Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Rainy Day Poog

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00:00:04.420 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:00:08.020 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:00:11.960 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

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00:01:34.840 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.300 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:37.400 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:42.120 Two untamable intellects.

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00:01:45.620 This is our naked desire for free products.

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00:01:49.320 Today's topic, loosely speaking.

00:01:51.380 Repose, All Hallows' Eve, resting in our own skin.

00:01:55.300 happy halloween happy hallows eve also i'll just say the listener doesn't know this but right

00:02:05.120 before we recorded i went hey babe and the last i want to say three weeks i can't stop saying babe

00:02:13.000 and it's not did you pick it up from someone yeah so around you yeah i was um working with

00:02:20.600 someone in a professional environment who, um, who I adore, who was saying babe. And I didn't

00:02:26.560 even realize that was it, but she says babe a lot. And it just really got in. Got in is exactly.

00:02:32.560 It got in. The expression. Maybe twice I said it consciously and then instantly it was absorbed

00:02:37.860 into my body. And now. So you were like, I'm going to try that. Not, no. Like, like I was

00:02:42.840 like, babe. And I was like, I know that I'm kind of replicating her or it's like, it was like

00:02:47.860 Internally, I knew what I was doing, but then it completely fused to me.

00:02:52.660 And now it's an involuntary neurological response to say, babe.

00:02:58.600 And because I like calling people, like I remember...

00:03:02.380 Doll.

00:03:03.240 I like saying doll.

00:03:04.420 I've been calling people doll for years.

00:03:06.100 Exactly.

00:03:06.960 And I remember there was an older woman I knew.

00:03:11.640 When I say older, I mean like she was in her 50s.

00:03:13.980 And she would call everyone...

00:03:14.960 Like a grown woman, so to speak. 0.66

00:03:15.720 Yeah, like a grown woman.

00:03:16.400 And I would really enjoy the way she would call everyone like honey or, you know, like, and I thought, yeah, it's nice.

00:03:23.100 And so I've been saying doll, but now it's babe and I can't get out.

00:03:27.560 I can't get out of babe.

00:03:29.000 We need to talk about this.

00:03:30.160 First of all, babe is totally suitable.

00:03:32.520 I know, but I don't.

00:03:34.600 It's just when you feel that something has gotten in.

00:03:37.500 It just isn't in my, it's not my language. 0.96

00:03:39.500 I had a goddamn sorry slip out in favor of sorry 0.97

00:03:44.580 after hanging out with a Canadian for a while, okay? 0.99

00:03:47.660 And that was a shock.

00:03:49.480 It flew out of my mouth.

00:03:51.340 That's deranged because there's not even a part of me,

00:03:54.400 like that's not even an expression that some part of my brain was like,

00:03:57.360 I like that.

00:03:58.840 You know, like accent creeping in is pretty stunning.

00:04:02.800 Yeah, it is.

00:04:03.600 And then what's gotten in?

00:04:05.100 Doll, babe.

00:04:06.140 Well, I've never felt as a young gal, because I felt like there was a moment around eighth grade where some of the girls started, okay, with the kind of that language, okay, the kind of honey or sweetie to each other.

00:04:22.680 Eighth grade, wow, that's young.

00:04:24.140 I never had that at that age.

00:04:26.040 And to me, it was shocking.

00:04:27.780 And I actually feel like it was one of these things that came from camp, okay, literally like it came from their summer camps.

00:04:33.480 Oh, yeah.

00:04:34.140 Like everything does.

00:04:35.360 Yeah, like many like advancements, you know, they return from the summer.

00:04:39.220 Camp, of course, is one of my root traumas, but continue. 0.98

00:04:42.080 Well, right, because you went to Christian camp, right? 0.99

00:04:44.440 My lowercase t's traumas, which are still traumas. 0.92

00:04:49.580 Actually, no, this was a Jewish camp was where I was traumatized. 0.75

00:04:52.220 Oh, I was thinking about, but you also went to some kind of Christian camp.

00:04:55.240 Yeah, because I had a rabid search for God at a young age.

00:04:59.140 Demanded to go to a Unitarian temple, learn the rosary, all of it.

00:05:03.460 Well, the rosary was huge for you.

