Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - February 07, 2023


Locking in Sedona

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10,572

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00:02:36.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.
00:02:37.620 I'm Jacqueline Novak.
00:02:38.720 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.
00:02:43.440 Two untamable intellects.
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00:02:53.760 sarong mid buck
00:02:55.980 hello 0.96
00:03:00.700 hey
00:03:05.260 hey hey hey
00:03:07.620 I got ten and a half hours
00:03:10.080 of sleep
00:03:10.540 thanks to my
00:03:13.600 and I just want to say the sleep mask that I have 0.99
00:03:15.840 shit what the fuck is it called 1.00
00:03:17.940 I actually want to know 0.99
00:03:20.020 because I want them to send me 14 of them
00:03:21.500 Like a funxy box or something?
00:03:22.860 Does that sound right?
00:03:23.020 It's right here.
00:03:23.680 Let me grab it.
00:03:24.420 Okay.
00:03:24.600 Because I recently looked up sleep masks, like funky box or something.
00:03:28.700 It's obviously not a box, but.
00:03:30.260 It's called drowsy.
00:03:31.680 It ain't cheap.
00:03:32.480 Okay.
00:03:32.980 I mean, not what I thought.
00:03:34.280 Okay. 0.99
00:03:34.800 This is like a $70 or some shit sleep mask. 1.00
00:03:38.080 Silk. 1.00
00:03:38.980 It has changed my life.
00:03:42.520 What?
00:03:43.100 Let me see it.
00:03:43.900 It's, um. 1.00
00:03:44.560 Holy shit. 1.00
00:03:45.160 So it's thick. 0.99
00:03:45.940 It's silk.
00:03:46.700 Feels great.
00:03:47.800 It completely blocks out the light.
00:03:49.940 It's light as a feather.
00:03:50.760 It truly blocks out the light.
00:03:52.640 Yes.
00:03:53.620 Despite how is it light as a feather
00:03:55.260 and blocking out the light?
00:03:56.660 I don't know.
00:03:57.300 I don't know.
00:03:57.980 I don't know.
00:03:59.580 And the silk on the eyes
00:04:00.520 got to be good for the skin.
00:04:01.700 When I tell you that I wake up
00:04:02.980 like this morning,
00:04:03.600 rolled up,
00:04:04.240 sunlight blasting at 7 a.m.,
00:04:06.320 grabbed it,
00:04:08.440 dead asleep till 1130. 1.00
00:04:10.180 Damn. 1.00
00:04:11.340 Okay. 1.00
00:04:12.040 I can't be without it now.
00:04:13.500 I can't.
00:04:14.120 I'll never be without it.
00:04:14.960 Now, question.
00:04:15.760 This is a big question
00:04:16.600 because in my search,
00:04:17.800 my deep dive around masks
00:04:20.680 I don't really require one.
00:04:23.540 Now I'm addicted.
00:04:24.800 Although I do really enjoy it.
00:04:26.700 And I got in the habit, I remember, of sleeping with an elbow over my arm.
00:04:30.380 Oh, yeah, sure. I did that for years.
00:04:32.600 And the problem I was trying to solve was I want one that's really good,
00:04:41.640 that blocks out all light while sitting upright for meditation, okay?
00:04:47.180 But doesn't weigh down the face.
00:04:49.640 this could totally work for that
00:04:51.840 I think this could totally work
00:04:53.080 you could be upright with that
00:04:54.040 now light is a feather
00:04:54.840 like it's filled with
00:04:55.700 with a light substance
00:04:56.680 this is obviously not a bean bag
00:04:58.080 it's filled with nothing
00:04:58.540 no it's just like silk
00:04:59.800 how the hell is it
00:05:00.440 is it shaped in such a way
00:05:02.140 how is it not
00:05:03.620 the area between the nose
00:05:05.220 and the under eye
00:05:05.920 how is light not getting in
00:05:06.960 I don't know how to tell you this
00:05:08.420 it's just not getting in
00:05:10.140 I don't understand
00:05:10.980 is it your face shape
00:05:11.780 doesn't mold
00:05:12.420 I need to understand
00:05:13.320 no
00:05:14.040 and I will be receiving a free one
00:05:16.280 I got one for my mom
00:05:18.060 I got one for my mom
00:05:18.960 we Kate more often on these requests. Okay. Okay. We sometimes, by the way, you will not get posted
00:05:25.180 on POOG anymore if boxes don't arrive at both homes. So, so let's just say folks out there,
00:05:33.480 um, you pay to play. You pay to play. Listen, this sleep mask is amazing and I have no trouble
00:05:43.040 boosting them because it's really changed my life. And wait, remember when you wanted to lift up who?
00:05:48.960 Oh yeah
00:05:49.640 The chocolate brand
00:05:50.320 The chocolate brand
00:05:50.860 Now they're like
00:05:51.320 I want to lift up poo 1.00
00:05:52.400 Now they're everywhere 1.00
00:05:52.940 And they were like
00:05:53.360 They were already at the airport
00:05:54.800 They're already huge
00:05:55.880 I know
00:05:56.260 So
00:05:57.040 Wait so
00:05:57.900 Oh yeah
00:05:58.200 So I wanted to walk you through
00:05:59.040 Because it's like
00:05:59.640 Ten and a half hours of sleep
00:06:00.760 Woke up
00:06:01.420 Did some journaling
00:06:02.460 Walked to get coffee
00:06:03.460 It's not too cold out
00:06:04.660 Got an acai bowl
00:06:06.020 Interesting
00:06:07.080 I know
00:06:07.840 Interesting choice
00:06:08.580 I know
00:06:09.080 I know you wouldn't allow that
00:06:10.540 What the hell was in it?
00:06:12.520 Seven bananas
00:06:14.100 Actually no sweetheart
00:06:15.540 Because I subbed half banana
00:06:16.920 For frozen collie 0.98
00:06:17.840 so it was pretty fucking gross actually 0.97
00:06:19.820 and I slept that coconut neck there for stevia 0.98
00:06:22.960 and it was freaking nasty
00:06:24.740 and guess who's hungry me
00:06:28.940 they don't satiate they simply don't
00:06:30.920 so then I just had some tuna salad with crackers
00:06:34.020 and there was a single piece of fat
00:06:35.760 well I had almond butter I had almond butter
00:06:37.380 but I just had some tuna
00:06:39.380 I had some tuna salad on
00:06:41.180 on Mary's Gone Crackers
00:06:42.740 oh I just dreamt mere hours ago
00:06:45.160 that I was in a place
00:06:47.060 and I said, can I get, I saw on the menu, chicken salad. And then I glanced down to the left,
00:06:52.140 saw chicken salad, like, you know, okay. I was like, oh, it's that, right. Okay. Yeah.
00:06:57.040 And then I was like, fuck, do I want it? She's like, you can do a scoop on top of some greens 1.00
00:07:00.860 or grilled chicken on top of a salad. And I glanced over and I saw two tubs. One had like
00:07:06.920 sliced grilled chicken. And I looked at the grilled chicken salad, or I looked at chicken
00:07:11.500 salad. I was like, I could tell like, didn't, there were no guarantees of quality. Because
00:07:17.280 you know what I do not like in a chicken salad? What? Anything chewy. Cubed. I don't like
00:07:21.800 cubed chicken. Shredded. Oh, well, shredded chicken is where it's at. I think you're
00:07:26.580 absolutely right. That's elegance in chicken salad. Shredded meats generally. Cubed, I'll
00:07:29.300 tolerate, but not if I hit a gizzard or whatever the fuck. You know what I'm talking about? 0.99
00:07:35.280 Sometimes I get a little sloppy in the chicken salad. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, yeah. But chicken salad,
00:07:41.220 tuna salad yeah I don't know if like to me it's just fish salad white fish salad I mean obviously
00:07:49.200 there's a Jewish cultural thing there that you know I don't know if you've ever eaten white
00:07:54.540 fish salad in public and felt the anti-Semitism like a cloud around you my dad like literally
00:08:00.980 eats gefilte fish like asks for it uh my dad like in the jar does literally in the jar sticks it
00:08:07.920 a fork into the gefilte
00:08:09.580 and it pops too
00:08:10.460 every day.
00:08:12.300 And he's not the one
00:08:13.060 that was raised,
00:08:13.900 you know,
00:08:14.140 he's not the,
00:08:14.820 I mean, 1.00
00:08:15.660 he's not the Jew.
