Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - March 31, 2026


Paris Again

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1 hour and 4 minutes

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12,962

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161

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7

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59

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00:00:00.000 Pags, eavesdroppers, free feeders as hinted changes afoot.
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00:00:11.600 In the meantime, our trove of special episodes celebrating the past 15 months of Berlant Novak continues.
00:00:18.800 Today, we're taking you behind the paywall to Paris.
00:00:22.340 To Paris.
00:00:22.880 To Paris.
00:00:23.500 Yes, every month we record a special bonus episode for our premium subscribers.
00:00:30.000 who fund our show you're about to hear one of their favorite bonus releases
00:00:35.400 this is from last april when we found ourselves in paris at the same time without further ado
00:00:42.180 please enjoy this special peek behind the premium curtain may it wet your palate your curiosity
00:00:50.240 because it is in fact a great time to go premium hint hint here is paris
00:01:00.000 are you shocked she's singing in hebrew no i'm not shocked all right anyway hi me running around
00:01:14.380 getting the afi coleman all right i found the afi coleman you're the youngest one
00:01:19.600 yeah me and chris were the children running around jacqueline found the afi coleman
00:01:26.280 um okay is that a bug yeah there's a weird beetle right there people are wondering
00:01:34.400 what the hell happened in paris okay so here we are paris welcome to paris to the paris bonus
00:01:43.840 episode i'm pulling up video just i'm pulling up photographic references well i just want to say
00:01:49.180 first of all just really quick i'm having the puffiest under eyes that i have and it sounds
00:01:54.920 exaggerated in my entire life i woke up like is this like i wake up one day and then this is just
00:01:59.880 hello no i know i know i had that a month ago where i go what okay because i always thought
00:02:07.360 you know anything you don't suffer from you think is they're doing something this is again one of my
00:02:12.520 core ideas we believe if something not really but if we believe if we don't have something it's
00:02:16.820 because we've oops we've done something right right and we're like so i guess that's not gonna
00:02:21.480 happened then one day you wake up right they're puffed out like two fish i couldn't believe it
00:02:26.340 i was like goldfish i sure i had a lot of olives and pickles last night but but that's business as
00:02:33.980 usual and some pet nat but like jesus now i am pulling up where it all began okay okay so first
00:02:42.440 i think we can tell a humorous version of the origin of the first part i have course read up
00:02:47.780 because that's of course i do think hysterical okay so here's the context some context i'm also
00:02:52.860 pulling up photos to for us to track the memory so jacqueline and i were both working in london
00:03:01.280 so this is great news and this is your perspective we'll do two perspectives okay we'll do two
00:03:07.340 perspectives we'll do two perspectives jack and i are both he said she said okay he said he
00:03:12.040 we're both working in london i have days off right so i was thinking to myself ahead of everything
00:03:19.820 like oh i should go to paris it's to our train ride whatever it could be cool but i also was
00:03:25.000 like am i really gonna do that you know it's kind of on the edge that was genuinely in your mind i
00:03:28.500 don't care if it wasn't before but it was truly in your mind yeah of course i've done it before
00:03:32.900 all right all right good good good jock has a stand-up show in paris and i was working the
00:03:39.600 day jacqueline had had her show so i was like well i won't be able to do that but see this is why
00:03:45.760 the memory's fading we were doing we were doing mine will trigger you okay go ahead you want me
00:03:51.220 to go yeah actually okay okay okay so you know we all get things in our minds right and we all live
00:03:59.500 trying to organize the chaos yes we do make choices great meaning whatever huge decision
00:04:06.540 whether or not chris is also going to london all this kind of stuff right it all comes down to
00:04:11.740 this idea that i'm going off to europe including london why to book the london shows to get away
00:04:16.640 from the world as i know it right to go to an anonymous place where i could work free with
00:04:22.440 the brits watching me and just a general sense of you know no one's watching you know i'm on a
00:04:29.300 different planet now it turned out that everyone i know seven colleagues family family members
00:04:34.800 everyone's in london same time whatever yeah you gotta let you know you gotta let it go so anyway
00:04:40.900 but i decided i was going this was a solo trip this was samurai mode which is when i need to be
00:04:46.560 in the eye not the we because with the partner there's an inherent we consciousness that i get
00:04:51.360 into yeah and to to i'm gonna be on stage alone with my show new show gotta think as an eye so
00:04:57.140 i've decided you know i've gotten into my head it was alone the whole time right and i want to say
00:05:02.260 this i don't know that i just want to come in and say i didn't know that right right no all right
00:05:07.400 that information came late okay yeah so also you were like why can't there was a period where i was
00:05:16.060 in sheer chaos um still in the states and as you know i mean the extent to which i don't plan except
00:05:24.240 for like okay i gotta leave for europe on monday like god can't find my passport you know that's
00:05:29.900 like real so Kate kept asking me what my dates were in London and because they weren't in front
00:05:33.200 of my eyes I could not answer right they were never in front of my eyes when she was asking
00:05:37.040 and so she's just like keep getting these texts like is there a reason you're unwilling to give
00:05:42.860 me your London dates right and and I'm like no no it's just like whatever it's it's soon I don't
00:05:48.180 know all to say it comes time Kate and I go to Lima HQ as people have seen as you've all seen
00:05:56.940 and we had a great conversation with with lucy which will be coming out as i think in some form
00:06:02.260 lucy the founder of lima yeah yeah where we pitched this concept and she loved it of groups
00:06:06.640 of friends going in on one lima town lima anyway so we're there kate's in front of me kate's feeling
00:06:14.040 the love okay she glances at me and she goes i can't believe we're not going to paris together
00:06:20.840 we're both here okay i just i just i can't believe we're both here okay and i go oh well you know
00:06:27.720 i'm trying to hold a boundary blah blah blah right not because and this is something i've been i don't
00:06:32.300 know if i've even had a chance to say it yet or i've said it three times and you were fixated on
00:06:35.640 something else and so it didn't pass through it's never that i think i'm gonna have a better time
00:06:41.960 without you i know that okay i know you're the drug i didn't and again i want to say i was
00:06:48.200 genuinely i didn't know the samurai mode i being alone essential carving carving out alone time
00:06:54.580 i'm gonna do this alone genuinely total respect for that i wasn't approaching it from that because
00:06:59.640 i was hearing maybe chris is gonna come maybe my mom's gonna come you know what i mean so i was
00:07:03.140 like so i and i had i had even said to you this thing of it's like alone is the standard but but
00:07:09.040 first dibs i was saying on because if my mother and it was unlikely if my mother was willing to
00:07:15.880 go to Paris and she's never been and I wanted to give her that option I would sacrifice the alone
00:07:20.460 for that and I would I would have to at least give Chris in my mind another shot okay for for us to
00:07:27.040 experience Paris I've never been yeah whatever point is it's like two days before I'm going
00:07:32.780 we're together at Lima HQ yeah okay I'm in the moment I'm in the moment at Lima HQ okay Kate
00:07:38.580 lives a great life how does she do it she's constantly thinking ahead okay she's thinking
00:07:43.680 ahead she's thinking how can i enjoy tonight how can i enjoy tomorrow how can i enjoy next week
00:07:47.440 so and there's power in that okay so anyway i can't believe we're going to paris i feel my
00:07:54.660 stomach clench up with you know i'm disappointing kate will i will i be able to hold this boundary 0.99
00:08:00.660 of my vision of this whole thing blah blah blah and then and then you know or do i just say fuck 0.99
00:08:06.820 it because who fucking cares but then you know blah blah blah whatever so you're like i'm not 0.99
