Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Poogstellar

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00:01:05.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.380 Two untamable intellects.

00:01:14.160 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:01:15.000 This is our hell.

00:01:15.860 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:01:18.120 This is POOG.

00:01:19.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:01:21.000 my father's fish oil little girl's bedroom the return to morse i'll just quickly say the fish

00:01:28.800 oil arrived i repeat the fish oil has arrived oh wow you're on my father's fish oil i guess i'm

00:01:33.880 gonna try it today why not i'm on your father's fish oil my dad said wait let me actually just

00:01:38.260 dad i keep forgetting you're at oh my god that is the sweetest sound my heart just

00:01:47.260 Cracked

00:01:48.520 No 0.55

00:01:49.300 Jacqueline 1.00

00:01:50.180 Just find out 1.00

00:01:51.240 In the next hour

00:01:52.020 How many fish oil

00:01:52.940 It takes a day

00:01:53.540 I forgot

00:01:53.880 Yeah and when

00:01:54.760 If I need to take it

00:01:55.700 Oh dad dad

00:01:56.380 Come here

00:01:56.800 Sorry I think this is

00:01:58.120 Journalism

00:01:58.520 Oh my god

00:01:59.220 I truly like

00:02:00.080 Him seeing me in frame

00:02:01.480 It's like my need to be

00:02:02.440 Like attractive

00:02:03.220 For the father figure

00:02:04.020 He wants to know

00:02:04.580 We're recording

00:02:05.120 How many

00:02:05.660 Hi

00:02:06.280 Hi Kate

00:02:07.820 Hi how are you

00:02:09.180 Oh yeah I forgot

00:02:09.920 She can't

00:02:10.460 You can't hear him

00:02:11.360 But um

00:02:11.780 How many fish oil

00:02:12.640 A day should Kate take

00:02:13.460 I forgot

00:02:13.840 Take four

00:02:14.420 In the morning

00:02:15.160 In the morning

00:02:16.040 Doesn't matter

00:02:16.800 Take them any time.

00:02:17.740 You can split them up.

00:02:19.520 I take them all at the same time.

00:02:21.360 Okay, I can't wait.

00:02:22.100 I'm going to start today.

00:02:23.020 All right, she's starting today.

00:02:24.020 Thank you for the recommendation.

00:02:25.160 Dad takes them all at the same time.

00:02:26.760 Different sips, you told me yesterday.

00:02:28.160 Different sips.

00:02:28.440 Can't wait to hang out and have a four-hour dinner.

00:02:31.700 All right.

00:02:32.200 God, hearing you.

00:02:33.100 Oh, there he is.

00:02:34.160 There's my...

00:02:34.880 Oh, my God, there they are.

00:02:35.840 Is that the brand you got?

00:02:36.460 That's what I got.

00:02:37.140 That's the brand you got.

00:02:38.440 Pure.

00:02:39.180 I can't wait.

00:02:40.120 Better be.

00:02:40.820 Pure fish oil, mackerel, baby.

00:02:42.220 Bye, love you, Dad.

00:02:43.060 Bye.

00:02:43.500 Oh, my God.

00:02:44.340 i mean hearing you scream out mom dad i mean i just again but oh that was very sweet no that

00:02:51.740 was very sweet i had to i had to demonstrate i had to perform my own homeness screaming through

00:02:56.940 the house dad over and over again i mean there's nothing we we the fact that we can't return to

00:03:02.320 childhood i'm sorry actually is one of the cruelest what a joke one of the cruelest things i mean also

00:03:07.480 it would be it would be hell but that made me sweat i just i continue to return to that poem

00:03:12.320 i saw on the subway which one which one hanging in poetry in motion remember we talked about the

00:03:16.940 chicken and red wine one did you yes yes wait here's that which one did you love um it was the

00:03:22.920 past it was called like heaven and it's like it's the past and we'll be there together not as it was

00:03:28.300 to live but as it is remembered and it was like right it's like you know i also think that would

00:03:34.300 be really rage against the dying of the light oh i'm not go gentle into that good night do not

00:03:41.300 old age should sting and burn 0.95

00:03:43.080 you freak 0.86

00:03:44.780 old age

00:03:47.100 so I think we might

00:03:49.460 as well say that it's

00:03:50.720 here we go folks here we go

00:03:52.760 I'm forgetting the origins exactly

00:03:55.480 many moons ago

00:03:57.340 when we began this podcast

00:03:59.160 Interstellar came up I

00:04:00.960 just to recap quickly

00:04:02.800 saw it in theaters with a group everyone hated it 1.00

00:04:04.940 I was moved what a group of assholes 1.00

00:04:07.120 I can imagine them then I watched it on a plane 1.00

00:04:09.180 years later wept

00:04:11.300 And then, okay, so.

00:04:14.480 Wait, wait, but I wanted to say something.

00:04:16.680 I want to say how I first saw it before we get to the next step.

00:04:19.140 I first saw it on a triple feature.

00:04:21.320 Spontaneous triple feature.

00:04:22.940 You heard me.

00:04:23.800 Triple is psychotic, particularly if one's a three hour.

00:04:26.120 Okay, me and Chris decided to just go for it.

00:04:28.040 And in one day, we saw Interstellar, Birdman, and Nightcrawler.

00:04:32.340 One shot.

00:04:33.700 Wow.

00:04:34.480 Can you imagine going from Birdman into Interstellar?

00:04:37.580 Pretty good triple feature.

00:04:38.960 Triple feature is.

00:04:39.720 that feels like that was an era of like even that era of movies has passed you know what i mean like

00:04:45.780 that was totally like i don't know i gotta pull up i got i used to go to the apple page like that

00:04:50.380 used to be something i would always do i'd go to like apple.com right and watch all the trailers

00:04:53.680 for the movies coming out it's like pre-instagram like that was what i did to kill time apple.com

00:04:59.200 oh i remember that now the trailers are yeah i mean there's like maximum if you're if you're

00:05:03.780 thinking about like a like a cineplex there's maximum what three good movies a year okay we're

00:05:07.620 not getting into that but um listen listen to me listen to me right now and we sit one day we'll

00:05:12.300 talk about interstellar because we were like we will not be hemmed in by old associations no of

00:05:19.540 what wellness is for us we i feel like it came up in a point where we were like why why wouldn't

00:05:24.300 talking about interstellar for a full episode beep beep it is because right of course and also

00:05:29.720 because what captivated me initially but interstellar i was moved and i want to say

