Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Poison Has Its Place

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00:02:08.720 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:10.140 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:11.260 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:16.000 Two untameable intellects.

00:02:17.760 This is our hobby. 0.93

00:02:18.600 This is our hell.

00:02:19.460 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:02:21.740 This is POOG.

00:02:23.160 Today's topic, loosely speaking,

00:02:24.620 Curls, American Roach, McDonald's.

00:02:30.960 Well, yet again.

00:02:32.900 Yes. 0.98

00:02:34.200 Poog saves my life.

00:02:35.380 Really?

00:02:35.820 Poog pulling me from misery. 0.98

00:02:37.120 Oh my God.

00:02:38.660 Was in a real mood.

00:02:42.120 Moods cannot.

00:02:42.680 I called you.

00:02:43.300 I thought I was going to have to do a 40 minute emotional talk with you before we record.

00:02:47.640 But to be clear, I was present and I even picked up and called you.

00:02:51.420 and yet

00:02:53.300 FaceTime kept failing

00:02:56.680 Yeah, I'd see you for one second

00:02:58.460 your face looking somber

00:02:59.980 in a mask

00:03:01.200 I mean in a skin mask

00:03:04.520 Yeah

00:03:04.840 It was a snail mucin mask

00:03:08.220 Oh wow, yeah

00:03:10.160 Very little, I would argue 1.00

00:03:11.640 Well, you really gotta open up those pores 1.00

00:03:14.220 before you lay it down

00:03:15.640 I had just taken a shower 1.00

00:03:16.660 What the fuck? 1.00

00:03:18.460 And it didn't do shit? 1.00

00:03:20.120 I'm being very negative. 0.98

00:03:22.460 Actually, my skin feels supple beyond comprehension. 1.00

00:03:27.180 Yeah, Poog saves me once again.

00:03:30.680 Yeah, I feel too fragile to be visually recording for the Instagram.

00:03:35.720 People want it, and I want to start showing things off on the Instagram.

00:03:39.780 I vow to you as a collaborator that I will accept more video footage.

00:03:47.800 I actually do look rather sun-kissed today.

00:03:49.680 It's kind of a devastation to me, you see,

00:03:52.820 because I have a fresh haircut, curly hair.

00:03:56.000 I went to Goo on Fairfax, Molly, but the sauna is called Goo.

00:04:01.160 Have we even, we've barely opened the hair file.

00:04:03.820 No, and people have begged.

00:04:04.520 You and I with our hair, I know.

00:04:06.360 Actually, well, yeah, go on.

00:04:07.720 Well, no, I'm desperate for a haircut and, okay, hair product.

00:04:12.860 What do you use, right?

00:04:14.120 Yeah.

00:04:14.340 I've been using the same, I use very little in my hair,

00:04:16.980 but I've been using the same product for, at this point, over 10 years.

00:04:22.720 It's DevaCurl, DevaCurl, D-V-A,

00:04:25.300 but they have like multiple lawsuits open because people's hair falls out.

00:04:29.280 So I can't, I don't feel comfortable promoting them.

00:04:32.340 I mean, I haven't experienced hair loss,

00:04:34.740 but people have horror stories of like patches of hair falling out.

00:04:37.880 Well, relatedly, I do want to discuss cool sculpting

00:04:40.720 because Linda Evangelista wrote a thing,

00:04:43.200 kind of came out about her nightmare experience with it.

00:04:45.560 It's kind of exciting.

00:04:46.240 but

00:04:46.520 that means going

00:04:47.860 I've had a couple

00:04:49.220 friends who have done it

00:04:49.960 that means you go in there

00:04:50.960 and they

00:04:51.300 freeze it

00:04:52.480 they freeze it right off 1.00

00:04:53.560 your ass 1.00

00:04:54.300 I don't know about right off 1.00

00:04:55.180 who would have more 1.00

00:04:55.640 fat off their ass gone 1.00

00:04:56.740 but yeah 1.00

00:04:57.120 it's this whole thing

00:04:57.980 popsicle cheeks

00:04:58.980 or whatever

00:04:59.460 okay

00:04:59.940 so popsicle cheek

00:05:01.200 I'm gonna just jot this down

00:05:02.280 because my brain

00:05:02.780 is just soaring

00:05:03.180 by the way

00:05:03.200 as soon as I talked about

00:05:04.040 Devacryl

00:05:04.600 causing hair loss

00:05:06.040 immediate itchy scalp

00:05:07.140 or like burning tingling

00:05:08.260 oh right right

00:05:08.880 of course

00:05:09.260 and by the way

00:05:09.780 didn't even put the product in

00:05:10.820 just remember

00:05:11.340 well you know

00:05:12.780 it could just be

00:05:13.420 long term effects

00:05:15.120 wait popsicle

00:05:16.000 and then i was gonna say oh wait but i wanted to say because goo um told me something that i

00:05:20.620 thought was really i've never heard a who's goo so so there's a salon on fairfax called goo you 0.85

00:05:28.040 may recognize the sign like right near like you know like all that shit on fairfax whatever 0.77

00:05:33.240 do you remember do you remember chaz dean yes wait did chaz dean have a product called win 0.78

00:05:38.960 was it called it was called when w-e-n do you remember this oh when yeah yeah i remember that

00:05:44.480 and I was

00:05:45.160 and I drank

00:05:46.280 I was like

00:05:46.820 I buy it

00:05:47.500 wait is he the one

00:05:48.260 that was

00:05:48.600 Jessica Simpsons

00:05:51.360 like there was

00:05:52.340 a connection

00:05:53.500 I think it was Ashley

00:05:54.400 I don't remember

00:05:55.700 oh really

00:05:56.060 but it was

00:05:56.460 there was something there

00:05:57.360 but I remember

00:05:57.900 it was advertised

00:05:58.980 on television

00:05:59.680 it was like

00:06:00.200 this is the only product

00:06:01.300 you need

00:06:01.840 you just wash your hair

00:06:02.920 with it

00:06:03.160 it conditions

00:06:03.640 it comes in a pump

00:06:04.680 and I said

00:06:06.080 sign me up

00:06:07.300 and have

00:06:09.440 not a single memory

00:06:10.520 attached to the experience

00:06:11.500 I can remember

00:06:12.060 the smell

00:06:12.460 instantly comes to me

00:06:13.860 The smell comes to you?

00:06:15.260 Okay, because I just want to say thank you for something,

00:06:18.520 which is sometimes people say, like, did it work?

00:06:21.120 And I'm like, I don't remember.

00:06:25.440 Like the assumption that every single time you use a product

00:06:28.280 is like a science class, like a hypothesis, you know, evidence.

00:06:34.820 Well, that's when I also shut down these people,

00:06:36.560 because this haunts me daily.

00:06:38.180 People go, oh, well, to really feel the effects of a new skin product,

00:06:40.660 you have to use it every day for six months.

00:06:41.960 Yeah, I know, I know. 0.97

00:06:43.040 And it's like, well, then what the fuck are we even doing? 0.97

00:06:46.920 I know. 0.98

00:06:47.780 Well, at that point, it's all right.

00:06:49.440 Because it's almost like, well, if I were someone that could stick with something for six months, right?

00:06:55.780 I would be a CFO.

00:06:57.880 Yeah.

00:06:58.760 Like, I wouldn't be here.

00:07:00.500 We're a chief financial officer.

00:07:06.220 But it's like, yeah, if I had that, I wouldn't need a skin product to save my life, right?

00:07:11.500 I'd be a totally different woman.