00:05:04.940 always speaking god yeah my sister started saying it i feel like in high school or something

00:05:10.240 like sweetie like i'd hear on the phone oh wow okay like sweetie whatever and then to me i think

00:05:16.000 and i was like will that take for me will that suddenly just emerge for me and it didn't yeah

00:05:21.020 and it hasn't and it still hasn't and this this is a thematic issue the question of the pathway

00:05:27.260 to womanhood okay i was writing about this last night if i dare say so there is no path okay i

00:05:34.040 felt that there was no path and i'm still wondering to womanhood yes to womanhood from girlhood i feel

00:05:41.040 like it was beaten in early from tv and film that growing up meant becoming rigid and consumed with

00:05:50.100 the wrong concerns and you're you're you're at work and you're not going to your son's play you 0.98

00:05:55.860 know what i mean or daughters honestly let's get real has it ever been a goddamn boy that they show 0.94

00:06:01.020 off singing truly never anyway i don't know pat the woman it's not really capturing your interest

00:06:06.160 today but sorry sorry i i'm no i don't mind at all i just thought it'd be like i was thinking i

00:06:12.120 should just call out when i know that something's like like i should just call it be like what's

00:06:15.780 wrong no but honestly i'm admitting that i was distracted because i was worried about a sound

00:06:20.900 issue so honestly i think it's all of this is cut you have to go back and say the womanhood thing

00:06:25.540 again because i wasn't focused i was worried about the sound sure i mean or it could be kept

00:06:29.540 because it's kind of interesting.

00:06:30.580 All right.

00:06:31.040 I like have this belief that everything's interesting,

00:06:33.760 which you got to admit.

00:06:35.460 I do have that belief generally.

00:06:37.780 It's a general life philosophy, but.

00:06:40.140 Oh, of course.

00:06:41.240 But I mean, like, I think mine pushes to a point

00:06:43.720 where it's usually like the question of others going like,

00:06:46.980 but not this, let's get real.

00:06:49.220 And I'm like, I don't know.

00:06:50.540 I push through as you yawn.

00:06:52.280 It's hysterical.

00:06:53.260 Not that yawning,

00:06:54.040 I don't think it's right to respond to people's yawns.

00:06:56.660 What?

00:06:57.340 What do you mean?

00:06:58.120 Not the yawning.

00:06:59.080 What did you say about adopt and located?

00:07:01.300 I didn't say that.

00:07:02.220 What?

00:07:02.760 Did your audio go weird?

00:07:04.300 What's happening?

00:07:05.400 Because I've heard you say a couple of things today.

00:07:07.100 It's kind of Halloween episode.

00:07:09.260 Could it be a good Halloween episode?

00:07:10.440 There's a Halloween happening.

00:07:12.460 You think I'm saying things that I'm not saying. 0.99

00:07:15.080 Can you imagine who we're recording Poog? 0.64

00:07:17.320 I mean, it's a wonderful idea.

00:07:18.920 And some like other, we just started channeling

00:07:21.040 and other audio came through.

00:07:23.880 My grandmother.

00:07:24.940 That's the real, that was the mystical experience

00:07:27.260 of the telephone, right?

00:07:28.060 It was like the wires getting crossed or like early cell phone,

00:07:31.480 like cellular, the cellular voids where you would, you know,

00:07:34.220 or like cross talk like that.

00:07:36.200 That did happen to me a couple of times where you would hear a little

00:07:41.340 fragment of another conversation and it feels incredible.

00:07:44.820 Oh my God.

00:07:45.160 Well, that's like when other people's family photos,

00:07:47.200 I know this made you laugh.

00:07:49.380 Other people's family photos appearing in my Apple cloud.

00:07:54.460 I mean, the cloud cannot be tested.

00:07:56.660 Let's get real.

00:07:57.220 The cloud is a problem.

00:07:57.920 Photos of my inner labia being like blasted across the world.

00:08:01.600 Mine are just like, I'm trying to think,

00:08:03.180 because like I don't really have that many photos like that.

00:08:05.580 I just, I don't know.

00:08:07.040 Not a lot of news.

00:08:07.340 Even for like I'm not like a big send it to the doctor.

00:08:10.340 Yeah.

00:08:10.640 God, I want one of those relationships.

00:08:12.560 I love sending my doctor photos of the inside of my body.

00:08:16.920 Well, well, God, there's so much to talk about today. 0.98

00:08:20.300 I've re-upped on my goddamn keto breathable device to check my ketone. 0.94

00:08:25.900 I'm in a full data-driven, oh, Apple Watch, okay? 0.99

00:08:31.120 Apple Watch heart rate all day.

00:08:32.900 I am in a data-driven experience with my body right now.

00:08:36.980 Wow.

00:08:37.940 Whereas I'm not, yeah.

00:08:39.220 Yeah, I mean, I'm sweating at night.

00:08:40.860 I'm doing, I'm like using all of our devices.

00:08:43.320 That's what's pretty crazy.

00:08:44.300 That's really good.

00:08:45.020 I have to get back.

00:08:46.220 When I get back to LA, I can't wait to get back in my sauna blanket.

00:08:50.560 Although, you know, I was traumatized because I love doing it so much,

00:08:53.040 but then I did find I was breaking out.

00:08:54.740 but I think I'm convinced now

00:08:56.800 because I didn't do a cleanse.

00:08:58.040 You got to cleanse before you get in.

00:09:00.360 Right.

00:09:01.060 And then, well, there's conflicting opinions

00:09:03.460 about the sweat after.

