Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - NO BEDROOM NO KITCHEN

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00:02:08.720 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:10.160 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:11.260 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:16.040 Two untamable intellects.

00:02:17.780 This is our hobby. 0.97

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00:02:19.460 This is our naked desire for free products.

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00:02:23.180 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:02:24.620 micro dosing microbiome salt lamp good morning i woke up with like yeah just dead dead looking

00:02:38.040 skin and i ran to the drunk elephant glycolic or whatever peel you know that that stuff that

00:02:43.320 stuff that burns oh yeah the red top oh the baby facial the pink top no not the red top yeah

00:02:50.400 yeah the pink top oh yeah she burns squat yeah threw it on burned instantly well yeah and I mean

00:02:59.140 and I was like wow and I was like I needed I need it and and now I feel a little more alive thank

00:03:05.000 god you know I don't usually turn to skincare like that in the morning I feel alive so the magic of

00:03:11.960 the coffee shop the sort of culture yeah oh wow you've been there today already some things

00:03:18.660 happened with my at-home system suddenly the coffee is just not working it just doesn't taste

00:03:23.300 i mean it's just french press but anyway i woke up and i and the last i have to say a couple

00:03:29.140 mornings recently waking up doing the three block two block walk to the coffee shop taking in the

00:03:35.400 local flavors the dogs the children running and screaming it imbues the day with with um

00:03:40.480 with love no but it does do something well community of course i've already had a little

00:03:46.700 banter with the barista had a laugh and it's just the walk it's the it's the sheer i have like a

00:03:52.520 hard uphill and then it kind of flat lines to the coffee shop and it's just nice right the body's 0.93

00:03:57.940 engaged yeah to engage the ass upon waking and although i'll say this cup this cup of coffee 0.98

00:04:05.680 isn't great yeah i feel like the ass does not get engaged until later in the day the coffee's not 0.99

00:04:12.700 good i think it's ethiopian coffee that has that sort of like acidic edge do you know i'm talking 0.96

00:04:19.940 about and i was in a it was in a coffee shop on the road and it was like you go in and it's really

00:04:26.700 special and the whole thing and you can tell and it's bare bones you know it's surgical pristine

00:04:31.480 surgical yeah there's beakers everywhere and you go in and then it's like well what's your

00:04:37.300 favorite blend where you literally have to choose a blend you can't just say i'll have a coffee

00:04:40.400 and then like they take you through and i hate when this happens when you ask for a wreck and

00:04:44.960 they say the thing on the menu that you definitely don't want yeah of course then you have to like

00:04:49.280 back your way out of it so they're like well the citrus blend is our favorite like the one with

00:04:53.500 citrus notes and i was like oh no no i want chocolate i was like gonna go for the cherry

00:05:00.100 chocolate yeah yeah yeah i i went for the citrus the next time i came in and um you know it was a

00:05:05.760 whole performance about how not that i didn't like the other one but i just like to try all things

00:05:10.860 yeah you know there's this jewish sort of jewish mother thing i remember or my mother recounted to

00:05:16.120 me or something but just this sort of anecdote of like you know like the jewish mother mother

00:05:20.580 getting you blue shirt and a red shirt okay like like as a gift like two shirts red blue you come

00:05:26.260 down to the red plate and like the blue oh my god that's brilliant i've never heard that genius

00:05:33.260 god that's good yes right um someone told me um this jew joke that i didn't understand she said

00:05:41.280 what's what did she say what's a jewish i don't know if this is if this is if this is um bigotry

00:05:46.380 about like being cheap no it's not about being cheap or about retail if i hear the word retail

00:05:50.520 paying retail it's um what's a jewish girl's dream house and it's like 500 square feet no

00:05:57.400 bedroom no kitchen and i didn't understand what that meant and she was like because jewish women 0.84

00:06:02.240 don't like to have sex or cook oh my god which is not which is like so it's like you know it's 0.94

00:06:08.540 not trend or whatever but it like did make me laugh well no no no that's well it's a very i

00:06:13.980 mean to be whatever it's a very funny like joke structure for some reason you know exactly no 1.00

00:06:20.360 somehow it's funny the craft the craft is satisfying i'm always like jews are the horniest 1.00

00:06:25.200 people on earth well that i mean that's like the other like speaking for myself 1.00

00:06:30.120 I was shielded from

00:06:32.800 like from classic

00:06:34.740 Jewish stereotypes to a certain extent

00:06:36.700 as a child probably because

00:06:38.400 the town I lived in was full 1.00

00:06:40.540 half Jewish right so it's like 1.00

00:06:42.580 so you're not hearing

00:06:44.720 the playground jokes because 0.98

00:06:46.500 half the playground is already Jewish so it's like 1.00

00:06:48.640 same so then it's like

00:06:50.900 like later on in life people

00:06:52.700 like well you know like I've had a couple comments

00:06:54.580 after my show about like well you know what they say 0.99

00:06:56.600 about Jewish girls and blowjobs and I'm 0.95

00:06:58.680 like i i don't i'm so sorry i don't oh my god i literally don't know if the stereotype is that 0.99

00:07:04.700 like they you know they give them they do it anything before they do them or they you know

00:07:10.980 they're all dick rakes i don't know yeah and i'm just like i'm not god the way people want you to

00:07:16.160 like to like know and share in and partake in a given like like stereotype like that like a 0.71

00:07:23.820 cultural state you know what I mean like the way you know and it's like I don't it's like thank

00:07:28.120 god I don't yeah so I've been nowhere you know you've already been in a in a coffee shop feeling

00:07:35.260 that feeling oh my god that that bustle of the morning I even have my shoes up your shoes are

00:07:40.440 on right now I know which is a faux pas because I really do keep my shoes at the door yeah I was

00:07:44.920 running in here because I didn't want to be late and something about a shoe on does create a feeling

00:07:49.300 of like okay the day has begun you know there's something there and i changed my life subtly but

00:07:56.240 permanently by um investing in a comfortable walking shoe wow which i have to say i'm realizing

00:08:03.300 i for years what were you walking essentially were exclusively like healed boots what oh you

00:08:07.940 were tromping down the street your curls are sort of bouncing with the with the clamor of your boot

00:08:13.360 hitting the ground yeah slamming against pavement reverberating the spine the hard shoe hits the

00:08:18.540 ground. Yeah. And, um, I got these shoes and I liked them. I had never spent money on like a

00:08:25.020 shoe. Like if I'm like, Oh, I'm going to buy an expensive shoe. Right. It better be like glamorous

00:08:29.260 a high heel or a boot or glamorous in some way. It's not about comfort. Right. But I focused on

00:08:35.340 comfort this time and it is a nice, it's an attractive shoe. So I always thought you,

00:08:40.360 didn't you used to wear, um, weren't you sorry, but weren't you one of the few young women who

00:08:47.580 wasn't afraid to wear what's that brand it's like a worth of like scared camper no you wish okay

00:08:55.600 no um it was it's like a it's like it has a name that sounds like an 80s like aerosol

00:09:02.200 Birkenstock no once again no okay I mean like these are all you mean I was a young woman

00:09:08.240 is a tennis shoe brand no it's like heels that come with padding that like like that like your

00:09:14.220 mother would wear or something i'm telling you you were like i'm thinking they're great like um 0.75

00:09:19.840 shit i really want to know you know what i mean like and i was like really like i was like

00:09:26.060 impressed and excited it's like an 80s 90s brand for working women okay to achieve comfort while 0.99

00:09:32.940 it's like has a word like aerosol but it's not that on the go you know lady comfort god damn it

00:09:41.580 i don't know i still have to talk to her like anyway anyway but i was always impressed no

00:09:47.520 it'll come to me but it's always impressed yes go on well that's something again to interrupt you

00:09:53.240 the ortho this is something they got something that you inherit from your mother like i

00:09:57.420 absorbed in early life fear of hurting the back because my dad had like horrible back issues

00:10:02.760 and this idea of like comfort so for example i had a wheelie backpack at school which is like

00:10:07.780 oh right of course social suicide and so i was like by the way at that point i was dragging it

00:10:14.580 around behind you tiny i was so short i was like four foot eight and like eight pounds like i was

00:10:21.420 so tiny and then i had this huge wheelie backpack and that's cute it is cute now that i think about