00:07:13.040 although I have stuck with Tracy

00:07:15.580 for a good couple months now I must say

00:07:17.580 I mean when I slip into it

00:07:19.860 like I'm looking forward to my workout

00:07:22.000 today like I'm like

00:07:23.440 promise me that you'll teach me

00:07:25.680 help me

00:07:26.740 help me

00:07:27.440 I haven't broken a sweat in months

00:07:30.600 that's the main thing

00:07:32.480 right right just not on the mat

00:07:34.820 but yeah

00:07:35.780 oh there was a mat

00:07:38.180 I literally drip

00:07:40.080 okay that is a thing people say

00:07:42.040 I love dripping sweat.

00:07:43.580 I'm in a big raindrop.

00:07:45.540 And then I'm slipping and sliding on my own sweat.

00:07:48.400 And this is not in a heated room, folks. 0.99

00:07:51.080 Oh, damn. 0.99

00:07:52.040 That's really... 0.99

00:07:52.920 I was slipping and sliding when I did hot yoga.

00:07:56.640 But then also, you know I did SoulCycle approximately, I don't know, eight times.

00:08:01.360 I did it...

00:08:01.980 I've done it twice.

00:08:03.060 And you know my issue with it?

00:08:06.660 I'll tell you mine.

00:08:07.680 Okay, let's hear it.

00:08:09.100 We'll hear it really quick.

00:08:10.060 they're con artists meaning

00:08:12.580 where they're just like

00:08:14.020 hey do you want to hear my issue with it? I'll tell you mine

00:08:16.740 like it's like

00:08:17.280 joyfully cutting in

00:08:19.560 how about I go first?

00:08:21.660 because I'll be able to relax and listen

00:08:23.360 I'll just say

00:08:25.320 I'll just say that I was going

00:08:28.140 I went like five times I was like here we go

00:08:30.000 my new life you know this is me now

00:08:31.980 and

00:08:32.700 oh here's a little package right so instead of

00:08:36.260 it's like 25 bucks

00:08:37.420 they go here's five for 0.98

00:08:39.680 150 or whatever the fuck it was. 0.99

00:08:41.980 I go, okay, sure. 0.99

00:08:42.960 I buy it.

00:08:44.000 That expires in like two months. 0.67

00:08:46.320 That is disgusting. 0.93

00:08:46.680 Which is so evil and psychotic. 0.94

00:08:48.720 So then I go, oh, I have a package.

00:08:50.100 They go, oh, that expired three weeks ago.

00:08:52.940 What?

00:08:53.920 Oh, wow.

00:08:55.060 I mean, can you, have you?

00:08:56.900 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:08:58.560 That's aggressive.

00:08:59.920 I find that so wrong.

00:09:03.240 I'll tell you one thing. 0.99

00:09:04.880 It sure is fuck not how to run a business. 1.00

00:09:06.500 That's all. 0.99

00:09:09.680 No, and even, I mean, your tone there.

00:09:13.380 I mean, and that's not, you know, it's not the person at the front desk's policy, et cetera.

00:09:18.840 You know, and so they have no, ooh, it expired.

00:09:21.580 But like, you know what I appreciate?

00:09:23.740 Here's the opposite example.

00:09:25.280 Remember, not remember, but still going strong, dry bar.

00:09:29.680 Okay, now first of all, a couple things.

00:09:31.260 I misunderstood, and before I went to dry bar, I was like telling everyone,

00:09:34.400 like, so you're there and they're blow drying, you know, that you go and you get a blowout,

00:09:38.440 but it's a bar too.

00:09:39.680 you sit at the bar they blow you out you can get any cocktail you want and then you go in there

00:09:45.460 this was your fantasy yeah and then you go in there like like i assume that's what it was

00:09:50.040 yeah and they do offer water i think like like white wine or like champagne or something or

00:09:56.100 coffee but i have and and i hate to say this and i'm not the only one who's experienced this

00:10:00.600 i wonder who the fuck told me this that a notable thing is that they offer it there and then it 0.63

00:10:08.520 never appears like i told you the urban legend probably on poog i say urban legend but about 0.98

00:10:14.880 the guy like the guy who in the morning after sleeping with the woman okay i feel like i talked

00:10:20.000 about this like four episodes ago but like whatever this is who i am i have the same

00:10:23.380 anecdotes and they they're meaningful the guy who goes like how do you take your coffee like bagel

00:10:29.100 like toasted or not like they've had a one-night stand okay and the next morning he's like gonna

00:10:32.700 run out he's he runs out for coffee and it never comes back okay but he leaves her in the apartment

00:10:38.680 what leaving her oh no he left with the order obviously it was her apartment

00:10:44.080 yeah like like hey i'm gonna run out for coffee how do you take it like this whole fiction of

00:10:49.420 whatever disappears but anyway it's like yeah so there's been a little issue with like so i was a

00:10:54.760 little bit disappointed i you know whatever but anyway dry bar here's one thing i'll really say

00:10:59.760 for them. So a couple of years ago, I was living across from a dry bar in Manhattan and I was like,

00:11:06.660 you know what? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to pop in there and let them just do it. And like,

00:11:11.400 I'll just, that'll be my whatever. So I got some kind of, I got, I got some kind of package thing

00:11:17.640 where you, where you, you pay monthly and you get like four blowouts a month or something. Okay.

00:11:22.400 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

00:11:24.440 Forgot.

00:11:25.980 Okay.

00:11:27.840 Forgot it happened.

00:11:29.580 Naturally, okay.

00:11:30.980 And, you know, eight months go by or something, okay.

00:11:34.780 And so I have like 48 blowouts on my tab and they don't expire.

00:11:41.340 And so I canceled the membership with them and slowly but surely over the years,

00:11:47.080 every once in a while, hey, you in the mood to get a blowout with me, okay.

00:11:52.640 That's cute, right?

00:11:53.940 I can drag someone in for just a fun blowout because I've got so many.

00:11:59.280 I'd take a free blowout.

00:12:00.580 I'd never blow out my hair.

00:12:01.340 Right.

00:12:01.600 I mean, it's kind of just like it's kind of a fun experience.

00:12:05.040 But anyway, isn't that just sensational?

00:12:06.440 And I was like, there's no way.

00:12:07.320 There's no way.

00:12:07.920 Like the system taps out probably like eight on the thing and it's just like back to zero.

00:12:12.460 Well, relatedly, I subscribed to The New Yorker in March, okay?

00:12:17.500 haven't received a single leaf

00:12:20.160 in the mail.

00:12:22.640 That's a huge issue.

00:12:23.880 We got to get you on the horn.

00:12:25.120 And I sent an email.

00:12:27.280 I just sent an email.

00:12:28.200 You're like, I've been published in the publication.

00:12:33.420 Who should I email if I've been published in the New Yorker?

00:12:37.560 Wait, I want to tell you the one curly thing

00:12:39.100 that I was very, that Gu said

00:12:42.900 that was very, like, I was like, that's good.

00:12:45.560 I'm going to tell the people that

00:12:46.540 because I think it's huge news, okay?

00:12:47.960 She was like, so she cuts it,

00:12:49.860 and she's like, you know, in two days,

00:12:52.740 like send me a pic or let me know what you feel.

00:12:54.500 We'll know in two days.

00:12:55.320 And she's like, curly hair, you don't know until two days. 1.00

00:12:59.380 The haircut? 0.99

00:13:00.540 Yes.

00:13:01.220 Okay, you can't assess a curly haircut.

00:13:04.200 Oh, my God.

00:13:04.660 By the way, shattering truth.

00:13:07.360 Shattering truth.