00:08:12.620 pushing it i'm not pushing it and then like you know a few minutes later you're like you're like 0.95
00:08:15.100 okay just one one pitch you know i can see in your eyes one pitch us in paris yeah this is really
00:08:21.080 haunted me you know you go memories for a lifetime yeah yeah memories for a lifetime okay two friends
00:08:26.860 in paris really you know like okay and it's like i'm the psychopath you know what i mean like that's
00:08:31.740 like so i sort of feel whatever we go to lunch after lima you know you're just you're no it's
00:08:35.940 fine you're like the book is closed wait night like you go the book is closed i go don't worry
00:08:41.680 you're free i'm not gonna i'm not gonna make you go to paris with me yeah okay but and then and
00:08:46.260 then you're like what is it something there was one moment where you're like it's closed
00:08:49.540 right at lunch like whatever and i was like guys like i really you know i feel bad so then
00:08:55.420 the next morning okay i and i'm like whatever the next morning i'm coming to paris okay text message
00:09:03.200 i'm coming to paris i am not i'm not gonna infringe on you right right i'll be there just
00:09:10.560 in case you want to hey get dinner like you're trying to be cash you know i'll be there yeah
00:09:17.440 yeah yeah but you're like but it's funny it's like i'm coming to paris you know what i mean so
00:09:21.460 so then i go well now okay now i mean this is like this is friendship to me okay yeah this is like
00:09:26.340 friendship this is family this is yeah this is real realness of going like well now my solitude
00:09:32.260 is at your expense you know like oh we're gonna be we're gonna be at dinner separately like a mile
00:09:37.020 away from each other how my solitude is and then bullshit because it's like i'm actively not having 0.70
00:09:42.780 dinner with my friend it's like you know it's like you know i'm not gonna do that whatever
00:09:48.460 i forget how how it all plays out but you were very respectful and as a result it ended up me
00:09:55.640 going all right where are we going to dinner no no it's actually even better it's even better
00:09:59.280 so i was like genuinely i was like she's having her thing i was like by the way i initially was
00:10:05.340 like oh wow me traveling home to paris that was also in my in my vision of this yes so i was like
00:10:11.700 this is for the best and i was even like you know what i was like and i said this to you later i
00:10:15.580 meant it i was like there's something really kind of cool and cozy about being like okay i'm traveling
00:10:19.080 to a city alone but jacqueline's there you know my hand gets chopped off or whatever
00:10:24.920 call her screaming it's like it's cozy like there's there's someone there
00:10:29.500 yeah okay so it's hysterical kate so i call three like your headphones three people's the call goes
00:10:37.540 out to three people you call nine you call three different emergency services to be witnessed when
00:10:41.640 your headphones died inexplicably i um oh yeah i know i'm talking um anyway that is okay i didn't
00:10:48.600 talk about it on the podcast my bose headphones oh you did bluetooth i did yeah oh of course i'm
00:10:53.320 referencing for the listener the remember it was like i was like how many people did you text you're
00:10:57.220 like three three yeah like your mom john me or something um no but john would never be on for
00:11:07.040 that right right you wouldn't suffer no naomi yeah naomi my mom yeah um what was i saying oh 1.00
00:11:12.840 so i go okay this is fine so i book my thing i book my you know my fancy hotel i go fuck it 0.98
00:11:20.200 night in paris alone you know splurge i take the train in i'm absolutely euphoric i get off 0.84
00:11:27.120 the train and i'm i'm in you know i'm in paris it's it's noon and i get a text from jacqueline
00:11:34.460 uh you make it in oh or something like that i was there i went there the night before
00:11:39.960 yeah i forgot you were already there i was already in so she's at my airbnb you make it in
00:11:45.080 and i was like yes it's unbelievable and by the way the paris the weather was just i mean it was
00:11:50.560 the most beautiful it was shocking so i was like yes i'm here it's unbelievable i didn't say and
00:11:55.820 And then moments later, Jacqueline texts me, lunch, question mark.
00:12:00.360 Or it's either lunch, question mark, or like, want to meet up.
00:12:03.240 And I just was like, it brought me joy.
00:12:06.740 Because truly, I was not expecting it.
00:12:09.460 I know, I know.
00:12:10.820 I thought maybe, maybe, maybe she'll want to get a drink tonight or something.
00:12:14.600 I don't know.
00:12:15.120 But I was expecting to spend the full day alone into the evening.
00:12:19.640 Jacqueline, lunch.
00:12:20.140 I was almost like, do I dare ask?
00:12:22.340 And then I was like, will she be pissed?
00:12:24.040 but now and i was and i was so excited i immediately say because i i she's staying
00:12:30.740 in the marae i'm staying in the first i'm like there's a there's a lunch place that i've heard
00:12:37.020 have to go to um and and called shay omar folks keep it keep it in your heart happens to be a
00:12:46.600 couple blocks from where jacqueline's staying i'm going here and then even because i i want to keep
00:12:50.680 you know pressure light i go i'm going here for lunch right feel free see that is so good because
00:12:55.540 it's it puts nothing on me in terms of like you're gonna be happy regardless that's like
00:13:00.800 that's what i want from people right like i'm going to be happy to enjoy lunch at omar 0.94
00:13:05.080 and i'm sort of catching a ride or not you know what i mean yeah if i don't get my shit together
00:13:10.480 in time you're not ruined yeah yeah no so i go to shay omar which is um and i was like jacqueline's
00:13:17.700 gonna like this because it's moroccan food or it's like you know gonna be easily vegetarian
00:13:21.660 vegan whatever so it's like a traditional french brasserie i don't know the difference between a
00:13:27.840 bistro and a brasserie i don't speak french i know it's not the culture right now so i go and
00:13:33.540 i'm immediately in ecstasy because it couldn't be more french it's two o'clock there's a french
00:13:38.500 woman uh drinking rosé having a long what i assume to be a long lunch alone there's i think
00:13:45.480 one other couple there is very sparse i go in there's a man seated near the window oh yeah
00:13:51.700 there is seems like yes there is regular certainly is an older gentleman so i go in there
00:13:58.360 and my broken french being beyond broken i can all like all i can say is i don't speak french
00:14:04.320 and uh uh monsieur uh you know he seats me in the corner i'm white 0.83
00:14:15.320 tablecloth beautiful and i go why can't we fucking have this in america why can't we have this in 0.87
00:14:22.020 america i'm sitting there now and i said i mean eventually jacqueline joined me obviously but 0.90
00:14:26.360 one of the details i go open your ears silence no sound they're not blasting discover weekly
00:14:33.700 they're not blasting the maitre d's discover weekly playlist there's no there's it's just
00:14:40.400 quiet oh yeah yeah it's just quiet you hear the clank of a few dishes and yeah the breeze rolling
00:14:47.980 past he brings me and this sounds like i'm i tend to speak hyperbolically i'm not speaking
00:14:53.180 hyperbolically one of the most delicious meals i've ever had so simple huge plate and by the way
00:14:59.820 this i think caught this was under 20 bucks like huge plate of couscous and my friend i'm not a big
00:15:06.740 glam person okay it's not really my thing my friend was like get the merguez i said okay i
00:15:11.000 get the merguez these three links of merguez un-fucking-believable and a bowl a big steel
00:15:19.320 looks like sterling silver it's not but like that kind of a thing yeah steel bowl with a ladle
00:15:25.380 of this stewed vegetable brothy stuff heaven and so there you are and then a big bowl and you make
00:15:34.480 your own couscous marcus i mean i'm craving it it was i want it now inexplicably delicious i mean
00:15:39.440 it was so simple everything about it so perfectly i i could have cried pretense to the whole thing
00:15:44.580 he slammed it down yeah we were talking about why can't we have this you know the whole thing
00:15:50.860 right no no so so i'm sitting there i'm already starting to eat i'm in the next
00:15:54.360 it's heaven i'm blocks away literal blocks so this for me is an amazing this for me
00:16:00.460 is the peak of happiness which is i'm sitting there alone you might say but jacqueline's on
00:16:08.680 the way and i'm eating great food right you're getting both you're getting both exactly you're
00:16:13.400 getting a little practice as a little woman alone exactly look look she didn't even show up i'd be
