Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Skincare Pt. 1

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00:01:05.120 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.580 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.680 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.420 Two untameable intellects.

00:01:14.180 This is our hobby. 0.93

00:01:15.040 This is our hell.

00:01:15.880 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:01:18.180 This is POOG.

00:01:19.600 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:01:21.340 SBS.

00:01:22.420 The oil debate.

00:01:23.700 The man with the bag.

00:01:25.540 This is the skincare episode, going to be on us up top.

00:01:29.360 Don't know what's in it.

00:01:30.460 Know that we were talking about skincare, which is going to be a huge thread throughout the POOG lineage. 0.81

00:01:35.880 We hope to be recording this for at least 18 years.

00:01:38.940 Yes, through the families down the line.

00:01:41.260 But absolutely, Kate and I do, you know, like to talk products, like to talk ingredients, like to talk serums, and they will continue to come up.

00:01:50.340 And of course, the question is, does that relate to wellness?

00:01:52.220 Is beauty wellness? 0.99

00:01:53.060 Well, unfortunately, in this society, it goddamn is. 0.98

00:01:56.360 Because guess what? 1.00

00:01:57.240 If you don't feel beautiful, you're going to fucking kill yourself. 0.99

00:02:03.480 So with that being said, please enjoy part one of the skincare episode. 0.99

00:02:08.180 Okay.

00:02:08.820 Have you heard of Biologique Recherche?

00:02:12.740 Have I heard of it?

00:02:14.360 It is the skincare line that I exclusively use for years.

00:02:20.360 Until now.

00:02:20.820 I'm starting to experiment with some other things.

00:02:22.660 but that has been the crown jewel for me my my facialist shout out to laurie hollingworth and

00:02:29.140 don't even try to get an appointment she uses biologique recherche and um yeah i've spent

00:02:37.300 forty thousand dollars in six months i mean it's just very expensive no and i love to hear that

00:02:42.300 from you because i i generally think of you as cheap well yeah i was trying to think of a fun

00:02:47.780 i was trying to think of i thought it'd be funny to say stingy as a joke and then like i was like

00:02:51.920 it might just not come off like a joke but i think a hilarious thing about you is that you

00:02:56.660 are simultaneously like you know luxury and whatever whatever okay like in theory and that's

00:03:01.820 why it's almost like unexpected when you're like flipping a product over well you famously i was

00:03:09.940 gonna say in sephora well you know and you famously say in your act that women should be allowed to

00:03:14.500 steal from sephora right yes i used to shoplift heavily from sephora in my youth um and i stand

00:03:20.880 by it and again i don't i don't stand by stealing from small businesses or anything like that but

00:03:25.440 a corporation like sephora that is you know pulling in money built on um the weaponization

00:03:31.500 of women's bodies against ourselves really uh i don't think they deserve to turn a profit and

00:03:36.540 they do they factor in shopping into their annual budget i'm sure hilarious and i don't think

00:03:41.960 there's anything wrong with me stealing a cream that i shouldn't have to buy just so that you know

00:03:47.380 i can erase lines that will then make me more palatable to the men in charge to hire me

00:03:52.020 and so i do believe that i now i stopped because after giuliani's daughter was was arrested

00:03:59.340 shoplifting from sephora i was are you serious yes and that really was the wake-up call i was like

00:04:04.080 calling my mother and being like kate i got arrested from shoplifting dior mascara like i

00:04:12.780 was like I can't imagine my parents would be like would they be devastated yeah I just I was like

00:04:18.960 did they teach you did they teach you not to steal as a child or was it never brought up 0.97

00:04:23.320 here's what's funny my mom has a bit of the shoplifting bug holy shit so I completely 0.92

00:04:30.280 heard anyone say that very she'll be so embarrassed to hear you talking about this but like 0.82

00:04:34.980 first of all and I talked about this with John early yes because he was like he grew up having

00:04:40.860 you know all these friends these girlfriends that would shoplift and he was like i feel like it's a 0.83

00:04:45.300 significantly like kind of female disease or compulsion which i completely agree with i think

00:04:50.800 that women we feel like we're being robbed since birth we are so much is being demanded from of us

00:04:57.260 i'm laughing i'm laughing by the severity of the language and yeah and no so it's like genius it's 0.70

00:05:02.560 like yeah we should get a goddamn freebie here and there well like i always feel like it's like

00:05:08.080 girls stealing thongs for some reason in my mind like thongs from annie says and maybe that's 0.95

00:05:13.400 because like my friend stole thongs from annie says this is why i don't know always that oh

00:05:19.060 very east coast okay okay east coast it's almost like a tj maxx or something got it um i wonder

00:05:25.920 how if they'd be happy to hear me say that well that's that and of course american apparel in

00:05:31.160 this way that i remember shoplifting stuffing my bag so comically like i went in with like

00:05:37.840 santa it was like santa's bag like the it was like a duffel basically and leaving with it

00:05:43.100 stuffed absolutely stuffed i mean the fact that i wasn't for the men with the bag what sorry i had

00:05:51.100 to sing okay we're not going to move on i mean i want to cover all this but i just had to say this

00:05:56.600 because i'm obsessed with it and i talk about it all year long it's not something i only talk

00:05:59.800 about at Christmas like I regularly contemplate this with Chris you know the song a holiday song

00:06:04.040 it's like everybody's waiting for the man with the bag no Christmas is here again no and I know

00:06:11.420 I'm literally shocked what is that it's one of the like classic carols I'll you know maybe I'll

00:06:19.180 maybe I'll search for it and play it into the thing real quick not not the entire okay well

00:06:23.180 I had Santa's bag stuffed and I remember it just being because there was a mania that came over me

00:06:28.440 it really is drug addiction shoplifting because it's like this adrenaline rush and like stealing

00:06:33.140 things I don't even particularly want just being like put them in put them in you know it really

00:06:36.880 is compulsive behavior and it feels incredible yes oh and so one thing so my mom is not like a

00:06:43.260 habitual shoplifter yeah but I think she and this is also I think honestly political and radical and 0.70

00:06:49.540 completely okay and of course you know the it's also just of course you're like a white lady in

00:06:55.200 of story you can get away with murder but it's like she oh god yeah my mom has a couple times

00:07:01.320 had kind of that moment happen of oh is this is in the cart oh did i not pay for that

00:07:06.580 like kind of like like a couple times i've been with her or she told me she 0.85