00:13:08.240 And for a salon owner, okay,

00:13:11.840 to fully state that, speak the truth,

00:13:14.560 and go yeah like and and and you send it to me and whatever like like you let me know like first

00:13:20.780 of all the humility i mean all i'll say goo on fairfax people i mean it's just because it's it's

00:13:27.460 it's um and it was a funny interesting thing because this is key like like years ago i think

00:13:32.760 like maybe la times or something wrote this thing and they called her a curly hair specialist and

00:13:36.580 it's like she doesn't see herself that way she just knows how to cut hair okay isn't that like

00:13:42.080 the best but it's because so many people can't cut curly hair that it's had to be referred to as

00:13:48.460 they have they're referred to as a specialist because most of you know they just it's it's

00:13:55.140 but anyway it's just um and she said this thing she about like you know like like you're getting

00:14:00.360 rid of the end and like kind of the energy like that's caught up in the old hair particularly

00:14:05.600 when it's long oh my god you've got to be kidding i mean the energy is caught up in the hair for

00:14:10.200 sure oh my god and she's like and this is just gonna lighten you up so the age-old trope of

00:14:17.920 you know the healer the woman after the breakup oh yeah no we were talking about that how real

00:14:23.720 it is and also how like sometimes she gets the people that are in that state like breakup move

00:14:28.700 whatever where they're they're desperate for something and they're like should i get bangs

00:14:31.640 should i come in should we go platinum okay and when she's when they're all over the place like

00:14:35.300 that she's like you're not ready like oh my god she's i'm just i'm just repeating her gems my

00:14:42.180 friend paul recommended was like oh wow was like yeah and um put me in the chair i know exactly

00:14:48.060 what i want no it's it's um yeah yeah and and and like the idea and then she's like like get that

00:14:54.380 energy out like go get like crazy eyeshadow don't do it to your hair you know and it's yeah i mean

00:15:00.100 And have you, did you have that in your youth at all?

00:15:03.140 Or like maybe not even your youth, but like, did you have a period of time ever?

00:15:06.480 Did you ever go to CVS at 3 a.m. for a radical hair color change as I have?

00:15:14.080 I've never dyed my hair once.

00:15:16.040 Wow.

00:15:17.300 I don't know why I said that.

00:15:18.720 I said that and I was waiting for you.

00:15:20.940 I don't know what I was waiting for.

00:15:22.600 No, I think it's stunning.

00:15:24.060 I think it's exciting.

00:15:24.680 like kind of like how you use the way you sort of the gravitas of which you

00:15:28.520 announce that you have no piercings i forget who you say you know it's almost like i've not seen a

00:15:33.340 single frame of of a show you'll say it's like i am my ears oh i my ears are not pierced i have

00:15:40.080 zero body modification um yes exactly that's something to behold but um now i'm afraid i

00:15:48.920 i have clip-on earrings but now i'm afraid that if i get my ears pierced you know no give it to me

00:15:53.520 I don't want to go terribly wrong.

00:15:55.300 Infections?

00:15:55.460 I'll never be able to hit my mark again.

00:15:57.580 No, no, like psychological distress.

00:16:01.880 Energy pouring out my ears.

00:16:03.460 Oh, interesting.

00:16:05.500 Right, but actually, you already have an ear hole

00:16:09.680 that's connected to the inside.

00:16:11.820 The major hole.

00:16:12.780 The orifice of the ear canal, right?

00:16:14.980 The lobe being merely pierced, nothing can come out of that.

00:16:18.740 It's a hallway from the front of your lobe to the back.

00:16:21.860 You know what I mean?

00:16:22.460 Yeah, right.

00:16:23.240 I mean, it's very, I don't think you'd feel an energy depletion.

00:16:27.640 Okay.

00:16:28.200 Okay.

00:16:29.000 We have to go to break.

00:16:29.840 Let's go to break, friends, right?

00:16:31.240 Great.

00:16:31.560 Let's go to break.

00:16:35.340 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:16:39.400 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:16:44.660 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:16:48.500 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:16:49.700 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:16:53.240 So no, I am not your guru.

00:16:57.280 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:17:02.120 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:17:05.120 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:17:13.960 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:17:18.560 They have had this case for 30 years. 1.00

00:17:21.320 I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00

00:17:24.500 Boom. Boom. This is The Red Weather. 1.00

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00:18:06.220 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:18:09.680 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories.

00:18:16.140 I'm back with more one-off interviews 0.97

00:18:18.280 with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 1.00

00:18:23.180 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.97

00:18:25.700 I'm going to climb this.

00:18:28.060 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:18:30.200 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:18:34.300 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:18:36.780 Is badness hereditary?

00:18:38.800 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:18:40.940 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:18:43.560 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night you'll even get to meet my mum in that one

00:18:48.300 who i can always count on to keep my feet on the ground i'm not too intimidated by her what are

00:18:53.020 you talking about listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the i heart radio app apple

00:18:59.440 Podcasts or wherever you get your

00:19:01.580 podcasts.

00:19:11.400 We're back from break.

00:19:13.440 You know, dynamic advertising

00:19:15.720 means they slip it in

00:19:17.680 and we don't know which

00:19:19.480 ad you heard.

00:19:21.320 Isn't that something?

00:19:23.240 That is dynamic. I have no idea.

00:19:25.340 We don't know what you experienced

00:19:27.340 just now. It could have been us hawking

00:19:29.360 kids fish apparently there was an ad just for a certain kind of fish which i take pleasure in

00:19:35.420 oh wait another thing i learned today at the salon was that like back in the day like like

00:19:40.740 marilyn monroe kind of like time because i have a little widow's peak here she was saying that

00:19:45.420 they would pluck not the widow's peak away but they would actually oh they would accentuate

00:19:50.620 the widow's peak to make like a little heart and i thought that was very exciting very pronounced

00:19:56.880 Widow's Peak and she was incredibly

00:19:58.820 pale 0.94

00:19:59.320 Wednesday items kind of thing

00:20:03.100 yeah yeah I mean very

00:20:04.440 and she was obsessed with India

00:20:06.900 it was very strange

00:20:08.260 she was white

00:20:09.620 tell me more 1.00

00:20:14.980 wait for a second

00:20:16.640 what if we just do this like we spend

00:20:18.680 15 minutes now talking about one person

00:20:21.020 you once knew

00:20:22.460 that's a

00:20:25.040 great podcast

00:20:27.020 It could be called People We Knew.

00:20:29.140 People We Knew.

00:20:29.620 Oh, that's just like there's the other podcast.

00:20:31.580 Right.

00:20:32.020 We don't talk about other podcasts on our podcast.

00:20:35.200 I'm sorry.

00:20:36.000 I'm laughing like a child.

00:20:37.240 The joy is coming up.

00:20:38.320 Look, wait.

00:20:40.300 Fraser Fir Candle, are you familiar?

00:20:42.500 Oh, my God, absolutely.

00:20:43.500 It's a classic.

00:20:44.380 It's perfect for when the holidays are just a moment away.

00:20:48.260 Now, do you deal with shame?

00:20:50.080 Just to kind of throw out a huge.

00:20:52.560 Yeah, shame is, I remember my friend when I was a kid,

00:20:55.020 my or or not as a kid but as a teenager my friend it's always shame with you she said to me really

00:21:00.800 yeah no so so but tell me more before i let's let the questioner reveal i've been i'm quite

00:21:07.780 shameless i'm coming to realize i might you know historically i'm perhaps somewhat shameless i what

00:21:14.600 is i don't know this is a dead end i'm not gonna actually talk about the details of my personal

00:21:19.340 life but i've just second i thought you were gonna you were gonna um bring it back to the tuna

00:21:25.300 Sorry.

00:21:26.380 Oh, no shame there, doll.

00:21:28.160 Took a plane.

00:21:28.960 I was back on a plane.

00:21:29.920 Everyone was compliant, folks.

00:21:31.320 Oh, my God.

00:21:32.280 That being said, you can only really surveil your immediate rows.

00:21:35.160 I got a text from my mother after the episode.

00:21:37.000 I didn't steal at the airport.

00:21:38.160 How did the man, if she got kicked off, give her a fist bump?

00:21:41.100 And I was like, mother, that was a different man.

00:21:43.840 It was a different man.

00:21:45.440 But I love the idea of a tear.

00:21:48.060 A tear in the public of the narrative.