00:16:18.220 fine i'd be fine and then then i do comes jacqueline she sits down i put on we are by the 0.82
00:16:24.900 way matching oh my god slob but i i dashed a little red color across my lips just you know
00:16:33.060 we're in paris i want kate to feel something incredible what a sweet detail both in green
00:16:37.660 sweaters you're in your archer sweater we are in my no actually i want to say there's a different
00:16:43.420 detail here which is that it wasn't until we left oh yeah and you like a sister you said do you mind
00:16:48.740 if i wear this green sweater because we'll be matching right if i take off my coat even i think
00:16:53.220 hot it was like do you want to take this off our twins were both wearing green and there was
00:16:59.200 something else that made us look alike just our heads i don't know probably but jacqueline
00:17:03.340 orders the veggie the couscous with the vegetable stew and it wasn't not just spectacularly
00:17:11.300 delicious see because here's the thing um couscous right i'm not always ordering the couscous in life
00:17:19.160 no at all right almost to a point of do i like couscous okay this experience this was couscous
00:17:27.760 okay this was what couscous was about the whole time and then what was amazing is you know we're
00:17:35.660 glancing around we're doing a cute thing with the waiter i and i'm trying to use use i'm look i love
00:17:40.660 language okay i love to learn it's very sweet jacqueline speaking french it's gone it's gone
00:17:44.420 okay it's gone it would come back if i studied again but i was telling gait i won contests in
00:17:48.520 high school now where is it you know i was actually resentful of my teacher like like what was it all
00:17:53.680 for years of study and now can barely do anything but i like to stretch with what i have because i
00:18:02.060 think they'll be so delighted wait if i don't stop that it's gonna do it every 10 minutes
00:18:05.160 okay she's stopping something
00:18:09.120 i'm already imagining that paris is forced to become a double like it's forced to become next
00:18:17.340 speaks also because like well it might be it's fine good it might be too good so cross my mind
00:18:23.380 okay keep going that couscous you're talking about speaking french we're there sorry
00:18:27.480 so we're there i'm like stretching with you know and i want to say something that i cannot speak 0.94
00:18:35.760 yeah yeah there's this big thing about paris the french are rude and it's like i mean kind of sure 0.77
00:18:41.740 i actually don't find british people to be any more fucking polite i gotta be honest
00:18:45.760 there's this thing of it's intimidating it's the french waiter but jacqueline is you know 0.97
00:18:52.740 struggling through her french he's charmed she's being sweet she's like when you try supposedly
00:18:57.900 yes of course when you act like they should just speak english did you notice he was like kind of
00:19:02.940 speaking french to me like he thought that i knew french maybe and that's like you were silent
00:19:08.940 almost like you're silent respectfully letting a little girl try yeah yeah and then so because he
00:19:14.280 said something to me in french and i and i and i in this weird way kind of went like nodded like
00:19:19.600 yeah like i didn't want to break the illusion that's just that i was actually could speak
00:19:24.420 french way less than you but the point is we're there it's it's heaven we're having our meal
00:19:30.100 there's a man we're looking around we're starting to connect with people okay the waiter we're having
00:19:34.180 connection we look over there's this other guy who seems to be sort of one of these guys that
00:19:38.460 you know they sit in the cafe all day in europe they're looking around they're looking at the
00:19:42.020 people if there's tourists in there they're kind of like they might get into a conversation with
00:19:44.840 tourists they're kind of just like living like waiting to see what's next who rolls in they're
00:19:49.080 ready to talk you know what i mean he's got it seems like that yeah it seems like is he trying
00:19:53.920 to talk to us and are we kind of into it right so what happened i want to say we're paying oh no
00:20:00.640 first of all i just want to say brings over the best espresso i've ever had in my life yeah and
00:20:05.500 without because you know the whole thing the culture of i like some hot milk right she she
00:20:11.200 will ask the guy at the hotel door early poog right excuse me excuse me i'm so sorry but do
00:20:17.800 you think i could have this steamed yeah remember yeah little guy goes down i think we were together
00:20:22.120 for that it was great anyway what happens they went he's asking for the hotel he brings the
00:20:26.660 room service and you go oh yeah well here's the thing to me i go i go guys take the extra step
00:20:34.640 it's the difference between pleasure and disappointment in what in what world do you 1.00
00:20:40.040 order milk with hot coffee and the milk arrives fresh out of the fridge cold well you fuck the 0.89
00:20:47.000 temperature of the coffee i mean it's just it's insane anyway so i always have really of cooling 0.88
00:20:51.600 down the coffee splash splash i think it's american laziness since in the cities of america
00:20:56.900 i just mean like i think that's where people make the idea that it's okay go on it's not laziness
00:21:01.000 i said something else it's okay but the point is we ordered a couple coffees a little bit of
00:21:06.840 milk on the side you helped me order the milk on the side i'm expecting him to roll his eyes he 0.97
00:21:11.600 doesn't here appears two espressos and a fucking vessel of steamed milk little sidecar and i go 0.87
00:21:19.260 and it was the coffee was absolutely exceptional it was out of this world it sounds i'm sorry it 0.94
00:21:24.360 was just it was amazing okay so then we're paying and this the older gentleman the regular as we
00:21:32.280 assume yeah comes over on his cane he's got a hat on and i noticed he goes he makes some comment
00:21:37.240 because it's american express this all going in the american express ad that we hello hire us
00:21:42.660 hello mx um and then he makes some reference to the way like american express like says something
00:21:48.280 about american did you catch that says something to the waiter like like what i'm what i'm assuming
00:21:53.480 is like we take america like you take american express something and the waiter kind of like
00:21:57.440 puts his arm kind of shrugs it off whatever we pay the guy starts maybe speaking in french like
00:22:03.560 you or says to you like do you speak french or like and we play let's speak french let's practice
00:22:07.900 he he immediately sits down he pulls up a chair and i go i'm a little nervous about it just because
00:22:12.920 i'm like how am i gonna like get out like i was a little bit like i was charmed because it was
00:22:19.100 like oh that's fun but i was also like that's a little bold he pulls up a chair we start talking
00:22:24.440 i start to because i i figured out before you this is his place he's the owner folks he's the
00:22:34.460 owner of shay omar he's not just a regular and then he and then i start to speak and then because
00:22:40.460 i don't speak a word of french suddenly comes out uh he's spanish 0.84
00:22:49.040 i'm like he has a fucking he had a restaurant in williamsburg brooklyn oh yeah which i still have 0.92
00:23:01.780 to look into the shackle i know because you remember i'm like was it called shay omar 0.98
00:23:05.760 there was a moment where people were losing their mind over a particular place is couscous
00:23:10.900 right yes maybe that was even was that one of the heights of the couscous frenzy
00:23:16.620 I'm looking it up right now 1.00
00:23:18.660 because I can't bear to
00:23:19.980 you gotta know
00:23:21.060 I don't know what's going on
00:23:23.880 we'll drop into the episode
00:23:25.920 my video from Shea Omar 1.00
00:23:27.400 because what does Jacqueline Novak do 0.77
00:23:30.380 I'm a filmmaker 0.93
00:23:31.020 I grab footage
00:23:33.820 whenever I can
00:23:35.800 me and Kate
00:23:37.620 I got it on the way to the place
00:23:38.900 unbelievable
00:23:41.220 that's video of course
00:23:42.420 that's the sound of Shea Omar
00:23:45.520 I've really got to step it up for the French.
00:23:47.200 I've been to him. 1.00
00:23:48.080 The din. 0.86
00:23:48.600 The din of Chez Omar.
00:23:49.940 So we have this interaction with him. 0.99
00:23:52.280 We're sailing.
00:23:53.100 He tells us he pays $14,000 a month in rent.
00:23:55.640 We're like, 14,000 freaking euro.
00:23:58.160 Like, yeah, I believe it.
00:23:59.500 It's Paris.
00:24:00.160 You're in the Marais.
00:24:01.240 So we leave.
00:24:03.300 We're ecstatic.
00:24:04.280 The waiter loves us.
00:24:06.060 Oh, oh, we had an interesting moment.
00:24:07.900 So I had this, like, realization, okay,
00:24:10.780 which is you got to be careful as a tourist, okay?
