Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Organs

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00:01:05.220 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.680 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.780 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.520 Two uncameable intellects.

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00:01:19.700 Today's topic, loosely speaking, innards, autopsies, popcorn love.

00:01:25.540 So the episode you're about to hear is our organs episode.

00:01:29.760 We started talking about something else and then we found our way onto organs because

00:01:35.920 I think we both have a fascination with the question of the interior of the body versus

00:01:41.200 the outside, the exterior.

00:01:43.580 The conversation, as it always does here in Poog, wandered into other areas, like for

00:01:48.080 example, into the fact that I shared a gynecologist with my mother for many years.

00:01:52.200 Shout out to George.

00:01:53.020 Missed you.

00:01:53.440 He retired recently.

00:01:54.360 yeah but we do we do focus around the around the organs in this so have fun enjoy the episode

00:01:59.920 i have a lot of questions about organs i'd like to raise to you

00:02:04.720 not that you'll necessarily have the answers but i'm curious what your

00:02:08.240 perceptions are it you know almost an exploration of our ignorance i love that i certainly don't go

00:02:16.360 towards much organ talk honestly when i'm looking for wellness because i always want stuff i'm

00:02:22.420 usually looking for metaphysical wellness type shit i don't come here for the organ stuff really

00:02:29.180 by the way by the way i'm sending my friend's mother a picture of the lipospheric vitamin c 0.98

00:02:35.840 that i swear by oh my god i bought the lipospheric vitamin b because you recommended it holy shit

00:02:41.960 guess who's not taking it a single time which one the vitamin c no i've i was taking that a bit

00:02:48.780 well the lapospheric vitamin c comes in like a what would you say the consistency is comes in

00:02:53.800 little packets horse cum is the consistency bright orange which is thank god it's like

00:03:00.560 just absolutely disgusting you chase it down in water now do you put it how do you squirt it in 0.91

00:03:07.160 your mouth absolutely not i have never been to war i don't do that i put it into water that's 0.76

00:03:13.720 why sorry i didn't mean chase i made the mistake i misspoke i dump it in a little water and then

00:03:19.960 i shoot it back so i don't taste it at all another question do you do it in a full-size glass

00:03:24.380 because it can absolutely not glad you asked i did it i do it in like two tablespoons of water

00:03:28.820 but what cup a regular size cup no a small cup okay you know what i've been using a tiny ramekin

00:03:35.520 that's crazy because i almost used a weird tiny jar this morning because it's like the taste isn't

00:03:42.380 horrible does your does the vitamin b one i can't remember does it have a different taste yeah it's

00:03:48.400 a little worse even if you can believe it how are you today well i actually am experiencing some

00:03:54.200 pain in a new area which is always immediately takes me to that i have six months to live

00:03:58.980 some tenderness above my right hip bone it hurts it came out of nowhere is it my it's not i've had

00:04:09.520 it's not my ovaries yeah i don't think i don't know any appendix can you believe how much we

00:04:14.220 just don't know about our bodies like all i have is my body all literally all i am made up of

00:04:19.400 is the flesh and the organs like it's it's it rules my every day my every moment it's it's

00:04:25.260 gonna kill me one day i don't know anything i don't know what's inside my own body like

00:04:29.640 like i'm pointing at this area like ow no i'm like where i don't i'm not even sure my stomach

00:04:35.080 truly no i and i only hesitate because i i want to like i i'm embarrassed to say like almost like

00:04:39.660 i have a bit because it's the fear that later you'd hear it you know what i mean and think i'm

00:04:43.760 and then i'm faking like the casual conversation you're famously hysterical bit i think about of

00:04:48.820 just bodies of how like all the information's in the face oh my god i forgot about that it's so

00:04:53.800 funny it's so that's wow that see it hurts but but specifically to what you were saying

00:05:00.180 okay and actually i'm gonna make a note so i don't forget um i'll make a note because it's

00:05:03.960 i go on my act honey so we might have competing acts oh yeah no but specifically what you're

00:05:09.800 saying okay is one of my about not knowing what's going on inside of your body is one of my

00:05:14.620 obsessions like my okay i wish that i could crack it open every day i would i would like one i'm

00:05:21.680 always trying to feel my organs through my skin but like the quote-unquote bit is we're in our

00:05:28.540 bodies right they're filled with organs and yet we're trapped via our eyes and our senses

00:05:35.460 on merely the outside of of this container okay if if our body's a house it's like we're in an

00:05:43.140 upper level staring out a window and we can't we can't turn around and look inside the house

00:05:48.580 we're staring out of the house okay and then and then like it's like hey want to see inside your

00:05:57.980 own house okay we'll send someone in with a camera like the fact that you can't turn your eyeballs

00:06:03.160 around and look inside like we have no access to you know it's great thank you it's crazy

00:06:13.120 it really is to say like here i am and even just to not have the knowledge like school should just

00:06:18.600 be about your body my god like how is there not like it's like oh i'm in the fifth grade so now

00:06:24.120 i understand like how is there not like i mean don't even get me started on the mystery of the 0.98

00:06:29.480 vagina and how the vagina is literally just like talk about a house you can't see i mean that's