00:08:17.340 My dad is the Jew
00:08:18.520 and clearly,
00:08:19.660 if you're requesting jars
00:08:22.180 of that.
00:08:24.320 Wait,
00:08:24.820 do you like gefilte? 1.00
00:08:25.480 They're like lining the pantry. 1.00
00:08:26.720 I won't lie.
00:08:27.660 Me too.
00:08:28.800 I love it.
00:08:28.980 Guess what?
00:08:29.520 I don't think I've ever
00:08:30.240 actually had it.
00:08:31.260 Wow.
00:08:31.940 Because I've always been
00:08:32.600 so creeped out by it.
00:08:34.060 Just there in the jar.
00:08:35.040 It's just something about it.
00:08:36.560 No,
00:08:36.760 I mean, it's one of the most overtly heinous.
00:08:40.020 Overtly heinous.
00:08:40.520 That's why I thought something about it.
00:08:41.600 Objects.
00:08:41.980 But I could try it.
00:08:43.080 And yet you have to, you see, this is like, remember with a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good. 0.65
00:08:47.080 Yeah, that was a really good one.
00:08:48.680 Of course, an ad campaign that I adore. 1.00
00:08:51.700 You know, I love that shit, right? 1.00
00:08:53.160 When they like own up. 1.00
00:08:54.520 Worked.
00:08:55.300 Jif.
00:08:55.780 Okay.
00:08:56.260 I remember actually equating good motherhood with Jif. 0.90
00:08:59.360 They did it. 1.00
00:09:00.360 Moms like you choose Jif. 0.88
00:09:01.440 It actually made me reconfigure my relationship to my mother, a peanut butter.
00:09:06.760 and i remember even like holding it what about those milk does a body good
00:09:10.960 okay milk does a body good those ads where they would show like this little boy like grown to
00:09:17.560 like a hunk it was like kind of shocking oh yeah it's like him like flexing like little boy drinks 0.99
00:09:24.420 the milk and then he's like has a huge cock busts through his pants instantly yeah i think he is i 0.99
00:09:30.280 I think he might literally be in shorts. 0.99
00:09:32.260 Yeah, probably.
00:09:34.840 Wait, take me back. 0.98
00:09:36.060 The name like Smuckers.
00:09:37.000 Oh, right.
00:09:37.280 So it's like, similarly, with an appearance and a scent so hideous.
00:09:43.740 This is what they put on the box of the jar.
00:09:47.200 Like, obviously, I'm heinous, and yet I'm still here on the shelf.
00:09:51.460 Why?
00:09:51.800 Because people are buying me.
00:09:53.000 Because guess what?
00:09:53.620 I taste good.
00:09:55.800 Like, look at me. 0.79
00:09:57.220 I'm hideous. 0.94
00:09:57.700 Why the hell would I be here? 0.96
00:09:58.900 Yeah.
00:09:59.340 Unless I had some kind of merit.
00:10:00.640 Totally, totally.
00:10:02.160 What else is disgusting?
00:10:03.680 So bad it's good. 0.89
00:10:05.000 Yeah, so bad it's good.
00:10:06.780 Well, I kind of reckoned with that with the Melba toast when I was a child.
00:10:11.460 You know, the first time I've been into it, shock, of course.
00:10:13.880 This can't be right.
00:10:14.820 You know, it's crack a tooth.
00:10:17.340 So dry.
00:10:18.380 Yeah.
00:10:18.920 So dry that, you know, try to put three in your mouth and survive.
00:10:22.940 Like, you know what I mean?
00:10:23.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:24.480 Totally choke you out. 0.99
00:10:25.240 You'll choke on your own tongue. 0.85
00:10:26.540 But then I kind of grew
00:10:28.600 And I say grew too 0.99
00:10:31.120 It probably happened by the fourth cracker 1.00
00:10:32.700 But still never forgot
00:10:34.740 I'm craving those paleo crackers
00:10:37.640 That we ate at Turks and Caicos in bed
00:10:39.280 And I'll see you there
00:10:40.960 At our retreat
00:10:42.100 I'll see you there at our retreat
00:10:44.340 The future retreat
00:10:46.200 I'll see you at the future retreat
00:10:47.840 What?
00:10:49.440 There was a song I wrote back in the day
00:10:51.640 I mean sorry
00:10:52.840 a little tune i came up with on a trip and i wonder if you share it now i mean i think
00:10:59.880 it's clear that you i'll share it now and decide later if it can remain yeah if you it's supposed
00:11:04.440 to be bad in a way i mean you know what i mean right you'll understand a second if you haven't
00:11:09.260 been okay basically you know sarongs i was sort of taken with the concept of them my mom sort of
00:11:16.680 like thrust the concept of sarongs on me early i feel like she was like yeah and like put a sarong
00:11:22.400 on like when I was like 14 and then I think I had like I took like two sarongs to camp it was like
00:11:27.680 bizarre that was so you like coming back like from you know Oslo or whatever like you're like
00:11:33.300 the first girl at camp with a sarong down at the lake well I hadn't been to Oslo until I was what
00:11:38.140 23 but yeah keep going okay when you told that like you're like a half a Xanax or whatever a
00:11:43.940 half a colonopin for my mother from a trip to Oslo I immediately pictured just like you at eight I
00:11:48.220 don't know oh yeah yeah no I was in my early 20s like one of those children when they're swinging
00:11:51.640 feet and you're like, they're going to Europe?
00:11:53.980 My feet are swinging? Yeah. You ever see a
00:11:55.660 child in first? When you see kids swinging feet in
00:11:57.520 first class, well, that's what's hard. 1.00
00:11:59.580 And you see like elderly people bent
00:12:01.560 over with luggage crawling to the back.
00:12:03.860 It's like crawling to the back.
00:12:06.880 So, so
00:12:07.500 wait, take me back. So,
00:12:09.580 oh yeah. If you haven't been to
00:12:11.620 the beach in a long time,
00:12:13.940 somebody
00:12:15.440 better say it's the wrong time.
00:12:18.020 Come to Punta Cana.
00:12:20.600 Punta Cana.
00:12:21.640 Uh, what's Punta Gonda?
00:12:23.340 Hey, hey, hey.
00:12:25.780 Okay, it's horrible.
00:12:27.320 I came up with it.
00:12:28.240 I sang it a lot.
00:12:29.480 So the idea of, like, I like,
00:12:32.040 obviously I want to say a long time and sarong time.
00:12:35.080 That's smart.
00:12:36.360 There's never a sarong time for a sarong.
00:12:38.900 Exactly.
00:12:39.480 It's never a sarong time.
00:12:40.780 It's never a sarong time for a sarong.
00:12:41.740 It's never a sarong time, right.
00:12:44.080 But then to force the lyric to have this kind of, like,
00:12:47.700 somebody better say it's sarong time is, like, a problem.
00:12:51.640 like it doesn't make
00:12:52.500 it doesn't work
00:12:53.360 and when things
00:12:54.320 are off
00:12:55.180 in a very particular way
00:12:56.200 they become like
00:12:57.360 like an earworm
00:12:58.580 like this
00:12:59.020 of annoyance
00:13:00.120 that I become addicted to
00:13:01.780 I mean songwriting
00:13:03.000 is one of the great mysteries
00:13:04.200 so
00:13:05.780 I can imagine
00:13:06.260 you see
00:13:07.480 I have the other thing
00:13:08.520 I'm like
00:13:08.740 I could do it
00:13:09.520 yeah yeah
00:13:10.080 good
00:13:11.140 I'm having some redness
00:13:13.080 around the eyes today
00:13:13.960 it's a little concern
00:13:14.960 really
00:13:15.580 it's interesting
00:13:16.440 you say that
00:13:17.080 just like a little
00:13:17.320 red where
00:13:18.080 dry
00:13:18.580 like my lids
00:13:20.000 okay
00:13:21.840 Yeah.
00:13:22.080 Well, dryness has obviously plagued you.
00:13:23.920 It's not that strong for weeks.
00:13:25.980 I've been talking about a lot of dryness.
00:13:27.960 I mean, did you sleep with a canopy?
00:13:29.820 Did you do anything? 1.00
00:13:30.860 Fuck. 1.00
00:13:31.480 Well, by the way, interesting you say it. 1.00
00:13:33.080 I've been sleeping with the canopy every night.
00:13:34.580 Last night was so tired.
00:13:36.920 Got into bed, saw that the canopy wasn't filled up. 0.99
00:13:39.140 I was like, fuck it. 1.00
00:13:39.880 I can't. 1.00
00:13:40.820 So one night, no humidifier.
