Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - June 30, 2026


Preparation Killed

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REMIX: Kate's Lies REMIX: Poog 101

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00:00:00.780 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.
00:00:02.340 I'm Jacqueline Novak.
00:00:03.440 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.
00:00:08.160 Two untamable intellects.
00:00:09.940 This is our hobby. 0.97
00:00:10.780 This is our hell.
00:00:11.640 This is our naked desire for free products.
00:00:13.940 This is POOG.
00:00:15.360 Today's topic, loosely speaking.
00:00:17.340 Partition.
00:00:18.320 Ten parts.
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00:00:24.920 So, this is headache, POOG, among other things.
00:00:28.760 I'm depleted.
00:00:29.460 I still believe, like, I mean, of course I do. 0.99
00:00:33.220 You know, it's the premise of my fucking book. 0.99
00:00:36.100 What? 0.99
00:00:36.520 That there's value in, like, not putting on a sunny face, okay?
00:00:41.680 Of course.
00:00:42.560 So, non-stop headaches. 0.99
00:00:44.760 Could also be the toxic air in Los Angeles, which is going to drive us all to an early fucking grave. 0.98
00:00:50.060 Oh, that reminds me. 0.96
00:00:51.780 Well, I have my thing turned off right now because if I turn it on, I think it'll be kind of noisy.
00:00:55.980 I will say, like, back to the old classic, it's like how COVID lockdown really worked for me.
00:01:05.060 Yeah.
00:01:05.480 I'm like...
00:01:06.360 Whiddled the world down to more manageable size.
00:01:08.300 Yes.
00:01:10.260 And I was able to get in a routine.
00:01:16.080 I mean, just I would do my exercise in my room.
00:01:19.960 I mean, you know, to do it in my own setting and just be in this state of self-authority where I would do my exercise, you know, I would do Tracy with my my mode and the whole thing and my music and then and I'd have my my humidifier going and then I'd get in the shower.
00:01:36.640 Yeah.
00:01:36.840 And I'd have a delicious shower and then I'd get out and I'd put on my evening clothes and I'd come down and have dinner. Okay. And then watch some tube and then go to sleep and then wake up. I mean, it was, it was like something wasn't moving, you know, like there was a backdrop that was stable and.
00:01:58.660 yeah totally to work against a stable backdrop i mean this is the you know the adhd way it's like
00:02:05.760 literally everything's moving everything's malleable yeah and so it's just and then similarly
00:02:10.640 this is why even though there's benefits to going outside and when i'm home i i do i mean we go on
00:02:18.160 walks non-stop because i have to believe in them but it's like all all to say there's something
00:02:24.140 about shut all the windows turn on the air filters that really appeals to me yeah like it's
00:02:30.800 like it's like pull the windows close it's like draw the curtains and i know sometimes i say and
00:02:35.820 pretend it's christmas you know what i mean yeah but like put on like a youtube video of a snowy
00:02:42.180 place and like an actual one you know like oh yeah you you turned me you had me do yeah i remember
00:02:48.460 and there's like bad ones that are like this like ai hell but then there are things that are like
00:02:52.480 you're actually riding on a train like it's a camera on the front of a train going through
00:02:57.440 snowy mountains yeah or if you close all the curtains you can take the box of your house and
00:03:04.000 go including apartments it slides out okay it slides out can soar anywhere you go like where
00:03:10.540 is it oh my house has just like gone up right tornado above that's fun and now it has landed
00:03:15.440 and where am i where do i land it for a little while on the beach maybe and close my eyes but
00:03:19.520 i know the ocean's right out there i don't know i've got my ice cap on you know this thing right
00:03:24.040 i was wondering what that is oh it's for a headache yeah it's like have that it's like
00:03:28.580 there are like lesser ones and then there are better ones this one has seems good you see this
00:03:34.060 velcro that like so you can also do kind of pressure if you want headache cap tightness
00:03:39.000 and um i'm missing one of the inserts now but well goop is officially dead boycotted over oh
00:03:47.500 And also mass food poisoning. And my friend got food poisoning from goop two nights ago
00:03:53.520 from the tofu spring rolls. She had one tofu goop spring roll, woke up in the middle of the night,
00:04:00.360 couple hours later, projectile vomiting, diarrhea, pure hell. Yep. And I saw somebody mentioned to
00:04:07.000 me all over TikTok a few weeks ago, it was talking about goop food poisoning. To be clear,
00:04:11.920 this was before Gwyneth Paltrow added herself as a genocidal, absolute lunatic with 0.93
00:04:17.500 greed's so bottomless that I can't imagine what it would feel like to live under the weight of 0.98
00:04:21.980 that kind of soulless greed. It's just, I hope it feels like something, but apparently she feels
00:04:27.800 nothing and we might know why. Yeah. So goop was officially completely done and yeah, also causing
00:04:34.640 food poisoning. It was all over Reddit for a while that the salmon was causing food poisoning.
