Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - More Connected Than Ever

00:00:00.800 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:00:02.340 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:00:03.440 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:00:08.160 Two untameable intellects.

00:00:09.940 This is our hobby. 0.93

00:00:10.780 This is our hell.

00:00:11.640 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:00:13.960 This is POOG.

00:00:15.380 Today's topic, loosely speaking, Fusion Flow, the unthinkable, constant nudes.

00:00:24.820 Hello.

00:00:26.460 Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well.

00:00:29.680 What do we have here? It's so funny because we haven't, we have not been in person in like a

00:00:34.980 month. And yet more connected than ever. I know. I mean, I'm just throwing that out there, but

00:00:39.120 I'm posing it as a, cause I've been on the road. You're alone out there. There is a coziness to

00:00:44.240 be able to, you know, text something hideous in a hotel. Of course. And boy, I saved it actually.

00:00:51.740 It's a funny thing. You and me walking around in the world, right? Right. I'll save it. Right.

00:00:55.680 Save it for the show.

00:00:56.280 For our conversation later.

00:00:57.500 Oh, yeah.

00:00:57.680 Right?

00:00:58.280 And I did save it when I told you.

00:01:00.780 Yeah.

00:01:01.160 What?

00:01:01.520 A couple.

00:01:02.240 I did save it when I told you, like, that I had checked in and out of two hotels in the same day.

00:01:07.980 Hotels.

00:01:08.540 Yeah.

00:01:09.480 Hotels.

00:01:10.240 Yeah.

00:01:11.020 Well, I got a text from Jacqueline.

00:01:12.820 I'm just going to start with it up top.

00:01:14.340 Right. 0.91

00:01:14.880 I got a text from Jacqueline that said, a woman at Starbucks thought I was homeless and asked me to leave.

00:01:20.720 Oh, yeah.

00:01:21.280 I forgot about that.

00:01:22.800 That I couldn't resist.

00:01:23.880 Which was one of the most incredible.

00:01:24.580 and you were fascinated you wanted answers and then one of the one of the key contextual factors

00:01:30.560 here is that you of course are an in-app you order an app so you were there with all your bags

00:01:35.680 no drink in sight and you still haven't walked me through what happened so i'd like you to do that

00:01:39.860 now you know does the story fall apart like because they don't explicitly say anything

00:01:45.060 i don't think so what do you mean right i'm like well here's what happened so what city zoom out

00:01:52.920 Philly. I was there for like a year, it feels like, because I was in like five hotels during

00:01:57.880 four nights or whatever. Not actually five. Three? I actually did a list before so I could

00:02:01.880 think about it. Like how many hotels did I walk into a room and either stay for one hour,

00:02:06.540 five hours, or five minutes, right? Always having checked in, okay? And always paying in advance.

00:02:12.860 Every time I go, I'm paying in advance because I'm not leaving this one, and then I still would

00:02:17.000 leave kate is okay it's it's okay so one two three four five five hotels in four nights 0.75

00:02:24.280 okay okay whoa okay you know i seem like a jerk right you know in the rider going if you can find 0.60

00:02:32.440 flat you know still celsius before you know for in the rider for the showroom right and they're 0.95

00:02:37.580 like we'll see what flavors are available right and it's like yeah but non-carbonated to be

00:02:42.840 burping on stage who burps in um charlie and chocolate factory like oh yeah and the bubbles

00:02:50.420 are coming up and then they float all the way up yeah yeah anyway fizzy pops or something fizzy

00:02:54.220 whirls all right all right sorry i'm obviously very excited yeah yeah so i've dragged myself

00:02:59.940 out of one of my hotels okay going i'm not doing it right and why well that's a whole that's a

00:03:06.500 whole other story right i mean i i have to move through that story like on its own okay because

00:03:11.680 it's like i have to move through i realize and this is you know the struggle for all

00:03:15.280 who you know engage in conversations with me is that i entirely map a sequence of events through

00:03:21.240 a kind of memory palace right and so when i'm telling a story right i am simply i'm literally

00:03:26.700 physically moving myself through space in my mind through the things that happen okay and that's why 0.52

00:03:31.480 every fucking detail has to be it so it's you know anyway so i was like thinking how can i not do 0.80

00:03:38.440 that you know but then again how can one abandon what one is i'm making a note so i don't forget 0.92

00:03:46.240 because i have i have some i have hotel wait i oh my god i really embarrassed myself in front

00:03:53.180 of someone thank you this is my own invention neutral nails and then last minute i go why

00:03:58.100 don't you draw us why are you throwing star beautiful couple stars it's very you know eighth

00:04:02.220 grade kind of well manicure something then well then i texted you because my cuticles had been

00:04:07.860 of course mutilated oh right yeah we have a lot we have a lot to you and me i you know is that is 0.98

00:04:13.460 that some kind of um the manicure uh because i know does your mother also have weak cuticles the

00:04:18.940 bleed yes yeah so does my my mother taught me as a young girl not only push this only push back

00:04:26.640 i know because it's such a lie because it doesn't work push back for what 60 years

00:04:32.920 well i think it's eventually supposed to fall away i guess that it is falling away you know

00:04:39.420 which is like a scrubber brush in the shower you push back and then you scrub away but then also 0.86

00:04:43.140 i have which is so fucking disgusting i don't want to put on air but like the what do you call that 0.99

00:04:47.960 what's that scales it's not even the cuticle those are peeling cuticles how fucking disgusting is 0.98

00:04:53.020 that i actually don't find it disgusting i think it's like completely well you know you know speaking 0.89

00:04:58.640 you nails um a lovely fan that i met at one of my shows produced a t-shirt for me right i'm trying

00:05:04.400 to think if she was also wearing it and i'm like what is that and i look at it or i go oh well i

00:05:08.880 go what does it say again it's like this is symbolic uh reference to attractiveness right

00:05:13.360 i'm like or she gives it to me i'm like that's genius she's like you said it okay which is i go

00:05:19.260 it's so embarrassing i go i'm like i like something about that this has happened before

00:05:24.160 i go hang on and it's me i remember i had a professor who i loved in college and she's she

00:05:31.880 told a story and i go could this be real she was not famous but i guess she had been published i

00:05:37.540 really liked god and she told a story by the way when she was my teacher was like teaching poetry

00:05:42.140 basically point is she was older like she must have been in her 70s and if not older probably

00:05:48.820 her 70s anyway she told a story about that she was browsing at a bookstore opened a book started

00:05:54.040 reading it and liking it and going oh my god it's me no it's her own book and i was gonna be 19 or

00:05:59.500 no no she was quoted in another book no sweetie she was saying that it was like hers and i was

00:06:03.340 like 19 and i was like i don't think that was true it's a little bit like something was smoothed over

00:06:09.180 in the edge of that story yeah which is fine just move which is fine yeah humor you know humorists

00:06:13.780 Yeah. But I feel a moment of embarrassment for her. I know. No, for me. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm really taken with it. But then I remembered it was our conversation about nails. Right. And me going, is the claw fundamentally attractive? And me feeling like it's a reference to attractive, a reference to a certain kind of femininity. Right. As you said, has jewelry ever made a woman beautiful? No.

00:06:34.640 that by the way triggered a conversation at um thanksgiving uh-huh like like people unpacking

00:06:41.020 that you know what i mean and me like me like shouting to try to you know like defend my claim

00:06:45.700 yeah yeah um oh my god there's so much but wait wait lead me lead me okay get me through the

00:06:53.100 story kate only you can okay so there's the hotels but i'm gonna set aside the hotel for now okay

00:06:57.900 and i'm just gonna try to do starbucks okay yeah okay the point is i've left one hotel okay and

00:07:03.000 i've got i've got a suitcase and as chris pointed out later a briggs riley i mean respectable i mean

00:07:09.640 yeah you know and um and then i've got a couple bags yeah when you say bag you mean like plastic

00:07:15.680 no no paper no tote tote totes okay you've got some totes one was a tom bin okay tom bin tom bin 0.97

00:07:24.420 tombe tombe tombe tombe yeah why'd you get that bitch uh-oh was that a single okay that might 0.96

00:07:32.960 have come pre whoa cut you mean you put you bought a pocket i don't recall that so i'm wondering how 0.99

00:07:40.300 did i end up with one there oh no i i bet i know there was a moment where they sent something to

00:07:46.380 outfit me on tour and my tour manager wow you might have gotten cut out of that one and for

00:07:52.400 that i'm sorry okay i apologize accepted but i think we can do um well i wear my tom bin backpack

00:07:58.880 as you know okay she feared it was sexless and now she uses it to store i still feel journals

00:08:05.280 full of sexual escapades a little bit it's it's hard i know i recognize this i've told you this

00:08:10.440 i'll tell it again i recognize this in high school and i used to feel hideous in these big fleece

00:08:15.900 jackets that i loved in middle school i had a wheelie backpack in middle school because i was

00:08:21.200 worried about my back i know the seventh grader have you seen the textbooks you were right they're

00:08:27.020 gonna kill us yeah i mean you were right i know i you know i don't see any overdeveloped traps in

00:08:31.480 you so go just i think the function the iphone function which is showing you images from the 0.97

00:08:37.780 past is really fucking reckless and it's psychologically abusive i agree and i think 0.92

00:08:42.560 it's a huge fucking problem and you should opt out and i don't want to see the photos from four 1.00

00:08:48.420 years ago why do they think we do it's sick it's so fucked up have you watched mad men in the 0.99

00:08:53.940 carousel yes of course nostalgia episode last night i went down i my mood was truly affected 0.95

00:08:59.780 this day in 2022 or whatever and i'm like and i and then i go see all photos i start scanning back

00:09:06.660 before i know it haunting i'm haunted the passage of time has has accelerated beyond what i thought

00:09:12.000 was possible i go because also duh i'm taking constant nudes yeah so i have my full i don't

00:09:18.460 have a i mean i'm exaggerating obviously but i just mean it's like i am looking at my i mean

00:09:23.040 it's just the horror of youth and the blindness of youth and i'm like i thought i was ugly

00:09:27.940 i was gorgeous and then i go does that mean i'm gorgeous now like it's so scary i know

00:09:35.360 well i remember that's that's so hard genius comedian best telling our friend yeah saying

00:09:40.680 And I feel like she says when we were at this, like, comedy festival together many years ago, but she was saying something, you know, something along the lines of, like, you're at your most attractive in terms of youth.