00:13:43.100 Interesting.
00:13:44.120 Also, I have located the Josh Rosenbrook hydrating accelerator spray.
00:13:49.860 I burned right through it.
00:13:50.960 I love it.
00:13:51.800 And then I got some cheap one.
00:13:53.420 I don't even know what you're talking about.
00:13:55.100 I wasn't worried about that for one moment.
00:13:58.240 I wasn't worried it had been sent to you.
00:13:59.340 But wait, wait, I don't even...
00:14:01.060 Accelerator spray?
00:14:01.920 I know nothing.
00:14:02.660 My eye's twitching.
00:14:03.560 That's what it's called.
00:14:04.280 It's like a hydrating spray.
00:14:05.680 Is it?
00:14:06.060 Wait, let me look.
00:14:06.900 Oh, wow.
00:14:08.120 I don't even know that name you said.
00:14:09.740 Yeah, Josh Rosebrook.
00:14:11.640 So they're small.
00:14:12.560 They're interesting.
00:14:13.220 It's a natural, you know, skin.
00:14:15.060 Anyway, I stopped into a...
00:14:17.300 I think it was Credo Beauty. 0.99
00:14:18.180 Brick and Mortar.
00:14:19.260 And I stopped into a brick and mortar.
00:14:20.960 oh here we go by the way I asked you have every no it was detox beauty and I said you have everyday
00:14:25.100 oil they go no I turn on my heel I leave yeah and then I go oh wait they have that spray I want
00:14:30.580 went back in it ain't cheap honey it's good did you use your whole oh no you didn't travel I used
00:14:35.220 the whole spray no no I mean use the whole everyday oil my everyday oil yes so hard story here here's
00:14:41.520 a hard story you may recall here's what happened wait do we have the same story no well you're
00:14:46.180 about to so I know that you shattered your huge everyday oil okay you were so I have the huge
00:14:50.260 everyday oil and then I decant that into the micro for travel smaller one it's in my shower
00:14:54.960 because I've been gua sha in the shower with it which has really changed everything the steam in
00:14:59.140 there okay this is interesting gua sha in the shower really really cool I have an idea gua sha
00:15:04.480 with a hole in it and there's a loop gua sha on a rope because where's that thing sitting I ask you
00:15:10.580 in your shower well I treat it with so much reverence because it's the wilding one I think
00:15:16.000 Like they really, I think they made a new design to see the older one.
00:15:19.500 Dropped it maybe on air.
00:15:20.000 It'd be easy to shatter. 1.00
00:15:21.360 I think you drop it, you're fucked. 1.00
00:15:23.160 So yeah, so this, so the gua sha I've been careful with, but the, I like literally my 1.00
00:15:27.880 hair, like my horse hair, wet mane. 1.00
00:15:29.940 I turned my head and the force of my mane knocked the everyday oil off, shattered into
00:15:37.540 4,000 pieces.
00:15:39.900 So there it is.
00:15:41.260 We are, we both shattered the everyday oil.
00:15:43.380 You know what?
00:15:43.920 You know, maybe they need to come out with.
00:15:46.000 Metal?
00:15:46.600 Silicone.
00:15:47.200 How about metal?
00:15:47.980 No, like the silicone thing, like a silicone cage protects it in case it falls.
00:15:53.760 Okay, there's one.
00:15:54.880 Two.
00:15:56.260 Okay, it's really interesting that this has come up because this has been a theme for me all week.
00:16:00.940 Are you ready?
00:16:01.780 Uh-huh.
00:16:02.660 So when the listeners listen to this, I will be on the road, okay?
00:16:06.460 Right now, this is pre, and so I'm still talking about packing, right?
00:16:10.760 Now, I did a reorganization of my shelf next to my chair where I sit with my skincare.
00:16:16.980 Okay.
00:16:17.140 I'm trying to finish up products.
00:16:18.680 Yeah.
00:16:19.160 Trying to finish up the...
00:16:20.060 Because you know I do it in front of the television.
00:16:22.060 Right.
00:16:22.280 That's my whole thing.
00:16:22.900 Yes.
00:16:23.540 Okay.
00:16:23.700 It's not getting done otherwise.
00:16:24.860 I don't like standing in front of the thing.
00:16:26.780 I have a small bathroom. 1.00
00:16:27.940 I have a pedestal fucking sink. 1.00
00:16:30.680 Yeah. 1.00
00:16:30.960 You know what that means?
00:16:31.740 Yeah.
00:16:31.880 It's tough.
00:16:32.300 Not a single flat surface.
00:16:35.580 The molded porcelain that's meant for a soap, right?
00:16:38.740 that they decided on in 1940
00:16:40.700 that nothing can stand on.
00:16:43.020 That just collects water, bacteria, and hell.
00:16:45.820 Okay.
00:16:46.220 And then the edges, it's wild.
00:16:48.120 So my toothbrush in this little electric charger
00:16:50.760 falls daily.
00:16:52.360 Okay.
00:16:54.760 By the way, we've talked about this, right?
00:16:56.880 Things falling on the counter.
00:16:58.440 Okay.
00:16:59.080 This is what I was about to bring up.
00:17:00.220 When they start knocking,
00:17:01.360 it is so upsetting.
00:17:02.420 This is the theme of the week.
00:17:03.580 Okay.
00:17:04.300 Okay.
00:17:04.900 Is this, are you ready?
00:17:05.960 So I came up with a solution.
00:17:07.160 I came up with an idea.
00:17:07.820 then no one will have the courage to do it, okay?
00:17:09.900 Imagine a Velcro on the bottom of each product
00:17:12.020 so that they won't knock.
00:17:14.820 Oh, well, yes.
00:17:16.500 And first of all, some people have got, okay.
00:17:19.140 I've worked with Velcro in the past in my home.
00:17:22.260 Okay, for storage.
00:17:23.140 I'm sure.
00:17:24.040 Okay, magnetic is another.
00:17:26.440 Magnetic helps.
00:17:27.520 Because think, single metal tray,
00:17:29.660 magnet on the bottom of every bottle.
00:17:31.660 It's not, if you slam your arm across it,
00:17:34.700 if you stiff arm, you know, sure, it's going to go, okay?
00:17:37.820 but it helps, right? So today I'm going to count how many times. So I'm organizing my products
00:17:45.680 on my shelf, just loosely, just like a common woman, okay? Just going, put the moisturizers 0.98
00:17:51.660 next to the moisturizers, whatever. And I've got two spinning acrylic things I got and they knock
00:17:59.860 into my Dennis Gross peel pads, okay? And that stutters the whole thing. Everything is just
00:18:04.640 vertical and falling. And I go, what, this verticality of these thin bottles, how is this?
00:18:10.460 Well, you know, my water bottle concept. What? It's for like, okay. The water bottle
00:18:17.260 knocking over in yoga class. And creating chaos. Okay. Like the thin, tall, why the hell is the
00:18:22.820 water bottle thin and tall? Okay. Oh, right. It should be wide and rectangular, you're saying?
00:18:26.380 It should be like two inches tall. Okay. Okay. It should, first of all, have a square edge.
00:18:31.400 so smart you lay it on its fucking side square edge doesn't go rolling towards tommy next to you 0.96
00:18:37.060 okay and under his foot and then the indignity of the lack of grounding balance in the context of 0.99
00:18:43.580 yoga class okay for this thing it's a teeter and then and then ding ding dong okay and then
00:18:48.740 metal you're stainless knocking and rolling yeah so anyway i'm gonna count how many times bottles
00:18:53.880 fall during the day for me okay i'm gonna because i think yesterday was 23 i mean it was so here's
00:19:00.400 where it's happening. It's happening in the shower. Again, I don't really have anything in
00:19:05.080 there to store. I have a shelf next to a rolling caddy next to the shower that I use. Yeah,
00:19:10.660 I've seen it. Okay, that one I'm actually quite proud of to try to get everything off the bath
00:19:15.180 so it's easier to clean. Yeah. Bottles are knocking. They're going everywhere, okay? It's
00:19:20.360 a disaster. So then I was thinking, and part of the problem is that you are penalized, okay,
00:19:26.140 for using your product.
00:19:27.660 You know why?
00:19:28.460 The bottle gets lighter and lighter as you go.
00:19:32.760 Yeah, yeah.
00:19:33.540 Okay, so you're 75% through a product.
00:19:35.420 That thing's flying.
00:19:36.280 Yeah.
00:19:36.680 That thing's flying with the top of a finger.
