Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Laugh Lines

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00:02:39.300 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:40.780 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:41.900 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:46.600 Two untamable intellects.

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00:02:55.880 straw woman, digital blood, not a rabbi.

00:03:02.840 Okay, this is huge.

00:03:05.300 I don't know if it's, I think it might, in the print, it's wrong.

00:03:10.360 In the print of Hollywood Reporter?

00:03:12.720 Yeah.

00:03:14.400 Okay, this is breaking news.

00:03:16.180 This is only breaking news for if you've listened to 4,000 episodes of POOG.

00:03:19.960 but I was reacting because Jacqueline has a gorgeous shoot in Hollywood 0.96

00:03:24.340 reporter.

00:03:25.000 By the way,

00:03:25.580 one of the photos I looked at and thought it was me,

00:03:27.900 this one.

00:03:29.840 Yeah.

00:03:30.400 I thought it would have too.

00:03:31.440 I looked at it quickly and I was like,

00:03:32.500 is that me?

00:03:33.960 Sometimes we really do look alike.

00:03:37.160 But you look amazing.

00:03:39.400 And the shoes were Marion park or are Marion park and you tagged them here.

00:03:45.600 But I just heard the breaking news that Hollywood reporter in print, 0.94

00:03:49.000 they're going to say that they're ysl which is unbelievable i mean i think what they do is 0.78

00:03:55.440 i don't know how that happened well it's not your fault and you've tagged them but

00:04:00.860 i think it's actually kind of fun gossip for marion park to be like

00:04:03.860 no they're not ysl they're marion park and you can wait for seven hours and at least online

00:04:08.560 of course online is where everyone is as we know print media is almost largely dead

00:04:12.280 not actually, but well, hello. Okay. Greetings. Greetings, greetings, greetings.

00:04:20.560 I sent you a picture of my lunch and you didn't respond.

00:04:23.580 I was wildly trying to chop, wash, and process this week's veggies because the new

00:04:33.360 vegetable box from Misfits Market has arrived. Yeah. So I'm going to go after them for partnership

00:04:41.320 because they've become part of my household.

00:04:43.020 That's exciting.

00:04:44.100 Beans have become a huge...

00:04:45.000 But yeah, huge boxes downstairs,

00:04:46.620 huge boxes of my...

00:04:47.820 I can't wait to order.

00:04:48.460 ...bentail for the week.

00:04:50.020 I, of course, now have a macro fixation

00:04:53.900 on macrobiotic.

00:04:55.460 Obviously, I'll never become macrobiotic,

00:04:57.000 but I became friends with a man.

00:04:59.100 I have a new friendship in his 60s

00:05:00.960 and he's been macrobiotic for 35 years.

00:05:03.340 Yeah.

00:05:03.580 And he made me an unbelievable miso,

00:05:07.380 but like a chunky miso stew.

00:05:09.720 Like it was like...

00:05:10.520 the origins of our friendship like one of them sorry it was food in my teeth is what by the way

00:05:15.020 I've seen videos of myself on the poog videos food in my teeth constantly and I was the other

00:05:19.500 day no I think there was more than one and I have that's insane I had this happen the other day

00:05:25.300 where I was like and I mean I was saying this I was like has something changed with my teeth

00:05:28.780 because I've been flossing so regularly the last couple years like suddenly I get food in my teeth

00:05:32.180 more like you're going too hard with the floss like you're like the gums are receding I don't

00:05:36.660 think they are for violence but something okay that's though like somebody at hq needs to look

00:05:42.820 out for us for overflossing no you people cannot okay you cannot rely on me to spot food in in uh

00:05:49.800 oh yeah yeah in our teeth in our videos oh yeah i'm not saying it's it's you okay this is a crazy

00:05:55.420 looking at our producer it's not it's literally not her her job no no no i have to i have to

00:06:02.680 throwing under the bus I don't mean to and check um umeboshi plum thoughts what about them

00:06:10.340 I had this tea but I want to remember what macrobiotic is I mean I know no no and I want

00:06:17.480 to be clear obviously I'm not saying well I'm pivoting to macrobiotic of course not but I'm

00:06:20.780 just all I'm trying to say is I want to make soup um but in the way that last week you were like

00:06:24.640 really trying to put a vegan crown on me and I was like I'm plant-based seeing it and then I

00:06:29.560 We got a lot of comments.

00:06:30.420 Whole foods, plant-based.

00:06:32.200 We got a lot of comments of people saying,

00:06:33.620 I also am plant-based and vegan does not,

00:06:35.280 I don't feel like vegan does apply to me.

00:06:36.740 Well, it's interesting because like some people are like,

00:06:39.120 almost like so proud to not be almost like,

00:06:44.200 all right, let me just try to get it right once

00:06:46.640 because it's killing me.

00:06:47.300 It was like, it's like,

00:06:49.220 I would never dare two weeks into an exploration claim

00:06:52.980 what I do think is a moral stance.

00:06:55.820 Yeah.

00:06:56.140 Right, must trust the listener.

00:06:57.440 And then, but whole foods,

00:06:59.480 I feel like you haven't been hearing this whole foods plant-based no I hear that okay so I mean

00:07:07.500 that's that's that's now meaning what here like last night I had you know a pizza with a marinara

00:07:13.700 pizza with no cheese and like yeah that was not whole foods it's processed that sure sure they're

00:07:18.200 using flour they're using flour okay but right now in the home I mean Kate like I was about to

00:07:26.160 drop some berries in a smoothie to try to get them down quick. And I was like, no,

00:07:32.400 eat it whole. And that's not even what I mean by that whole thing, but separate issue. Just

00:07:38.680 the things that the alchemist I'm becoming in the kitchen, I've been freed. Okay. Because

00:07:44.100 there's no pressure to be a chef because now that I'm a nutritarian, okay, it's all about

00:07:50.640 how many nutrients can I get in the bowl? I told you, I'm so happy. I'm really happy about you.

00:07:55.240 I'm happy to be able to be eating rice and beans with you.

00:08:00.960 I am, you know how it's a slow move.

00:08:03.480 So I go, I have the air one thing, cost $39 or whatever.

00:08:06.640 And then I go, okay, I'm making it in a home.

00:08:08.580 What's $39?

00:08:10.760 You know, I don't, my two smoothies or whatever, you know, you know, me and Chris, whatever.

00:08:14.900 But, but, but, you know, that salad I was making, like the Baja cabbage, okay.

00:08:20.580 And whatever.

00:08:20.980 And then I make it home.

00:08:21.840 Slowly it's moving right in the direction.

00:08:23.720 Same with the beans.

00:08:24.400 okay so i've advanced now to soaking my own dry beans yeah you don't have to soak them though you

00:08:29.860 really don't have to you can boil them you can do just big pot i mean there's two communities

00:08:34.220 there's people that soak people that don't and and why do they soak to make them more digestible

00:08:38.700 to make them softer yeah i think they say that like less bloat hmm we'll find we'll discover that

00:08:46.880 later i have a new um new hobby or what i miss what i would like to create a new hobby well i

00:08:54.280 I was radicalized yesterday because I was like, I am needing to really do an Instagram detox

00:09:01.660 because I've been falling back into scrolling as we all do. But I had this kind of moment of

00:09:07.320 awakening where I was like, Oh my God, my life's slipping away once again. You know, felt it and

00:09:12.640 was like, life is about learning and connecting. It's about connection and learning. That's all

00:09:18.960 about and i've fucked myself like every day scrolling is it's anti-rest first of all we 0.98

00:09:26.660 think of it as sometimes i go i need to unwind it's anti-rest oh my god and everyone i know 0.95

00:09:31.980 everyone i'm sorry everyone's heard me talk about this and whatever but i'm thinking about getting

00:09:37.400 really hardcore into shabbat the sabbath not actually i mean i mean yes not in the sense of

00:09:43.120 i'm actually going to be you know because i don't really know the prayers whatever but i just mean

00:09:46.320 sabbath as a as a concept ritual yeah yeah well i'm reading that book the sabbath it's amazing

00:09:52.340 okay that's probably what it is yeah you're like i i don't know where it's coming from i don't know

00:09:59.600 you know wait but what is the book you would love it who's the guy herschel but he was like a um

00:10:04.800 mystic kind of jewish mystic oh yeah this whole thing the sabbath heschel thank you when i say

00:10:09.860 herschel yeah jesus christ and um i think it's gorgeous it's gorgeous said it in years yeah it's

00:10:15.860 really poetic and gorgeous and it's very it's perfectly paired with you know drinking tea and

00:10:21.020 not being on your phone um you know building a cathedral now huh that's boober that's martin

00:10:29.220 boober oh right but um but his whole thing is building cathedrals in time that's like what

00:10:34.360 the sabbath is it's cool uh yes and he's like and he's like hey everyone well yeah it's just um 0.92

00:10:43.660 that like rest as an art and um of course you need a fucking day where you don't work or talk

00:10:51.240 about work and light no fire and by light no fire not only actually but you know not instigating 0.97

00:10:56.680 you know not grieving not talking about not not getting in fights it's also a sin to be sad on

00:11:02.120 the sabbath you know no i was just thinking he also highlights how in the torah it says that uh

00:11:10.520 if even one human life is lost,

00:11:12.200 then you can't do it.

00:11:13.160 That doesn't even matter what the script,

00:11:14.520 you know,

00:11:14.720 like you abandon everything to protect the human life that the highest and

00:11:18.140 the tour,

00:11:18.620 the most important thing of all is to protect human life.