00:07:10.440 let something kind of slide into her hand and pass the checkout counter just like petty theft

00:07:15.880 and but it's like yeah because when you're a woman over a certain age you're invisible

00:07:19.400 right and so it's like you should be able to make me invisible yeah it's like well then i'm 0.68

00:07:25.100 going to be the invisible man and goddamn steal and so and i have had a couple because i recognize 0.75

00:07:31.800 it now it's kind of like an ocd thing i would awake in the night craving a certain item 0.97

00:07:36.120 convincing myself how do i get it i don't want to pay for it and for me i remember one time it

00:07:41.120 really circling around ceremonial grade matcha and i was like i need the ceremonial grade matcha

00:07:47.900 and i need but i'm not spending 45 dollars it was like 40 dollars i was like i'm not spending

00:07:53.240 40 something dollars on tea absolutely not so in my mind I was like I'm going to steal it from

00:07:58.380 Whole Foods and I remember being awake at night being like here's what I'm gonna do and by the

00:08:02.540 way I did it I did it no so here was my plan I was like I'm gonna have the shopping cart I'm

00:08:06.760 gonna have a huge I'm gonna be loading things into the shopping cart I'm gonna put a tote bag

00:08:12.380 in the shopping cart and I'm going to be at the tea section I'm going to toss recklessly toss a

00:08:19.060 couple boxes of like three dollar tea over your shoulder and then i'm going to exactly into the

00:08:24.940 cart so that if anyone sees me or on the security cams oh she's tossing tea okay she's tossing tea

00:08:30.800 into the cart so then what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna pick up the tin of the ceremonial grade

00:08:36.380 matcha with the same light-hearted with the same recklessness yes but i will aim perfectly for the

00:08:42.620 tote so that even if it lands in the tote well i had no idea let's check the camera sir okay so

00:08:48.940 my heart is racing this is the best story i've ever heard i'm literally in shock

00:08:52.260 and how did how does this not come up anytime we've mentioned matcha okay go on i don't know

00:08:57.940 i don't know i'm thrilled i toss back i toss the three dollar box it lands i'm tossed it's perfect

00:09:05.180 i grab the tin i arc it then i pick up the ceremonial grade matcha i arc it beautifully

00:09:11.380 okay the ceremonial grade matcha arcs lands perfectly in the tote just as planned you

00:09:17.600 cannot be serious i delicately note this from a side glance i rise to my feet at that moment a

00:09:23.920 security guard wait rise to your feet because it was low down on the shelf i was crouching

00:09:28.560 oh right and by that moment little handheld not a uh no full-blown shopping cart because key to this

00:09:35.720 key to this was that i had the wagon filled so i was oh she's shopping right so at that moment a

00:09:42.220 security guard turned down the aisle and my heart truly dropped i was like oh no and of course he

00:09:46.780 walked right by me he didn't notice or anything and so here's what i did which was a weird move

00:09:51.720 so my skin is on fire because the matcha is firmly in the tote okay i make the strange decision to

00:09:58.380 take it to the car now wait so i abandon my cart i take my tote i abandon the cart i go to my car

00:10:05.780 i put the i transfer the ceremony of green matcha into the console and then i'm i'm and i was like

00:10:12.480 screaming with laughter alone like shaking screaming with laughter alone yeah no like

00:10:16.460 that's what the yeah and so then i'm like go back in so i went back in and filled out my cart and

00:10:20.700 then checked out but that was a weird move like i probably should have just stayed with the cart

00:10:24.940 i don't know astonishing move but i have it let me tell you the matcha i just remember having that

00:10:30.640 it tastes like 10 times sweeter when it's free oh my god that's interesting and then i almost did

00:10:37.340 i was obsessed with the idea of wanting to shoplift manuka honey because i was like

00:10:41.000 Manuka honey is probably a total scam and I don't want to spend $50 on honey, but I want to taste the, you know, I want that experience.

00:10:50.460 I want to, you know, to be.

00:10:52.780 This is astonishing to me because, and then I never did shoplift the Manuka honey.

00:10:57.740 I got too scared.

00:10:58.620 Congratulations.

00:11:00.720 And I don't shoplift anymore, for the record.

00:11:02.860 No, I'm shocked.

00:11:04.340 I mean, I'm not shocked, but I am fascinated.

00:11:06.760 I sometimes think it tastes sweeter when you're overpaid.

00:11:09.940 That's funny.

00:11:10.540 i'm not even joking because yeah overpaying is erotic 0.99

00:11:14.180 well i remember like hearing about these um financial submissives i'm i'm obsessed with

00:11:21.580 this concept okay financial submissives okay this was the idea my friend told me this 15 years ago

00:11:26.840 all right it was like these guys okay who online would like pair up with a woman like a sugar daddy

00:11:34.440 so yes but they wanted to be degraded okay so the whole thing was like degraded and ignored so it's

00:11:41.040 just like they give their credit card information and be completely ignored and driven into profound

00:11:47.060 debt okay not unbelievable so the anonymity the like this woman is taking me for all i'm worth

00:11:54.280 watching the numbers drop it wasn't like she was on the line or on the phone or on the cam being

00:11:59.920 like i'm buying stuff thanks you know what i mean okay or even like i'm like or even i'm buying 0.99

00:12:05.440 stuff like you little bastard you know you don't deserve your money little pig yeah it was literally 0.97

00:12:11.780 just absolutely like reverse sadaka it's reverse sadaka wait what is sadaka familiar with sadaka 1.00

00:12:18.340 sadaka is the jewish um i'm gonna bastardize it but it's like it's like donation or it's like

00:12:23.920 the jewish idea of there's like different levels of sadaka like the lowest form of sadaka is you're

00:12:28.820 donating to someone it's like you handing someone cash basically they see you you see them right

00:12:33.940 the highest form of sadaka is that you put money basically in a box and someone who needs it gets

00:12:39.080 it they don't know you you don't know them so the idea of like truly selfless giving where there is

00:12:42.820 no ego attachment because you're not receiving kind of the social benefit of like look at me

00:12:47.240 i'm giving um so yeah it's like reverse sadaka that's hysterical right right that's a really

00:12:53.420 interesting like why is that so erotic and something about being degraded like that and for

00:12:59.280 something about masculinity being so tied up obviously in in money and domination through

00:13:05.820 money and power and then to be like facelessly drained of that power well it's like you're 0.99