00:06:34.680 the basement oh yeah that's facing and even the people that can see it they're like we don't 0.98

00:06:39.620 really want to see it or talk about it no nothing but a hand mirror all school should be is learning

00:06:45.600 about your organs like i can't believe here i am 33 years old basically 32 seeing as i just turned

00:06:54.360 33 and the year is deducted due to covid um so i'm 32 years old and i i don't even know where

00:07:02.800 this pain's coming from oh yeah i mean you know what i always wish relatedly that i could stick

00:07:07.640 my hands in okay and then sort of massage the um the track the digestive track okay like uh

00:07:16.820 like a sausage casing if you were trying to squeeze the sausage out of the casing but like

00:07:21.920 pushing it out like but i'm like i feel like it needs manual manipulation

00:07:27.240 you know like i want to do a whole episode on stomach massage oh yeah and i've gone over the

00:07:33.200 top with it with you're rolling around on a soccer ball small a child soccer ball laying on top of 1.00

00:07:39.560 it you're like oh i heard this like medical intuitive talking about how like most women

00:07:44.540 that's really all they need to cure the bloating what you know versus my ongoing prayers wait i

00:07:50.620 have something to say about your appendix possibly i'm not saying it wait i know you know this and i 0.98

00:07:55.020 don't it's lower right which is where you're hurting right or are you uh shit no let me let 0.90

00:07:59.720 me look up where by the way i know it's lower right every six months it's it's definitely lower 0.99

00:08:05.420 right well we're right abdomen oh god but do you know a couple things one okay fuck do you know 0.99

00:08:12.860 what the appendix is because and what appendicitis is you're gonna you're gonna lose your mind when 0.99

00:08:16.820 i tell you why is this about poop oh no i didn't mean that specifically although although it kind

00:08:22.600 of is i guess oh okay but it's one of these things it's um and like if i'm wrong i'm wrong

00:08:29.100 but i'm pretty sure i'm right okay if you look and you can look right now but if you look at a

00:08:33.800 model of the organs sorry it said that appendicitis the pain gets worse if you cough

00:08:39.380 wait yep well it's a positive yeah oh no wait i feel like though that the by the way if it's

00:08:48.000 appendicitis i go in i get a little surgery yeah i'm fine it's so not it's not yet appendicitis

00:08:56.400 OK, because I believe like people who are not in tune with their body and ignore all manner of pain, like like like I think you're really doubled over.

00:09:07.560 Well, that's the thing. I think if in like, you know, six hours, it's way worse.

00:09:12.000 But here's here's what I understand about the appendix. OK, much like an appendix in a book, an appended little section.

00:09:19.340 okay it's like attached basically and and if you if you google now the organs like which is also

00:09:25.800 one of my do you know i'm googling internal anatomy near constantly okay i'm just like what

00:09:32.300 does it look like inside my neck over here like because i'm massaging it and i'm just like i know

00:09:36.180 this is the sternocleidomastoid muscle okay whoa okay and we'll do it oh we're doing it we're

00:09:42.780 definitely gonna do a whole episode on trigger points um so the appendix is like this tiny

00:09:48.520 little tiny little room off of the hallway that is the the digestive tract i guess i can't what's

00:09:56.620 what is it large intestine small intestine i forget which one yeah but it's literally like

00:10:01.060 it looks like a little curl if you google it connects the large intestine to the small intestine

00:10:05.340 but and i think it might be near like the ileocele valve wow jacqueline yeah i think it's by that 0.98

00:10:10.780 valve there's like a tiny vestibule and basically i heard that appendicitis or red is like shit 0.98

00:10:18.320 get stuck in there stop like in fact oh well bitch we all know that must be me as the one 0.99

00:10:25.740 as the woman who never shits right although oh i don't i never hear people saying avoid 0.99

00:10:32.300 appendicitis like by making sure your digestion like i feel like it's very good point very good

00:10:37.820 point yeah i'm never once i don't have appendicitis no no absolutely not you jump to illnesses and

00:10:45.140 And I fanned the flames because I was so excited to give you the information

00:10:49.780 because I just think it's really funny that the appendix is not some interesting organ.

00:10:54.300 It's just like a little room.

00:10:55.680 It's like a little storage under the stairs kind of thing. 0.86

00:10:59.500 It's disgusting. 0.86

00:11:00.820 It's a hall closet from hell.

00:11:02.720 But I do think, because I had a friend who had a stomach, she was like, ow.

00:11:06.380 And then it was three days later and she went to the doctor and they were like,

00:11:09.620 oh, we need to completely operate on you this afternoon.

