god you know like cleaning 1.00

00:37:32.380 a toilet like around the base those the curvature the feminine curves of a toilet's base like because 0.54

00:37:40.000 the porcelain's working around like working around pipes i guess yeah and like just trying to get in

00:37:45.260 there oh the crevices yeah like how it's we wait for reinvention we wait we wait we wait

00:37:54.100 now Emma tour manager right is freaked out obviously and what can we do what needs to be

00:38:02.180 done whatever and do you need an epipen blah blah and I'm like no most likely I don't but the

00:38:06.680 allergies get do get worse so there's always a risk that okay this is the time that my throat

00:38:11.380 closes and i'm like i'm in you know i know that water bottle hay is it by hay oh no i see it

00:38:20.200 oh this is a hydroflax no i see it now i see it now okay flask yeah so i'm like deciding i'm like

00:38:27.600 do i just preventatively go to the like i'm like do i go to the hospitals or anything they can do

00:38:33.360 for me because i have a show that night and it's the night that the reviewers are coming

00:38:37.280 so the the kind of drama oh the anxiety what time what time are you puking what give me the time

00:38:44.640 three oh yeah scary so could have been two who knows and so two things happen one emma calls

00:38:52.680 the nh she dials one one one okay which is the thing there okay that's exciting she puts me

00:38:58.940 through she's not even in the room okay she's like i'm putting them through to your room okay

00:39:03.420 it's the nhs i'm like i don't even know what this means but yeah it sounds familiar okay

00:39:07.080 i'm like i guess i'm getting on 9-1-1 and basically my question is like even if i can breathe is there

00:39:12.720 any benefit to me coming in is there anything you can do for me that my liquid bed like right is

00:39:16.160 this like if you give me fluids will i you know whatever yeah or do i just go in there and like

00:39:21.020 wait on the off chance that this is the time that like i can't breathe and you guys can stab me with

00:39:25.240 an epi pen so i like hello okay like this is the idea like what are your symptoms or whatever okay

00:39:31.640 i'm like i'm having an allergic reaction to a nut i've had them you know throughout my life i've

00:39:36.320 taking liquid Benadryl, you know, violently vomiting, whatever, it's pretty bad, you know,

00:39:39.920 whatever. I'm trying to go somewhere with this. And they slow it down and it becomes like,

00:39:44.760 we need to gather the information. It's like they're doing a debrief for paperwork six years

00:39:49.820 from now. Yeah. They literally go, we can only log one symptom or whatever. Okay. So which would

00:39:56.380 you say is your... It's automated? Primary symptom. No, it's a woman. It's a person. Okay.

00:40:02.680 And she's like, I'm like, it's an allergic reaction.

00:40:05.620 There's a variety of, like, that's what's happening.

00:40:07.800 You know what I mean?

00:40:08.220 And it'd be like, what's your symptom of your heart attack or whatever.

00:40:10.800 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:11.700 I'm like, I guess the vomiting.

00:40:13.680 Would you say that it's getting in the way of your ability to perform daily tasks such as make a cup of tea or read a book?

00:40:25.020 No.

00:40:25.660 Yes.

00:40:25.840 No.

00:40:26.880 No.

00:40:27.700 Isn't that insane?

00:40:28.920 Oh, my God.

00:40:29.520 It was so weird.

00:40:30.600 And eventually I just said, I'm going to go.

00:40:36.860 I just go, I'm going to hang up now.

00:40:38.780 They didn't say make a cup of tea.

00:40:41.440 Literally.

00:40:42.220 That is unimaginable.

00:40:44.460 Prepare a couple, read a book, your favorite book.

00:40:47.480 Okay, that's not an English accent.

00:40:48.760 It's just the spirit of the thing, okay?

00:40:51.400 So anyway, but then the best thing ever, and this is like, God, you know, it's like, oh, this hotel, they gave me like some free spa services.

00:40:58.900 We'll talk about that.

00:40:59.560 I make no promises, but yeah, I probably will mention on Pooh.

00:41:02.220 I'm about to tell a story of utter heroism by a man there.

00:41:06.640 Oh my God, okay.