00:21:50.700 I actually was.

00:21:52.080 I had another saver box.

00:21:53.220 I was on a plane too, and I had another savor box since mentioning it.

00:21:57.060 And I got to say, delicious.

00:21:59.140 I'm talking JetBlue.

00:22:00.300 There's an artichoke.

00:22:01.120 Oh, yeah.

00:22:01.500 JetBlue really gets it.

00:22:02.500 Marinated artichokes.

00:22:04.840 Maybe some Kalamata olives, am I imagining?

00:22:07.600 Or something like that.

00:22:08.780 Hummus.

00:22:09.740 I feel like I ran through this last week.

00:22:11.240 I'm going to give you a huge tip right here about Kalamata olives.

00:22:13.360 Dirty martini, everyone goes, oh, green olives.

00:22:16.000 Do yourself a favor. 0.85

00:22:17.140 Red Kalamata olives for a dirty martini.

00:22:19.260 Whoa.

00:22:19.800 Not only is the color astonishing.

00:22:21.660 does it color the water

00:22:24.020 yes sweetheart

00:22:25.580 it's beautiful red

00:22:27.060 you know we talk about hoarding

00:22:29.180 because I almost want to hoard that

00:22:30.440 as like something that I do at my parties

00:22:32.100 of course

00:22:32.740 yes as we've discussed

00:22:34.940 give it away

00:22:35.960 give it away

00:22:37.760 give it away now

00:22:38.840 wait what is that

00:22:42.700 give it away

00:22:44.200 red hot chili peppers

00:22:46.300 oh right how embarrassing

00:22:47.780 no that's

00:22:50.900 I mean I know you also love

00:22:53.300 I'm sorry my hair is already

00:22:55.020 coming alive

00:22:56.520 you look like a lion

00:22:59.180 okay that's what we were going for

00:23:01.180 she asked me if I was a Leo

00:23:03.060 because I had such a lion look

00:23:04.760 and I said no I'm a Virgo

00:23:07.220 I'm going straight to her

00:23:08.660 I have a specific haircut

00:23:10.180 I'm very excited and now I'm worried actually

00:23:12.680 you know what you're going to have to make your appointment 1.00

00:23:14.180 because the poog hags 1.00

00:23:16.720 I mean 1.00

00:23:17.600 you know we'll see

00:23:20.640 they don't have to have curlier 1.00

00:23:22.820 that's the thing 0.57

00:23:23.520 but anyway

00:23:24.520 this is what it's about

00:23:26.080 you know

00:23:26.440 you know where I used to go

00:23:27.740 Louis Dodd salon

00:23:29.140 oh right of course

00:23:30.520 I mean their product line

00:23:31.540 for curls is legendary

00:23:33.620 yes

00:23:34.720 there was a guy there

00:23:35.340 that cut my hair

00:23:35.920 and he told me two things

00:23:37.020 one he said

00:23:37.560 people with curls

00:23:38.420 have incredibly heightened

00:23:40.440 senses of smell

00:23:41.340 what

00:23:42.040 yes

00:23:43.000 oh wow

00:23:43.980 and I was like

00:23:44.760 oh Vincent

00:23:45.560 and then

00:23:46.620 and the second thing's

00:23:47.680 out the window

00:23:48.200 do you remember

00:23:49.200 you mean of your brain

00:23:51.340 the second detail I was going to say is completely gone

00:23:54.480 oh

00:23:54.740 if it returns you tell me

00:23:57.740 okay you brazenly jump in with it

00:24:00.020 I'll interject 1.00

00:24:00.540 you look gorgeous by the way you're a fool 1.00

00:24:02.880 like I'm taken with your beauty and for some reason you think 1.00

00:24:06.080 today is not

00:24:07.820 like you look like there's something

00:24:09.800 and it's actually exciting

00:24:11.560 what you look like right now

00:24:12.940 there's plenty of hideous images of me on the pook Instagram

00:24:15.940 the video and I think it's radical

00:24:17.300 that I'm allowing myself to be perceived as an absolute ogre.

00:24:23.080 But yeah, and I have a fine self-image, folks.

00:24:26.080 Don't you worry about it.

00:24:27.080 But I believe it's actually important to sometimes

00:24:30.380 to know when you're being an ogre and to face it.

00:24:34.640 Yeah, I know.

00:24:35.060 But I just think sometimes you need to see like you were afraid

00:24:37.820 or not afraid, but like you thought like you didn't look good 0.95

00:24:41.220 with your hair up and like it's fucking stunning when you do it. 0.93

00:24:45.400 I think this is finally the year I'm going to do it more. 0.94

00:24:48.380 Every year.

00:24:49.100 It's always about years with you.

00:24:50.700 The year of fiction.

00:24:51.900 You know, that's really the unit of life change,

00:24:53.800 which it is, I guess, for a lot of people.

00:24:56.300 No, but the reveal of the neck. 0.82

00:24:57.460 I remember when Marianne in the Babysitter's Club cut her hair 1.00

00:25:00.440 and it revealed, like, her jawline and her neck.

00:25:04.620 And she was sort of the shy one.

00:25:06.160 And so it was very exciting.

00:25:08.020 But I don't know.

00:25:09.000 I enjoy seeing different iterations of...

00:25:12.520 Wait.

00:25:12.760 but it went right out the window right as i was like really excited to say something related

00:25:17.680 what were the two details you said or what was the first one um um about the guy saying that

00:25:23.780 oh i know what it is curly hair what well i don't know if you'll how you'll yeah i think you'll be

00:25:29.700 cool with this one thing i i about self-esteem that i enjoy from you and this this goes back

00:25:35.320 like you know 10 years or something or longer kind of like and i i've probably heard you say

00:25:40.600 this like three times total but just about someone kind of random or like even like like a like a

00:25:46.760 waiter or something it could be like but but it could also sort of be someone maybe we know but

00:25:51.660 you'll be like i think he has a crush on me okay okay like it's a thing you say sometimes you're

00:25:57.580 like i think he's a little a little crush on me and like to me like that like you know what i mean

00:26:05.360 like you can hear that right you've said that you know that right yeah that sounds yeah or like i

00:26:10.360 think he's a little in love with me do you say that is that you it's not though it's not i actually

00:26:15.560 think it's like it's it's it's like the the thing in me that's shocked by it sort of or like kind

00:26:21.060 of stunned and and titillated okay like is the pro like is is is the you know internalized like

00:26:27.120 how dare you perceive uh you know pretty but she doesn't know right you know oh oblivious to

00:26:34.980 the effect you're having on someone i mean i mean the demands the demands that you be

00:26:39.460 you'd be exquisite and you know peanut butter on your nose to to make everyone know that you know

00:26:46.080 you're not gonna kill them i don't know like with right right right with your ego like it's deranged

00:26:50.980 that is so like so many things to hear you say that yeah you echo something i've said rather

00:26:57.260 stick in one's head for years i really i know the things that stick i mean please

00:27:02.280 you put your hair up

00:27:04.760 and it's exciting

00:27:05.640 it's thrilling

00:27:06.300 God your arm

00:27:08.720 just looks great

00:27:12.360 your arm just has a real

00:27:13.780 it looks strong

00:27:15.000 you've been doing push ups

00:27:16.020 I may have stumbled

00:27:17.540 I was doing

00:27:19.300 I had a lot more strength

00:27:20.600 I've let my strength

00:27:23.000 fall away

00:27:24.500 in the past few months

00:27:26.220 but when I get back to LA

00:27:28.400 it's going to be hikes

00:27:30.500 it's going to be a whole new world

00:27:31.740 going to open up. I'm going to do a shocking, and I repeat, shocking downsizing of the objects

00:27:38.440 in my home, of the clothes. Everything must go. It's everything must go.