00:11:14.180 it was appendicitis will you this is an emergency google the thing about if you press down on it and

00:11:19.420 release does it hurt more well that i remember my dad always telling me that's when we feel better

00:11:23.920 okay appendicitis test appendicitis test quick test appendicitis pushing test or something

00:11:33.500 pain pressure most practitioners push on the lower left quadrant to see

00:11:39.620 or the patient what complaints of pain like what and i'm dizzy okay um testing my medical

00:11:47.720 intuition i don't feel like you have that i don't either i think it's just and that's the

00:11:53.820 that's the other thing it's so insane about having a body is that it just hurts sometimes

00:12:00.660 right like there are just pains and weird sensations like every now and then you're

00:12:05.620 gonna get dizzy or you're gonna like feel the like all this stuff and that's just normal right

00:12:10.800 right see i one of my pastimes is investigating any ailment even if it's not an ailment that is

00:12:17.500 a problem because i just want to know why so it's like you know how sounds the wood settling or

00:12:24.060 whatever the wood settling the pipes doing whatever they do and it's sort of like maybe it's almost

00:12:30.440 like that with the body but i always want to know because i'm like there's a there's a reason

00:12:34.540 and i'm curious so i'm like what's in it what's one of the ones i and i just yeah like this is

00:12:40.920 an actual like there's something going on here right it's not severe pain but there's something

00:12:45.380 going on and it's going on right there and so it's like you know and it could be all manner of

00:12:50.620 things but yeah i just you know i remember when i was a kid once in the doctor's office like a

00:12:55.880 basic physical and i tried to remember like oh what are the things that are bothering me because

00:13:00.100 I feel like you forget when you're actually there and I said yeah that like my eyebrow bone

00:13:04.640 basically kind of when I like pressed on it I mean and I don't mean like really it was just

00:13:09.460 like I noticed like my eyebrow bone there was like a place where it hurt and it felt like there was a

00:13:13.200 bump okay and and I hate this I was like so when I press on my eyebrow it hurts and he's like so

00:13:19.360 don't press on your eyebrow like literally I'm like you're a doctor how dare you yeah of course

00:13:24.860 how dare you give the like so don't press on it thing like I just I don't know like this down

00:13:30.160 home like 50s kind of wisdom yeah I just think is rude because I actually think like the whole

00:13:36.960 thing with the stigma the stigma of looking shit up on the internet and over researching and like

00:13:42.760 patients today you know they come in with a list of illnesses they think they had from WebMD WebMD 0.99

00:13:48.020 is the worst thing ever fuck you like literally yeah like how dare you how dare you be a gatekeeper 0.97

00:13:54.380 to knowledge and even more than a gatekeeper to knowledge, like insist that just that you're on 1.00

00:13:59.920 the cutting edge when I have no reason to believe you're on the cutting edge. Exactly. You come home

00:14:04.920 after a long day of tapping people on the knee with a rubber hammer. And I don't think you're

00:14:11.680 reading up in the medical journals at night. They certainly are. You're watching House just like all

00:14:17.100 of us. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we have to slip away for a commercial break. But don't

00:14:21.160 worry we'll be back this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather

00:14:31.040 it was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer

00:14:39.200 disappeared from a commune it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and

00:14:44.180 praying and drugs. No, I am not your guru. And back then I lied to my parents. I lied to police.

00:14:53.440 I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided to go back

00:14:58.220 to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:15:02.840 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they

00:15:07.700 obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for

00:15:12.120 30 years. I'll teach you

00:15:14.400 sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 1.00

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00:15:28.440 Now, back into the conversation.

00:15:30.620 I've never had a true doctor

00:15:32.220 that's like, that's my doctor.

00:15:34.640 Yeah. Except

00:15:35.620 post-pediatrician, I haven't had like a

00:15:38.180 doctor that's like, I'm like, this is my doctor.

00:15:40.400 You do. Don't you?

00:15:42.120 Don't you have like doctors that you love?

00:15:43.640 So tragically, my gynecologist, who I loved, retired and called me at the beginning of

00:15:48.640 COVID to break the news to me.

00:15:51.200 Yeah.

00:15:52.300 Love you, George.

00:15:53.260 And then I had this guy in Santa Monica who I love because he's available on weekends.

00:15:58.680 Wow.

00:15:59.320 Doesn't take my insurance.

00:16:00.340 So I don't go to him really unless it's something really urgent.

00:16:02.900 I once went to him because I was convinced there was a tampon inside me.

00:16:06.140 There, of course, was no tampon.

00:16:08.180 And they didn't even charge me.

00:16:09.380 Can't you touch your own cervix?

00:16:10.580 like aren't your fingers long enough to get your own cervix so listen i oh you thought it went 1.00

00:16:15.040 phobic and i was too phobic to like go inside go brooding around inside my vagina yeah yeah and i 0.99

00:16:20.040 was like looking in my vagina to be like that's a tampon and i made such a i like clowned so hard 0.99

00:16:27.880 for them in the office oh my god that they were like hey get out of here right they didn't charge 0.99

00:16:33.160 me oh and i like tap dance like i like tap dance backwards out of the no you can't clown your way 0.94

00:16:39.040 out of a bill i climbed my way out because they were like they were like she's so pathetic we're 0.96

00:16:43.820 not gonna charge her for like checking for a tampon we're not gonna charge her for the fact 0.87

00:16:48.020 that she's yeah but anyway but i had that doctor who i love because i'll call him and i've called

00:16:52.740 him so many times being worried about something and he's like you're fine or he's like but i like

00:16:57.060 it because he doesn't diminish my concern yeah he doesn't treat me like a hysterical woman in the