00:10:27.780 it but i also absorbed this idea of like comfort like like it doesn't shock me that i but whatever

00:10:34.280 you're saying that sounds familiar I think about camper that I had yes this certain pair of camper

00:10:39.700 heel wedges that were like semi-hideous but really comfortable and I ended up buying three pairs of

00:10:45.260 them because like one of them I wore to the bone shredded them dead I bought another one and then

00:10:50.100 I realized well the shredded ones are now useless right I have to just give so those became my beach

00:10:54.260 sand wait this is huge yeah and then I had my so I had the same shoe instead of riding one down to

00:10:59.920 the very bone yeah yeah why not keep a couple injured if it's but actionable so one is really

00:11:08.180 a step-out shoe so you have your step-out shoe and then you have your for for what a quick

00:11:12.680 cocktail with a friend yeah so you have your step-out pair which is or step out onto the

00:11:17.420 porch to wave at a passerby i meant step out for cocktail hour and then you have your shredded one

00:11:24.960 that you can wear in the basement with the rats and you have your and then maybe you have another

00:11:29.760 one just for when the good ones become shredded i've only ever done that with one pair of shoe

00:11:34.560 so that you don't have to you don't have to so that you don't have to you're not left in the

00:11:38.340 paradox of not having a shoe to bring you to the store to buy a new shoe yeah and you can't go

00:11:43.240 you can't ride all the way to the bone it's no you can't and it's the fear of scarcity they're

00:11:47.940 going to discontinue because these brands discontinue okay they discontinue my father

00:11:54.020 always said you know don't get the um don't get suckered into the insurance policy at radio shack

00:11:59.480 or whatever or best buy where they you know that oh we'll cover your thing for three years

00:12:05.040 because then you pay up and then the business closes shuts down your policy is nothing but

00:12:11.720 best buy isn't gonna shut down no i get apple care of course they're gonna linger i've actually

00:12:17.060 been thinking i need to buy a new computer what if apple closed like what if apple went away now

00:12:23.240 be so amazing shuttered apple shutters apple shutters like today and we're like yeah uh

00:12:30.260 well i had a dream oh my god i had a dream about the linux system and that my friend had a six

00:12:37.100 like had a something that went beyond linux like even more what's i don't know but it's like that

00:12:43.240 it's like the third way by the way my computer has been begging me to upgrade for like weeks

00:12:48.020 i do that for years every damn day would you like to upgrade now and you hit later

00:12:52.880 later that that's almost my form of community in the morning okay your hello to the barista 0.93

00:12:58.880 was like me like seeing my thing being like you know the deal later as always

00:13:04.180 oh my god mine is begging me so hard that now if i watch something it's just in front of it

00:13:10.060 like it won't go away now it's like you have to do this yeah you have to live with that with that

00:13:13.800 window and i'm like what part of no isn't clear yeah well i i just got suckered into buying more

00:13:20.040 storage because i i record in full cinema mode my tracy anderson workouts and and i just had to

00:13:26.260 click on like yeah 9.99 apple just to not deal with it i need to work out with you to let them

00:13:33.260 god i've really i was afraid because in london i fell off and um you're back more than ever

00:13:39.260 i'm back baby i'm back and shit i'm a sicko you know i i of course there's i mean there's still 0.76

00:13:47.300 moments of whatever but but there is a oh that'll be my reward can you imagine the idea that the 0.93

00:13:53.020 workout's the reward like like okay well I should really work out first no you know what if I'll

00:13:58.160 make myself do my writing and then I'll reward myself with the movement unimaginable like the

00:14:04.820 other day I was mentally tired okay after a bit of writing I was like mentally fried and so I was

00:14:10.060 starting to go in the direction of nap right yeah I was like but my body's not what's tired here

00:14:14.700 right yeah so i popped on the mat instead holy shit i i long for that i did a live

00:14:24.640 with tracy anderson herself folks this is the first time to do a live class no i'm sorry live

00:14:30.320 class still online streaming were you invited in because you're a premium member or something

00:14:34.080 no no no no no to be clear any hog any hog um any hog with the live membership can tune in and

00:14:41.860 And they have all the great trainers and whatever.

00:14:43.440 But I happened to get in on one that Tracy was teaching.

00:14:46.880 And it was electric.

00:14:48.900 You know, you work out to the – no, you work out.

00:14:51.180 You sing along to the musical and then you see it live.

00:14:53.280 Something that never happened for me with Hamilton.

00:14:55.240 Oh, of course.

00:14:55.980 How exciting.

00:14:57.360 Never saw it.

00:15:03.260 This is Ryder Strong.

00:15:04.460 And I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:15:07.620 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:15:11.860 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:15:16.300 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:15:17.720 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:15:21.380 No, I am not your guru.

00:15:25.140 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:15:27.740 I lied to police.

00:15:29.020 I lied to everybody.

00:15:30.020 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:15:32.980 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:15:35.680 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:15:38.480 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:15:41.860 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:15:46.420 They have had this case for 30 years. 1.00

00:15:49.360 I'll teach you sons of bitches. Come around here and my wife. 1.00

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00:16:34.080 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:16:37.260 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories.

00:16:44.020 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 0.96

00:16:51.000 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.99

00:16:53.580 I'm going to climb this.

00:16:56.320 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:16:58.060 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:17:02.160 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:17:04.640 Is badness hereditary?

00:17:06.680 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:17:08.800 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:17:11.620 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

00:17:14.540 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:17:16.260 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:17:19.280 I'm not too intimidated by her.

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00:17:36.160 you know what i'm about to pop what might do it live on air my mushroom micro dose psilocybin

00:17:46.600 my little micro yeah let's hear about it tell me i just looked at it it's over there

00:17:51.420 another thing is classic uh me classic poop did it yesterday morning and then i was like this is

00:17:57.320 my life now like completely i was like at the coffee shop and i was like they don't know that

00:18:00.480 my life has changed right so the opposite of that thing when someone dies and you're suffering

00:18:05.440 profound grief and you're like look at these people they're like no realization that you know

00:18:11.480 right so tell us everything there's not even that i mean this is again you know you're hearing a lot

00:18:16.400 about this and then the press and the in the articles and what are they saying in the press

00:18:21.840 the idea that you take these small quantities very small sub perceptual is the idea of psilocybin so

00:18:28.820 you're not high but you take it and it has benefits you know a multitude of benefits but

00:18:35.700 some of the ones i'm really chasing are focus the big f right the f word the other f word

00:18:42.260 if people are talking about it as a as an alternative to adderall the big the real f

00:18:48.520 word focus so that's what's really exciting to me and then also just general mood elevation and

00:18:53.760 also my my therapist told me you know psilocybin has really positive benefits with um ocd obsessive

00:19:01.100 thoughts you know anxiety all of that and i have to say listen listen to me here i'll say that i

00:19:06.640 i don't just because of the way i live my life i just can't imagine really adhering to some

00:19:10.760 regimented like mushroom protocol i just am too like it's just yeah but i took this little amount

00:19:17.540 yesterday i can't say i didn't feel it i definitely felt something but it was very subtle

00:19:22.020 but a moment of anxiety where I was like this is sort of I'm blaming this or not blaming this I'm

00:19:27.840 misattributing yeah I'm attributing this to the mushrooms is I had a dinner with someone

00:19:35.340 kind of like a new friend someone who I really like we've kind of been like again Kate with a

00:19:39.740 more friends Kate but I I like we've like always wanted am I enough when am I enough

00:19:48.800 and but the point but but no i just mean particularly after covid you know when our

00:19:54.020 social lives you know turned to dust i have found this like subtle little bit of social anxiety like

00:20:00.040 when you're about to meet up with someone that you don't really know and so i was like meeting

00:20:03.620 him for dinner and it was this thing where i was like i would never i think fall into like full

00:20:07.520 yeah but i just kind of was like okay here we go you know like kind of the thing of like i got

00:20:12.720 there a little first like waiting for him to arrive and kind of look around the restaurant

00:20:15.280 not being like, yeah, you know, just kind of that strange. And ordinarily I would feel just more

00:20:20.580 like tense, more anxiety. And then also like the first, like, you know, two minutes of the

00:20:25.600 conversation, I'd feel kind of like, but like looking out behind my eyes, like I'm not in my

