Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Nothing is Over

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00:02:39.380 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:40.880 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:42.000 And this is Pug, an ongoing conversation about wellness

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00:02:53.900 Today's topic, loosely speaking, guillotine, sadaka, the same direction.

00:03:03.460 As a gag to myself, when we were planning this trip, I did look up Disney fatalities.

00:03:08.480 What did you see?

00:03:09.960 You know, they go by year and the whole thing.

00:03:11.680 And some of them are like, are Disney's clearly not to blame, you know?

00:03:16.680 Uh-huh.

00:03:17.400 Of course.

00:03:17.760 some like what would you see you see like like uh i mean it's you here's this you believe it's

00:03:27.040 gotten better this isn't like you know traction park of the of the 80s you know action park right 0.96

00:03:31.620 traction park whatever where i used to go had the greatest times of my absolute fucking life 0.75

00:03:35.960 at action park and that's what people die like every day to me a water park is absolute 0.89

00:03:40.080 the greatest experience the greatest human experience no other than theater of course

00:03:46.020 I've never been to a water park.

00:03:47.780 No.

00:03:48.360 Have you ever been on a water slide of any kind other than one that's small and goes

00:03:51.380 into a pool?

00:03:52.340 No. 1.00

00:03:52.820 Are you fucking serious? 1.00

00:03:54.300 So you've never soared on a mat? 1.00

00:03:56.260 No.

00:03:56.720 Here's what it is.

00:03:57.260 Like you go up to the top somehow, you get up there, you walk up a bunch of staircases.

00:04:00.880 Let me take you through.

00:04:01.780 Okay.

00:04:01.980 You're given a plastic mat. 0.82

00:04:03.500 It's disgusting. 0.79

00:04:04.460 It's swampy and spongy. 0.98

00:04:05.600 You don't care.

00:04:06.700 Okay.

00:04:07.480 Because of the experience you're about to have.

00:04:08.740 You land with the thing.

00:04:09.880 Guy goes like, he launches and then goes like, all right, you go.

00:04:13.000 You step up.

00:04:13.760 You either ride it on your stomach or on your back, on the mat.

00:04:17.080 You get into the thing and it's a half pipe type tube,

00:04:20.860 swirling, swirling, round and round, down S's, curves.

00:04:25.740 And it's like you're flying, except you're safe.

00:04:29.040 That does sound fun.

00:04:29.780 Because you're gliding on water.

00:04:31.620 It's like a slip and slide.

00:04:33.100 One of my long-term dreams, like one of my fantasies has always been

00:04:36.960 creating like a 10-minute water slide like that.

00:04:40.680 Have you ever done any alpine

00:04:43.460 Slides? Certainly not

00:04:45.940 Never been on a slide

00:04:46.900 Do you know what that even is? You're in the trees?

00:04:49.740 Outdoors? No

00:04:50.380 It's this thing that they would do at

00:04:52.820 Ski mountains

00:04:54.480 I don't like the thing that they have

00:04:56.660 Like the luxury high rise in Dubai or whatever

00:04:59.400 And they're like

00:05:00.480 Don't worry, it won't break

00:05:02.480 And it's like a glass

00:05:03.980 Bridge that you walk

00:05:06.480 Yeah, in order to

00:05:08.120 Marvel at the architect's oldness

00:05:09.860 Actually, would that be fun?

00:05:11.900 What, to walk on a glass floor?

00:05:13.840 Maybe that would be fun.

00:05:14.940 I mean, it'd be something.

00:05:16.660 Well, that's for sure.

00:05:19.600 But let's take it back to Alpine water slide.

00:05:23.180 Alpine slides are these things that ski resorts, mountains, like up in Vermont or wherever, like upstate New York or something like that.

00:05:32.300 And I assume they have them on the West Coast too.

00:05:34.140 a ski mountain during the summer months can't operate the ski so they want to figure out another

00:05:39.700 way to utilize i don't know the chairlift and and whatever so they would lay down these tracks made

00:05:45.680 of like concrete and you'd go up and you'd get in this little thing like a little cart i don't even

00:05:53.560 know what to call it like a seat okay with a go faster and a go slower like button on it and you

00:05:59.400 just ride down this concrete track swooping and swirling it was not safe at all okay yeah I once

00:06:09.620 went with a group of campers on like a camping trip where there was this long like bike ride

00:06:14.080 and we stopped at this place at one of these places that we go up and half the campers

00:06:18.580 that I was with it was like 12 people half ended the day with like massive you know skinning

00:06:26.720 you know like a skinned knee

00:06:29.560 but it's their whole leg 0.98

00:06:30.920 arms and forehead

00:06:32.320 fly off the track

00:06:36.160 and just

00:06:37.320 like

00:06:38.960 if my daughter was returned to me with that

00:06:41.560 yeah

00:06:41.900 I guess she'd be fine 1.00

00:06:44.100 you know you have to let them be skinned at camp 1.00

00:06:46.060 or whatever a little bit 0.99

00:06:46.940 that's the whole point

00:06:48.660 the point is you think these things are better

00:06:51.320 oh it's not the 80s whatever

00:06:52.620 but with every innovation comes new danger

00:06:55.960 I mean I was reading about

00:06:58.820 Whatever you're not yet into F1

00:07:01.040 But I was reading about

00:07:03.060 Maybe I'll watch tonight

00:07:03.580 Maybe I'll spark a J and watch tonight

00:07:06.400 Yes

00:07:07.440 Naked in my home alone

00:07:08.980 Yes

00:07:09.960 Okay you start

00:07:13.000 You start season one you'll get in you'll get hooked

00:07:14.780 It'll be a big thing

00:07:16.580 But I was reading about the disaster at Le Mans

00:07:18.740 In 1955

00:07:20.540 Wait are you ready for this?

00:07:22.480 Are you sitting down?

00:07:23.340 You know about the last year of Le Mans

00:07:24.640 my father was there

00:07:26.560 no no

00:07:30.540 was there

00:07:31.380 no

00:07:33.280 was

00:07:34.120 how old was he

00:07:35.580 young I mean he was born in 42

00:07:38.160 right so he was like 11

00:07:40.400 I heard about this my whole life

00:07:41.720 I heard about this my whole life that he was there

00:07:43.320 let me lay it down for the people

00:07:45.740 or do you want to

00:07:46.860 because he talked about it like it was a big deal 0.59

00:07:48.580 and I was just like what the hell are you talking about

00:07:50.400 and I eventually looked it up and was like 1.00

00:07:52.180 oh shit 0.96

00:07:53.180 i am in shock so watching f1 digging deeper you know there's no race this week so or next week 0.98

00:08:04.080 i get whatever there's a couple weeks off suddenly suddenly i'm going was he there

00:08:08.100 no okay no i really think he was will you like text your mother now yeah okay was dad at

00:08:16.240 no no by the way no no because listen to me listen to me i've seen a slide of photographs

00:08:22.620 he took when he was like a little boy and there was one that was like of that day or something

00:08:27.420 well that's insane what's it called leman and then m-a-n-s french okay i was spelling it okay

00:08:36.240 sorry i'm texting need to know for poo oh i had a thought about vim hof i wanted to share oh great

00:08:42.820 it's not much bring it out now i did a cold plunge at a friend's oh my god gorgeous cold

00:08:48.380 plunge yes and listen to me she told me she thinks I lasted 40 seconds my first time up to the neck

00:08:53.780 okay was breathing through it I had my hands and feet out was it colder than when we did cold

00:09:00.100 plunge at colder colder okay but guess what babe I think we should go back are you ready to the spa 0.99

00:09:07.460 yeah yeah I'm ready oh well I'll see you next week little girl when I pick your ass up funny 0.95

00:09:17.720 Anyhow, after I gave you the go-ahead to come by any single day, you come by once. 0.99

00:09:24.480 Okay.