00:17:02.320 40s yeah you know he's not like take a quailoo darling yeah like he like or like stop resenting 0.95

00:17:08.160 your sister-in-law you know like yeah the secrets and your husband's cum yeah two tablespoons and 0.80

00:17:14.140 i was 18 day you know it's like no well i yeah i i always love the like you know i know we 0.75

00:17:20.660 discussed the like those huge like industrial um steam engine vibrators that were like medical 0.78

00:17:28.080 instruments yeah and they like they made them and then like i love like the verb masturbate as a um 0.95

00:17:35.020 whatever, transitive verb, like they masturbate you. Oh, Christ. Oh, Christ. There's something 0.99

00:17:42.480 also like terribly erotic about that. I mean, what kind of doctor are you picturing in that

00:17:48.480 scenario? A hot one or not even really? It's just the role. Unfortunately, no. Unfortunately,

00:17:55.020 I don't even see the face of the doctor. It's just the professional hierarchy.

00:17:59.720 right just in pure concept in pure abstraction wait wait but since you grew up around here do

00:18:07.560 you share doctors with your parents you know i'm saying is it like oh yeah well i was good i was

00:18:13.400 waiting to reveal my gynecologist was my mother's gynecologist that's very like you know like we're

00:18:19.400 like it's cozy everyone's yeah it's classically cozy i mean is there have you ever been like

00:18:26.400 does my vagina look like my mother's or or do you know fully no it's a really intimate question i 0.77

00:18:31.860 guess no i haven't but you know what i mean no of course like and does he remember them all 0.90

00:18:37.160 okay but also to be fair she went to him but he wasn't her gynecologist at the same time he was

00:18:42.000 mine right no but i expect him to remember every vaginal face well here's what i love i love the

00:18:47.520 like small talk on the how's your parents and da da da and like i know i went to elementary school

00:18:52.220 with his son so i get to ask about his son i know his wife's name and like do you call him george

00:18:57.940 or doctor whatever george i just imagine like in the store i would call to make an appointment

00:19:03.180 and kind of be like does george have anything i kind of like to really lean into that the family

00:19:08.660 friend i mean truly i was rocked when he retired i was so sad have you begun investigating well

00:19:15.660 here's what's funny so he was like there's somebody here and i always was like it's kind

00:19:20.160 of wild I don't have a woman gynecologist but he was like there's this guy here everyone loves him

00:19:25.740 you know you can just move right on over to him so I of course being myself have called him like

00:19:30.400 three times with vaginal concerns really there were nothing just being like I thought I had a

00:19:34.820 UTI for the first time yeah went on like a small antibiotic I think maybe I actually did and I

00:19:40.220 think he's gay oh so this is another man yeah but it but I was thrilled and I was because just the 1.00

00:19:46.700 way we were talking on the phone I was like this is crazy we're like laughing and you know like 0.76

00:19:51.160 wow he just seen he sounded gay and then the way we were hitting it off I was like well he's 0.62

00:19:55.800 officially gay because we're like hitting it off talking about my my UTI like I'm like okay what 0.77

00:20:01.700 would it be like for me in my mind without having met this guy to have a gay male gynecologist

00:20:09.520 like in my mind the male gynecologist who is straight might have some appreciation yeah okay 0.66

00:20:16.420 like but and that's what bothers me about the straight male performing on me oh yeah it's a 0.97

00:20:21.660 nightmare okay that he like he like has opinions about vaginas kind of like that that are personal 0.99

00:20:27.320 yeah now the gay doctor okay looking at me i'm just like is he disgusted right right right like 0.96

00:20:35.260 he's never like had like like he's never like loved the scent in his personal life you know 0.67

00:20:43.780 like like not only but it's like it's like it's like you're bad either way so then it's like there 0.66

00:20:48.640 is something like inherently perverse about a straight man becoming gynecologist yeah and i

00:20:54.080 feel like we're i mean is there not i'm sorry is there not i feel like we're all supposed to be

00:21:00.320 yeah like they're doctors on being like well it's medical exactly the straight male gynecologist 0.98

00:21:06.480 can't be like i love pussy and like i it honestly is great just to like see them all day and smell 0.98

00:21:13.620 them for centuries like do you know what i mean yeah like you can't say that you have to be like 0.99

00:21:19.460 it's just a piece of meat no yeah you know on the table and it's like i don't know i don't know i 1.00

00:21:26.300 don't know what i want because then you know there's also the thing if like vagina is being 1.00

00:21:33.000 looked at by someone with a vagina right right they can claim they love all kinds like they can 1.00

00:21:39.660 claim the neologans but like on some level are they like oh yeah like i think my vagina is better 1.00

00:21:44.160 than this one totally totally that's i know that's i mean of course these are psychotic and all the 0.97

00:21:49.820 doctors who are at a dinner party would assure us that it's not the case but then when we left the

00:21:55.600 party maybe they'd be like well i mean totally i mean that's why i feel like a lesbian gynecologist 1.00

00:22:01.480 is kind of great because yeah we would hope that she hasn't she doesn't just like hate her vagina 1.00

00:22:06.960 and all vaginas and the way that even as a yes someone who has a vagina but i've hated it for 1.00