00:19:40.780 And so I was imagining a product that as you go
00:19:43.820 has a little, this is totally elaborate
00:19:46.600 and will never work, okay?
00:19:47.760 It's a bad idea,
00:19:48.700 but I enjoy sort of bad invention ideas too.
00:19:50.420 So I'm just going to say it
00:19:51.080 and then we'll go to where I really landed.
00:19:53.080 But it's like imagining that it fills with water.
00:19:55.760 Okay, the part that's no longer.
00:19:58.480 Okay, whatever.
00:19:59.060 That's a bad idea.
00:20:00.240 But very least, little concrete, little bases.
00:20:07.320 It's just sort of squeeze onto a bottle like a horseshoe.
00:20:11.760 To stabilize.
00:20:12.740 Okay, and then it comes in different sizes.
00:20:14.420 You stick a bottle in there and it gives it some weight on the counter.
00:20:17.180 I mean, I've had bottles, like, you know, pins, bowling pins.
00:20:23.160 They go.
00:20:24.260 Yeah.
00:20:24.460 And it's because my home sink in LA, the sink itself is quite small.
00:20:31.100 And I have, I just have limited space up there.
00:20:34.220 And one, my, I'm washing my face.
00:20:36.220 My elbow knocks one thing.
00:20:37.660 Next thing you know, all bottles are down.
00:20:39.680 Next thing you know, strike.
00:20:40.580 It is enough to, it creates so much rage.
00:20:43.720 I was even thinking, because I'm, I want to launch the POOG spring cleaning initiative.
00:20:48.820 Going live.
00:20:49.700 We've never discussed this before.
00:20:51.980 You've mentioned it.
00:20:53.140 Because I am committed to when I go back to L.A. to I want to shed like 40 percent of everything in my home gone.
00:21:00.300 Just gone. Get it the fuck out. 0.89
00:21:01.740 Yeah. 0.54
00:21:01.920 OK. And then I was like, is it time to get some help?
00:21:05.560 Do I get some kind of organizer in there to help me?
00:21:08.200 You sent me a thing about a.
00:21:10.980 You know, I just about professional organization.
00:21:14.260 It is it is like I don't know if I can do it emotionally.
00:21:17.400 Have someone in there looking at my stuff.
00:21:18.900 Well, that's that's the whole thing.
00:21:20.740 Holding it up going, you need this, going, yeah, there's a story there.
00:21:23.960 I will not be led through the, we do three piles, you know.
00:21:28.880 One, you see if it's like, I'm not, I will not be led through this, like, sort of, like, low-grade psychological, like, you know what I mean?
00:21:36.500 You know, like, this thing where they're, like, whatever, like, I just, it's too psychologically deep, the issues at hand, to be thrown in the hands of someone that doesn't have a psychology degree.
00:21:48.620 i will not yeah so it's either i've thought at times like okay what about someone that just
00:21:57.320 fucking comes in and figures it out like without you okay that's a service i'd pay leaving you 0.75
00:22:02.240 come back figure it out throughout you wouldn't it be a thrill to almost leave come back what's 0.99
00:22:06.320 gone is gone you're never gonna see it again too bad like i actually like here's what you should do
00:22:11.440 i think there should be a thing where you know what you're gonna say it's genius i don't think
00:22:14.660 you do know i don't think what i'm saying i don't it's not good all right then i guess what i what
00:22:18.760 i've come up with i was gonna say go on have a little you have a little sticker book with the
00:22:22.700 red thing you put that on the stuff that you're like don't get rid of this absolute do not touch
00:22:28.360 yeah or like everything else or you can say like hey any notebook obviously don't touch it or any
00:22:33.780 like that's the fear you know but like yeah someone coming in and going we're deciding for you
00:22:38.880 you sit down with them you have a psychological intake where you go what's going on in your life
00:22:42.820 what are you trying to shed
00:22:43.920 what's important to you
00:22:46.120 and they go through
00:22:47.920 and they get it the fuck out 0.86
00:22:50.000 you show up to a new house 0.81
00:22:52.100 it's that idea
00:22:53.060 it's a fantasy
00:22:56.040 well I thought you were recognizing
00:22:59.060 and you were
00:23:00.460 the fear of
00:23:01.680 there's got to be some stuff that you can say can't go
00:23:04.240 and that's where you came up with your sticker concept
00:23:05.860 which I applaud
00:23:07.300 I was thinking
00:23:10.240 in order to give someone the
00:23:11.560 in order to hook people okay because people are afraid in order to give them the comfort they need
00:23:18.540 okay here's what it is yeah i have a few tears actually a few tears for the service okay the
00:23:24.780 first one okay the first is is this concept okay psychological intake whatever or even not you can 0.99
00:23:30.440 have the the fuck it version okay you send them in you know they're not assholes they they're not 0.99
00:23:36.340 going to dump the journals whatever right we have to trust they're not insane like we you know 0.99
00:23:41.480 children disposed of photographs yeah so they take everything out that needs to go in their opinion
00:23:48.160 now don't panic when I say what I'm about to say they take it to a storage facility okay hold on
00:23:53.500 I'm not suggesting storage for life okay I'm suggesting you you live your life you see what 0.99
00:23:58.380 you miss you see what you miss you go you go if you really are like where's my what the fuck 0.99
00:24:03.960 that. Yeah. And I need that. And I really need that. Okay. Then you have to see, well, 1.00
00:24:09.900 okay. There's a few tiers. One, pay to retrieve. Okay. Okay. So you better, it better be worth it
00:24:15.460 to you. You better want to pay again for that thing to bring it back. Okay. But whatever.
00:24:20.380 So if you don't know it's gone, you don't know it's gone. And then there's a, you know,
00:24:24.540 they get rid of it. They donate, they sell, they do as they please. Okay. You know, after whatever,
00:24:30.240 whatever time period, actually, it'd be nice if people would like it, if they could like choose
00:24:33.860 where their thing goes to you know what I mean in terms of like donation and whatever but these
00:24:37.940 are you know additional ideas yeah but they take it away and you live and you give them full trust 0.86
00:24:44.680 but then yeah if if something is fucked up like really fucked up you have a little grace period 0.61
00:24:50.980 right you know delete versus expunge absolutely no I think is that not the dream see I also oh 0.86
00:24:59.340 you know when people are like okay like when people are like I'm like send me the writing
00:25:04.860 or something you know like I'm like send me what you have that kind of thing like whatever writing
00:25:08.860 or something a project or whatever like something you have and they're like you'll never people say
00:25:13.280 send me you'll never like someone says I say that to someone and say someone like they always think
00:25:18.480 that like you'll never be able to decipher like the ramblings you know and the notes and the
00:25:24.960 redundancies and I'm like I literally will right right okay I'm like I can manage like I can
00:25:31.240 decipher I just can and so it's like they always think it's gonna be indecipherable and it's like
00:25:35.520 it's not and I feel like that would be the same for the the organizer like right right you're not
00:25:40.520 the only person with random notes like and yeah I'll be able to tell if these are these go in
00:25:45.660 your creative folder or these are like tax documents you know what I mean oh my office
00:25:50.560 is getting a overhaul, I'm going to go in there. I'm going to be ruthless. But I need help. I can't
00:25:56.940 do it alone. You need a witness. Well, I could take you through the GTD, getting things done
00:26:03.260 protocol as I'm a literal expert. It's in my bones. Not that I apply it. I mean, I apply it
00:26:08.220 in certain basic ways, of course, but I could take you through. And because I'm sick. Home
00:26:14.140 organization well sort of not not exactly home organization but but the purge okay the office
00:26:21.160 piece i could really apply the gtd to you so here's what happens you go in or i go in we go
00:26:28.060 through every single thing okay everything nothing remains like you have an inbox okay but the inbox 0.84
00:26:33.960 in the case of your office might be the fucking room everything is getting gone through right 0.91
00:26:37.780 every single thing so what do you do when you go through shit right in the gtd model okay 0.96
00:26:43.700 it might be a reference
00:26:45.900 like an item of reference
00:26:47.560 okay
00:26:48.400 what do you mean item
00:26:49.300 a book
00:26:49.620 oh okay
00:26:50.220 a book is reference
00:26:51.920 now you have to decide
00:26:52.860 if you actually do
00:26:53.940 require that as a reference item
00:26:55.900 or something on a piece of paper
00:26:57.340 like I'll have kept something
00:26:58.960 some form of reference
00:27:00.400 and I go
00:27:00.780 I could google this anytime
00:27:02.440 I don't need this
00:27:03.640 to be a piece of paper
00:27:04.420 in my life
00:27:04.900 right
00:27:05.120 okay so reference is one piece
00:27:07.900 okay
00:27:08.460 there's a lot of slimming down
00:27:09.880 to do there
00:27:10.320 stuff you probably don't
00:27:11.420 don't need on paper
00:27:12.700 whatever
00:27:13.280 people save their tax thing from from years past you're supposed to save them for seven years
00:27:18.540 whatever that okay that could be a you know reference right and we'll organize that and
00:27:23.100 i'll talk about how we do that later okay actionable items okay so something that that
00:27:28.300 has an action attached to it i'm slipping you can feel me slipping oh wow even this is a wrong me
00:27:33.240 i'm getting like i'm imagining my filing cabinet all right do you believe in spending money here's
00:27:38.320 the thing my filing cabinet is are you on the filing cabinet itself yeah i mean the actual 0.99
00:27:43.180 object because I have like the shit like you mean do you need a pop in do you need like a sexy one 0.97
00:27:47.060 that has a smooth drawer I have like the I have the staples like cheapest like you know $25 $30 0.99
00:27:52.400 yeah um the one that's the same color as an IBM exactly that color um I've gone down the path
00:28:02.120 at times what are you paying for well if an object's beauty if an object's beauty
00:28:08.960 are coming in yeah influences your use of it i just got a dream flashback i went through a period
00:28:14.940 of okay i'm getting this i forget the brand's called mcdowell's or something or it's like this
00:28:19.960 old kind of industrial like metal like shelving and filing cabinets then people restore them
00:28:26.580 and they're like shiny metal and bright colors i went through this period of like that you can
00:28:31.480 take metal to a car to an auto body shop i didn't do it i've heard about that and then they'll paint
00:28:36.960 it for you they'll paint it the way you paint a car so it's like cool the smoothest glassiest
00:28:41.040 amazing now if it's easy to use if you hate hauling open your thing because it because
00:28:46.160 it squeaks then and you're not going to use it then i'd argue yeah having a nice one i don't
00:28:50.260 need the and then there's also the rewarding yourself having done the the organization but
00:28:55.120 if you have i say if it is functional you will find yourself happy okay great if it's not yeah
00:29:00.720 i'm not i'm not spending too that's the thing i was like i was like oh you want me to spend
00:29:05.800 $200 on a free-floating little thing.