00:09:24.940 Once in a week, though.

00:09:26.020 That's not, that's not, that's not.

00:09:29.060 I've been waiting.

00:09:31.340 Well, get ready because you're about to go to the spa.

00:09:35.560 Yeah.

00:09:36.120 I mean, I guess I have to think about it.

00:09:37.800 Like, I don't know.

00:09:38.660 Am I going to, maybe I'll mask in there.

00:09:40.200 I don't know.

00:09:40.700 We'll see.

00:09:41.440 But yes, I'm generally interested. 0.92

00:09:43.140 You're going to do a mask in the freaking steam room? 0.86

00:09:45.500 Why not? 0.95

00:09:46.100 But, I mean, yeah, that sounds bad.

00:09:48.360 I don't know, okay?

00:09:49.360 I haven't reconciled these two baths yet.

00:09:51.340 Well, here's the thing, Jacqueline.

00:09:52.740 We're going to look up, we're going to go when it's the least crowded possible.

00:09:56.360 Oh, but here's what I wanted to tell you, though, about the cold plunge.

00:10:00.060 Yeah.

00:10:01.680 So I was reading articles about it because I've started in the bath.

00:10:06.080 And they were saying, like, that you're not supposed to acclimate.

00:10:09.880 Like, the second you acclimate, you're no longer getting the benefits of, like, whatever chemicals being.

00:10:15.300 Well, acclimating.

00:10:16.100 would take a long you only a freak they're like saying like get out after like when as soon as

00:10:21.120 the shiver starts get out like warm up a little bit and then get back in versus like going numb

00:10:27.000 i had to breathe i was like i was i was having to think of like deep emotional things to stay

00:10:33.020 in well did i tell you about the woman the woman like i don't know it was like a reddit commenter

00:10:37.580 i have no clue but it was they were like the way that they get through it mentally they're like i

00:10:41.100 don't think of it as cold I think of it as pain and it actually is huge because if it's pain it's

00:10:48.400 not it's not that bad for pain that's cool it's like cold feels like something is very wrong and

00:10:55.520 unsafe cold emotional and I need to end it like this this is gonna I'm about to die and so it's

00:11:02.600 almost like thinking of it as light pain like no I'm completely safe but I was thinking about

00:11:07.340 Wim Hof and how weird it is

00:11:09.660 that like his name is Wim Hof

00:11:11.740 which sounds like

00:11:13.760 breathing

00:11:14.960 Wim Hof

00:11:16.860 Wim Hof

00:11:17.840 Is that his weird?

00:11:21.200 Did he give himself that name?

00:11:24.220 I don't know

00:11:25.120 His name is Jerry

00:11:27.160 Probably

00:11:28.940 What I was thinking is that it would be like

00:11:31.620 if this is like the stuff that consumes me

00:11:33.720 at times like standing in a hallway

00:11:35.420 if it'd be like if

00:11:37.380 the person who

00:11:38.800 if Lamaze

00:11:40.500 you know remember the Lamaze method

00:11:42.780 if their last name was

00:11:44.220 if someone's name was

00:11:48.120 if their name was he he ha

00:11:49.520 you see what I'm saying

00:11:51.640 and I was like

00:11:55.620 I gotta tell that to Kate

00:11:57.220 it's like

00:11:59.620 suspicious that his name is like

00:12:01.940 he he ha

00:12:02.500 yeah yeah

00:12:04.040 For those who don't know, Wim Hof is the man who truly popularized the cold plunge virally.

00:12:14.100 Well, I wanted to tell the listener, you know what I'm doing tonight, and I'm really excited.

00:12:19.100 I'm breaking open the Lima.

00:12:21.500 Or is it Lima?

00:12:23.180 That's a good question. 1.00

00:12:25.220 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:12:25.960 We got to get it right. 0.99

00:12:26.940 Lima pronunciation.

00:12:28.580 I mean, I don't know.

00:12:31.060 I'm

00:12:31.900 How to pronounce

00:12:34.880 Lima

00:12:35.360 And are you sure that's pronouncing the

00:12:39.420 The product

00:12:40.580 No

00:12:41.380 Because that sounds like a robot

00:12:42.620 Yeah

00:12:43.380 Who's just saying

00:12:44.340 I think it's Lima

00:12:45.320 To pronounce like a name or something

00:12:46.600 Lima is a Russian term

00:12:48.180 But I don't know what this is

00:12:50.660 It's Lima

00:12:53.300 Lima

00:12:53.700 Yeah

00:12:54.060 We have official confirmation it's Lima

00:12:56.080 So

00:12:56.840 Christmas

00:12:58.180 Came early or late

00:12:59.980 Depending on how

00:13:00.740 Can we just tell them what Le Mans is?

00:13:02.780 I'm so sorry, Jacqueline.

00:13:03.920 Go.

00:13:04.200 No, it's not an apology to me.

00:13:06.140 I'm exhausted by my own nice sighing sound.

00:13:09.020 Because Jacqueline, we're going from Le Mans to Lima.

00:13:14.840 No, to Lima.

00:13:15.820 Interesting.

00:13:16.820 From Le Mans to Lima.

00:13:19.140 Or is it Lima? 1.00

00:13:19.840 Fuck. 1.00

00:13:20.320 It's Lima. 1.00

00:13:21.040 Lima.

00:13:21.780 Le Mans to Lima to probably.

00:13:24.160 And I won't say where we're going next, but I won't lie if I tell you it has to do with lemons. 0.99

00:13:28.160 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:13:28.720 Limon, lemon, lemon. 0.99

00:13:30.040 Okay, so you talk about Le Mans and Le Mans, and I'm going to go to Le Mans.

00:13:33.880 And you're going to go to Burrow.com, scroll for shelves.

00:13:37.380 By the way, Jacqueline and I went to the Burrow in-house.

00:13:40.680 We sure did, Burrow house.

00:13:41.840 And let's just say, I have an index bookshelf coming in the mail for my office.

00:13:47.360 I'm so excited.

00:13:48.200 I got in there and said, hey, I too am looking, you know.

00:13:53.720 No, I got in the email and I said.

00:13:56.100 You have already received a generous.

00:13:57.760 Kate was only reminded of wanting these shelves because I was discussing my gorgeous index shelves on the podcast.

00:14:07.100 And, you know, anyway, the point is, I am overwhelmed by the options on their website.

00:14:13.420 And if I'm going to beg for something, what to beg for.

00:14:16.740 It's actually like, it's a problem.

00:14:18.680 I'm struggling with it.

00:14:19.480 um so Le Mans is a race in 1955 a car race I think it was like a marathon type race where

00:14:30.000 they go for like 24 hours or something and the race was not built for the speeds of the cars

00:14:35.840 that that see this is what exactly the thing you know it's it's the innovation and then the thing

00:14:40.120 doesn't catch up so the race the track was not designed for cars to go that speed one guy tried

00:14:47.380 the pit uh and he had these new brakes which were so fast that it really surprised the person behind

00:14:53.620 him whoa and so they pivoted and hit another car the point is a car went flying and it hurtled

00:15:03.680 and cartwheeled 300 feet through a crowd guillotining as it went there's no way my dad

00:15:10.620 was there i think he must have been to le mans in general and the picture i saw a photograph so

00:15:16.420 but maybe we'll keep going.

00:15:17.720 I don't know if my dad had been there

00:15:19.760 to see a race car guillotined 35 people.