00:13:12.720 finally free as like a wall street piece of shit i think those are they go to the dominatrixes i 0.94

00:13:18.000 mean i don't know i'm speaking from nothing but like so interesting it's a thing that they 0.97

00:13:22.000 they want to be degraded because like you know they become bored of power all day um 0.99

00:13:27.160 and they become bored of you know the yes men or it's like yeah the the money is their dick at 0.98

00:13:34.940 that point right and they want it and the only way to seek pleasure yeah it's like you only can 0.99

00:13:40.660 fuck them through their money it's devastating or something but that's uh wow you know and i think 0.99

00:13:47.020 this is a choice it's like if i spring for something you know a skincare or whatever 0.99

00:13:54.180 product that i'm just like this is really this is a lot um i have to really believe in the science

00:14:03.740 to uh like whatever that is augustine botter or something i i always oh okay okay okay i'm

00:14:10.800 sounding the alarm we need to reach out to them i've done so much research on the augustus spader

00:14:16.020 cream and by so much research i mean like one vogue article you know i've purchased so hang on

00:14:21.960 hang on hang on hang on do you like the augustus bader here's what i want to say about botter okay

00:14:27.400 first the key with the botter and it's like 300 a bottle or something okay and yeah it's crazy

00:14:32.800 and like you know i make impulse purchases when i feel like i have you know it'd be like getting

00:14:38.560 paid and deciding to do that with some promise of you know i won't order takeout for a week or

00:14:45.360 something okay of course okay well I'm always like well if I get that you know all I have to do is

00:14:49.660 just curb my kombucha addiction for three weeks yeah and then you know um I went for it and then

00:14:56.700 here's what called to me this is classic this is this is what gets me okay the concept is that

00:15:03.200 this Augustine Bader and I might have his name wrong because like it's like whatever Augustine

00:15:07.800 Bader Augustus Bader okay yeah okay but I'll look it up just to make sure we have the correct yeah

00:15:14.520 Because I always felt like I was saying Augustus, and then I realized it was Augustan, or it was something.

00:15:20.240 Let's see if I have the bottle.

00:15:21.200 I was like, it was so expensive.

00:15:22.700 It is Augustanus.

00:15:25.500 Okay, I knew it was something more.

00:15:27.100 Augustanus Spader.

00:15:27.760 I knew it was something more.

00:15:29.400 Augustanus Spader.

00:15:30.100 I knew there was more to it.

00:15:31.420 Okay, I knew it wasn't just those syllables.

00:15:33.320 It's an anti-aging, moisture-rich cream.

00:15:37.440 You know, the magazines, or at least one magazine, I'm trying to think which it was.

00:15:40.800 it was like marie claire or something decided to stop saying anti-aging basically yeah like

00:15:48.540 like they're like they'll say like skin maintenance or something like that but they're

00:15:52.740 like the concept of anti-aging is fucked up you know what i mean it's it's kind of interesting

00:15:59.540 and like they stop retouching i i can appreciate the impulse but it's utterly impotent in my right 0.86

00:16:06.620 right no so okay so botter here's what called to me about botter okay apparently he's a scientist

00:16:13.620 all right he's a serious research scientist or whatever they always get us with the science

00:16:17.820 every time he his specialty was creating some kind of serum or whatever for healing burn victims

00:16:24.700 okay that's right i remember this okay this is why it's so compelling so he's not out there

00:16:30.560 trying to trying to appeal to beverly hills women looking to anti-age okay okay he is in the

00:16:38.680 trenches of the burn unit okay desperately trying to help people uh and help them heal radically

00:16:45.820 okay so he develops whatever you know this complex hydro blah blah blah blah blah it's

00:16:52.660 incredibly effective in that realm and then someone with an eye for a dollar i don't know

00:16:57.860 I think comes to him and begs him to create a beauty product. Now, I ask, where's the serum?

00:17:06.100 Okay. Because of course, I don't like a combo product because I believe you're getting

00:17:11.520 less of every key ingredient. And this is a trend. I'm not the only one. Okay. But you know, like,

00:17:17.540 okay, you go into the brands where it's like, okay, I'm getting pure hyaluronic acid. I'm

00:17:21.660 getting pure uh you know vitamin c whatever you want a layer okay layer and just get the most 0.97

00:17:27.740 potency and not have the shit dissolved into a cream okay because cream to me i kind of am like 0.77

00:17:34.720 cream cream isn't inherently penetrating if anything cream is a layer that you put on to 0.98

00:17:41.460 keep all the other stuff in so i'm just like put the cream on last that's not so i'm like where's

00:17:45.520 the serum and i almost feel like that the serum is the liquid gold that like like they're not

00:17:50.020 willing to give us and so it's like well i'm sorry but i know we're going to circle back

00:17:53.540 biology yes but those are the serums that did change my skin i'm sorry really finally i was

00:17:59.100 dry for years okay i was experiencing dryness were you jawline on the nose really on the jawline

00:18:06.200 i was that's very dry i was very dry and i would apply creams rich creams but really nothing would

00:18:14.100 work and then this biologique i'm sorry serum it looks like medical equipment it comes in this

00:18:21.180 like terrifying little vial it's the consistency i kid you not of water it's the same viscosity

00:18:27.260 as water so you're like how could this do anything you drop it on your skin and it was like it

00:18:33.560 moisturized me my god more than any cream no cream is a final layer and and i'm gonna make a note

00:18:39.680 because we'll talk about the k-beauty um trend which i have fully ordered some of those things

00:18:46.140 from soko glam but i have to say no i feel you doubting it and that's fine no no i listen i do

00:18:52.120 not doubt i do not doubt i used so i just it's so overwhelming it's like okay are you going to

00:18:57.300 commit to k-beauty are you going to commit yes to all natural are you going to commit to biologique

00:19:02.380 you know and i was doing the commitment to biologique the 1970 toner morning and night

00:19:08.320 that's like i think it's pure poison like it absolutely it's like but i do love it and it's

00:19:13.880 hydrating and exfoliate poison why maybe it's poison you're saying because it's i just remember

00:19:19.380 hearing that it was like banned in europe or there's like a certain ingredient in it i'm

00:19:22.740 forgetting what it is that's banned in europe right i was just letting it soak in and so i've

00:19:28.160 actually very recently started trying to experiment with some more natural beauty and i have been

00:19:33.080 using true botanicals you know this brand it's like i mean it sounds familiar but oils i'm sure