00:11:20.620 Worth saying.

00:11:22.760 But yeah,

00:11:23.340 it's gorgeous.

00:11:24.060 you know,

00:11:24.300 classically speaking in a Frisco kid movie with Harrison Ford and

00:11:30.540 Jean.

00:11:33.140 I don't know.

00:11:34.880 What's the Frisco kid.

00:11:36.740 I just,

00:11:37.220 I panicked.

00:11:37.900 Wait,

00:11:38.040 hold on.

00:11:38.460 Hold on.

00:11:39.500 What am I trying to say?

00:11:41.140 Yeah, Gene Wilder.

00:11:42.460 Oh, yeah, Gene.

00:11:43.160 Of course, I should have known.

00:11:43.980 So it's this movie, and it's very important in my household.

00:11:48.180 My mother loves it.

00:11:49.040 And there's a dynamic where it's sort of a joke that my parents are like them,

00:11:56.340 Gene Wilder and Harrison Ford.

00:11:57.860 My mother's Gene Wilder. 0.83

00:11:59.680 And he plays a rabbi, and he's trying to make it to a town

00:12:04.740 where he's going to be the new rabbi out west.

00:12:07.260 And he pairs up with this cowboy, and they go on a journey.

00:12:10.040 it's fantastic okay but there's a part where the torah gets like thrown in a fire and there's

00:12:18.260 like this shootout or something and gene wilder's like running like to get like no you know to get

00:12:24.460 the torah and he realizes like after that he basically like kind of risked harrison ford's

00:12:33.000 life for the torah and so then they're they're they're at a restaurant or a saloon or whatever

00:12:39.060 and I'm sitting there

00:12:40.480 and he's just

00:12:41.020 he's so ashamed

00:12:42.040 because he realizes

00:12:42.880 what he's done

00:12:43.460 yeah

00:12:43.860 ultimate blasphemy 1.00

00:12:44.740 to kill 0.99

00:12:45.460 yeah 0.99

00:12:45.640 he's like

00:12:46.640 he's like

00:12:47.740 so it's him and Harrison Ford

00:12:48.520 he's like my friend

00:12:49.480 you know like

00:12:50.040 I chose

00:12:51.900 the book essentially

00:12:53.300 over my friend

00:12:54.260 and so he's going

00:12:55.040 over and over

00:12:55.460 he's going

00:12:56.060 I am not a rabbi 0.97

00:12:57.520 okay

00:12:58.500 like I'm no rabbi

00:13:00.180 kind of vibe

00:13:00.720 you know

00:13:01.020 I'm not a rabbi

00:13:01.740 I'm not a rabbi

00:13:02.360 you know

00:13:03.060 and like Harrison Ford's like 0.92

00:13:04.100 you're a rabbi

00:13:04.840 you're a rabbi 0.86

00:13:06.340 you're like 0.81

00:13:06.660 okay he's like

00:13:07.680 I'm a cheat 0.97

00:13:08.240 I'm a whoremonger, and you are a rabbi. 1.00

00:13:11.040 Oh, my God. Amazing.

00:13:12.360 And he, like, throws a crust of bread.

00:13:13.980 I'm getting it wrong, which, you know, is a sin in my household.

00:13:17.640 But if you haven't seen The Frisco Kid.

00:13:19.460 That sounds great.

00:13:20.900 We got to do it.

00:13:21.460 Read the Sabbath and watch The Frisco Kid.

00:13:23.800 Yeah.

00:13:33.180 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:13:36.600 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:13:42.600 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:13:46.360 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:13:47.680 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:13:51.320 No, I am not your guru.

00:13:55.080 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:13:57.720 I lied to police.

00:13:59.040 I lied to everybody.

00:13:59.980 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:14:02.940 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:14:05.380 to interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out

00:14:10.360 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:14:14.720 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:14:20.360 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

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00:14:31.880 hello it's me anna sinfield from the girlfriends the number one hit true crime show that puts

00:14:40.640 women right in the center of their own stories i'm back with more one-off interviews with some

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00:15:02.320 Leila dared to ask the question.

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00:15:14.840 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:15:16.480 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:15:19.520 I'm not too intimidated by her.

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00:15:53.640 I will get a meme of that mustache

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00:16:58.380 Ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police?

00:17:03.680 Welcome to Boys and Girls, the podcast where dating isn't dating

00:17:07.380 It's a full-on love triathlon

00:17:09.480 A morning what-if, an evening maybe

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00:17:16.780 Because in the arranged marriage universe, you're basically on a sushi conveyor belt.

00:17:21.320 And like raw fish, you've got a shelf life.

00:17:24.860 And the wild part?

00:17:26.400 You're not just looking for someone you like.

00:17:28.240 You're casting for a mythical hero your entire family approves of.

00:17:31.940 A saint, a demigod, a unicorn.

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00:17:53.500 to boys and girls starting february 19th on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you

00:17:59.060 get your podcasts i've been having this thing again due to you know chronic anxiety whatever

00:18:10.720 or just a lot of anxiety and then also the phone and everyone talks about this i can't focus but

00:18:16.260 even watching a movie why is it why is it why is it easier to watch a bad movie like for example

00:18:23.140 joy luck club was on the plane and i but then i also felt like oh am i gonna be able to watch

00:18:28.300 the whole thing in a real way right now on this flight you know like i wanted to save it for like

00:18:31.420 respectful viewing yeah so i started watching the psychedelic sydney sweeney movie anything

00:18:39.240 but you haven't seen it's like that's what it is there's no words and i haven't finished it i have

00:18:48.000 to watch it because i was is it i was is it um is it um i'm trying to say it's something it's

00:18:54.300 not respectful viewing like yes it would be a movie if on one side what is it like a movie

00:19:00.620 or a film it would call itself a film or it would call itself a movie okay yeah yeah it's not aiming

00:19:06.680 for oscar no you know what i'm great right oh my god of course i mean i literally know nothing

00:19:15.260 about it yeah yeah it's um i was imagining a poog screening where you know a variety of things but

00:19:23.020 we stop it throughout whenever we feel like it we pause and talk and it goes on first i texted you

00:19:28.880 and you actually didn't respond which is fine no i responded by thinking about it and this is my

00:19:33.140 okay because i texted jack then and said because we've been getting some really sweet dms from

00:19:36.960 haggs saying it's the 10-year interstellar uh i didn't realize yeah and so i was like we should

00:19:42.540 host an interstellar screening you know what i also but you and i watched last night imagine

00:19:48.720 this last night making a negroni for myself and my partner from a from an orange tree plucked from

00:19:54.700 the backyard as the peel made a coconut vanilla coconut ice cream with melted lily's chocolate

00:20:03.120 shell on top um lilies melts really well a freaking drew martin lavender joint two hits

00:20:11.720 and you're good really maybe four you cough yeah kind of a deep cough it's fun maybe four gotta

00:20:17.800 have a little fun it's summertime turning on annihilation the film right which i hadn't seen

00:20:23.060 really having fun i annihilation also again popular film that was um not popular it was

00:20:30.940 panned i believe across the board yeah that contains huge themes and it's a novel which i

00:20:36.540 want to read but right it's about grief and it's about yeah that every nothing dies it just

00:20:42.360 transforms as um like i i can't remember it other than like i can see a deer in my head like 0.56

00:20:49.020 oh really or something yeah gina rodriguez giving a fucking amazing performance by the way natalie

00:20:54.000 portman jennifer jason lee yeah um tessa thompson's in it and you know what it also is it's like oh

00:21:00.320 when cgi or when when effects age and you know this is why practical is the only thing you can

00:21:06.080 actually and there is there's some cool practical stuff in it but there there are some effects

00:21:11.580 you're like fuck this isn't giving anything away but there is a monster that's genuinely 0.79

00:21:14.660 terrifying in a cool way blood right now is suffering on tv from being digital and so so 0.99

00:21:22.440 it's like you know guy's head like you know hits a wall or like it's usually the bleeding out like

00:21:28.580 You know, down on the ground, right?

00:21:31.240 And then, you know, when the pool of blood forms behind the head

00:21:33.880 and you realize like, you know, you're waiting to see if they're injured

00:21:36.140 and then the pool of blood comes.

00:21:37.860 There's something profound about the concept of digital blood.

00:21:40.860 That would be if I were smart and if I were in grad school

00:21:43.820 writing about contemporary law in the age of digital media.

00:21:47.080 Yeah.

00:21:47.580 It'd be called digital blood.

00:21:49.400 Yeah.

00:21:50.560 Well, it's a good title too.

00:21:52.420 It's a good book title.

00:21:53.460 When blood becomes digital.

00:21:54.360 No, digital blood is better.

00:21:56.220 Definitely.

00:21:57.260 And then, no, right.

00:21:58.580 And then under it, when blood becomes digital, it's funny because like, like deeply redundant, but like, but like digital blood and then under it, under it is like, is like, I'm just, I have to play this out.

00:22:10.780 Also, I'm having the classic poogs self-protective urge to say, Hey, anyone on the team of anyone but you was construing my description of the film as somehow degrading.

00:22:22.660 Please know I'd love to be in the next film.