00:15:22.320 I feel like that would have been more present

00:15:23.480 in my childhood as like a story.

00:15:25.320 No, well, that's what I'm wondering.

00:15:26.860 And then unless like you just like

00:15:28.900 your father was talking about it

00:15:30.440 and you were just on the borough site,

00:15:32.260 so to speak, okay?

00:15:33.980 And it just didn't hit.

00:15:34.720 I know, I'm on the borough site a lot. 1.00

00:15:36.560 It's fucking a serious disease 0.99

00:15:38.780 of which I need to come back. 0.99

00:15:40.120 Well, no, but I just want to say very clear.

00:15:42.780 When I go, can we just tell them about Lamont?

00:15:44.880 No, I-

00:15:45.380 Make no mistake. 0.88

00:15:46.420 dick i was not saying like you are i didn't feel that at all i didn't feel that at all i am reckoning 0.87

00:15:51.400 with my own i'm it's hard for me to not call my mother right now it's like i want to know so

00:15:54.860 desperately i know did because she didn't text she's at home i have her location so she's at

00:15:58.680 home red receipts she hasn't seen the text because i have her on red of course you have her on that

00:16:04.360 you put her she has she i like to know because i also sometimes get scared there's um i surveil

00:16:10.600 her sometimes i want to make sure she's home oh yeah sometimes i feel like the other night person

00:16:15.560 my phones like surveil you surveil me i love being surveilled by loved ones but it's like

00:16:20.260 you're like an audience i have cameras in my parents house and one night it was like i didn't

00:16:25.040 hear from my mom or something i knew she was going out for happy hour i was like hmm when you say you

00:16:28.820 have cameras in your they know they're there you installed yeah i forced yeah like security yeah

00:16:33.420 like you like had someone install them and then you well it's like monitor i yeah but it's it's

00:16:38.680 for in the house even in the bedroom yeah even in the freaking bedroom and the other night you

00:16:43.800 it was late 0.92

00:16:44.540 it was like 2am

00:16:45.260 and I hadn't heard

00:16:46.120 from my mom

00:16:46.720 only child

00:16:47.920 my brain starts to go

00:16:49.120 uh oh

00:16:49.380 I log in

00:16:51.280 and I watch

00:16:52.460 and I wait for

00:16:53.100 to see the cover

00:16:53.700 I wait to see the covers

00:16:54.940 rising and falling

00:16:55.760 I think it's a funny way

00:16:56.480 to make sure they're alive

00:16:57.480 no 1.00

00:16:58.040 and that is fucked up 0.99

00:17:00.460 first of all 1.00

00:17:01.200 your

00:17:01.500 your belief that

00:17:02.640 because you're an only child

00:17:03.960 of course

00:17:04.580 like

00:17:05.420 an only child

00:17:06.340 so I have cameras in there

00:17:07.900 that's not

00:17:10.100 inherent to only children

00:17:11.440 I think that's

00:17:12.220 of course

00:17:13.440 You know what I'm drinking

00:17:14.520 because I've become an absolute addict.

00:17:16.140 What?

00:17:16.940 Element.

00:17:17.560 Oh, I'm an addict too.

00:17:18.640 Like three a day.

00:17:19.440 That's a lot.

00:17:20.300 But here's what I think.

00:17:21.420 This is the big question with hydration.

00:17:23.560 You're sweating a lot though.

00:17:25.520 Yeah.

00:17:25.940 Isn't the whole point though

00:17:27.000 that it's like the element

00:17:30.020 in the proper dose with the water

00:17:33.800 means it's like perfectly hydrated?

00:17:36.420 Yeah.

00:17:37.200 Or no?

00:17:37.800 Like, can't you drink?

00:17:38.700 Like, I think I've looked on the website

00:17:40.280 and they're like,

00:17:40.700 yes you can drink it all day oh yeah it's definitely safe to drink i think it's safe

00:17:45.240 to drink a lot of it i'm also an addict to it what's your favorite flavor mine's raspberry

00:17:49.540 well i discovered a variety pack they must have sent us oh yeah citrus salt citrus salt habanero

00:17:58.460 limon habanero um oh wow my voice something went wrong what do i love watermelon's good

00:18:08.600 I guzzle it

00:18:10.280 do you ever have that thing

00:18:11.060 where you're guzzling it

00:18:11.980 and the guzzling takes over

00:18:13.540 yeah

00:18:14.900 when you're so thirsty

00:18:16.700 when you're thirsty

00:18:17.880 and suddenly

00:18:18.580 you start

00:18:19.140 you take three sips

00:18:19.940 and then you realize

00:18:20.700 how thirsty you are

00:18:21.440 it's like

00:18:22.100 I've had that happen

00:18:23.140 where it's pouring down

00:18:23.860 the sides of my face

00:18:24.860 it pours down the side

00:18:26.200 of my mouth

00:18:26.840 like

00:18:27.200 I do it during Tracy

00:18:28.740 okay I drink this whole thing

00:18:30.060 during Tracy

00:18:30.480 and hits the floor

00:18:31.020 okay yes

00:18:31.700 yes

00:18:32.100 it's a great feeling

00:18:32.860 when it's going down

00:18:33.520 the sides and then the neck

00:18:34.380 it's really animal

00:18:35.300 yeah

00:18:35.820 and then it's like

00:18:37.760 and it's like, and I'm like, I should stop, but like, I can't, it's beyond me now.

00:18:44.800 Like the first that takes over.

00:18:46.960 Yeah.

00:18:56.340 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:19:00.420 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:19:05.080 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune

00:19:09.580 It was hard to wrap your head around

00:19:10.820 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs

00:19:14.280 No, I am not your guru

00:19:17.840 And back then, I lied to my parents

00:19:20.660 I lied to police

00:19:21.920 I lied to everybody

00:19:23.060 There were years right where I could not say your name

00:19:26.040 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California

00:19:28.660 Interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists

00:19:31.600 Whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened

00:19:34.920 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:19:39.680 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95

00:19:42.600 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:19:45.620 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:19:46.940 This is The Red Weather.

00:19:49.920 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:19:57.680 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends.

00:20:00.740 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories.

00:20:07.500 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 0.96

00:20:14.500 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.99

00:20:17.080 I'm going to climb this.

00:20:19.800 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:20:21.560 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:20:25.660 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:20:28.120 Is badness hereditary?

00:20:30.180 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:20:32.300 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:20:35.120 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

00:20:38.040 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:20:39.760 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:20:42.800 I'm not too intimidated by her.

00:20:44.220 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:20:47.180 Listen to The Girlfriend Spotlight

00:20:48.980 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:20:51.520 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:20:53.520 I got you.

00:21:23.520 or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:21:27.020 Ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police?

00:21:31.020 Welcome to Boys and Girls,

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00:21:34.920 It's a full-on love triathlon.

00:21:37.520 A morning what-if, an evening maybe,

00:21:40.660 and a 3 p.m. chai with a could-this-please-be-the-one.

00:21:44.420 Because in the arranged marriage universe,

00:21:46.280 you're basically on a sushi conveyor belt,

00:21:48.320 and like raw fish, you've got a shelf life.

00:21:51.060 and the wild part

00:21:53.580 you're not just looking for someone you like

00:21:55.400 you're casting for a mythical hero

00:21:56.980 your entire family approves of

00:21:59.060 a saint, a demigod, a unicorn

00:22:01.540 I know because years ago

00:22:03.520 I sacrificed myself to this chaotic

00:22:05.760 soul-crushing tradition

00:22:07.020 hoping to find love the correct way

00:22:09.320 Boys and Girls is our absurd

00:22:11.600 cringy, heartfelt ride 1.00

00:22:13.240 through the highs and lows of the Indian arranged marriage

00:22:16.000 finally giving you the validation

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00:22:20.080 Listen to Boys and Girls starting February 19th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:22:50.080 Please, I want to go to Charlotte Tilbury with you at the Grove.