00:05:34.840 right now cried twice if not three times yeah much to my chagrin i said chagrin in the last episode

00:05:41.080 but i um is the movie good no but i mean no i disagree are there okay okay by the way i mean

00:05:49.000 by good by the way i'm sorry that's an american movie it is an american movie and there are some

00:05:55.660 there and see this is what i'm getting at is this a good movie i don't know what that question even 0.66

00:06:00.920 means i know but guess what did i cry twice if not three times yes yes so burn in hell for not 0.65

00:06:06.080 for calling it not a good movie right exactly no and i planned to burn in hell no right right 0.51

00:06:10.560 and and like oh wow has broken broken her silence her hand over her mouth say it is not a good movie

00:06:17.740 broke silence it's not a good movie okay listen i want to say wow you know what's interesting

00:06:23.440 there's a moment the score always stuck with me and there was a moment that i remember crying on

00:06:28.220 my flight that i imagined i layered score over a moment where there was no score in my mind 0.65

00:06:33.880 so the moment that i cry and honestly i'm not kidding it fucking works and i feel it right now 0.64

00:06:38.500 in my sternum yes i am extremely moved by when matthew mcconaughey mcconaughey i don't know how 0.94

00:06:45.640 to say his goddamn name mcconaughey i know we never have when he's by the way child timoth timotay 0.87

00:06:51.480 chalamet in it being great is it literally timotay it's literally timotay okay i thought people were 0.98

00:06:56.740 being like a little like funny when they were saying that oh timothy i have no idea right but

00:07:00.520 he but he's really good he's like 14 and he's you know he's throwing it away he's being so natural

00:07:05.020 i was like that's a star yeah anyway when he yells um the young girl unfortunately isn't doing it for

00:07:09.780 me i don't enjoy gorgeous 14 year old girls and i have to say i mean i shouldn't say i don't enjoy

00:07:15.740 i just mean that there's something really i know i know this is a whole this is the later thing but

00:07:21.140 the father-daughter romance to me is one of the most fraught obsessions in cultural history

00:07:27.240 and i have animosity too because i don't did not have the romance of riding in the truck with my 1.00

00:07:33.060 father and him going oh slugger you're just like me you're a dreamer baby i'm like just fuck already 0.99

00:07:38.920 disgusting mutants yeah i was gonna bring up because it was exactly what i wanted to talk 0.99

00:07:45.900 about like the apple of my eye my girl no yeah and also it's very much coding like bouncing on

00:07:51.840 the knee it's like looking at a map together well it's also it's all it's it's very much like

00:07:57.060 i mean what i find even more offensive is like i mean duh but like the girl hero must be excelling

00:08:04.040 in a traditionally masculine uh like she has value only because like like she just like daddy

00:08:13.840 like you know um also whatever like has an adventurous scientific spirit which is only 1.00

00:08:21.400 which is only can only be celebrated if she's conventionally hot and remains an obvious object 0.98

00:08:27.660 of meal consumption yes and desire so yes yes no if she were it's a sacrifice gazing at the stars 0.93

00:08:34.480 they'd be like get in the goddamn basement learn how to make bread make yourself useful in some way 0.95

00:08:39.720 if she were even you know eight pounds overweight oh it would be an entirely different story and 1.00

00:08:46.120 it would involve a scene there if it were the same movie but you know right even the slightest bit 1.00

00:08:52.260 overweight right there would be a scene of her being mocked at school there'd be a scene of 1.00

00:08:56.540 being mocked at school yeah it would be a fright it'd be an egg landing between squarely between

00:09:00.820 her two eyes but like because but because in this movie we've got this 14 year old who's 1.00

00:09:06.220 berry-lipped pouty huge eyes humongous and she's like perched on the edge of her bed being like 0.89

00:09:13.060 i love space i'm just like god damn it i find it really upsetting and offensive and i'm sick 0.93

00:09:18.760 the lack of the lack of imagination and yet in with casting children is just is is horrifying 0.88

00:09:25.100 i do right i believe children shouldn't act and i don't mean for their sake okay i believe and i

00:09:29.700 think you know this but i believe adults should play children um acting is not something that we

00:09:35.140 should have real children in like it's called art why is there a child in it why is there a child

00:09:39.680 involved in a project why why children are not artists also also there there's nothing more

00:09:45.320 psychotic than a good if someone is nine years old and is hitting their mark and loves being on set

00:09:50.720 that makes me believe a reincarnation right almost so i'm like well this clearly there's like

00:09:54.840 there's like a 62 year old lodged within this absolutely and specifically i mean i've read

00:10:01.860 those books what's his name raymond many minds well yes of course absolutely brian l weiss's

00:10:08.900 work in full i've read but but um uh ian stevenson's work at the university of virginia

00:10:15.520 virginia then carried on by um the other guy whose name i always forget so rude

00:10:19.240 but but i'm really sorry i'll bring it i'll drop him in the comments okay

00:10:24.740 so so in that book there's um all these children past lives and memories and i just i love the one

00:10:31.460 where there's a child in nebraska who's like where's my pool where's my pool i had a pool

00:10:36.820 in hollywood okay no stop and all the stars had sex with me whatever like yeah fully fully like 0.51

00:10:42.560 where's my pool like like i had a big house in hollywood and they all came over after like and

00:10:47.080 just like the the children of past life's memories is obviously we gotta get into that

00:10:51.680 you'll scream do you know stallone has a past life memory big time okay we gotta go there but

00:10:58.620 one but wait i just want to say but child actors with interstellar so that relationship for me

00:11:04.020 was upsetting but i but i was when i first when the tears started to roll for me and i do think

00:11:09.540 it's sorry powerful is when he's you know so again there's you know they're like summoning

00:11:17.320 him to space right you're the only one that can do this you got to go you got to go save the world

00:11:20.520 and she doesn't want her dad to leave of course and the score is swelling and he's like hugging

00:11:26.460 her and talking about how they're i'm getting frustrated trying to recall what the words are 0.88

00:11:34.240 because because it's kind of this stupid kind of there's a bit of this sort of you know kind of 0.90

00:11:38.820 cheesy thing of what does he say and also don't leave yeah yeah of course get out get out but 0.98

00:11:44.560 unfortunately matthew mcconaughey's grandly stuff is brutal it's worse than i ever knew

00:11:52.140 and because i was i i want to say the opposite and i can't wait detective i liked him and i

00:11:56.580 thought you know what he's going for it but it's working in this his carhartt jacket which