00:27:44.640 Fire sale, $10 a bag. 0.98

00:27:47.580 I mean, honestly, I might go to some goddamn parking lot and just- 0.99

00:27:52.420 Set up shop? 0.99

00:27:53.160 Please. Yeah, take this. Do you want to do that with me?

00:27:55.820 Okay. Well, I just-

00:27:57.020 Is it unbecoming?

00:27:58.320 Wait, what'd you say? What? Unbecoming?

00:27:59.880 I said, is it unbecoming?

00:28:00.800 to what sell your goods

00:28:02.000 no I just like hawk wears like

00:28:04.780 I don't know

00:28:06.460 I can't describe it

00:28:07.760 no I get it like you're a working woman 1.00

00:28:09.580 like why do you also need $10 1.00

00:28:12.180 for your spare like plate

00:28:14.360 can't you donate basically

00:28:16.160 yeah by the way I'm frozen in the face

00:28:18.720 of donation I do donate but

00:28:20.320 donation ain't as easy as they say

00:28:22.700 you still gotta get the stuff

00:28:24.220 someone finally said it

00:28:26.340 it's hysterical

00:28:28.460 it's like

00:28:29.320 like yeah yeah yeah like um where am i dropping this oh because sometimes i go i sometimes i go

00:28:34.980 i you roll up and you go you look in the crate and it's all like it's like it's like an abandoned 0.66

00:28:40.880 cowboy boot from 1904 that's caked and shit i'm like i'm not putting my vince sweater next to 0.66

00:28:48.460 that you know okay you pulling out vince for some reason you pulling out vince always has 0.97

00:28:54.820 because i think i had one vince sweater that a friend gave me that i was haunted by for years

00:28:59.520 because i felt somehow there was some kind of you know attachment to the fact that i maybe it

00:29:04.180 would cost 250 and that i hadn't purchased it so it felt you know i do the math i can't like

00:29:09.660 remember right now it basically doubles in value if you haven't paid for it oh right right right

00:29:15.160 so it was and yeah it was a vince sweater i never wore and eventually donated to goodwill well when

00:29:22.420 people know right i think it's one of these things where like because there are different things where

00:29:26.560 they're like you realize it's so easy like they're like you know like they're like if you call blah

00:29:31.920 blah blah they'll actually come and pick it up right that kind of thing you ever hear that kind

00:29:35.340 of thing oh yeah and you're like whoa that sounds great and then let me guess just a window between

00:29:40.300 five and five they're gonna come get it yeah it's a window is a window is there's like a stroke

00:29:50.260 There's a door and I'm running out of it, folks.

00:29:51.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:53.720 To call, like, we don't know when your couch is going to arrive tomorrow,

00:29:58.400 but we're going to get it done tomorrow

00:29:59.520 because we're going to put it on the truck in the morning.

00:30:01.400 To call that window is a stroke of marketing genius.

00:30:05.520 Absolutely.

00:30:05.760 Because window, what are you looking at, your phone?

00:30:08.500 Keep going, but you're right.

00:30:09.620 There's just a delivery happening.

00:30:10.880 Keep going.

00:30:11.440 Oh, my God.

00:30:12.120 Right now to you?

00:30:13.140 Yeah, they're just like, they're coming or whatever.

00:30:15.000 It's fine.

00:30:15.500 God, it's so exciting.

00:30:16.780 I've been doing a...

00:30:17.600 And I never do delivery.

00:30:18.740 You know, traditionally, I never do delivery.

00:30:21.640 It's heavy.

00:30:22.280 But here, you know, in a different city working, you know, it's just too fun.

00:30:26.800 I can't bring myself to go to the parking structure and get my car.

00:30:30.120 I've had delivery from the same place, I think, six days in a row now.

00:30:34.200 Oh, I love that you do that.

00:30:35.620 Yeah, it's like, I loved it yesterday.

00:30:37.720 Why wouldn't I want it today?

00:30:38.780 And then I drive it to the point of, you know, sickness.

00:30:41.420 I think that's really, by the way, I was staying at John Early's house,

00:30:44.860 you may remember from last week, and I really was craving Shake Shack.

00:30:47.700 and he said, I had it last night, but here we go.

00:30:49.480 Let's go again.

00:30:50.240 Oh.

00:30:50.640 I thought that was really generous.

00:30:52.280 Oh, yeah.

00:30:53.660 And Shake Shack, I mean, you know.

00:30:56.380 You know I love it.

00:30:57.400 Repetition inevitably produces difference.

00:31:00.560 Difference?

00:31:01.340 Difference?

00:31:01.880 Wait, what?

00:31:03.500 Actually, strike that.

00:31:04.700 It doesn't apply to this

00:31:05.620 because the whole point of commercially created food in that way

00:31:09.200 is that it always tastes the same

00:31:10.580 and there is no deviation in the flavor,

00:31:12.460 which is what makes it super natural,

00:31:14.280 which is what heightens the emotional attachment to it.

00:31:16.180 It's the promise of some continued past that will never end.

00:31:19.740 Wow.

00:31:20.160 I'm glad we're recording this because I'm really realizing that that is the power of it. 0.99

00:31:23.620 Holy shit. 0.99

00:31:24.200 Also, obviously, how dare I? 0.99

00:31:25.200 This is not, we all know this implicitly.

00:31:27.440 No, no, no.

00:31:28.440 Not how dare you.

00:31:29.460 It's, I mean, that's why like when I, like I went, I drove past what I would call my childhood McDonald's, okay, a couple weeks ago when I was at my parents.

00:31:38.660 Yeah.

00:31:39.100 You know, so for me, it's the sort of root McDonald's, right?

00:31:43.600 It's the one where the dreams first happened and I experienced it.

00:31:48.560 And I was like, you know what?

00:31:51.060 Like I'm going to do it, okay?

00:31:53.200 And I got, I don't know, I got maybe a quarter pounder or something,

00:31:59.160 French fries.

00:32:00.460 Now, I actually, things do change.

00:32:02.400 I didn't get a soda.

00:32:03.420 Just get me whatever water you have, okay?

00:32:05.900 Like I was able to not do that because I don't care about the soda.

00:32:08.880 but to eat a mcdonald's fry okay it's heaven and then just with this i'm actually i'm feeling my

00:32:16.380 eyes go like tears a little bit i'm just thinking about like because you know this is that concept

00:32:21.920 that marian woodman thing that all food is stolen like in the you know whatever the feminine side

00:32:26.660 yeah yeah it's always stolen so it's it's create you know it's given this titillating quality and 0.82

00:32:32.800 all that kind of stuff but it's like the giving over that that space when i give over to the thing

00:32:37.860 that I want

00:32:38.440 that I've in some way

00:32:39.360 decided I shouldn't

00:32:40.660 or I shouldn't have.

00:32:42.100 Right.

00:32:42.840 Like the surrender,

00:32:44.340 the joy,

00:32:45.160 the peace.

00:32:46.540 Yeah.

00:32:47.080 In that,

00:32:48.100 in the,

00:32:49.020 like,

00:32:49.200 and that's why I think

00:32:49.820 drive-thrus

00:32:50.460 means so much to me.

00:32:52.260 Okay.

00:32:52.900 Like the excitement I feel

00:32:54.700 when there's a drive-thru option,

00:32:55.820 including like,

00:32:56.560 and therefore it carries over

00:32:57.660 to like CVS,

00:32:58.560 you know,

00:32:58.780 like some of them

00:32:59.240 have drive-thrus.

00:33:00.000 Oh,

00:33:00.220 a drive-thru CVS,

00:33:01.200 that was one of the great gifts

00:33:02.100 of COVID

00:33:02.520 was locating a drive-thru CVS,

00:33:04.080 a 24-hour drive-thru CVS.