00:24:12.540 It's not what you think I want to say. 0.98
00:24:13.540 you get afraid to look look the fool okay and so we almost didn't go into this park oh yeah 0.94
00:24:20.900 because there was a little gorgeous park opposite shayomar yeah little little gate a little closed 0.89
00:24:26.560 gate and we go oh i guess maybe it's not open we're too afraid to go over and pull on the park
00:24:31.660 it's only for the residents yeah exactly but we go no i'm not gonna be afraid i walk over
00:24:35.640 pulling the gate it opens into the park we go it's glorious we're taking photos in front of
00:24:40.320 cherry blossoms because i'll share those as well with the gate yeah yeah going we're dragging on a
00:24:48.340 on a gate that isn't meant to be opened paris is in bloom and i have to say so many gorgeous men
00:24:53.000 i really was like this is so interesting like i don't know if the men were friends here but i
00:24:57.680 just see i'm seeing a lot of really well-dressed men in their late 40s 50s that are making me
00:25:04.580 confused isn't that the promise of paris isn't that what they promised us europe was and then
00:25:09.500 i know and i always thought that wasn't real yeah or maybe that was in the 60s or something
00:25:13.740 i don't know it seemed to be well here was the big the big thing that we talked about i think
00:25:18.160 was significant and here's what we longed for and said why aren't we you know you're part of
00:25:22.740 something bigger than yourself you're a parisian if you're a parisian right and your life inherently
00:25:27.860 has romance whatever the hell your job is whatever the hell okay you you have an identity you are
00:25:34.360 part of the fabric of of being a parisian in this way now i think new york has that in a different
00:25:39.400 way yeah you're like if you do nothing in this life but be a new yorker pretty good right yeah
00:25:44.220 totally but the entire just the cafe culture the people i mean every corner people enjoying each
00:25:52.140 other's company we walked by teenagers making out oh yeah i was like american teenagers aren't
00:25:58.640 making out we walked through teenagers in a in a little doorway yeah tonguing each other down i was
00:26:05.240 like this is so i was like oh my god paris so we go to a vintage store kate's in shopping mode
00:26:12.100 reminds me much of turks and caicos when i came up with a strong shell from under the water and
00:26:17.560 down she went diving remember when you were shopping underwater yeah looking for a shell
00:26:22.100 to bring home anyway but here we were actually in a store we were in the first we were in a
00:26:26.800 vintage store it's called nice piece vintage i got a couple i got a couple purses there over
00:26:32.120 the years yeah and you got some earrings you're looking at you're going well no no i know i mean
00:26:38.120 you've got some in your hands in the store i didn't forget i guess this is another huge moment
00:26:42.140 for the friendship not really but okay you know you're wondering about these earrings you even
00:26:48.420 tell me bonds yeah clip-ons you tell me they got clip-ons here so starting mushrooms the whole
00:26:52.920 time right they've got clip-ons here i don't have my ears pierced it's meant to be right
00:26:57.220 You go, you know, sometimes I can't dress myself.
00:26:58.860 Sometimes I can't dress myself.
00:26:59.720 Sometimes I'll pick something out and it's hideous, okay?
00:27:02.420 Right?
00:27:03.060 Yeah, but I'm looking at these earrings and I'm going,
00:27:05.400 are these fabulous or are they, like, bad?
00:27:08.180 Can't tell.
00:27:09.920 And the truth is, it all, you know, it's art, right?
00:27:15.200 Who knows?
00:27:15.840 Exactly.
00:27:16.720 And I'm pulled by the romance.
00:27:18.300 It's contextual, it's everything.
00:27:19.640 And I'm like, I want to buy.
00:27:21.300 Because I'm like, I am in Paris.
00:27:23.540 And I'm like, here are the earrings that I bought.
00:27:25.340 You know, I was motivated.
00:27:26.580 And when I decided, let me think about them.
00:27:28.860 I snap like, you know, 14 photos of myself in them.
00:27:33.000 And there's also something interesting that's happening.
00:27:34.700 No, no one I send them to.
00:27:35.700 Time difference.
00:27:37.180 The time difference.
00:27:38.840 Yeah, I go, oh, I can't really send these to.
00:27:41.220 See, you send with the expectation that you'll get an instant response.
00:27:43.800 I mean, I guess so do I in a lot of scenarios, but I also don't.
00:27:47.160 Anyway, point is, like, I would fire it off, let it arrive at 3 a.m. for them in the morning.
00:27:52.400 Yeah.
00:27:53.040 Anyway, go on.
00:27:53.980 So we leave.
00:27:54.720 now we strike off i don't remember what you want whatever we find our way around we're just
00:28:00.140 strolling at this point oh but the funny thing about you your personality so as you posted
00:28:03.660 online right the whole your personality characteristics were on display like never
00:28:08.040 before right yeah it was like like what i mean well well you were in this state of what i think
00:28:16.640 was i mean i think you were joyful i think right joyful beyond right elated almost manic joy
00:28:24.260 Right. So that's, yeah. So the speed, so you were walking at a speed, like you were, you were tilted into the wind. Okay. And, and, and, you know, it's that thing where then I would almost, cause you know, it's weird to sort of forcefully be the one like walking slow.
00:28:43.020 I'm so glad you would be like, let's slow down. Right. But I didn't even notice, but it was even once we had, we almost didn't have a destination. Although I think you kind of wanted a destination. I think you.
00:28:53.180 no no no we didn't have that we were truly just strolling right when it got to the word just
00:28:58.020 strolling there what flanier flanner you know flanier yeah just strolling yeah so you start
00:29:09.780 slowing me down you're like and i'm i'm like oh my god of course like let me no but jacqueline you
00:29:14.720 left me the funniest you remember what you said because you need to say it how you described the
00:29:19.300 pace i was walking i don't remember you said i'm gonna find it on voice note you said you were
00:29:26.920 walking at the pace of my mother's about to get on a flight i'm not gonna see her for 12 years
00:29:31.980 and need to get to the airport in time i don't want to injure people around me i don't want to
00:29:36.420 walk so fast that i like not people over health threat but i need to get there yeah focused like
00:29:44.180 i'm staying calm because actually only calmness will serve me now like but i am like i'm gonna
00:29:48.640 move around these people in this way that's just okay you know like i'm gonna i'm gonna let's all
00:29:54.380 stay calm we're gonna move quickly but we're not gonna we're not gonna lose our limbs yeah yeah
00:29:59.260 and then really not make it yeah your eyes are darting around you know and it's it's very
00:30:04.920 interesting because and every we're pausing about every doorway we're gonna look at that
00:30:09.120 the colors that i mean everything and that is when listen traveling alone having an experience alone 0.98
00:30:14.660 its own kind of euphoria absolutely taking it in alone but some shit you want to share it you 0.97
00:30:20.400 wanted to go on now had i moved yet i can't remember yes you had just moved but you still 0.90
00:30:25.680 had the key to the old airbnb which was but i think that's the next day kate because we didn't
00:30:30.880 hang out the next day we didn't hang out the next day no that was the day you had moved to the new
00:30:35.720 hotel so was i already there two nights whatever it doesn't matter point is so i you know i step
00:30:42.480 outside of my place in london my place that's connected to the laslett their apartments love
00:30:47.100 them yeah anyway i think i recorded in their space you've seen it i pack up i step outside
00:30:54.380 now i go i gotta get to paris that's the way i can do it linearly and this is why me alone
00:30:58.860 actually works for add no one else it would be chaos the night before people would be asking
00:31:03.160 i can't think about that in my last show right all i can only think about the thing ahead of me
00:31:06.840 so i go i gotta pack okay i packed now i'm gonna get outside i get outside the room i've done the
00:31:13.020 thing i'm out by the time i'm supposed to be out now i gotta get to paris how am i getting to paris
00:31:16.600 train ride right got it get my trainer okay where am i staying right and actually the night before
00:31:22.420 i booked really speedy a little flat okay a little looked like bungalow floor level garden level
00:31:28.560 just sort of parisian dream you're you're an artist you know that's your space whatever
00:31:33.000 and i could tell it was charming people loved it whatever and i was like oh because i've been
00:31:38.820 looking at a lot of hotels and going this is a huge thing if i'm going to shell out for luxury
00:31:45.280 i kind of want to do the research right if if there's no money if money's not an object for 0.79
00:31:50.160 some reason okay i would just i'd say fuck it and book one and whatever right but i don't want to 0.89
00:31:55.440 spring for it and then be bummed and i want to say that you've landed on because i texted my friend 0.90
00:32:00.940 who spent a long time in paris over the years really trust her takes i was like where do you
00:32:05.160 like to stay and she was like well she was like expensive but like fabulous is chateau voltaire
00:32:13.120 where i ended up going and she was like i really love this place called the sinner in the marae
00:32:18.540 people make fun of me because that's what it's called and it's vaguely sex themed but the rooms
00:32:23.700 are gorgeous that's where you ended up saying they changed change of hands same property but
00:32:29.300 It's now called Experimental Marais.