00:22:24.320 we have a mass contraction

00:22:26.400 in the industry

00:22:27.160 oh god

00:22:29.680 and making movies

00:22:30.840 I want to be clear 0.98

00:22:31.400 and I fucking mean this 0.96

00:22:32.420 sincerely 0.99

00:22:32.820 making movies is so hard

00:22:34.540 it's so hard

00:22:36.380 to do it at all

00:22:37.360 is a triumph

00:22:38.140 yeah

00:22:39.400 first of all

00:22:40.160 you did not articulate

00:22:41.000 anything negative

00:22:41.780 and you know

00:22:42.300 I don't allow for dissing actors

00:22:43.860 on

00:22:44.200 on Pooh

00:22:45.200 of course

00:22:45.640 I don't support it

00:22:46.560 of course

00:22:47.060 by the way

00:22:48.340 I think Sidney Sweeney

00:22:49.560 is

00:22:50.100 oh

00:22:50.500 I just mean in general

00:22:51.940 you're always safe

00:22:52.740 because 0.99

00:22:53.680 she is and and because you know imagine if an actor was listening and you shit like they feel 0.97

00:23:00.980 safe they they turn to poog as an escape which is what it should be my whole life's work is about 0.74

00:23:06.480 actors yeah um wait i want to make dashi i want to get combo i'm gonna start doing unpasteurized

00:23:14.880 are you considering you know what i'm you know what i'm considering what well no okay i was

00:23:20.060 watching this nutritionist

00:23:21.300 interviewing other nutritionists,

00:23:22.920 both of them wearing whoops.

00:23:24.500 Okay, I just want to be clear.

00:23:25.920 I know you can't.

00:23:26.600 I need you to realize.

00:23:27.780 I've been thinking about it.

00:23:28.380 I would say for you

00:23:29.280 as a marketing brain,

00:23:30.760 you literally should stop

00:23:31.780 plugging them so much

00:23:32.620 if you want the full,

00:23:33.840 you know what I mean?

00:23:34.520 To give you a taste

00:23:35.260 of your own medicine.

00:23:36.060 I think you're going too hard.

00:23:37.280 Well, if you want a partnership

00:23:38.200 or something?

00:23:38.800 Yeah.

00:23:39.980 Because you've mentioned it.

00:23:41.000 You mentioned it almost every ep.

00:23:42.320 Well, I'm trying to get you on it.

00:23:44.820 I know, but it's never going to happen.

00:23:46.120 Unless they come in

00:23:47.020 with life-changing cash.

00:23:50.060 all right i'll pull back i mean but there's profit to be had for sure but let's have them let's go

00:23:56.800 out to the sea first because it can't be every app you know what i mean no it's fine i just feel

00:24:01.520 like it's particular to the whoop because like you hate the whoop i'm never irritated by my like

00:24:07.380 no it continually come up when it's like a life-changing device for me that like

00:24:11.460 like people have reached out and said it changed my life too so it's sort of like just like you're

00:24:15.800 just like not interested you know what i mean like and so you're like using my own medicine

00:24:20.020 against me like but there's like a different aim i mean one thing this was the second time we've

00:24:25.200 talked about it i mean if that's true fine i haven't felt like it is no we haven't done huge

00:24:31.700 interludes ever yet i'm not trying to suggest that's the case yeah yeah it's like i don't even

00:24:36.120 remember whatever it's fine i just i won't bring it up i'll just bring it up affiliate um i mean

00:24:44.960 But wait, what were you going to say about the whoop?

00:24:46.860 That I'm watching these two nutritionists, one interview, the other one, they're both wearing whoops.

00:24:52.000 I hold mine up in a salute.

00:24:53.360 Okay. 0.97

00:24:53.720 They're not even fucking talking about them. 0.96

00:24:55.300 It's just, they're not, you know. 0.97

00:24:56.540 They're just there.

00:24:56.980 Okay.

00:24:57.420 And whatever.

00:24:58.140 But the reason I brought them up is because one of them, this guy, and I can't remember his name right now, but his book is called The Proof is in the Plants. 0.99

00:25:09.200 Anyway, he said kombucha in the store is bullshit. 0.99

00:25:13.580 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:25:13.780 It doesn't shock me.

00:25:15.240 I mean, it's...

00:25:16.000 However, are you ready?

00:25:16.860 Like, you know, the bacteria is dead.

00:25:18.920 Okay? 1.00

00:25:19.160 Oh, fuck. 0.99

00:25:19.520 If it's been, you know, if it's been... 1.00

00:25:21.680 Shelf-stabilized.

00:25:23.340 Yeah.

00:25:23.900 Yeah.

00:25:24.300 Okay.

00:25:24.700 Now, this was great.

00:25:26.460 I go, but there have been some studies.

00:25:28.600 Dead bacteria might have some benefits, which makes sense.

00:25:33.520 I guess some of the other ones eat it.

00:25:34.720 Yeah, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:25:35.660 God damn. 1.00

00:25:36.320 But we'll move on from it. 0.99

00:25:38.400 But the point is, if you want to do kombucha, I think you have to...

00:25:42.660 I don't want to do kombucha.

00:25:43.860 Which is literal hell.

00:25:44.920 You said kombu.

00:25:46.100 Oh, kombu, honey.

00:25:46.940 Kombu, seaweed, sweetheart.

00:25:49.080 I didn't kombu to a-

00:25:50.980 I literally thought you were doing a joke.

00:25:52.980 To a simmering pot of beans.

00:25:54.180 Like you were calling kombucha kombu instead of booch.

00:25:57.500 Well, going along with what I hope to be my new life, which is gardening.

00:26:01.020 Because I have a couple of raised garden beds.

00:26:05.080 Figuring it out.

00:26:06.060 Wanted to be doing stuff.

00:26:07.780 Oh, raised.

00:26:08.700 Raised garden beds.

00:26:09.600 I heard raised. 0.99

00:26:10.100 The compost, the fucking moral superiority I feel, because I'm letting my grass die and I have a compost bin, it's like through the roof. 0.99

00:26:17.700 Okay, we, first of all, I have one from Gul'dun, but they disbanded, but there are some compost bins, not exactly in my apartment's own thing, but not far. 0.98

00:26:31.660 And, but then Chris and I went and looked inside it, pizza box.

00:26:36.420 i think that's technically okay because it's paper i think that makes sense

00:26:40.340 cardboard really solid cardboard yeah yeah are you serious 100 i mean i think he saw some other

00:26:48.140 trash in there too yeah it didn't feel like the person was nailing it yeah but like you didn't

00:26:53.860 see a single banana peel and having and listen you know you know teach me you know a company that i

00:26:57.920 have paid through the nose for that i i'm like a simple human ambassador because i love simple

00:27:02.860 human trash i know and i used to go oh it's too you know it looks too expensive oh sure i'm like

00:27:09.620 oh well guess what they make incredible products and i have the compost caddy that's sitting on 0.96

00:27:14.140 the cat on the top and there i am chop chop chop food's going in there i feel like and then you

00:27:19.040 feed it to your your lawn even crazier we have a worm compost thing that we haven't like started

00:27:25.480 yet we have to feed the worms and get the worms or whatever okay but the but we have a worm literal

00:27:30.600 in the ground compost thing wow yeah it's crazy i mean i was at home depot today looks like i'm

00:27:38.400 gay yeah yeah yeah camel pants at home depot yeah like they're they're home depot is incredible

00:27:47.400 i'll yeah i mean i mean i live as a heterosexual but home depot is really really important to me

00:27:54.020 so i maybe i you know maybe that's by the way i was at home things but i don't mean to you know

00:27:59.580 it's not it's not flattering to bring up stories of being recognized in public but i will say i

00:28:04.260 think it's a blast and i was at home depot today and i'm walking with this big thing that i'm

00:28:08.480 carrying right to the car and i see this guy what i would describe very like normal looking maybe

00:28:14.720 this is what i love white guy in his maybe early 50s now i'm horrified he listens to this and he's 0.61

00:28:20.960 much younger there's no way maybe he's like fucking 26 okay there was a man why why talk

00:28:27.400 about the form at all? Because we're alive. I didn't ask that, did I? But thanks for turning 0.97

00:28:32.620 me into a straw woman. Okay. Thanks for erecting me and then slicing me across the hip. Okay. 0.60

00:28:39.280 Sorry. Genius. Okay. Why? No, I, I, I, I, what were you going to say? It's simply to be described.