00:33:05.840 I think I know the one

00:33:06.980 because

00:33:07.620 when i was in la once yeah i john early actually had to drive me it was very sweet

00:33:12.000 i'm driving my ass to the um to the thing but yeah the drive-thru so so when i go through the

00:33:17.340 drive-thru at um cvs it's almost like like i can taste the fries a little bit but i think like 0.58

00:33:23.280 getting in line to the drive-thru right to me it's like you're not getting out right so like

00:33:27.980 once you're in you you're in and you know you're getting the thing yeah oh god but i just like i

00:33:34.100 feel like i i wonder if you not having you know grown up on a mcdonald's or anything like that

00:33:40.160 not having the associations that i have taco bell and jack in the box okay mcdonald's for

00:33:45.020 some reason i just i bypassed it it just wasn't yeah i'll just say i have more of an emotional

00:33:50.080 attachment to taco bell and even jack in the box specifically the monster tacos at jack in the box

00:33:54.280 however i i start to if i feel myself dipping into nostalgia about fast food i some alarms go

00:33:59.900 off for me what you're saying is beautiful i just have nothing to contribute to the dialogue because

00:34:04.880 wow okay wait hold on we're gonna go to break but i just what i was wondering as i was enjoying it

00:34:09.060 would k be able to yeah oh wow oh wow i love when you do that i still have my friend paul again i

00:34:16.760 mentioned because he he would just really pause and i'd almost wonder if he i mean like you know

00:34:22.080 just like i'd almost wonder if he even had heard me and it was like actually he's so stunned by

00:34:27.140 something that it's like he's taking a beat and then oh wow wait but i just the thing that you

00:34:36.260 have nothing to contribute to is the point is as i was eating mcdonald's i was wondering

00:34:39.280 if i took kate to mcdonald's in like a pilgrimage kind of way and like not that like my whole

00:34:44.040 childhood was all this mcdonald's it was like this sort of special like treat i guess you could

00:34:49.680 it's not quite the right words but like you know the thrill we're stopping on a road trip or

00:34:53.700 something and like i was like could kate enjoy it how much is nostalgia in this thing is it just

00:34:59.420 yeah they figured something out they figured something out in there it's convenience baby

00:35:05.220 no but it's more than that it's called me i mean the recipe you no no me yeah oh the recipe yeah

00:35:13.460 but would you like i wonder if you could if you had like a i just wonder what it would be like

00:35:19.640 for you to sit in a car with me

00:35:21.160 and the two of us eat McDonald's.

00:35:22.620 I would love it.

00:35:23.460 Let's go.

00:35:24.740 In and out also.

00:35:25.800 I have an attachment too, of course.

00:35:27.360 Well, I went there with you

00:35:28.160 and I have a gorgeous picture

00:35:29.980 of you eating a fry.

00:35:31.080 And it's actually a wonderful photo

00:35:32.420 because you look...

00:35:34.400 I remember that photo. 0.99

00:35:37.140 You look almost slightly foolish, right? 0.99

00:35:39.760 By virtue of the fry, 1.00

00:35:40.820 a picture of sticking out of your mouth

00:35:42.400 at a weird angle.

00:35:43.740 And it's like really nice to see you that way.

00:35:45.680 Wait, I'm starting the...

00:35:46.600 We're going to have to go to break.

00:35:47.580 We got to go.

00:35:49.640 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:35:55.460 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:36:00.660 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:36:04.660 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:36:06.000 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:36:09.620 No, I am not your guru.

00:36:13.420 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:36:16.040 I lied to police.

00:36:17.300 I lied to everybody.

00:36:18.080 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:36:21.320 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

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00:36:26.780 whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:36:30.120 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:36:33.040 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:36:34.720 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

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00:37:01.880 but it's his recent number one hit darling to put Chase on the map

00:37:04.880 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:37:10.140 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:37:13.040 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with Chase Matthews.

00:37:15.700 So listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:37:28.740 And we're back.

00:37:29.680 I recently had Wendy's for the first time, actually, but let's move on.

00:37:33.400 All right, we'll move on, but I just want to say one thing.

00:37:34.960 When I was a kid, Wendy's, so they have like a salad bar, and there was this period of time,

00:37:38.480 I don't know if they still do, whatever, but there was three different themes in the salad bar,

00:37:43.520 and one of them was like, you know, taco and that kind of thing

00:37:47.180 and the chili and the whatever. 0.99

00:37:48.560 I don't remember, but it was a goddamn revelation 0.96

00:37:50.840 and I was so excited because there were certain road trips 0.97

00:37:53.560 where Wendy's was on the way and it just, God, I love those places.

00:37:57.700 They made me so happy.

00:37:59.760 What did I want to talk about?

00:38:00.960 I wrote down, oh, but Popsicle Cheeks.

00:38:02.600 The thing with Cool Sculpting is that.

00:38:04.180 Oh, right.

00:38:04.900 So Popsicle Cheeks is like these kids that are sucking on ice pops all day. 0.61

00:38:09.060 Like they were like losing fat in their face. 0.64

00:38:12.040 Stop.

00:38:12.400 Okay, they were thinning out in the cheeks

00:38:14.480 because they were sucking on those sticks and...

00:38:17.400 In what, 1952?

00:38:19.140 Like, when was this possibly...

00:38:20.560 I mean, I think it's, you know, it hasn't stopped.

00:38:24.460 It's just a little thing people know.

00:38:27.520 But anyway, yeah, Cool Sculpting, it, I don't know. 0.97

00:38:30.820 Who fucking knows? 0.96

00:38:31.540 Who cares? 0.99

00:38:32.120 I'm intrigued by M-Sculpt, I won't lie.

00:38:34.760 Oh, yeah, so we received, yeah, 0.99

00:38:36.980 this is like bike shorts with these vibrating ass pads. 0.99

00:38:40.380 my friend 0.99

00:38:41.220 sent it to me

00:38:43.100 to be like 1.00

00:38:43.500 hey here's your new ass 1.00

00:38:44.660 wait 1.00

00:38:45.040 are you fucking joking 0.99

00:38:46.020 you mean 0.99

00:38:47.300 they sent

00:38:47.920 you got it

00:38:48.900 no no

00:38:49.320 oh my god

00:38:49.680 no please

00:38:50.220 Insta

00:38:50.440 Insta

00:38:50.880 they did not send it

00:38:51.740 you mean they sent an image

00:38:52.700 the post

00:38:53.320 and then I sent the image to you

00:38:54.620 oh right

00:38:55.380 now I can't tell

00:38:56.580 by the way

00:38:57.260 I feel like I've been talking 1.00

00:38:58.000 a lot of shit on my ass 1.00

00:38:59.120 and it's not fair 1.00

00:39:00.200 well thank you

00:39:01.660 I've never

00:39:02.360 I just take for granted

00:39:03.700 that you're always 1.00

00:39:04.300 quote looking for a new ass 0.99

00:39:05.360 I just feel like the listeners 0.99

00:39:05.460 might think that

00:39:06.400 I just feel like the listeners

00:39:08.680 might think

00:39:09.180 I'm dealing with something 0.99

00:39:10.080 that's oh you're worried you're worried like that that they've painted a like like an ass on you 0.91

00:39:15.760 that in their mind that you're not pleased with i thought you're worried like like they felt you 0.91

00:39:20.020 were being on um you know like kate love yourself you know yeah yeah of course which i love myself

00:39:26.440 clear on what the hell you what the hell your your your goal is but i was like i have sent you 0.99

00:39:31.760 photos of my ass yeah resting ass looks great wait resting ass as in not um flexing yeah or not like 1.00

00:39:40.240 Not posed. 1.00

00:39:41.060 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:39:41.560 Not like cocking a hip or doing what you can do to like push your ass out. 0.99

00:39:46.600 I mean, I've added ankle weights. 0.99

00:39:49.080 I mentioned three pound ankle weights to my Tracy regimen.