00:22:14.660 years or you know what i mean just like but now no the pressure the pressure to love it at the 0.98

00:22:22.460 same time and be like it's beautiful like yeah you know is oppressive in its own way i mean

00:22:28.620 absolutely i'm like no it's tastes like rat poison sometimes yeah oh you know what's funny

00:22:34.960 about rat poison it's called rodenticide okay kind of like pesticide like you'll see it like

00:22:42.600 in the subways in new york there'd be these signs like right now caution rodenticide and i always

00:22:46.680 thought this was funny like the idea like that it's both it's the word in theory both for

00:22:51.260 the product and the murder itself like homicide rodenticide like you're committing rodenticide

00:22:59.520 oh the pain hurts when i laugh guys but that is definitely something that could be

00:23:03.600 uh muscle strain i mean that's why people love i think possible i did do ab workout yesterday

00:23:09.800 it's just don't you feel like it should be both sides then not to yeah it should be symmetrical

00:23:15.540 god damn it that's another weird thing about the body the fact that it's symmetrical i mean 0.60

00:23:20.880 basically oh that is so weird like it's kind of like goofy and embarrassing and then like 0.99

00:23:25.840 but then it's not completely symmetrical like the fact that the heart's a little bit over

00:23:30.820 how ew how is it a little bit over like it's really like how like why if it's like the power

00:23:37.900 center of the blood shouldn't it be dead center straight there yeah and if anything a little

00:23:43.340 straight in the middle i had this like big revelation where i was like wait are all the

00:23:49.780 organs held together literally just the way things in a very packed suitcase are

00:23:55.060 bless you something made me maybe was an autopsy okay and boy oh i love together like a tight

00:24:03.000 suitcase okay like like they're just kind of resting on each other and like sort of sort of

00:24:08.080 like held in place just by the fact that like the like you know heart isn't gonna it's just

00:24:13.620 kind of tight and so it's not gonna get like slipped down in front of them so scary they're

00:24:16.740 just stacked because for because for example like a hernia i think isn't that like when it's like

00:24:24.340 twisted i thought it was that it's bursting through the wall i mean it's like when they're

00:24:32.520 like yeah it's like a kink in the hose or whatever it's like oh no no no no this is a big one you're

00:24:37.840 gonna die so like another thing that fascinates me about the interior is like okay i'm pretty sure

00:24:42.860 i so have you ever seen like like in a horrifying like either like war movie or whatever basically

00:24:49.720 like the viscera okay like basically when the the endless tubes of the digestive tract are like

00:24:55.400 spilling out of the body okay yeah and i'm like looking at it and it's like those you know they're

00:25:01.880 like it's a mile long or whatever like it's of course not a mile but they're like did you know

00:25:05.760 the small intestine is one mile long it can reach from the moon um to the to the earth and back

00:25:12.620 a third um that's what they always say they're like if you unravel your intestine it goes to the

00:25:17.240 mean that and so it's like it's like okay but like literally like the discovery that i had

00:25:22.740 because i was like okay is it a spiral like is it spiraling is a spiraling tube you know like

00:25:27.620 what's the order and like somewhere maybe this was like i forget who told me this was like

00:25:32.080 no it's literally just the small intestine is just stuffed in there like the yarn that you didn't

00:25:37.940 wind up like it's just stuffed in there like and so like the soldiers it would be like the

00:25:42.300 Like on the triage

00:25:45.780 Civil war like they're spilling out and they just 0.96

00:25:47.980 Stuff them back in and sew them up 0.85

00:25:49.480 There's no order to the way that

00:25:52.440 That the small intestine

00:25:53.940 And that could be an absolute

00:25:56.020 Myth

00:25:57.380 Which is important to me 0.95

00:26:00.120 Myths on Poog are huge

00:26:01.440 Completely unrelated but

00:26:02.840 So the listeners understand Jacqueline and I are

00:26:06.020 Seeing each other right now on zoom we see each other

00:26:08.020 Yeah lately I've been having

00:26:09.920 Because of you know doing all these zooms

00:26:12.300 I keep having this paranoid urge to whoever I'm Zooming with, make sure they know my address

00:26:17.200 so that if a murderer comes in and starts killing me, that is so funny.

00:26:22.680 Or if I pass out out of frame, if I'm just like talking and I pass out, you're panicking.

00:26:28.120 Panicking and screaming.

00:26:29.180 Well, I watched a horror movie last night called Host.

00:26:31.320 But what if you had my address and you could just be like, she's there?

00:26:34.700 No, absolutely.

00:26:35.760 And I think I do have your address specifically.

00:26:38.040 But it's funny because like you never had that concern about like the phone.

00:26:41.860 Like you could be murdered while on the phone with someone and having the address would be useful.

00:26:46.120 But like, I know what you mean.

00:26:47.400 It's like up the chances.

00:26:48.720 Just, you know, you could just hang it behind you on like the wall behind you.

00:26:52.980 Just the.

00:26:54.000 Am I dizzy?

00:26:55.460 I can't tell if it's.

00:26:56.740 Hunger?

00:26:58.080 I can't tell if it's the fear of the appendicitis, the record breaking heat, the hunger.