00:04:40.180 Oh yeah. It was all over. And I was like, I'm still going to order it because I was really
00:04:45.300 into the chili and but i mean ghost kitchens you know yeah i saw something that and i'm closing my
00:04:53.680 eyes because of the headache if you don't mind but yeah i saw something on a billboard that was
00:04:58.020 like i forget what it was called should be called the ghosties but whatever it was like uber or
00:05:03.000 something uber eats but it was like it was like saying like our first year of awards for basically
00:05:08.360 ghost kitchen only like so so like uber eats right it was like an awards situation a competition
00:05:15.240 for ghost kitchens yes because so many things on uber eats right you see all these things and
00:05:20.400 you know they're ghost kitchen because they're like highly targeted you know like it'll be like
00:05:24.280 you know like fuck carbs and you're like i haven't seen that restaurant right and then like next to 0.66
00:05:29.720 it is like keto king or something and then like next to it is or those are like the same but 0.99
00:05:33.620 point is one of the only ways that you can really usually get a sense for delivery is to go look up 0.96
00:05:40.220 the actual restaurant right and so you go oh this restaurant or this restaurant looks like shit or
00:05:44.700 whatever i'm going to trust the delivery or i'm not going to trust the delivery we need some kind 0.60
00:05:49.620 of system where they're raiding the ghost kitchen specifically and against each other we need
00:05:53.640 to have faith that it's not just coming out of some guy's like apartment or if it is
00:05:58.120 if anybody wants by the way people are going oh but goop isn't it healthy by the way it's not the
00:06:02.780 the the i got the teriyaki chicken whatever it's like the sweetest glaze you've ever had
00:06:08.300 whenever i order goop i'm like this isn't like health food this is just like no no whatever
00:06:12.840 but like everything's drenched in oil and sugar and it's frankly some of it's like straight up
00:06:18.000 gross but now that it's been known to cause wide food poisoning and that the person at the top is
00:06:23.380 you know bloodless if you're craving something healthy you know it's actual health food and
00:06:27.980 this is again limited to los angeles but i knew this was coming mcafe hive rise up by the way
00:06:34.060 the macro bowl that is health food the curry broth bowl and that you can add tempeh you can
00:06:42.400 add if you want they have a salmon they have an mcafe the macrobiotic way have a ghost kitchen
00:06:49.880 they have a location and a ghost kitchen yes but i i mean i ordered from it like three days in a
00:06:54.820 row i also want to shout out paper rice which i think is based in pasadena but they have
00:06:58.780 these like these spring rolls they're really good and i don't know but um mcafe is a huge
00:07:03.980 i've been locking on their turmeric broth ginger broth and then going at it one of these days i'm
00:07:09.980 gonna just i'm gonna make it at home it's not hard but then in a moment of desperation and i
00:07:15.580 appreciate that it comes in kind of now i don't know maybe maybe this sort of this sort of laminated
00:07:21.040 paper cups are not better something than plastic but they do feel better than when like the when
00:07:27.500 the you get the soup and the hot soup and the plastic take out and you're just like it feels
00:07:33.700 like it's a dental mold that you've just boiled and can mold to a shape you're just like i'm
00:07:39.660 talking about you get you order really hot soup to the home yeah yeah no no i know so this comes
00:07:44.340 in like the paper cup so it just feels a little a little less toxic um that's nice and then have
00:07:50.780 you watched that plastic documentary yet i haven't i haven't and we you know although i was it's 0.71
00:07:55.960 focused on fertility oh really i'm like who fucking cares i mean i obviously i care or we 0.61
00:08:01.020 all care whatever but it's mostly about like straight couples trying to get pregnant i'm like 0.93
00:08:05.660 okay
00:08:06.460 there's these tragedies that this guy can't reproduce
00:08:12.020 but yeah i think that the plastics you know 0.99
00:08:15.720 i think to me to me to me though it's like yeah if it's fucking infertility it's fucking 0.98
00:08:21.200 everything no no no no it's a huge issue it's horrible i'm just saying that doc 0.96
00:08:25.000 yeah yeah specifically through the lens of oh i think i saw yeah yeah yeah and then what else did 0.94
00:08:31.420 i well i'm trying to get serious again i mostly have the daily dozen covered in my damn morning 0.67
00:08:38.080 bowl wow it's incredible because to get cruciferous which includes cauliflower oh and look i like 0.97
00:08:46.920 cauliflower even normal okay but you're going every damn day like a side of cauliflower let's
00:08:51.740 just say you're finding that a bore dude the frozen rice yeah yeah i drop it into my oatmeal
00:08:58.400 along with my oatmeal it stirs in taste it don't even taste it not that i would mind if i did
00:09:04.560 will you please drop because i want the recipe i know the hags want it yeah well i think there
00:09:10.240 was a partial one that went out in the newsletter but it was missing a few things because i sort of
00:09:15.000 just said it while i was doing it yeah we'll drop we'll drop it in the newsletter it's um
00:09:19.920 trying to think what else i've been adding oh hemp hearts are back in the mix wow those kind
00:09:24.780 to have a flavor that i don't love well again when they're i like it i'll also sprinkle it on a salad
00:09:30.240 they're in the mix what else there's something oh you know what i've been doing pumfu is
00:09:34.820 interesting so so pumfu is like tofu but it made of pumpkin seeds instead of um oh i've never heard
00:09:43.840 of that interesting turns out you can make tofu you know you can make fu out of anything or out
00:09:49.680 of a lot of things okay yeah so this is pumfu it's got its own kind of quality to it kind of
00:09:56.380 crumbly and then I've been doing a lot more work with with tofu as I said Wendy the food scientist
00:10:02.680 two digital downloads I paid for as I said oiling the firm tofu creating a particular texture because
00:10:10.260 it doesn't just create the texture of say softer you know it's like it's its own thing so I'm
00:10:19.680 You know, and by working on that, I mean once in two weeks, thinking about it for five seconds.