00:29:07.900 I mean, that's obscene.
00:29:08.740 The pop-in is like mocking me
00:29:11.900 at the container store
00:29:12.920 for the last 17 years,
00:29:14.560 like paying for the color.
00:29:15.740 You and I should go to a container store.
00:29:17.280 Yeah.
00:29:17.560 That would be fun.
00:29:18.520 Well, I'm interested in a trash receptacle,
00:29:20.620 as you know.
00:29:21.660 I don't have any float,
00:29:23.200 except for in my...
00:29:23.620 For your desk.
00:29:24.400 Yeah, or in different rooms.
00:29:26.780 Remember I added one under the table
00:29:28.420 where I've been working at
00:29:29.240 and changed my life two weeks ago?
00:29:30.760 Right, right.
00:29:31.540 I don't have to get up 0.98
00:29:32.360 every time I have a piece of trash. 0.81
00:29:33.660 By the way, 0.92
00:29:34.540 Last time when I was in my office, when I was writing my show, my current show, I became fixated on a bulletin board.
00:29:41.800 I was like, the bulletin board is going to be the way that I write this show.
00:29:44.020 I'm going to put images.
00:29:45.480 I can't write this show unless I have a bulletin board.
00:29:48.380 So I lost like three hours, of course.
00:29:51.260 I cannot tell you how much I understand.
00:29:53.040 Yeah, I was like, okay.
00:29:54.160 And then my big idea, here's my big invention.
00:29:56.400 I was like, I want a circular bulletin board.
00:29:58.780 You didn't want the square.
00:29:59.620 So I went online and I designed.
00:30:02.320 Yeah.
00:30:02.880 Designed is a strong word.
00:30:03.980 but a circle I measured and I was like,
00:30:06.600 I'm going to have the circular bulletin board on my wall in my office.
00:30:08.900 It's going to be incredible.
00:30:09.960 I talked to a person.
00:30:11.420 I talked to a man in Orange County about this.
00:30:14.080 By the way, one of the most sublime customer service experiences I've ever had.
00:30:18.960 And I was like, oh yeah, you can go on Amazon.
00:30:21.540 You can get a bulletin board that was made in a war-like environment
00:30:27.140 where people are dying and being brutalized.
00:30:29.680 or you can call a guy in Orange County
00:30:32.800 and he goes, hello?
00:30:35.060 Oh my God.
00:30:35.640 And it's him right there.
00:30:36.740 He knows everything anyone could ever know
00:30:38.680 about bulletin boards.
00:30:39.800 He knows everything.
00:30:40.380 And you give him the money
00:30:42.460 and then he goes and buys gas to fill up his car
00:30:45.640 to live his life.
00:30:47.180 Yeah.
00:30:47.700 Okay.
00:30:48.360 And I thought you were like,
00:30:49.000 and he goes and buys it on Amazon.
00:30:51.080 No, but he has the material.
00:30:52.580 And it came like mere days later.
00:30:54.980 It was unbelievable to circle.
00:30:56.100 I'm scared you didn't go big enough.
00:30:57.560 How big?
00:30:57.940 So I'm bad at this.
00:30:59.100 Oh, right.
00:30:59.460 No, it can't be that big. 0.97
00:31:00.540 It's like, I don't fucking know. 0.96
00:31:02.360 It's like as long as my legs. 0.98
00:31:03.940 It's like as long as my legs.
00:31:06.520 Only the leg?
00:31:07.460 My leg without foot fully pointed. 1.00
00:31:09.540 What a Vitruvian man. 1.00
00:31:11.560 It's like. 1.00
00:31:12.140 Wait, your leg without what?
00:31:13.360 Imagine my leg without my, not top of, imagine my leg with my toes pointed.
00:31:18.660 Not that.
00:31:19.500 Toe flat.
00:31:22.420 Hip to ankle.
00:31:22.900 Oh, I didn't consider the foot.
00:31:24.720 Yeah, I didn't consider the foot part of the leg.
00:31:27.440 Oh.
00:31:28.500 I considered, I actually, no, I considered heel on the floor up to the divot of the hip bone.
00:31:34.240 I think it's hip to the ankle, however big that is.
00:31:37.360 Actually, it's probably not that big.
00:31:38.700 It's probably not that big.
00:31:39.220 What is a hip?
00:31:40.180 It's one of the biggest things people don't agree on.
00:31:44.160 Where is the hip?
00:31:45.180 We're talking pelvic bone.
00:31:47.260 You know what I mean?
00:31:47.800 Are we talking the curve, which is likely the flesh, not the bone?
00:31:51.760 Oh, God.
00:31:52.400 I don't know.
00:31:53.140 What?
00:31:53.840 What's wrong?
00:31:55.560 It wasn't about the hip.
00:31:56.300 He said, uh-oh.