00:32:31.880 Yeah.
00:32:32.180 I think the sex stuff is obviously gone.
00:32:34.880 Yeah.
00:32:35.460 Like, it's still, like, yeah.
00:32:37.660 By the way, there's a masseuse there.
00:32:39.040 I tell you this later. 0.87
00:32:40.120 Yeah. 0.99
00:32:40.440 That there's a masseuse that had been working there when it was the sinner,
00:32:43.180 who I had two friends the masseuse made come from massage.
00:32:47.580 Not, no physical touch to the genitals, 1.00
00:32:50.880 but I guess massaging around the thighs made two people come. 1.00
00:32:55.380 That's, that's.
00:32:56.540 Is that not insane?
00:32:57.580 Insane.
00:32:58.120 Now, did the first one just happen
00:33:00.100 and the second one went in with the expectation?
00:33:02.480 It's a really good question.
00:33:03.500 No, I think it was crazier than that.
00:33:05.380 Like, that was a place people were staying
00:33:07.500 and then it was like, yeah, I had quite the massage.
00:33:10.700 Like, I had quite the massage.
00:33:11.780 Like, I came, I came too.
00:33:12.720 Do you think they're a, like, wizard?
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00:33:40.840 bodies i never thought my cleaning routine for my house had anything to do with plastic exposure
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00:35:42.560 so this is okay so so i get to my airbnb the night before right i go in and two things i love
00:35:49.600 about it huge old building right and it's humongous you know beautiful right where you have to step
00:35:55.460 over this was the thing i'm fixated on in some certain european where the door at the bottom
00:36:00.420 is like stepping through a window because they got to protect from floods right so you step over
00:36:04.220 the threshold to go in go into my little thing it looks like a window with shutters but actually
00:36:08.580 oh there's a door behind there go in it's it's beautiful it's beautiful it's tiny it's a bed
00:36:13.240 it's a bathroom but but it's it's teeny tiny it's it's it's yeah it's as tiny as you can get
00:36:19.940 but they've really done a good job with you know using the space and making it like okay the shower
00:36:25.200 is right there but the floor they do a little separation where they have these tiles that kind
00:36:28.620 of a diagonal that make oh this is the bathroom this is whatever it's totally great and all of
00:36:34.340 that but you know i was alone and oh right of course because i didn't spend the night and it
00:36:41.060 was funny it was like the and they had this great lighting fixture so you go these people get it
00:36:45.640 right and they did but the pillows for me glancing at them looked a little sad and something about
00:36:52.280 you arrived there at night you had arrived the previous which is a huge issue arriving at night
00:36:57.460 to any location is hard to be a hotel it can feel creepy now yeah it's gotta be really really nice
00:37:04.260 to not feel weird so particularly if you're not arriving you're arriving to an airbnb alone at
00:37:08.800 night to me that's hell because arriving late to hotel at least there's someone there hi welcome
00:37:13.660 you know i call chris right we do the whole he goes this looks incredible i go i know can you
00:37:17.720 believe this this is a dream i'm an artist whatever right yeah we do the whole thing he goes i want to
00:37:22.020 live i go you think it's all right right you know he goes yeah we should move in find out how much
00:37:25.860 can we live there you know i'll come to paris we'll live there the whole thing right and then
00:37:30.020 i start to go okay i just start to go and i start to look and i go i think i'm getting out of here
00:37:36.280 now it was so cheap because it was like 500 bucks for i don't know whatever that i actually said i 0.96
00:37:44.460 don't care if i can't get it back or get some of the nights back or whatever yeah i'm fuck it okay 0.71
00:37:49.940 i'd you know and so i look up a lot of places have 24 hours too like you probably only lost 0.89
00:37:55.480 at night yeah it's worth or whatever yeah and i'm going yeah it was like 80 bucks i mean you know
00:37:59.540 and so then i see i look experimental moray i go i'm headed over there i'm just okay and i go i'm
00:38:08.380 not even gonna say anything to chris yet i'm gonna i take a cab i book it i go over there it's like
00:38:12.900 11 30 at night or something the guy was a dream okay the guy at the desk he was exactly what you
00:38:17.460 want he was he was french but he was but he was totally welcoming he it was almost like you know
00:38:22.320 I was a traveler, you know, who had finally made it in.
00:38:25.400 Oh, no, we're so happy you're here.
00:38:27.120 Yes, you do it.
00:38:27.700 Okay.
00:38:28.620 And he takes me up and he shows me all the things.
00:38:31.300 Rooms, they just, you know, it's similar to what I liked about the Lotte in Seattle where they have art, you know, art and frames kind of leaning, like almost like a home, like just like leaning against the thing.
00:38:44.680 There's different elements.
00:38:46.160 There's choices being made.
00:38:47.860 There's a vibe. 0.85
00:38:48.600 and I can understand why the sinner why it was like a sexual hotel because the bathroom is sort 0.99
00:38:54.240 of this tiled you know world unto itself you know what I mean windowless whatever but 0.98
00:39:01.780 and I go yes okay it's big it's a big bed with a big puffy okay there's eight pillows and the
00:39:08.580 whole thing and so then I called Chris I put him I set up the shot I leaned the phone up against
00:39:13.340 the thing across from the bed FaceTimed him then got in position and so when he picked up
00:39:17.580 you just see me i jump i dive i fly through the air and i land on the pillory bed and he sees that
00:39:23.220 i've that i've changed okay yeah it's very me because this is how i do it right i go i change
00:39:28.600 i pivot i get what i want whatever and then and he's like and i'm like i know i know you wanted
00:39:35.040 to live in that other place he's like no it would have been hell for us to live in that other place
00:39:38.300 you know what i'm saying it's like so anyway it was one of the greatest upgrades i've ever done
00:39:44.100 next day kate's there and i go i still have my key that they haven't even responded about me
00:39:50.880 trying to get my thing back let me show you the whole place yeah so there we are right in my key
00:39:55.600 through the beautiful street to the marae and then jacqueline has this key we go in we we pee
00:40:01.020 i was like i gotta take a piss this is amazing yeah still my room um it's almost like you know
00:40:06.240 you know it'd be so deluxe you book a hotel in a city and then you book the cheapest airbnb you 0.51
00:40:12.860 can find but in a walkable part of town where you may want to hang out oh my god and that's your
00:40:17.600 toilet and that's where you drop off bags or jackets you're like okay well that's your locker
00:40:23.740 can you mean that's your locker space that's well i mean there are take a nap in the middle
00:40:28.540 it's interesting you gotta think this way it's like when i used to be like oh you could eat for
00:40:32.640 a week ordering off the sides menu of a restaurant okay yeah yeah where you're like like you know
00:40:37.900 what i mean like you gotta you gotta think this way it's like well guess what i'm going back to
00:40:41.460 paris and i well this is i'm looking to do it too because i'm going back and i booked i booked a
00:40:46.840 cheap airbnb in because jacqueline and i that night and i know we don't worry we're going to
00:40:52.280 cover every detail but at one point we're walking through sanjama sanjama and i can't even say it
00:40:57.080 yeah we're walking it's so beautiful we're looking up we're going look at this look at these places
00:41:01.220 i go oh yeah i got airbnb because chateau voltaire so much to talk about we're gonna have to do it
00:41:06.920 and i do have video of all these places at least so we're gonna have to do that can be dropped in
00:41:10.600 yeah but the point is i realized chateau voltaire was so gorgeous but expensive in this way where
00:41:15.260 i'm like i didn't really because i want to be out in the street you know yeah day in paris you know
00:41:19.140 you're not hanging out yeah i didn't even get room service breakfast i just got out of the room
00:41:22.760 so i was like if i'm going i'm going back to paris for two nights i'm doing a cheap airbnb in an
00:41:28.580 amazing part of town right that good enough reviews for me get out walk around it's just
00:41:35.360 it's a locker it's a sleep chamber it's not the place you're going to be hanging out particularly
00:41:39.980 no i think it was it was the right move in a thousand ways we learned a lot okay and and it
00:41:46.360 continues to be the case this is a novak principle of travel okay you can never say whether it is
00:41:53.320 definitively whether hotels are better than airbnbs or airbnbs are better than hotels
00:41:57.120 it depends it really depends which is always hard to hear but it's true it depends i mean i've booked
00:42:03.500 one i'm going to hudson for the week everyone will be hearing about that week yeah big time
00:42:09.500 writing immersion anyway but but we're gonna do that but with your editor physically no with my
00:42:17.080 friend not my my editor editor but physically we'll be working with my friend anyway we'll
00:42:21.800 talk about that but hold on we haven't even talked about dinner at the place from 1800s
00:42:28.920 okay so then i made so i made um a reservation at brasserie lip which is a classic people who
00:42:37.940 know if paris will go yes of course it's kind of a you can do no harm is what it like classic one