00:22:52.460 And so I go in, you know, there's a series of the shoe and it's not even that many.

00:22:57.840 There's infinite colors of that shoe.

00:22:59.440 Oh, John has Hoka's.

00:23:00.740 They're like, they have like thick soles.

00:23:03.000 Yeah.

00:23:03.740 And, you know, there's four on display and I ask about one of them and no, they don't have it.

00:23:08.760 They don't have it?

00:23:09.280 Not in that color or style.

00:23:12.220 And they bring out some stuff and I go, well, it's great to get my size. 0.99

00:23:16.720 Damn. 0.99

00:23:17.740 And, you know, home I go. 1.00

00:23:18.980 I just

00:23:19.680 it's boring

00:23:21.300 no I'm riveted

00:23:22.840 oh I saw

00:23:25.660 a Westman Atelier

00:23:26.980 pop up

00:23:28.540 that is

00:23:29.020 pricey

00:23:29.980 in a place that used to be

00:23:30.960 the Botter

00:23:31.560 there's a pop up

00:23:32.960 we saw an Easter Bunny

00:23:34.200 like lurking behind

00:23:36.240 the Westman Atelier

00:23:37.260 it wasn't lurking behind

00:23:40.340 he was sitting in a

00:23:41.380 Easter Bunny shed

00:23:42.700 but to me he lurked

00:23:43.740 because I didn't see him

00:23:44.760 and I had to be alerted

00:23:45.840 which is kind of disturbing

00:23:46.980 to go

00:23:47.740 there's the Easter Bunny

00:23:49.260 wait where

00:23:50.160 and be unable to locate him

00:23:52.160 when he's

00:23:53.440 in view

00:23:55.060 he's right there

00:23:58.820 and I

00:23:59.600 couldn't locate him

00:24:02.780 the Easter Bunny

00:24:03.680 in an Easter Bunny shed

00:24:04.820 you know what you

00:24:05.120 you know what you're reminding me

00:24:06.560 didn't you and I

00:24:07.800 was it you and I

00:24:08.440 I took Easter Bunny photos

00:24:09.600 at the Grove

00:24:10.120 was that with you 1.00

00:24:10.780 that was with you bitch 1.00

00:24:11.940 was that us 1.00

00:24:13.300 you've

00:24:15.000 contaminated a memory

00:24:16.020 expanded the memory

00:24:16.900 into something

00:24:17.720 I think it wasn't

00:24:18.440 was it Santa

00:24:18.940 it was Santa

00:24:19.680 no

00:24:20.140 it was

00:24:21.560 I mean you might have taken

00:24:22.380 I have to say

00:24:22.940 the Easter

00:24:23.600 Easter imagery

00:24:25.180 and all of that

00:24:25.840 you took spring images

00:24:27.280 with me

00:24:27.680 okay we took spring

00:24:28.440 at the Grove

00:24:28.880 really fun

00:24:30.020 like there was a

00:24:31.140 bench

00:24:31.760 and then they had these

00:24:32.820 things that were like

00:24:34.020 you know

00:24:34.880 what are they

00:24:35.900 water and cans

00:24:36.660 it was a display

00:24:37.280 it was a spring display

00:24:38.460 uh oh here it comes

00:24:39.400 want kids

00:24:39.860 want to hide eggs 0.99

00:24:40.400 for the kids

00:24:40.900 yeah well yeah

00:24:41.500 I've like

00:24:42.260 when it appears

00:24:43.280 like a kid

00:24:43.760 has moved into

00:24:44.480 the courtyard

00:24:46.380 I'm like

00:24:46.880 it was Christmas

00:24:47.580 I keep wanting to do

00:24:51.380 Christmas miracles for the neighbors

00:24:52.780 but then I don't want to begin

00:24:53.920 a tradition you can't break away from

00:24:56.400 just or like

00:24:58.020 I don't even want the conversation after

00:25:00.460 I just want to get in and get out

00:25:01.840 like Santa does frankly

00:25:03.420 let's just say you give a gift

00:25:06.400 that's why Santa does that

00:25:08.140 oh yeah

00:25:08.720 he doesn't want to talk

00:25:10.480 thank you Santa

00:25:12.400 I know

00:25:13.800 and by the way you know what he's also doing 0.69

00:25:16.280 you know what he's also doing get out i'm not doing it for that yeah well yeah it's sadaka 0.99

00:25:21.060 bitch i forget what that means again oh yeah sadaka is like the the jewish the jewish yeah 0.97

00:25:28.080 there's like different forms of sadaka it's like the highest form of sadaka is if you if you give 0.98

00:25:32.680 to someone and you don't know who you're giving to and they don't know who you are right like the 0.61

00:25:36.820 lowest form is like you know you fucking have your your name mounted on the on the inside of 0.97

00:25:41.600 The Met donated by the this family. 0.99

00:25:44.980 Nothing more genius, though.

00:25:46.380 Low class.

00:25:46.900 Wait, what?

00:25:47.440 Than Curb Your Enthusiasm, though.

00:25:49.060 The episode where Ted Danson and Larry David have both donated to this wing of whatever.

00:25:53.880 And they go in and it's the party for the whole thing.

00:25:55.720 They're the two donors.

00:25:57.700 And you see like this part of the wing donated by Anonymous.

00:26:02.080 And then this part of the wing donated by Larry David.

00:26:04.340 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:05.860 And everyone's like, it's Ted, it's Ted.

00:26:08.160 And they're like quietly like.

00:26:09.440 So funny.

00:26:10.340 Patting Ted on the shoulder.

00:26:11.000 Oh, by the way, I want to say something.

00:26:12.580 I had another conversation with you in my head, which was,

00:26:14.880 I realized the other day, Chris was like, the food disposal,

00:26:18.420 because he heard me listening to POOG,

00:26:19.820 the food disposal thing in the shower, wanting that.

00:26:21.940 He was like, that's in Seinfeld.

00:26:23.200 No way.

00:26:23.700 And I was like, oh, God, the listeners are going to think.

00:26:27.560 And then I started to defend myself in my head,

00:26:29.940 which is, this isn't the first time me and Larry David have had the same idea. 1.00

00:26:33.900 That's right, baby, because you're a goddamn genius. 0.98

00:26:37.220 Okay, the fake accidental text. 0.99

00:26:39.900 i also independently invented that wait what's wait is that in curve yeah it's um you know like

00:26:47.560 i've almost done that a couple times but like what if i just text them you know who i'm in love with

00:26:52.800 right oops i didn't mean that for you yeah i conceptual i'm pete i'm pete from um whatever

00:27:01.520 my favorite thing in madman we we reference madman a lot on this show i've noticed okay

00:27:05.660 But anyway, direct advertising, it was invented before me, but I arrived at the conclusion independently.

00:27:12.860 Fantastic, which I always think should be celebrated.

00:27:14.940 Absolutely. 1.00

00:27:15.520 Yeah, so I was like defending myself to the poop community going, this isn't the first time Larry David and I had the same idea. 1.00

00:27:20.840 I love it and it's okay. 1.00

00:27:22.640 You know what?

00:27:23.320 Okay, so ADD, whatever.

00:27:25.800 You know what my current thing is that's calling to me that I am struggling with?