00:19:38.960 they've been advertised to you on instagram i've always been like that looks luxurious so it's

00:19:44.440 only been a few days but i have been i do love it and it's so oil which i was kind of convinced

00:19:49.040 like well oil's not penetrative it's just sitting on the surface but it's kind of wild because i

00:19:53.240 will say with the true botanicals pure radiance oil which does smell like heaven i'm putting it

00:19:59.100 on my face i'm patting it in and then it's gone like it actually does absorb do you want to hear

00:20:04.440 my hesitations yeah let's go all right one currently the only oil i use is biosense okay

00:20:10.640 it's in sephora indeed it's squalene oh i've seen it i've seen it squalene is it like okay

00:20:16.240 okay it's like a green bottle i've had some squalene and there's different squalene vegan

00:20:20.780 squalene no right because there's squalene and squalene okay one of them one is baby sharks

00:20:26.040 so it's literally yeah yeah and one is like seaweed okay and so yeah and literally it was

00:20:30.320 like i think it was like on the bottle like steve jobs invested in biosense okay and i was like

00:20:36.280 i'm in okay i was like yeah yeah okay so embarrassing okay but biosense and i read up

00:20:42.940 and it was this whole thing about how that oil unlike every other oil okay you know one dissolves

00:20:50.780 in in a way that isn't it doesn't even feel like you know it looks like an oil when it goes into

00:20:55.700 your hand right put it on disappears into the skin okay so i really appreciate that i read an

00:21:01.380 article a few years ago and i keep looking for it okay to try to find it again that was like

00:21:06.460 your oils are aging you stop oils are oxidizing like on the skin and are literally like yes it

00:21:13.980 feels like moisture now but it's actually aging you okay you should google it later no i know and

00:21:21.960 And the reason I have to say it is because, like, everyone's popping the Josie Moran or whatever since 98.

00:21:29.580 Yeah, of course.

00:21:30.060 Okay, it's probably 2004.

00:21:30.660 The Argon.

00:21:31.220 Okay, the Argon oil boom.

00:21:33.680 But I've been putting Marula oil on my decolletage.

00:21:37.280 You're telling me to stop?

00:21:38.840 I'm terrified.

00:21:40.600 I think that the oil is doing one thing for you, probably.

00:21:43.700 I do think it's like, I just, Kate, go buy a sauce.

00:21:50.480 That's the squalene?

00:21:51.340 yeah let me look that i use i want i'm gonna reach out to them i want it free and changed me

00:21:55.400 i mean you know you're kidding it changed you i mean you have gorgeous skin okay i'm looking here

00:22:02.840 i promoted him in the strategist article squalene plus vitamin c rose or what what do you use no i

00:22:10.160 do the purest one they have the basic big bottle that you can use on anything because i don't want

00:22:15.740 if i'm doing it has a shark on the front what are you joking it has a picture of a shark on the front

00:22:20.780 yes honey let me look there's a goddamn shark in front of it mine doesn't okay hold on it says 0.93

00:22:29.960 cruelty free by the way i'm really excited cruelty free and then they were like okay i see no shark 0.97

00:22:36.940 okay well i'm gonna send you i'm gonna send you a link to this and you're gonna see the shark 0.97

00:22:44.240 this is hysterical there's a fucking shark on it wait oh wow it's ewg verified which goes a long 0.92

00:22:52.000 way in my book really um oh my god ewg yeah what's that stands for environmental working group 0.99

00:22:59.080 they're a fabulous website corporation i suppose and they will you can look up any product and

00:23:05.100 they'll tell you like this is toxic or like no sorry that's great i'm laughing hysterically this

00:23:09.320 is a new bottle i could show you mine the shark yes and yeah so let me just look you send me a

00:23:14.780 link to to the product that you like and i will be reaching out to them i will be reaching out

00:23:19.600 if you want to include a link to my strategist article like the products jacqueline novak can't

00:23:25.480 can't live without okay i'm pretty sure i say biosense in there if i do you could say it's

00:23:31.240 kind of nice because you can say like jacqueline already you know mentioned your product in the

00:23:35.380 No, no, I'll say, as you can see, my co-host is already a huge fan.

00:23:39.080 Yeah. 0.99

00:23:44.340 All right, you little skin-obsessed freaks.

00:23:48.360 It's time for an ad. 0.51

00:23:52.020 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:23:56.080 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:24:01.240 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:24:05.180 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:24:06.600 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:24:10.260 No, I am not your guru.

00:24:14.000 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:24:16.620 I lied to police.

00:24:17.900 I lied to everybody.

00:24:18.900 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:24:21.860 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:24:24.540 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:24:27.220 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:24:30.760 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:24:33.620 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:24:35.180 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:24:38.240 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:24:41.260 Boom. Boom. This is The Red Weather. 1.00

00:24:45.560 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:24:56.680 Welcome back. More skincare episode now.

00:24:59.360 I'm sorry. I do need to go back to you.

00:25:02.040 No, take me back.

00:25:02.700 about oil because i want i'm terrified about the oil fear-mongering no i know i'm always looking

00:25:08.720 for this and also i have yet to understand what you're doing with the squalene all right squalene

00:25:14.180 okay or biosense i'll say what's great about it you know they're like cuticles hair everything

00:25:19.000 right because it's so just like pure and drops in that you can use it kind of any way i my my

00:25:25.460 whole thing was i was doing um so what i would do is this okay the moment after i wash my face

00:25:33.060 usually oil cleanser because i lean dry and if i do break out or i do whatever i guess

00:25:39.740 technically it's combination skin i don't know but it's like it's like dryness only contributes

00:25:44.000 to all that so i believe in like aiming for hydration etc etc and then seeing what happens

00:25:49.640 as a result so love that if i wash my face let's say oil cleanser or some water-based cleanser

00:25:54.720 it's immediately dry the second it dries the face it's not flaking off but it's tight okay i know

00:26:00.460 it's not hydrated right and so my whole thing is when i cleanse the skin and it's still wet sort of

00:26:07.140 when it's still wet and still you know hasn't sort of dried out by virtue of the the evaporation

00:26:12.260 before it dries essence this is a big korean beauty thing the watery essence is first i have

00:26:20.840 some of that i have some of the sks yes sk2 yes the hell is it yes which i think is actually i

00:26:27.740 think they're japanese i think that's a japanese essence but but essences in general are not really