00:09:51.540 Like, yeah.

00:09:52.400 Every day is the hottest you'll ever be.

00:09:54.260 I mean, that, I mean.

00:09:55.640 Not really true.

00:09:56.400 No, she doesn't say the hottest you'll ever be, but when you're fixating on the youth element of it.

00:09:59.700 I know, I know exactly.

00:10:00.580 Because when you're in youth, you don't fixate on youth.

00:10:02.980 You will look back on this, you know, so you should, you know, try to enjoy yourself every day.

00:10:07.660 But I'm sure she said it better, you know.

00:10:09.560 but it always all to say kate i turn on my television you try to escape what do you see

00:10:16.440 images the floating uh the floating beyond the grave pets from past i have them in very specific

00:10:23.640 you know yeah yeah it's like boom okay and it's like oh great christmas time like me and chris

00:10:29.120 with like you know what i mean it's like it's like really not okay it's really not okay and 0.74

00:10:33.580 Why would you ever want to see, like, every life, I mean, every movie, every celestial movie, okay, it's a major fucking event.

00:10:44.260 An angel has to come down, okay, to take you through your life in this way. 0.96

00:10:47.820 Right, right, right. 0.99

00:10:48.500 Okay, it's a major, it's a life-changing event every fucking time. 0.99

00:10:51.280 Exactly. 0.99

00:10:51.500 They break down.

00:10:52.680 We'll do a viewing of Scrooge maybe this year finally, but, you know, it's like the angel and he's bringing them through and he brings them to his old life in Queens and he's like.

00:11:00.960 You're so right.

00:11:01.480 He's like, I'm not going to cry.

00:11:02.620 I'm not going to cry.

00:11:03.340 And then Niagara Falls, he cries.

00:11:05.300 Of course.

00:11:06.020 And sorry, I'm just being dragged towards my fantasy of Christmas and a couple of things we're going to watch together.

00:11:13.060 No, but you're right.

00:11:13.920 It should be this supernatural event.

00:11:16.960 Across my television.

00:11:17.640 It shouldn't just be like, oh, yeah.

00:11:19.640 Oh, here's every relationship I've been through.

00:11:22.060 Everything.

00:11:22.540 Just constant.

00:11:23.640 Just there it is.

00:11:25.260 Also, it does feel sometimes like. 0.98

00:11:26.840 Sometimes I'm like, oh, this is someone's genitals. 0.98

00:11:29.220 Is the system. 0.99

00:11:30.060 Yeah.

00:11:30.320 Is the system.

00:11:30.880 it doesn't seem like they're really like checking for that sort of thing like yeah they're not like

00:11:34.660 um like it's like it's like a cat christmas and then like a receipt you know what i mean

00:11:39.120 there's just a fundamental alienation from from the self whether happy sad or anything i don't

00:11:48.880 i look at myself and i go i look at some picture of me in new york 10 years ago in my apartment

00:11:53.280 like trying on an outfit sending it to paul right always me trying on different outfits

00:11:56.880 sending them Paul. And just, you know, I don't know what I feel for her. Okay. I don't, I don't,

00:12:04.880 is it pity? Is it yearning? Like it's a sick feeling. Okay, Kate, Kate, it's so, you know

00:12:14.220 what? Maybe this is what we need to do, except it's over. I know, I know. Except it's over.

00:12:18.200 Yeah, yeah, totally. And then, and then we come back around through. Yeah, totally. So it's gone

00:12:21.820 and we're actually coming back through the second time. That's good. It's totally fine. It's totally

00:12:24.820 fine we're reabsorbed okay wait wait i'm looking at my little notes because and we're gonna the

00:12:30.500 starbucks i'm almost like no starbucks okay okay and i'm happy for it to go through starbucks and

00:12:35.680 then i think we almost need to do and this will we'll do a whole separate episode about the hotels

00:12:41.060 of the we had the last couple weeks because it's a that will it's a bottle up yeah it's a bottle

00:12:46.560 you know where you just oh and that's the award winner okay but by the way look at me okay i'm

00:12:51.100 here the last couple minutes i was here what's that gonna do for a girl i asked i i came upon

00:12:56.780 my father staying at the one hotel they love it in the neck okay oh to keep them open because

00:13:02.180 you've been reading probably about the or reading you've been you've been seeing the post about the

00:13:05.960 glymph no not draining from the head at night okay oh is that the thing with the pillow where 0.99

00:13:10.380 you need the other pillow to well it's glymph what's your glymph it's like brain lymph oh fuck 0.98

00:13:16.980 new discovery okay oh god the brain washes itself nightly i know well you know what eye boogers are 0.99

00:13:23.200 is itself matter from your brain what do you know this right no when you have little crystallizations 0.99

00:13:29.040 aka every morning can't be real but i feel like that's good when you have shit in your eye 1.00

00:13:33.960 particularly the little hard things that's coming out of your fucking brain that's your brain 0.99

00:13:40.280 washing and pushing it out through your eyes sinus seems like it would make more sense but i 1.00

00:13:45.640 heard brain no brain's making a lot of sense i heard brain the little hard not even just sleep

00:13:51.300 but like see i love that the hard crystals how we i'm obsessed with this because like i always was

00:13:56.440 like was that only my family or something like yeah other people call it sleep i know yeah it's

00:14:00.240 sleep in your eye yeah it's what it's actually beautiful elegant yeah i know i'd be like calling

00:14:06.100 uh this breath like oh you've got some oh yeah yeah yeah and be called calling snot breath yeah

00:14:12.180 yeah some sleep in your eye it's your brain literally like well there's also that thing

00:14:17.120 because they also say or sometimes they're like that's not nasal drainage they're like that's um

00:14:22.520 spinal fluid or whatever yeah i have an announcement yeah something that's never

00:14:29.380 happened to me happened today i went it's okay obviously wanting to guess i'm not worried

00:14:34.420 something i've never done and it's due to okay i went to an 8 30 a.m workout class this morning

00:14:40.500 studio city no no sweet okay five minutes from my house because i was thinking i'm going this

00:14:48.040 morning no no i'm out of there eight minutes from my house too far for you i know anyway actually

00:14:53.080 you know what here's what's so annoying because here's i can never commit to anything right so i

00:14:56.680 work out like four times can't stop talking about it yeah makes it seem like oh here i am working

00:15:00.360 out no so it's like don't celebrate i shouldn't be celebrating the 8 30 a.m by the way it's because

00:15:05.180 i'm jetlined it's because i'm on new york time of course so i woke up at doll's eyes opening 0.89

00:15:09.620 fluttering awake 6 30 i go oh and then i i go you know what would be so fucking crazy 0.73

00:15:15.260 because i went to an 8 30 workout bus if i did the unthinkable i did the unthinkable by the way 0.88

00:15:18.760 were others there like six still it was very small it's sort of like and i like this it's

00:15:23.860 not too hard you know what i mean it's not like yoga um let me guess it's like fusion bar it's

00:15:29.360 like is it a fusion it's fusion it's bar fusion it's hard to get it's hard for me to get excited

00:15:34.900 by fusion because it often feels like do you believe in a modality or not well it's like

00:15:43.660 it's combining things exactly kate but if the system is perfect and whole right i'm i'm not

00:15:50.260 saying that i necessarily believe that i'm simply saying that my desire my completion is perfect is

00:15:55.920 the enemy of good and if i get too locked into which is you know i mean it's just like just do

00:15:59.380 something i mean you couldn't be more right i am simply identifying my struggle yeah i'm just

00:16:05.400 talking about but but this is what happened to me this morning jacqueline 8 30 it's never gonna

00:16:09.100 happen again but then i'm at the class i'm at the class i know and i go and i go is this what it

00:16:14.540 feels like 8 30 a.m oh yeah i go is this my life now by the way and i kept saying by the way as

00:16:19.680 i said to 8 30 a.m i can't believe i go it's because i'm on new york time it's like shut the 0.84

00:16:24.920 fuck up i went to a place and then i was like a lot of people get up at like it's not a big deal 0.87

00:16:29.080 seven they go there when it's 6 a.m i know and then there's like a juice place i get a juice 0.99

00:16:33.000 the guy i go it was like no it was 9 30 i go i go i go 9 30 it's still early he's like 0.81

00:16:38.960 me wanting a fucking award incredible however it's a wild and i go maybe early mornings i go 0.88

00:16:46.520 maybe if we could turn hardly early it's hardly early but if we get 8 30 is so not early 8 30 0.96

00:16:52.840 people are like yeah you like hello that's nothing that's four away from 12 30 which is

00:16:58.920 arguably late lunch i mean not a lunch but you don't think speaking of madman remember he goes

00:17:02.440 there's one thing where he goes like good morning and it's like roger sterling or who's the oldest

00:17:06.380 one it's true oh um um who's the amazing not sterling you mean no um like the japanophile

00:17:12.340 like um see i can't pull his name roger no no no that's roger sterling it's sterling and

00:17:18.220 I gotta do a rewatch

00:17:20.280 You though being able to go Japanophile 1.00

00:17:22.960 Saved both of us on 1.00

00:17:25.040 The humiliation like you, me, super watch

00:17:27.160 I'm panicking

00:17:28.000 We know his name 1.00

00:17:29.700 What the fuck is his name? He's brilliant 0.99

00:17:31.400 Someone says to him like good morning

00:17:34.780 Cooper?