00:20:30.260 eyes. I'm looking out behind them, their windows. I'm like the little, the little person inside my

00:20:35.240 head going, Oh God. Yeah. So I live my life. Yeah. Yeah. Say something else now, you know,

00:20:41.400 and instead try something else stop talking about your own I just felt so I felt really easy like I

00:20:48.980 just was but then again you know I'm also I have six questions yeah he's also lovely and it's just

00:20:54.280 a natural like friendship wait let me just make a note there's also like I'm I'm like it's a still

00:20:59.980 aside but I'm like maybe it's that when you actually are connecting with someone it's easy

00:21:04.040 right that it's not always the nightmare you expect it to me first of all I just want to say

00:21:07.540 you said that thing you know our social lives turned to dust sometimes metaphors provide

00:21:11.320 it's like oh yeah and you know what i did i dusted what does that mean though i love it i love it but

00:21:18.660 i'm just it they turned to dust and instead of reconstituting them into a life i simply blew

00:21:23.900 them away oh right i just like i was like what did i do i was like yeah i dusted it turned to

00:21:29.620 dust and i've gotten rid of it i don't know it's just sort of i just my own reclusive nature you

00:21:35.640 know as you know yeah god i mean it's my uh hyper focus whatever whatever i just get

00:21:41.960 locked in physically to spaces well you have the work to prove it yeah it's really i'm i'm really

00:21:50.380 excited to whisk you away i mean that's why i like going on the road it forces me out into the world

00:21:55.540 absolutely i i relate to that completely and wait but i have more to ask about the psilocybin

00:22:01.300 oh my god do it i'm actually gonna grab it right now because i wanted to kick

00:22:04.160 some would say it already uh it's remnants are still here from yesterday wait but let me say

00:22:12.440 something well that is what some would say and that's the reality of it and i have no problem

00:22:16.820 i'll say that this is um i'm taking such a small amount so i can say this because the legality of

00:22:23.140 all this is is like still confusing to me mushrooms are in this weird zone in some states they're

00:22:27.840 recreationally illegal this brand silo um was kind enough to send me some p-s-i-l-o

00:22:35.860 but i don't believe you can buy them online folks but what i'm trying to say is that

00:22:39.580 there are these like there there are gummies and they're recommending two to three i took one

00:22:46.440 remember the day that i took one and then called you because i was so blast off but it was heavenly

00:22:51.000 and i was like reading our toe doing cat cow like blasting prints in my house at 10 a.m right of

00:22:56.480 course so wonderful that was off one so i i took one and a half yesterday and still was feeling

00:23:03.140 you know a little something yeah pride we get like i feel like the word micro okay has become

00:23:10.100 i saw like a like a clown face appear as his gate popped it you know into her mouth

00:23:18.300 i'm infinite yeah exactly well also i have to say that i as soon as i started talking about this i

00:23:25.940 immediately had the urge to go cut it because it's like like one can't help but fall into the

00:23:30.620 tropes of like psychedelic awareness and consciousness when talking about these things 0.99

00:23:33.940 but there is something here to mine god damn it absolutely i think you have enough mental

00:23:38.700 sturdiness to be a boat on the sort of river of transcendence i think i think you've got a 0.95

00:23:45.300 strong enough boat you're not going to just fall in and burden us all you know okay thank you yeah

00:23:50.340 i mean imagine i just it just completely overwhelms my personality and all i talk about is microdosing

00:23:55.200 and the benefits.

00:23:56.420 Well, you do see that with ayahuasca.

00:23:58.720 I know you do.

00:23:59.920 You absolutely do.

00:24:00.900 And here I am like-

00:24:01.580 Where ayahuasca becomes the third word

00:24:02.920 in their vocabulary, you know,

00:24:04.260 slipping in in favor of other words at times.

00:24:07.220 Accidentally, they tried to say,

00:24:08.660 I went to the store and absolutely slip and say,

00:24:10.880 I did ayahuasca at the store.

00:24:12.780 Okay.

00:24:13.660 A couple of things.

00:24:14.160 One, the pride of micro.

00:24:16.060 It reminds me of like the micro Botox, baby Botox,

00:24:18.820 the pride now in micro.

00:24:20.520 And also, and I probably address this,

00:24:22.540 but people who are so proud to say

00:24:23.900 that their dose of antidepressants is is just tiny yeah yeah rude when that's not how they work

00:24:29.720 yeah like that's not it's not booze it's not like more means more right right right like at least

00:24:36.640 my doctor told me that you know she has the sumo wrestler clients okay who the five milligrams of 0.98

00:24:44.180 lexapro are are enough for and then she has the the little twerps on yeah a hundred whatever you

00:24:51.560 know what i'm saying like so it's not it doesn't work that way but like people are always like

00:24:54.240 just like really proud to be like just i just take the smallest just a pinch of lexapro it's

00:25:00.280 not xanax you know what i mean it's like sub perceptual you said right so that's the idea 0.90

00:25:05.320 sub perceptual they say that right and i'm like but i immediately scoff yeah that shit's not taken

00:25:11.380 off if it were truly sub perceptual like you felt something i completely felt something and that's

00:25:18.500 why i would love to connect with other microdosters in my area here it comes um no i actually was

00:25:24.320 looking at some like websites saying i was like oh god no like i just can't because there's

00:25:28.660 something also really unappealing about like the scientific approach i know i know like it's a

00:25:35.000 secular approach to mushrooms or something and then it's always like a tech bro who's like and

00:25:40.300 this idea is all about heightened productivity which is like something very sinister of course

00:25:44.140 of course anyway the state no but i have to say and i'm generally sensitive like even with

00:25:51.260 edibles for example like i i love this brand rose los angeles they're really heavenly and delicious

00:25:58.320 but there'll be a five milligram one i'll cut that in truly a quarters and like a quarter or

00:26:03.460 a half will be so i i like that little you know just a little with an exacto a little i mean i

00:26:09.960 love to blast off to space just like the next gal in town but it's just um yeah but no but

00:26:14.600 sub perceptual but you are but it's there it's absolutely there and i'm like i'm sorry the

00:26:20.700 levels of joy i reached yesterday like another example was like after just i i realized that i

00:26:27.680 and you know when i went to see that healer i gotta go back she told me my solar plexus chakra

00:26:33.340 was like something was up and i was looking at what that is and one of the things is like i was

00:26:37.100 telling my mother oh I know all about it and like anger is in there and my mom was like you are

00:26:41.920 angry you've been angry since you were three or something like I have this oh yeah that's like

00:26:45.940 when I first went to therapy when I was truly like four or five because I was like oh right yeah

00:26:50.920 fuming furious yeah I felt robbed since birth as you say I was fuming fuming fuming and like

00:26:59.360 the only response to coming in coming down to life on earth frankly I mean let's get real

00:27:05.640 what it is supposed to be instant joy revelation no but me for with as much hair on my head as i

00:27:10.860 have now just like just like yeah and i wasn't like angry i didn't have an anger problem the

00:27:15.360 way of like i wasn't violent or anything i just had like yeah simmering low like classic female

00:27:22.360 keeping it in and i do feel that i am wound a bit tight sometimes and so i don't know we'll see

00:27:28.980 maybe this little what they say about your solar solar plexus chakra so that's this sounds like

00:27:33.540 third chakra it's related to a lot of stuff but one of the things was like it talked about

00:27:38.780 but specifically to yours you know like softness yeah to mine and i something about like there's a

00:27:46.420 you know a bunch of things that are related to it but one of the signs i just was looking it up was

00:27:52.540 like hardness or like well and listeners may have caught me like just like three times in a row be

00:28:00.060 like no i know exactly everything about this i'm asking what they said about yours because i want

00:28:04.780 to i want to i'll dump everything i know supposedly about the third chakra about the solar what did

00:28:09.440 they say what did the healer say about yours and then we'll go from there they just said they said

00:28:14.400 oh you're it's not spinning the right way or something she just well she i mean it was wild

00:28:18.260 when i was there she was like i can't even see your heart chakra because you're so guarded or

00:28:23.540 something she was like she was like whoa whoa whoa no it wasn't about guardedness it was about i 0.57

00:28:28.660 don't i don't fucking know i paid her but then she um she also brought she did say but i think 0.85