00:27:30.120 What?

00:27:30.840 Resisting. 0.81

00:27:31.280 i want to there's a diy that i just can't stop researching which is what is it creating my own

00:27:38.120 sprung dance floors okay okay all you need is this is for like doing the the cardio dancing

00:27:47.760 sequences whatever okay someone came up with this you know they're really expensive or you get pool

00:27:54.280 noodles you know the foam and you slice them into these little donuts and you lay them and you glue

00:28:00.380 them to plywood or subfloors is a new thing i've learned and then you have a bouncy floor

00:28:06.100 and it could be a freestanding one like so people are like doing their tracy anderson

00:28:10.840 on these platforms they've made at home jesus that have bounced to it and by the way i signed

00:28:16.980 up for the free tracy 14-day trial right i forgot i don't think it's working for me

00:28:21.920 i only did it once and i need you to help me explain okay listen i did it once and you you

00:28:29.220 said you stopped after 20 minutes right yeah i couldn't it was half an hour but my like haunches

00:28:34.720 were like hurting i thought you were saying that was a positive like you know like it really got

00:28:38.580 in there no like like i had to stop because i was like this isn't just like oh it's like

00:28:42.580 burning this is like it wasn't muscular it was it felt like it just felt there's a difference

00:28:48.220 between burn and pain you know what i mean absolutely i'm just i'm looking to diagnose 0.99

00:28:53.780 when you say your haunches what do you mean the part where your legs connect to your ass 0.99

00:28:59.280 What's that? 1.00

00:29:00.020 In the back?

00:29:00.620 Yeah.

00:29:01.320 You mean the part everyone's always trying to work? 1.00

00:29:03.820 Damn. 0.99

00:29:04.300 Through exercise? 1.00

00:29:05.640 Oh, that part hurt.

00:29:08.600 Not like muscle?

00:29:09.640 Are you sure?

00:29:10.240 Yeah, I think it hurt in like the wrong way.

00:29:12.820 I mean, but what's there?

00:29:13.960 Like there is only muscle there.

00:29:16.220 I need to understand more.

00:29:17.820 I need to understand more.

00:29:19.160 I have to do it again to remember.

00:29:20.940 Yeah.

00:29:23.200 Okay, so from Le Mans, and my mom has not responded.

00:29:26.820 to Lima.

00:29:29.160 We have a huge announcement.

00:29:31.020 The Lima has landed.

00:29:32.580 Lima has gifted two of their extraordinary

00:29:35.780 at-home laser devices to us.

00:29:39.840 And when I tell you,

00:29:40.780 I almost, I moaned when I opened the,

00:29:42.880 you know, gorgeous packaging.

00:29:44.080 There's a hardbound book in there about skin.

00:29:46.800 A metal card.

00:29:47.720 There's a metal card, an authenticity card.

00:29:51.160 I mean...

00:29:51.720 Now, why are you so sold and advanced on it?

00:29:54.700 I mean, we're going to have a call with them as you, you know, we've agreed to.

00:29:59.300 Medical grade, LED treatment, and a fancy friend of mine swears by it.

00:30:05.500 And that's about all I need.

00:30:07.440 Yeah.

00:30:07.820 Yeah.

00:30:08.160 It's more than the LED though.

00:30:09.380 It has the infrared.

00:30:10.260 I'm not going to go down this path again.

00:30:11.560 You were bored senseless last time.

00:30:13.720 Okay.

00:30:14.460 But they are saying here, here it is.

00:30:17.000 Here's like photobiomodulation.

00:30:18.740 I just want to know you know how it compares to our other infrared slash red light device

00:30:24.860 no of course so with the with the limo what they say is three minutes a day for three months

00:30:29.900 every day yeah I saw that and that then then what then you reduce to maintenance and then you go

00:30:34.160 whoa yeah I've really got to unlock the jaw I could hear it on on poop like when I was listening

00:30:40.920 back like the tension last couple weeks like I'm like do you mean gua sha in the jaw I was there

00:30:48.320 gunning it that seems really aggressive it's not you can float it in as you'll recall oh right

00:30:54.740 right float it in you know what I mean just have a kiss yeah um just today I went to the grocery

00:31:00.680 store not to be confused with the market haven't been in a while I've been eating out yeah a lot 0.98

00:31:06.700 and then I thought let's fucking cook something you spoiled brat and I got a sack of lemons 0.92

00:31:13.940 Organic lemon's a sack of them for $3.99. 0.99

00:31:17.140 Not bad at all.

00:31:19.020 When a single organic lemon is $1.29 at Erewhon.

00:31:22.760 You were the one who told me never get produce at Erewhon. 1.00

00:31:25.720 It's a fucking joke. 0.99

00:31:26.580 Well, I don't do that because it's so expensive. 0.99

00:31:28.560 What?

00:31:28.900 They're like key infographic,

00:31:30.900 which things you actually need organic and which you don't.

00:31:33.340 The Dirty Dozen.

00:31:34.320 Oh, it's called the Dirty Dozen?

00:31:35.940 Yeah, of course.

00:31:36.400 What you absolutely have to do organic are blueberries,

00:31:40.340 strawberries apples strawberries and i think shockingly broccoli i think is okay to not get

00:31:47.480 organic onions are okay to not get organic mushrooms weirdly because you would think

00:31:51.880 well it's growing in the ground but um i recently sent my mother an infographic on organic because

00:31:57.720 my mother maddens me because she buys conventional she buys like conventional produce she buys like

00:32:02.420 the lettuce that they like dye green do you mean bagged lettuce because i i do too no she buys this 0.94

00:32:09.160 green giant little gem, which is like so beautiful, but it's like grown in poison, I assume.

00:32:15.920 I have a question. I'm struggling with an avocado ripeness issue.

00:32:20.380 You can buy avocado conventional. It doesn't need to be organic.

00:32:22.880 Right. That's the one. Yeah. I think I recall like Dr. Hyman saying that.

00:32:27.300 Yeah.

00:32:27.940 I'm having trouble getting it at the perfect ripeness.

00:32:30.340 I mean, of course.

00:32:30.880 Because what I'm noticing happen is, it feels soft. I open it up. The edge is green.

00:32:39.160 The rest of it's yellow.

00:32:40.240 Now, is that always the case?

00:32:42.240 I was staring at it last night going,

00:32:44.140 does it ever get green all the way to the center?

00:32:46.380 No.

00:32:47.160 It's always green on the outside,

00:32:48.900 more yellow towards the middle.

00:32:50.280 You're talking about the flesh of the avocado.

00:32:51.360 Yeah.

00:32:52.060 Yeah, it's green.

00:32:52.900 It gets green.

00:32:53.620 So what I'm experiencing is-

00:32:55.520 I guess the bottom's green.

00:32:56.680 Almost like browning parts.

00:32:58.260 There's browning.

00:32:59.220 As if it's not ripe,

00:33:00.560 yet it's already turning brown. 0.75

00:33:02.560 What the hell?

00:33:03.660 I'm so overwhelmed by the avocado stuff. 0.82

00:33:06.240 I can't explain it.

00:33:07.900 It's really like-

00:33:08.620 Really?

00:33:09.160 that yeah i can't explain it what i mean answering me or no i suddenly can't recall an avocado and

00:33:15.880 it's freaking me out yeah like what did because i eat an avocado essentially every day now do you

00:33:22.180 take a knife slice it you know sternum to ash okay open it up scoop out the the seed i don't scoop

00:33:31.440 no the seed i take a knife to it i hack it out the pit you mean like you kind of stab it and pull it 0.89

00:33:37.240 Yeah.