00:10:24.480 Yeah, of course.
00:10:25.480 Because I just, I have these, I have these curiosities. 0.99
00:10:28.040 It's like, I was thinking like, do the listeners of POOG, like, do they think the shit we talk about? 0.99
00:10:34.240 I'm like, do they think it's filling our days? 0.99
00:10:37.340 Do you know what I'm saying?
00:10:38.440 Because it's almost like, I'm like, I feel like I'm POOG. 0.99
00:10:41.800 It's like, oh, I want to talk about all this like bullshit, right? 0.98
00:10:44.840 Like, that's fun. 0.99
00:10:46.060 You know what I mean?
00:10:46.620 Like to talk about, but I'm almost like, when I'm like, so what's new?
00:10:49.540 yeah I'm working on tofu it's like that's three seconds like they know they don't think that
00:10:54.120 you're drawing the blinds and right doing incantations over tofu I mean what do I know
00:10:59.260 but I think yeah just like you know like any of that this stuff I mean even the skincare it's like
00:11:04.740 I mean they know it's like I haven't I haven't put anything on my skin in weeks except for SPF
00:11:10.280 actually and azelaic acid from the derm my skin well first of all i thought i had bizarre like
00:11:21.720 i wonder if i can lift up my shirt and show you you can't even see them right now dot dot i thought
00:11:26.580 i had two zits and maybe there was zits in a direct line like straight line like boom boom 0.98
00:11:31.380 and then center of your sternum i go wait they're fucking spider bites so i thought because because 0.96
00:11:38.720 they were so in such a straight line and no surrounding like my chest was like perfectly 0.97
00:11:44.360 clear and then just dot dot i mean but between any two points is a straight line kate god you're good
00:11:51.080 no but it was no i i realized this was like the center this was god you're right but then you're
00:11:59.060 then you're suggesting that like a spider like likes to go down the midline which is totally
00:12:03.800 arbitrary as well yeah and then eats you out oh sorry a happy trail mood so um um but but anyway
00:12:12.220 the chest knee was or whatever it was was bugging me out and then i'll say this my amazing facialist
00:12:17.120 she said to me because i one of them i sorry cover your ears popped and then i went no no no
00:12:22.720 why did i do it she goes never touch your chest she's like that scar is the easiest i'm serious
00:12:29.500 Yeah. She's like, if something, if a blemish on the chest, hands off. She's like, put scar patch over it if you go out in the sun. Like, she's like, that's the area that takes the longest to heal. Whatever. I've been using, I'm almost at the bottom of my Chanel serum that I was gifted, that I mentioned that retails $1,000.
00:12:48.620 Is that the one that smelled, though?
00:12:48.820 Yeah, it has kind of a vanilla smell.
00:12:50.880 Ugh, I hate that.
00:12:52.140 I know. Can you imagine paying a thousand? But guess what I ordered out of pocket and it's
00:12:56.400 coming. And by the way, we have Ross hair products, which are beautiful. Oh, really?
00:13:02.440 And like gorgeous glass hair milk. I've been eyeing for 10,000 years in the possession.
00:13:08.060 Also, guess what I paid out of pocket? And I'm looking at it right now. I ordered a Canopy
00:13:11.140 humidifier. Canopy was an early major supporter of POOG. They sent us, they basically had open
00:13:15.980 door policy. We were getting too many humidifiers from them. I was having a gift for them.
00:13:20.640 There was a point where...
00:13:22.480 They were just constantly arriving.
00:13:23.700 Yeah.
00:13:24.240 It's amazing.
00:13:25.800 And then I...
00:13:26.500 Well, Jacqueline, I reached out going,
00:13:27.740 can we get more?
00:13:28.720 No response, which is totally fair.
00:13:30.240 Yeah. 1.00
00:13:30.860 So I said, fuck it. 1.00
00:13:31.820 So I ordered a canopy humidifier. 1.00
00:13:33.460 I have to install that.
00:13:34.660 I paid out of pocket for...
00:13:36.060 Install?
00:13:37.040 Or no, just buy.
00:13:38.360 Oh.
00:13:38.760 By install, I just mean like...
00:13:40.140 Plug in or whatever?
00:13:40.820 Plug in.
00:13:41.620 Yeah, okay.
00:13:42.060 I didn't know if this was a built-in unit.
00:13:44.020 It just takes regular water, right?
00:13:45.860 Yeah.
00:13:46.420 Okay, fabulous.
00:13:47.800 So...
00:13:48.240 I mean, I guess, like, unless, you know, you could look it up.