00:28:35.500 i touched one of this on poop i had a crazy experience where i was like laying on the table 0.96

00:28:38.240 and she was like touching my ankles and your hands off me and she wasn't touching you yeah

00:28:41.600 i almost had to scream stop because i felt like i was levitating off the table

00:28:44.720 um and then i was like don't scream like you're just laying here it's fine

00:28:48.380 she wanted to bring me back into my feet she said i was all in the head

00:28:51.540 and I had to ground

00:28:53.900 you know

00:28:56.600 some tips

00:28:58.460 you can

00:29:00.460 I remember way back when

00:29:02.380 going to a store shop

00:29:04.160 you know storefront

00:29:06.360 brick and mortar

00:29:07.560 back of a crystal store kind of healer

00:29:10.200 and they talked to me about grounding

00:29:12.540 and they you know sold me a copper

00:29:14.560 ball and I would roll

00:29:16.520 it under my feet that's one thing

00:29:18.460 you can do obviously being barefoot

00:29:20.340 you know take those shoes off kate those walking shoes off okay get barefoot in the earth

00:29:24.720 i visualize you know the roots of a tree is stretching down you know the deeper you root

00:29:31.420 yourself the higher you can fly and then third chakra solar plexus stuff yeah what's that i 0.69

00:29:36.320 once heard it referred to as the just do it chakra oh shit but it's like very much like personal

00:29:40.180 power and you know it's kind of like bridge between the lowers and the highers in a way 0.92

00:29:45.820 because you've got you know it's right between the heart chakra and the second chakra that makes

00:29:51.160 sense anyway whatever the people know but where's i'm feeling i'll say i feel like i'm in a very

00:29:56.000 different place than i was when i saw her and that's another reason why i think the the mushroom

00:30:00.660 situation right now is of interest to me because i actually feel in a good place you know like i

00:30:06.140 don't feel like i'm like alarms are firing and i'm like i need something to fucking break me out of 0.77

00:30:10.980 this something seems wrong your face has fallen all of a sudden and i will plumb i will plumb and

00:30:17.900 probe i know no i know we have to break out of it i wasn't going to even mention the psilocybin

00:30:23.960 of it all because i find it just like it's so exhausted in the culture it's like boring it's

00:30:28.240 like talking about well i can't think of anything now but it's it's just i feel self-conscious

00:30:33.380 about it like it's um incredibly self-indulgent and like boring except like on trend yeah or not

00:30:39.200 even not that like there's by the way i'm glad these like medicinal i'm glad that psilocybin

00:30:45.340 and this is all being talked about it's like alternative therapies right like i think it's

00:30:48.060 it's great and generally positive for the general population but there's just no need for me to come

00:30:54.280 on the air and be like uh microdosing is real folks i'm to dinner and feel happy like it's just

00:31:00.420 it's like you know i know but i don't know but but no but the secondary layer of awareness about

00:31:05.860 this I think is wonderful okay thank you and I'll report back because I'm actually going to do it

00:31:10.700 yeah the people want you to report back I'm going to do it I'm going to really try it for a few

00:31:14.440 weeks in a real way and and see particularly if it if it allows me to to drop in would you like

00:31:20.960 to know something I'm trying always and forever because you know commitment to anything that

00:31:25.320 requires you know multiple weeks oh you won't see a difference until four weeks obviously is

00:31:29.020 classical hell and not of interest and yet supposedly those are the things we need so

00:31:33.620 i i've been on a lifelong mission to understand what the feeling is in the stomach area okay

00:31:42.320 when something strikes you freaks you out whatever it is and you get the feeling in your stomach

00:31:46.920 like a nervous feeling or yeah yeah okay because i'm going what i've been asking this what

00:31:52.060 is that what's actually happening okay is is cool it's i don't is it muscle it's like a nerve

00:31:59.280 what's going on right it feels like a network of tiny neurons right that are suddenly kind of like

00:32:04.280 lit up or it feels like to me like a series of guitar strings have all been plucked yeah you

00:32:08.360 know at the same time right it's kind of vibration but it's absolutely distinct and so and so I've

00:32:14.920 googled over the years there are these certain things I google that never come up I'm conjuring

00:32:19.240 it right now just thinking about it yeah there's these things that I google over the years that

00:32:23.460 these just dead-end googles that like every couple years I like check to see if we've got

00:32:27.800 anything new boys it's so funny no one's that's so funny once again it's like butterflies in the

00:32:34.820 stomach you've heard of them yeah and whatever and then and then they talk just about the most

00:32:39.800 obvious stuff that's and i'm like what is going on what what is what is actually causing sensation

00:32:45.100 in a given area of the body perceptually is it is are the muscles all just tightening

00:32:51.320 don't feel muscular to me okay is it what's going on is it once well it's spirit it's god

00:32:57.160 for years well that well we're going there okay so it's the ineffable yeah for years I was I heard

00:33:03.820 this one thing that led me to say um my stomach was just flooded with adrenaline okay because

00:33:08.400 like I read something like that and so then I was like walking around oh there it is it was just

00:33:11.800 flooded with adrenaline and then I was like dating someone who's like pre-med and was like 0.64

00:33:16.160 it's not flooded with adrenaline okay I was like fuck so then I go I'm finally coming around like 0.98

00:33:22.440 there's no chance it's energetic. Is it like, there's no chance. It's literally, it's so strong 0.98

00:33:27.680 that I never assumed it could just be what like empath, you know, like empaths and like healers

00:33:33.180 and people like that experience. I was like, there's no way because everyone, because here's

00:33:37.780 the problem. When I Google it, I get stuff about nervous stomach and they talk about digestion and

00:33:43.300 that's not what I'm talking about. No, no. I'm not talking about diarrhea before the swim meet.

00:33:47.240 It's not digestion. Yeah. Folks. Yeah. Right. Right. I'm talking about you say a single word

00:33:52.320 about a friend's success no that's a joke but i remember hearing one of the funniest things i

00:33:58.240 ever heard i thought it was one of the funniest things i ever heard um someone quote or reference

00:34:02.780 they were like every time a friend of mine succeeds a little piece of me dies

00:34:05.760 it was actually a teacher if you can imagine a high school teacher really funny who had concerns

00:34:11.540 but but anyway like yeah so what is it so is it energetic whatever whatever i'm still unclear

00:34:16.400 then you know then they start to tell us now as we know gut brain access the gut okay the gut has

00:34:24.760 as many neurons as the serotonin yeah yeah okay the serotonin the same very oh did you know 90

00:34:31.600 percent of your serotonin is in your gut okay no so i'm going now is it that and then the microbiome

00:34:37.880 question okay and i i've referenced this you know oh are those the little sugar addicts in my gut

00:34:44.080 screaming okay oh yeah screaming for baguette they know when i'm stressed they know i'm stressed

00:34:51.700 and they perk up because they think a baguette's coming god i had good pasta last night and monday

00:34:57.160 or tuesday sorry continue two heavenly italian meals this week no heavenly both couldn't pick a

00:35:03.740 favorite couldn't pick well both damn menus on unreal they complimented each other unreal most

00:35:10.380 likely sorry continue like serotonin so so no i'd rather talk about food and my stomach just 0.95

00:35:17.380 growled audibly that's another question what is the stomach growl right what is it aren't those

00:35:23.580 the stomach acids churning and being like we're still here we need you need you to feed us that's

00:35:29.940 what i would assume and yet they feel lower down than the oh i had a huge realization about organs

00:35:35.360 what i'm not so sure are the lungs in the back oh don't don't don't don't don't i don't i'm

00:35:41.240 thinking the lungs are in the back i think they're toward the back because it's not the classic thing

00:35:45.500 a back gate can be a lung issue like yes okay okay i've been i've been thinking of them you

00:35:50.700 know right under the tits so to speak no i think they're toward next to the heart and even kind of

00:35:54.900 like maybe in front of the heart yeah not so sure no i think they're toward the back i think they're 0.58

00:35:59.580 straight up in the back like a like a um camelback remember remember the camelback water yes i had

00:36:07.400 one on the seventh grade i had one on the seventh grade this is all going back to my gear my like 0.97

00:36:11.860 i was a fucking loser and i love myself the camelback was so funny because it was like this 0.97

00:36:19.660 is how you stay hydrated like so you need it strapped to your back i'm almost surprised those 1.00

00:36:24.040 haven't come back around so anyway i know i start reading okay and i start in on microbiome again

00:36:31.520 and you know this belief that it was the microbiome the whole time for me which is big

00:36:36.800 i still feel that i feel so much better off grain off sugar like so profoundly much better that i

00:36:42.160 go was was it was it a box of pasta every day after school from sixth grade on that led to

00:36:49.480 profound. Wheat poisoning. Depression. Yeah. Inflammation. Yeah. You know, this idea of

00:36:56.700 depression as inflammation in the brain. Devastating. Everything as inflammation.