00:31:57.080 it certainly wasn't about the hip what happened this was funny what happened i don't know nothing
00:32:01.720 truly nothing i mean did a ghost pass through i mean i heard myself say it i don't know what it
00:32:08.020 was about anyway um it was a vocalization i don't know what it was of or for yeah but of a complete
00:32:14.600 energetic shift as if what i said about the hip the bulletin board well i was well i had a flash
00:32:20.420 of my office and i left it like a it's so packed when i go back i mean it's just like yeah brimming
00:32:26.760 so I'm gonna have to go back there but it's gonna but but I was trying to say the bulletin board I
00:32:32.100 got it I designed it I purchased it whatever installation I wrote the show without it you
00:32:36.440 know I didn't actually use it but that's all gonna change I'm gonna get it installed when I go back
00:32:41.340 and yeah you know what I like the idea of the the person that is your handyman okay the
00:32:50.560 the old fashioned notion of the handyman. Okay. That comes by at intervals and does all of the
00:32:57.460 stuff. Amazing. Okay. And you trust him and he knows that your walls are a layer of plaster over
00:33:03.480 a layer of thing. And he brings the right drill and the whole thing. But yeah, me, like, like the
00:33:08.340 moment I really get down to work, right. Is the moment that like, like I actually do know I'm
00:33:14.240 really close to really getting down to work when I begin a construction project that's seemingly
00:33:19.260 related to the work but isn't you know what I mean yeah yeah it's actually like it's like oh
00:33:24.220 you're really avoiding the work and it's like no I'm actually closer than I was because I got this
00:33:30.020 close to it that I went to Home Depot in fear right right right interesting like the bigger
00:33:36.240 the dying screams yeah the final fight screams but yeah like I do though think ritual
00:33:45.100 how dare I call it ritual in order to whatever but but purchasing the round bulletin board and
00:33:52.400 like it brought me closer does something no I think so and I and I'm excited when I go back
00:33:57.160 I'm excited for it I really am um I remember reading how Nancy Myers you know has her bulletin
00:34:03.100 board that she had made that's a floor to ceiling it's like a whole wall trying to get bigger and
00:34:07.220 bigger whiteboards and cork boards has has been a 15 to 20 year journey for me because they're
00:34:15.040 so laughably expensive and so right now as you'll see I'm shocked there was no reaction okay no I've
00:34:21.100 seen it that's why I didn't react three four five six I have six court boards hanging on a wall and
00:34:27.800 it's I continue to want the studio artist experience okay that I picture I want to be
00:34:35.480 sitting on a stool upright staring at the work yeah large not small not a tiny
00:34:47.080 you know heinous screen not digital
00:34:49.820 hello it's me anna sinfield from the girlfriends the number one hit true 0.66
00:35:05.340 crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories. I'm back with more one-off
00:35:11.880 interviews with some truly kick-ass women on the Girlfriends Spotlight. I want to introduce you to 0.98
00:35:18.900 Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vaisaka. Let's see how we can stop killing and
00:35:27.140 save lives. Leila dared to ask the question. Is badness hereditary? And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.
00:35:34.660 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,
00:35:37.760 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.
00:35:40.680 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,
00:35:42.420 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.
00:35:45.420 I'm not too intimidated by her.
00:35:46.980 What are you talking about? 1.00
00:35:49.900 Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, 1.00
00:35:53.360 Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:36:00.240 Ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police?
00:36:02.800 Welcome to Boys and Girls, the podcast where dating isn't dating.
00:36:08.100 It's a full-on love triathlon.
00:36:10.700 A morning what-if, an evening maybe, and a 3pm chai with a could-this-please-be-the-one.
00:36:17.600 Because in the arranged marriage universe, you're basically on a sushi conveyor belt.
00:36:21.700 And like raw fish, you've got a shelf life.
00:36:25.360 And the wild part? You're not just looking for someone you like.
00:36:28.540 You're casting for a mythical hero your entire family approves of.
00:36:32.220 a saint, a demigod, a unicorn.
00:36:35.400 I know because years ago I sacrificed myself
00:36:38.000 to this chaotic, soul-crushing tradition
00:36:40.200 hoping to find love the correct way.
00:36:43.200 Boys and Girls is our absurd, cringy, heartfelt ride 1.00
00:36:46.420 through the highs and lows of the Indian arranged marriage, 0.96
00:36:49.360 finally giving you the validation and healing you deserve.
00:36:53.640 Listen to Boys and Girls starting February 19th
00:36:56.360 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
00:36:58.760 or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:37:00.720 This is Ryder Strong,
00:37:01.660 And I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.
00:37:04.420 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.
00:37:09.780 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.
00:37:13.600 It was hard to wrap your head around.
00:37:14.940 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.
00:37:18.560 No, I am not your guru.
00:37:22.360 And back then, I lied to my parents.
00:37:24.980 I lied to police.
00:37:26.240 I lied to everybody.
00:37:27.240 There were years right where I could not say your name.
00:37:30.000 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.
00:37:39.060 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?
00:37:43.640 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95
00:37:46.580 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90
00:37:49.620 Boom, boom. 0.97
00:37:50.920 This is The Red Weather.
00:37:53.920 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:38:00.000 When you feel uncomfortable, what do you put on?
00:38:03.720 Biggie.
00:38:04.500 You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable?
00:38:06.000 Because I want to get confident.
00:38:07.220 This is DJ Hester Prince's Music is Therapy, a new podcast from me, a DJ and licensed therapist
00:38:13.240 that asks one simple question.
00:38:15.900 Who do you want to be and what's the song that can take you there?
00:38:19.360 Music changes what you feel and what you feel changes what you do, right?
00:38:23.400 That moment where a song shifts something inside you, that's where transformation starts.
00:38:28.360 This year, I'm talking to experts across every area of life, like personal finance icon Gene Chatzky, New York Times journalist David Gellis, relationship legend Dan Savage, human connection teacher Mark Groves, and the man who shaped my ear more than anyone, Questlove.
00:38:44.660 They'll bring the strategies.
00:38:45.920 I'll pair them with the right records and will teach you how to use the music to make change stick.
00:38:50.640 This isn't just a podcast.
00:38:52.120 It's unconventional therapy for your entire year.
00:38:54.900 Listen to DJ Hester-Prin's Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:39:24.900 Zitsticka, huh?
00:39:26.840 Oh, right.
00:39:27.320 We've talked about Zitsticka. 1.00
00:39:29.500 But they have a sheet mask.
00:39:31.000 They have a sheet mask.
00:39:32.000 Yeah.
00:39:32.340 That I got to say.
00:39:33.400 Frag me here for.
00:39:34.020 Yeah, yeah. 0.97
00:39:34.340 It's supposed to like soothe breakouts and whatever the fuck. 0.94
00:39:37.080 But I did it. 0.90
00:39:38.140 I saw a difference the next day.
00:39:40.160 I got a tear.
00:39:40.780 Yeah.
00:39:42.300 I'm looking here.
00:39:43.460 For a second, I was terrified.
00:39:44.620 I thought it was $36 for one.
00:39:46.320 It's $36 for four.
00:39:48.300 You do the math.
00:39:48.980 I can't.
00:39:49.680 But I will be repurchasing.
00:39:52.660 $8, right?
00:39:54.900 Seems expensive.
00:39:56.600 So, well, it is.
00:39:57.800 But actually, again,
00:39:58.600 Jack has a sheet mask on now.
00:39:59.980 So yesterday I was going through products
00:40:01.580 because sheet masks are shockingly expensive, right?
00:40:04.420 You go single use what's going on here.
00:40:06.240 Yeah.
00:40:06.860 So like, you know, you get a facial
00:40:08.300 and they're like, you can add like whatever like treatment.
00:40:11.500 And then you're like,
00:40:13.040 you're like 60 bucks for a single application of a product.
00:40:16.960 One time.
00:40:18.320 Yeah.
00:40:18.820 And we know it doesn't do anything
00:40:20.100 unless you've used it for 12 weeks.
00:40:21.940 Yes.
00:40:22.480 Oh, God.
00:40:23.160 They're like, today, we applied your serum for you.
00:40:26.200 It's like, how about I buy the bottle and head home with it, right?
00:40:31.540 So like, and then with the sheet masks, I'm like, okay, this is too much, right?
00:40:37.240 But there is kind of a shocking amount of product sometimes in them.
00:40:41.460 Now, you are kind of being forced to use it all at once, right?
00:40:44.260 So like, I'm doing the thing right now.
00:40:45.640 I just put the sheet mask on and then I took the excess, right?
00:40:48.980 From inside the thing, rub it all over my body.
00:40:53.160 right yeah now you know it's a real thrill some people do like with the dennis gross peel pads
00:40:59.420 this like calls to me are you ready use half yeah of like the thing like snip it and like
00:41:05.340 immediately get it into like you know a ziploc or something what like they decide they don't need
00:41:12.500 the entire towel of product for a single application actually i wouldn't suggest
00:41:18.900 that with the dentist grows
00:41:19.740 because he's like,
00:41:20.320 use it till it's dry.
00:41:20.940 Yeah, that doesn't seem wise.
00:41:22.700 But like anything like that,
00:41:23.900 like anything that's in a jar
00:41:25.940 that is circular pads going down
00:41:28.280 that's soaked in product,
00:41:30.140 you could probably
00:41:31.360 take a knife through that 0.96
00:41:33.260 and have a bunch of half circles
00:41:35.360 that you use
00:41:36.600 and you get double.
00:41:39.540 See what I'm saying? 1.00
00:41:40.800 I find that a goddamn drill. 0.99
00:41:42.160 I think so. 0.99
00:41:44.400 I'm,
00:41:44.960 I gotta get a sheet mask on here.
00:41:47.000 Something's up.