00:12:01.740 she wears later and i almost threw a vase because it was so embarrassing and i really

00:12:08.620 don't appreciate chastain in this but listen um but but but i have to say and he does this monologue

00:12:16.620 about like uh you know he says parents are the ghosts of their children's futures or something

00:12:22.180 which i'm like he's like i can't do that anymore for you and i was a little bit like i do space

00:12:27.140 movies in which it's all about men's inability to simply be there for for people and like needing

00:12:34.980 to go to space to be reminded that love is key billions of dollars to leave your like billions

00:12:39.640 of dollars so finally which which and again i do appreciate that theme for example also on a plane

00:12:44.220 i watched ad astra brad pitt remarkable actor i love i just like reinforcing that these stars are

00:12:50.260 good single thing about ad astra and yet i remember all i know is that he goes to space

00:12:53.620 to basically because he's so sad that his dad like never hugged him essentially and he goes

00:12:58.500 to space and sees his dad and his dad's like hey slugger and he's like i don't know i like that i

00:13:05.220 like it's like the loneliness of space is about the loneliness of masculinity right no and then

00:13:10.200 we throw women up there as a as a throwback i mean i mean not as a throwback as a um that's 1.00

00:13:14.800 why it's supposed to be subversive to see a woman sort of swimming through her ship you know swimming 1.00

00:13:19.140 through seeing the woman swimming through her ship yeah yeah without without the yeah gravity

00:13:24.020 is a big one like yeah the kind of well the thing about contact i mean it's so funny because like

00:13:28.280 contact's the original to me i mean maybe not the original but it's like it's like if you go far

00:13:32.540 enough into space you'll find god slash see your daughter's face oh my god okay father's face it's

00:13:38.640 always father daughter with space and it's no totally here's here's what here's what i almost

00:13:43.140 said i said if you go far enough into space you'll find yourself at home oh which is what which is

00:13:48.880 actually brilliant but like no if i may no but but that's the thing of like the furthest

00:13:54.780 see i i get frustrated talking about interstellar because there is because there are also these

00:14:00.760 massive and this is why i appreciate it because i do appreciate this kind of ambition towards

00:14:05.340 these huge questions about the nature of reality or space right in kind of a digestible hollywood

00:14:11.600 film i'm like yeah i i think there's there's merit in there but listen i cry and then the

00:14:16.420 tears start to roll when he leaves right the original abandonment yeah yeah okay the origin

00:14:21.180 you know she's abandoned and then she runs out of the house screaming and again the score is doing

00:14:26.320 a lot for me here we hear the screen door slam and she goes dad now you know and i was like i love

00:14:31.120 you i love you and i felt it and then he's driving and so in my memory he's strapped in he's going

00:14:36.440 into space right shaking on the rocket ship and the score is swelling and that's actually not true

00:14:40.840 i fabricated that when he's finally gets in and he starts rocketing to space there is no score

00:14:45.220 which actually is more brilliant cinematically because we hear the simple rattling of of the

00:14:49.000 machinery which i find to be much much yeah the simple rattling is clearly the answer you'd be a

00:14:53.900 fool to come about with we don't we know going like yeah silence in space is obviously infinitely

00:14:59.060 more terrifying than a terrifying scar you know no wait but hold on i have six things to say in 0.55

00:15:04.940 response okay one yeah no i think what you might be remembering is that there's a weird thing where

00:15:10.340 when he drives off through the corn or whatever okay to go to go to space they do this weird

00:15:15.020 thing where they treat him uh driving away from the house as the rocket as the rumbling uh take

00:15:21.600 off of the shot of the side of the car and so it's like it's like i think there is swelling score

00:15:27.220 then. Which is treated as

00:15:29.180 takeoff. I don't even think they do a countdown takeoff.

00:15:31.160 Suddenly he's just in space. No.

00:15:32.900 They do a takeoff.

00:15:35.420 They do a proper takeoff. But they don't do it with the

00:15:37.140 it's not as much the full 10, 9,

00:15:39.300 8, 7, 6, right? I think though

00:15:41.080 the 4, 3, 2, 1.

00:15:43.080 I think so. I think we see it.

00:15:44.520 And I like the way that's treated. It's kind of thrown

00:15:47.240 away. The launch is thrown away.

00:15:48.800 They knew to throw it away.

00:15:51.220 He's also thrown away. You know he shot like three other scenes

00:15:53.300 and it ended up on the cutting room floor.

00:15:55.320 What about father going into the school

00:15:56.960 the daughter they're just like oh see these tropes these tropes like i can't get enough of

00:16:02.200 like like like the dot he's called in because his daughter's too genius right and then him

00:16:08.220 celebrating her matt her traditionally masculinized interest she loves baseball so i'm gonna take her 0.58

00:16:12.980 to the baseball game tomorrow thank god it's like go to hell no yeah yeah maybe she's pretending to 0.98

00:16:19.160 like baseball because you're fucking impenetrable yeah and the only way she can lock eyes with you 1.00

00:16:23.140 is if she somehow subsumes all your interests 1.00

00:16:26.200 so you can finally connect with her.

00:16:28.680 Well, right.

00:16:29.100 The movie should almost be...

00:16:30.580 I mean, yeah, it's a weird masculine...

00:16:33.580 It's a weird fantasy on that level of like...

00:16:36.100 It's almost like Matthew McConaughey's character

00:16:37.640 is given credit somehow,

00:16:39.100 given points for loving his daughter in this film.

00:16:43.660 But only if she becomes him.

00:16:45.100 Right, and that's why it's made utterly easy

00:16:47.660 for him to love her.

00:16:49.480 She's carrying on his work.