00:13:53.500 But, yeah, I mean.
00:13:54.780 Well, anyway, I'm going to look it up.
00:13:55.820 I purchased out-of-pocket Osmosis Rescue Face Serum.
00:14:01.320 This is a $150 USD.
00:14:04.520 Lightweight, restorative, designed to calm stress skin, support visible skin recovery, irritation, redness, blemishes.
00:14:10.640 We all remember the whole thing was no product, Cetaphil.
00:14:15.820 well no that's what i'm still so here's what i'm doing vana cream i'm still doing almost nothing
00:14:21.820 i'm doing vana cream cleanser i'm doing cerave or vana cream lightweight moisturizer if i want
00:14:28.620 something heavier i really do like the dew skin angel one whatever it's called instant angel
00:14:33.740 for something thicker and then i've been using just as a gag because it was gifted to me
00:14:39.200 the chanel serum at night and then i'm i'm sorry it's expensive it was also a gift 0.90
00:14:44.040 the expensive goddamn you're not gonna believe what i'm saying you better be sorry la mare under 0.88
00:14:49.220 eye it's like spackle and i'm sorry i do think it's good for under eye it's like really rich 0.99
00:14:55.500 but i'm sure it could be duped well you know they say they say it's nivea you know plus whatever
00:15:01.440 and i'm like okay then it's nivea i'm paying the early days right the early days
00:15:05.600 they blessed it yeah no they blessed it oh like nuns blessed it something someone you're kidding
00:15:13.900 Nuns with an interest. 1.00
00:15:15.180 I'm sort of picturing a shirtless man doing it.
00:15:17.440 Nuns with an interest. 1.00
00:15:19.100 Okay. 1.00
00:15:19.840 With an interest in skin.
00:15:20.860 Because, you know, I mean, the habit covers everything but the face. 1.00
00:15:24.860 That's the only little skin they can seduce each other with. 0.95
00:15:29.800 Yeah, at 50. 1.00
00:15:30.440 At 50, they show each other their tits. 1.00
00:15:33.280 Yeah, well, it's your classic. 1.00
00:15:35.260 The first sexual nuns, the first nuns that say, 0.99
00:15:38.980 we're having sex in here and we're not ashamed to say it. 1.00
00:15:42.020 well they are always fucking not always but obviously the convents are the walls are steaming 0.99
00:15:47.920 yeah the glass is and they're just screaming to god while you know i think they're letting 0.98
00:15:54.520 letting the christ light in yeah yeah well wait i had speaking of christ-like i returned to
00:16:01.020 olympic spa without wow which was shocking last time i went was with jacqueline that is where we
00:16:07.160 came up with poog in 2019 i went so now to go you have to schedule a body treatment you can't just
00:16:13.520 go and like spend the day there yeah i had my partner so you've never been scrubbed you'd never
00:16:18.900 been scrubbed i had been scrubbed once i did it once yeah wow so this was i got the full milk and
00:16:24.480 honey treatment yes which is it ain't cheap it's like 190 bucks but you guys i was scrubbed in a
00:16:32.080 way where I go you really leave and you go I was dirty and I scrub I have a loofah in the shower
00:16:38.300 I take baths near daily I scrub like I would say I'm committed to hygiene I the way she scrubbed
00:16:47.860 me and then you just realize it's also with that violent mitt right it's very violent yeah
00:16:52.560 in American culture you go like god we're just we're filthy like the skin there's no but what
00:16:58.560 it involved was the full body scrub and then she literally poured milk all over my body which i
00:17:05.260 thought when it said milk in the description i thought that just meant like like a bath milk
00:17:08.680 i didn't think it would literally be like dairy milk oh my god like kind of gross but i was into 1.00
00:17:13.760 it but then she pours literal honey all over my body honey and then massages yeah massages gave 0.96
00:17:20.460 me a full body massage she's scrubbing unbelievable over the honey no no first sorry first scrub so 1.00
00:17:26.340 she doesn't scrub no soap nothing just scrub scrub scrub hot water water scrub scrub hot water
00:17:31.600 then comes the milk then comes scrub with soap which feels so good like you're just scrubbed 1.00
00:17:37.140 yes she goes behind your ears she's going hell yeah neck well that's what you're hoping for
00:17:41.360 behind the ears oh behind the ears behind the neck everywhere and i'm sorry i asked something
00:17:46.520 to say she scrubbed my armpits in a way where i go yeah i'm like oh yeah and i have to say then
00:17:52.580 for like 24 hours my armpits smelled incredible like just it was really surreal and then washes
00:17:58.560 my hair oh my god and and and just want to really paint the picture for people is this in that
00:18:06.320 common area i mean back common area yeah so there's an area separate from the various you
00:18:12.220 know pools yes and in my memory partitions there's a partition and then over there is like a bunch of
00:18:18.800 like steel tables. Yeah. So they're not steel. That's like a massage table. You pop onto it.
00:18:25.380 But isn't it metal? Because they're cleaning you like water. They're cleaning you. So it's not
00:18:29.780 metal, but it's like, I don't know what it is. It's not, but it's not fat. It's not leather.