00:37:00.700 All of it. It's like all I know. Oh, God. Yeah. Everything is inflammation. It's inflammation

00:37:05.400 the whole time. The microplastics. We'll get to the microplastics in a second. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. So.

00:37:11.260 Oh, no. Wait, but let me. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay. Keep going. Don't. Okay. Help me through

00:37:17.240 because i'll forget oh my microbiome so here's what i'm doing so i start googling okay because

00:37:22.440 i just i can't just take a random strain and i can't just take a probiotic cbs and yeah of course

00:37:28.640 yeah oh my god please they're like heat they're like heat blasted micro probiotics that were made

00:37:33.700 in in cincinnati that have been like melted over the course of six months transported on a flatbed

00:37:40.520 under the yeah the tennessee sun and they get to you yeah yeah just tennessee made plastic housing

00:37:47.960 you're just eating it's like the gel cap just like empty gel caps yeah yeah yeah gel caps

00:37:53.940 gel caps you know they are plastic right that's why if you if you dig through your own feces

00:38:00.260 you'll see them i'm just kidding i'm scared i think that's not true biocellulose they're made

00:38:04.840 of like pea shells or something yeah yeah so i would take a sexy vitamin okay keep going

00:38:11.160 i haven't even told you my morning potion okay keep going god god i'm overflowing yeah all right

00:38:17.500 all right all right so so here's what i'm trying right now so i googled i googled i went deep yeah

00:38:22.000 okay i clicked on goddamn whatever that main site is that houses all the academic research papers

00:38:28.940 in the united states around medical okay that's where i go and you got i mean it is dense where 0.67

00:38:35.940 are you going the mayoclinic.com like p yeah yeah but but bigger whatever it's bigger than that i

00:38:42.580 can't even remember it i want to say like national health services i just had this flash you know

00:38:46.620 like being a sexy wife married to some like doctor from the mayo clinic yeah and you like put on these

00:38:51.160 like dinners for all the doctors and everyone comes over like they slip you the right supplements

00:38:56.280 they tell you what really I just got yeah I just like got excited thinking about this like

00:38:59.580 like I would love to play her like just a woman in like a backless gown who's like my husband

00:39:04.400 works at the Mayo Clinic and she like is like so horny and then all like there's something about

00:39:12.160 like it's an archetype I would love to slip into no the fantasy of dinner I mean sometimes you got

00:39:20.020 to say is that what is that is that what draws me to act and is that what draws me to write

00:39:24.220 i i felt this as a child being like this moment of like i can only have one life oh wait i can

00:39:31.480 have infinite lives i can i can dive into infinite lives and characters and and whatever like right

00:39:38.560 right i don't know i remember having that like active thought and it being but so like to act

00:39:43.480 to get to embody these these these archetypes i mean utter freedom it's weird these guys that

00:39:51.360 play cops in every movie like that detective i trust from the last case in that other show oh

00:39:57.900 yeah yeah he's back i know he knows the business literally there's there's guys like that where i

00:40:02.520 go oh he knows he knows the fbi because he's worked at the fbi in six other shows like i

00:40:08.020 literally like trust he knows more than others of course yeah sorry sorry sorry i i led you off

00:40:13.680 because i was talking about the mayo clinic wife i googled and i'm gonna find it well i'm not gonna

00:40:17.060 find it i'll post it later but i googled and i found an article about the ones they did the

00:40:20.980 actual studies on about mood uh and probiotics and which strains and they did real studies okay

00:40:28.140 okay now there were two strains and they sounded like you know familiar classics at first yeah

00:40:33.460 okay like lacto whatever and bifidium whatever right yeah but there were specific numbers after

00:40:38.600 the yoplait strain yeah the yoplait the uh jamie lee curtis strain do you remember her commercials

00:40:45.100 whose jamie lee curtis's um bifidius commercials by the way that's another example 0.98

00:40:50.960 of me being like a loser. 0.81

00:40:52.180 I was like 15 and bought it.

00:40:53.180 I was like, mom, we need Activa in the house now.

00:40:55.560 Yeah, Activa, thank you.

00:40:57.420 Well, of course, me too.

00:40:58.780 Wait, this is hell, but I have to pee and I can't hold it.

00:41:01.120 So, okay.

00:41:02.500 Just do it.

00:41:03.520 I don't care at all.

00:41:04.980 As long as you're interested when you come back.

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00:43:43.220 so it's pubmed and it's i remember because i could google it's pubmed and then are you ready

00:43:49.840 it's ncbi.nlm.nih.gov what the fuck yeah so you're deep in the journals okay that's where i

00:43:57.780 head okay and this is a double-blind randomized placebo-controlled trial of lactobacillus 0.96

00:44:02.740 helveticus and bifidibacterium longum for symptoms of depression okay okay now i just

00:44:11.100 see it i'm not actively trying to combat depression you know you know in some new way

00:44:16.120 at the moment or something like that i'm just whatever okay but so i found a specific strain

00:44:21.520 that that this this these two strains okay and then and then i'm seeking them out in forms and

00:44:27.900 then let's see like it's roselle 52nd and roselle 175 okay okay people can do the research okay but

00:44:34.500 The point is.

00:44:35.140 Okay. 0.98

00:44:36.740 Roselle's a gorgeous name for the girl. 0.99

00:44:39.200 Yeah, finally. 0.99

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00:44:45.760 Six pounds, 12 ounces. 1.00

00:44:48.100 Yeah, versus whatever, Rodentia 22. 0.97

00:44:52.080 So I am taking the strains and taking it every goddamn day with food as recommended. 0.84

00:45:00.320 And I've started that Aurum. 0.95

00:45:01.840 and the aurum describes itself as psychobiotic or psycho um uh something like that but it's not

00:45:08.880 i don't think what is the aurum to be clear aurum is something that was sent to us which

00:45:12.140 is a probiotic was it sent to us i couldn't remember yes it's a probiotic but it's like

00:45:17.120 a mental health probiotic so it's all about i'm just grabbing both by the way i took it like

00:45:22.160 three days and i was like i feel amazing it's the aurum you know and then of course never

00:45:25.740 yeah yeah i know i know i'll go back me too and forgot about it couldn't find it

00:45:30.080 finally unearthed it recently and said it's time but people like under this one example of mood

00:45:37.040 probiotic okay yeah that has these particular strains i'm googling around and seeing reviews

00:45:41.660 and there's reviews that literally people go my fourth order this stuff works this is about the

00:45:47.680 this is this is just an amazon review of inovix labs stress management support i don't get on

00:45:54.540 amazon folks okay okay look elsewhere okay but go to inovix labs for example but you know the

00:45:59.460 reviews are useful on that site may i may i say yes wonderful side effect of well-being my fourth

00:46:05.200 order this stuff works helps me keep calm a miracle for me wow i'm happy i'm grateful you

00:46:11.580 have a customer for life helps me sleep all right if it is great probiotic for mood and motility 0.89

00:46:17.660 issues the fuck is motility help me well you wouldn't know would you modal what what's motility 0.99

00:46:24.180 it's the shit moving through the the it's it's it's regularity it's well it's not regular it's 0.99

00:46:29.960 it's motility i've never heard the term motility i believe it is unless i'm wrong but i'm pretty 0.96

00:46:34.420 sure motility i'm sure you're right describe that yeah here's what it is the contraction of the

00:46:39.220 muscles that mix you mix and propel contents in the gastrointestinal tract so i'm i am i've

00:46:49.100 committed to Orem and these two strains of Roselle and Longham and Helveticus and I'm going to commit