00:16:50.820 she's the only one that insists that it was him the whole time or whatever and not yeah yeah yeah

00:16:55.200 that it wasn't just my genius you know like it we're almost like but it's like him being like 0.99

00:17:00.440 tits it's like because it's like oh it's a little me but with luscious natural tits he's finally 0.98

00:17:08.360 able to like love himself because he's able to in some other dimension finally become he's he's 0.98

00:17:15.780 finally able to accept his feminine only through peering into the into some space time wormhole

00:17:22.840 where his daughter his daughter's bedroom actually let's take a minute with that yeah bedroom is

00:17:27.900 because there's a moment where they go it's all a little girl's bedroom i know i know i know

00:17:32.940 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many

00:17:42.700 a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:17:49.760 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs so no i am not

00:17:56.180 your guru and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to everybody there were years

00:18:04.420 right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back to my hometown in northern

00:18:08.340 California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find

00:18:13.580 out what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:18:18.200 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:18:23.860 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

00:18:31.340 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:18:38.340 they go it's all a little girl's bedroom through space and time like the idea that the little

00:18:45.540 girl's bedroom is is is the portal i know i know future in space what could be more what could be

00:18:51.220 more inane more cast aside than a little girl's bedroom what could be more in you know a space of

00:18:58.160 right right right right what could be small oh they just they decided between um they decided

00:19:02.500 between um a um husk of a of a slug yeah exactly exactly or a chicken bedroom a rusted abandoned

00:19:10.180 chicken coop or a little girl's bedroom and they go we got we can't they go we can't pull punches

00:19:15.820 what's a more useless container for thought a little girl's bedroom or a rusted out chicken

00:19:20.980 coop and they went and they went bedroom yeah no no but this is no but i want to speak the

00:19:27.700 it helps me reckon with death this movie does help me reckon with death right okay and because

00:19:32.280 i i do like the fantasy of and again the score is helping a lot here but him going i'm going up

00:19:37.920 there and when i come back we might be the same age something about that so like that is powerful 0.76

00:19:43.820 there's something in there that really it did make me cry it fucking made me cry because well 0.82

00:19:48.380 there is a there is a in the movie there is a continue there are many moments where the people 0.92

00:19:53.740 are deciding you know to sacrifice their own um attachment to their own small little lives right

00:20:02.100 for the greater for the man i'm always shocked by the you know the desire people have to to get us

00:20:08.360 to a new planet and start fresh and i'm like yeah like imagine like like the effort like that i

00:20:15.300 don't know to have the real like the species must continue um instinct i always wonder if that i

00:20:20.400 don't know yeah it's a strange it's a strange one there is something i actually like even though it's

00:20:25.820 you know feels kind of ridiculous in the moment when he says the thing about like the parents

00:20:30.400 us parents are just we're making memories for our children like we're existing to be a memory

00:20:35.220 for our children and then like we're we're a future ghost of of whatever and then there's

00:20:40.160 like those hint lines like dad i thought you were the ghost like that's kind of cool right right

00:20:45.600 right anyway um but the return to the self-sacrifice and all that kind of stuff and the

00:20:51.700 idea of like we might be the same age to me is sort of like there is a there are dimensions beyond

00:20:56.060 that's where these things that you know where where there's more and then love is the most

00:21:01.380 powerful force in the universe ultimately in the movie which is hysterical and or is it gravity

00:21:06.560 or is love gravity it's yeah it's it's there's a lot of there's a lot of themes and if you clamp

00:21:12.140 down too hard on them they lose their ability to let the light in um yeah but i just wanted to say

00:21:18.880 here was i i just said i was like i'm gonna take notes okay and i'm gonna come into poog ready

00:21:22.540 and i have two notes that only two notes made it down yeah yeah the first matthew is a movie star

00:21:30.140 oh my god isn't that funny you loved him and i turned away well here's my realization because

00:21:35.440 it's embedded embedded in it is the same very concern so i have a thing where i double down

00:21:40.820 okay when i see an obvious flaw or whatever i double down and go the other way because like

00:21:45.900 i'm irritated yeah and then the other thing i wrote down and this is this is primo i have some

00:21:50.820 great moments i want to be clear you had some great moments because of emotional movement in

00:21:55.380 the movie my my eyes just sort of pricked with tears i felt that sensation when i saw this

00:21:59.480 because this is primo mcconaughey okay that's how i pronounce it sincere and i'll continue

00:22:03.820 through this episode but i just wrote it on slick do you know what that reference is in the movie

00:22:07.560 slick it's what he calls tars the robot okay like it's like his nickname for the robot okay

00:22:13.480 who he's like he's like there you are slick like like you know like like oh my god you survived

00:22:19.520 like like the humorous banter with your robot assistant which we see in iron man okay okay

00:22:26.340 which we see in a number of them i love skipping 2001 and going to iron man yeah yeah no right

00:22:32.360 right but it's on do little uh yeah my mom loved do little she's texted about texted me about like

00:22:42.440 three times my cousin rachel um has a joke i mean not a joke my cousin rachel like a private joke

00:22:48.480 my cousin rachel private joke just her saying um her she's thinking of imagining that if you were

00:22:54.720 like in the film my big fat great wedding okay how like you just like never saw it and all the

00:22:59.500 people get tired of you know you can't say the whole thing the whole time so they just call it

00:23:02.380 big fat and they're like like for years like they're like they're like well when i was doing

00:23:06.140 big fat oh my god big fat good wow um wait but i want to say mcconnelly is a start here's my

00:23:12.740 experience starts and i was like you know what because i live in this fear of overacting and

00:23:16.800 humiliation to just almost impossible not to and he has very transparent acting tics and yet

00:23:23.480 i found myself thinking why not go and do an audition not that i like ever do this but 0.96

00:23:27.260 go hard drop drop a why not go into an audition and just be a goddamn movie star okay like why 0.94

00:23:34.520 are we like it's like we're it's like in my mind i want to like i i never think to like 0.99

00:23:38.440 give him everything in the audition i'm so like like like i i'm almost like well it'd be humiliating

00:23:44.440 like i'm not gonna fully go forward here i mean they'd be humiliated for me like you're almost

00:23:48.460 like i have to show them i can do it but i'm not ridiculous and of course that's the very

00:23:52.180 it's not terrible that's the expectation you're supposed to give them exactly what you're going

00:23:55.820 to give them on set as if as if and like yeah it's like it's like humiliating and like yeah

00:24:02.520 you have to and so then i was like thinking like instead of this sort of like oh let me let me like

00:24:06.900 act or like let me like try to like okay like what would it be like to be his character how

00:24:11.300 about just try to be a star okay i think it's a hysterical approach to an audition that i feel

00:24:17.280 like you know none of the books you're talking about right michael shirtleaf okay i just had i

00:24:22.820 just had a fantasy declin donald imagine going in you do the audition the casting director very

00:24:28.020 composed thank you closes the door and then falls to their knees crying crumbling because they were

00:24:32.840 so moved i just had a photorealistic fantasy of that thank you so much great to see you click

00:24:43.000 them knowing they have to be professional so they get you out they hurry you out

00:24:51.300 they hurry you out and you go they hated me i guess great to see you yeah better fantasy okay

00:24:56.360 i come out i get pushed out the door like so fast yeah and you're in the waiting room waiting for