00:42:43.220 of the oldest no wrong again is it a bistro is it a brasserie i can't go you can't go wrong there
00:42:47.500 is the do no harm yeah my friend my two kind of paris people were like yeah yeah it's great
00:42:52.740 it's really it's like old classic french and you've never been to paris yeah yeah i mean so
00:42:58.200 yeah yeah jacqueline the rubin so i'm like here's a reservation i walk i mean this is the walk of
00:43:04.280 a lifetime and that's the thing that the Chateau Voltaire I walk maybe half an hour walk to the
00:43:08.940 restaurant going over the Seine I'm walking through whatever the hell that park is I'm
00:43:14.060 I mean it's just I was alive by the way I did something I was alive and this is the thing to
00:43:19.820 say one night one night in Paris you can have you can completely transcend get years back on your
00:43:25.560 life and be transported by one night and I and I'm here thinking no you can't by the way made
00:43:32.120 different by the fact it was a two-hour train ride a flight is hell you know i'm totally different
00:43:37.040 yeah so i get to the restaurant and i go in waiters a little scary to me or you know just
00:43:42.260 i'm intimidated is what i mean or checking in my friend's not here yet i'll wait outside he's like
00:43:47.160 okay i'm outside this this this guy kind of stumbles a little too strong for word but not
00:43:54.400 really like comes out he has a cocktail a glass cocktail glass in his hand i perceive him as being
00:44:00.080 in his late 50s gay kind of some plastic surgery something's going on and he's he comes out he sets
00:44:07.900 down his his cocktail he's fishing out for a cigarette and he starts and he's singing in 0.72
00:44:11.400 french i was like this is unbelievable i'm home yeah and i'm standing off to the side waiting
00:44:17.780 for jacklyn making a point of not being buried in my phone you know head up looking around yeah
00:44:21.800 and then i hear madame madame that's something i look over he's gesturing to me i go oh i say
00:44:29.280 my one phrase that i don't speak french right and he he and then he's immediately switches to um
00:44:35.660 english and he's like will you take a photo of me uh cafe de floors across the street
00:44:42.980 infamous uh cafe where we later went and he's like oh get in the cafe de floor and he's saying
00:44:49.140 don't get my keep my pot belly out of it and then i'm like okay so and then he goes but don't get
00:44:54.880 too close my wrinkles i mean i was it was heaven yeah i'm taking this photos of him and then the
00:44:59.340 the waiter comes out starts laughing starts they're they're chummy starts speaking to him in
00:45:03.500 french and then and then are we uh no no not waiter sorry the the maitre the host whatever
00:45:08.960 and then he's like taking me take a picture of me and him they want a picture of the two of them
00:45:14.700 i'm taking their picture and then he goes now i want a picture with you so he wants pictures with
00:45:19.620 me so me me and this guy posing in front of cafe de floor but i go bingo i've endeared myself to
00:45:26.520 the maitre d because i'm friend now i'm friends with them there he starts saying oh paris like
00:45:34.440 whatever and he was like to know paris all you have to do is walk this saint germain you know
00:45:39.460 all you have to do is walk this street you will know paris heaven he gives me a business card he
00:45:44.100 go stay in touch what's at me he he does he does hair and makeup i was like absolutely oh my god
00:45:50.640 kiss kiss kiss on the cheek i love the kissing on the cheek i just fucking love it and and then um
00:45:56.960 jack and i arrive i see kate yucking it up not except not that energy it's much more french yeah 0.58
00:46:02.580 yeah i'm gonna try to do a quick version of what went down okay so again we go by the way and again
00:46:11.100 And this is so me that I go in, I immediately go, oh, no, the lighting isn't exactly right.
00:46:16.060 Because it's not a fancy place.
00:46:17.740 It's a nice white tablecloth, but it's not like a dark, moody.
00:46:22.280 No.
00:46:22.580 Like, and initially I go, oh, no, is this not what I want?
00:46:28.140 Yeah.
00:46:28.400 But it became what I wanted because it was real.
00:46:30.520 Yeah.
00:46:30.680 You have to accept it on its terms and come to understand, oh, this is what it is because this is what it is.
00:46:36.340 And this is what's real.
00:46:37.000 If this is the classic place.
00:46:38.580 We are brought to the back where mirrors on the walls, mosaics, the classic fixtures, and we are French people on all sides, which is what you want.
00:46:46.120 There is a long table next to us, maybe eight, a family something, eight people, and they are French.
00:46:51.740 I think they were on vacation from somewhere, but they spoke.
00:46:55.320 The headline is, well, we had this easily vegan, you know, more or less, you know, I think it actually was, the couscous or whatever.
00:47:04.020 Yeah.
00:47:04.220 I don't think there was butter and anything.
00:47:06.000 It's easily sort of vegan, you know, lunch together.
00:47:08.580 whatever not really thinking about any of it not really worried about any of it whatever
00:47:12.480 we sit down and I guess in my mind I mean it's just about seeing Kate I'm not really
00:47:18.080 sort of like I'll figure something out I don't care I'll just even if I eat like some weird
00:47:23.260 side and then later get something you know but my intention is to hold on to my plant-based
00:47:28.760 existence right because you know it's like if me and Chris go on a romantic trip to Paris you know
00:47:35.180 and whatever maybe i retain this idea that for me food as a cultural experience still holds value
00:47:43.720 okay i mean duh but but where where something that i'm doing for health essentially i am willing to
00:47:52.280 i mean i'm still drinking booze we know that's a class one carcinogen right yeah yeah whatever so
00:47:57.800 i like my lifestyle overall how i do it i like my instant pot i like the whole thing
00:48:02.180 nutritarian when it's under my control but i just hadn't really thought it through and i
00:48:07.280 i i wasn't prepared this wasn't like the moment i was going to do it and so it's sort of like
00:48:14.020 this moment where i'm just trying out with the waiter just oh i'll just get a salad and a side
00:48:18.020 of the vegetable you know just this kind of thing and he's instantly like what like it's it's
00:48:22.520 you know for him and i'm even and even when i'm saying when i say i say vegan just to
00:48:26.960 i don't want to bring it up with them if i could navigate the menu without it
00:48:30.660 you know of course i'm just i'll just say vegan because they you know they know what that means
00:48:35.620 and but the problem is it triggers this moral thing for them that i'm this is my moral and i
00:48:42.700 have a problem with what you're doing here otherwise that's not it so it's a nightmare
00:48:46.720 it's me as a food lover it's just it just is tough so when i like to be someone that's all about
00:48:51.700 more food more whatever whatever so it feels out of line so i'm sitting there i'm having a lot of
00:49:00.260 anxiety we've ordered two you know um like salad whatever we Kate's got the you know thing coming
00:49:07.920 it just it's it's like it's chaos it's stressful it's chaos yeah I start spinning about oh my god
00:49:17.000 I can't do this like like I can't like you know my my plant-based lifestyle is like it I won't it
00:49:24.060 will never hold and I don't know it just is this moment here come the tears okay yeah I see her I
00:49:30.060 the tears i hear that i see the big wet tears yeah you feel he's he would hear the clench in
00:49:35.480 my throat yeah and there was also this is the thing i keep learning myself if two things are
00:49:41.040 happening simultaneously it's like a breakdown and i think this is add there was a second thing
00:49:45.680 happening which was chris was getting my meds in los angeles and dealing with like will the
00:49:51.720 insurance go through on these meds and then and then he's gonna send them to me and will they
00:49:56.120 get there in time so that's sort of unfolding and i know he's dealing with either the pharmacy or
00:50:00.200 the package so it becomes all right i'm gonna step outside because this is like now it's like
00:50:04.500 i've talked to the waiter said i'm vegan and i'm visibly crying okay yeah yeah i'm gonna call chris
00:50:09.340 because no no service in the restaurant and the pill thing i'm gonna call chris but what i really
00:50:16.120 needed from chris was comfort around the food thing as was revealed because it instantly turned
00:50:22.380 me around yeah in the meantime she's on the phone an aperol spritz drops on the table that i've
00:50:28.320 never seen this a long silver spoon is jammed into the aperol spritz ostensibly to mix up the
00:50:34.640 aperol at the bottom so you don't i mean it's a small detail i've never seen that before i know
00:50:38.500 it's beautiful okay so i got to chris did you get the pills yes whatever blah blah and i go
00:50:44.680 i'm in a french restaurant i just don't know if i can do it chris yeah yeah i don't know if i can
00:50:50.500 too vegan here or whatever yeah he goes enjoy yourself it's like you know what i mean like
00:50:56.800 just what are you you know like and i'm like well i didn't want to betray you and all we've done
00:51:01.080 together okay yeah yeah yeah whatever enjoy yourself whatever whatever i go all right 0.99
00:51:05.380 yeah fuck it what why am i whatever i go back in okay i go fuck it okay we're going the other way 1.00
00:51:13.900 call the waiter over okay and i go i go and then i get in my broken french okay i'm trying to call 1.00
00:51:20.080 je suis à Paris, je ne suis pas vegan.