00:46:59.220 so this is next five uh oh god what you see this is where I I'm doing the thing that you were doing

00:47:04.660 earlier no no it's fine I'm excited I'm excited where I slipped into like wellness podcast chatty

00:47:12.060 well that's what bitch exactly I'm gonna commit folks I'm going to like this isn't art this isn't 0.86

00:47:16.720 art this is i took that and so it's a so it's a micro down so it's a perceptual psilocybin okay 0.98

00:47:22.480 so what you're gonna do yeah kill me and it was suddenly a wellness podcast no it's fine i support

00:47:26.860 you you're supporting my protocol i support yours so what are you saying for the next five 0.96

00:47:30.960 poogs next five weeks you're gonna well i'm just i'm just on i'm just on and then the question

00:47:36.480 becomes and this is what i was gonna ask about the psilocybin yeah with you like i when you were

00:47:41.040 heading into dinner i am oh sorry to bring it back to that but whatever when you're heading

00:47:46.260 into dinner were you going like let's see how the psilocybin treats this dinner were you conscious

00:47:50.700 of it or was it later no no no no it wasn't no I wasn't even thinking about the psilocybin I just

00:47:56.540 was like right but I felt I noticed how like good I felt right no I was just asking because it's 0.97

00:48:03.220 like remembering to take that goddamn those those goddamn things and I and I hand them to Chris 0.98

00:48:07.940 because I won't take a single supplement without also giving them to my partner I'm not gonna leave 0.99

00:48:10.920 in the dust as you know okay so I mean like I can't even enjoy it yeah yeah totally like having

00:48:17.580 a sip of life-giving elixir while while someone next to me doesn't yeah like so the act of

00:48:25.220 committing to the thing or the act of the personal integrity okay of deciding to do something and

00:48:30.380 doing it on its own yeah life changing right so like for example if I committed to once a day

00:48:35.840 taking a little stone from my yard a particular one balancing it on my head for 30 seconds right

00:48:39.760 actually might be worth trying that might be interesting sounds nice yeah and i did it every

00:48:44.740 day yeah i did it every day for the next 30 days stone protocol the the increase in confidence

00:48:50.320 in self the faith in self right the faith in my ability to do something i set out to do yeah so

00:48:57.740 so and i'm not saying this to take away from the actual potency of the you know chemistry of any

00:49:03.280 given thing but it cannot be denied that the act of pursuing the care you know what i mean yes

00:49:11.400 getting in your getting in your blanket with your tool like cannot be cannot you know like cannot

00:49:17.220 be denied i don't know i just i might try that stone thing i gotta say i hate to say that's one

00:49:21.420 of let's try the stone thing that's the thing that sorry to slip again into wellness podcast but it's

00:49:27.360 like people talk about reparenting right and one of the things you can do to reparent yourself is

00:49:31.700 like you make one small promise to yourself right it's like i will drink oh two liters of water

00:49:36.440 you know and then it's like you're like i did it you know it's like um the gold star effect or

00:49:41.580 whatever i can never remember what a liter is there's something about the word liter i just

00:49:47.640 picture a paper bag full of water every time like i picture a square a rectangular unit that like

00:49:53.340 what do you picture do you know what a liter is a liter soda oh is that like the classic big

00:49:58.680 soda bottle big party no that's more than a liter those are usually i think 1.5 right but they're

00:50:05.240 not like a round gallon or something they're not a gallon they're called leaders the leader i'm

00:50:09.740 always chasing leaders what is it i mean it's around 100 ounces three sorry three liters is

00:50:15.700 100 ounces the idea that that could help me and the idea is that the idea that you're locked in

00:50:19.360 on that is pretty impressive given you know the way you panic around numbers my number dysphoria

00:50:23.900 I know.

00:50:24.500 No, but I'm, because I'm, like, the amount of, in a dream world, I'm drinking 100 ounces a day, which is about three liters. 0.89

00:50:31.880 I can never fucking, here's the calculations I can never fucking remember. 0.78

00:50:37.440 Okay, like, based on your weight and your whatever the fuck, okay, how much water you're supposed to have, your target heart rate, that calculation. 0.98

00:50:46.840 Oh, please. 0.95

00:50:47.920 Oh, your age times 100 minus 22 or whatever.

00:50:50.960 Okay.

00:50:51.900 There's that one.

00:50:53.400 And those are the biggies, I suppose, that I'm like constantly Googling for a little calculator.

00:50:59.320 It's just hell.

00:51:00.200 I just can't hold that.

00:51:01.340 You don't need to.

00:51:02.400 Release it.

00:51:03.000 Yeah, I guess I don't need to.

00:51:05.020 But I do drink more.

00:51:06.220 You know I drink significantly more water because of the AquaDrew.

00:51:09.000 Yeah, that's good. 1.00

00:51:10.400 It's one of our earliest, biggest poog fucking begging and receiving. 0.99

00:51:16.400 And beg and I shall receive. 0.99

00:51:18.280 Yeah.

00:51:18.440 life-changing for me in terms of i just walk in you have to i will say under that thing i press

00:51:26.400 a button and there it goes you have to refill it yeah oh it doesn't hold a ton is that what you

00:51:32.200 said two liters maybe well the unspoken truth here is that is that the only reason it works

00:51:38.560 for me is because chris my partner feels it yeah yeah i mean he's he's he's i don't know how he

00:51:47.100 does it yeah he just says oh and it's not like he waits till it's even empty wow it's it's just

00:51:54.440 he just does it i don't understand i i that to me that's like you know take you know a life

00:52:00.000 a lifetime life when you see something falling on the floor do you pick it up serious question

00:52:04.600 i know i've brought this up before nope okay thank you nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

00:52:08.040 i'll i'll drop things i had this happen the other day actually i was like that's the problem kate

00:52:13.160 i was doing my makeup and then my like this is a brush lip okay so i was doing my makeup and then

00:52:20.280 this um highlighter that i really like westman atelier fell off kind of a prized item fell

00:52:26.860 off the counter rolled underneath it slightly i went i'll get it later exactly exactly and i

00:52:31.980 thought kate you're going to stress out and go where is it and i went i'll remember that it's

00:52:35.820 on the floor exactly so i have some belief and i believe it was due to the depression years

00:52:41.000 i get it all energy must be preserved okay and so i will i will do elaborate things to not um

00:52:48.960 do the the one thing that seems hard like like it's almost like i would order a new robe

00:52:53.720 before leaning over to pick one up because my phone's closer to me you know what i mean like

00:52:57.920 it's not a perfect example but it's it's almost stuff like that like i feel myself making these

00:53:02.220 bargains about like or when i try like i feel too tired to to take a shower so i decide to like

00:53:08.740 well i'll wash my hair in the sink right right so that's gonna like be less energy somehow like

00:53:13.000 these these calculations but like i went to throw these little wellness podcast again these little

00:53:19.800 vials of e live green whatever okay that i've been shooting daily what what i haven't heard

00:53:27.020 about this yeah like these little you know those little green wellness like live greens they're

00:53:31.600 not and i like don't trust them because i'm like i don't trust juice as you know because

00:53:35.260 the liquid where's the fiber folks yeah it's just like you know like almost like those turmeric

00:53:40.340 shots that you see it's like that but it's like a green one e3 live well that's one of the things

00:53:45.080 in it it's a few different things and it comes with my factor meal delivery that i live off of

00:53:50.820 and you know haven't spoken enough about on this podcast because waiting for sponsorship of course

00:53:55.060 yeah okay and so i throw those in because why not yeah sure shoot them back and then i go to

00:54:03.420 throw them in the recycling one flies out of my hand flies behind the garbage can which is in a

00:54:08.260 sort of closet okay it's in like a little vacuum closet just that's where it's kept and I go huh

00:54:13.500 am I really gonna lean over the garbage can pour my head into what is essentially a garbage closet

00:54:20.400 right which is probably the most dangerous place that a roach in theory could appear like where

00:54:25.500 where else are they gonna like poke through a hole yeah I think they're gonna do it behind the

00:54:28.960 garbage can yeah so i'm about to pour my head down downwards and i do it i said i'm gonna do it

00:54:34.460 because i once read in tj maxx okay in a wellness book that i found on a shelf in tj maxx okay a

00:54:42.860 journal with like like you know there's like books in there that are like live love laugh yeah one