00:25:00.960 me i made it me now okay okay you're waiting waiting for me okay and you're like oh no what 0.71

00:25:05.220 happened okay how'd it go you're like oh god they must have hated you and i and i a sick egotist

00:25:10.600 go wait wait i'm not so sure and then i walk back to the door i press my ear and i hear quiet so

00:25:16.100 oh my god i mean oh my god i mean like look um but but but but imagine going in and just being

00:25:25.760 like so i was like very i was experiencing mcconaughey and i was like it's like tom cruise

00:25:30.660 for me it's like yeah give it like like you can like for me it's brad it's leo i mean i just yeah

00:25:36.880 i mean it's like i die for them both you know why don't we go into an audition in theory okay

00:25:41.420 and go like and just be like like what is me as a true star like if if it were like again this is

00:25:47.420 like my thing last week about like okay what if you had to convince everyone you were singer

00:25:50.840 songwriter in like two seconds improvised right right and get the gig like get a record deal now

00:25:56.320 and you're like sorry johnny i never meant to see the things i did okay what's the acting

00:26:03.420 equivalent what's the acting equivalent it's like what if you okay here's one what is what am i

00:26:08.500 okay what's your impression of me but me being my most star power version like if you you know

00:26:13.900 like i mean i don't understand because i'm like you've already done it like i don't like i'm not

00:26:18.700 just saying this i'm like no no i mean i go oh no no but like acting star i don't know acting

00:26:26.020 I don't know. I think I just want to be a Matthew McConaughey kind of like, I kind of just want to be like, oh, well, I've always, yes, listen, I've always had extreme jealousy and fascination of the male actor, the like, the like expert male actor, because they are, they get to, they get to be tacky in a way that like, I would argue, like, oh, yeah, so they get to like ham it up in this way.

00:26:51.400 but that women if they are hamming it up in that way it's like instantly it's immediately fused to 0.85

00:26:58.740 like melodrama and like femininity and like autobiography or something but the male actor 0.99

00:27:03.900 and the male movie star right yeah is the ultimate like like is the ultimate like to be a male movie

00:27:09.540 star no one's questioning your masculinity right right because you're a big star and a sex uh

00:27:15.420 symbol or whatever right yeah and yet of course like to act is kind of inherently um what we think

00:27:21.560 of as like you know like feminine i guess like like to be in a um to dress up and to dress up 0.77

00:27:28.480 pretend to let yourself go yeah to be to transform you know all that shit and so it's like almost 0.97

00:27:34.600 like they get to have it all they get to have it fucking all and then they get to go out for a 0.98

00:27:39.240 martini and like be like oops my fly's unzipped help me with that miss they get it all and they 0.97

00:27:47.320 get to they get their emotionality on screen gets to remain dominant yes and like you know whereas

00:27:54.300 like women's emotionality on screen somehow well they're not applauded for it yeah or they're not 0.72

00:28:01.400 they're not applauded for it as being see if a woman is emotional they're like well she's already

00:28:05.340 like that she was crying in her trailer yeah then she just they turned the camera on her

00:28:08.900 the man they're like they're like leo dug deep

00:28:12.540 yeah yeah so you know they dug deep so there's this there's this applauding almost of the

00:28:19.500 of the male like big movie star of that as though they are in some way threatening their own

00:28:26.140 masculinity nobly for our entertainment yeah yeah and that's why like like when they cry

00:28:32.180 and yet it yet there is a thrill i mean jason momoa right he was crying in a movie i was

00:28:38.080 watching the other night movie um uh sweet baby oh no sweet girl sweet girl and i i'm like such

00:28:46.260 an idiot i'm like it starts and he's crying he's sobbing okay in a hospital and um and i was like

00:28:52.160 loving it i was loving seeing momoa momoa sob and i felt like joy for him because like sometimes i 0.99

00:28:57.640 feel like you know oh like you're you're big and strong and you're only cast as an action hero and

00:29:02.720 i like literally turned across i'm like i'm really happy for him you know just being in a proper

00:29:06.660 drama i said proper drama i'm pretty sure it's an action movie and it quickly you know sort of

00:29:11.520 became one i'm going back to i'm going back to interest i would say i felt emotion too when he

00:29:16.040 there's this great and see this is what i'm like that's exciting because it makes me excited about

00:29:19.460 space there's a planet they go to right and for every hour that they spend on this planet gathering

00:29:24.320 data seven years passes on earth and i'm like that's fucking cool and so they crash there there's

00:29:29.220 a mistake they accidentally spent too much time there yes and so all this time has passed on earth 0.99

00:29:33.580 and they're like fighting they're like fuck and yeah you bastard like whatever and then he gets 0.99

00:29:39.060 back on the ship he thought he was going to be gone for you know a couple minutes he was there 1.00

00:29:42.520 you know an hour or two hours lost all this time lost decades right and then he goes back on the

00:29:48.000 ship and the messages start pouring in from his children and for him mere minutes have passed and

00:29:52.900 for them decades have passed and it's like that also i i cry to that too because it's like the

00:29:58.360 that's what i thought you'd cry yeah and watching him cry i'm like and it's also funny because

00:30:02.240 that's just also like so much of what fatherhood is like the dads miss years like they are gone

00:30:07.760 for decades you know it's like kind of this thing of like it's like he's sitting in the chair going

00:30:11.960 she was a baby or my son was a was a little boy and now he has a baby and it's like right and i

00:30:19.240 don't mean to just all pin it on dads but i just mean there's something about that the brutal

00:30:27.100 passage of time and the abstraction of time that like that little scene of them going out for an 0.85

00:30:33.160 hour and seven years having suddenly passed is like it's goddamn it's working on me it's working

00:30:37.820 on me and i'm crying in my on my sofa i think to not acknowledge that okay so i was just like this 0.96

00:30:45.060 is a movie okay i'm like this is it is a movie you know what it is a goddamn movie i want to look 0.95

00:30:50.860 up the budget now yeah and i'm like i'm like for me nolan are you ready i just want to be ridiculous 0.81

00:30:57.680 yeah christopher nolan makes movies oh you know by the way yes and you know also what's his

00:31:04.500 brother's name what's his brother's name well god i saw him speak jonathan raised raised by wolves

00:31:09.440 raised by wolves i repeat everyone go watch raised by wolves i truly watched the pilot three times

00:31:13.900 because I was so kind of captivated

00:31:15.240 and then never made a pass.