00:17:35.580 Yeah Cooper

00:17:37.140 Anyway someone says to him like good morning

00:17:40.440 It's 9am

00:17:41.060 And he's like good morning

00:17:42.260 It's 9am it's practically lunch

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00:19:42.500 quince.com slash hags quince.com slash hags but 8 30 a.m totally feasible why can't that be in my

00:19:54.980 life it can if we've learned nothing here not if i go to bed but then i well let's let's let's get

00:20:01.460 serious okay i'm gonna pull out a little timetable to do the math okay because i i did this recently

00:20:06.420 i saw a thing too i saw yeah he goes it's a guy you want to live forever only eat fruit before

00:20:12.100 noon for the rest of your life there was a book written by like two people in the 80s it was all

00:20:17.060 about that and there's this guy like don't eat it later let me guess it ferments in the stomach

00:20:21.140 which isn't true sure but he's like but but it's like fruit before noon only and then i remember

00:20:26.120 thinking i think i read about that in like 17 magazine yeah it was like lindsey lohan was doing

00:20:30.060 it or something anyway point is i'm curious it's not gonna happen but um well let's just how much

00:20:38.160 sleep nine do you require okay minimum for me okay but here's what's so confusing sometimes i get

00:20:43.940 seven and a half hours i'm rested maybe but i want i want eight and a half so let's eight and a half

00:20:50.260 so let's work with eight and a half okay let's work with that here okay so eight and a half right

00:20:57.360 now now let's just say you're trying to get to this 8 30 right okay okay when i get serious about

00:21:03.020 time you got to take also i have an announcement which is that for me to really commit it's like

00:21:06.800 i'm talking about a 15 minute commute i'm talking door-to-door taking in time for parking you know

00:21:10.640 what i mean you have to yeah so i'm saying so so if i want to make classes at 8 30 you have to leave

00:21:15.900 the house and you're not going to rush in late is that really never late okay it's very by the

00:21:20.940 way thank you for holding me accountable 8 10 parking and you'll be rushing you'll be

00:21:24.840 Corzine levels to the roof.

00:21:25.720 And in order to, when you walk out the door, is there any, oops, I forgot?

00:21:29.520 Sometimes there is.

00:21:30.360 So is it reasonable to say?

00:21:31.880 8-10, 8-10.

00:21:32.900 Don't say it.

00:21:33.720 8-10 is the latest to build in the five for-

00:21:36.260 I think 8-10 is okay.

00:21:37.320 Oh, someone's blocking my car.

00:21:38.200 It'll never be five.

00:21:39.700 I'll never need the extra five.

00:21:41.040 So-

00:21:41.580 8-10.

00:21:43.000 All right.

00:21:43.320 So 8-10, right?

00:21:44.940 What do you need before you go?

00:21:46.740 Coffee and a snack and water.

00:21:49.060 No, no.

00:21:49.460 Well, this is where it really gets intense.

00:21:50.880 You know what I really want?

00:21:51.860 A full hour.

00:21:52.940 I like having time in the morning

00:21:54.900 for files I have

00:21:57.860 to send to the mayor

00:21:59.620 it's about 0.55

00:22:01.080 my father's at freaking 4.30

00:22:03.880 and the market doesn't open until 9

00:22:06.460 this is why I moved to California

00:22:08.440 the point is people are doing it

00:22:09.980 waking up early

00:22:11.500 there he's got his coffee

00:22:12.900 I'm not talking about 4.30 I know

00:22:14.720 you want to try thinking for once

00:22:16.240 sit at a table with your drink

00:22:19.060 unimaginable lifestyle

00:22:20.960 waking at 7

00:22:22.760 No.

00:22:23.300 And guess what?

00:22:24.280 Everyone does it.

00:22:25.040 You can do it.

00:22:26.020 Everyone does it.

00:22:27.100 Seven's late for people.

00:22:28.220 They go, I'm up at six.

00:22:29.620 I'm up at 5.30.

00:22:30.180 My kids are awake at six.

00:22:31.720 Exactly.

00:22:32.500 Now they're sleeping in the bed with us, so we're doing co-sleeping.

00:22:36.540 Okay, so let's just play this out.

00:22:39.780 So you're leaving at 8.10.

00:22:41.560 We know, right?

00:22:42.980 I don't mean like you've told us.

00:22:47.140 8.10.

00:22:47.860 So you want your full hour before you're out the door.

00:22:50.200 And does that hour include, like, the getting dressed or whatever?

00:22:53.340 Yeah, it does.

00:22:54.540 All right.

00:22:55.120 So, that reminds me of some active wear here for you.

00:22:58.440 7-10, wake up. 0.98

00:22:59.060 God, that's so fucking feasible. 0.98

00:23:01.020 All right. 0.96

00:23:01.240 So, we're here now at 7-10.

00:23:02.680 7-10, waking up.

00:23:04.320 Okay.

00:23:06.760 Okay.

00:23:07.400 You pat on over to the thing.

00:23:09.280 Do you think you put on the clothes right out of bed or pat on over?

00:23:12.120 The clothes are the last thing to be done.

00:23:13.160 I put on my UGG Ultra Mini boots.

00:23:15.600 Right.

00:23:16.080 To keep my feet warm.

00:23:17.260 Your mugs.

00:23:17.860 All year round.

00:23:18.580 Your mugs.

00:23:18.880 ultra ultra mini uggs okay and then by the way i'm still wearing these remember these

00:23:25.920 oh yeah they were like merrill slippers part of the merrill i really want to hear people's doing

00:23:33.060 with their moabs remember my my friends liz and jeff we put our children in moabs and we wear

00:23:37.780 moabs what is that merrill moab hiking boots liz like liz was like was like we dress our children

00:23:44.240 the ultimate endorsement it's really upsetting it was really i want to maryl actually has a huge

00:23:49.200 issue with sizing and guess what i got the boots they were too big i panicked i gave them away

00:23:54.760 now i remember when i was going on this like and i was doing hiking trip looking at the graphs

00:23:59.240 i know the fucking sizing graphs it's wild us uk i go huh huh i know there needs to be a universal 0.87

00:24:07.100 foot size once and for all i want that's what we should be fucking talking about the un 0.98

00:24:12.720 sure should okay wait wait so you're up at 7 10 right i feel so possible now now i think just 0.94

00:24:22.660 for cleanliness of i think the alarm goes off at seven i knew you were gonna say that okay

00:24:27.940 a clean seven seven clean seven you need a clean seven or this whole thing could fall apart how 0.95

00:24:32.020 fucking old i am i can't wake up at seven fucking o'clock and you wake up and you go greg novak's 0.98

00:24:36.240 been up for eight hours okay i should text greg when i wake up okay he like doesn't need to get 0.99

00:24:42.160 an email from him like a well thought out email because he woke up thinking about your conversation

00:24:46.680 from yesterday right okay so it's like you could you know it's good okay 7 a.m so what's what alarm

00:24:53.900 the phone and then 18 texts from i think 18 000 people i think not analog hatch where's the new

00:25:01.140 hatch i thought you said we're getting new hatches yeah that sounds familiar yeah you said we're

00:25:04.780 getting new hatch i know but then there was something that was weird where i was like did

00:25:08.240 i dream that and i definitely didn't dream it okay actually it would let me get a lot of sense

00:25:13.020 if hatch snuck into the ocean sounds a 4 a.m message of like you're getting a free new hatch

00:25:19.080 you wake up going where's my free hatch i guess i'll buy it god they could do things the power

00:25:23.660 they have so i really use that it's kind of crazy i love hatch what what gets it for those who don't

00:25:29.480 know hatch is an electric electronic alarm system thing that we got sent and i was like uh this

00:25:36.020 isn't my culture and then i found i go huh the sleep sounds a couple times now i wake up in the

00:25:40.920 night i go i can't go back to sleep i go putting on my hatch hatch blows me back i go it's part of

00:25:47.320 my routine is slamming okay i'll slam the one big button see mine's across the room