00:54:47.540 actually looked interesting sometimes you find things in there like a himalayan sea salt lamp

00:54:51.220 of course you know can it really be the same material yeah here in tj's yes it can so still

00:54:55.600 don't understand yeah I read a read a I read this book and I found one useful insight okay

00:55:01.720 if I lick a Himalayan salt lamp it's salty is that what they're telling me I want to know I

00:55:07.280 still don't get those if I look I think it must be it's a hunk of salt are you serious well they

00:55:12.920 look exactly like the pink salt but yeah I mean I've never licked one and I intend to because I

00:55:17.320 don't yeah I mean but but you don't want to lick them because they've been handled no but I would

00:55:22.080 still lick it just i wash it off and like curiosity yeah yeah i mean i'll i don't have

00:55:27.060 any at the moment right now lying around but they're pink they're himalayan salt and so i 0.84

00:55:32.140 mean they must be ostensibly it's a fucking chunk of salt i mean ostensibly it's gotta be because 0.62

00:55:37.360 it looks exactly like the stuff that that's in the jar you know seems like it would be more 0.96

00:55:41.360 expensive aren't they like 30 bucks or something it seems too cheap if it's really a big hunk of

00:55:45.400 salt well if it's a big hump it's wait it's cheap if it's a big hunk of salt i would think it'd be

00:55:49.880 more expensive himalayan salt ain't super cheap a little shaker of himalayan salt's gonna run you

00:55:56.660 back 10 bucks well a lot of the work comes in when they when they grind it down when it's a big rock

00:56:02.000 they just pull that rock out of the out of the big rock god i want to be back in the salt room 0.97

00:56:06.100 with you i know remember when we go i know but i read about the salt room is not really doing shit

00:56:12.320 who cares other places we have to go to i know i i still like to go in it but in the hot sand i 0.50

00:56:17.640 would kill to lie right now I would kill to lie right to lie right now one of those hot rooms

00:56:22.020 take me to the jade I'd consider going in masked great I'd go I'd go masked okay this is huge but

00:56:31.900 you can't get sloppy because you have post-covid immunity and that I'll slip into that same mindset

00:56:37.880 when I don't okay you have to you can't get sloppy and like try to like sucker me into your like

00:56:43.120 like high immunity. I would never, I would never pressure you to not wear a mask. No,

00:56:47.500 you would never pressure me, but you might just do to your own joy, kind of not notice that I'm

00:56:51.420 not wearing the mask when I should be. No, no, no, no. I'll enforce. You could just see that

00:56:55.720 being the way it goes down for me. I'll enforce a mask for you. I still think maybe you did have

00:57:00.000 it. After not having COVID this long, right? It feels like the way that I get it will be full of

00:57:04.480 meaning. And like, like, like that was, of course it was that way. Like it becomes,

00:57:08.960 becomes dramatized by the human spirit all right isn't that what the purpose of life

00:57:15.060 no i'm just thinking like there are these events what did you just say like the way you said it

00:57:20.400 you said um what'd you say you assume that the way you get it will be filled with meaning yeah

00:57:25.780 and then it's like oh right things happen and they don't they don't have the charge that you

00:57:29.800 anticipate at all well and then and then but that and that's where the dramatist comes in

00:57:35.500 okay and forces it i mean like in your own life yeah right yeah see see see see see you know what

00:57:41.000 what's funny about it is isn't that just the way like those kind of sentiments yeah of or and you

00:57:46.240 know what the ultimate one is to dramatize the non-drama right to tell a tale of how something

00:57:51.740 was anti a lot of people say climatic and i'm like pretty sure it's climactic no anti-climate

00:57:59.320 okay so here's the thing about we're not talking about the climate this is it i'm glad i'm gonna

00:58:03.180 finally google it for the first time once so i think it is there's another one like it's not

00:58:09.120 climactic right it's climatic and and and um oh my god oh my god this is huge it is anticlimactic 0.99

00:58:19.100 oh wait are you a motherfucker who says climatic this whole time i'm humiliated to know you okay 0.99

00:58:26.140 i would never wait if i'm right then i'm humiliated to know you okay listen to me i'm 1.00

00:58:32.000 humiliating on myself someone once years ago told me it was anti-climatic not really by the way

00:58:36.960 against my own impulse which was anti-climactic climactic and somehow lazier version is going to

00:58:45.420 be right i think not oh by the way climax climax climactic it makes it's embedded in there someone

00:58:52.420 lied to me and someone and it must have been it must have been an authority figure and it was

00:58:57.740 someone who I somehow imbued with that, you know, I thought I should trust them. And here I am all

00:59:02.840 over town saying climatic thinking these fools saying climactic don't understand it's anticlimactic. 0.98

00:59:07.840 And of course it was. Yeah. I just, I've never felt more and I'm not someone who, you know, 0.98

00:59:13.560 believes technically that like I'm being an asshole for fun. Okay. But I'm just so relieved 0.98

00:59:18.060 because, cause I felt the, there's another one that's really consciousness and conscience. You

00:59:24.860 see a lot of that subconscious yeah yeah wow subconscious yeah of course of course um to not

00:59:31.400 to not be conscious of the very word yeah yeah consciousness is a humiliation well here's another

00:59:37.640 one vicious cycle vicious circle obviously it's not a word but you know which which came first

00:59:42.620 which is relevant oh i did one last night i said repelled instead of repulse but that does work

00:59:48.260 but i think of repel as being repelling down a mountain i know but i said something i was like

00:59:51.920 Oh, I'm repelled by that.

00:59:53.020 No, it's E versus A.

00:59:55.080 Repel versus rappel.

00:59:56.740 Rappel.

00:59:57.400 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:59:58.400 Rappel is down and down.

00:59:59.580 Repel is repelled.

01:00:00.580 And I believe repulsive.

01:00:03.120 Yeah.

01:00:03.740 Right?

01:00:04.100 One of my favorite words.

01:00:04.940 Yeah, me too.

01:00:07.160 Okay.

01:00:08.680 Repulsed, repulsed, repulsed, right?

01:00:11.120 I think repulse is like, if something repels you, it's repulsive.

01:00:16.080 it's like it's like in other words the word repulsive i think is is the word repulsive

01:00:23.060 pushing away yeah it is repulsive but it the way certain phonetics change the thing to the thing

01:00:30.460 yeah yeah it'd be like yeah repulsion yeah repulse to repel yeah dispel dispulsion yeah

01:00:39.320 anyway etc right so we were somewhere rich though but covid and the salt mines what oh the

01:00:45.320 I just want to tell the thing I learned in TJ Maxx.

01:00:47.520 Oh, yeah, go ahead.

01:00:48.620 So I opened this journal book, you know,

01:00:50.400 it looks like, oh, there's no way that this book's any good, 1.00

01:00:53.260 you know, but folks, fools and little children, 0.97

01:00:56.160 you know, that's where the wisdom is carried in on. 0.99

01:00:58.800 Yeah.

01:00:59.200 Right?

01:00:59.580 So how dare I, you know, I mean, how dare I?

01:01:03.320 I mean, I opened the book,

01:01:04.120 so I didn't dare that horrifically, right?

01:01:06.460 I opened myself to it.

01:01:07.940 Anyway, she was talking about little tolerances, okay,

01:01:11.880 that slowly sap your energy.

01:01:14.460 Ooh, yeah.

01:01:15.120 I think I've brought this up before, but I don't know if I can textualize it in TJ Maxx.

01:01:19.100 So right now there's a rubber band, like a hairband on my floor.

01:01:22.620 Yeah.

01:01:22.900 Okay.

01:01:23.060 I glance over to look.

01:01:24.260 There it is.

01:01:25.260 Now, I don't need that right now.

01:01:27.940 Like the only time I would get that is if I needed it in a pinch.

01:01:30.980 Literally, I need a hairband.

01:01:32.140 I'm going to work out.

01:01:33.000 Right.

01:01:33.900 That will stay until I do basically a full life remix.

01:01:38.440 Right.

01:01:39.460 Like that's there until I decide I need to clean this whole room.

01:01:42.720 Right.

01:01:42.920 Right.

01:01:43.060 Right.

01:01:43.240 Of course.