00:18:34.000 Like this isn't like, it's very clean. In order to do this kind of work, it has to be almost like
00:18:40.180 you're in a sink. Like that, that's kind of the feeling to me. Like, no, no, totally. It felt
00:18:43.920 Like the soap is rolling off the table.
00:18:46.140 Do they have a hose?
00:18:46.760 I forget.
00:18:47.580 Yeah, yeah.
00:18:48.040 They have buckets of water.
00:18:49.380 Yeah.
00:18:49.700 It feels very clean. 1.00
00:18:51.280 But the massager on my neck, as we all know, I had a traumatic experience with a haizu, 1.00
00:18:56.100 was really panicking about that. 1.00
00:18:58.520 So when she starts sitting on my neck, I start getting scared.
00:19:02.620 And I start going, she's going to dissect me.
00:19:04.680 I'm having full anxiety.
00:19:07.320 So I'm about to shoot my stand-up comedy special.
00:19:10.220 I'm having, oh, God, I'm going to die before the special. 0.98
00:19:13.920 you're gonna go you're gonna go vanity you know like no i know like preparation killed or whatever 0.91
00:19:19.280 yeah exactly and then and then you know what i thought i was on the table and i go well
00:19:23.240 you know i've been i've been filming all my sets so my loved ones will look through that footage
00:19:27.960 and i'll put something on youtube i think i think it would go gross it would be i think it would go
00:19:33.680 bigger than youtube especially in your death well yeah hey but anyway but so what's funny to me is
00:19:40.160 that I have the experience. And then after it's over, my first thought was, it's a miracle I
00:19:46.440 survived. Because there's like a roughness to how she was moving me around. And she said a couple
00:19:51.980 times, like, are you okay? And I was like, yep. But I have to say, I was a little bit like...
00:19:55.400 So a miracle you survived. The treatment they do all day, every day to hundreds.
00:20:00.920 Exactly. That's exactly what Naomi said. Like, oh yeah, like one person dies a day.
00:20:04.900 I signed the release, cremate them in the back. But that was actually how I felt. But then you emerge, you feel so clean. And I have to say something, the level of relaxation, which is like, you think, sure, you're going to be relaxed. No, no, no, no, no. You kind of can't anticipate it. And the rest of the day was just defined by this calm. And then I felt this really amplified because I had to print something out. My printer, of course, doesn't fucking work, right?
00:20:33.440 and ordinarily this would make me seize up my jaw i'd be like swearing i'd be like back there like 0.98
00:20:40.160 life is impossible how does anyone do this shit and instead i just kind of smiled you know what 0.71
00:20:45.320 i'll just get the venue to print it out right i was on my way to the show i go i'll just ask 0.98
00:20:49.600 someone in the office to print it out they have a working printer they're printing i've done that
00:20:52.860 and i go you delete this file you delete this file no i said the same thing i was like this
00:20:57.880 is like my diary like this is sacred yeah i know but then i just and so it almost makes me scared
00:21:02.980 but I just had to give it up to God. I know you have to do it. You have to. I've done it. I've
00:21:06.700 done it. Yeah. I've like had them print out 50 pages. As you know, here on the pod, we are
00:21:21.200 obsessed with our health and how to better understand our bodies. I've been paying a lot
00:21:27.200 more attention to well how my body recovers after a workout because recovery fuels the next workout
00:21:33.720 am i right what surprised me is that how much of how you feel during training it starts in the blood
00:21:41.180 with biomarkers that a lot of people don't even think about things like magnesium your iron
00:21:46.960 hormone levels markers that often affect how you feel in each workout and you know we all notice
00:21:52.600 shifts in our energy and our mood throughout the month. And I've been very curious about how
00:21:59.720 to better understand these shifts. And here's the thing. Hormonal health is often overlooked in
00:22:05.720 medicine. And these markers affect more than just your cycle. They can shape your energy,
00:22:10.400 your mood, strength, how you're feeling every day, estrogen, testosterone, fertility indicators,
00:22:16.000 there's proteins that control your hormones. All of this is part of a much bigger picture.
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00:23:35.060 i mean i i don't know that i've ever had as peak and experiences when i was in russia
00:23:44.120 in college and oh being slapped with the bamboo yeah the whole experience the banya experience
00:23:51.440 yeah the banya the birch the birch branches soak in the boiling water you put them in your
00:23:57.460 own bucket of boiling water and then you go and you do a yes no no the to soften them yeah or
00:24:03.760 Or, you know, you know, no, I think it is boiling or it comes out too hot to touch.
00:24:09.180 Yeah.
00:24:09.420 You drop it in there and then you go do a round, right?
00:24:11.980 You do a round of the dry sauna, the wet sauna, the cold plunge, back around, back around.
00:24:17.060 Come back for the birch branches now that they've been lightly softened.
00:24:20.840 Jacqueline, I told you. 0.85
00:24:21.160 Make them into the dry sauna and they start beating you. 1.00
00:24:23.280 Me and my friend Liz, as I've said before, we're beating each other. 1.00
00:24:26.560 The old women had to stop us and be like, don't beat each other's tits. 1.00
00:24:30.540 Oh, my God. 1.00
00:24:31.400 You're like, you don't need to do it there.