00:26:33.460 or haven't been previously big in the american beauty skincare thing right because it's not

00:26:38.640 ignored yeah toner is usually pretty drying okay because toner is essentially not just supposed to

00:26:46.520 be an astringent okay toners are also supposed to make the following products like go in easier

00:26:52.360 okay of course soak into the dermis okay so so watery essence goes in first right skin is like

00:26:58.180 open and moist you get the watery essence in then okay and then before like that completely dries

00:27:03.220 for me again same thing the serums serums go in okay then you go progressively from like thin

00:27:09.080 to more heavy right right because the heavy ones create the barrier so you do the essence um then

00:27:15.560 the serums then um you know then in theory the cream then the oil well i'm leaving out the oil

00:27:22.520 because that's not technically part of the my korean beauty or the 10-step got it so then the

00:27:28.960 creams i guess or there are some oils in there i don't know i can't get off oil and then cream

00:27:35.360 basically and and the reason it's 10-step is because a exfoliant is part of it like standing

00:27:41.660 at the mirror is step one like how are there so many steps i don't understand double cleansing

00:27:47.740 is big in the korean thing first you cleanse that i know i mean you cleanse with an oil-based

00:27:52.880 product right ostensibly to take off your makeup take off your makeup and remove purities through

00:27:57.920 that method of course then you follow up with the water-based foaming type cleansers because i need

00:28:03.880 to start double cleansing now if you're dry you might not need the foaming cleanser i probably

00:28:08.880 don't okay so i'm combo but i also feel like the foaming cleanser removes the oil of the oil

00:28:15.840 cleanser thus letting the products that are immediately following it to soak in but you

00:28:21.420 gotta do it fast if you just go water cleanser or even double you know double cleanse and then

00:28:26.440 just head out into the world like i'm like so one thing like if i leave the bathroom with

00:28:30.220 nothing on my skin but just having cleansed it and i'm like i just feel it i'm like this is i'm

00:28:36.800 like get something on me now so what are you putting on so i snail wait what did you call

00:28:43.080 snail oh snail mucin absolutely one of my absolute absolute favorite products which brand

00:28:49.340 i do the cos cos rx you know it's so sad i had that it's in a pump yes and i was somehow convinced

00:28:58.480 that it's inexpensive too it's like 11 dollars yeah i was somehow convinced like no like this

00:29:05.200 isn't real if you read about on the k-beauty sites like soco glam my favorite my source yes

00:29:09.780 yes um and part of me honestly didn't wasn't convinced i think and i'm ashamed to say this

00:29:14.880 because of the low price tag that's hysterical huge bottle for ten dollars like am i supposed

00:29:20.080 to believe this is real yeah i also got scared about layering a lot of products because also

00:29:24.460 there's you know schools of thought that like too many products is not good sure but but but

00:29:29.900 what does that really mean right too many products if it's random and you're just piling on a bunch

00:29:34.600 of things that like are counteracting each other are not meant to mix like you're doing but the

00:29:39.740 korean thing is so laid out in this process that it's like it's only layering i mean the moment

00:29:44.660 the only moment in which layering is actually happening is when you have the thing that's not

00:29:49.340 absorbing into the skin wow you know what i mean well that's the truth and so to me it's like it

00:29:54.940 gets thicker and thicker as you go and the final layers like the creams or whatever are creating a

00:29:59.600 barrier that's, that's protecting, you know, drying from, from outside, you know, I'm protecting

00:30:05.800 the products you just did. Okay. Got it. Okay. Now, now tether me. Okay. So I dropped the

00:30:12.380 Biosanza oil because it drops in so well. I usually do that pre cream post, you know, serums.

00:30:19.120 And how many drops all over your face? Oh, I do a full pump, which probably pumps out

00:30:25.080 a good a good i'd say teaspoon i'm actually realizing more and more i'm like you literally

00:30:31.420 don't have a single wrinkle not really i mean i mean and that is and so that's obviously genes

00:30:37.060 at play i don't think so no okay okay you've been privately this is like your little secret

00:30:44.280 you've been running home for years and doing 10 steps rituals on your face and and acting like

00:30:51.220 I'm so low maintenance no makeup skin of a 20 year old I love that thank you okay are you ready 0.92

00:30:56.680 I'm sure I need your full regime I'm terrified is it too late for me no because your skin is

00:31:03.480 no you're you're fine okay I know it but here's here's here's what I'm so proud of is SPF

00:31:10.840 well here we go here we go yes it's all about SPF it's all about sun yeah and I actually have

00:31:19.220 been pretty good about SPF in my life I I don't know I think I was in college it could have been

00:31:25.280 post-college but I saw this um article or whatever of this like school teacher who sat by a window

00:31:35.100 okay teaching for 30 years okay and the sun came in on one half of her face

00:31:42.040 and the other half of her face was shaded okay and it's like a perfect line down her nose

00:31:49.480 of one side of the face wrinkled wrinkled as hell okay 0.79

00:31:54.540 and the other side pristine okay and to me that was just that that did it that removed the gene

00:32:05.660 question wow because people love to say like i'm not doing anything because actually it's all genes

00:32:12.400 like like oh i'm not gonna take care of my health because like you live long or short okay and it's

00:32:17.960 like we can we have the power you know whatever the hell your genes are what you choose to do with

00:32:24.900 them will have an effect you know what i mean so it's like so to me that woman that convinced me

00:32:31.320 Okay. You know, versus just meeting a woman with beautiful skin who says, you know, yes, this is because I wore SPF. And it's like, is it, you know, I mean, it was as simple as half a face. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And, and funny, she didn't notice it happening along the way. I mean, perhaps she didn't care, didn't turn the desk around. You know what I mean? So that changed me. I got on the path of SPF. And I told my friends, like my closest friends, like, like, you know, I didn't know you at the time. Okay.