00:39:52.600 I'm scared about the piriformis.

00:39:53.960 I'm scared.

00:39:54.840 Wait, why?

00:39:55.840 As someone who's had piriformis issues.

00:39:58.440 Why?

00:39:58.960 Lunges, things like that. 0.82

00:40:00.020 Activate, inflame the piriformis. 0.99

00:40:02.640 Where the fuck is the piriformis? 0.98

00:40:04.120 Wait, like lower corner? 0.98

00:40:06.200 Here I go barely being able to.

00:40:07.720 Yeah, it's like the hip at the top of the hip.

00:40:09.780 Toward the front?

00:40:11.220 Well, well...

00:40:13.000 Or is it the back? Who could tell?

00:40:16.020 God, muscles really have some interesting names, don't they, folks?

00:40:22.040 What was I going to say? 0.98

00:40:24.760 I had a too sweet cookie that Amor just fucked my appetite for the evening. 0.98

00:40:32.840 Well... 0.99

00:40:33.420 Like I had the... What? I'll be fine.

00:40:35.260 Yeah, I mean, have you ever truly spoiled an appetite?

00:40:39.260 It's an interesting question.

00:40:40.680 Yeah, like I don't, you're right.

00:40:42.140 Spoiling an appetite, that's like...

00:40:43.700 A myth.

00:40:44.440 The myth of the spoiled appetite

00:40:45.980 and the myth that things don't go together,

00:40:48.000 that things have to go together.

00:40:49.680 So I was away, I come back,

00:40:51.520 and I see three humongous roaches

00:40:55.180 in the last couple days.

00:40:56.480 No, no.

00:40:57.700 Okay, huge, huge.

00:40:59.780 And...

00:41:00.100 Oh, God, where are they?

00:41:01.180 The walls, the floor?

00:41:02.720 So first...

00:41:03.100 When they're on the walls, it's just pure hell.

00:41:05.420 At least, like, you can see where it is.

00:41:08.080 Like, I don't know. 0.97

00:41:08.940 So we had one of those absolute nightmare things where so I'm sitting in the couch and I see something move and my eye goes over to the kitchen floor where I see someone scampering, a little fool scampering across. 0.98

00:41:24.360 I scream. 0.98

00:41:25.020 Okay.

00:41:25.500 And I'm like, Chris, go.

00:41:28.460 Okay.

00:41:28.680 Like, I'm just like, I can't handle it.

00:41:31.460 And I believe he can.

00:41:33.960 He got up.

00:41:35.500 Seaweed snacks flew everywhere.

00:41:36.860 we were eating seaweed snacks

00:41:38.980 and he went after it

00:41:40.980 and like it just kept escaping

00:41:42.720 it just kept getting away and it finally got away

00:41:45.380 it got away

00:41:46.880 okay and my suitcases

00:41:49.220 and everything I have like six suitcases from coming back 0.96

00:41:51.340 so there's shit everywhere 0.96

00:41:52.280 there's nothing but places for a roach to hide 0.99

00:41:55.380 to run and hide

00:41:56.680 and then I was like so upset

00:41:59.240 about it I was like

00:42:00.680 well I guess I'm going upstairs

00:42:02.700 like I was like

00:42:04.660 I'm going upstairs and getting in bed

00:42:06.260 Like, I'm just, I'm afraid.

00:42:09.320 And then, you know, like, it's that thing, like, time has to pass.

00:42:12.760 Like, you have to forget that you're, like, that you could be shocked by a roach at any time.

00:42:16.700 You know, like.

00:42:17.340 You have to just deny.

00:42:18.680 You have to deny.

00:42:19.600 That you'll ever see it again.

00:42:20.900 And then the next day, we're watching TV.

00:42:24.320 Or last night.

00:42:25.140 No, it was last night.

00:42:25.720 I come home.

00:42:26.700 Mabel is, like, sniffing and looking around, which she does all the time.

00:42:29.360 Sometimes it's, you know, a ghost or whatever.

00:42:31.560 I glance up.

00:42:32.380 Oh, God, it's a humongous thing about a foot and a half from my head.

00:42:36.260 running across the closet door okay still downstairs near the front door

00:42:40.340 you know i scream i tell chris again you know get it okay i i like grab paper towels run in 0.95

00:42:47.660 i send him to it he gets it okay he he fucking gets it okay so thank god then we're sitting 0.95

00:42:54.200 there watching television i'm a perched up on the on the arm of the thing to protect myself 0.98

00:42:58.780 one scampers across my yoga mat on the floor oh boy my yoga mat where i lay my face 0.99

00:43:06.960 and i asked the neighbor they said that these palmettos these american roaches are called

00:43:12.320 they're big they're not that bad but whatever they've like they've started to make an appearance

00:43:16.800 and i think being away and i don't know maybe so now's the moment where i start researching whether

00:43:23.800 bug foggers, you know,

00:43:25.840 will harm my cat. It certainly seems like they would. 1.00

00:43:28.380 So... They have to have

00:43:29.860 feline-friendly ones. I mean, they do,

00:43:32.060 but then you see the essential oil

00:43:33.900 ones, and you're like, yeah, right.

00:43:35.860 Good luck. Yeah. It's just, there needs

00:43:37.920 to find a... You gotta poison.

00:43:39.740 Poison has its place.

00:43:41.740 Poison has its place.

00:43:43.520 That's really...

00:43:45.100 No, well, bug spray is a classic.

00:43:46.960 I was eaten alive in Austin.

00:43:49.600 Okay? Just so many

00:43:51.140 mosquitoes, and

00:43:52.740 And I was like, what's the most poisonous thing I can dip myself in?

00:43:57.500 Yeah, there are those moments where it's just, it's poison.

00:44:00.560 Yeah.

00:44:01.040 Bugs?

00:44:02.060 I don't know.

00:44:02.880 I don't know.

00:44:04.380 I know we're supposed to love them all.

00:44:06.380 Insects have never been something that I thrive alongside.

00:44:10.640 And I, my main fear, bees.

00:44:14.940 Bees, which I know, which I love.

00:44:17.080 We need to save them.

00:44:18.740 So I've heard.

00:44:19.540 I have no fear of bees.

00:44:21.240 It's embarrassing.

00:44:22.180 Bees really, to the point of, it is a phobia, I think,

00:44:26.460 in the sense that I would do something, you know,

00:44:30.080 exponentially more dangerous to avoid being in the path of a bee.

00:44:33.520 Really?

00:44:34.200 Now, I'm...

00:44:35.740 Jump off the cliff kind of stuff.

00:44:37.740 Is it the fear of the sting?

00:44:40.900 I don't know.

00:44:41.820 I mean, yeah, could the sting really be that bad?

00:44:43.940 I was sung once as a child, never recovered.

00:44:47.980 But, yeah, it must be the sting.

00:44:49.880 I mean, wasps, forget about it.

00:44:51.780 Have you ever seen anything more cartoonishly horrifying and hideous 0.99

00:44:57.940 than a wasp dragging its ass lazily through the air 0.99

00:45:02.280 in a desperate attempt to hurt you? 1.00

00:45:04.920 It has that big back, right? 0.53

00:45:07.320 It has like a sack from hell.

00:45:08.820 Ew.

00:45:09.580 It's toting around.

00:45:10.940 I got spooked by, I guess just, I don't know if it was,

00:45:13.920 I guess it was a grasshopper.

00:45:15.040 I got really spooked while I was trimming one of my plants.

00:45:19.340 Kind of romantic, but still scary.

00:45:20.640 They're like beautiful and yet like it was the moment where I was trimming

00:45:24.480 and like these leaves were falling to the ground and like one of them moved

00:45:27.180 and I'm like, oh, it's just a leaf and then it was quite not a leaf

00:45:30.080 and then I was like, enough gardening for the day and I run inside

00:45:32.900 and I'm like, it's like really we're going inside like because of a bug

00:45:40.160 and it's like, yes, because it resets.