00:41:07.420 Whose name is Ian, and if he doesn't want the story out there...

00:41:10.040 Why wouldn't he?

00:41:10.880 I guess we can cut his name.

00:41:12.600 But anyway, he's visible on the website too, like smiling next to like...

00:41:16.040 Well, I'm going to meet him when I go to London.

00:41:17.620 Yeah.

00:41:19.460 So it's like, yes, I would feel a lot better if I had an EpiPen,

00:41:22.780 knowing that I have the thing that if I can't breathe, I can stab myself.

00:41:25.380 And just like in...

00:41:26.940 I was lying there, I go, you know, Pulp Fiction.

00:41:29.560 To Chris, because that's a stab, a stabber in the heart chest plate.

00:41:32.740 Yeah.

00:41:33.220 The adrenaline, you come back.

00:41:34.700 So Ian calls his quote.

00:41:37.440 I hear this all secondhand.

00:41:38.800 Okay.

00:41:38.960 For Emma.

00:41:39.680 Ian calls, quote, a dolgy doctor friend.

00:41:43.860 Okay.

00:41:44.600 Who, who, who calls in a prescription for an EpiPen for Ian.

00:41:50.400 Ian and Emma head off to the pharmacy.

00:41:53.640 Ian does a full performance of having an allergic reaction.

00:41:58.600 Stop.

00:41:59.560 stop this is unbelievable he's like i've had a knot and my doctor says i need that epi pen

00:42:05.060 okay he's fanning himself no he's fanning himself okay yes and emma's seeing all this and then like

00:42:11.900 and then like on the way out he's like suck what a star can you believe and they sent flowers to

00:42:17.320 the room stop yeah by the way a tear could form because you know what it's just and you know what 0.92

00:42:25.900 i'm feeling sorrow for yeah people who don't have like the care the love that you receive

00:42:32.260 oh like oh like imagine oh it's utter i mean it's it's death or worse i mean this was a

00:42:39.880 this was hotel this is what you dream about happening

00:42:44.260 but like the staff coming together that's beyond an elaborate ruse to save your life

00:42:55.300 yeah i've never gotten an epipen that i went years without an epipen because i couldn't get 0.98

00:43:01.120 a doctor because like you know i'm fucking sick it's just a whole fucking thing and then and then 0.95

00:43:06.320 you know and then welcome the welcome to the usa okay where now i'm in a prior authorization hell 0.99

00:43:11.520 around some one of my meds my beloved my beloved migraine shot suddenly costs six times what it

00:43:19.300 cost last month i'm sorry more than that i can't do math 12 no i mock the nhs you know and yet

00:43:26.120 they're going into boots there and being like i know you from the aisles of target where boots

00:43:32.300 is like a luxury line do you know i'm talking about i know oh my god so i've gotten into this

00:43:36.340 with my mom because my mom always going went to you know go to london be like boots and it was fun

00:43:41.300 it would go together get the lotions and whatnot she somehow had all these like boots serums and

00:43:47.880 And I remember this was like so cruel. 0.84

00:43:49.880 I said to her not too long ago, I was like, oh, no, you know, it's trash, right? 0.91

00:43:54.020 Or I was like, I was like, I was like, it's loaded with toxins, mother. 0.77

00:43:58.140 It's it's Rite Aid.

00:43:59.500 It's their Rite Aid.

00:44:01.220 And she was like, really?

00:44:02.160 My like sweet mother, my like sweet, innocent. 1.00

00:44:04.640 Yeah, that's so I'm such a bitch. 0.99

00:44:07.700 And also the way you doubted her product imbued it. 0.99

00:44:10.540 I was like, it's not good.

00:44:13.440 Yeah.

00:44:13.780 Meanwhile, she's like absolutely ravishing at 78.

00:44:16.520 Yeah.