00:33:01.320 okay like my friends from growing up okay i was like girls okay we don't call each other that but

00:33:07.620 i was like i'm starting an spf regimen now we're 22 we're 23 whatever i'm like i'm beginning now

00:33:15.320 wow you can get on board now with me or 10 years from now we're all together and you're going

00:33:24.180 why no wrinkle and i'm going i told you i gave you a chance to get on board solemnly

00:33:30.580 you tell them okay and i think it's come to pass i'm trying to think at least i mean i mean your

00:33:37.380 skin it's like i've never even thought about how good your skin is because it's just this like

00:33:41.260 it's just this constant so weird of like that your skin is so great that i don't even think

00:33:46.720 about it and that is well you're the ultimate triumph but your skin to me is a like i mean

00:33:51.560 there's not a damn mark i have rosacea it's not true broken blood vessels slash i this last year

00:33:58.300 actually two broken blood vessels did appear and i'm and my dermatologist cruelly was just like

00:34:04.100 yeah it's you know it just happens when you age and uh and i'm like am i gonna get the laser you

00:34:08.660 know they can laser all right laser it away with like a beige laser i don't know and she was like

00:34:14.200 yeah it's like beige and she was like match it to your skin tone or something i don't know i may

00:34:20.140 have also dreamt that maybe it's not beige no it is beige and so you mean they're applying pigment

00:34:25.060 no way i don't know that laser is not okay it was the device page but it is

00:34:29.720 all i know there's a laser and she was like it might work is possibly that it won't and you're

00:34:36.520 gonna have a bruise on your face for two weeks and i've actually been thinking well quarantine

00:34:40.020 is kind of the best time to do something like i saw an article that said plastic or plastic surgery

00:34:44.560 you know all those manner of treatments up during quarantine yeah i'm sure everyone's like this is

00:34:49.600 my chance yeah like now's the time i've never gotten any i mean one i don't have a dermatologist

00:34:55.040 just i've never gotten anything what do you mean anything like i've never gotten any um meaningful

00:35:00.280 skin treatments like other than like a facial current nothing like i've never gone into the

00:35:05.180 derm to get something done neither have i although i do get microcurrent facials which by the way

00:35:12.100 back to the science of it all it's like the microcurrent machine was made to treat people

00:35:16.820 with bell's palsy which is the slackening of the of the facial muscles my friend got it when we're

00:35:21.400 at circus camp it's my greatest no stop see just talking about it i'm like i'll get it i'll summon

00:35:25.780 it it's like terrifying because stress can unleash it um so i can't unleash it as though it's waiting

00:35:33.740 at all times it's not waiting for you it's not it's like bell's palsy um shingles i'm like they're

00:35:41.840 just waiting to be unleashed but listen the microcurrent delivers these small jolts of

00:35:47.480 electricity to the face right and it stimulates collagen right and it it keeps your muscles

00:35:52.780 taut and so i've been getting these facials uh and i'm actually thinking about investing in

00:35:58.420 the device which is like an at-home device yes talk about i'm definitely reaching out to new 0.85

00:36:03.080 face and going can i get a goddamn free now i hear you say the word i where's the word we

00:36:08.200 for us for us i mean and i'm happy to do it too they're like 500 but what did it cost them to make 0.95

00:36:15.580 promotion on an iheart media podcast cannot be right what am i talking about there are

00:36:21.800 departments devoted to that okay thank you i'm reaching out today i'm reaching out to new face

00:36:28.160 i'm reaching out to bio sense bio essence what the hell is it called bio song i also want to

00:36:33.220 just say briefly we were talking about like splurge products right are you have you by the

00:36:38.640 way it's an oil so i know you won't like it even though i am enjoying my true botanicals ritual

00:36:42.880 yeah um vintner's daughter is one of these right like 200 face oils that people swear by yeah it's

00:36:49.860 like is it real i would love to reach out to them is that based on the antioxidants of like

00:36:54.580 wine grapes or something i feel like i'm gonna look right now i used butter and it was hard for

00:36:59.740 me because even though that i believe that they say use nothing but butter that's a big thing

00:37:04.340 right use no other product but butter when you're using butter just i'm like i believe they're

00:37:09.720 saying that because they are concerned that you're going to layer on creams and all this kind of

00:37:15.300 stuff and then put butter on it's not going to soak in and you're not going to get the like lab

00:37:18.840 grade results right i hear you so i believe that's why they're saying it so i believe if i employ

00:37:24.520 the korean beauty um concept of going from lighter watery essences to the heavier makes sense then i

00:37:33.560 think it's safe like or not even safe but totally effective to use butter i think the watery

00:37:38.240 essences are just creating a skin dermis that is ready to receive the chemicals of the butter

00:37:44.680 okay but i'm off it i'm off it because you know it's like i certainly couldn't subscribe

00:37:49.880 you know they're like subscription of course 300 a month and it's like yeah god heinous listen i'm

00:37:56.880 getting excited about vintner's daughter now see i'm so it's just catnip for me and this is the

00:38:00.800 essence of poo great this is like why we've set off like it is like this promise of the correct

00:38:06.080 serum this promise of everlasting beauty and this like nightly ritual and for me it's about also 0.59

00:38:11.300 like i'm a pig and a slob right like i my environment's often cluttered i will like

00:38:16.380 reach a breaking point and be like i need to clean today and i'll do it like manically and 0.88

00:38:21.440 then i'll be like okay my life can start now because the house is clean yes my the dream

00:38:25.620 the woman with the bedside table with the oh my god with the you know the book the notebook the

00:38:31.320 pen the the perfect hand cream the perfect facial mist the neck cream you know the abalone shell

00:38:38.280 with the one burning incense like yes that's like the dream of the woman that i want to one day be

00:38:44.140 able to be but instead my my like my night table is this this altar of of pain

00:38:52.640 like what's on it that's pain it's like a stack of books that i like read intermittently because

00:39:03.300 like my add is ravaged my brain so i read 10 pages i move to the point of tears and then i

00:39:08.380 don't pick it up for six more months right so it's like a stack of these books you love it

00:39:12.300 you love it and yet you don't continue which is yes story of my life classic i experience the

00:39:16.540 thing i go this is the greatest and then this is the greatest and then never again and so and i

00:39:20.320 have like my my cream like kind of creams that i guess i like but i but maybe those are on the

00:39:25.400 bedside table that's interesting that's like my mother well no no i have my skin cares on the

00:39:29.440 bathroom but my nightstand right now i have walita skin food which i do love see i think la natural

00:39:36.120 because you grew up in in los angeles yeah yeah has gotten into you in a way that oh it's gotten

00:39:42.080 deep in i i have so little faith in like small brand like small brand like we we wanted like i

00:39:50.880 i saw so many you know so many ingredients on the back of a thing and this is just an apple

00:39:56.340 feeds your skin and i'm like not impressed because i'm just like i think when you're

00:40:03.260 dealing with like the big consumer brands okay this that are in the supermarket and have been

00:40:08.220 there for 30 years and it's like shocking what's in them that's one thing but i feel like the high

00:40:15.020 some of at least some of the high-end skincare stuff even if it is a long list of chemicals

00:40:20.260 it's like i believe they're there for a reason okay hate to stop you right when you're begging

00:40:25.820 for more but we gotta go to commercial folks this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called

00:40:32.840 The Red Weather. It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea. In 1995, my neighbor,

00:40:41.260 Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune. It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and

00:40:45.900 trees and praying and drugs. No, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents. I lied

00:40:55.040 to police. I lied to everybody. There were years right where I could not say your name. I've decided

00:41:00.380 to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:41:02.580 interview my friends, family, talk to police,

00:41:04.900 journalists, whomever I can

00:41:06.140 to try to find out what actually happened.