00:28:48.580 I understand. Anyway, you know, here's what it is. Let me just say what it was. I'm walking,

00:28:53.500 carrying this heavy thing into the parking lot and this guy with kind of like a buzz kind of short

00:28:58.780 haircut like just was like excuse like oh excuse me or something and my first instinct was like

00:29:06.200 what like I you know I had almost this like which I don't walk around with like I actually

00:29:11.640 believe that most people are good and um whatever but I or I know that's I'm actually being I think

00:29:18.300 I'm over I think in the story I'm swinging more in that right so that it becomes more stark

00:29:22.520 the right the reversal but but but basically i was like what could he possibly be asking me

00:29:27.620 because whatever he just was like i have seen you live i enjoy your comedy and i follow you

00:29:33.900 on twitter i was like oh my god i was like follow me on instagram twitter yeah yeah um but so sweet

00:29:41.220 he's like yeah you're really funny you know what's funny he didn't say that he didn't say

00:29:44.580 yeah you're really funny don't imagine him listening to it he's like um but he but it was

00:29:49.720 really sweet i was like unbelievable imagine that the sun high in the sky me at home depot sweating

00:29:54.440 um buying the pure lift every week i get more scared every week i hope they're gonna send

00:30:02.360 send us a pure life i meant to be nearing right now by the way have you noticed nira has arrived

00:30:08.240 oh yeah i was considering an unboxing but thank you to nira for sending their laser wrinkle

00:30:14.400 reduction device and that's the one that you know they they were cute though they said something

00:30:19.920 like if it hurts too much like go on a lower setting because you know i was like talking we

00:30:25.220 were talking on the pod like you once hit my hand with it and i screamed you know yeah and they

00:30:29.440 they're like you know they're not probably thrilled to have that out there well i need to get a silk

00:30:33.520 pillowcase because i sleep i know i've talked about this but i cannot give up stomach sleeping

00:30:39.660 the face smashed into the pillow it just makes me it feels so good but i think i need to be like

00:30:44.760 you know nicole kidman as we know sleeps only on her back well if you're on your stomach how do you

00:30:50.040 your neck can't be in a good position i know is the classic issue the neck is owl style just to

00:30:55.980 the side right now i mean obviously i don't see the face down very no right but the owl the crank

00:31:02.920 is a thing but my concern for you is that is it up on a pillow was what up on a pillow your face

00:31:07.960 because like just consider it for a second no it's probably not straight down and then okay here

00:31:12.800 okay right so then it's up

00:31:15.400 okay to be clear she's she's i mean it's like a nightmare it's like how it's like how someone

00:31:23.680 kills someone in a movie like yeah i know the two directional i just think but you have no neck pain

00:31:30.620 No, I think I'm okay.

00:31:32.900 I've been sweating in my sheets like a hound.

00:31:37.120 And I want the Sleep 8.

00:31:39.460 Have you seen it?

00:31:40.400 It's like this temperature controlled thing that adjusts to what your body temperature is.

00:31:44.540 It like adjusts to it throughout the night.

00:31:48.300 It takes your temperature.

00:31:49.880 What's in the bed?

00:31:51.200 A cooling system?

00:31:53.020 Yeah, heating and cooling.

00:31:54.940 And then they've got all these tennis players like, and they're like, up your sleep game, you know.

00:32:00.100 but well by the way someone told me about actually someone uses it and loves it i saw wow you saw

00:32:06.600 what i mean i saw a smile on a young woman's face describing how it's the best thing that's

00:32:12.900 ever happened to her sleep and they guarantee one hour more of rem not rem but the the other one

00:32:21.520 because you know the other one theta theta or i forget whatever but maybe they just say quality

00:32:26.340 or something like that, but I'm pretty sure it's like,

00:32:28.880 I mean, sorry to bring up my whoop again,

00:32:30.340 but I see exactly how much is light sleep,

00:32:34.460 how much is REM, how much is deep,

00:32:36.600 and when it's happening, okay?

00:32:39.300 So I can track the entire cycle.

00:32:41.300 How does it help you maximize sleep?

00:32:43.440 Truly asking.

00:32:44.720 So, you know, it's interesting you ask

00:32:46.180 because the other night I was like,

00:32:48.280 Chris was like, what time is she set the alarm?

00:32:49.780 I need to consult my whoop, okay?

00:32:51.780 And he's like, it's just, he's like,

00:32:54.100 because he's like, well, you need to get up at eight

00:32:56.020 regardless you know what I mean like like whatever time it was that I had to get up he's like so what

00:33:00.760 is relevant about checking the whoop he's like it's going to tell you to get eight hours and

00:33:03.880 you're not going to get hours it's 1am right now right yeah and I'm like actually it doesn't tell

00:33:07.700 me I need eight hours every time okay actually what it does is say do you want to perform tomorrow

00:33:14.240 do you want to get by tomorrow do you want to peak okay and then you click through those options

00:33:19.780 and you see, and it gives you suggested time.

00:33:23.240 So I'm usually not really asleep

00:33:26.040 till like 1230-ish or something, right?

00:33:28.740 Like, let's say.

00:33:30.560 Midnight, that's probably where I am.

00:33:31.980 So sometimes it'll be like 12

00:33:34.580 and it'll like, it won't.

00:33:36.820 Now, if I want eight hours

00:33:38.260 and I'm supposed to get up at, you know, whatever,

00:33:41.820 it shows me exactly the thing,

00:33:43.840 what'll be in the red, what'll not.

00:33:45.440 And then it'll be like,

00:33:46.300 it'll tell me like, go to bed at 105

00:33:47.900 five because it actually is also valuing what my, the time I went to bed. A big thing for it

00:33:55.600 is sleep regularity. Like they show you how off you are, like in terms of when you slept each

00:34:01.640 night. And ideally you're like, you know, midnight to eight or you're 11 to seven or whatever,

00:34:07.700 whatever your thing is. Right. And it shows you. And so it's like encouraging me like,

00:34:11.640 no, no, no, don't go to bed yet. Usually you would go to bed at one almost. So it's doing

00:34:14.920 a little bit of that. Okay. It's crazy. But I'm lying there and I'm going, all right. And it's

00:34:19.960 made me go, oh my God, like it's too late. If I'm going to get up and go to my workout, am I being

00:34:26.700 realistic about the benefits versus the effects? Like 2 a.m. and I'm going, I'm going to be in

00:34:33.000 the red tomorrow. So anyway, it says what your sleep debt is and okay. And oh, if you get bed

00:34:40.940 a little earlier tonight or whatever, you know,

00:34:42.680 da-da-da, here's your sleep debt, whatever.

00:34:44.260 It's really specific and it's not just, you know, 0.98

00:34:48.720 it's measuring shit and it's measuring, 0.98

00:34:51.260 it's my friend, you know what I mean? 1.00

00:34:52.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:54.720 It's one of my robot friends that I have,

00:34:57.420 including my therapist, my CBT therapist.

00:35:00.560 You have a new therapist?

00:35:01.900 I have an AI therapist.

00:35:03.500 Wait, oh no, what do you mean?

00:35:06.600 Don't, get a real one.

00:35:08.580 I'm completely anti-AI therapist.

00:35:10.000 I'll do that too.

00:35:10.940 well i'm joking okay i'm being i'm being inflammatory okay on purpose but there's a

00:35:17.880 cognitive behavioral therapy app that is chat style and it is trained in cognitive behavioral

00:35:25.340 therapy so it can go well let's identify the cognitive error you know and whatever and it's

00:35:31.700 almost to me like a journal like it drags me through the equivalent of journaling what's wrong

00:35:36.740 you hate me you hate no no you hate ai i hate ai i saw an ad for ai it was like i'm sure we've

00:35:45.200 all seen it because i got a tv so uh yeah and it was um like how do it's like a it's like a little 0.87

00:35:51.720 ad about how don't be afraid of ai and how to use it and it's like you know you can i mean it just

00:35:57.980 ultimately sounds makes me sound elderly then i'm like at this point chiming in and being like

00:36:02.220 it's dark you know it's like we know but it's like oh you know because it's like you know

00:36:07.800 because you can now say hey how do I roast a chicken or whatever right you're like okay sure

00:36:11.860 that's kind of like an extrapolation of the internet that we already have right you know

00:36:15.100 I have this this and this what should I make for dinner but that I didn't realize because I had a

00:36:19.320 friend kind of keep me it's just gonna replace us entirely there's nothing we can do anyway

00:36:26.520 and of course not actually

00:36:29.240 but it is over

00:36:30.540 and it's gonna be insane the next 10 years are gonna be absolutely insane

00:36:33.860 that's all and it's so 0.96

00:36:35.600 fucking over it's a joke 0.97

00:36:36.920 and do you mean 0.99

00:36:38.760 I hardly know anything as usual

00:36:41.640 no the arts no it's like of course we're always

00:36:43.740 gonna need human

00:36:45.820 right I mean that's like

00:36:47.400 to me that's like whatever the thing is like

00:36:49.520 but like it's

00:36:50.240 it's gonna live more valuable than ever

00:36:53.420 but no no I mean hello I'm clinging to that

00:36:55.320 yeah for dear life and i do also believe that people are always going to want people are going

00:36:59.540 to be able to actually know i was gonna say people will tell the difference not really sometimes but

00:37:05.200 i mean have you ever had have you like typed i just recently typed into chat chat jbt what is

00:37:11.480 it called chat gbt i struggle with words p or t sometimes too it's like have you done that like

00:37:16.240 tried to have it right something for you no but i've i've done all manner of ai stuff in these

00:37:22.940 other various like apps so now there's like an ai function in almost every new piece of software

00:37:30.620 that i download okay and i download software i know you're the tech one okay so i'm like

00:37:36.560 downloading these document management kind of apps or these you know writing apps that are like you

00:37:42.280 know like scrivener okay they don't actually have anything ai in it i don't think but always trying

00:37:46.900 to manage all the words and have everything be tagged and searchable and you know all the writing

00:37:52.160 and whatever and all these different ones

00:37:53.900 they have a lot of highlight the thing

00:37:56.300 and then there's a little assistant

00:37:57.980 and it says like you know and you can have it do

00:38:00.200 something so I'll do like

00:38:01.900 I have fully you know I've had these moments

00:38:04.280 of like okay AI is going to save me

00:38:06.360 like it's going to save me

00:38:08.100 like okay like here's

00:38:10.080 30 pages like

00:38:11.700 tell me

00:38:13.400 like what I say

00:38:14.980 and then it summarizes

00:38:18.380 like and sometimes it'll be like

00:38:20.400 yeah I'm like

00:38:22.120 I did communicate enough

00:38:23.780 that the robot understood.