00:27:04.300 I feel like you're fine.

00:27:05.580 Okay.

00:27:06.180 Even just hearing that helps.

00:27:08.060 Sorry to pull you out of the flow of this conversation.

00:27:10.880 but it is time for an ad break and kate and i will be in prayer during that time

00:27:15.100 welcome back to poob we're going to drop you right back in where were we do you like i love

00:27:24.920 and i've done this watched surgery like online or uh surgery or autopsies it's like

00:27:32.340 that's not my thing at all so so you don't want to know i do not want to watch surgeries

00:27:39.620 no no i'm just curious why i know that's normal i'm just like still curious to hear why like

00:27:45.120 your response is normal i don't like like dr pimple popper and that kind of thing like i'm

00:27:49.820 so not into that like i'm not into that i don't think of myself as squeamish but apparently i am

00:27:55.300 what this is revealing is that i am squeamish i don't enjoy i'm too much of a hypochondriac for

00:28:00.980 that i have too many concerns i just to me you know the the interior of the body is is is a

00:28:05.780 frontier and i'm annoyed the doctors and and the autopsy folks get to see it and like i would love

00:28:12.880 to just go in a room with a forensic whatever and just take out every organ like literally

00:28:18.880 oh my god unpack the body like i want to hold a liver let's get you in there i bet you could

00:28:23.900 shadow a surgeon let's get you in there shadowing a surgeon like as a civilian

00:28:29.280 oh you know what i think's funny about doctors

00:28:36.240 because actually when you said that i'm picturing you i'm actually picturing you

00:28:41.580 sort of like like dancing like like you know what i mean like like like shadowing them to a point

00:28:47.420 of extreme choreography like every move they make and also like no i would be like so excited i'd

00:28:53.560 bring grain bowls for the whole surgery team my one of my favorite shows of all time was dr bodden

00:28:58.600 on hbo he's like this major autopsy guy anyway he would do these like cold cases but sometimes he'd 0.92

00:29:06.380 dig out the bones and then i was watching some surgeries like i don't want pimple popping disgust

00:29:12.600 me the interior of the body pretty much doesn't disgust me like i don't know why it's like it's

00:29:18.700 almost like it seems clean to me like it's clean because it's never seen the outside world no it is

00:29:23.840 clean it's it's so clean maybe that's the ultimate horror how could something so clean be so obscene

00:29:29.580 so sally well i was like also i'm fascinated by i mean it becomes a metaphysical question

00:29:35.820 like that's me you know like like if you could look at your own liver and just be like where

00:29:43.920 is my soul the fact that like we only from the neck down experience the sense of of uh feel

00:29:51.260 that's like the bit i think you're referring to which is like the senses are crowded above the

00:29:56.880 neck literally everything and then from the neck down exactly from the neck down nothing but feel

00:30:03.360 from the neck down a sensate nothing but a sensate blob it's so can you believe it funny also it is

00:30:10.280 outrageous can you believe the feet don't have an orifice what do you mean okay so we got an orifice

00:30:15.460 at one end yeah meaning like the mouth the ears and eyes yeah we got an orifice at the middle point 0.99

00:30:20.640 yeah asshole yeah urethra etc you familiar yeah then head to the other end nothing it's true 0.99

00:30:27.400 it's a dead end down there it's also good it would be disgusting if like you know if there 0.99

00:30:32.080 was a hole on your foot dead center but like i don't know i'm just that's another thing my g

00:30:36.720 spots in the arch of my foot so i was thinking like and i'm really curious if you have any sort

00:30:44.340 of known misperceptions or like how you picture the interior of your body because obviously we

00:30:50.740 know basically the anatomy right but when you swallow okay and something's going down right

00:30:56.640 you have a visualization for that like if you're talking about like oh there's something stuck in

00:31:00.660 my throat i feel it like like you have something that comes to mind or when it's like oh that like

00:31:06.260 like you just ate that and it landed in your stomach i'm curious like what you're picturing 0.84

00:31:10.520 because i feel like some of my shit i got from the movie inner space which was with martin short 0.97

00:31:14.840 and and never seen it quaid goes inside the i can see the cover body he gets kind of small but he's 0.96

00:31:21.500 riding around in there and the stomach is like this pot of neon green acid bile i almost always

00:31:29.860 thought that was an exaggeration but i mean have you ever thrown up literal bile no shockingly okay

00:31:36.400 One time I did, and I was in Russia, and I ate some bacon-wrapped salmon or something, and became profoundly food-poisoned.

00:31:47.420 Missed my flight back to America.

00:31:49.740 Oh, my God.

00:31:50.920 Because I couldn't move.