00:44:16.660 nary a cc of botox oh wow

00:44:20.460 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:44:30.560 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:44:37.300 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs so no i am not

00:44:43.700 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:44:50.960 There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

00:44:53.740 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:45:02.820 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:45:07.400 They have had this case for 30 years. 1.00

00:45:10.320 I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00

00:45:12.900 boom boom this is the red weather listen to the red weather on the iheart radio app apple podcasts 1.00

00:45:21.060 or wherever you get your podcasts crook and chase nashville chats with the coolest cat in country

00:45:27.880 music he is edgy he's fun he is chase matthew keith urban helped make him a global sensation

00:45:33.800 last year but it's his recent number one hit darling that put chase on the map

00:45:37.560 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:45:42.840 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:45:45.720 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:45:48.440 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:45:58.260 My mother's using and loving.

00:46:00.660 She asks me what's a good moisturizer, okay, or whatever.

00:46:03.460 I run and I order something for her because it's just the easiest way you try this this yes you 0.97

00:46:09.340 know whatever and I send them and then she she goes she flies into a fit of how much did it cost

00:46:14.340 so she can pay me back very sweet yeah it's just like it's like an ongoing uh thing it's like let

00:46:21.680 me have the pleasure I have something to say what let her pay me back biology crochet no I'm sorry

00:46:28.880 I'm just, I'm going quickly to skincare to say I went off the iconic 1970 P50 lotion.

00:46:34.820 Okay.

00:46:35.240 I can't believe you're bringing this up.

00:46:36.400 It's called lotion, but of course it's a toner.

00:46:38.360 Right.

00:46:38.920 I went off of it for several months. 0.92

00:46:42.220 A, because it's so stinky. 0.80

00:46:46.580 Right.

00:46:46.840 And I was like, you don't really want to be like, it's vinegar, right?

00:46:48.960 To your lover every night.

00:46:50.100 Like, sorry.

00:46:51.500 You know? 0.98

00:46:52.320 So, so stinky. 0.93

00:46:53.680 What's the beauty for ultimately? 0.97

00:46:56.060 Ultimately?

00:46:56.460 I mean, surely it's not for our lovers, but.

00:46:58.880 So I went off of it for months. 0.96

00:47:02.180 The skin did change, and not for the best, not for the better.

00:47:07.380 Now I'm back on.

00:47:08.680 You're coming around again.

00:47:10.400 And I see, I see, I see it.

00:47:12.940 I see the difference of, I'm sorry, the daily P50 use.

00:47:16.780 Okay, hold on.

00:47:17.380 I've heard people go, oh, I don't use it every day.

00:47:19.920 But my dermatologist says, morning and night, honey.

00:47:23.420 The bottle says that?

00:47:24.220 Is that what you said?

00:47:25.280 And I'll do, yeah.

00:47:27.040 I believe the bottle says that.

00:47:28.000 says that but my laurie my dermatologist or not dermatologist facialist says and she says and

00:47:34.740 don't forget the neck honey what protect the neck and she always says don't forget the neck oh yeah

00:47:40.640 anyway i was uh strolling down that luxury sort of melrose place sort of spots that that

00:47:49.540 where there's yeah you know what i'm talking about okay it's a shock to me

00:47:53.740 Skin care?

00:47:54.640 There's everything there.

00:47:55.700 It's like there's like the Rachel Comey store.

00:47:58.900 You know, that stretch.

00:48:00.360 Oh, yeah.

00:48:00.540 Are you talking about Rodeo?

00:48:01.700 Sorry.

00:48:02.180 Are you talking about?

00:48:03.240 No, it's like Melrose.

00:48:04.400 On Melrose.

00:48:05.300 It's like where that like Alfred coffee is.

00:48:07.920 You know what I'm talking about?

00:48:08.780 Okay.

00:48:09.440 It's like a little stretch.

00:48:10.080 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:48:10.760 Oh, the Croft Alley, the Santa Maria novella, the amazing Italian psycho fragrance.

00:48:20.420 Yeah.

00:48:21.260 So I'm walking there and I'm just shocked because it's just such a strange California,

00:48:26.020 Los Angeles exotic thing to me.

00:48:28.820 Very strange intersection.

00:48:30.540 Yeah.

00:48:30.900 Like this particular version.

00:48:32.720 It's like as though you're in like the smallest.

00:48:34.900 And aren't people kind of mean?