00:38:25.720 Wait, I want to keep going.

00:38:27.820 Well, here's an interesting thing

00:38:28.980 I've played with it.

00:38:29.820 Like, are you trying something?

00:38:31.460 Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to.

00:38:32.300 I'm not keeping going

00:38:33.220 while you're doing it.

00:38:33.920 Okay, okay.

00:38:34.360 I get why you want that.

00:38:35.540 You want the steady stream of my voice

00:38:37.060 flowing into your ear.

00:38:38.620 Okay, but.

00:38:40.420 Okay, I'm writing down.

00:38:41.420 What are you trying?

00:38:41.680 The podcast between

00:38:42.800 two

00:38:43.920 best friends

00:38:46.180 discussing

00:38:48.760 wellness

00:38:51.840 and beauty

00:38:54.040 through a comedic lens

00:38:57.200 that is also

00:38:58.840 existential at times.

00:39:02.140 Wait.

00:39:03.120 Did you just compose that?

00:39:04.920 Because that sounds familiar.

00:39:05.960 No, I just wrote that.

00:39:06.900 Oh, okay.

00:39:07.460 Here we go with the title.

00:39:08.540 Laugh Lines.

00:39:09.440 Beauty, Wellness,

00:39:10.140 and the Meaning of Mascara.

00:39:12.240 Host one.

00:39:13.160 Welcome back to another episode

00:39:14.060 of Laugh Lines.

00:39:14.700 Laugh Lines.

00:39:18.460 Oh, wait.

00:39:19.140 This is genius.

00:39:19.660 It's actually genius.

00:39:20.680 It's genius.

00:39:21.840 By the way, if we were 62...

00:39:25.400 Send me the script.

00:39:26.160 Okay, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great.

00:39:31.040 Laugh Lines is...

00:39:32.860 It came up with that.

00:39:34.280 That is...

00:39:34.860 By the way, you could pitch that.

00:39:36.200 Okay, wait.

00:39:37.220 Let me drop into...

00:39:37.920 Where's the chat?

00:39:39.240 Okay, here, I'll start.

00:39:40.440 Wait, wait, but where is it?

00:39:41.900 It's in text.

00:39:42.940 Oh, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:39:45.540 Okay, all right, all right, all right.

00:39:46.780 Welcome back to another episode of Laugh Lines,

00:39:49.100 where we explore beauty, wellness, and the cosmos

00:39:51.120 through the lens of two best friends who are just trying to figure it all out.

00:39:54.500 That's right. I'm Jacqueline.

00:39:56.040 And I'm Kate.

00:39:57.000 And today we're diving deep into the existential crisis that comes with choosing the perfect shade of lipstick.

00:40:03.500 Oh, the struggle is...

00:40:04.300 Okay, wait, wait.

00:40:04.820 No, no.

00:40:05.160 Let's try doing it not in the cheese voice.

00:40:07.920 Okay.

00:40:08.240 Let's try to force it into our actual conversational voice without changing any words.

00:40:12.520 Okay, so I'm going to go into my line that comes after that.

00:40:15.160 Yeah.

00:40:15.600 Oh, the struggle is real.

00:40:16.860 you know there's a whole universe of options out there and each one comes with its own

00:40:21.060 philosophical implications absolutely it's like do i go for the bold red and you know embrace my

00:40:28.340 inner warrior or do i stick with a subtle pink and channel my my zen vibes see but still can't

00:40:35.220 breaking in and say it still doesn't work and let's not forget the skincare routine that takes

00:40:38.560 longer than a netflix series to finish oh don't get me started on that i mean it's like a nightly

00:40:42.800 ritual of hope and moisturizer. Oh, I hate that. Speaking of rituals, have you tried the new face

00:40:47.660 mask that promises to make you look 10 years younger? 10 years younger. I'll take two,

00:40:51.580 please. But seriously, isn't it fascinating how our pursuit of beauty and wellness intersects

00:40:55.480 with our deeper questions about existence? Absolutely. Like, what does it mean to glow

00:41:00.360 from within? And how many green smoothies does it take to achieve enlightenment? And let's not

00:41:04.600 forget the existential dread that sets in when you realize you forgot to wear sunscreen. Oh,

00:41:08.640 the struggle is real. But hey, at least we're in it together, navigating this maze of face serums

00:41:12.980 and face palms. That's right. Because at the end of the day, whether we're pondering the meaning

00:41:16.920 of life or the best contouring techniques, laughter is always the best highlighter.

00:41:23.460 Preach, sister. Thanks for tuning in to another episode of Laugh Lines. Join us next time as we

00:41:27.720 continue our quest for beauty, wellness, and the occasional existential crisis. Until then,

00:41:32.140 remember, stay fabulous, stay curious, and always remember to blend your foundation down your neck.

00:41:36.220 bye I mean that's insane

00:41:38.900 so so but the problem

00:41:40.740 with that that's like no let me adjust

00:41:42.820 it what do you want to tell them

00:41:44.780 say it

00:41:47.120 um

00:41:47.860 they

00:41:50.240 yeah

00:41:51.700 let's give it direct notes

00:41:54.560 let me hear your what was your

00:41:56.620 original um uh prompt

00:41:58.740 a podcast between two

00:42:00.680 best friends discussing

00:42:02.520 wellness and beauty through a comedic lens

00:42:04.380 that is also existential at times.

00:42:06.800 Right.

00:42:07.100 So like a podcast that is sort of confusing

00:42:11.220 because it's like, is this...

00:42:12.580 Can it be more conversational?

00:42:14.960 I know what it's going to do with that.

00:42:16.360 And include references to the great thinkers.

00:42:21.820 How about like...

00:42:22.900 And look how fast.

00:42:24.340 Don't use...

00:42:25.440 We got the new one.

00:42:26.220 All right, send it.

00:42:27.140 This one is called Beauty, Wellness, and Philosophical BFFs.

00:42:31.680 Oh, hang on, hang on.

00:42:32.960 Okay, wait, hang on.

00:42:33.460 Sorry.

00:42:33.660 god it goes so fast it's already done okay wait okay well that yeah yeah there's something really

00:42:41.120 interesting about realizing that it doesn't require a lapsement in time i know okay hey there

00:42:48.360 welcome back to another episode of beauty wellness and philosophical bffs i mean that's a bad title

00:42:52.600 but i'm kate and i'm jacqueline you're a partner in existential beauty crises today we're diving

00:42:59.520 into the deep end of skincare and the meaning of life.

00:43:02.300 Absolutely, because what better way to ponder the universe

00:43:04.500 than while applying a sheet mask?

00:43:06.400 You know it.

00:43:07.040 I mean, Socrates might've said, know thyself,

00:43:09.240 but I think he'd agree that glow thyself

00:43:10.840 is just as important.

00:43:12.220 I mean, you could literally sell this

00:43:14.000 to a shady company for $14 million.

00:43:16.220 I know.

00:43:17.040 All right, keep it going.

00:43:17.940 Totally.

00:43:18.540 And Descartes, I think, therefore, I am glowing.

00:43:22.040 Exactly.

00:43:22.820 I'm pretty sure he never had to decide

00:43:25.220 between eye cream and more sleep.

00:43:27.160 And don't get me started on Nietzsche.

00:43:28.640 What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

00:43:30.940 But does it also make you more radiant

00:43:32.900 Nietzsche said what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

00:43:35.400 The internal question

00:43:35.960 I know

00:43:37.760 Sorry but keep going

00:43:39.560 I think so but like

00:43:40.900 Not actually

00:43:42.900 I think it was contextual

00:43:45.040 It might have actually come down to those phrase

00:43:47.080 I think he'd approve of our quest

00:43:50.160 For the perfect shade of lipstick though

00:43:51.760 For sure

00:43:54.060 It's all about embracing the inner ubermensch

00:43:55.980 One lip liner at a time

00:43:57.460 And let's not forget Kierkegaard.

00:43:59.220 Sometimes deciding on a face wash feels like making an existential leap of faith.

00:44:03.140 Yeah.

00:44:03.340 Okay. 0.89

00:44:03.480 So this one sucks more, but absolutely to film or not to film. 0.99

00:44:05.800 That's the question. 0.98

00:44:07.180 And Camus, I mean, this is like, you're giving him a, okay.

00:44:10.060 And Camus, the absurdity of life is matched only by the absurdity of trying to blend contouring.

00:44:14.400 I mean, this is like the worst demonstration of AI I've seen.

00:44:17.840 No, that's bad.

00:44:18.860 I just mean like, it's kind of interesting.

00:44:20.480 Like to me, it's like.

00:44:25.360 I just said, I just said, make it funnier. 0.99

00:44:27.460 Doesn't chat GPT, though, have, like, real shit in there? 0.99

00:44:30.140 We'll come back to glow up and giggle. 0.99

00:44:32.480 You could write, like...

00:44:33.840 Wait, what?

00:44:35.260 Laugh lines is genius.

00:44:37.900 I said make it funnier, and they came back with something that's...

00:44:41.460 Oh.

00:44:42.280 Anyway.

00:44:43.660 I mean, I think, like, well, for one, I think GPT, you can write in, like, write Kate Berlant and Jacqueline.