00:25:51.640 but on my way into bed i just slam it and then i relax and fall asleep to it i sometimes i feel

00:25:57.960 something's wrong like i know i know like oh my god i forgot to put the hatch on it's a huge part

00:26:03.280 of my wind down okay well this is a huge and i even play a willow i play willow the pillow on

00:26:09.640 one of their morning tracks or something what's that i played i did a voiceover work oh you play

00:26:16.100 willow the pillow that's cute listen to that maybe i can get another i have to find you i know

00:26:22.260 i don't know you well by the way hatch now owes us at least 200k

00:26:25.960 yeah yeah i agree so 7 p.m okay 7 a.m okay now you tell me you want nine hours right

00:26:35.360 i can do the math let's hear it 10 a.m 10 p.m go to sleep feels pretty early doesn't it and that

00:26:42.480 gets nine right yeah i feel like 10 p.m head on the pillow right god my life would change

00:26:48.040 my life would change now are you really i always feel like you're you're asleep then i'm not asleep

00:26:52.960 at 10 it always feels like i don't really text you past whatever and i'm shocked if you're up

00:26:57.900 i know like last night i was thinking and i'm like there's no way because you're like dinner

00:27:02.040 at 5 30 shut up i do have an early dinner but listen but sometimes i'd say realistically i'm

00:27:08.820 probably more like 11 11 30 going to sleep now what you'll notice is that and i say this from

00:27:17.240 like one time where i managed it you know 10 years ago or something right but it's like

00:27:20.820 when you start getting up at the time the body wants the routine and okay and you'll start to

00:27:29.420 be tired enough and you might find yourself ready at 10 going i'm really in the mood to go to sleep

00:27:35.660 no wonder you're not in the mood at 10 what about our lives what about what about our lives what

00:27:40.900 about this is performer life also just yeah yeah well so oftentimes you and me perform on the east

00:27:48.480 coast right yeah so so over there i'm not talking about travel i'm talking i'm talking about more

00:27:53.680 just like here like on pacific time yeah pacific standard yeah performing or just you know you

00:28:00.840 sometimes you go i'm out late but that's just what it is how many times a week are we disturbing 0.99

00:28:05.420 the sleep cycle you know what i've heard what i think if you lock the wake time yeah oh fuck 1.00

00:28:13.620 You just fucking lock the wake time. 1.00

00:28:15.300 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:28:15.740 Let the chips fall where they do. 1.00

00:28:17.940 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:19.040 That's cool.

00:28:19.980 You go, I'm up at seven.

00:28:21.780 I'm up at seven.

00:28:23.420 But sometimes you have to sleep if you're wake up at seven.

00:28:27.840 That's so often for me.

00:28:29.100 Well, I think you let the chips fall, okay?

00:28:32.260 And then you adjust.

00:28:34.020 I don't know, but I feel like you're four, seven.

00:28:37.560 And again, this is like my extremism, okay?

00:28:40.520 But if I'm dropping the water and you'll swim.

00:28:43.180 What?

00:28:43.620 kate locking eight i'm already trying to lock eight wait why i just thought i know about your

00:28:49.300 hour yeah i know i know i go about the 9 30 workout class is there one yeah there always is 1.00

00:28:56.540 now you're at lunch the second you get out you're right fuck that shit this is about having a life 0.99

00:29:00.640 that's livable i mean because you also you're getting to the evening and you're you're thinking 0.99

00:29:05.240 about you're picturing evening but you're forgetting that like you know it works out

00:29:10.340 god that's cool you could even get dinner with a friend yeah there's time in this well you've

00:29:16.480 you know you've heard nothing good happens after whatever now of course that's not true in certain

00:29:20.560 senses right i forget what it is but it's kind of like i don't know if i actually don't recall

00:29:25.560 the time that people say that and who cares i'm gonna literally have a kid just to walk in

00:29:29.980 sleep schedule no i know and once again it's like oh you know you don't need it okay i mean you can

00:29:37.580 have a kid i'm just saying not for that yeah okay so so i'm going because imagine when it's like oh

00:29:46.820 it's time to go to bed at 10 p.m right okay i'm imagining it's 10 30 and i only got eight and a

00:29:52.880 half see what i'm saying you're still a pretty good margin here so you're building the margin

00:29:58.440 here okay i'm gonna work as an experiment as an experiment for the podcast how many days

00:30:05.920 me too seven yes you get so excited when you join me it's so easy it's so easy to get me

00:30:12.760 i'm very things like this all i want in life is accountability i want to walk in seven okay okay

00:30:18.220 let's lock in seven it has a nice sound to it well i mean i'm this is i have a benefit i'm

00:30:24.240 already benefiting from the jet lag i know so i start locking in seven now i mean okay i've been

00:30:29.860 home for a week still okay seven a.m i was on east coast time for how long a month what are we 0.98

00:30:35.200 gonna say a week to lock into no you gotta lock it oh my fucking god two weeks 7 a.m but okay 0.87

00:30:41.740 i'm not done building the day i have a genuine question though yeah there's different gradients 0.99

00:30:47.360 of tired right there's times where the alarm goes off and you go ah fuck and there's times 0.93

00:30:51.640 where you're like i can't right is that just me because of my lifestyle that like i'm always 0.98

00:30:57.920 amazed that people are really getting up in the morning because of course sometimes i have to

00:31:05.260 wake up early we all do well right but then when i do i'm like well yeah it's like i pretend that

00:31:11.420 i'm a morning news anchor usually that's really good people need you i go imagine the honor

00:31:17.160 imagine the honor of going they wake up to watch me yeah yeah they wake up to me if i'm not there 0.97

00:31:23.380 how can they get up it's actually you could be fuck sometimes i get like tears okay like when 0.96

00:31:29.140 some idea like just like moves me in this way us doing morning news for one year we've talked 0.98

00:31:35.120 i know i know before yeah no no i've talked about us's morning daily show because on news

00:31:42.360 no i mean wait a wake-up show those like barely having hatch calling hatch 200k

00:31:48.640 i was picturing us in studio okay we're driving we got a coffee hey kate yeah okay morning news

00:31:55.880 show one year local la news be so fucking cool public access morning ideas so okay so you've

00:32:08.160 got my schedule for me but it's not done okay because we have to really think about this so 0.56

00:32:12.100 because this is now we've actually effortlessly slipped into something called i'm serious about

00:32:16.860 committing to this for two weeks. I know you are called the unschedule. Okay. We've actually,

00:32:21.560 did you make that up? No, it's from a book called The Now Habit. I've brought it up before

00:32:26.280 and it was like time management, whatever in general and procrastination and blah, blah.

00:32:32.300 And like these people that have, you know, they're working on their like dissertation or whatever,

00:32:37.020 and they have all day to work on it and they're not making any progress. Right.

00:32:40.000 so he has this thing instead of oh every day is blocked off no that's the whole day is like i'm

00:32:47.920 gonna get work yeah he makes them sit there with a thing and i have like the sheet downloaded

00:32:53.080 with every 15 minutes is is a box okay like throughout the day like a you know every 15

00:32:58.580 minutes is like a line okay and you're going huh right okay okay you're going that sounds whatever

00:33:05.060 but it's actually not and here's why so let's just pretend these are like the the lines of the day 0.69

00:33:09.500 okay so we do what we're doing right now and i actually did this are you gonna die i probably

00:33:14.920 have told this story before look the light in my eye of telling you something and like the listeners

00:33:18.660 like heard it nine times yeah i tutored at the silver and learning center when i was living at

00:33:23.300 my my parents house post working at the ad agency right kind of bottomed out or whatever yeah i get

00:33:29.260 parents house whatever and it was like i'm gonna get a part-time job to get back into kind of like

00:33:33.800 the world yeah and like the first morning i actually like overslept and the guy called and

00:33:39.200 that the children are waiting. Okay. It was like on my parents' answering machine. The children

00:33:44.240 are waiting. Okay. It was so stressful. It raced over there. There was a Starbucks in the, um,

00:33:51.900 like right under the Sylvan. You stopped for a Starbucks? I probably did. I probably did.

00:33:56.560 Cause I go, I can't help anyone without that. Yeah. So, you know, and one of the things I

00:34:02.300 tutored there was SATs. Okay. Can you imagine? This I've talked about. You ready? Yeah. I know

00:34:11.280 I've talked about this on the pod. How I was like, I'll tutor verbal. I'm not tutoring math. I'm not

00:34:14.880 good at math or whatever. Right. I'm not like, like, I'm not one of those. Meanwhile, I ended

00:34:19.240 up being one of the best SAT math tutors. I ended up being one of the best SAT math tutors they'd

00:34:27.140 ever had okay because my self-esteem of comparative you know yeah is fucked right so anyway and i loved 0.97

00:34:34.960 it because i really i understood these fucking kids okay man i mean this teenager comes in this 0.96

00:34:39.420 is her sylvan or whatever you know and she's like it was really satisfying to me to the point where 0.97

00:34:44.240 at times i've thought of just like as a side project doing a quick verbal teach okay sorry

00:34:49.540 i'm laughing i'm laughing because i'm also just like imagine like if i have a kid but part of

00:34:53.740 The only reason I'll have a kid is if you sign on to really help.