00:33:37.620 That's really interesting.

00:33:38.680 Not stab.

00:33:39.260 I go, 0.99

00:33:39.800 I like slam the knife into it.

00:33:42.640 And then it sort of flies into the sink

00:33:44.760 and then you retrieve it?

00:33:46.180 No,

00:33:46.480 then I,

00:33:46.860 with my hand,

00:33:47.480 rip the pit off the knife

00:33:48.540 in a focused way.

00:33:50.200 Wait,

00:33:50.420 so it is attached to the knife?

00:33:51.680 The pit,

00:33:52.060 yeah.

00:33:52.540 It actually gets stabbed by the knife?

00:33:54.660 Yeah.

00:33:55.320 Really interesting.

00:33:56.080 Is it in your hand,

00:33:56.880 in your left palm?

00:33:57.760 You're holding an avocado.

00:33:59.960 Okay,

00:34:00.400 so you hold an avocado

00:34:01.220 in the left of your hand

00:34:01.840 and you got a knife in your right.

00:34:03.000 And I have. 0.99

00:34:03.420 You slice it,

00:34:03.980 ask the sternum,

00:34:05.000 right?

00:34:05.560 First,

00:34:06.040 You take a half off, right?

00:34:07.840 Yes, to reveal the pit.

00:34:09.960 Okay, you set that down.

00:34:12.280 Imagine you set that down.

00:34:13.480 You're holding the one that still has the half

00:34:14.920 that still has the pit. 1.00

00:34:16.200 And you go, psycho, shower, stab. 1.00

00:34:20.360 No, no, not stab. 1.00

00:34:22.200 Okay, you spatula it. 0.99

00:34:24.700 Horizontal, horizontal.

00:34:27.080 Not psycho.

00:34:28.320 Okay, here's the exact what it is, actually.

00:34:30.560 Because you've used the word hack more than a few times.

00:34:33.100 When you look at imagery of people hacking coconuts,

00:34:35.900 you know and they go oh my god so you're doing as though you were slicing a piece of wood yes

00:34:41.160 you're hacking down on it and that's how it sort of sticks to it so it's not the pointy

00:34:46.160 that's really interesting and then you then you lift it up and then you with your thumb push it

00:34:52.040 off of the knife into the garbage push it off and then take it off with the hand okay now what

00:34:57.840 so glad you asked so what i've been doing and people aren't gonna like this lately because

00:35:03.720 I've been having avocado toast every morning.

00:35:05.800 I squeeze the top.

00:35:07.080 Right.

00:35:08.160 I literally squeeze it out.

00:35:09.280 Like it was a half a lemon.

00:35:10.820 Yeah, as if it's a lemon.

00:35:12.020 And I like that because it saves a knife.

00:35:14.500 Saves a knife?

00:35:15.240 You just used a knife.

00:35:16.320 I guess it doesn't really.

00:35:17.320 Yeah, you're right.

00:35:17.780 It doesn't save a knife.

00:35:18.420 But then I squeeze it out.

00:35:19.320 No, but I get it.

00:35:19.560 But then do you scrape the edges still?

00:35:22.060 A little bit.

00:35:22.520 Because when you squeeze it out, some is missed.

00:35:24.360 And do you do that with a knife?

00:35:24.960 Almost none.

00:35:25.680 Almost none.

00:35:26.600 I got to be honest.

00:35:27.200 Almost none.

00:35:27.600 Okay.

00:35:27.940 It really gets it out.

00:35:29.360 It really gets out that way.

00:35:30.660 And then lemon squeeze.

00:35:31.760 Lemon squeeze.

00:35:32.420 salt and pepper

00:35:33.220 lemon juice

00:35:34.300 Himalayan salt

00:35:35.580 right

00:35:35.820 pepper

00:35:36.840 and then you know what I do

00:35:37.720 glug of olive oil

00:35:39.140 sumac

00:35:40.000 mmm

00:35:41.340 mmm

00:35:42.160 this is Ryder Strong

00:35:52.160 and I have a new podcast

00:35:53.060 called The Red Weather

00:35:54.340 it was many

00:35:56.200 and many

00:35:56.940 a year ago

00:35:57.840 in a kingdom

00:35:58.660 by the sea

00:35:59.520 in 1995

00:36:00.860 my neighbor

00:36:01.840 and a trainer disappeared from a commune.

00:36:04.100 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:36:05.420 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:36:09.060 No, I am not your guru.

00:36:12.820 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:36:15.440 I lied to police.

00:36:16.740 I lied to everybody.

00:36:17.700 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:36:20.680 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:36:23.360 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:36:26.040 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:36:29.360 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:36:34.120 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.95

00:36:37.040 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:36:40.060 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:36:41.380 This is The Red Weather.

00:36:44.360 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:36:52.100 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends.

00:36:55.180 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories.

00:37:01.940 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 0.96

00:37:08.940 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.99

00:37:11.520 I'm going to climb this.

00:37:14.240 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:37:16.000 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:37:20.100 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:37:22.560 Is badness hereditary?

00:37:24.620 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:37:26.720 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:37:29.560 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

00:37:32.480 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:37:34.220 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

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00:39:44.520 and I saw, I was looking at the negatives,

00:39:47.240 holding them up to the light,

00:39:48.140 like you see in the movies.

00:39:50.440 Can you imagine, just hold that image for a second 0.99

00:39:52.400 of a woman straining against the sunlight

00:39:55.360 to look at the negatives her father took as a child.

00:39:58.480 And that, you know, it's like,

00:40:00.440 yeah, just take a second with that.

00:40:02.140 Take more than a second.

00:40:03.340 So I was looking at the negatives, you know,

00:40:05.340 trying to, as we all do,

00:40:07.220 trying to know our fathers,

00:40:08.340 trying to see what he saw, what he sees.

00:40:11.020 Yeah, and in Richard Jenkins' apartment.

00:40:14.520 Six feet under. Secret apartment.

00:40:16.580 Oh my God.

00:40:18.480 I mean, I could just break down.

00:40:21.060 I know.

00:40:22.740 So, okay. So I'm straining against the sunlight.

00:40:24.760 I'm looking at the negatives my father took as a child. 0.99

00:40:27.180 And I saw a fucking race car track and I see seats and I go, what is this? 0.98

00:40:33.600 And my dad was like, oh, that was at Le Mans. 0.99

00:40:36.660 So my, and he was like, my father was really obsessed with race car driving.

00:40:41.000 And I'm just going to also say, which was come up on the pod, 0.70

00:40:43.380 how fucking ripped we are from ancestry i don't know we think like there's still this human 0.97

00:40:49.840 fantasy about legacy i know this fantasy about legacy it is fucking gone it is wiped out we've 0.99

00:40:55.540 talked about this before 100 years new people yes my grandfather that is so my dad's how much 0.97

00:41:01.280 closer could that be grand i don't know this man i don't know this whole life his dna is running

00:41:07.020 through me my instincts are informed directly by his epigenetics let's get real i'm living out the

00:41:12.900 unlived life of of his mother it's like and here i am i don't know what this guy ate or read or was

00:41:19.240 into like it's absolutely devastating and i but then i have this kind of embarrassment what is

00:41:25.400 this but you know when people are like really obsessed with like their grandparents or like

00:41:30.640 ancestry like like well my great-great-grandfather milled corn yeah the uh orville like you know and

00:41:37.580 it's like there's something i've been running away so often in life we you know we over correct

00:41:44.780 right it's like i want to do that so i'm going to go so far in the opposite direction that i

00:41:48.880 annihilate myself it's like so i and sort of rejection of of like some perceived like thing

00:41:55.560 we don't want to do i can't explain it but the point is anyway my dad looking at these these

00:42:00.920 negatives and i'll just say like we can never know ourselves but that's a different topic okay

00:42:05.740 listen. So I was looking at the negatives and I was like, is this a race? And my dad was like,

00:42:10.320 yeah, we, we, my father was obsessed with race car driving and we went to Le Mans and he said

00:42:15.060 it as if I would know what that is. I'm like, what is that? And he's like, oh, it's the most

00:42:17.780 famous, you know, race car disaster thing in the, no, but in the world. And he's, so he was like,

00:42:25.020 I took that photo a year after the huge tragedy, which is so bizarre. I'm like,

00:42:29.820 your parents took you the year after this, like beheading, like a mass beheading by a race car.