00:24:32.860 like we're just like trying to get everywhere yeah my entire skin had a marbled mottled quality
00:24:37.700 when i finally left okay wow brought on by the plunges after the stimulation where it literally
00:24:42.960 red and white marble under the surface of blood flow right not surface damage of any kind we
00:24:49.820 walked out of there we went we we had lunch and it was i it was it was a high jacqueline like no 1.00
00:24:55.880 other anyway yes the spa by the way it was like empty there were maybe there were under 10 women
00:25:02.920 there it's women only there were under 10 people there i'm not maybe there were 10 like it was
00:25:08.720 very quiet very and you remember the jade room like the jade area where people can sit
00:25:14.060 oh yeah i love the job floor yeah yeah there was no one there oh yeah remember i was like this is
00:25:19.420 my workplace like i remember every day with my i know i know and i would have the soup what's a
00:25:24.480 bummer is they no longer have the mugwort bath really yeah which i was kind of like i wonder why
00:25:29.880 i really wonder too like a post-covid i don't know but it was exquisite and then so because i'm doing
00:25:36.620 this like special prep wedding prep you know how it goes yeah tomorrow i'm going because i've wanted
00:25:42.040 to do this for a while to a japanese head spa called blow me away on third street i've been
00:25:48.680 wanting to try this out it feels ridiculous to do it i would love to go other thing meet me there
00:25:54.300 tomorrow i bet you get an appointment they go scalp treatment hair treatment they massage your
00:25:59.900 head lymph because by the way the blood flow at the scalp and we know this makes your face look
00:26:06.080 better right the neck oh we know this but they know this we know this i want you to just meet
00:26:12.620 me there tomorrow it's it's but um no i'm thinking about it i'm really thinking i'm gonna send you
00:26:18.620 because also it's literally i'm not kidding like seven minutes from your house like i'll be right
00:26:22.100 Oh, yeah.
00:26:22.820 I'm just going to text you the name, and then I'm going to quickly read you what I'm getting done, because everyone wants to know, too, I'm sure.
00:26:29.180 Sure do.
00:26:29.680 It sounds like heaven.
00:26:30.440 This ain't cheap, okay?
00:26:31.680 Because I'm lying here for listeners on my back with my eyes completely covered with my ice pack.
00:26:38.520 Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on.
00:26:40.240 Almost there, almost there, almost there.
00:26:41.900 And this woman is specifically going to Orisa.
00:26:45.020 I'm sure all the specialists there are fabulous, but this is who my friend goes to.
00:26:49.700 Okay, listen to this.
00:26:50.360 This is what I'm getting tomorrow.
00:26:51.120 the scalp and lymph detox treatment a holistic treatment designed to restore scalp health
00:26:57.680 hair vitality and inner balance adding massage for the neck shoulders and hands
00:27:02.980 help stimulate lymphatic flow and flush out toxins that may be trapped beneath the scalp
00:27:08.080 enhancing the detox effect and overall circulation a full body refresh through scalp hair and energy
00:27:13.040 flow where true beauty starts from within so i love that and by the way i instantly go i need
00:27:18.060 The classic thing of like, I'm going to get it and I'm going to detox and it's all going to come through my skin right before I shoot. It's not going to happen. Right. Yeah. Right, right, right, right, right. So I'm getting that. And then I'm going back to Jumi the day. I mean, you could ask. I mean, you could ask that if you go. This is one of these things where, you know, I can't purge. I can't purge this week. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's I think it's fair to ask. You're right. Otherwise, you're going to do the whole thing, Kate, where if you have blemish, you're going to go. You're going to do it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. And you always think, you know,
00:27:47.980 exactly why and how you got sick which is one of the great lies and it's so funny yeah yeah you
00:27:54.980 whittle the world down to your most recent diagnosis oh speaking of it's actually a huge
00:28:01.200 episode with me oh I really also at some point need to tell the people about my mole excision
00:28:05.900 so of course I'm having a manageable but last couple days some real anxiety OCD thoughts around
00:28:13.700 of course because of something as heightened as taping a stand-up special right my big fear is
00:28:17.760 like i won't survive to get there like i'm nervous about the actual taping of course and like
00:28:22.460 whatever yeah but it's like my big fear is right i'll be sick i'll get a cold right or my friend
00:28:28.120 getting food poisoning from goop i go imagine if i had eaten goop the day of and was barfing you
00:28:33.920 know like it's like all the things that can go wrong and of course the big one as we all know
00:28:38.600 getting sick right cold so i'm experimenting with you can actually knock out that's exactly what
00:28:45.420 cold that's what naomi said to me with like four specific ingredients that you take all at once
00:28:50.420 and you get the shot the doctor comes over gives you the b12 and then you're mariah carey singing
00:28:55.100 through a cold but it's even like yeah and it's even like there's a whole you know it's like
00:29:00.240 pseudofed plus blah blah blah plus yeah yeah exactly no no you can reanimate your corpse
00:29:05.980 yeah do what you have to do which is actually richards yeah which is really soothing in moments
00:29:11.480 like that, but I, so last night I had to go to a wedding. And just don't obsess and put your body
00:29:15.860 into the fear state. No, I feel okay today. That's why I'm doing relaxation. That's why the Korean
00:29:20.360 spa, the head spa, the facial, moving, staying calm, spa, taking baths, sleep, eight hours minimum.