00:34:58.880 I was like, Aunt Jacqueline, like, I was like, I was like.

00:35:01.680 And what am I helping with?

00:35:02.860 Like everything?

00:35:03.680 Like you're kind of like around.

00:35:08.520 But like, like.

00:35:09.340 And I get the benefits of, you know.

00:35:11.680 Of having my child in your life.

00:35:13.560 Yeah, I love.

00:35:14.180 But I get to go home at night.

00:35:15.540 Yeah, exactly, exactly.

00:35:17.140 No, you do.

00:35:18.340 Are you offering benefits?

00:35:19.760 No, you do.

00:35:20.480 i think you know i think you know you know i'm listening okay could be huge

00:35:28.680 no because also i'll tell you this about having kids thing really quickly i was talking to someone

00:35:36.740 about oh their kid is so amazing and da da da i was like okay i was like you're not about to say 0.67

00:35:40.900 what if you get a dud again no no no every time the kink conversation goes up your fear of like 0.55

00:35:48.820 them not being cool yeah i know it's not about cool i know what i didn't want to make it worse 0.85

00:35:53.560 i'm not cool is the safest thing to say all right okay okay but but but talking about this person

00:36:00.400 oh the kids are great and they go and it's a it's a wealthy person already and i go well yeah they

00:36:05.500 you know they've got cash to throw around and they go yeah and two sets of living healthy

00:36:10.300 grandparents oh and the siblings like the thing of you know the built-in of course which a lot of

00:36:16.740 like that's a huge help right and then yeah where's my village where's my village so

00:36:23.980 i'm looking at the tutor of my village it's funny though because like their villages

00:36:28.880 i'm still i'm picturing a mansion and you know what i mean it's like yeah no exactly

00:36:33.940 you know um i do think like you know while it's great to cut off ties with like abusive like

00:36:41.540 yes cut and run yeah if you have abusive family members but i also have long felt like

00:36:46.520 what are we doing with the whole new houses thing if you like my parents have a house why

00:36:50.540 don't i live there yeah totally oh of course um and then you know it all makes sense the fact that

00:36:56.820 everyone's supposed to like i know i never i'll never forget a woman openly kind of went like

00:37:02.740 that when she realized i didn't live with my parents meaning like like you could yeah or like

00:37:08.460 like they're older like i should be there like like but also kind of like well how do you live

00:37:12.720 across town from your parents there's a bedroom downstairs i was like it was like yeah it was

00:37:18.200 interesting i wonder if that's like if it's 80s 90s um when did that really take hold moving out 0.99

00:37:25.280 well it's very it's very you pushed it it's very whitey parents to to to whitey shit to be uh 0.98

00:37:32.340 dropping your parents fleeing no right i mean living elsewhere yeah but it's 0.99

00:37:38.580 dropping your parents okay that's about enough out of you yeah and then maybe there's some of that

00:37:44.700 pushing the kids out you know they want it too they go i planned for this time i've never bought

00:37:50.580 that but i guess i don't know some people have them young so they can still travel after and then

00:37:57.320 i got i got news for you i'll be a child till i'm 60 yeah yeah of course well way past 60

00:38:03.580 no I mean like I'll be like a burden yeah emotionally yeah yeah totally totally there's

00:38:10.240 not some 50s mindset of like I don't know you become a man so so okay back to my day back to

00:38:18.520 my new life I'm really excited my new life and listen and Jacqueline Jacqueline Jacqueline imagine

00:38:22.480 this imagine this 7 a.m waking up and we're not gonna be on our phones but somehow we're gonna

00:38:28.620 connect that phone where we're going to be like kate good morning kate back to gm sacred phone

00:38:33.620 only gm it's back to gm i had to scold kate not really but i go gm does not come with an

00:38:39.260 exclamation point because it was like a hostile gm for those who don't know for those who don't

00:38:44.060 know jacqueline and i did this start on gmail on gchat so it actually precedes you still chat on

00:38:50.580 gmail okay it's over i don't know okay i don't like hearing about that i know but but fans of

00:38:56.500 my book okay fans of my book it's like because in my book about depression i talk about me and

00:39:02.480 my friend deirdre yeah okay like being like depressed yeah and so and so like us being

00:39:09.800 like that together it was like all we could handle basically was like this like small little gms back

00:39:15.480 and forth okay and then having the other depressed friend yeah yeah where the two of you were like

00:39:20.220 so non-stressful like it's the lowest right but so you text you but then it becomes part of

00:39:25.540 you know, and you rightfully, so whatever.

00:39:28.380 I just wanted to, you know what I mean?

00:39:29.720 No, of course.

00:39:30.440 But yes, but GM, and then it sort of becomes a bigger thing.

00:39:34.040 One morning I texted Jacqueline, GM exclamation point,

00:39:36.680 and she was like, no, no, no.

00:39:38.020 It was like a couple weeks ago.

00:39:39.160 I was like, right?

00:39:40.660 You're like, GM is lowercase, and there's no exclamation point.

00:39:46.280 Because I felt like it was kind of like, hello.

00:39:48.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:50.060 But imagine 7 a.m. GM.

00:39:52.720 It can't be on this.

00:39:53.580 Sorry, I just.

00:39:54.200 Light phone. 0.99

00:39:54.660 they can't be on this fucking shit it's a different fucking i just got i just got your 1.00

00:39:58.120 sephora order last night i placed a panicked this is what's actually so fucked up through the 1.00

00:40:02.880 no bitch i'm so stupid i have my own ability you could get a little cut back from your own purchase 0.97

00:40:09.280 it's so depressing but but i also did a thing where sephora springs sale 20 off i go okay well 0.99

00:40:15.480 i'm probably making money buying things then and then i go where do i enter the promo code there

00:40:21.180 It wasn't a place to enter the promo code.

00:40:23.060 I swear to God, there wasn't.

00:40:24.120 No, right.

00:40:24.540 The link did it for you, right?

00:40:26.660 I don't think that's what...

00:40:28.000 When the link does it for you, it's like kind of like...

00:40:30.060 It creates confusion.

00:40:30.540 Because I go, I've been screwed.

00:40:32.600 Bought it anyway. 0.72

00:40:33.880 And you didn't see like...

00:40:34.820 But it had to be included.

00:40:35.480 You didn't dig around in those...

00:40:36.640 I dug around and I go...

00:40:37.740 Isn't it interesting how money, right?

00:40:40.600 Right justified.

00:40:42.100 Wait, what?

00:40:42.900 Money what?

00:40:44.360 Like money and matters of money.

00:40:46.100 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:46.920 Tallies. 1.00

00:40:47.300 Yeah.

00:40:47.940 Line sheet, whatever.

00:40:48.900 you know your own uh checking a checkbook the money is all the way to the right right justified

00:40:55.200 like you know like like left justified center or right you know like text click on it formatting

00:41:00.700 something right money is right hand column yeah i mean at least in that's how you about when i was

00:41:06.580 i wonder if it's that way in cultures that this yeah who knows but point is isn't it weird how

00:41:13.640 does that not affect you there's something specific it's neurological does feel centered

00:41:18.400 would make more sense centered would feel more like the way about when i got the spine of money

00:41:22.540 i don't do this i went to a restaurant around on us rounded drinks and then they included the round

00:41:27.320 in the bill and i go oh my god i have to tell them wait wait they offered a free round they

00:41:32.480 go free round i go unbelievable thank you it's on the bill now they'd said free or they said

00:41:38.340 round on us or they go round on us and i go great great that's so nice they included the round and

00:41:43.540 i and maybe someone else would go i'm just gonna pay i go it doesn't sit right with me i want the

00:41:47.580 free drinks and i and i i said you know i had my hand on my heart i go this is so embarrassing

00:41:53.420 because it is i go this is so embarrassing i'm only saying this because you know but i don't 0.90

00:41:58.460 but i i'm only saying because i just don't don't want to fucking pay it but it says here and the 0.90

00:42:04.400 server was said oh my god that's such a mistake i'm so sorry thank you for telling me so it's 0.91

00:42:08.420 worth it it's what i'm trying to say they're not thinking you know they're not this was the server

00:42:11.940 the one who like gave the free drinks he was like he was there when the him was coming through him

00:42:17.960 right there when the big dog was next and i go big mama's not gonna like this if i paid for my

00:42:22.900 drinks you threw that in after no no that was private i think that would have been acceptably

00:42:29.020 funny look in my eyes i'm really excited i know you are but here's what keeps happening

00:42:33.120 you're leaving me i'm still in the middle of creating your new life okay 7 a.m okay so i'm

00:42:38.420 trying to explain so lights out unscheduled okay you're flying ahead all right okay you can do this

00:42:44.940 part later okay you got me right now you see what i'm saying okay okay okay okay go my own sylvan

00:42:52.120 my own sylvan tutor hearing you say sylvan is like so funny okay so i went through with her and the

00:42:59.800 idea is you build and you build it instead of the whole day i have to work or whatever okay

00:43:04.640 because it's really important i got to do that work so i got to clear the whole day for it

00:43:07.780 which by the way there is no such thing as a clear day okay building everything that's 0.51

00:43:13.240 fucking real and i know i've brought this up before but i don't know that i finished 0.89

00:43:16.960 the sentiment okay so so for example is non-negotiable 0.96

00:43:21.380 okay so let's all right fine let's include that okay i don't know i'm not even i'm not

00:43:27.700 talking about that right that's part of my new life okay so 8 30 class to 9 30 you're not home

00:43:33.280 until 10 10 right okay i think is fair to say yeah which many would argue that's a luxurious 0.79

00:43:39.420 fucking 8 30 9 30 or you think you're home by how far is it well i guess it's 10 minutes in the car 0.80

00:43:45.760 it's eight minutes in the car but parking right chatting drop something you know parking meter 0.98

00:43:51.820 so so that is your movement okay so you're home at 10 okay god it's almost oh wait does it feel

00:44:00.880 like the day is flying away now no no okay you're going that's early yeah yeah so now you're at 10

00:44:05.260 now you're gonna be hungry again i imagine lunch is happening right so is it happening then probably

00:44:12.600 because you're gonna be so hungry yeah essentially you're having lunch then probably yeah yeah so

00:44:17.640 let's say so now this is when i see you whisking tahini okay yeah but here's here's the way i start

00:44:23.520 to i go it's almost not about like planning the rest of the day is creating stress right now

00:44:30.240 I think it's actually, I think it's actually, I can only take one thing at a time.