00:09:05.880 Sebum?

00:09:06.520 Sebum?

00:09:07.220 Sebum is like the clear,

00:09:09.000 like there's nothing worse

00:09:10.240 when you're trying to pop a zit

00:09:11.440 and there's the clear juice.

00:09:12.880 You wouldn't know because you, yeah.

00:09:15.220 No, it's terrible to say.

00:09:16.880 Sebum to me is what the, 0.66

00:09:18.980 if you're trying to clear out your pores

00:09:21.000 and you're pressing with your fingertips,

00:09:23.520 or just the clear nails.

00:09:24.740 It's clear. 1.00

00:09:27.520 It's the magic of the blackhead. 1.00

00:09:29.680 So disgusting. 1.00

00:09:30.720 But the magic of the blackhead appears dark. 1.00

00:09:33.620 Press on it. 0.96

00:09:34.920 What comes out is not dark.

00:09:37.160 It's sebum that's like practically clear, waxy substance.

00:09:40.480 Oh, God.

00:09:41.340 I can't wait to get a face when I get back.

00:09:42.720 I'm going, I want clear and brilliant laser. 0.72

00:09:44.660 I want to get my face lasered off.

00:09:46.320 You've been mentioning, you've been dropping clear and brilliant for a couple weeks,

00:09:50.460 maybe even more at this point.

00:09:51.880 It's a few conversations.

00:09:53.260 Tell me everything. 1.00

00:09:53.920 Mabel, get in here.

00:09:55.020 Tell me everything, okay?

00:09:56.280 Because obviously the fact that you've landed on a brand,

00:09:58.480 the fact that you've landed on a product.

00:09:59.620 Yeah, there's almost nothing to say.

00:10:00.640 It's just my dermatologist said it to me

00:10:02.260 and then I heard a few other people say it

00:10:03.800 where it's like you do it.

00:10:05.200 There's almost no recovery time.

00:10:06.900 Apparently your skin looks normal

00:10:08.020 but feels like sandpaper, which I'm used to.

00:10:10.660 Yeah, but it doesn't,

00:10:11.520 you're not flaking off in a horrific way.

00:10:13.380 It's been referred to as baby Fraxel.

00:10:15.300 Fraxel is like very intense, right?

00:10:16.840 And then you come out.

00:10:17.660 God, they love saying baby whatever

00:10:19.560 to make people feel comfortable with it.

00:10:21.320 Baby Botox, baby whatever.

00:10:23.080 So Fraxel, but it is some kind of laser situation and promises.

00:10:26.780 It is a laser.

00:10:27.820 There are big promises and I want to do it.

00:10:29.620 I got a script for, you know, tretinoin.

00:10:32.700 Wait, what is that?

00:10:33.820 I feel like I did that at one point.

00:10:35.340 It's a retinoid.

00:10:36.620 I freeze up around retinoids and retinols.

00:10:38.860 I need to be taught because I just...

00:10:40.740 You're afraid?

00:10:41.680 No, no, no.

00:10:42.420 I've heard, you know, it's a secret to everything.

00:10:44.500 Right.

00:10:44.900 But I am afraid.

00:10:45.400 Oh, you freeze up.

00:10:47.140 You freeze in awe.

00:10:48.560 So I freeze in awe.

00:10:50.020 So are you doing retinol?

00:10:51.620 Well, here's the thing.

00:10:52.560 And I always, retinol is what's in the,

00:10:56.640 which is non-prescription levels, I guess,

00:10:58.880 of vitamin A or whatever.

00:11:00.140 It's a version of it.

00:11:01.700 I want to make sure I've got this right.

00:11:03.000 And then retinoid, if I have it wrong, I'm going to be pissed.

00:11:06.360 But I think retinoid is the, whatever, it's one or the other,

00:11:10.020 but one is the prescription and one isn't, okay?

00:11:13.120 And so we're in Sephora thinking we're buying

00:11:15.640 sort of retin-type products, and we sort of are,

00:11:18.600 but they're not up to the levels.

00:11:20.420 It's like you've got to get it shipped in from Mexico.

00:11:22.560 or whatever like another friend of ours to get the high percentages now right i when i was in at

00:11:28.660 the derm after six years if not he was like yeah it's good for everything whatever like here's a

00:11:33.560 script and then of course like i get the script and i'm like i start googling and it's not the

00:11:38.320 highest percentage and i'm already just like i'm already disenchanted i'm already like you know if

00:11:43.540 it doesn't burn if it doesn't flake it's doing nothing mentality and i have to let go of that

00:11:47.500 it's not true we don't need to harm ourselves to heal i mean it's yeah it's not always that

00:11:54.100 but then i started googling around and people were like you know when you google

00:11:57.240 what you know when you google and i'm just laughing at my own like the humiliation you

00:12:05.260 know when you google something actually i have a huge notion i meant to tell you this week

00:12:10.680 related i was gonna say you google the retinoid or retinol whatever or no tretinoin there's a

00:12:15.760 Reddit for it. I'm on the Reddit. And they're like, Retin-A or Tretinoin. They made my pores

00:12:21.680 bigger. And they started and they're like, yeah, some people this happens to. And I'm like, oh no.