00:51:24.620 Okay.
00:51:25.320 It's the only way to go.
00:51:26.340 She's trying to make clear, not vegan anymore.
00:51:28.060 It's like I'm changing.
00:51:29.720 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:51:30.900 Well, it's like what you had presented earlier is like a true restriction,
00:51:35.720 a true difficulty navigating the menu.
00:51:37.200 How do we do this?
00:51:38.280 And then you come back in and he initially gets annoyed because he's like,
00:51:42.680 wait, are you trying to change what you ordered?
00:51:44.880 Like, it's too late.
00:51:46.340 I can't change.
00:51:46.920 It's coming.
00:51:47.460 Right.
00:51:47.600 And then you're like, no, no, no, no.
00:51:50.080 add something add something so i say to jacklyn because i got this i got you know what i love i
00:51:54.980 got a steak free poiv you know yeah so i'm like gonna get a steak jacklyn oh no if he first goes
00:52:00.480 oh thank you thank you thank you i look at him i go what's your favorite thing okay because first
00:52:07.740 he kind of gets this smirk because first he goes because he goes okay so what are you getting steak
00:52:12.860 almost like you know what are we going for it i go sure or and then i go what he goes um um uh
00:52:18.980 you know um foie gras stuffed sausage he's he's almost like playing with me in that he's giving
00:52:26.240 the most you know meaty things you could possibly say i go well what's your favorite and then he
00:52:31.480 smirks he goes the veal he's trying to play with you a former vegan eating veal right what's the
00:52:36.980 opposite of veganism and then you go you kind of go sure right you're like i'm sure and then
00:52:42.120 and then you say what's your favorite and then he gets this real smile on his face and he says 0.97
00:52:48.280 the pig's feet and jacqueline novak jacqueline fucking novak goes okay great and i'm really 0.93
00:52:58.580 and i kind of go jacqueline you know i'm sort of like talking to you i gotta go yeah i'm like 0.98
00:53:02.320 get a steak get something i'm gonna get a roast chicken get something you know don't
00:53:06.080 pig's foot he's off you've ordered the pig's feet which was like my mother grew up eating
00:53:11.260 you know so i was like that's so so real of you now why did i do this i just want to because you
00:53:18.180 know there might be um plant-based listeners crying at home and that's fine okay but to me
00:53:22.780 it's like if i'm eating for culture if i'm picking something that's in there go full bourdain
00:53:28.880 jacqueline bourdain yeah if i'm eating for culture i don't need a steak i've had a million steaks in
00:53:33.160 my life i'm yes of course a steak poivre you know paris sure right but if i'm eating for culture
00:53:38.720 let me have the most yeah do the thing right it's it's and so and i don't even care and i accept it
00:53:46.720 i go kate it might i go my only concern because you were like what's gonna arrive at the table
00:53:51.560 you know and i don't know i didn't ask i didn't go is it gonna feel like a piece of meat or is
00:53:55.000 it gonna feel like a hoof okay bone yeah and i accepted i go my my only concern is if it's
00:54:01.380 something like there's toenails and and am i supposed to eat those or leave them as a plate
00:54:05.620 and i don't want to look like a fool in which case i'll ask him do i eat those okay so i just
00:54:10.420 i accept whatever it is i am ingesting i'm so impressed so then it arrives i'm gonna i'm
00:54:16.640 gonna skip right to the end which is jacqueline novak ate every last bite of the pig's feed don't
00:54:26.220 forget i was there was one bite oh oh i know oh i know i didn't jacqueline's eating them and i'm
00:54:33.120 just like i'm so impressed i'm just i'm floored and by the way she's not making a big deal of it 0.98
00:54:38.000 she's not oh boy here i go bite number one she is just eating it she is just fucking eating it and i 0.82
00:54:43.920 i am amazed i'm impressed it's i've never ever seen no no i was like this is and you really 0.97
00:54:51.120 didn't understand you're like what like like and it wasn't a show like you you were just like well
00:54:54.540 i mean yeah i'm gonna eat it you're like yeah it tastes like you know and then you're like do you
00:54:59.760 want a bite and i and then here comes my mother in my head i'm like i should have a bite you know
00:55:04.360 like my my mother loved pig's feet her mother made them all the time like you know spanish food
00:55:09.800 and i'm just like by the way i'm eating a steak so this is a weird thing of like well what could 0.96
00:55:15.260 there's no difference between eating a steak and a pig's foot but i fucking can't do it and you even 0.86
00:55:20.320 take a little bite for me and you put it on my plate i'm like i see a little gelatinous or 0.98
00:55:25.500 something i'm like i just can't fucking do it like i just can't do it it's too far for me stayed on 0.92
00:55:30.040 the plate it stayed on then i go do you want me to remove it back from your plate so it doesn't 0.97
00:55:33.740 look like you projected some pig's foot but you go and you're i i've never impressed you more okay
00:55:39.560 and it was it was thrilling because it wasn't me trying to do anything impressive so no she wasn't
00:55:45.360 you're just good and you go and it was one of the greatest moments of my life okay because
00:55:48.220 you know you know my act okay but you go you really are churchill
00:55:52.620 forgot about that okay because i always identify as a chillian figure potbelly want to eat in that 0.98
00:56:00.660 kind of man way she's winston fucking churchill she's jacqueline bourdain the waiter comes over
00:56:05.600 eventually and i see on his on his face he's impressed he is smiling really yes of course 0.89
00:56:13.360 i go oh oh remember i go i go because it's again i don't know so i know like the bill is like um
00:56:19.140 or something or no addition like the addition right that's the only thing i can say i'm like
00:56:24.560 like drunk on one uh uh april spitz and the emotions right so i'm like yeah yeah i'm like
00:56:30.120 like it is the hour of the check for us you know like really going nuts incredible he's loving it
00:56:41.380 we're best friends for life and is that did we then go to that other place well because we're
00:56:49.180 like oh dessert desserts are all around us they look wild but it's like let's let's do a second
00:56:52.740 location let's let's go to cafe de flore get a cocktail and a dessert yes he comes over a different
00:56:58.040 waiter is checking us out with the with the bill he's unbelievable he looks like a painting
00:57:02.080 of a french waiter oh yeah we start chatting him up he lived in new york for years
00:57:06.880 i mean he's like an egon chile like painting of a man and then oh we get uh is that what we got
00:57:16.780 oh no well the way no no jacqueline we're jacqueline this is how we know that we won
00:57:21.440 over the waiters yeah that were that were the americans they love they hand us to and they
00:57:26.760 don't do this every table by the way i don't know if that's true but i just don't think that's the
00:57:29.820 case they're in a very sweet like they're like take these they give us two menus as and they're
00:57:36.500 kind of long strip menus they're not huge as souvenirs and then we chatted up briefly the
00:57:41.620 table next to us french people or speaking french and they're like take it like frame it yeah frame
00:57:48.500 it in your home and i was like so i'm looking at it right now i have it magnetized inside of the
00:57:52.760 and i would love to to frame it uh eventually one day absolutely i must we should have kissed it
00:57:59.300 with our own lipstick and that's cute and then the the guy you know next to me 140 years old
00:58:04.580 eating like just it's not even like tartare it's like just like to me it looks like just like raw
00:58:10.180 ground beef on a plate like yeah so and with a spoon i was just like a red wine i was like god