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:44.200 versus that's there and I could pick it up because I have this belief that that's not going to

01:01:47.660 contribute to my day. Right. I can't waste energy on picking that up. See, this is where she argues

01:01:52.940 that the thing fallen behind the thing that you don't touch the rattling doorknob that you're

01:01:58.280 not fixing. Okay. Whatever it is that all these little tolerances. Oh no. Oh no. Okay. Are adding

01:02:05.120 up and sapping you. I believe it. I believe it. And that's kind of the idea of like everything

01:02:10.360 in your house takes up mental space in your head right every receipt every piece of paper

01:02:14.340 you're actually holding on to that's why the hotel room is is such a yeah offers a clean slate

01:02:19.840 finally a pretend finally pretend life but it's like and and an expression of the mind my mind

01:02:26.420 is empty the room is empty yeah yeah yeah there's nothing in here that's not functional absolutely

01:02:30.280 beautiful well sometimes no and that's i my house right now is in particular disarray because i was

01:02:36.240 working just I was insane for weeks and I just had no time to do anything and so I have these like

01:02:41.540 the boxes have stacked up the poo boxes we got a vacuum cleaner have you opened it I've used it

01:02:48.740 how is it lovely drop the brand um can't name's not just not flying to the mind 0.81

01:02:56.400 shit we should don't you think we should say it yeah Emma will you google vacuum air air I see

01:03:04.980 the box from here and i see the words air air sign air sign is the vacuum folks 0.98

01:03:09.720 but i wish i could remember the name of like shoot like comfort max i there's an there's soul

01:03:18.640 soul is in the word it's got to be soul air souls like soul s-o-l-e ask your mother dance souls you

01:03:25.460 don't know so they have full stores they're they're classic wait and you like way back okay

01:03:36.100 i'm talking like 11 years ago yeah which isn't that long but you know what i mean it's a long

01:03:40.660 time early early like oh i wear not you know i wear um you know suave soles yeah they're comfortable

01:03:46.860 wow you know they're great i was like really they're not all hideous no they're not you know

01:03:51.240 like you can find a, God, I want to know the orthopedic heel, heel, boot, shoe. I, once again,

01:03:58.860 I just, yeah. Women's dress shoe, nineties air soul. I'm furious. Can't wait. Can't wait 1.00

01:04:10.680 to remember. It'll be so satisfying. Sometimes it's not. You ever have that?

01:04:17.200 a lot of people yeah sometimes it's really not devastating a lot of people have been talking

01:04:22.220 about um people are watching joy luck club because of your recommendation and i still are yeah and i

01:04:27.960 still are they loving it they're loving it and i still have it and i really must that's so cozy

01:04:33.340 you got it you got it you'll love it i must you'll love it it's as simple as that and then we can do

01:04:38.220 a full maybe actually maybe more maybe we just we just revisit interstellar oh i was on a plane

01:04:44.940 recently interstellar passed of course an option and i i nodded to it nodded nobly sort of tipped

01:04:52.640 your hat at at someone else's film screen oh you wanted us to talk about what i witnessed in you

01:04:58.660 oh us on a plane together and you just diving headfirst with no chuckles no knowing glances

01:05:06.080 of anything just diving headfirst into that tiger woods dock yeah and watching it like some man

01:05:11.700 from you know 48 the late 70s oh yeah yeah no born in 48 yeah okay just almost like you weren't

01:05:21.420 chewing gum but you might as well have been yeah yeah i was completely immersed like like because

01:05:25.340 you can't have a cigarette while you're watching the tiger woods dog on the plane don't you find

01:05:30.640 me like you can't smoke in here folks a little bit much at this point anyway i know we know i know

01:05:36.100 there's people cannot update even in life you can't it's so hard to update anything

01:05:41.140 and to shed what you're used to my friend came across a bat in their um hotel room bathroom no

01:05:48.180 a live bat yeah yeah live bat crouched in the corner that's really cute a bit thought it was

01:05:54.500 a tarantula at first i know where where were they i just feel too bad to say the hotel no i mean like

01:06:01.000 what city where were they kawaii oh los angeles oh really yeah and a nice one too i mean a a

01:06:08.060 classic i think that's cute even though i guess they bite your neck and kill you instantly it

01:06:13.480 didn't look cute in the photo because it looked like and my friend was so tired that send me the

01:06:18.380 photo that they just wanted to they were like just gonna go to sleep and then their other friend was

01:06:23.640 like just just you need to call the hotel you can't sleep i mean i'm the idea that you could

01:06:28.080 fall asleep with a with a live bat in the room circling your head wildly in the night biting

01:06:33.480 you on tip of the nose i had this little oh my parents once had to get rabies shots because of

01:06:38.140 a bat oh i'm known to get unnecessary rabies shots and unnecessary tetanus shots for fear 0.52

01:06:43.040 i once had like i like scratched my hand on a on like an old nail got tetanus by the way keep up 0.60

01:06:51.300 with your tetanus shots folks no you didn't get tetanus you got a tetanus shot no no no no i got

01:06:55.660 I was like give me the shot and they were like when was your last one

01:06:57.880 I was like I'm not quite sure they gave it to me

01:06:59.760 and then when did I get like a

01:07:01.660 probably unnecessary ravey shot

01:07:03.440 Kate I know

01:07:05.760 I know why

01:07:07.500 you remember

01:07:09.360 no but this

01:07:11.760 I want to talk about this for a minute

01:07:13.140 are you ready

01:07:13.780 wait what is that

01:07:17.940 I don't know what you're doing

01:07:19.600 wait what are you doing

01:07:23.360 the tetanus illustration in the science book i don't know the man with tetanus you don't know

01:07:31.260 okay it it stuck with me for ages because it's it's a man on a table if you get tetanus okay

01:07:37.060 you're like this you're lying on a table in the 1800s like because of the pain

01:07:43.660 no you're like tensed up you're tensed up so violently that you fly into like a

01:07:52.220 full half wheel arc yeah yes and i was obsessed with it because i have this idea of it being

01:08:00.320 the funny thing is that it's the opposite of of the fetal position so like it almost like should

01:08:05.580 be pure joy but the tetanus man like he was just one of the most singular tetanus illustration

01:08:12.720 oh here he is it's worth it I'm dropping it I'm dropping it to you it's worth it and then

01:08:17.460 I'll post it no send it I want to see I want to see all right hold on you're gonna love it did you

01:08:22.400 get it does he look familiar that does not look familiar to me at all no yeah I'm so sorry I can't

01:08:30.860 believe it it's not it's not ringing a I mean you see why it captivates me yeah of course a

01:08:36.700 painted one feels respectful because it's like okay this is a depiction of pain this isn't a

01:08:40.060 snapshot of someone truly in pain they took time to educate and to get people to not step on nails

01:08:46.340 imagine being the person in the corner sketching because you know we would assume somebody was on

01:08:52.960 the table writhing in pain and they had the medical artist in the corner with a quill

01:08:57.480 sketching or or they observed in the room respectfully and then ran home and and sketched

01:09:04.640 it from memory yeah you know i mean oh my god imagine just he's flipping his pad of paper it's

01:09:09.900 landing it's hitting the person they're like the wind is wafting on his open wounds you the wind

01:09:14.760 of his canvas can you okay now this is reminding me just of like living by candlelight this woman

01:09:20.600 i was listening to her and she was saying that she once once the sun sets she allows no blue

01:09:26.400 light like once the sun goes down all phones are off computers are off everything's off

01:09:29.840 and all she allows are candles and lamplight well i basically i from 6 p.m or whenever my

01:09:39.520 like little automatic cheapo battery candles turn on those are our light now tv blasts right 0.99

01:09:45.860 into the eyeballs well that's her thing was blue computer and a phone for sure but to not have the

01:09:50.620 bright i don't know i'm gonna get more i mean a lamp light candlelight is it's the only way

01:09:56.860 and they flicker thank god it's one thing you know technology's done for us oh they flicker

01:10:01.840 oh i love what you have i'm gonna send it i was wondering if you think it was right we also blue

01:10:05.800 blocks we're reaching out blue blocks we're reaching out we want them we want them did you

01:10:10.160 do you have those candles because of my mom is that my mother's influence my mother's influence

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 26, 2022

NO BEDROOM NO KITCHEN

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