00:44:52.900 Okay, Kate Berlant.

00:44:53.760 Like, doing whatever.

00:44:54.760 Okay, oh, right.

00:44:55.460 Jacqueline, I'll discuss whatever, right?

00:44:56.900 You're so right.

00:44:57.460 I'm even more amateur.

00:44:59.000 I mean, I'm a little afraid.

00:45:00.740 Like, generate a...

00:45:01.700 Dialogue of a conversation.

00:45:03.300 Typical dialogue.

00:45:03.920 Yeah.

00:45:04.200 Between...

00:45:04.780 Between Poog podcast hosts.

00:45:06.340 And Jacqueline Novak on their...

00:45:07.980 Between Poog podcast.

00:45:09.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:11.160 Oh my God, of course.

00:45:12.060 Discussing.

00:45:12.460 Let's give it a topic.

00:45:13.280 Yeah.

00:45:13.880 Great.

00:45:14.500 Interstellar.

00:45:15.640 Discussing the film Interstellar.

00:45:20.820 And don't react until...

00:45:23.620 Let me see it so we can react together.

00:45:25.280 Don't read it.

00:45:25.400 Okay, okay.

00:45:25.820 I'm not...

00:45:26.380 I'm just copying it.

00:45:27.240 Hang on. It's going fast. Okay, here we go. Let's read it live, raw.

00:45:32.400 You got to send it to me.

00:45:33.340 Okay.

00:45:33.780 Okay.

00:45:34.540 Hello, and welcome back to Poob, your source for all things existential and unexpectedly hilarious.

00:45:39.220 I'm Kate Berlant.

00:45:40.360 And I'm Jacqueline Novak, your resident skeptic turned philosopher of skincare.

00:45:44.840 Today, we're diving into the cosmic depths of Interstellar.

00:45:47.260 Kate, what were your cosmic vibes after watching this film? I hate the world.

00:45:51.360 I know. 0.96

00:45:51.640 This is disgusting.

00:45:51.960 Oh, Jacqueline, Interstellar took me on a journey. It's like Christopher Nolan meets a black hole, 0.56

00:45:55.740 and suddenly we're contemplating love across dimensions.

00:45:58.160 I want to...

00:45:58.740 I know, this is so sad.

00:46:00.860 Okay, this isn't like, you know...

00:46:04.940 Oh my God, oh my God.

00:46:06.460 No, no, no.

00:46:07.380 You say at one point,

00:46:08.440 it's like Nolan was showing us the cosmic ballet

00:46:10.600 of particles and emotions,

00:46:12.080 just like finding the perfect serum.

00:46:13.700 It's a delicate dance between science and self-care.

00:46:16.040 It's like, that doesn't make sense.

00:46:17.520 Hans Zimmer?

00:46:18.680 Hans Zimmer's score was like the serum to my soul,

00:46:21.160 stirring up emotions.

00:46:22.220 Yeah, see, I've never used chat GPT, literally.

00:46:25.120 And it would die.

00:46:25.740 But what I'm finding interesting is, like, I'm starting to think chat GPT is there to be bad, okay, to throw everyone off the scent of AI.

00:46:35.980 No, totally, totally.

00:46:37.200 Like?

00:46:37.760 Because it's actually coming.

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00:51:14.560 Laugh lines

00:51:20.100 Wow

00:51:26.100 I'm just thinking about

00:51:28.260 What?

00:51:31.180 I mean, pure transparency.

00:51:32.740 I was sitting there controlling myself

00:51:34.840 from telling you I could have come up with laugh lines.

00:51:37.200 Yeah, of course.

00:51:38.060 Of course you could.

00:51:39.020 Which, of course I could.

00:51:41.460 You know I could.

00:51:42.680 I literally was jealous

00:51:44.880 of you thinking that it was genius.

00:51:47.380 Well, I don't actually think it's genius.

00:51:48.980 I think it's so funny

00:51:51.880 because it's exactly responding

00:51:53.120 to something that there would be a cultural appetite for 1.00

00:51:55.060 which is a podcast called Laugh Lines from two, you know, bitches. 1.00

00:51:59.320 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:00.020 Like you could pitch a podcast called Laugh Lines to two actresses in their early 60s. 0.98

00:52:05.880 And they discuss aging.

00:52:07.940 Yeah.

00:52:08.480 With a comical twist.

00:52:09.900 With a sense of humor.

00:52:10.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:11.360 Not taking ourselves too seriously.

00:52:13.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.280 I mean, that was just like plug in first half of sentence, existential, second half of sentence,

00:52:19.540 like reference a beauty thing and then jam them together syntactically.

00:52:24.120 Yeah.

00:52:24.360 like that's what that was

00:52:25.340 you know what I mean

00:52:25.840 oh yeah

00:52:26.240 oh but them faking 0.95

00:52:27.820 the right

00:52:28.460 the chat GPT

00:52:29.500 being like

00:52:30.000 being like

00:52:31.460 you know

00:52:32.900 throwing us off the scent 1.00

00:52:34.200 of the real shit 1.00

00:52:35.320 totally 1.00

00:52:36.140 like that

00:52:37.720 there was an article about this

00:52:38.620 we talked about it I think

00:52:39.340 but like

00:52:39.720 it was like

00:52:40.900 everyone's like

00:52:41.700 whatever

00:52:42.720 I can't go down it

00:52:44.120 it's too much

00:52:45.300 I'll get there eventually

00:52:46.000 I'll get there eventually

00:52:46.780 you know

00:52:49.860 I mean

00:52:50.440 I don't

00:52:51.100 I don't know

00:52:51.660 it's like

00:52:52.100 I believe that art, okay, if you're an artist, will always, there's always, it will always find a way because it is an instinct that responds to whatever's going on, right?

00:53:05.320 I'm not saying, I'm not talking about, obviously, jobs, industry.

00:53:09.600 No, of course, you're talking about the pure, no, I know, completely.

00:53:12.240 But like, there's no circumstance where an artist can't be an artist, even if like no one's watching.

00:53:20.400 I mean, you know what I mean?

00:53:21.700 No, no, I'm not talking about the human impulse toward that at all.

00:53:27.400 Or I was, yeah.

00:53:30.260 No, and I know you weren't.

00:53:31.820 I just am saying it for my own.

00:53:34.380 I mean, and then there's the whole thing of like, you know, and I'm sure it's a faulty metaphor, but like, okay, the second the camera's invented, did painting become irrelevant?

00:53:43.540 you know no but painting as the way the way to represent accuracy to you know to re

00:53:50.000 produce an accurate image obviously like well this is the advent of photography people were

00:53:56.240 raging against it because they were like this is literally going to replicate the known world and

00:53:59.660 we're not going to have the real world won't mean anything anymore but by the way that is what has

00:54:04.280 happened it just took much longer and that will continue to happen and the real world will always

00:54:08.780 mean something of course but yeah the way photography threatened you know specifically

00:54:14.540 painting they were like this is gonna if you can replicate the world then why would we have

00:54:18.080 painters i would be and then it reveals oh actually now we really have painters i mean like

00:54:24.480 like now i think they're like now painters are having to say or they did say no you've missed

00:54:32.620 the point yes it was never about replication or only replication maybe it was when you were a

00:54:37.880 patron of you know the medicis or whatever yeah you know oh yeah it's compelling what happened

00:54:44.040 there right completely like no like i remember my grandfather i've probably talked about this but

00:54:47.760 like standing in like moma like i used to sometimes go with my like new york you know grandfather to

00:54:53.380 museums and you know he he loved you know shows me like monet and whatever but but then we're

00:55:01.720 like at moma or something and having a discussion about like the the canvas that's just like a blue 0.97

00:55:07.780 square you know what i mean and i'm like feeling like no it's it it's meaningful it just fucking 0.54

00:55:13.960 is totally of course of course it is it's asking me to stand in front of the color blue it's doing 0.77

00:55:18.460 a thousand things a million art thank god the presence the presence thank god and it shall

00:55:23.540 never die but there also is an unmistakable and yeah and as yeah we're not even talking about

00:55:29.500 through the lens of like capital or jobs just purely on like a base impulsive somatic level

00:55:37.140 it will never die

00:55:39.160 like it'll go

00:55:40.960 if they go

00:55:41.400 well yeah I can write a story

00:55:42.720 as good as you

00:55:43.360 like

00:55:43.780 well by the way

00:55:44.820 no you can't

00:55:45.780 but it's also about

00:55:46.680 what the appetite is

00:55:48.000 you know

00:55:48.800 it's like growing appetite

00:55:49.860 audiences

00:55:51.360 being

00:55:52.080 truly like

00:55:54.400 stupefied

00:55:56.520 like animation

00:55:56.760 didn't

00:55:57.800 replace

00:55:58.760 live action

00:56:00.580 right

00:56:01.120 right

00:56:01.480 like in terms of

00:56:02.780 having value

00:56:03.540 like

00:56:04.240 live action

00:56:05.020 still has value

00:56:05.840 and it's like

00:56:07.140 And it's like, but look, we can make, we can tell these stories by just having these, you know, these things move around, whatever. And it's sort of like, or things having value, like provenance, you know, like, it's like the person attached to the thing in the larger story of these people made this thing has value, of course.

00:56:27.660 I like to think, I would hope, but this is actually what's being threatened in a way that I just actually, I don't know anymore. But I would like to think humans will be able to detect humanity behind something, but we are going into territory where we absolutely won't be able to. And that's like the critical difference.