00:29:28.740 Okay. But I have begun, and this is, people talk about this, but I'm trying it this week because
00:29:33.480 my partner, who's very susceptible to COVID and colds, was on tour. Everyone in their,
00:29:40.200 you know community close vicinity got sick except for them and guess what they were doing astapro
00:29:46.360 nose spray as i've never even heard of it so it's a non-habit for me it's basically yeah it's like
00:29:52.500 that's that stuff that you and me both got um that's the stuff i was telling you take that same
00:29:56.720 thing eustachian tube collapse thing is that the same thing so yeah i think so so the combo so what
00:30:02.100 you do and i'm only doing this because again i had a wedding last night i have a kind of crowded
00:30:07.280 event tomorrow so i'm like i'm just gonna spray this for a few days even though it's non-habit
00:30:11.460 forming and it's safe to use it's not like afrin or anything i'm trying this combo and then i have
00:30:16.860 covixil nasal spray which is supposed to be like it adds a protective layer to your nasal passage
00:30:23.900 the idea that's what tend was supposed to do or fend fend exactly oh my god fend where's fend
00:30:29.480 i don't know look it up we should we actually find out so so this is all available over the
00:30:35.720 counter, folks. So now I have Astapro and Covixil. And what I'm doing, I do one spray of the Astapro,
00:30:42.140 then you wait two minutes, and then you do the Covixil to lock it in your nasal passages. And
00:30:47.060 I'm experimenting with that. And by the way, let's just say it's placebo. Placebo works, folks.
00:30:51.940 So having this, this is my armor right now. My body and spirit.
00:30:57.860 yeah you know you also have to remember like i mean in most people the body really doesn't allow
00:31:06.160 it no no no that's what i thought i'll let you finish it doesn't allow itself to get sick when 0.69
00:31:11.300 it knows that it has shit to do i mean this is the classic the day after the sats okay i know 0.98
00:31:17.960 everyone gets sick so you just i mean this is what you do this is what you do with you know 0.98
00:31:22.900 this is classic for you but it's like your body holds up by the way just don't do anything over
00:31:27.540 the top no no no exactly no no i promise i won't even and this is goes back to again my partner
00:31:33.000 didn't get sick day just make sure like have you tried that thing before what like are you
00:31:38.880 launching a new protocol the week of like launching a new protocol a little like i know
00:31:45.380 it's not habit forming i know it's whatever but it's just like why are you suddenly like
00:31:48.440 i did the nasal spray last night i'm gonna do it tomorrow then i'm good you know i'm just doing it
00:31:53.000 as I go into these dense, crowded areas.
00:31:56.180 Well, that's, but that's the other thing.
00:31:57.700 That's the protective one.
00:31:58.980 The azelostane, I'm not really clear on.
00:32:01.020 The azelostane, I'm doing.
00:32:02.260 I mean, do as you please.
00:32:03.060 I'm just trying to watch.
00:32:03.500 No, no, I appreciate the concern.
00:32:05.200 Yeah.
00:32:05.580 And I'm telling you that I'm doing it.
00:32:07.440 I did it yesterday.
00:32:08.660 I'm having no other side effects.
00:32:10.140 Yeah, yeah.
00:32:11.220 Once I get to the taping, let it rip.
00:32:13.580 It's more just in the day's prior.
00:32:16.060 I really now am fixated on you joining me at the spa tomorrow.
00:32:19.040 It would just be so fun.
00:32:20.340 All right. 1.00
00:32:20.520 But don't bring your fixation into my energy field because...
00:32:24.320 It's fine.
00:32:24.780 By the way, it won't even be possible.
00:32:25.620 I already have the appointment booked.
00:32:28.400 I already have the appointment booked.
00:32:29.240 No, right.
00:32:29.740 I just mean I want to, but I can't think about it or I'll be thinking about how I have somewhere
00:32:33.900 to be for the next, you know, this is...
00:32:36.340 So do you want to know about my mole excision or not?
00:32:38.680 Yes.
00:32:39.520 Wait, didn't you show me?
00:32:40.680 I think so.
00:32:41.400 When it wasn't healing.
00:32:42.380 Oh, yeah, I did show you.
00:32:43.380 But I thought the listener would want to know.
00:32:45.120 Yeah, go.