00:12:27.900 Terrifying. Terrifying. Here's what I want to say. I drank alcohol last night. I was sure I

00:12:33.020 would have a hangover. Woke up completely fine. And I'm thinking, is it the age old truth? Aside

00:12:39.320 from of course drinking the water with the alcohol and of course i drank a huge can of 0.98

00:12:45.560 coconut water with pulp right before bed oh woke up fresh as a goddamn daisy wow okay i think also 0.86

00:12:52.300 the key is drinking over the course of so many hours that like like a drink and like a drink an 0.88

00:12:58.160 hour if you do that like you'll like at the end of the three hours like like that's what you have

00:13:02.900 to do i think to not like to be safe for driving so to speak well because i i drank two martinis

00:13:09.120 at dinner which ordinarily would really make me drunk but there were also like the baby martinis

00:13:14.420 like it's like that little cute glass you know it's not like i know that one it's not like a

00:13:18.900 midwestern forgive me no no i know it's very like like the humongous appletini in a hotel bar yes

00:13:28.720 exactly i potentially had one of the most delicious martinis in my life last night was a bay leaf

00:13:32.420 martini what i mean never even heard of it i dropped to my knees to be back in new york city

00:13:37.440 I mean, it's true, the worst food in New York City

00:13:40.420 is better than the best food like anywhere else.

00:13:43.180 It was nice of you not to say Pittsburgh

00:13:44.740 because we all know you just came from Pittsburgh.

00:13:46.600 I know.

00:13:47.300 Pittsburgh, and I had some good meals there.

00:13:49.720 But nothing is, I mean, just to get back

00:13:54.260 and to have those flavors.

00:13:55.340 Are you going to say the restaurant?

00:13:56.980 I actually should absolutely shout it out.

00:13:58.700 It's a French.

00:13:59.440 It was French, though.

00:14:00.160 I don't speak a word of French.

00:14:01.460 Never have, never will.

00:14:04.720 Chez ma tente.

00:14:06.600 Chez ma tente.

00:14:07.440 Well done.

00:14:08.300 In Brooklyn.

00:14:09.500 Wow.

00:14:10.280 And I just have to say,

00:14:11.200 it was just really solid.

00:14:14.020 Dining in Brooklyn is a really specific experience

00:14:16.300 because, I mean, I don't know.

00:14:20.200 I just, it's just different.

00:14:21.740 I'm just very aware of being in Brooklyn versus Manhattan.

00:14:24.420 Yeah.

00:14:24.660 Like it's a different country to me.

00:14:26.280 I can't wait to go into the city this week.

00:14:28.200 I'm going to see some theater.

00:14:29.780 I want a steak free.

00:14:31.020 I want yet another martini.

00:14:32.940 Someone tried the Kalamata martini.

00:14:34.940 I was very moved.

00:14:35.500 Oh, I saw that.

00:14:36.080 I saw that.

00:14:36.320 Rex have been coming in that have been actually very helpful.

00:14:39.100 Someone sent in, like, you need to tongue scrape.

00:14:41.820 Oh, my God, the tongue scraping.

00:14:42.900 I've been thinking about that.

00:14:43.580 Someone was like, and I have tongue scraped in the past.

00:14:47.380 And it does feel great.

00:14:49.280 And it is the best, the quickest way to fresh breath.

00:14:52.400 Yeah, it was something like where it made it feel like for the oral hygiene,

00:14:56.420 like it's not even just about breath, you know what I mean?

00:14:58.620 No, it's about like, whenever the word toxins is used,

00:15:02.400 it's always a little bit like, hmm, because it's one of the most overused things.

00:15:06.320 like a buzzword yeah but like eliminating toxins but if anything it's just gross so scrape it off

00:15:13.620 wait i just want to see what i was gonna say about google before go okay oh yeah i'm sorry

00:15:18.720 earlier i was like you know i need google okay and we have to break but have you noticed this

00:15:24.980 now i'm like you probably haven't because i feel like you don't this isn't the way you google so

00:15:28.640 to speak but you google like how do i da da da da or whatever okay the questions that they show the

00:15:35.540 sample questions under of the things people asked okay relatedly not the thing that pops up but

00:15:40.260 they google show you like six related questions almost like were you trying to google this were

00:15:44.180 you trying to google this right and they always have this thing in there so it'll be like you

00:15:50.160 know how can i get on the keto diet fast okay they're like how can i did it a fast okay and

00:15:55.800 it's like where the hell is quickly okay where the hell is quickly it's i'm gonna all right this has

00:16:02.040 to go because it's too hard to explain i'll just have to post i'll just have to post about it

00:16:05.780 but it's it's like who are these cheese balls saying where can i get alone fast are you thinking

00:16:12.820 they're dumbing it down for the internet do you know that's a huge question idea that you you

00:16:18.060 can't say quickly you just have to go now now even makes sense to me yeah but fast like yeah as a

00:16:25.640 It's, like, so colloquial.