00:41:47.460 I didn't,
00:41:47.840 I will say again,
00:41:48.540 I have no, I've said it on POOG 4,000 times, but today I actually gasped.
00:41:52.300 I had a zip that was forming under the skin.
00:41:54.320 It's always subterranean.
00:41:55.180 I went, uh-oh, last night.
00:41:56.080 I was so tired.
00:41:57.600 What?
00:41:58.160 You never catch it late.
00:42:00.180 You always catch it subterranean.
00:42:01.560 I got subterranean.
00:42:02.560 Yeah.
00:42:03.080 I take out my zip.
00:42:04.080 I was so tired.
00:42:05.420 I zipped it.
00:42:06.620 Disgusting term.
00:42:07.460 I woke up and it's half. 0.88
00:42:09.300 Wow. 0.93
00:42:09.620 It's half as.
00:42:10.540 Where's my zip?
00:42:11.080 So I just continued to praise the zip for the acne work.
00:42:18.540 hello it's me anna sinfield from the girlfriends the number one hit true crime show that puts
00:42:30.000 women right in the center of their own stories i'm back with more one-off interviews with some
00:42:36.380 truly kick-ass women on the girlfriends spotlight i want to introduce you to sylvia i'm going to 1.00
00:42:43.920 Declined it.
00:42:45.560 And then there's Vassaka.
00:42:47.620 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.
00:42:51.720 Leila dared to ask the question.
00:42:54.200 Is badness hereditary?
00:42:56.240 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.
00:42:58.360 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,
00:43:01.180 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.
00:43:04.100 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,
00:43:05.840 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.
00:43:08.880 I'm not too intimidated by her.
00:43:10.280 What are you talking about? 0.72
00:43:11.240 Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 1.00
00:43:41.240 in the arranged marriage universe, 0.99
00:43:42.780 you're basically on a sushi conveyor belt.
00:43:45.000 And like raw fish, you've got a shelf life.
00:43:48.680 And the wild part?
00:43:50.140 You're not just looking for someone you like.
00:43:51.980 You're casting for a mythical hero
00:43:53.440 your entire family approves of.
00:43:55.680 A saint, a demigod, a unicorn.
00:43:58.680 I know because years ago,
00:44:00.000 I sacrificed myself to this chaotic,
00:44:02.500 soul-crushing tradition,
00:44:03.720 hoping to find love the correct way.
00:44:06.440 Boys and Girls is our absurd, cringy,
00:44:08.840 heartfelt ride through the highs and lows 1.00
00:44:10.780 of the Indian arranged marriage,
00:44:12.680 finally giving you the validation
00:44:14.460 and healing you deserve.
00:44:17.000 Listen to Boys and Girls starting February 19th
00:44:19.660 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
00:44:22.080 or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:44:24.020 This is Ryder Strong,
00:44:25.120 and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.
00:44:27.700 It was many and many a year ago
00:44:30.700 in a kingdom by the sea.
00:44:33.080 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor,
00:44:35.620 disappeared from a commune.
00:44:36.900 It was hard to wrap your head around.
00:44:38.240 It was nature and trees and praying.
00:44:40.780 I'm in drugs.
00:44:41.900 No, I am not your guru.
00:44:45.660 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.
00:44:50.520 There were years right where I could not say your name.
00:44:53.500 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.
00:45:02.360 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?
00:45:06.940 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95
00:45:09.700 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90
00:45:12.900 Boom, boom. 0.97
00:45:14.220 This is The Red Weather.
00:45:17.200 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:45:23.860 When you feel uncomfortable, what do you put on?
00:45:27.080 Biggie.
00:45:27.820 You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable?
00:45:29.320 Because I want to get confident.
00:45:30.500 This is DJ Hester Prince's Music is Therapy, a new podcast from me, a DJ and licensed therapist that asks one simple question.
00:45:39.240 Who do you want to be and what's the song that can take you there?
00:45:42.680 Music changes what you feel and what you feel changes what you do, right?
00:45:46.940 That moment where a song shifts something inside you, that's where transformation starts.
00:45:51.600 This year, I'm talking to experts across every area of life, like personal finance icon Gene Chatzky, New York Times journalist David Gellis, relationship legend Dan Savage, human connection teacher Mark Groves, and the man who shaped my ear more than anyone, Questlove.
00:46:07.640 They'll bring the strategies. I'll pair them with the right records and we'll teach you how to use
00:46:11.840 the music to make change stick. This isn't just a podcast. It's unconventional therapy for your
00:46:17.420 entire year. Listen to DJ Hester-Krin's Music is Therapy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
00:46:23.060 or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:46:32.060 Glancing to the left, I see my Nivea hand cream. I see my copy of Pima Chodron when things fall
00:46:36.980 apart, which is the only text that we ever need to live and survive. And I'll just say that again.
00:46:41.980 No, I know. I know you love Pima. I was pushing Carolyn Mace on you again.
00:46:47.740 Blown away. Continue to be blown away. Get the audio and have your life change. I'm like,
00:46:52.200 she remains my number one, I think, teacher. Which book should we start with?
00:46:56.520 You know, it's so hard because it's just too hard. So that's where I have to let go and say,
00:47:02.740 like she was the one that calls to you like that's all I can kind of say okay but what for you what
00:47:07.760 was the one that was I was hooked because I heard her on a on a podcast and she was talking about
00:47:14.300 Teresa of Avila and um who the hell is that some saint yeah and Teresa of Avila wrote a book called
00:47:22.700 the interior castle and she wrote it I think it was called I always forget because and she's a
00:47:29.120 Saint?
00:47:29.940 Yeah, Saint Teresa. 0.59
00:47:32.080 She's one of the Teresas.
00:47:33.960 And she, you may have seen the painting, The Ecstasy, Teresa.
00:47:39.500 Okay.
00:47:40.180 So this book she wrote, it was like for her nuns in her order.
00:47:45.660 And they asked her to write it.
00:47:47.880 And I forget, but basically she spends like a lot of it, 0.89
00:47:52.340 like in the beginning, almost like talking about like how wretched and unworthy she is.
00:47:57.120 Okay, to like write spiritual instruction for anybody else.
00:48:00.060 But like part of it's like, it's like genius.
00:48:02.140 And part of it's like, because the, like the men, the priests, whatever, like they were
00:48:06.300 like very whatever about her, you know what I mean?
00:48:08.340 So she had to like bury it under, I might have this slightly wrong, but is the gist.
00:48:14.280 And so she takes you through the seven mansions of the interior castle.
00:48:20.740 Okay, it's a journey, Teresa, right?
00:48:23.480 Through the seven mansions of the soul.
00:48:26.060 Okay.
00:48:27.120 And it's like in the first mansion, you confront humility and humiliation.
00:48:34.460 Don't threaten me with a good time.
00:48:35.960 Okay.
00:48:37.640 So as you go through, you get closer and closer to, you know, the center, you know, of your soul, whatever.
00:48:46.100 And it's very like, you know, in the first mansion, like your reptiles are there, like Teresa calls them your reptiles. 0.99
00:48:51.980 It's like, you know, these shit you deal with or whatever. 0.98
00:48:56.340 it's like it takes you through it's absolutely amazing and then and then carolyn mace has a book 0.98
00:49:00.740 um and an audio sort of studying this and her version of taking you through she takes you to
00:49:09.460 these rooms and you go fucking deep well like you sit there and look at like how chaos rules your
00:49:14.440 life that sounds fun it's like where you know it's like the other one like fear of humiliation like 0.95
00:49:19.940 like whatever like all this kind of stuff and go in and you go into this and you sit there and you
00:49:24.600 like talk to your soul it's it's you'll be on your knees you'll be on your knees that's all
00:49:30.480 I'm interested in doing when I go back also I'm I have to get a Jungian therapist me too I went on
00:49:36.940 like the Jungian therapist like website whatever me too like the center in Los Angeles really I
00:49:41.900 went a while ago because you have to apply yeah and and I'm like you apply scared like I gotta go
00:49:46.540 back in there I gotta go back and you need to be right they need to be right it takes a long time
00:49:50.640 too apparently like you apply and it's like you might not hear back for like six months yeah well
00:49:54.520 maybe it's like one of those initiatory things you have to ask three times before they like
00:49:58.160 to keep coming they turn you away I believe it I need that I can't believe um how much I need that
00:50:06.580 yeah I'm like sending messages again to like Carolyn Mays trying to like get her to come to
00:50:10.900 my show didn't she but she's you're in contact with her right um lightly still removed and I
00:50:18.360 I don't want to scare her off.