00:31:52.480 I was delirious, like it was the 1700s, lying in a bed, and I threw up so majorly to the point where I threw up,

00:32:00.960 and this acidic like it had it was a it was a medium green and had a neon quality to it and

00:32:08.300 I was like oh my god I can't believe something there's something neon green wow in my body

00:32:13.720 so you know you've seen me I choke like every time I drink um anything and I choke on my own saliva

00:32:19.460 and shit always goes down the wrong tube okay I love how you're saying that like I know that 0.93

00:32:23.300 about you no I didn't know that you choke on everything well one of my biggest fears as a 1.00

00:32:28.980 child choking yeah because of the movie hello again with shelly long she chokes on a chicken

00:32:36.440 ball and beta salt and fuss what choked on a chicken bone wait what did you just say my girl

00:32:44.100 beta salt and fuss oh it was on a bone chicken bone yeah so like oh when you feel like you know

00:32:52.280 when you feel like something hasn't gone down like where are you picturing yeah what are you seeing

00:32:55.680 in your head do you see the esophagus i just see like a fleshy red tube i think that that is like

00:33:02.420 pretty accurate but like here's my question because like when you accidentally whatever

00:33:06.760 aspirate something like when you a little water goes down the wrong tube yeah what's happening

00:33:12.260 there is like you're swallowing and then the thing could either go down the esophagus right or could

00:33:17.660 go down towards the lungs oh god yeah i know what the hell is going on why are those two things next

00:33:25.640 to each other those two holes how could there be a hole that goes to your lungs and a hole that 0.70

00:33:30.540 goes to the right place yeah and like and like you better hope that when you swallow you've just

00:33:35.480 like knocked it down towards the right basketball net so i don't have like sausage in my lungs

00:33:40.800 or and then like for some reason i realized that i was picturing like choking like as though

00:33:47.360 something stuck in the esophagus and it's like no when you choke no it's in the lung hole

00:33:53.540 no and that's really disturbing and then so how do you get that out if you choke on a little piece 0.97

00:33:59.080 of popcorn i guess it's in there till the day you fucking die well it's interesting because 0.95

00:34:03.920 there is popcorn long you know yeah remember remember popcorn long it was like it was like 0.98

00:34:10.020 first of all everyone was very excited about popcorn i feel like in 2006 okay as a health

00:34:15.380 snack once they got the butters out of it i remember a teacher in college oh i want to talk

00:34:20.980 about teachers or the people that made you suddenly consider that you were fat or were you

00:34:25.560 fat or made you aware of your body because I had a flashback to in the seventh grade my teacher

00:34:30.560 I made some comment and she went well that's why you can wear spaghetti straps and I literally

00:34:35.840 didn't know what she was talking about this thing about arms and I was like wait my arms I can wear

00:34:40.560 spaghetti straps but you can't why god I must have thin arms like it was devastating which by

00:34:46.600 by like when like i hate that like where the positive compliment reveals the positive compliment

00:34:52.740 that they see as a positive compliment reveals that that they see a like binary or a spectrum

00:34:58.720 of goodness and badness that you will be judged upon not only in that area but in a thousand it

00:35:05.560 was like my one maybe my first real memory of like being my body being judged in that way

00:35:10.060 and valued as being good because it was thin and then we also had a math teacher and we went on

00:35:16.480 like a school hike and i remember her being like can't you feel the pounds melting away no yes so 0.93

00:35:22.660 beyond fucked up all-girls school sorry you cannot got off track what were we talking about 0.94

00:35:27.420 but popcorn long i just wanted to say and i oh but there was a whatever really quick yeah 0.99

00:35:32.780 professor at my college there's like one like the freshman 15 and she was like girls like eat

00:35:37.320 popcorn oh my god she was like if you want a snack just eat popcorn and that was 2005 so popcorn was

00:35:43.560 like major for 10 years like i remember like me and my parents like i mean it still is i'm just

00:35:48.240 saying my personal journey but like me and my parents eating like so much of it like like

00:35:52.060 every night okay and and it was like it's healthy because i think it's like pretty the high fiber

00:35:58.980 and it's like voluminous you know you get to eat this big thing and it's the calories whatever

00:36:03.940 so it was like seemed like this miracle okay once they got like the like art of you know the butter

00:36:09.900 out of it but then there was a rumor a couple years ago it was something about like the steam

00:36:15.360 that comes out of the popcorn bag okay of course it was almost like that air was like destroying

00:36:22.900 people's lungs over the years it was like worse than secondhand smoke i mean i'm making that up

00:36:28.720 but like let me just check that is so funny i wonder if it's like the toxic the bag opens and

00:36:33.860 popcorn lung i'm gonna write popcorn lung real okay popcorn lung is the nickname for bronchiolitis

00:36:41.540 obliterons that obliterons yeah which i'm so dramatic get that into my vocabulary for other

00:36:49.320 usage um that's a condition that damages your lungs smallest airways and makes you cough and

00:36:54.720 feel short of breath it's sometimes caused by breathing in a chemical used to flavor

00:36:59.940 microwave popcorn okay oh my god popcorn lung is real and then people are saying

00:37:06.880 now there's like popcorn lung via juul like the same thing is happening with like vaping or

00:37:13.300 something yeah i wonder what happens i'm gonna quickly google what happens when you

00:37:23.020 uh aspirate food when food drink or stomach contents make their way into your lungs

00:37:31.120 they can damage the tissues there and it can be severe increases risk of pneumonia

00:37:37.440 try to think if i've ever inhaled anything like truly like do you ever like i'm like having

00:37:42.200 oh is this giving you like profound anxiety it's like giving me popcorn lung you do not