00:16:27.740 All right, let's go to break.

00:16:29.460 We've opened up a lot of boxes,

00:16:31.720 which we'll have to, you know, tie and reincorporate throughout.

00:16:34.860 There's a lot to say. 0.73

00:16:35.440 Kate has pulled a fortune cookie in a pinch.

00:16:36.800 Sorry, I just didn't know what that was.

00:16:38.360 Yeah, okay.

00:16:39.240 Oh, I want to talk about fajitas and Chinese food I've eaten all week.

00:16:41.640 It's been heaven.

00:16:42.220 All right.

00:16:45.440 This is Ryder Strong,

00:16:46.600 and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:16:49.620 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:16:54.380 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:16:58.500 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:16:59.820 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:17:03.460 No, I am not your guru.

00:17:07.240 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:17:09.860 I lied to police.

00:17:11.140 I lied to everybody.

00:17:12.120 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:17:14.900 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:17:17.780 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:17:20.600 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:17:23.940 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:17:28.540 They have had this case for 30 years. 1.00

00:17:31.460 I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00

00:17:34.480 Boom, boom. 1.00

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00:18:14.620 and we're back i just want to say that i was bragging about how i'm not hung over but i am

00:18:26.240 actually experiencing some low energy that the the listener and surely you my dear friend and

00:18:31.180 collaborator can feel i had a great breakfast sandwich but yeah i probably need to drink more

00:18:35.880 water i have another coconut water i could pound i've been doing post workout post tracy very

00:18:43.120 interesting experience you know every week she drops new content you learn the routine whatever

00:18:46.760 and then I was looking I do the whole thing and it feels very private and then like I see a repost

00:18:51.460 of Kate Hudson doing the very same routine like like oh look there's Kate Hudson in her home

00:18:56.680 doing what I do dojo I can't wait to do a workout with you when I get back well I was I was wondering

00:19:03.360 what that would look like because first of all you need a lot of space second of all is that we go

00:19:09.000 into the studio and do a drop in. Yeah. Oh, and I'm sorry. You won't say it because you're too

00:19:13.740 modest, but I'll tell the listeners Tracy Anderson did follow you on Instagram. I can't believe you

00:19:17.940 didn't tell me. Oh my God. It wouldn't even occur to me to say. Melissa would. Yeah. I don't know

00:19:24.900 how I pulled that off. Must've been an assistant over there taking over her account. I don't know. 1.00

00:19:32.200 It's like you're calling out the fan level I'm experiencing with her

00:19:39.880 and wanting her merch and stuff.

00:19:42.100 And it's not even merch.

00:19:42.900 It's high-end items, to be clear.

00:19:45.800 I want it all.

00:19:46.700 I want the sneakers, and they're sold out.

00:19:49.320 I want the Rebel Ballerina set sold out.

00:19:53.860 Wait, wait, wait.

00:19:54.560 Take me back to you were saying Chinese food.

00:19:56.980 Oh, yeah.

00:19:57.520 So this week, as you know, I was just thinking about it,

00:19:59.380 how i i get something i like and then i do it basically every night for seven nights yeah min

00:20:04.340 and um i admire that in you it's just it's but it's such a there's there's a baby self-comfort

00:20:10.800 thing in it like i liked it last night i need it again you know like yeah but i accept it so so

00:20:16.260 i've been on a kick of um mushu and mushu of some kind i love that but you're not using the wrap to

00:20:24.680 be clear you didn't know sugar sauce oh my so what oh jacqueline so it's cabbage it's chicken

00:20:30.900 and it's the essential seasonings of that no no buddha's delight okay i have to google buddha's

00:20:36.720 delight i mean not google i have to put that into the thing to get it what's you can't always tell

00:20:40.200 that's steamed mixed vegetables remember suen yeah suen though that was a macrobiotic change

00:20:48.120 my life. A restaurant in which, dare I say,

00:20:51.440 everyone looked

00:20:52.280 like they were dying.

00:20:54.840 It's a health food restaurant

00:20:56.440 full of sallow

00:20:58.440 and wasting away

00:21:00.160 patrons. I'm still devastated

00:21:02.520 and close, though. Is there still

00:21:04.380 the one in the East Village? I hope so. The gorgeous

00:21:06.380 huge one is gone. Yeah, the best one

00:21:08.460 is where we cackled and screamed together

00:21:10.640 and some of our early...