00:44:34.220 And my new big thing, the thing that will change, but the thing that will change everything,

00:44:38.400 the seven, eight wake up call into the, like, that's, that's the revolution.

00:44:42.460 I can't go beyond the revolution.

00:44:44.600 It's fine.

00:44:45.320 But can we just play an experiment?

00:44:46.760 You don't have to, you can, you can discard it after it's done.

00:44:49.060 Okay.

00:44:49.660 You can, you can tolerate the stress in the, in this thought experiment.

00:44:52.840 Okay.

00:44:53.080 Live on the pod.

00:44:53.960 Okay.

00:44:54.320 Okay.

00:44:54.600 So here's what I'm trying to point out.

00:44:56.300 This isn't about, I'm not saying like plan the lunch, whatever.

00:44:59.080 Okay.

00:44:59.840 So, like, with the student, it was like, are you going to watch TV?

00:45:03.960 In my workout clothes, I'm scrambling eggs.

00:45:06.040 Okay, great.

00:45:07.000 So, luxuriously, 10 to 11?

00:45:11.640 Yeah, I'd say it.

00:45:12.460 Sure.

00:45:12.820 It's very luxurious.

00:45:13.880 So now you go, all right, do you need a stroll?

00:45:17.320 Then I shower.

00:45:18.460 Oh, yeah, I need a stroll.

00:45:19.580 Okay, so let's say your stroll is 11 to 12, right?

00:45:22.080 A stroll right again?

00:45:23.920 I almost go afternoon stroll.

00:45:25.540 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:45:26.200 So you had your lunch.

00:45:27.140 you don't pig out and need a nap or a stroll no so you with your portions okay are able to then

00:45:35.080 now this is when it's okay your what your first call is 12 12 30 hard to believe i'm probably

00:45:43.560 you know answering uh no well here's the question why right god why why because what's going to

00:45:50.780 happen right here's here's the the fear the fear is like literally is it is it acting i feel like

00:45:56.700 it's acting in roles this idea like you could miss the offer in the morning for the last minute

00:46:01.700 audition so that comes by no so that's all been dispelled right like there's nothing what's

00:46:07.440 actually urgent so that's that's the thing where you know that's the that's the thing i mean you

00:46:12.680 know i'm like if you checked your email once a day and and oh good no offers still no offers

00:46:19.920 exactly exactly okay yeah like i know no the idea though it's really funny because there is the idea

00:46:24.840 like i gotta be available yeah i gotta be available yeah but it's not true and also if

00:46:30.680 they find you they find you if it was that bad if something was like the actress in the movie

00:46:36.400 has fallen into a well and she screams only kate berlin yeah can replace okay no no you'd still

00:46:42.780 and they would break through on you can you know you could even they'd text forget email that we

00:46:50.840 actually need to know of course of course you know so anyway but let's just say because you

00:46:55.860 know it's kind of interesting and i know you're going to think it's impossible imagine i've

00:47:00.720 thought about this certain days or certain times are the permanent avails for i mean we know what

00:47:07.140 i'm for meetings calls whatever sunday which you know yeah because you know in this business you're

00:47:12.280 working every day right you're always Sunday truly offline blackout yeah and people just they

00:47:23.120 start getting used to it you lock it in now Sunday it's not like you can't reach me but

00:47:28.680 if you're trying to reach me on Sunday it might take me you might not hear from me till Monday

00:47:33.800 absolutely I'm surprised I don't get like much I'm always surprised a few emails there are on

00:47:40.940 sunday i'm calling myself out because i'm like hey guys guys guys you might not hear from me

00:47:46.100 no i just want to scroll my phone do what i'm like i'm positioning it as like a thing of like

00:47:50.140 they're coming at me they're not it's me just like avoid the phone i just yeah brick the phone

00:47:55.460 brick um to have achieved a verb like that they achieved so i know the point with the but the

00:48:03.500 point about like this is actually what i'm trying to say is this is more about how to reverse the

00:48:08.940 mind about how to get the work done if you want to write for an hour a day so it's filling your

00:48:13.880 schedule and leave that's that's what the unschedule is you go two hours i watch four

00:48:17.840 hours of tell let's just pretend so i did this with the girl with the sat student she needs to

00:48:21.880 do her studying okay at some point and i go well let's look at your schedule when you do it you're

00:48:25.560 right and i'm like so you come what do you watch like three hours of tv four see what i'm saying

00:48:29.860 and she's like and i'm like let's put that in it's happening every night i love it i love it

00:48:34.620 And so instead of this, we have to, you have to change who you are, okay.

00:48:38.360 But to the student, you have to change who you are and, you know,

00:48:41.000 stop a lot of television and just find the 15 minute.

00:48:44.920 So, so you do all this stuff while I'm having dinner and I know I'm having

00:48:47.340 dinner. Okay. It's somewhere in here. And you know what?

00:48:49.980 I tend to end up spacing out on my phone for the, whatever you kind of build it

00:48:53.720 in and you sort of, then you see what's left and you go, Oh my God,

00:48:58.020 there's only like 10, 15 minute units really truly available for focused work.

00:49:03.340 and then you start going so you have your thing filled out and then you're like where can i sneak

00:49:07.920 it in i want to write today where can i sneak it in sorry i'm laughing again because you know this

00:49:12.440 is always sorry come back to having kids this is the whole thing right of like well it's great

00:49:17.640 because like it's no it's exactly it no exactly when the baby's when the baby's napping that's

00:49:23.540 when mommy writes no but but i listen i'm coming in really obnoxious here i am eight i worked out

00:49:30.540 at 8 30 a.m this morning but everyone can relax I've never done that before okay so it's not like

00:49:34.780 meaning I in the last month was able to do more focused work than I have in

00:49:40.400 years really take that in years oh and the only thing that I made as a rule yeah was hour

00:49:49.180 of true dojo yeah time yeah where there are some days I didn't do it yeah some days I can't today

00:49:57.320 it's too hard okay yeah but instead of the open-endedness this week this month today yeah

00:50:04.620 no no and then it's actually scary because when you sit down for the hour you actually do it you

00:50:10.960 have to actually face the work yeah you have to face an abstract so if you're just sitting there 0.98

00:50:14.880 so if so so you can you can bang your head against the fucking table or you can try to 0.98

00:50:19.140 write something well that was like i feel like my brother in high school had like it was like 1.00

00:50:22.720 an intervention one hour he had to do two hours of homework okay and he was allowed to whatever

00:50:26.920 Everybody had to sit in there and do it.

00:50:28.380 It was a lot.

00:50:28.700 There was a lot of work in high school, whatever.

00:50:30.380 One sometimes clawing at the walls.

00:50:31.340 But I remember Jeff's doing his two hours.

00:50:33.480 Yeah, I like that.

00:50:34.360 It's two hours.

00:50:34.980 No, and some days, because I was like.

00:50:36.960 Chris and I used to do 15s together, okay?

00:50:39.700 Yeah.

00:50:40.060 Where it was like set the timer.

00:50:41.780 Pomelo or whatever?

00:50:42.660 15.

00:50:43.120 Yeah, yeah, Pomodoro.

00:50:44.760 In California, it's a Pomelo timer.

00:50:48.320 And we would just like do a 15, do a 15, because it's like pretty manageable.

00:50:52.260 And sometimes you've got to go do a four.

00:50:54.100 I haven't announced it.

00:50:54.700 Four hour?