00:48:36.740 Well, yeah, there's definitely like a stench there. 1.00

00:48:38.540 There's such fucking assholes down there. 1.00

00:48:40.220 There's something about like, and even like that coffee shop you go in. 1.00

00:48:43.840 I don't know.

00:48:44.240 There's something weird about it.

00:48:45.740 No, everyone, I have a really strong memory of running into this girl.

00:48:50.980 I say girl because I've known her kind of since I was like 13, so she's forever frozen.

00:48:55.300 I was like, the prettiest girl in the world, and I'm the hag who has nothing.

00:49:00.020 And I ran into her, and I was like wearing the thing I had worn the previous night. 1.00

00:49:04.700 No.

00:49:05.680 I'm saying no, implying her reaction, not yours.

00:49:09.340 I ran into her wearing the previous night's outfit. 0.88

00:49:11.220 she was like she's eternally in like bleached like linen like oat linen yeah she's like permanent 1.00

00:49:18.180 and here's what's crazy about her too impeccable skin but like tan like a 90s perfect tan interesting

00:49:27.460 that i can only assume must be her natural tone a lotion tan no it's like she's like she's like

00:49:33.620 using i just remember once seeing her feet in flip-flops and i was like what like i was

00:49:40.660 themselves were also yeah like full body tan like spray tan almost but it looks so good

00:49:47.900 it looked great yeah and anyway this this story is of course nothing just to say the last i'm

00:49:55.920 i'm haunted by that intersection because i remember running into her and um i'd never felt

00:50:01.540 more ugly in my life yeah it feels scary there like i this is like i walked i feel like a like

00:50:07.720 a slob there like big time oh yeah like i have to like lean into that i suddenly feel like the

00:50:12.300 most eccentric you know absolutely weirdo in the world yeah yeah even walking into the apc denim 0.89

00:50:17.580 because it's like museum like there's like a single hanging bar with like with all the items

00:50:22.420 you know as you look through them you're like messing it up and then you're like thank you

00:50:25.960 okay yeah and why am i there in this oh but but i saw a huge thing there's like a biologique

00:50:32.860 research spa stop store opening what what it's not open yet i sent you a pic it's not opening yet

00:50:40.740 it's like you know but it was like spring 2022 or something so it's like it's coming this is

00:50:45.180 unheard of this is this is earth shattering selling the products because you can only get

00:50:49.540 them online or now neiman marcus wow wow and then uh so i was like oh my god is that

00:50:56.180 is that something but where was i just reading about oh but i was just revisiting the because

00:51:03.660 i've you know nary a drop nary a pea-sized drop of biologique recherche has ever landed upon my

00:51:10.940 face yeah and uh well you don't need it the thing with the p50 lotion and you start to go like well

00:51:18.280 have we missed do we not know what lotion is was the was is the word lotion a french word that just

00:51:23.200 means like potion serum and we took it and turned it into lubriderm yeah yeah so the p50 is a toner

00:51:32.700 that exfoliates right it's got it's like fruit acids so i believe it says on the it's a it

00:51:38.280 exfoliates it hydrates right to do both at once sounds nearly impossible yeah well i'm here to

00:51:47.900 say it does well i had a facial recently and i thought that felt like a child's facial okay like

00:51:53.440 like they put me in the chair damn it can you hear me that sorry that just went out for me i

00:51:57.380 didn't hear you after you said i had a facial recently we're still recording she's gone but 0.96

00:52:05.000 let's see if she comes back in i'm gonna pretend i was still talking and didn't notice she was gone

00:52:10.960 and it's just the thing is that she just goes um and oh my god and and i'm thinking she actually

00:52:19.020 believes it and i'm realizing that it's so funny because like that's the thing when these things

00:52:25.120 happen i have to call her okay kate i know i know i was faking you out i was faking you out

00:52:31.880 i was faking you out i was pretending that i was talking all time no you were fake was all that

00:52:36.940 deleted no it's also 53 minutes or whatever i don't know how it works it's also magical to me

00:52:42.020 i think we're fine i really do we'll check after we're done we're not that far away but literally

00:52:46.540 so so i see you go away and i'm like okay she's gone you know let's wait for her to come back and

00:52:50.040 then i go oh my god she's coming back and i go i'm gonna pretend that i've been talking this