00:21:13.260 That's an origin story for us.

00:21:15.080 The tahini dressing, I can taste it.

00:21:18.120 And then the hijiki seaweed, seeing you dig in.

00:21:20.900 I can see you digging in moaning. 0.97

00:21:22.780 Okay, that's incredible because I'm really proud of the ferocity with which I eat.

00:21:28.620 You know, that's something that I picked up from you that I love

00:21:30.600 is that you would always, the food arrives and you go, mmm.

00:21:34.180 Oh my God.

00:21:34.780 And you go, ooh.

00:21:36.020 Oh yeah, that always made you laugh.

00:21:38.200 Yeah, when they set it on the table and I can't even help myself.

00:21:40.720 I only learned I do it because you would laugh.

00:21:43.100 Because I sit in and I go, mmm.

00:21:45.360 It's completely involuntary.

00:21:47.140 it's really very cute to me god dinner let's just think let's talk about how great it is to eat

00:21:53.080 let's talk about jock and though we haven't had dinner together in many months the last time we

00:21:56.820 went together was moza right yeah moza and we only took a couple picks we didn't get enough

00:22:04.900 picks we're gonna go to the new moza we're both satisfied with the pick yeah we're gonna go to

00:22:09.580 the new moza inside inside the roosevelt hotel yes although i think it's like a completely

00:22:14.300 different menu concept. I think it may be called

00:22:16.280 the bearish, but I don't know. I might make that up.

00:22:18.120 Yeah, yeah. It's just the same chef, of course.

00:22:20.500 Which, yeah, we need. I mean, to follow

00:22:22.300 chefs around town is a new

00:22:24.320 level of life. Oh my God, to physically haunt them.

00:22:26.020 And I'll just say, my dermatologist, I think

00:22:28.300 I told you this, elevator doors open,

00:22:30.440 guess who gets on as I'm getting

00:22:32.200 off? Nancy Silverton. 1.00

00:22:34.380 Yeah. Whoa.

00:22:36.480 That was incredible.

00:22:38.220 Your cat just... I want to tell the people.

00:22:40.360 Did I tell the people that I ended up getting

00:22:42.020 to Helmer? I went IKEA

00:22:44.100 baby i went ikea delivery and got metal metal okay they're metal what they're safe two filing

00:22:50.280 cabinets oh okay that was huge a lot of people spoken up in the comments about all right let's

00:22:55.580 keep it on the content novak all right jesus all right this isn't an this isn't a social media

00:23:00.180 interaction show okay pull it back i want to talk about i'm on athletic greens now jacqueline so

00:23:06.020 hang on so you mean to tell me athletic greens sent athletic greens what do they think that's

00:23:10.120 because this god is sounds like the most ideal ad but i actually do think it's because they want

00:23:14.740 to advertise on poog and so they sent i would weep okay and so i was like kate's on it now what was

00:23:21.300 in the box i knew you'd want to know this the bag the decanting canister baby oh the spoon

00:23:28.200 and of course the jug and yes i've been using the jug even though it's plastic i mean it's a quick

00:23:32.540 swish around in there yeah and is that i assume because they changed the branding and let me say

00:23:37.520 the new brand is great.

00:23:39.020 AG1.

00:23:39.540 And it's great.

00:23:40.140 And the bottle's better.

00:23:41.360 I wonder why.

00:23:42.720 I wonder if Athletic Greens

00:23:43.740 was sort of taken in some capacity

00:23:45.440 like they couldn't TM it

00:23:47.360 to the level they wanted to

00:23:48.780 to go global.

00:23:49.360 I doubt it.

00:23:49.580 I think it's just AG,

00:23:51.200 the new packaging just is sleeker.

00:23:53.720 It just is better.

00:23:55.460 Well, I'm overwhelmed with insecurity

00:23:57.660 at how boring and flat I am today.

00:23:59.640 No, I think it's like

00:24:01.540 I'm embarrassed. 0.51

00:24:04.040 I feel like I'm not turning out

00:24:05.520 a good product.

00:24:06.580 Why am I so, and here I am bragging about how I'm not hungover.

00:24:09.400 Listen to me.

00:24:10.480 I am.

00:24:12.680 I'm sleepy and I can tell.

00:24:14.740 Are you drinking?

00:24:15.260 Do you have any coffee?

00:24:15.960 Have you had any yet this morning?

00:24:17.420 Yeah, of course.

00:24:18.540 I've had a cup and a half.

00:24:21.580 Yeah.

00:24:22.260 I don't know.

00:24:23.320 I mean.

00:24:24.240 I need water and a shower.

00:24:25.720 I really, showers for me, it's really hard to get.

00:24:28.620 It's 3 p.m. where I am and to have gotten to 3 p.m. without a shower,

00:24:32.220 it just doesn't work for me.

00:24:34.660 Well, I've become big on night showers.