00:31:16.580 I have to return.

00:31:17.520 It's Christopher Nolan's brother.

00:31:19.460 It is.

00:31:20.240 I didn't realize that was so good. 0.99

00:31:22.340 It's a it's a goddamn Nolan. 0.99

00:31:23.800 I saw him. 1.00

00:31:24.360 It's a silent Nolan.

00:31:25.360 I saw.

00:31:25.780 No.

00:31:26.000 Well, yeah.

00:31:26.900 Well, no.

00:31:27.800 No, no.

00:31:28.440 Yeah.

00:31:28.700 I saw Jonathan Nolan speak.

00:31:30.040 So he's always been sort of

00:31:31.080 the primary one in my mind,

00:31:32.760 despite, you know,

00:31:33.420 I'm like, he wrote Memento Mori

00:31:35.000 or whatever.

00:31:35.940 The budget of Interstellar,

00:31:37.640 the budget of Interstellar,

00:31:39.520 the budget of Interstellar

00:31:40.860 was one hundred and sixty five million.

00:31:42.520 And you know what?

00:31:43.900 am good okay no i was just like i love being in this cornfield it's always interesting like okay

00:31:49.820 what images stuck in your head from the first time you see it so i hadn't seen it in years and years

00:31:55.060 and years interstellar right and these were the images going in i had the bookcase slash

00:31:59.660 fifth dimensional physical representation of time physical thing yeah and then i had

00:32:05.740 her on the little screen like crying and like being an adult woman now leaving the message for 0.99

00:32:12.140 father and she's like you son of a bitch i said to the screen i was like get over it she's like 1.00

00:32:18.600 she's like where are you come back and i just got like i know you gotta move on doll and she's 1.00

00:32:24.280 wearing his carhartt jacket and she like she's way too yeah i'm sorry it just didn't do it for

00:32:31.600 me dressed a little like actually i noticed her hair i spent a moment like an ann taylor loft

00:32:36.360 blouse breezing around the space station yeah yeah when she's working on a on a um when she's

00:32:42.580 working on a a formula or whatever work on the equation on the blackboard she's in a like some

00:32:49.380 kind of shirt tucked into impeccably fitted jeans with a belt okay i just want to say like come on 1.00

00:32:55.200 and a belt that was there for style it wasn't holding anything up okay oh my god tight ass 0.93

00:32:59.200 you still like slid the belt through the belt loop that morning yeah in theory this character 0.97

00:33:03.700 yeah yeah slid the belt well we had a belt as i'm going in to save mankind yeah yeah like that

00:33:10.460 belt is a lie like that belt is a cruel and then her hair at least they had the like you know

00:33:15.240 wisdom to just have it in a low chignon kind of thing right but like and i'm like well chestine's 0.91

00:33:21.580 hair like i guess could arguably be like that smooth and straight and appear to like have been

00:33:26.180 blown out like arguably like some people's hair is like that maybe hair as we all know often takes

00:33:33.300 is out no that's why i was wondering if it took you out here the great ruiner the great ruiner

00:33:37.520 of cinema not here this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather

00:33:45.860 it was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer

00:33:54.020 disappeared from a commune it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and

00:33:59.000 praying. I'm in drugs. No, I am not your guru. And back then, I lied to my parents. I lied to

00:34:07.440 police. I lied to everybody. There were years, writer, where I could not say your name. I've

00:34:12.360 decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk

00:34:16.380 to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened. Isn't it a little

00:34:21.680 bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend? They have

00:34:25.940 had this case for 30 years i'll teach you sons of to come around here and my wife boom boom this is

00:34:33.380 the red weather listen to the red weather on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you

00:34:40.240 get your podcasts i'm gonna be clear i love interstellar okay i'm gonna be clear interstellar

00:34:51.280 i think is still love it i'm like this is what it's about and you know what part of it is like

00:34:55.060 the audacity of like making film in that way like thrills me like there's just something i agree

00:35:00.020 the bookshelf the psychosis of that the bookshelf the final the matrix of the grid and it's the 0.52

00:35:04.760 shelves i'm like absolutely fuck it and then this thing of like him oh oh that's that is when i 0.85

00:35:11.340 teared up too at the beginning it's when she's like the books you know they fell out and it's 0.99

00:35:16.100 spelled it says stay and i was like chills through my fucking spine furious and for not listening in 0.85

00:35:23.160 that moment but he was being guided by those above and like that thing of yeah stay i was like 0.92

00:35:29.000 oh god i know my daughter knows morse okay and i'm like i'm i'm i'm making fun of all this having

00:35:34.660 fully your daughter's morse now or like even better in the show it's like it's like she knows

00:35:40.500 she's like is it morse okay and he and like they even like give her the like him being like no

00:35:45.740 it's binary like they still give the right answer to papa kind of you know yeah but like reveal that

00:35:50.380 she like already knows it's like this isn't any girl this is my girl like the father's belief 0.98

00:35:54.740 that their daughter isn't um isn't just the trash sluts that the rest of the daughters are yeah 0.97

00:36:00.500 yeah exactly exactly it's just and and and yet like and because it's such a potent like or 0.99

00:36:06.100 seductive fantasy like i can't help but enjoy i can't help so like you know he runs off to chase

00:36:11.500 a drone or whatever in his car and yet no more if you can't come with me right and then and then

00:36:17.040 she's under the jackets she's hidden as a stowaway and he he looks at her like laugh you're just like

00:36:22.560 me exactly slugger and also the name murph like how dare they how dare go to hell it's really 0.96

00:36:28.800 upsetting like her name should have been goddamn samantha yeah just should have been alice okay 0.85

00:36:34.140 it should have been annabella yeah yeah yeah exactly the insistence like we know unless you 0.94

00:36:40.500 have a masculinized name that of course completely and the friction of that and the masculinity of

00:36:46.380 that against her 14 year old big eyes juicy lipped yeah oh god i wonder what's in those jeans baby 1.00

00:36:53.580 it's just it's perverse and fuck you fuck you no and it's like it's like i experience a jealousy 1.00

00:37:00.360 that yeah call me when murph's hideous yeah call me when murph is is fucking not cute yeah imagine 1.00

00:37:08.240 him coming back to earth and she's like no well then he'd be elected president of the world 0.94

00:37:13.420 instantly okay if he like still showed love for her okay if he came back despite like her

00:37:19.420 hideosity they would like it would just be another performance of like his excellence yeah yeah like