00:52:53.520 whole time and didn't notice she got booted okay i told the listener that's very sweet okay well

00:53:01.200 i'm glad and meanwhile and then uh i started in and i was just because it's so like me just

00:53:05.400 blathering on and you go you're like Jacqueline you go she's still talking

00:53:11.960 my finest acting okay oh but I got I got ozone therapy in the recharge room in the basement of

00:53:21.540 the laslett basement sounds hideous but it wasn't a basement it was a gorgeous converted room but

00:53:26.620 tell me about what that is I got in a chamber I posted on poog what you got a sad text sorry

00:53:34.640 No, no.

00:53:35.120 I'm looking at it.

00:53:35.740 I want to read quickly what P50 is because I read it and I go, 0.98

00:53:38.580 God damn, they're right. 0.97

00:53:40.360 Exfoliating, purifying, toning. 0.99

00:53:42.700 Lotion P50 is an amazing vitamin-enriched exfoliating lotion

00:53:46.280 that gently purifies, hydrates, tones, controls sebum.

00:53:50.540 Wow.

00:53:51.480 And balances the skin, visibly improving many common skin conditions, 0.68

00:53:55.340 including whiteheads, blackheads, and symptoms of rosacea. 0.99

00:53:58.400 Damn. 1.00

00:53:59.920 Uh-huh. 1.00

00:54:00.780 Now, you know what?

00:54:02.140 I'd love to hear it in the original French.

00:54:04.060 Because the nuance, it was created in France, right?

00:54:09.800 I want to hear it in the original French.

00:54:11.200 Oh, absolutely.

00:54:12.920 Okay, it reminds me of one time I was headed to Russia in college for this, you know, thing.

00:54:19.580 And I think I took all my anxiety into decanting products and organizing them, like in advance of travel.

00:54:26.180 And not only did I decant products, but I pasted little like sticker, ornate little stickers onto the plastic bottles.

00:54:31.720 and I rewrote like stuff that had been on the original packaging on it.

00:54:35.320 Wow.

00:54:36.160 So not just like lotion.

00:54:37.440 I was like, I literally wrote fortify with proteins and ceramides.

00:54:42.640 Fortify with proteins and ceramides.

00:54:45.980 I wrote it on the package.

00:54:48.220 I feel like my mother found me like, you know what I mean?

00:54:53.340 In the throes of ecstasy?

00:54:54.520 In the throes of labeling ecstasy.

00:54:58.260 But okay, I'm pretty excited because one, oh, but ozone therapy,

00:55:01.720 You know, it's funny because we were trying to protect the ozone layer.

00:55:05.200 Remember they were like, it's back, which is like unheard of.

00:55:08.180 Like, you know, they were like, do you remember when they were like,

00:55:09.860 the ozone healed because we stopped using hairspray?

00:55:12.980 That messaging?

00:55:14.800 Curious to look that up.

00:55:16.000 For some reason, they're like ozone therapy and you're like, ooh.

00:55:18.120 Because for some reason, like, you almost think like ozone is like something bad.

00:55:20.720 It's like as if when the whole thing was we were trying to save it.

00:55:23.500 Anyway, it's like form of oxygen, whatever I got in a chamber.

00:55:26.540 It feels like a light steam.

00:55:29.420 It's supposed to do all sorts of things.

00:55:30.860 who knows if it did but I like getting into a chamber I like getting into a pod I like them

00:55:37.660 telling me this is the future I saw an image of you in a pod I like a new device they also did

00:55:44.260 an RF a radio frequency and they were telling me about how they're the only place in London that

00:55:50.280 has this particular version of radio frequency it's also available in Los Angeles and New York

00:55:55.760 so we're gonna have to look into that they infused my skin with oxygen they did some kind of like

00:56:00.700 thing where it's shooting into you that was nice love that i love that but oh but what i was saying

00:56:07.560 before when i got cut off okay i'm just whatever is that i got a facial in los angeles i thought

00:56:12.880 to myself that was a child's facial okay no i go luckily it was luckily it was cheap but that was

00:56:19.360 that was what you give a 12 year old okay and you say you know you get to go with mommy and get to