00:41:08.740 Isn't it a little bit weird that they

00:41:10.280 obsess over hippies in the woods and not the

00:41:12.140 obvious boyfriend? They have had this case

00:41:14.460 for 30 years. 0.92

00:41:16.260 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here 1.00

00:41:18.240 and my wife. Boom! Boom! 1.00

00:41:20.600 This is The Red Weather.

00:41:23.580 Listen to The Red Weather

00:41:24.780 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:41:27.140 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:41:30.380 the ads are over the skincare episode continues is it best to commit to a single line like

00:41:39.920 biologique was sheriff's like i'm committing to the line and the line has treated me well

00:41:43.660 i'll be honest and i'm basically at the end of like two of my little serum vials so i was like

00:41:49.520 i'm gonna get through those and i'm gonna try a new line right right but before i before i buy

00:41:54.740 them again because you know one of those little serum bottles is 120 i'd say it lasts four months

00:42:00.140 i do not inherently believe that committing to a line is meaningful okay i hear you i think 0.96

00:42:08.180 in most cases it's a goddamn scam okay okay so like you know um you know like think of the lowest

00:42:15.800 form think of like you know pantene pro v okay which i by the way i like have like a commercial 0.95

00:42:22.700 grade like pump of it in my in my shower because that's one thing i want to talk about natural

00:42:27.520 stuff i want to discover natural hair stuff because the conditioner like panting pro v which

00:42:33.800 is like made from like it's like aaron brockovich is gonna file a lawsuit against panting pro v like

00:42:39.460 any second i feel like it's so like the level of perfume is so shocking i have so much hair

00:42:44.960 yeah i have so much hair me too and i'm like i can't buy really expensive conditioner i'm gonna

00:42:50.360 go through a 30 bottle in a week or like 10 days yes no no but i do but there's something about

00:42:57.440 natural I kind of I do stand behind natural for hair also because this is what always haunted me

00:43:03.520 you're in the hot shower you're in the steam you are inhaling your products whatever you're using

00:43:09.360 in the shower you are breathing damn and that's when I heard that that's when I dropped to my 0.95

00:43:14.720 knees and wept because I realized like I've been doing a Pantene Pro-V diffuser right like you've 0.99

00:43:22.140 been doing I'm diffusing and I do want to talk about diffusing oils by the way which I think 0.98

00:43:26.740 is pure danger oh don't say that to me okay don't say it off that shit listen to me listen to me 0.92

00:43:33.820 don't say it because i ordered it i'm so excited to finally experience the ultimate luxury of the 0.97

00:43:38.900 vitruvi the vitruvi like gorgeous stone diffuser with the oils no it's gonna diffuse just don't

00:43:45.740 put your face over it don't like put your face over it aggressively i don't do that i diffuse

00:43:50.660 it in the room as to not use a candle because i love scenting i love room scent but candles

00:43:55.520 we want to talk about toxins by the way you mentioned a skincare product smelling great

00:44:00.260 earlier something you put on your face that smells great kate kate get your aromatherapy

00:44:04.360 not from the thing on your nose or your eyelid okay you don't need that ingredient in there

00:44:10.880 i basically no it's not perfume it's like just it's oil oh coming from the grape itself okay

00:44:17.400 yeah it smells like that gorgeous you know better not be fragrance no no no are you gonna put you

00:44:24.200 know potpourri on your face well no that's something that we can both agree on with the

00:44:28.300 natural skincare thank god is perfume because i didn't know this folks listen in if you look at

00:44:33.060 the back of any of your product and it says perfume uh natural scent right or like fragrance

00:44:39.300 there's a legal thing where companies can put quite literally whatever they want into a product

00:44:45.340 and call it fragrance it's like a psychotic loophole and it's like an american kind of

00:44:49.200 dilemma so whenever you see perfume you think oh yeah they put a little little squeeze of chanel

00:44:54.820 number five in there it's like no that could be anything that they are able to legally label

00:44:59.540 perfume so you never want to put anything on your skin that says that has perfume or fragrance in

00:45:03.200 it that's huge it's terrifying similarly with food natural natural flavors can can mean almost

00:45:09.300 anything right you don't want natural flavors in your food and you don't want fragrance in your

00:45:14.360 products folks wow this is an incredible we're covering a lot and you're changing my life so

00:45:19.160 i'm going to start viciously layering um i'm going to cross promote i'm going to use some of the

00:45:24.680 biologic research and i'm going to use the true botanicals and kind of see what happens and

00:45:29.460 there's something about the cleanliness of like when i travel when i used to travel before the

00:45:33.920 global pandemic that has ravaged um the world and that is to social and economic collapse

00:45:38.540 the main thing that i'm traveling with are my products like i have so many products so there's

00:45:43.620 something very clean for me about the idea of like these are my two bottles you know like i'm

00:45:48.440 looking at the vintner's daughter website i'm like the luxury it's the woman with the nightstand it's

00:45:52.400 the impeccable nightstand with the abalone shell it's like my here's my essence and here's my oil

00:45:56.980 or like here's my serum for travel okay and then at home maybe you then you have your all your

00:46:02.280 psychotic steps but the fantasy of well well i really want to be the woman with the nightstand

00:46:07.780 i mean it's like clean sheets it's like the parachute sheets and the and the you know the

00:46:12.900 open window and in the you know the slip dresses that cost three hundred dollars and the the 0.98

00:46:18.500 personal relationship to your vagina well there is a I mean the thing that I always feel like the 0.98

00:46:25.100 jealousy of is like I love that the kind of life I live basically like I tolerate mess so that I 0.99

00:46:34.940 can spend all day working on what I want to work on right and like what do you mean like the give

00:46:41.240 don't want to clean i don't want to clean i'd rather sit there working on the project whatever

00:46:44.660 right all day and so i've i've come to somewhat peace over that now now when i see anything from

00:46:51.960 like the 40s with her like night table and her robe you know like a robe even wearing like pajamas

00:47:00.900 of any kind a nightgown like like i don't do that you know what i mean like i like just strip down

00:47:08.940 or it's like naked i i i pretty much do too or unless i fall asleep like in something but but

00:47:15.400 i love slips i wear a lot of slips i know and i feel like you have some of that kind of

00:47:21.980 romantic woman i feel like you have some of that i don't know you just i do i definitely do and i

00:47:28.740 want to i gotta say robes though like i always am into the idea of like the silk robe and i tie it

00:47:34.580 and head out onto the balcony, okay, and sip my coffee in the morning.