00:32:45.640 so i do the unthinkable and schedule a skin check because i don't know when i did i did a
00:32:51.740 couple years ago i managed to do it again i get in there they do it and then i get home and i'm 0.94
00:32:57.340 like i forgot to like point out the fact that like that mole like it's fucking new man you know 0.62
00:33:03.760 what i mean like i don't remember this mole and so point as i go in and i go i don't remember this 0.80
00:33:07.540 one and she goes you know what why don't we schedule a biopsy for it you know if if someone
00:33:12.900 says i don't remember this mall whatever yeah you got to yeah and so we do so i come in for the
00:33:19.120 excision it's very like you know you know it's always interesting when they they do like you
00:33:25.880 can feel them giving you the speech that they do because people are crazy and people all sorts of
00:33:31.260 like reactions to things you know like like the amount of times i had explained like it'll be
00:33:35.880 local anesthetic you know what i mean like lidocaine and are you allergic to that and
00:33:41.040 like yeah like and it'll be very quick and it'll just be a pinch and all it's kind of like like
00:33:45.060 stuff and it's like you know it's like completely fine and nothing and whatever of course so anyway
00:33:50.240 go home that's like whatever they're like only put vaseline and a band-aid on it i'm like fine
00:33:57.720 i'm even kind of like sloppy with it i was like forgetting whatever anyway anyway point is it
00:34:02.680 comes back as like whatever in a regular you know mole or something and it's kind of like hard to
00:34:08.060 understand the thing and it kind of seems like they're saying you know it's it's a non-concern
00:34:12.440 then I dig deeper and it's like excision is recommended so then I'm like chasing them down
00:34:17.380 to be like it says in here it needs to be removed or whatever and then it did so it's just like okay
00:34:23.640 so if if I hadn't chased it down like you're the doctor wouldn't call me so then they go yeah you
00:34:29.640 know we're gonna remove it they're like you know it's I'm not worried about it oh oh this is the
00:34:34.580 thing where it's like, we're going to biopsy it or whatever. And it's like, the biopsy is the
00:34:37.700 removal. That was like, I think I told the listener about that point is I come in to now get it with
00:34:41.860 a shave excision. Okay. Which is like they're shaving off a layer of skin and a little circle
00:34:47.160 around it and to, to get rid of any, you know, cells or whatever. Right. Like that could be a
00:34:53.920 concern yeah you do it um you know send me home this then begins a week of band-aid hell okay
00:35:05.260 in which every single bandage I put on my skin acts like it's being a knife okay I had full
00:35:16.420 like like like it is it managed to slice this is on my hip so it's kind of like you're moving a lot
00:35:22.840 you know the edge of the band-aid where the bandage had been was literally like a like not
00:35:28.840 a full paper cut you know but like a full scratching a deep scratch with a little like 0.97
00:35:35.120 it was fucking raw and then we tried every goddamn bandage in CVS and then everything gave me a new 0.98
00:35:43.140 rash the shape of that new bandage we got like a loose like you know non-adhesive like 0.99
00:35:52.440 soaking like pad that then i taped on with paper tape two little strips of paper tape right
00:35:58.020 like barely hangs on it's like ridiculous little paper tape leaves a rash i go i've developed an
00:36:06.980 adhesive allergy yeah i can't believe it okay and then i'm going you know they said to me when i was 0.95
00:36:13.260 doing oh do you have you know allergy to latex or whatever the fuck and he said no you know because
00:36:18.340 no evidence of that ever having happened and it's like the thing is and then i'm reading about it 0.86
00:36:23.100 and they're like they're like you know they have other options if you don't like they can use like
00:36:27.420 these other bandages and it's like why don't they just use the other bandages yeah yeah yeah if they
00:36:33.200 have why not why are they just keeping out with the ones that like a certain amount of people
00:36:38.020 but anyway it's just interesting because i really love having i mean this was actually kind of
00:36:44.360 annoying and unpleasant, but there's a way in which I also enjoy having a minor wound. Okay.
00:36:51.640 You know, at least I can admit it. Right. Like I'm like, Chris, I'm like, I'm like, will you help me?
00:36:57.960 Okay. I'm like, I have to clean my wound. Okay. I'm like, I don't say it like that, but I'm like,
00:37:04.700 my wound. Okay. And I'm like, I've cleaned it. I have to lay on my side now and do the
00:37:09.800 Vaseline, will you place this new
00:37:11.860 bandage on? Then he
00:37:13.740 does it. It's that thing where someone puts a bandage on
00:37:15.720 and then pat, pat, pat down the sides or
00:37:17.520 their finger smoothing the part
00:37:19.920 of the bandage down, the adhesive.
00:37:23.320 It's
00:37:23.800 almost like the head spa or the scrubbing.
00:37:26.120 It's like there is something in us
00:37:28.040 that to have
00:37:29.100 the tending done
00:37:31.060 by other hands,
00:37:34.020 it does something
00:37:35.740 to us. It's real. Of course it is.
00:37:37.400 By the way, it takes me back to the Korean spa.
00:37:39.800 That's what I was just saying.
00:37:41.020 Yeah, no, no.
00:37:41.820 Yeah, yeah, the scrubbing.
00:37:42.660 Having someone tend to your body, that's what the calm came from.
00:37:46.900 It's like, I was just like embodied.
00:37:49.740 Laying in the hands.
00:37:49.940 And then I was reduced to flesh.
00:37:52.720 And someone else's, it's like, yeah.
00:37:55.800 No, no, no, to carry the responsibility of your body in that way.
00:37:58.860 It's really, so I was loving that.
00:38:00.700 I don't know.
00:38:01.660 By the way, I have to leave soon.
00:38:03.460 Love you. 1.00
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