00:50:55.340 Okay. 0.99

00:50:55.580 and then the second you get motherfucking started well i i heard this and i think this is really the 0.98

00:51:02.380 truth and this is and i know we talk about a lot on the pod phone addiction fighting for my life 0.98

00:51:08.780 i used to be smart you know okay the point is neurologically they say it takes 20 minutes to

00:51:14.900 actually get into a focus state and anything that pulls you out a text a phone call whatever

00:51:21.620 it's not that you're in the focus you're brought out and then you're back in it takes another 20

00:51:27.100 minutes to get back in so every ping back to zero and that actually holds true and Jacqueline you

00:51:35.160 and I have talked about this my mind I have ideas the ADD about this where did I get and this isn't

00:51:41.040 an astronomical amount of work but three hours of solid focused work I did on the plane the other

00:51:46.320 day kate burr plant has found the truth it's you and me transatlantic well jacqueline because what

00:51:54.360 were you gonna say you were gonna book a flight to japan just to get the work done yeah and then

00:51:57.740 just come right or just back and forth from new york to la all the time okay it's incredible what

00:52:02.880 i can do on there although i had some wi-fi issues this time well that's the thing it was thank god 0.89

00:52:07.300 i was working offline and that also helped no texts no fucking internet i was gonna complain 0.76

00:52:14.600 to delta they didn't have my pad remember when i was paying um 45 a month for three years not 0.83

00:52:19.860 knowing i'd like accidentally sign up for the delta yeah yeah i was really pissed but i think

00:52:24.940 i was able to do the focus work because there are no distractions but also taking off and i was

00:52:28.840 texting you because there was a businessman next to me oh my god during taxing do i have him the

00:52:32.680 loudest the loudest conversation this is truly it was this volume well if i wasn't so worried

00:52:37.640 about seven million taxes then i'd be more flexible but frank frankly i yeah well alexis

00:52:42.860 isn't getting a bonus two million dollars if the wall if the washington post they print on the 0.82

00:52:47.840 cover the what this loud if they print on the cover the washington post that we got five percent 0.98

00:52:51.140 that's going to be i turned around and looked at his ass i look in his eyes like and did he catch 0.91

00:52:56.880 your gaze yeah because i have noticed that that men okay by the way i don't think anyone was on 0.99

00:53:01.800 the other feel more confident this is what i was going to say empty line in the other side because

00:53:05.080 i used to do empty it's ticket master on the other side or you know yeah yeah marry marry

00:53:09.260 man we're sorry yeah the fear that that that like for him that the the there is no dial tone i guess

00:53:16.080 because now you can just do that you can just right yeah but but but he did it and i looked at

00:53:20.240 my time stamps like 45 minutes no and he goes i'm not kind of arguing with the guy yep your

00:53:25.760 time stamps have reported to others i'm listening yeah yeah including me and i enjoyed it well i i 0.98

00:53:31.500 have this theory that men if they're also how fucking high is your fucking business if you're 0.98

00:53:37.500 doing that shit for everyone well yeah you know what i mean that's why it's like the louder the 0.99

00:53:42.180 louder well i told this i told the story before dreaming i've been dreaming i told my you remember 1.00

00:53:48.380 the girl on face time being like i got the part or whatever it was i was like oh right because

00:53:53.860 then that woman was the like she was like she was like she was like we're gonna call gersh in the

00:53:58.500 morning no i'm calling ted or whatever she was doing a big display oh then she goes i'm never

00:54:03.320 flying commercial again i was in first class a job was flying me i always have to say yes i know

00:54:08.400 but she was she was like oh i've never flying i wish we could pull up the files the files

00:54:13.560 meaning the podcast she said something so despicable like i'm never flying commercial 1.00

00:54:18.120 again like this is hell or something and she was so fucking vile wanted to rip the smile 1.00

00:54:23.320 that's interesting that's that's what um you get up there you know sick i know um you go 0.99

00:54:28.820 By the way, I bonded.

00:54:30.060 Well, I guess I'm going to have to change the spiritual tenor of first class from the front.

00:54:32.820 I bonded.

00:54:33.320 I know.

00:54:33.740 I bonded with a Delta flight attendant just now.

00:54:37.600 And literally, at one point, we're in the galley.

00:54:39.740 She goes, you know those days, it's just too hard.

00:54:42.020 Life feels too hard.

00:54:43.340 She goes, you know when just life feels too hard?

00:54:44.760 I go, I know.

00:54:46.360 Some days it really does.

00:54:46.960 Your feet are just floating on air.

00:54:48.500 And then she goes, I feel the chaos all around me.

00:54:50.240 No.

00:54:50.480 She goes, the world right now is too much chaos.

00:54:53.040 Are you hearing this?

00:54:54.600 In the galley.

00:54:55.640 In the back when you went for coffee?

00:54:56.660 In the back.

00:54:57.160 I'm going back to pee.

00:54:57.860 I love it back there.

00:54:58.500 And then she goes, I go back.

00:54:59.560 She goes, this one's occupied.

00:55:00.560 There's another one across the hallway.

00:55:01.780 You know what?

00:55:02.120 I'd love to stand for a few minutes.

00:55:04.640 And then she goes, yeah.

00:55:05.440 Oh, you said that. 0.97

00:55:05.860 And then she was getting snacks out of the thing.

00:55:07.840 And she goes, oh, it's too hard.

00:55:08.880 And she goes, you know, when it's just too hard, it just feels too hard.

00:55:11.460 And I go, I totally got it.

00:55:12.520 I go, I sure do. 0.80

00:55:13.860 And then she really wanted me to get more snacks because she was locked in with me.

00:55:16.980 She goes, please.

00:55:17.860 She goes, I can't look at these anymore.

00:55:20.500 No.

00:55:21.120 She goes, do you want more?

00:55:22.160 I can't.

00:55:22.380 And I go, I literally, I ate some cookies.

00:55:24.880 I didn't even want that.

00:55:25.560 I just want to make her happy.

00:55:27.380 I ate the shortbread with the chocolate in it. 0.99

00:55:29.500 They're fucking good. 0.99

00:55:30.060 I had the most delicious shortbread. 1.00

00:55:32.260 Shortbread, by the way?

00:55:33.240 And yeah.

00:55:33.940 Woo! 0.73

00:55:34.900 She wasn't vegan.

00:55:35.360 Chocolate chip cookie?

00:55:36.220 Okay, it was flight rules.

00:55:37.900 Oh.

00:55:38.640 Shortbread?

00:55:39.140 Good shortbread?

00:55:41.380 That is good.

00:55:41.940 No, I think it was, I don't know, but it was some kind of, oh no, because I was forced

00:55:44.780 to fly American because Delta, you're on notice.

00:55:47.280 Okay, no direct flights to Philly.

00:55:49.580 Really?

00:55:50.160 Yeah, it's a big city.

00:55:51.500 Liberty Bell's there.

00:55:52.680 You can't fly there from Los Angeles?

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01:01:58.740 And then I'm just closing the loop for the listener, okay? 0.98

01:02:03.120 So guess what? 0.97

01:02:04.200 literature kate you want to change your fucking life yeah in the morning reading i was doing it 0.98

01:02:09.340 for a couple months i stopped unreal try it in the morning i know reposition to the entire day 0.99

01:02:15.140 look at my journal i have a new sacred journal and i and by the way i have a new sacred journal

01:02:20.680 i have news for you is that wait this is amazing is that a engraved traveler's notebook this is

01:02:26.100 almost so personal that i have the urge not to share it that's fine put it away wait you look

01:02:29.880 Kate. This is amazing. At Cal Slada, by the way, this is my, this is my daily bag. I take this

01:02:35.700 everywhere. Okay. This is the snap. Okay. So I'm about to shock you. I'm about to shock you.

01:02:40.660 And I love traveling with it because also it folds so tiny. Yeah. And you know what? Look,

01:02:44.020 you have the snap undone too. Cause I sort of, to make a little. An extender. But, but look,

01:02:47.880 can you believe it? It carries fucking everything. I've put an entire, I've put a huge 0.99

01:02:51.400 kabocha squash in this before. It's the best bag. Congratulations. I thank you. I think.

01:02:56.100 and it doesn't get dirty like i have like it doesn't it retains its like pristine i think

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01:03:06.980 i even think i even think red's a neutral look i wore this in crossroads the other night we need 0.90

01:03:12.200 new pook hats do we have pook hats um they might be sold out holy shit i also brought this for you 0.83

01:03:17.260 because sometimes you get hungry towards the end okay and i go i don't want her like being like 0.75

01:03:20.880 crashing i'm hungry yeah i imagined you going like it's dirty i go you wash it and i go it's

01:03:25.360 floating in a brand new house lotter bag yeah yeah it's true okay so back to starbucks back

01:03:30.280 to starbucks i yeah so you're in philly you've left a hotel i'm dragging my suitcase i'm also

01:03:37.460 in my gray hooded tibby thing that i wear a lot tibby did they send well i borrowed these from

01:03:46.280 them in new york i sort of and i sort of keep them for like too long okay but they're act they're

01:03:53.380 very present on my social yeah when like i perform in them a lot so remember my freaking army green

01:04:00.700 blazer that i wear non-stop yeah that's them okay got it actually that should be renamed the jacqueline

01:04:06.180 yeah and it should come in several colors jacket that in navy you know what i'm going to talk to

01:04:12.880 them so jacket get it yeah the jacket j-a-q we know it's also interesting kate and jacqueline

01:04:21.000 cackling i know i bring it up every every six months okay something's there okay wait so you're

01:04:26.660 in starbucks so whatever i i go and i order my thing and it's very spacious starbucks and i'm

01:04:33.060 like hooded and i don't know how long it's gonna take i sit down i start on my phone order and

01:04:38.140 doing stuff no i've already ordered okay i order i go and i sit down and it probably sat there for