00:56:25.200 lie in the chair too that that's like what i felt like my facial was oh steam sort of wafting across

00:56:29.940 my face when you say but there's when you say that you mean like no extractions very minimal

00:56:34.940 extractions where you're just like did you even do anything okay and like yeah and me being shocked

00:56:41.380 that it was over like no surely it can't be because here's the problem when here's my problem

00:56:48.000 with when i read facial menus and they describe the signature facial the oxygenating facial right

00:56:52.740 it'll say something like followed by a serum and i'm like product application is what you're doing

00:57:00.580 that's obscene i'm getting one dose of a serum that i let's say have purchased already and

00:57:07.140 have at home so let's say i'm in the yeah of course whatever if i'm even if i'm in the

00:57:12.320 biologique recherche okay and they're like and then we layer on p50 it's like p50 requires daily use

00:57:17.260 so how is and it costs let's say whatever it costs how is one application do you know what

00:57:23.640 i'm talking about like the products they leave on you at the end to me are like nothing that's just

00:57:28.500 the that's just getting you to dinner of course it better be that's why it's extraction it better be

00:57:35.300 like you better be doing something here oxygen microcurrent yeah anyway that's where i stand

00:57:41.880 right now and i am curious what's the best facial in los angeles what makes it the best facial los

00:57:46.480 Angeles and who's willing to bring me and Cape Verlant in to test it out. Exactly. And show us

00:57:52.480 the way that's what people have to step up and prove. And I'll just say this, that I never got

00:57:57.700 my free, I never got my free facial at face gym. Oh yeah. I know. Cause you didn't show up.

00:58:04.240 No, I mean, I mean, be clear. They didn't, they didn't not offer it to you. Um, but I'll go back

00:58:10.340 with you. No, no. I'd go in with you. It's really fun. I would love to let's get a facials next

00:58:16.160 week i would like i'd like to get in i also want to go to glen ivy springs or something do you know

00:58:20.900 this it's some kind of hot springs mineral thing i i've never actually been in a mud bath and i want

00:58:27.420 it indoors promise me we'll do it soon in the next like three weeks in the next three weeks

00:58:34.280 okay i want to be in the mud i love mud i used to i used to rub mud on myself in the

00:58:39.580 in the little creek behind my house and loved it and it was rich the only image the only image

00:58:47.080 that captivated me in house of gucci was salma and are they in are they in one next to each other

00:58:53.780 next to each other in individual they're in their own baths but they're next to each other

00:58:58.680 yes of course i want to say they're drinking champagne but that feels like an no they offer 0.78

00:59:04.060 it but candlelight always talking they're planning murder but they're in the mud no i wouldn't do 0.59

00:59:09.020 that so let's um let's put that together and this is a this is a call a battle cry to the listeners

00:59:16.180 to get us more of a yearning helpless cry versus a warrior's cry we're not running towards it with

00:59:24.420 our own funds it's more of a wah yeah yeah all right i can't wait so nice to talk to you again

00:59:33.240 i love you miss you

00:59:39.020 That was POOG.

00:59:41.100 If you enjoyed POOG, please subscribe, rate, and review.

00:59:44.840 If not, we will press charges.

00:59:52.760 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:59:56.320 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

01:00:00.680 It was nature, and trees, and praying, and drugs.

01:00:04.460 So no, I am not your guru.

01:00:07.680 And back then, I lied to everybody.

01:00:10.460 They have had this case for 30 years.

01:00:13.400 I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

01:00:17.160 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

01:00:23.380 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with the coolest cat in country music.

01:00:27.180 He is edgy, he's fun, he is Chase Matthews.

01:00:30.480 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year, but it's his recent number one hit,

01:00:34.700 darling to put chase on the map and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who

01:00:40.300 cheat and lie that's why i'm scared to get married you give me trust issues brother crook and chase

01:00:45.020 nashville chats with chase matthew listen and subscribe on the iheart radio app apple podcasts

01:00:50.400 or wherever you listen to podcasts this is an iheart podcast guaranteed human

Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 12, 2022

She's Still Talking

Episode Stats

Transcript