00:47:38.620 But, like, a robe is actually, like, one of the most unpleasant things

00:47:41.800 because it's, like, even if you tie it off.

00:47:44.360 What about, like, a linen robe, like, a douan, like, gorgeous kind of linen,

00:47:47.760 like, French linen robe?

00:47:48.840 Oh, no, no.

00:47:49.520 I love the textures of any of that stuff.

00:47:52.640 The actual experience of being in a robe, it's, like, it's never closed.

00:47:56.060 Like, it never stays closed.

00:47:57.660 Like, if you tie it off, like, basically, like, the robe is there for me

00:48:00.820 because I don't feel like putting on clothes, right?

00:48:02.400 it's like i want to just like it's underwear and i want to wrap it around me and head out

00:48:06.360 i mean like not head out but not be worried about the neighbors right so like or the full

00:48:11.960 apartment complex you know what i mean that i'm in it's like it's not just like neighbor to the

00:48:15.320 right neighbor to the left so it's like yeah it's it's the panopticon and yet and yet it's

00:48:21.640 like you tie it tight but then it's slipping open under the tie-dye like like i need it

00:48:29.200 completely buttoning I need it buttoning across the way so it's like it's just like robe doesn't

00:48:34.560 really work robe only provides warmth it doesn't like I'd rather almost the hospital gown as the

00:48:39.900 robe where the front like if I turned a robe around and put my hands through the arms yeah

00:48:45.060 then at least as long as I'm when I'm facing the neighbors when I'm facing out I'm covered

00:48:49.660 yeah you know like but anyway I want to be the woman like like and so my grandmother like her

00:48:55.200 like apartment in New York City like it was incredibly beautiful like I don't even know

00:49:00.500 what the word just everything was beautiful and everything you know and and feminine and

00:49:05.520 and the vanity and it but I can't achieve that if I want to achieve what I enjoy which is

00:49:11.980 working on the thing whatever I'm working on all day to the exclusion of other things so I'll feel

00:49:17.860 jealousy be like i want that and then i'm like that's just not realistic for me for you i'm like

00:49:26.120 you ignoring that but then like writing your novel is one thing i'm like i'm still living in the mess

00:49:32.280 and i'm like i want to achieve that but what am i doing instead right i'm like well the old me

00:49:37.400 would have been scrolling although i am we're going to do a whole spiritual episode about this

00:49:41.700 but i am actively um moving away from social media as it has ravaged not only our social body

00:49:47.460 but our physical bodies and souls.

00:49:50.980 And so what am I doing?

00:49:52.680 But I have to stop being so cruel to myself.

00:49:55.320 I'm doing just fine over here.

00:49:57.320 Yeah, I mean, I was letting you express yourself.

00:49:59.760 I wasn't jumping in just to point out

00:50:02.240 how much you're doing.

00:50:03.220 No, no, but I see what you're saying completely.

00:50:05.120 But I suffer from the,

00:50:07.700 again, back to bringing it back

00:50:08.960 to kind of the thesis of Pug,

00:50:10.540 I suffer from the need to get the right oil.

00:50:13.260 And if I perfect the nightstand

00:50:14.440 and I have the oil diffuser

00:50:15.640 and I have all that,

00:50:16.420 that as some kind of marker of transcendence to this new realm where i am a more creative open

00:50:22.320 spiritually whole person right i know of course the work is is not that and i don't need any you

00:50:29.080 know we don't need any product or anything to achieve that but i um so believe that with the

00:50:35.640 right i want the doan robe and i want the is doan the hand cream a high-end brand i just am not

00:50:42.780 familiar oh wait is it d-o-y or d-o-e-n oh is it like gorgeous yeah um frocks and such

00:50:51.220 and i think i might need to invest in a dough and robe actually well yeah i mean i mean the

00:50:57.100 whole thing like the thrill i get like us you know soaring on caffeine whatever talking about

00:51:02.500 the products is absolutely about the adrenaline of you know like the thrill of me saying that you

00:51:08.820 shouldn't have been using oils right it terrifies you and yet it stimulates you it does it does

00:51:14.620 okay it's it's like it's like objection it's like the idea that you define yourself purely

00:51:19.520 through what that which you push away or repudiate right you have to jettison something in order to

00:51:25.340 then identify well like you know michael angelo you know i saw an angel in the stone and i carved

00:51:32.600 to set her free I love that okay like but I feel like for me skincare stuff and I fall in and out

00:51:41.340 of it I really do okay but for me it's a relatively safe addiction you know I'm saying so like yes I

00:51:50.760 do not pretend I know okay arrival at the perfect system right you know there'd be a sense of loss

00:52:00.020 okay what it's over now i mean totally i want to be in a constant state of discovery discovery

00:52:06.900 and i just i i do believe like when people accuse you kind of of you know you'll never like no one

00:52:15.380 says this but it would be like obvious to someone else that it's a compulsion that it's never ending

00:52:19.580 and i'm like yes and i know that yes and exactly and that's what hobbies can be um yes i mean

00:52:27.720 there's all manner of things that you can be frivolous with your money on you know i don't

00:52:32.800 know i feel like i'm always defending consumerism that's all we have obviously it's hell to interrupt

00:52:40.900 while the conversation is clearly soaring we're going to give it to you straight we recorded a

00:52:46.160 lot of skincare material because we're both of course obsessed with the topic so we split this

00:52:50.600 into two episodes so enjoy part two of skincare next time okay okay say goodbye to them kate say

00:52:57.200 Goodbye.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - November 24, 2020

Skincare Pt. 1

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