00:37:48.180 have popcorn long i know i know i'm just hungry but yeah i'm really like i'm really like confused

00:37:56.440 by and i look this is one of the things i look at that whole area the like ent your nose throat

00:38:01.120 area i'm constantly looking up different angles i've downloaded anatomy apps like and just like

00:38:06.220 to like take a tour through the body like are you ready this one's gonna so like i want to give you

00:38:10.660 it's like okay the nose right i always think of inhaling as air going from the nostril like

00:38:17.920 up right where the hell does it where does it go up the length of the nose like up and then it's

00:38:22.720 like into you okay it goes down well it goes straight it goes straight back you're gonna be

00:38:28.320 shocked don't you think of the nostrils as like the the beginning of two vertical tubes yes 100

00:38:34.300 and it is not they're holes it's it's more like two hallways headed backwards god i'm having a

00:38:42.220 full body i have so much body anxiety today no and i don't want to contribute because there are

00:38:46.660 things that i'm tired it must just be the heat doing the cough test it hurts man but i definitely

00:38:53.780 think that's also true of muscular i know this feels more intestinal it could still be intestinal

00:38:58.720 but absolutely right yeah i mean as usual danger um dangerous advice can you imagine this accelerates

00:39:06.900 to full appendicitis and we do a remote poog of me in the hospital i really hope not i think

00:39:11.720 okay are you massaging the area at all what do you mean massaging i mean i'm touching it no but

00:39:17.280 like i'm like if there was something sort of stuck i'm not yelping out in pain no i meant like massage

00:39:23.320 like what if you're just like you know what if there's just like something in there that you need

00:39:28.560 to push further down the line i don't think i'm gonna be able to know that you can't do that

00:39:33.520 well there it was you dipped in you dipped in here we are out you dipped in and here we are

00:39:40.220 back out it's been has been weeks has been months since we recorded that no i think so

00:39:45.200 it was raging it continues to rage with no end in sight oh you know what post recording i realized

00:39:52.840 i did some googling they're not just held together like um like socks in a suitcase the organs and

00:39:59.920 the um viscera the you know the intestine it is in it i believe that they're just randomly stuck

00:40:07.340 in there smooshed in there and they are but they're not just completely free floating they

00:40:10.960 are tied thank god i believe by fascia you and fascia connective tissue yeah to the back wall

00:40:18.520 of the ab or you know the back wall i don't want to talk about the back wall oh god that's really

00:40:23.480 just made me so nauseous just the idea of a back wall actually there is no back wall okay thank

00:40:27.440 be comforted because i just realized as i was saying it there's a spine there's whatever but

00:40:30.960 fascia is holding it in some capacity that was one thing i learned and then i really don't think

00:40:36.180 i could ever give birth just like you saying back wall just like my knees just became jello and i

00:40:42.540 the epidural i would want and i would scream for it yeah but could i ever get it because what's so

00:40:48.600 scary is that isn't it like they inject you in into the spine yeah and you can't move this is 0.65

00:40:53.880 what's so scary when they give you an epidural it's like that classic image of like the woman

00:40:57.560 gripping her barely husband she gets the epidural because they have to steady her because if she

00:41:03.900 moves like you can be paralyzed and so no oh when by the way that like never injected yeah apparently

00:41:11.240 the needle slips basically never happens near the spine but it's so scary spine stuff nope i just

00:41:17.380 oh god and yeah i just don't um i don't know if i'll ever be able to do it well for our despite

00:41:27.000 our episode obviously being you know diving into the body in this one way i mean there is a lot

00:41:32.220 more to talk about like we didn't even hit on the spine in this episode oh no we're gonna we'll do

00:41:36.600 a spine ep is huge you know so so i think that was just a taste ew sorry i'm just like now thinking

00:41:43.420 about like i get so like physically anxious thinking about the inside of my body do you know

00:41:49.000 how big the liver is it's huge ew i knew that would upset you what do you mean it's really big

00:41:55.160 as far as i can tell okay compare it to something i think it's like bigger than a t-bone

00:42:00.280 and i say that because a t-bone is a combo of a ribeye and the medallion you know what that

00:42:06.900 actually okay that actually sounds right i feel like i have seen depictions of the liver

00:42:10.800 the liver is like stretching across i mean which makes sense because it's it's

00:42:16.620 it's like a big sponge i think i mean that's not how it works i don't know see we still have a lot

00:42:23.460 questions and that's why it has to it has to process out right the liver oh you'll ruin your

00:42:29.240 liver if you drink the liver processes the whatever the whatever the whatever there's a

00:42:34.080 whole the liver is big i say episode per organ at some point at least this is jumping off totally

00:42:40.440 to go liver which connects to anger which connects to bile which connects to what processes the fat

00:42:48.600 People think it's in the stomach, but it's actually the glycogen or whatever.

00:42:52.840 Anyway, sorry.

00:42:53.420 Okay, okay, okay.

00:42:54.100 I just Google anatomy at night and I will continue to.

00:42:57.140 And I think this was a great foray.

00:42:59.140 This was great.

00:42:59.860 More organs to come.

00:43:01.080 Hope you enjoyed.

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