00:24:36.580 And I mean, I go through these periods where it's the night shower versus the morning shower.

00:24:42.340 I've been struggling to get in the shower after the workout.

00:24:45.080 I just want to sit there and not move.

00:24:47.480 And it's like a specific pleasure to experience the sweat drying,

00:24:50.720 which could be interesting for my skin.

00:24:52.240 It's one of the absolute impossibilities of exercise.

00:24:54.600 As you know, that's why I typically exercise naked because I can't handle the laundry,

00:24:59.880 the dealing with the clothes, and then you have to shower.

00:25:02.000 I have people that exercise.

00:25:03.540 I'm like, you have to devote your entire life to it.

00:25:06.200 I've never found ease.

00:25:07.620 As soon as sweat falls, it's over.

00:25:09.320 Yeah, it's taking up a lot of my life now.

00:25:12.260 And it's okay because what else am I supposed to do?

00:25:16.100 No, it's great.

00:25:17.200 I mean, like in terms of like,

00:25:18.960 it's not a bad thing to take two hours on

00:25:21.160 if the rest of the day is creative work.

00:25:23.640 Absolutely, of course.

00:25:24.980 Wait, I want to talk a little bit about probiotics.

00:25:27.060 Okay, I know it's a hot topic around here.

00:25:29.340 Oh, and I want to talk about tongue posture.

00:25:31.220 I know I keep promising we will.

00:25:33.120 But here's my question.

00:25:34.540 So the influx of products, right?

00:25:37.140 We got the Pegan gut food, okay?

00:25:39.940 We've got the Microbiobrand that I got myself a while back that was not cheap.

00:25:45.460 We've got, I think there are probiotics in Athletic Greens.

00:25:48.700 There are.

00:25:49.660 And Pre, I believe.

00:25:50.820 Yeah, although like Pre is always kind of like they're like a banana is Pre, you know?

00:25:54.580 An unripened banana has prebiotics and an ripened banana has probiotics.

00:25:59.600 Right, right, right.

00:26:00.420 Because it's fermenting or whatever.

00:26:04.000 um the bacteria is proliferating um and i got this mito pure that i'm pretty sure i paid through

00:26:10.940 the nose for okay now it's like this layering because i'm doing a quick scan of the ingredients

00:26:16.280 and it's like okay now i'm getting so much blueberry powder do you know i'm saying that

00:26:21.240 i'm like is this a problem okay blueberry powder interesting or you know it's just one of the

00:26:27.260 things that's popping up in the pegan whatever like is my stacking of these things that i'm

00:26:31.560 throwing in the smoothie, am I doubling up to a point of waste? Right. On certain ingredients.

00:26:37.220 Possibly. That's what's scary. I mean, are there any that, remember like the old thing,

00:26:40.840 you can't have too much vitamin C, you just piss it out. So don't worry about it. Remember that?

00:26:44.540 I've heard that. No. That adage escaped me. I was going to say though, I think that low energy

00:26:52.480 like is kind of cozy sometimes. I'm dragging today a little bit, but it's okay. I forgive

00:26:57.660 myself. I love and accept myself exactly as I am. I love and accept myself exactly as I am.

00:27:03.720 Wait, did I give that one to you? Yeah. I think I did. You did. Because I remember you dying for

00:27:08.800 it because that was like my primary Louise Hay grabbed mantra. I thought it would mean nothing

00:27:14.100 to me. And then I do say it from time to time. Well, if you say it over and over again with it

00:27:19.060 meaning nothing, something will click eventually. I've had a profound experience with that where I

00:27:23.440 go, all right, let me see in this moment where I'm agonizing with something. What if I loved

00:27:30.400 myself exactly as I am and accepted myself? And then I was like, wait, what does that even look

00:27:35.180 like? You know, it's like not the mantra alone. Like, what would that even mean? I'm like, oh my

00:27:39.920 God, that's an option. Like it revealed to me that I hadn't thought it was an option if I'm,

00:27:44.940 well, you know, I realized last night I was in a habit that I get in. It's so old for me. It's so

00:27:49.820 endless which is that I've failed the day okay and I'm bummed out at the end of the night because

00:27:55.200 I failed myself I have not lived up to what I believe is supposed to happen in a day and this

00:28:01.120 is an ongoing flagellation yeah and then I become convinced that the unit of measurement of the day

00:28:07.260 is just not a good measurement for me and I have to let go of it but it's convenient it I just want

00:28:12.720 to be one of these people that has a clean day with a start and an end and things happen you

00:28:16.560 I know, I know.

00:28:18.460 And then listen, the day is impossible.

00:28:21.560 It always has been and always will be.

00:28:23.140 But I think also.

00:28:27.420 I'm just like you in repose, you in recline, you in recline like is just.

00:28:35.100 I think also what we can do, what we can do here is sometimes giving up the day is really the best medicine.