00:42:34.620 Year after as in at the race the following year?

00:42:37.420 Yes.

00:42:37.620 Not like visiting the scene.

00:42:39.820 You know what I mean?

00:42:40.360 Like not on an off day.

00:42:41.980 At the race.

00:42:43.200 Active race.

00:42:44.360 Amazing.

00:42:45.360 I was looking at the back of heads in this photograph.

00:42:47.840 Oh.

00:42:48.400 Like it's a full stacked.

00:42:50.000 All of those people in the photograph are people who've shown up the year after.

00:42:54.180 Fascinating.

00:42:54.500 You got to ask a question.

00:42:56.060 Were the seats...

00:42:57.000 Half off?

00:42:57.860 Or double?

00:43:01.060 Okay.

00:43:01.940 Was it the most popular?

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.620 the death instinct um was it the most popular year there's ever been well you know it's interesting

00:43:09.580 I noticed like there's not enough like I was like oh I want to do a deep dive on Le Mans you know

00:43:13.920 and I go I read one article I see it's like a Wikipedia page or something and then I see like

00:43:18.980 oh YouTube video I press that and it's a guy like like there's the same photos I saw on the

00:43:24.520 Wikipedia page and then audio of like the Wikipedia page you know and there's like nothing yeah and

00:43:30.980 And it was just like, it starved for more details of the horror.

00:43:35.080 Yeah, as always.

00:43:36.700 I mean, truly like rabid for them, right?

00:43:39.760 Like when you're reading that.

00:43:40.720 How often do you return to 9-11 footage?

00:43:42.560 I feel like we've talked about this.

00:43:44.560 I feel like maybe once a year I go, give it to me again.

00:43:47.440 And I go on the YouTube.

00:43:48.640 I think we've talked about, we've covered 9-11 widely on the pod.

00:43:51.740 I don't seek that out much.

00:43:53.980 If it comes on, like some kind of documentary or something.

00:43:58.340 But, but the, you know, I mean, reading about tragedy, like just sort of goofy, you know, tragedy made by like man's attempts at entertainment, right? In like two generations back feels sort of not guilt free, but like, you know what I mean? Like people dying on an amusement park, like a hundred years ago, where there's no, um,

00:44:25.940 A single tear is falling. Do you see it?

00:44:28.340 oh just uh just from dryness in the air I can't explain it or no no I think it's like

00:44:35.360 no I think it's like I woke up with this feeling it's not bad but like I feel like

00:44:44.140 intensely emotional and like you know I just I have to say it's like so we have you know Emma

00:44:49.780 sitting in as a producer right and when I see the empathy on her face for your emotion okay

00:44:55.620 it's like a

00:44:57.620 utter curiosity to me

00:44:59.420 okay

00:44:59.740 yeah

00:45:00.240 and I consider myself

00:45:01.840 highly empathetic

00:45:03.060 you mean that

00:45:04.720 you see the tear

00:45:05.460 and you don't feel sad

00:45:06.480 and I don't feel sad

00:45:07.580 the tear by the way

00:45:08.220 this tear that just fell

00:45:09.220 wasn't sad

00:45:10.240 like she locks in instantly

00:45:11.740 these people like

00:45:12.580 I don't even know

00:45:13.640 I feel like I'm

00:45:14.860 misrepresenting myself

00:45:15.860 but it's like

00:45:16.560 what's the feeling

00:45:17.280 I see this

00:45:18.180 thing on her face

00:45:19.240 like oh no

00:45:19.840 and I'm like

00:45:20.180 I wouldn't even consider

00:45:21.500 being like

00:45:23.940 oh

00:45:25.340 like and maybe it's because I believe like okay in the presence of like emotion and this can be

00:45:35.760 a problem you know I must steady the ship I must remain level-headed so the other doesn't drown

00:45:41.200 but that's okay this this tear that just fell this is this is good stuff that's where that's

00:45:46.020 where perhaps you know the onlooker okay the empathetic person is hyper empathetic where

00:45:52.100 like I don't know

00:45:53.300 I don't know

00:45:53.720 sorry

00:45:53.980 this is just a psychological

00:45:54.840 but wait I have one more thing

00:45:56.080 to say about Le Mans

00:45:56.560 please

00:45:56.980 okay and then we'll get

00:45:57.840 so we can go freely

00:45:58.740 into the pool of your emotion

00:45:59.820 okay

00:46:00.280 so

00:46:01.300 so what I was trying to just say

00:46:04.940 is that there's something about

00:46:06.320 you know watching like

00:46:09.180 a World War I movie

00:46:10.920 it's like

00:46:13.700 you know retelling of

00:46:15.600 a couple soldiers death

00:46:16.760 there's something like safe

00:46:18.000 about going with it

00:46:19.280 because you know

00:46:19.960 they're already like

00:46:20.620 tucked away in God's hands

00:46:22.000 now okay so like like and the people involved you know like 9-11 footage it's like active

00:46:29.560 present suffering even though it's like 20 years ago in this way but like no people are still

00:46:34.300 yeah like anything like that I'm just talking about when I'm reading the article and my eyes

00:46:39.580 are scanning and when I see like the word guillotine when I see the word hurtling when I

00:46:44.060 see the word like 325 feet yeah it's like I'm you know digging through like a salad to get to the 0.59

00:46:51.520 cheese like it's like dopamine rush i don't know what the fuck's happening yeah he's like okay and

00:46:57.560 i'm like yes of course it's like yes no this is this is a fundamental psychological thing and i 0.89

00:47:02.580 don't even know that it's i'm not even applying a judgment to it it's just you shouldn't you know 0.89

00:47:07.180 i think it's like surely hardwired in a sense of like it's why we're obsessed with the holocaust

00:47:14.100 and like why some aren't though and that's an issue which is fascinating i guess the deniers

00:47:19.340 are you know if anything the most obsessed of all but like you know what they should do to keep

00:47:24.700 people's eyes on the road they should just have floating billboards of holocaust imagery yes of

00:47:30.620 the bodies piled well like the most like brutal so that to just keep your eyes up you need to

00:47:36.180 stamp it on the road itself yes i think i mean not the billboards no it's like if you want people to

00:47:43.260 look at something just put the most horrific images of human suffering in front of them and

00:47:49.040 they will not be able to look away yeah memory if you're building a memory palace you know like

00:47:53.740 yeah you know it's like idiosyncratic and you want to um use charged emotional imagery to help

00:48:01.000 remember what another tear this is what this is something yeah I think this was part I went to a

00:48:07.700 movie recently just generally I used to go to the movies constantly right yes I just had your

00:48:11.940 favorite whatever you had your favorite your bathroom stall I forgot I had my favorite stall

00:48:17.440 the arc line yeah god that's devastating eating popcorn is so yeah that's so sad anyway good

00:48:24.600 going to the movies used to be a part of my life and when I used to seek out those experiences