00:50:19.900 I understand.
00:50:20.680 Oh, right.
00:50:21.300 Carolyn Mace's book
00:50:21.980 is Entering the Castle
00:50:22.940 that works with Teresa's
00:50:24.540 The Interior Castle.
00:50:26.320 I mean,
00:50:26.920 if you're not sold
00:50:27.720 by what I just said.
00:50:30.080 No, I...
00:50:30.660 If you're not looking to go...
00:50:31.620 I don't mean you.
00:50:32.220 I mean like everyone.
00:50:33.700 If you're not dying
00:50:35.120 to go through
00:50:36.200 the labyrinth of your soul. 1.00
00:50:37.460 Are you fucking kidding? 0.99
00:50:38.740 I know. 0.99
00:50:39.200 We're going to go... 0.99
00:50:39.700 I can't fucking believe 0.98
00:50:40.600 how Labyrinthine... 1.00
00:50:41.660 We're going to fuck... 1.00
00:50:42.980 I know. 1.00
00:50:43.740 You and I on the trip.
00:50:44.900 It goes straight to the trip.
00:50:46.420 The journey we will take.
00:50:47.540 us Sedona somewhere again is it mountains is it beach is it rocks there's something about it being
00:50:53.660 Sedona that I'm kind of just double down do Sedona even though yes we would go 13 hours to wherever 0.88
00:51:00.720 there is something about like the hour and a half flight that rules yeah yeah that fucking rules and
00:51:07.160 becomes like it's pretty close okay it's pretty close and of course you know what I'm doing 0.93
00:51:12.620 So then we get to return.
00:51:14.140 Us going to Sedona,
00:51:15.700 hour and a half flight from Los Angeles.
00:51:17.160 I'm like,
00:51:17.840 oh, so now I'm basically creating a new place in my life
00:51:20.080 where I can go.
00:51:20.580 Right.
00:51:21.020 That's what I mean.
00:51:21.760 I want to learn about Sedona.
00:51:22.680 Right.
00:51:23.560 And,
00:51:24.540 okay,
00:51:24.820 should we just lock Sedona in right now? 0.83
00:51:27.020 Let's lock Sedona in. 1.00
00:51:29.340 Woo!
00:51:31.380 Okay.
00:51:32.540 Okay.
00:51:33.000 Never made that sound in my life.
00:51:34.700 Yeah.
00:51:36.200 Us,
00:51:37.120 the desert.
00:51:37.420 That was shocking.
00:51:38.000 That was like a,
00:51:38.780 that sound,
00:51:39.840 that was like really,
00:51:41.100 that came from somewhere.
00:51:41.900 Something new came through, I guess.
00:51:43.800 Something new came through.
00:51:45.500 I think Sedona could be huge.
00:51:47.880 And yeah, rocks and us praying at dawn.
00:51:51.400 Yeah, you trying to hide the like, okay, so remember it was like, you know, you're not going to like, like check in daily to make sure I'm still interested in going or whatever.
00:52:01.500 Yeah.
00:52:02.340 Okay.
00:52:02.780 And you're not going to like obsess, like whatever, like, like, you still did it.
00:52:07.660 Yeah, you still did it.
00:52:08.640 hide it under like information like you're like I like I almost want to look no I can't find it
00:52:17.580 it was like it's like you know these texts like the trip's gonna be huge like I mean specifically
00:52:22.140 like I'm just like I can't explain it like it was like it was like but I loved it um and
00:52:29.800 the extent to how easily I can picture glancing over to you while we're both on horses
00:52:35.520 oh my god gentle fear of being thrown from the horse i'm just gonna say now
00:52:40.600 gentle fear of being bucked i they don't put you on the ones that buck though that's the thing
00:52:47.920 they're putting you on the ones that have like received the injection so like never 0.99
00:52:51.940 or whatever no they um they don't fuck around okay no there's the only thing i'll say 0.98
00:52:58.920 is I mean technically 1.00
00:53:00.960 if that horse
00:53:02.280 he's a rattler
00:53:03.580 I just said got spooked by a snake
00:53:06.880 oh
00:53:07.260 yeah
00:53:09.300 full body cast
00:53:13.740 I think they're probably even
00:53:15.960 trained for that
00:53:17.400 I don't know
00:53:18.120 we're probably not
00:53:19.960 like on our first trip to Sedona
00:53:21.640 we're probably not going to get like
00:53:23.260 into the deep cuts
00:53:24.440 kind of like ranches
00:53:25.980 we're probably going to be at Disneyland
00:53:27.660 no we're the
00:53:28.560 exactly
00:53:29.100 the Disneyland one
00:53:29.820 I just have the most 0.96
00:53:31.200 fucked up image 0.98
00:53:32.140 that I shouldn't even say 0.98
00:53:33.000 which is like
00:53:33.740 the horse starts to get spooked
00:53:35.700 mid buck
00:53:36.160 they just shoot it dead 0.97
00:53:37.220 oh you mean 0.99
00:53:39.840 you mean like
00:53:40.800 that's how they
00:53:41.540 like handle it
00:53:42.300 at the Disneyland ranch
00:53:43.480 yeah
00:53:44.260 like the most 0.99
00:53:45.660 fucked up tape 0.99
00:53:46.460 if your horse 0.94
00:53:47.680 go oh
00:53:48.120 and the horse starts
00:53:49.540 to move in a way
00:53:50.220 they go oh 1.00
00:53:50.620 she's about to get buck 0.99
00:53:51.340 they just shoot it 1.00
00:53:52.000 between the eyes 0.51
00:53:52.560 and you go oh
00:53:53.560 well it'd be like
00:53:55.160 and then they prepare you
00:53:56.220 like you won't
00:53:56.940 You will not get bucked, but you might feel the life of a horse beneath you drain.
00:54:03.600 Be extinguished too soon.
00:54:05.880 Yeah.
00:54:06.320 And it's like, you know, that reminds me of my previous like landlord or like apartment manager or whatever at my previous Los Angeles apartment.
00:54:14.580 He was like, there was like an earthquake.
00:54:16.700 I was like pretty freaked out by the sensation and a crack appeared in the tile in the courtyard after the earthquake and whatever.
00:54:24.500 And I started looking up earthquake stuff in L.A.
00:54:26.900 and saw all these like flattened buildings
00:54:29.260 that looked exactly like the same construction of my building.
00:54:32.560 You know what I mean?
00:54:32.900 Like same materials.
00:54:35.240 And they also had paused for COVID the whatever it's called
00:54:40.380 where they shore up like they legally have to shore up
00:54:42.560 all the buildings generally.
00:54:43.640 And like that was paused like it was meant to happen that year.
00:54:46.020 And so I was like, I don't know, I might have to get out of here.
00:54:49.180 And I was up on the second floor and he was like,
00:54:52.720 he's like, you know, he's like, you're on the second floor.
00:54:55.520 Like, if it collapses underneath, you just ride it down.
00:55:03.580 You just ride it down.
00:55:05.080 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:55:06.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:07.400 Yeah.
00:55:08.160 Just arms in the air.
00:55:09.160 Woo!
00:55:09.740 Yeah. 1.00
00:55:10.140 Woo!
00:55:10.840 There it is again.
00:55:12.120 There it is again. 1.00
00:55:13.620 Okay, shit. 1.00
00:55:14.580 I literally have to go because I'm getting the massage from the wild, amazing healer. 1.00
00:55:19.260 Oh, right.
00:55:19.800 I'm so excited.
00:55:20.760 Wait, New York based?
00:55:22.060 Not Lorenzo.
00:55:22.880 Yeah, this woman. 0.99
00:55:23.960 So I can get it when I'm there. 0.98
00:55:25.240 Yes, you can get it when you're here.
00:55:28.080 She's incredible.
00:55:28.740 She's the one who told me I was holding on to something for dear life in my hips.
00:55:31.620 Oh, right.
00:55:32.620 Right.
00:55:32.940 Oh, by the way, speaking of, I sent you the post, but I posted something about,
00:55:37.580 or I sent you a thing about urinary urgency and the inability to live in the unknown. 0.99
00:55:45.060 Holy shit. 0.99
00:55:46.520 There it is. 1.00
00:55:47.640 There it is.
00:55:48.340 I've actually haven't had as much urgency.
00:55:51.140 I don't even know if that was a thing for you.
00:55:53.120 No, yeah.
00:55:53.740 that's positive you're nervous like constantly yeah okay um love you love you sedona
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