00:37:24.940 can you but exactly look at him a hug oh my god Makani can you picture Makani pulling her

00:37:30.520 in a hug with the crook of his elbow okay you know that look where they pull him right into the

00:37:35.360 clothes and they're like ha ha ha but like yeah I can watch Makani for 90 hours do anything I think

00:37:41.740 and that's that's the movie star thing i just watch him be like i just got chills again thinking

00:37:45.540 like what would it be like to be him in a movie like to be i mean to be on set well because that's

00:37:50.800 i'm like no oh a real person who is mcconaughey but in life like don't like just to be like i

00:37:56.700 never did say like like like he's got these lines in it like what did he say a big oh um oh god the

00:38:02.040 robot's like it's impossible okay and he goes or it's not possible he's like it's not possible

00:38:07.380 it's necessary and i'm like i don't remember that yeah i'm like i'd go in and try to like

00:38:12.220 throw it away or something of that again like to make it about acting but like you know i'd be like 0.73

00:38:16.520 it would just be too much it's like have the fucking courage if you're an actor to be like 0.53

00:38:20.100 it's not possible no but it's necessary like to give in yeah to not have to um complicate and 0.52

00:38:27.820 fracture every film tv and entertainment trope you know in the name of fracturing tropes yeah

00:38:35.920 say the lines like i want to be popping popcorn in my mouth i know i know throwing it throwing 0.98

00:38:41.200 it as you do tossing it in eyes wide no it's a goddamn movie you're you're yeah you know take 0.97

00:38:47.120 me to the movies it's a movie take me to the movies and like and that that ending okay so 0.97

00:38:54.180 the wormhole stuff i like there's the there's the um the thing of it explains it very simply

00:39:00.440 the wormhole like you can go from point a to point b and he folds the paper and goes or you

00:39:04.080 can go directly through and that is and that's the stuff that helps me reckon with death of of

00:39:09.620 him in the bookshelf slammed up against the bookshelf the matrix bookshelf like that is so

00:39:13.100 crazy in a way them yes that i'm like i just i i love it i eat it up because it's just it's so

00:39:18.340 bonkers and so then him god for pushing the books off the shelf thank god for him thanks for dreaming

00:39:24.360 bad for no thanks for dreaming so we know how and guess guess guess what i was thinking interstellar

00:39:30.060 three hours guess what i'm not thinking about my life yeah you know what i mean even there on the

00:39:33.640 couch it's not in 4k you know it's like my eye i'm like doesn't matter left my glasses in the car

00:39:38.300 the image is maybe slightly fuzzy i'm gone i'm still gone i was thinking about that i was thinking

00:39:42.960 about what is it because i was like i feel like it's always treated as though oh you know you get

00:39:48.320 to turn off the brain to watch a movie whatever and that's always treated but it's it's not just

00:39:52.040 a turn off the brain in order to be distracted and you're just distracted by her things happening

00:39:57.040 okay yeah i actually there's there's a world you enter that is the world of yourself and every

00:40:02.320 movie you've ever watched okay so when i slip into the water of watching a movie i remember

00:40:07.880 every other time i've watched it's a private it's a private dream space you're exactly correct

00:40:11.500 and who is it freud explored the explored the connection between films and and dream right or 0.74

00:40:17.340 what am i talking about fucking everyone who's ever made a movie i mean that's the whole thing 0.91

00:40:20.360 about the movie oh god delete i'm a fool eisenstein montage memory you know but there is 0.98

00:40:27.040 there is of course the and i was like oh i'm gonna read some like heady interstellar bullshit before 0.61

00:40:32.820 i come on here and never did but but there is a the the interstellar thing of course in the back 0.95

00:40:37.980 the subtext is christopher nolan of course juicing his cock in the editing room being like being like

00:40:46.940 and and cinema is the collapse of space and time and it is through cinema that we that we live 0.98

00:40:52.580 forever and that we and that we access um that we come to experience our own death and our own

00:40:57.920 life and our yeah are you ready for my take on once upon a time in hollywood oh my god give it 0.77

00:41:02.400 now bitch okay so the whole sharon tate thing right yeah to me what's so like beautiful about 0.97

00:41:08.000 the film the final moment got her on the on the on the intercom or whatever hello or whatever 0.96

00:41:13.000 like i can't remember i thought i haven't seen it since i saw the theaters but the impression i was

00:41:17.000 i was left with that i i loved is that to me what the movie is saying is that in hollywood we get to

00:41:22.360 have a happy ending if we want now it's not as simple as that okay but it is because here's the

00:41:27.260 thing it's saying it is there is an alternate reality okay and what do we do as filmmakers

00:41:31.840 we create okay we create worlds okay yeah it is it is this is like we we create these we create

00:41:41.140 alternate realities and we do it like to me that's what's so moving about los angeles as well

00:41:46.420 are you ready los and los angeles believes that you can create a reality and i don't mean like

00:41:52.340 in a self-help way i mean like like you see one house next to another house and there's no

00:41:56.640 architectural like like connection between them each house is its own production and they're like

00:42:01.180 mine's a greek like mansion okay the architectural diversity of los angeles cannot be overstated

00:42:06.060 cannot be overstated and it reveals here we believe we can we can make our dreams we can

00:42:11.300 realize our dreams in that way we can we can i have an imagination i want my dream to be a

00:42:15.480 grecian palace like my house here it is and then like so that movie it's like what are we doing

00:42:20.960 in hollywood if not creating it's like to me it's a it's a cinematic to me what it says is this there

00:42:27.300 is a world where sharon tate was not killed yes exactly or where sharon tate lives on or where

00:42:31.400 sharon tate is knocking her wrist against the five-dimensional time bookcase okay it's let us

00:42:37.120 watch that let us see that let us see the truth that death is not the end okay or or a given death

00:42:44.280 in a given timeline in a given nightmare in on earth right it's like let me see that play out

00:42:49.560 because there's a truth in it her not dying in a movie her not dying in a movie her surviving in

00:42:53.860 the movie right is representative of if you believe in the soul okay like she's fine she is

00:43:00.160 fine and it is and it's the story thing of like there are multiple timelines there are multiple

00:43:04.320 potential stories and they can all exist at once but you're just seeing one at a time there's a

00:43:10.260 reality where she lives and why not if if we why not give ourselves that okay we have all the tools

00:43:16.040 we have millions of dollars budgets why not you know build a dream space that shows i don't know

00:43:22.540 i'm not quite nailing it but you feel it right that's what that's and that's why it's once upon