00:48:28.320 right and it's like that is something that COVID took away among other things and the other night

00:48:34.180 I was in a movie a long movie and it happened and I would I would suggest the listener go back to

00:48:39.900 movie theater epiphanies some of our best work on poop Jacqueline changed my life in that episode

00:48:44.880 with her brilliance i think about it constantly it's shocking and a.o scott needs to listen to

00:48:49.300 it but i have an image in my head what what did you say i said a.o scott needs to hear oh that's

00:48:54.860 what i thought you said and i was like i just heard a.o scott the legendary new york times

00:48:59.020 film critic who is quitting due to the fact that the film industry has completely collapsed and

00:49:02.920 there's no interesting movies left to write about essentially he doesn't have a job to even keep 0.96

00:49:06.680 um is essentially what is the truth and streaming and everything and we're so fucked and it's so 0.79

00:49:12.860 completely over it is so over i think it's not i think nothing's over art shall prevail always 0.87

00:49:18.500 find a new way nothing's over well i believe nothing's over so yeah nothing's over and god's

00:49:23.720 absolutely not finished and so we so i was thinking about god is absolutely not dead

00:49:28.880 although i think that was referencing um that was more about like post-modernism like

00:49:35.460 like a central thing idea wise that it all comes i would say god's not finished is a kanye line

00:49:40.700 I was just running back to

00:49:42.720 God's Not Finished is a Kanye lyric

00:49:44.560 and if you think that I'm unable to acknowledge

00:49:46.720 the importance and brilliance of Kanye West

00:49:48.540 then go ahead and just turn off the pod now

00:49:51.060 this culture is so

00:49:52.780 breathed of thought

00:49:54.160 listen I'm insufferable today

00:49:56.420 are you hearing me?

00:49:58.060 we're going to be shut down

00:49:59.040 everyone is loving it

00:50:01.120 do praises Kanye West lyric

00:50:03.020 I'm like absolutely 0.98

00:50:04.700 I want to go back to the Holocaust imagery on the road 1.00

00:50:07.520 but wait because you had something 0.94

00:50:09.420 Oh, no. I was just going to say I was in a movie. I hadn't had the experience for so long of sitting

00:50:13.240 in a movie for hours, right? And I was absorbed in the film, but then at one point it happened.

00:50:20.700 I was brought into myself. I had this reflection on my life. I had this reflection on something.

00:50:28.240 This is actually huge.

00:50:29.740 Huge. So again, again, again, I was watching a film that I was connected to deeply. I was

00:50:37.020 watching human drama play out on a screen. I was watching the face of an actor contain the human

00:50:44.080 experience and express it and metabolize it and give it form. And I went, oh my God, and had an

00:50:51.760 epiphany about my own life. And I was brought, and I was like, I mean, I almost had to do deep

00:50:58.960 breathing. I had to like calm myself down. The interiority. That experience can only happen in

00:51:04.280 there. And that is theater. That is it. And it was like, oh my God, right.

00:51:10.100 I'm like, my mind is going like, wait, but like on my side, on like a bedroom pillow I've brought

00:51:14.960 to the couch with one hand in my almond flour chips. I'm like, have I, you know, sitting in a

00:51:22.540 theater, okay. Being forced to experience your interiority while sitting up, dressed and in

00:51:32.260 public right yeah in darkness yet in darkness right i mean it's actually like so moving that

00:51:41.820 people would gather and fit and just like just face a single direction okay let's gather that

00:51:48.720 is a single direction okay and put themselves before something created by another okay give

00:51:55.680 themselves over and say, take me away or take me deeper, whatever. I will go. I mean, here's

00:52:03.340 another thing. Common term, willing suspension of disbelief. I'm crying at the very idea. Take

00:52:09.560 a minute of that. The willing suspension of disbelief. I will willfully suspend my disbelief

00:52:19.440 that that is

00:52:21.400 you know

00:52:21.960 that that is not a real 0.67

00:52:23.800 woman

00:52:24.640 experiencing

00:52:25.600 I mean like

00:52:26.440 you know it's also moving

00:52:27.540 like the people

00:52:28.220 like I think about sometimes

00:52:28.920 like that actors

00:52:29.800 whatever people

00:52:31.140 creating work

00:52:32.500 whatever

00:52:33.320 like also still

00:52:34.860 are able

00:52:35.420 and of course they are

00:52:36.660 to

00:52:37.520 like an actor still watches a movie

00:52:39.220 yeah

00:52:39.780 even there

00:52:40.600 they're still willing to suspend

00:52:41.840 anyway

00:52:42.740 but just yeah

00:52:43.340 willing suspension right

00:52:44.320 going yeah let's go with it

00:52:45.880 I mean to feel

00:52:47.760 see

00:52:48.440 here's the thing

00:52:49.440 the train coming at the audience that classic thing right and like everyone like diving and

00:52:53.880 ducking out of the way because they weren't used to the they weren't used to the medium

00:52:57.540 okay right yeah it's like yes you know like that's but that's like almost about that's not

00:53:05.140 like to follow along and care are you kidding to care about a character like winning the thing it

00:53:15.280 wants to win or something like a crowd erupting into applause because a fake character like

00:53:21.840 because it's modeled a version of humanity that's possible like yes it could go down that way it

00:53:27.560 doesn't matter that it hasn't because it you know myth is always happening myth is never

00:53:31.580 always happening would you say myth is always here okay there's a quote it is a myth is something 0.90

00:53:37.320 that never happened but it's always happening oh my there it is holy shit i know i think i've 0.92

00:53:43.700 mentioned it on Pooge six years ago. No, you haven't. I've never heard that uttered. And we 0.93

00:53:47.720 can only access ourselves through others. Sorry. Wait, through others? Yes. Okay. No, no, no.

00:53:54.580 Because I'm just going, is this Caperlamp pushing community again? Because I was like, 0.97

00:53:59.160 I was like waiting, like we can only experience ourselves through art or something. And I was

00:54:02.920 like. Others meaning a myth. Others meaning a film. Others meaning a relationship. A projection.

00:54:07.020 A person. A person in an orange sweater passing you on the street. What's their life? What is

00:54:13.280 the eye contact with them mean for me and for them you added in a for them sorry

00:54:18.180 like it came to you late it came to you late

00:54:21.960 well I used to feel this like this well whatever it's insufferable but like this morning like

00:54:31.740 that of the fact of living one's life and only one's life like that you like I thought about

00:54:40.460 this last night like like really having the thing where you return to the characters i'm sorry this

00:54:45.080 is like too art we try not to talk about it but like this like fantasy of like a night when i

00:54:49.380 return to my characters wait what do you mean they tell me the story oh you surrender you let

00:54:55.280 them talk you go yeah you go over to like you know your novel and like the whatever being being

00:54:59.580 deeply consumed in a created world in that way yeah and like whatever i hate this but whatever

00:55:08.200 I've lost the thread, but there was a feeling in high school

00:55:11.500 and then this feeling of me, of course,

00:55:13.920 like spiritual dollar signs, always looking for a solution,

00:55:16.540 always looking for pain-free.

00:55:18.160 No, no, no, the answer is art.

00:55:19.920 You know what I mean?

00:55:20.340 Yeah, of course.

00:55:21.480 But also, you know, the answer is art.

00:55:24.560 Yeah, of course, of course.

00:55:25.740 It was the answer.

00:55:26.460 Like for me, it was the answer.

00:55:27.440 Okay, that's it.

00:55:28.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:28.980 Great, yeah. 0.99

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00:55:33.540 No.

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Nothing is Over

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