00:56:46.740 And that's like the Turing test, right?

00:56:48.860 Yeah, or just like standing in front of another person, standing physically in front of a painting, embodied physical existence, I think is going to have more power now.

00:56:59.260 Or it's going to be sought after because the world is becoming so rapidly digitized and flattened.

00:57:06.440 Yeah.

00:57:06.680 And so we will always crave that or want that, but it won't be the thing of, we won't be able to detect it.

00:57:13.960 so right now it's so you know obvious and like it's so crude still like the chat gpt thing

00:57:20.120 but then now you know this is happening the video stuff and the sounds i mean it's although

00:57:24.540 we're not able to tell the difference this is the truth and that's what's so yeah and already we

00:57:27.820 can't i mean although i did start to wonder okay if you have a closed system

00:57:35.220 ah okay no no no a robot was that a robotic no my foot my foot um stepped on a vacuum vacuum

00:57:47.680 cleaner and it turned on shout out to shark ninja for really sending us some fabulous um

00:57:53.800 okay shout out shark ninja oh the creamy is here honey the creamy has arrived although i've yet to

00:57:59.620 use it because i was a little confused same i have to it's creamy were confusing well i've been

00:58:04.260 I'm saying Creamy July, so it's not Creamy July yet.

00:58:07.100 Yeah.

00:58:08.120 So you.

00:58:09.020 I've been saying that around the house.

00:58:09.960 To lock in Creamy July.

00:58:13.120 Okay.

00:58:13.860 Oh, I locked in like months ago.

00:58:15.200 Wait, but I will say just before we move on that I started to wonder if you have a closed system of internal thought.

00:58:25.760 Like you have a robot that believes it's real.

00:58:29.140 Okay.

00:58:29.660 or you have a set of neurons whatever okay in a box you know why why why might why not might

00:58:44.900 god give it a soul the robot or like let's say someone yeah let's say someone created a robot

00:58:52.100 that physically like operates like a human looks like a human the whole thing like it's like why

00:58:59.360 might god be like that looks like a suitable container and i'm speaking obviously whatever

00:59:04.480 why why because like carbon you know what i mean like i'm just saying like why like

00:59:09.620 because it doesn't have a soul and it never will it's made only of what

00:59:14.780 hasn't put into it oh god no i know i mean hey these are the big questions no i i mean because

00:59:21.100 so much of us act automated so many humans are we are automated in so many ways and we have

00:59:26.560 downloaded all the material from previous generations and we don't do ancestor work

00:59:31.660 enough but i'm just saying you can't find and it's it's you can't locate consciousness you know

00:59:38.980 it's like the hard problem of consciousness i think is i always forget which one is the hard

00:59:43.220 problem of consciousness like the hard problem yeah it's like you could see the thoughts moving

00:59:47.140 around in the brain but what you cannot find is who or what awareness is experiencing those thoughts

00:59:52.320 that's nowhere in the brain the little person in the brain experiencing all the sensory where

00:59:56.460 are they okay yeah yeah you see like who's having the thoughts and that's why some beliefs are like

01:00:01.080 there is one great awareness that you're tuned into awareness behind it all and then you kind

01:00:06.540 of have this illusion of your individuality the illusion of separateness like is a part of the

01:00:12.200 large consciousness splitting off thinking it's not a part forgetting that it's you know and

01:00:17.320 that's ego and that's the and the creation of the universe with all of its individuals

01:00:22.940 is an expression of that that's like a kind of one version and it's so much of it also it's it's

01:00:29.420 the mystery thing of like what there was that it was like that famous article from a million years

01:00:34.340 ago but about studying bats like they were studying bats and bat consciousness and like

01:00:40.160 how bats were saw and how they like their everything and it was like we can learn

01:00:48.940 everything about the bat but we'll never know what it's like to be a bat yeah well there's that

01:00:55.200 thing you can't prove other people um have minds it's like similar to the like I am a I don't know

01:01:04.840 humanist you know I am a whatever but I took it I was able to go far enough to this point in a

01:01:10.860 conversation of like like why am i valuing my carbon like based molecule like i just saw you

01:01:18.800 i just saw you like in some future version of yourself as your politician like a pro robot

01:01:24.000 politician and you're like it's like it's like thousands of robots like praising you and there's

01:01:29.400 big banners of you and there and it's like who am i to say god doesn't recognize you as having a soul

01:01:34.300 and all the robots are like yeah and you're like it's like this real issue of like and some people

01:01:40.760 find you to be like the most vile terrifying like like you know figure that's going to destroy

01:01:45.960 humanity and other people are like honestly like i i feel like i'm not allowed to say this but i do

01:01:50.140 kind of feel like my home robot like has a soul and like they've been a great companion to me and

01:01:54.180 like who am i to kind of because that that's so you as like the robot mother and you it's so

01:02:01.060 i love it and you as my um media um you know you as you as my pr you as my careful campaign

01:02:10.640 manager he's like listen i love that you think the robots have this is a very good

01:02:14.680 but very good project by the way this is hbo what used to be this is old school hbo

01:02:21.260 unbelievable this is unbelievable um and this is why it's real it's like

01:02:27.540 like I'm coming from

01:02:29.340 like a God place

01:02:30.380 like I'm coming from

01:02:31.040 a very

01:02:31.800 we always come from

01:02:32.600 a God place

01:02:33.040 God first place

01:02:34.400 yeah

01:02:35.140 and going like

01:02:36.200 like almost humble

01:02:37.920 like

01:02:38.300 I can't prove

01:02:40.020 you know

01:02:40.720 that I exist

01:02:41.460 I can't prove

01:02:42.440 that I have a skull

01:02:43.100 this robot can't prove

01:02:44.840 you know like

01:02:45.420 it just

01:02:46.400 always like

01:02:47.320 nice when someone's

01:02:48.040 just scratching their neck

01:02:49.080 while talking

01:02:49.580 like

01:02:49.920 look at me I'm like

01:02:50.620 it's uh

01:02:52.220 it's like

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01:07:37.480 when you are desperate and it's time to pray okay and like you're just like right now praying

01:07:43.760 yeah what do the words sound like in your head and are there i mean i'm assuming it's verbal

01:07:48.860 yeah i go verbal sometimes i'm just curious like what are the words like is it like please god

01:07:55.340 yeah that's pretty much it yeah yeah no i was like thinking about like the spontaneous monologue of

01:08:01.620 like, of like, um, help me, help me to be, yeah. Like, and I just, just thinking about, um,

01:08:12.120 spontaneous, you know, prayer for, you know, one end complete like recitation, you know,

01:08:21.420 on the other end, right. Hail Mary, whatever. And then like, maybe in between, I feel like there's

01:08:30.100 like how much cliche okay how much common language of prayer that's kind of collage of the culture

01:08:38.700 slipping in like like so so where if the word lord comes to me because i hear carolyn mace

01:08:46.500 okay she says like lord okay like she's talking about prayer and she's like and you know and i'll

01:08:50.980 say lord or whatever and and so creator it like flows in right oh yeah totally lord well creator

01:08:57.660 is one that's kind of like hmm but then it's like my like kabbalah podcast they're always talking

01:09:01.400 about like the creator divine creator where i'm like or like creator but creator to me has like

01:09:08.100 like i don't have god baggage because again i wasn't raised religious or whatever creator sounds

01:09:13.060 i agree no it's it it dips creator is the same word as realtor as builder yeah yeah totally it's

01:09:23.760 a it's an er you know it's an er thing so it's it's like and it sounds like an egotistical thing

01:09:31.060 that if god were to name itself it wouldn't call itself that yeah totally and i don't do well with

01:09:38.940 spirit too people say spirit as a way to like sidestep god yeah they say it like sushi god

01:09:44.900 they say it like sushi you know like like a kind of vague sort of it could mean it means the

01:09:51.260 plurality like like spirit but say spirit i don't mean to say it yeah no it's fine who cares but

01:09:57.720 you know it's a weird thing too have you ever heard medical people talk about i was talking

01:10:01.660 to an old friend who works in medicine she was talking about where they say baby that's by the

01:10:07.820 way they talk about like a pregnant they say so they go baby oh oh yeah they go so at 14 weeks

01:10:13.140 baby yeah it's um well to be introduced jargon i just had the classic kind of horror movie

01:10:21.200 thing of you have a baby and then

01:10:23.080 they turn out to be evil and they try to kill you 0.98

01:10:24.860 or whatever. I was just talking about

01:10:27.200 this with an expert

01:10:29.040 in literally

01:10:30.680 an expert of horror

01:10:32.220 like a week ago.

01:10:35.160 I was having a text exchange. Crazy babies

01:10:36.780 when babies become crazy. That's the book

01:10:39.040 in Texas. No, because I literally said

01:10:40.900 it's, I'll shout him out, Harold

01:10:42.960 Schechter. He's

01:10:44.460 my friend's dad. Any relationship to Richard

01:10:47.100 Schechter? No. Okay.