01:04:43.520 five minutes like i probably got absorbed in what i was doing on my phone and i'm kind of hunched

01:04:47.920 over yeah and just this guy comes over and i'm sorry ma'am if you could just buy something even

01:04:52.500 the smallest thing you know then you can sit but oh my order's over there okay it's like i'm not

01:05:01.860 yeah yeah yeah you know like trying to move in here yeah yeah i'm actually king yeah ordering

01:05:07.660 before yeah yeah i run this place yeah true anyway it's like i will decide that a series of things 0.85

01:05:14.900 are all like i can rationalize anything so let's see my hair looks like shit i'm like that's because 0.88

01:05:19.260 i'm fucking cool and i'm rock and roll yeah and i'm a goddamn road act yeah yeah and then let's 0.98

01:05:24.280 say okay i'm also carrying two totes and a suitcase you know well well so or whatever like 0.97

01:05:30.880 it's like but i will do like 10 of those in the same thing where i'm doing all of them at once

01:05:37.600 and i've rationalized them each individually and then there's a there's a gestalt of the whole

01:05:43.360 okay that creates something different even though i know how each piece got which is really true

01:05:48.680 about a lot of things signing off on the individual not knowing what larger pattern you've created my

01:05:54.580 god where i go i've seen someone with with messy hair look cool and it's like yeah the rest of

01:06:00.320 them was manicured i'm not saying that's even true just yes okay well point is local corner 0.95

01:06:07.480 on the show erwan of which i'm a member yeah 200 year pays for itself un-fucking-drinkable coffee 0.79

01:06:15.780 undrinkable matcha i never get coffee or matcha erwan i refuse because i've been 45 minutes it's 0.88

01:06:22.260 the weights not even if they had great coffee and matcha i would do the weight it's so bad so i was

01:06:27.820 in an emergency i needed coffee i go okay you know what i'm gonna get a cold brew at erwan i want

01:06:32.800 cold brew i ordered a small cold brew with oat milk something i take a sip i go it's literally

01:06:40.720 horse piss wow and i go i don't have time to go back in the line do a whole thing or something

01:06:45.680 cold brew is and then i take i take another sip grit there are coffee grounds i go i go like this 0.97

01:06:51.700 there's just grounds in the bottom there's grounds and i go you know what this actually isn't fucking 0.88

01:06:56.000 cool it's like eight dollars for this piss i wait so the line the line was moving i'm just gonna do 0.79

01:07:00.580 the guy go so sorry to do this I go um this cold brew has and I literally show him the bottom and

01:07:05.860 he's like oh my god I'm so sorry and I go could I get another one or do you think I should get

01:07:09.400 something else and he just is straight with me he goes I think you should get something else I

01:07:11.900 think it's the whole and I go that I go okay and let's get an Americano on ice whatever it also

01:07:17.140 wasn't good okay but so then today on the way here today on the way here I go I want a matcha

01:07:23.640 and I go let me like look up a new place or something I'm doing the time it's going to take

01:07:28.080 too long i'm going to be late and i was already at erwan so i go you know what i'm going to place

01:07:31.340 it to go i'm going to place the order here at erwan i'm going to give them a final chance to

01:07:34.800 do matcha right and i even asked for an extra shot in the iced matcha latte because i go because

01:07:39.800 there's nothing weaker than it's weak yeah there's nothing worse than it's being weak yeah it was

01:07:44.120 water it was just so bad and i could tell by the color of it i go what is this

01:07:48.320 it was jacqueline with tip everything twelve dollars twelve dollars for a small that's a

01:07:54.160 it was a small it was so bad so this is to air on corporate again i'm a member

01:07:58.180 i i give you everything why can't you make what what is this

01:08:03.100 no no i i'm only like reacting slow because i'm desperately trying to find

01:08:10.040 we received another email from poog's greatest fan the trucker our trucker that's an old one

01:08:16.100 i sent you no oh a new one new one okay this is huge okay he reached out live to say that he did

01:08:22.000 a delivery to erwan and he would only know about what it was so sweet thanks so here he is mason i

01:08:28.600 found it you ready yeah read march 3rd howdy i was driving through iowa friday night okay just

01:08:36.060 picture it okay my wife sent me a message honestly we almost should read the original

01:08:41.600 yeah i brought i sent it to you i mean although yeah i know read the original first here's the

01:08:46.060 original new listeners here's the original of our long haul truck driver oh you know broads and gay 0.61

01:08:52.840 guys yeah buzz off okay well yes but also we reach truckers okay i'm gonna start crying i just got 0.68

01:09:01.960 done driving 16 hours in wisconsin and i'm happy to finish today listening to poog your chemistry

01:09:06.680 is top-notch and i don't care what the topic is as long as you two are talking about it

01:09:10.500 easiest way to kill 60 miles every day trucker mason

01:09:14.400 okay we write back this is the best email we've received thank you mason wrote my pleasure i'm

01:09:23.880 here for all of your trucking curiosities we might just have to take you up on it which by the way

01:09:28.140 imagine our first guest okay and then let me find the new one because i don't know why i can't find

01:09:33.680 the old one are you ready howdy i was driving through iowa friday night my wife sent me a

01:09:37.960 message she says you need to listen to poog episode torn basil so i did imagine my surprise

01:09:42.780 when i heard my own words through your voices it got a little racy there for a sec but it's okay

01:09:47.740 par for the course i don't remember we must have been like right later that night still bemused i

01:09:55.300 was looking over my stops in california first one pallet of cheese goes to a prison in blythe on

01:10:00.940 monday then a few warehouses on tuesday fontana then what's this air one warehouse on wednesday

01:10:09.280 never in my life would i know what this place is but i've heard so much about it from you too

01:10:14.300 god damn we need to send him merch like immediately and then he goes probably more

01:10:18.200 likely to be kate than jacqueline based on what i'm hearing from summer 2024 vegan jacqueline 0.97

01:10:22.980 i have thoughts oh but the next time reading youtube okay but the next okay but he goes but

01:10:31.360 the next time you get something from erwan with a fancy cheese on it send your trucker had so

01:10:35.480 next time but the next time you get something from erwan with a fancy cheese on it

01:10:40.400 send your trucker hag some good vibes through the ether regards mason regards mason we need

01:10:49.140 mason merch and i also need we need regards comma mason merch also and we need yeah regards

01:10:54.300 and trucker and and and easiest way to kill 60 miles genius and i just got a notification my

01:11:00.260 tom ford shaded illuminate cream contour duo for buildable radiant finish has arrived retail price

01:11:07.540 85 dollars good girl and the only reason i bought it knowing i can return it that's the sephora 0.97

01:11:12.560 fucking promise. Wow. And no one takes it up. I could use it for half a year. No one takes them 0.98

01:11:20.200 up on that like quite like Caperland. I'll be there in the return. I'm thinking, have you been 0.99

01:11:24.620 served, and we're going to get going, but have you been served this woman whose shtick is like 0.99

01:11:30.400 how I use my portrait painting skills from college as a makeup artist or whatever? No, 0.99

01:11:35.540 but it's like underpainting and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's like the underpainting palette.

01:11:39.280 okay she's like blue because that on her skin reads more as shadow than like some bronzer 0.99

01:11:45.020 interesting right which can look muddy on her i want to formally get my colors done 1.00

01:11:49.820 kate where they put the fabrics who doesn't she do it on air we could hire someone to come here

01:11:54.980 and do it to us on air yes or we could go to the thing or it's never gonna happen yeah i mean

01:11:59.580 it could be very wicked no it could happen are you going to wake up at 7 a.m tomorrow

01:12:04.500 Yeah.

01:12:05.340 Do you really think so?

01:12:06.560 Let me think.

01:12:07.720 I'll do it.

01:12:09.260 I mean, I'll do it.

01:12:10.380 Now, it's going to be hard for me a couple days, you know, because there's an adjustment.

01:12:14.140 But even though I've been back a week, I was on East Coast time for a good, like, month and a half or something.

01:12:21.020 I have a huge announcement.

01:12:22.760 Sipping with the windows open.

01:12:24.980 You hear the morning birds, it wakes you up.

01:12:28.220 But the six is too early.

01:12:29.920 They'll have to sing over my hatch, which wakes me up with bird sounds.

01:12:35.200 And Boo wakes everyone up with his sounds.

01:12:37.520 So cute.

01:12:38.260 Screaming in the mornings.

01:12:39.560 I got it.

01:12:40.060 By the way, Boo, a fan I met, Emma, gave Boo a lamb, a little catnip lamb.

01:12:46.680 He went wild for it.

01:12:47.820 So cute.

01:12:48.460 So.

01:12:49.640 All right.

01:12:50.300 Well, this is Pooh. 0.97

01:12:51.560 Easy to kill 60 miles. 0.55

01:12:53.540 Love you. 0.99

01:12:54.140 Regards.

01:12:54.780 There's a whole line.

01:12:55.800 I know.

01:12:56.540 Mason, you and your family will get a cut.

01:12:58.980 We actually, Mason, reach out.

01:13:00.720 We're going to send you a free sweatshirt.

01:13:02.540 Okay, love you.

01:13:03.560 Love you.

01:13:07.100 That was POOG.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 21, 2026

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