00:45:42.860 The next time I go outside if the bug's nowhere,

00:45:45.560 I can believe that it's completely gone.

00:45:48.240 It's like it's a resetting.

00:45:50.120 Yeah.

00:45:50.440 But anyway, I just, I wonder, is it the roach motel?

00:45:54.080 You check in, but you don't check out.

00:45:55.920 Is it the bait, you know, they're like, they're like, it destroys the nest. 0.61

00:46:00.720 Oh, I think I, did I mention this on Poog?

00:46:02.940 I have a moth issue.

00:46:04.200 Really?

00:46:04.780 Did I mention that?

00:46:05.520 Moths, please send your moths.

00:46:07.660 Don't send your moths.

00:46:08.720 Send your moth murder techniques.

00:46:11.700 Well, this is what cedar closets are about, aren't they? 1.00

00:46:14.620 Oh, Christ.

00:46:15.820 Right?

00:46:16.700 I think it's to prevent moths.

00:46:18.100 I guess you need a cedar closet.

00:46:20.740 And what...

00:46:21.380 You get one put in?

00:46:24.100 Okay, what do you do?

00:46:25.360 Let me think about this.

00:46:26.060 All right, here's what you do, I think.

00:46:27.260 Mock trap.

00:46:28.200 Yeah.

00:46:29.020 I think you put your sweaters in those plastic things.

00:46:33.320 By the way, I already relocated my most precious sweaters to my mother's house.

00:46:37.020 No, out of house entirely?

00:46:39.900 Do you find that?

00:46:41.180 Sometimes I say mother's house instead of parent's house 0.99

00:46:43.720 because it's always the mother's house. 0.93

00:46:46.120 That makes total sense to me.

00:46:47.820 and yet I don't.

00:46:50.280 I mean, I get it completely.

00:46:51.200 I just find myself doing that sometimes

00:46:52.420 and similarly, I called my dad mom a lot.

00:46:54.920 Right.

00:46:55.380 It's so sweet.

00:46:56.520 Mother reigns supreme.

00:46:58.260 It's so sweet.

00:46:59.520 Mama. 0.73

00:47:01.820 Nothing like mama. 0.99

00:47:03.140 I mean, mama also should come first. 0.87

00:47:05.500 I mean, linguistically, like,

00:47:07.320 because it's like, it's harder.

00:47:08.960 It's easier to say.

00:47:09.660 You're just like,

00:47:10.020 like you just have your mouth closed

00:47:12.680 and you open it.

00:47:13.720 Duh.

00:47:14.040 And don't babies like classically 0.99

00:47:16.040 like fuck up and say dad first they're like papa what an insult i think it's dada i mean oh yeah 0.98

00:47:22.460 i mean i think it's and there's a lot of different languages everyone in the encounter i'm saying 0.99

00:47:28.020 in a classic americana yes um i mean papa is a fascinating thing because papa to me is

00:47:38.320 so strictly experience something i've experienced in literature and movies right papa i know i can't

00:47:43.820 idea of papa like oh please very little women i think they called him papa um papa i enjoy calling

00:47:52.180 my mother mother sometimes like like a lot like she she doesn't love it mother but i kind of am

00:47:57.080 like mother and that's sort of fun do you ever say mommy no and i wish i could um i say mom

00:48:05.960 and oh like the equivalent for me like the softer whatever like thing that i is like i would call

00:48:11.880 her um murmy like there's like mom becomes murmy so like like marmy yes there is a little bit of

00:48:20.300 a marmy and yes and i was always aware that even though it didn't it wasn't like on purpose i do a

00:48:26.260 thing where if there's a thing with like a valison i'll turn it so like um you know emma who is the

00:48:31.420 tour manager and works on a show like i call her irma okay so it's like emma becomes irma mom

00:48:37.120 becomes merm okay and then so kate would become like like i call you like sometimes i call you

00:48:44.720 bert okay if your name is berlant like yeah like i bring the tea around it's like really fun to

00:48:50.320 call you bert remember bert and urchin i'll tell you what my food's almost here i'm gonna be having

00:48:54.620 a uh what did you order kind of unremarkable actually how dare i how dare you totally fine

00:49:00.160 i was enjoying it it's a salad at one of these you know kind of there's a place called roots here

00:49:04.680 It's like a sweet green adjacent, you know, semi-nightmarish fuel.

00:49:12.580 I just cannot get excited about those salad places anymore.

00:49:15.540 Like the whole thing.

00:49:17.080 I mean, part of it is just the walnuts just sit there,

00:49:19.380 just completely housed next to the other things.

00:49:22.500 Aerosolizing.

00:49:23.640 Aerosolizing, just slipping over.

00:49:25.720 I mean, same with toppings at the ice.

00:49:27.060 It's just there's no, and there are ways, folks, there are ways to do it.

00:49:31.980 I know, it's dangerous.

00:49:32.920 It's very dangerous.

00:49:34.360 You know what I used today?

00:49:35.600 My fend.

00:49:36.800 I misted the fend at the top of my nose.

00:49:39.040 I have gifted fends.

00:49:39.460 Do you just do one mist?

00:49:41.760 I believe you do two deep breaths.

00:49:44.540 Okay.

00:49:45.140 And the thing auto stops after like 10 seconds.

00:49:47.800 So I almost attempt to take two 10 second breaths of fend.

00:49:52.580 Well, not just every day.

00:49:53.620 Like more like when I'm heading out

00:49:55.880 because I believe it lasts something like four to six hours.

00:49:58.820 Yeah.

00:49:59.300 So to me, it's like, okay, like heading out the door.

00:50:01.460 I did it like when we were in New York, me and Chris, every single day heading out.

00:50:06.740 Unbelievable.

00:50:07.320 Take a deep breath.

00:50:07.780 I mean, doing that in front. 1.00

00:50:08.720 And by the way, folks, we're saying FEND, F-E-N-D. 1.00

00:50:10.700 They did send a couple. 1.00

00:50:11.720 Yes.

00:50:12.140 It's supposed to keep the air pathways clean, prevent viruses potentially.

00:50:14.900 Better than that.

00:50:15.360 Better than clean.

00:50:17.300 Oh, yeah.

00:50:17.960 Better than that.

00:50:18.620 It's like the aerosolized whatever that's in there.

00:50:22.220 Like, I guess, does it repel?

00:50:24.420 It keeps it from going into your respiratory system, you know, and also out.

00:50:32.820 So you aerosolize less virus particles or whatever.

00:50:35.740 So you're actually protecting others as well, much like a mask.

00:50:38.660 Wow.

00:50:39.760 I mean, time invention of the, you know, of the century or something.

00:50:44.120 You know, some accolade was given.

00:50:47.000 Yeah, no, there were definite accolades.

00:50:50.260 Harvard was mentioned, I believe, which of course brought me to my knees.

00:50:53.780 He doesn't always know.

00:50:54.920 I'll just say Harvard and there I am.

00:50:57.340 Harvard, yeah.

00:50:58.680 Well, I should go dive headfirst into my bowl.

00:51:03.420 I'm going to probably go do my Tracy.

00:51:07.220 And I keep just trying to decide when do I post the time-lapse footage for the people.

00:51:12.580 Is it daily to show off, like, to be committed?

00:51:15.620 Like, look, I did a workout again.

00:51:16.740 Look, I did a workout again.

00:51:17.680 I don't think I need to put that on the people.

00:51:19.380 But it is kind of fun.

00:51:20.760 All right, we got to go.

00:51:21.900 I can't wait to see your face soon.

00:51:23.780 I love you. You look great.

00:51:26.480 Semi-dead energy. Okay. All right. Bye.

00:51:29.380 Bye.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - October 12, 2021

Poison Has Its Place

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