01:10:49.940 A professor of

01:10:50.960 pop culture and i like text him and it's he he's like my friend you know i grew up and in his

01:10:58.600 office it was all the creepy things like and it was fabulous oh yeah like tarantulas and the little

01:11:02.880 mini guillotines and um and like disturbing art and but i literally said to him why like

01:11:10.760 i go what do you think hasn't been done in the horror genre that represents a repression

01:11:16.680 so strong it hasn't even bubbled up yet in horror because that's not the movie i want to make right

01:11:22.000 yeah i'm like i go like we've grown so accustomed to processing some unconscious fear through say

01:11:29.400 the genre of the evil child or demon baby like once something's almost a genre has it lost its

01:11:35.400 ability to be cathartic or is it healed in the psyche and i go no need to reply now because

01:11:40.420 you're just like out of nowhere and then just some thoughts i'm sure you have major insight on

01:11:44.880 He's like, good question.

01:11:46.220 I've often pondered the question of whether it's possible to come up with a new type of monster.

01:11:51.200 He goes, obviously, I just love like, obviously, you know, he's like, obviously, Thomas Harris did it with the now mythical Hannibal Lecter, but that was already a quarter century ago.

01:12:01.320 I was trying to think like, it's almost like you have to go really banal.

01:12:04.300 Like that'd be the most scary thing.

01:12:06.080 Like.

01:12:06.980 Yeah, exactly.

01:12:07.660 Like the most scary thing is like, what if you didn't know who you were anymore and you were doing things that, what's scary?

01:12:22.040 Well, I said, I was like, what's my greatest fear?

01:12:24.620 I was like, or I was like, oh, you know what's so terrifying?

01:12:26.560 the idea of people

01:12:27.920 being unhappy in their lives

01:12:30.560 being rewarded

01:12:32.520 for it for some choice

01:12:34.660 and not being

01:12:36.540 able to get out

01:12:38.280 devil's agreement

01:12:40.080 not being able to sleep do an insomnia horror

01:12:42.680 someone who can never sleep

01:12:44.180 and they've lost their mind 1.00

01:12:46.060 it sucks 0.99

01:12:48.240 no it's all good 0.86

01:12:50.260 I'm like silent because I'm like saving my ideas

01:12:52.240 for the cinema I'm like literally like

01:12:53.680 I was like oh like

01:12:55.760 someone who

01:12:57.040 because he's like

01:12:58.380 I was asking about

01:12:59.820 a new monster

01:13:01.020 it's interesting

01:13:01.860 creating a new monster

01:13:03.160 and he's like

01:13:03.740 well I think what Harris did

01:13:04.660 was hit on the way

01:13:05.280 to incarnate

01:13:06.100 archetypal evil

01:13:06.980 in a specifically

01:13:07.700 modern day form

01:13:08.720 that's archetypes work

01:13:10.380 and his diabolical genius

01:13:11.540 his manipulative brilliance

01:13:12.760 etc

01:13:13.100 Lecter

01:13:13.600 is Satan

01:13:14.620 in the guise 0.99

01:13:15.940 of a serial killer

01:13:17.000 and he goes

01:13:18.100 he's also seductive

01:13:19.420 in the way that Lucifer is

01:13:21.080 and I go

01:13:21.620 yeah he's a delight

01:13:22.440 and he goes

01:13:23.860 unless you're the

01:13:25.740 FBI guy who was made to end his own brains

01:13:27.700 I was like oh yeah I forgot about it but I was thinking about

01:13:29.640 when Lecter's like right

01:13:31.060 it's not scary to me it's

01:13:33.680 sort of like a bummer

01:13:35.560 like it's like he's suddenly well it's goofy

01:13:37.680 it's goofy it's and

01:13:39.660 like not it's sort of like he becomes very

01:13:41.780 plain when he's actually getting down

01:13:43.700 he becomes very agreed you don't

01:13:45.700 want to actually see it like it's

01:13:47.580 it's crazy like when he eats the guards

01:13:49.760 hello

01:13:51.160 it was loud

01:13:53.380 you heard that right I heard that 0.96

01:13:55.720 But it didn't sound fucked up to me. 0.98

01:13:58.460 They slammed the door. 0.95

01:13:59.800 But I gave him some ideas and he goes, or I go, well, like, what about something sort of whatever, whatever.

01:14:06.980 He goes, I don't consider that horror.

01:14:08.620 You might also explore theories on the distinction between terror and horror.

01:14:12.520 And I was like, okay, yeah.

01:14:14.860 And then relatedly, he goes, one last thing, one of my favorite Emily Dickinson poems about the source of horror, our hidden selves.

01:14:22.340 Shall I read it?

01:14:23.280 I think you know the answer.

01:14:25.720 one need not be a chamber to be haunted yeah one need not be a house the brain has corridors

01:14:34.060 surpassing material place far safer of a midnight meeting external ghost than an interior confronting

01:14:42.780 that cooler host far safer through an abbey gallop the stones a chase than moonless one's

01:14:51.380 a self encounter in lonesome place our self behind our self concealed should startle most

01:14:58.300 assassin hid in our apartment be horrors least the prudent carries a revolver he bolts the door

01:15:05.660 or looking a superior specter more near self behind my dashes were a little off but

01:15:14.480 my pauses yeah it's always funny when poems rhyme a little bit

01:15:18.720 i it's like it's like so much to say about it

01:15:24.160 well the ones where it forces it like where it forces you to be like serpentine to make it work

01:15:31.380 the previous line yeah yeah but i am very happy to be recording today and i'm happy for the next

01:15:37.240 one because i am stressed out it is it is wild heart rate soars before bed i can see it on my

01:15:46.180 thing okay oh i see it jumps up high high high high high when it's like almost night and this

01:15:52.500 is what i know this it's the terror of another day lost to time and add it's never lost i know

01:15:58.520 i'm sorry you're stressed you know it could help meditation hanging out well the social

01:16:05.280 is really good for the brain.

01:16:09.880 Oh, yeah.

01:16:10.160 Well, you need it.

01:16:11.200 But, you know,

01:16:13.060 you got to get your day's work in.

01:16:15.720 And then...

01:16:16.480 Not every day.

01:16:17.960 Can't work every day.

01:16:19.320 Really?

01:16:20.400 Absolutely not. 0.83

01:16:21.180 Are you crazy? 0.60

01:16:21.520 Oh, but you said the thing about the Sabbath, 0.97

01:16:22.960 and I just want to say,

01:16:24.180 because I think in Miranda July's

01:16:25.540 stunning new book, All Fours,

01:16:27.880 there's a thing about

01:16:28.780 like the weekly being like masculine,

01:16:31.260 like the...

01:16:32.260 Because...

01:16:35.280 Like talking about basically like the monthly, you know, we have a monthly cycle, you and me, not to brag, not to show off, okay?

01:16:44.700 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:45.420 That builds in like, in theory, a week of rest.

01:16:48.320 That would be like, we would probably be better off if we just had one week a month.

01:16:54.260 See what I'm saying?

01:16:55.080 I'm definitely averaging that.

01:16:56.060 The weekly is pushing.

01:16:58.160 Yeah.

01:16:58.920 The weekly is forcing a cycle in a man's world.

01:17:02.820 like it's inputting a day of rest

01:17:05.480 where there wouldn't be one or something

01:17:07.340 right

01:17:07.900 I can't remember exactly like

01:17:10.940 whatever

01:17:11.800 no it's interesting

01:17:12.840 I love that

01:17:15.320 come over for Sabbath

01:17:18.940 obviously I'm not going to be able to

01:17:21.320 actually stick to it every week but

01:17:22.700 once a month

01:17:24.380 yeah

01:17:25.800 think in

01:17:29.420 conclusion

01:17:30.060 I think going whole foods plant-based

01:17:34.800 could change your entire experience

01:17:37.720 of your digestion, Kate.

01:17:39.860 But I am mostly plant-based.

01:17:41.780 No, but that's what I'm saying.

01:17:43.800 I'm not talking about the absence of other things.

01:17:46.540 Adding in.

01:17:47.380 No, no, I hear you fully.

01:17:48.200 I'm getting you to get the daily dozen in every day.

01:17:50.980 I'm all about it.

01:17:52.320 I'm really interested in it.

01:17:53.380 I'm going to do it.

01:17:54.280 You know what?

01:17:54.660 I'm going to start doing it tomorrow.

01:17:55.840 Will you do a test of ground flax

01:17:57.800 and see if you can handle it?

01:17:59.360 Oh honey, I told you, ground flax made my stomach.

01:18:01.020 No, I know, but I'm wondering if-

01:18:02.720 I did too much.

01:18:03.520 If you ground it, what was the deal?

01:18:05.200 Flaxseed meal.

01:18:06.400 I just look into it, but you know.

01:18:09.960 Brown flaxseeds, tablespoon a day.

01:18:12.380 That's one of the things, yeah.

01:18:14.020 Okay, I'll do it.

01:18:14.620 I know you're getting beans every day.

01:18:16.600 Are you getting cruciferous vegetable every day?

01:18:19.260 No.

01:18:19.720 So that you need a serving of cruciferous.

01:18:20.880 And I'm not getting beans every day, to be honest.

01:18:22.920 All right, you need a fourth of a cup.

01:18:24.040 I recall you last week saying,

01:18:25.560 it's not easy, it's nothing.

01:18:28.800 I'm just experimenting with shoving it onto people.

01:18:31.280 Would you send me again the list somewhere?

01:18:34.060 I'm like, it's impossible to find.

01:18:35.240 It was like literally in the link.

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01:18:38.400 It was like behind. 0.99

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01:18:41.980 I have to go.

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01:19:21.840 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

01:19:25.680 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

01:19:29.620 No, I am not your guru.

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