00:43:27.720 a time in hollywood you see that's why it's to me it's why it's meaningful yes it's about the

00:43:33.220 most beautiful thing hollywood can do which is let someone live forever and also and then of course

00:43:37.340 the double thing of you know the the celebrities are beyond death thing yes those icons those they

00:43:42.340 they are beyond death and the cinematic image success when it's the only route to immortality

00:43:48.880 come on baby i want to live forever and that's what and hence even even a podcast can provide

00:43:53.720 at the voices going throughout time here and who's listening to me right now there's somebody

00:43:58.180 there's somebody bouncing in a in a truck in kansas right now listening to me baby well literally

00:44:02.920 literally literally there's at least one truck driver who spoke up literally spoke up and was

00:44:08.740 like i listen to poog or someone told me their friend like where wherever you are right now

00:44:13.040 bouncing down the road we want to hear from you yeah we're with you okay god to think like what

00:44:18.460 like like rain and and um the windshield wiper slapping time uh holding bobber's hand of mine

00:44:24.920 okay listen we have to wrap up and that i think i think what we should say and again

00:44:32.040 this is great on the topic of death and and multiple dimensions that we here at poog are

00:44:38.220 taking a small hiatus everything's fine but this is technically the last episode of our first of

00:44:44.280 the season and there's no other way i'm just gonna lay it out simply as such right you're just like

00:44:49.680 you're just like jessica's testing when she goes and delivers the news to dr brand or whatever that

00:44:53.900 her father did she's like her father's died i'm sorry he passed away he he was at peace yeah

00:44:59.220 no yeah so so again this is the final episode of pook season one there's no other way to say it

00:45:05.080 can you imagine i mean but daddy's leaving but yeah daddy's leaving will daddy be gone forever

00:45:09.380 will daddy be gone forever will daddy be gone forever yes and and that's you here to die so 1.00

00:45:13.480 to speak yeah yeah we're not leaving you here to die to die to choke son of a bitch choke on dust 1.00

00:45:19.000 yeah to choke on dust and the promise of corn but but we are going to go into the ether and to pull 1.00

00:45:26.260 more um the only reason i'm hesitating is because we haven't told corporate that we want to take a

00:45:31.780 few weeks oh please of course it's good it's good for the brain it's good for the people everyone's

00:45:37.440 gonna go away they're gonna have a little moment refresh they gotta refresh you gotta refresh

00:45:41.340 currently when they listen to this i'll be in boston and i i will be waiting and by the way i

00:45:45.240 did see mailing list signups i was very excited about this and by the way there's one thing a

00:45:49.180 mailing list does i mean it can cross space and time it's very interstellar-esque that we're

00:45:53.140 recording it now and that it's very interstellar we're recording this now yes and then okay whatever 0.59

00:45:58.400 it's too fucking obvious to say it Jesus Christ 0.68

00:46:00.720 pulling back no but I did want 0.91

00:46:02.640 to say that mailing lists I was going

00:46:04.640 to go further and just say you know

00:46:06.500 if we are shot up into space at least a

00:46:08.500 mailing list I mean that's the thing you

00:46:10.500 know the emails they do not go away

00:46:12.580 okay listen do you want

00:46:14.560 to hear something you think the first thing getting set up on

00:46:16.420 Saturn's

00:46:18.020 satellite planet isn't

00:46:20.980 Netscape something

00:46:22.260 did you know Jacqueline 0.63

00:46:24.400 there is a physical

00:46:26.280 ramification for email

00:46:27.940 that there's such thing as digital waste

00:46:30.340 and that your email 1.00

00:46:32.100 your fucking junk mail 1.00

00:46:34.760 from Bonobos or whatever 1.00

00:46:36.460 is taking up

00:46:38.820 physical space 0.99

00:46:40.820 in a god damn 0.99

00:46:42.680 computer that's like 0.99

00:46:44.560 underground in Tucson

00:46:45.640 there is a physical

00:46:47.440 no they're not immaterial

00:46:50.020 I saw something that made me want to

00:46:52.260 leap out of a 12 story building

00:46:54.620 there is a physical

00:46:57.760 the emails aren't just email

00:46:59.740 they're physical too

00:47:00.920 I have horrible news

00:47:02.800 wouldn't it be funny if that was

00:47:04.600 no that's because you're not hitting expunge

00:47:06.380 you just moved the stuff into the trash

00:47:08.380 the trash is fake

00:47:11.000 the trash is fake

00:47:12.300 but truly fake because you know once you truly delete

00:47:14.460 you go into the trash and you have to delete your trash

00:47:16.600 I'm saying wouldn't it be funny

00:47:18.260 if it revealed that the piles of computers

00:47:21.320 that are holding all that

00:47:22.840 are only the people's trash box

00:47:24.780 and if we all delete from our trash box

00:47:27.700 You know what I'm talking about, right?

00:47:28.720 Yes.

00:47:29.020 Two layers of deleting.

00:47:30.120 The final delete.

00:47:31.000 The final delete.

00:47:32.060 The expunge, it used to be called in the Apple world.

00:47:35.140 Then those computers collapse.

00:47:36.940 Okay. 0.99

00:47:37.760 This is pathetic. 0.98

00:47:38.580 Why build email if it's going to have physical detritus? 0.99

00:47:41.100 I know. 1.00

00:47:41.380 Are you fuckers out of your mind? 1.00

00:47:44.060 So we're exponentially screwed. 1.00

00:47:46.080 It was never electronic.

00:47:46.740 It was never electronic is the truth.

00:47:48.700 It was never what they said.

00:47:50.200 And few things are.

00:47:50.880 It was snail mail the whole time.

00:47:52.340 And you can't even burn it for fuel.

00:47:53.720 At least you can burn regular mail for fuel.

00:47:56.400 I know.

00:47:56.620 Okay we gotta go

00:47:58.340 I love you

00:47:59.360 We'll be back

00:48:00.260 We'll be back of course

00:48:01.360 I know I don't talk about how things save me anymore

00:48:03.900 But Poog

00:48:04.300 Poog has saved me again and again

00:48:06.480 And I'm truly devastated

00:48:08.500 Thought I'm not recording like in a week

00:48:10.500 It's just hell on earth

00:48:11.900 But it's fine we'll be back

00:48:13.120 I love you I love everyone here

00:48:15.320 Love y'all

00:48:16.000 Love y'all

00:48:17.080 Love y'all so much 1.00

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - September 07, 2021

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