00:58:15.220 damn this really is i could have knocked that back too i mean that's the joke but yeah he kept
00:58:20.640 looking at us remember yeah i thought it was totally just giggling and excited and sometimes 0.99
00:58:26.000 you know those older men they just sort of are like they don't give a shit anymore they're just 0.86
00:58:29.020 like they can just freely stare stare at you yeah yeah yeah now glance back and you know whatever 0.96
00:58:35.180 but we get out of there remember we had another did we oh no what was it oh it was the saint
00:58:39.860 germain spritz instead of the apple so we get across the street to cafe de flore but you know
00:58:46.140 we sit outside sitting outside it's maybe 10 o'clock and we order so i'm going i want another
00:58:54.160 aperol spritz there's no aperol spritz on the menu i get confused i say to the waiter oh so you could
00:58:58.720 play aperol spritz he's and he it's confusing he's just like no like we don't right what even
00:59:04.360 though you saw people drinking it it was weird all right i'm like i know you have aperol what's
00:59:08.720 going on so let me get this thing it wasn't called this the saint germain spritz was it
00:59:13.540 called something else but it was saint germain and i start going in my head i go oh is that gonna 0.86
00:59:16.980 be too sweet it's gonna fuck i'm gonna get a migraine whatever jacklyn we order them they 0.92
00:59:21.620 come over i even said you could have a sip to test it i know and i'm gonna say this once best 0.98
00:59:27.140 spritz of my life and i'm talking about every element so first of all the glass was absolutely
00:59:31.200 beautiful it's like a fine crystal yeah remember it was like you if you were a glass remember it
00:59:37.240 was just it looks like you it was it was beautiful it was neither a martini glass nor was it a
00:59:42.400 wine glass nor was it a traditional coop it was something something else it was really special
00:59:47.120 he goes and he's making the spritz at the table and he's using champagne which is my big issue 0.89
00:59:54.120 with a lot of spritzes as we all know i fucking hate prosecco traditionally spritzes made with 0.77
00:59:58.280 prosecco it's fine i look the other way he's using champagne for the spritz and i go you turn the 0.99
01:00:02.340 other cheek fuck i'm like this is that's what i want he makes it yeah it is heaven it's heaven 0.59
01:00:11.080 i think that might become a home cocktail for me i know because it's not a lot because and it's not 0.98
01:00:16.040 sweet it's less saint germain i know it's less sweet than the april syrupy i don't i don't
01:00:21.800 understand yeah i love it but no it was transcendent we got that we got apple apple tartatin
01:00:29.060 a favorite yeah profiteroles we're sitting there drinking our spritzes it's you know it's a 10
01:00:36.180 becomes 11 there's a a french guy an old french man little loose on his feet like he's had a few 0.99
01:00:42.600 yeah with a hat smoking a fucking pipe smoking a tradition when's the last time you saw someone 0.99
01:00:47.680 smoking a pipe walking down the street a little drunk pipe in his mouth not even holding the pipe 1.00
01:00:52.960 just the pipes sticking out of his mouth i mean it is absurd by the way i just because we're gonna
01:00:58.200 have to wrap up and we'll do more on paris okay but when i got to paris in the train station i
01:01:04.640 got out and I was going to grab a car to wherever but I was like let me walk a little away from the
01:01:08.660 train station because I can't really tell what's going on here and maybe it'll be hell to get a car
01:01:12.080 over here and then I just kept walking dragging my humongous oh yeah hard shell suitcase through
01:01:19.100 the streets I walked like 25 minutes dragging it just so happy like I'm finally in Paris little
01:01:23.500 girl little girl studied French okay I finally made it on like almost like and and like you know
01:01:30.160 on my artistic you know lifestyle like yeah like that's how i got here you know what i mean because
01:01:34.820 there's like 100 people willing to show up and watch me i'm like that's cool you know what i
01:01:38.320 mean like that's so bad you know like maybe it took me a while to get here but like you know
01:01:42.780 so i'm romancing the whole thing and headline for me was paris felt completely natural to me
01:01:51.180 for both of us it was so relaxed the next day i never expected the episode yeah the peace in
01:01:58.800 the heart the next day i spent the day solo walking around couldn't have felt more comfortable
01:02:05.200 happier there's a peace i mean it is yeah although the thing that i want to unpack
01:02:12.940 at some point well two things we didn't even go back to the earrings i i did yeah we did a good
01:02:18.220 boundary which was we were walking we'd walk to another area you go would you hate going back for
01:02:22.520 the earrings and we had been sort of in our mind headed to sit at a cafe kind of take a rest and i
01:02:27.220 go no I go I'll sit at the cafe and wait it out you read the earrings I don't know why it just
01:02:32.300 I didn't want to go racing back it makes complete sense and I and I was like I need to get the
01:02:36.920 earrings I need to get the earrings so I went back got the earrings raced to the hotel the hotel was
01:02:42.120 so beautiful but again couldn't really enjoy it oh I actually quick thing to say then then that's
01:02:47.800 when I we met we met for dinner this is a little disappointing and I go would someone else have
01:02:52.700 made a fuss i've been in london without a bath at this point for two weeks two and a half weeks
01:02:58.060 the the chateau there was a bath but i'm sorry the shower head piping hot great the faucet for
01:03:07.620 the bath couldn't get hot really and i was like doesn't sit so well given the price point folks
01:03:14.280 doesn't sit so well given the price point it was midnight you know i was like what am i gonna do
01:03:18.100 call down of course not switch rooms of course not but i didn't get to take a bath in paris and
01:03:22.460 that was and this is the other this is the other life we we have to do another hour after this
01:03:27.300 because so much life stuff came up and i have voice notes i want to find and play but but i
01:03:32.720 so my whole vision was i'm gonna splurge for a nice hotel i'm gonna be in a bathtub in paris
01:03:37.840 solo midnight you know didn't get to happen still had the transcendent experience and you have to
01:03:44.780 yeah you have to be limber spiritually okay to accept that things that you didn't know were
01:03:49.020 going to happen happened that were glorious etc yes you know we had an absolute you know we had
01:03:55.080 a romance i mean it was it was perfection but the thing i want to get into maybe next time is
01:03:58.380 the next day when you were fixated on that you could have taken a train one hour later
01:04:03.120 i want to talk about that and i have video of you oh well that's a huge one this is where we
01:04:08.160 started i started to unravel this is where we get into the life you're you're like you're like a
01:04:13.140 little lexapro might really help you out because the way that i was and we're again i guess we
01:04:18.160 spinning we'll get to this we'll get to this next one but yeah i had a i had a spiritual spin out
01:04:22.980 uh decision making fixation fear of loss it brought up everything for me and where of course
01:04:28.520 the time the the the time spent yeah on that is longer than the times you know that you've lost
01:04:35.520 in pair i mean i do this too i spend all day trying to buy myself one more day somewhere
01:04:40.120 you know what i mean like yeah yeah like the cost like anyway i'm off to hudson right now
01:04:44.740 To be continued.
01:04:45.600 This is great.
01:04:46.320 Love you.
01:04:46.740 To be continued.
01:04:47.620 Love you.