00:28:42.880 I'm going, I relinquish this day, you know, and just.

00:28:46.040 You have that ability, though.

00:28:47.920 You have that in you.

00:28:49.420 There's something in you that you have an inherent confidence in sort of your existence.

00:28:54.480 I am so just, I don't know, I don't know.

00:28:58.860 And it's like, do I beat myself up or revisit my various productivity models?

00:29:04.380 I just don't know.

00:29:05.720 Oh, you know what I did do?

00:29:07.180 This is bold.

00:29:08.280 I got an Adderall prescription.

00:29:09.600 It's been 10 years.

00:29:10.760 Oh, that's scary, Jacqueline.

00:29:12.420 I'm going to try as needed.

00:29:13.900 I'm going to try like once and see.

00:29:16.040 you don't need it I don't know it's hard drugs

00:29:18.640 maybe those drugs are hard

00:29:20.440 I mean but at the same time you know the way my

00:29:22.600 system is it's like nothing gets

00:29:24.560 through somehow I'm a

00:29:25.980 brick I throw things at my system

00:29:28.800 and I mean maybe I need a

00:29:30.460 recalibration I don't know I'm just

00:29:32.080 I'm curious because

00:29:34.000 many many years ago my doc

00:29:36.280 you know said this thing about like

00:29:38.500 that I thought was kind of comforting which was like

00:29:40.500 because I'm always looking for this thing like

00:29:41.800 what is my exact diagnosis and

00:29:44.440 issue and then what is the exact medicine that will completely fix it okay right and it's like

00:29:51.660 that's not really a true model certainly not for one's existence in one's brain you know what i

00:29:56.160 mean no and so she was like because i'm like so i always wanted to be really clean like do you or

00:30:00.160 do you not need adderall and she was like well and she described this one person who was like

00:30:05.180 this woman who when she was just an artist and single and living in a cabin okay painting she

00:30:12.620 didn't need adderall okay she was fine her her flowing from attention to attention of whatever 0.99

00:30:17.940 it was fine then she had kids and some other responsibilities needed the adderall different

00:30:24.540 context different needs to be able to pick up the kids yeah the point being it's not like there's

00:30:31.100 there's an adderall shaped hole in you okay or not that either is filled by the adderall you

00:30:37.420 know what i mean like it's like it's fine for it to be contextual in that way i just thought that

00:30:41.540 was kind of an interesting take on that kind of drug certain details provide new context and

00:30:48.020 something shifts and then one thing shifts and everything shifts and i can't imagine the

00:30:53.500 medication i would need to pick up the kids but but yeah i don't know i mean as you know i've been

00:31:00.140 i've been prescribed adderall on and off and i think it's one of the most evil destructive forces

00:31:05.840 that man has ever created okay i didn't know that when it hits it feels good baby

00:31:10.260 Well, I used it to lift myself up in college, freshman year,

00:31:16.180 towards getting off antidepressants.

00:31:18.560 Yeah, I used it to write about Lacan.

00:31:20.200 Yeah.

00:31:21.240 And listen, I would soar.

00:31:22.920 I would sit there for six hours reading.

00:31:25.500 Oh, I just found, I was going through my files,

00:31:28.640 and I found, I really, we need to like, well, no, we don't.

00:31:31.660 You talked about my fear of spontaneous blindness, right?

00:31:35.720 I mean, I'm not surprised by it, and that sounds lightly familiar.

00:31:39.920 As a stress response, like people have like a meltdown and go blind.

00:31:43.940 But I feel like if it's a stress response, 0.99

00:31:46.580 you get that shit back online pretty fast. 0.99

00:31:49.480 No, I think it comes back online, 1.00

00:31:50.620 but I've always had this feeling that I would experience hysterical blindness

00:31:54.840 where you just get a piece of information

00:31:58.780 or something happens and you just can't see anymore.

00:32:02.740 God, well, the other thing that they would promise blindness around 0.59

00:32:07.320 was kundalini awakening, okay? 1.00

00:32:10.600 Promising blindness. 1.00

00:32:11.800 Yeah, they're like, well, they're like, be careful.

00:32:15.440 You know, they're like, be careful.

00:32:16.560 If you let the kundalini energy rise too fast,

00:32:19.760 like some people go into ecstatic blindness, okay? 0.71

00:32:24.520 Oh, wow.

00:32:25.860 You know, the energy shoots.

00:32:27.440 I went through a period where, you know,

00:32:29.760 dealing with depression stuff where I was like, 0.88

00:32:31.280 okay, maybe it's the kundalini energy

00:32:33.580 coiled like a snake at the bottom of my spine

00:32:35.480 that I need to release.

00:32:36.260 and I listened to some meditations and obviously did the yoga.

00:32:40.240 And, you know, it's interesting.

00:32:42.840 Sometimes a metaphor for the energy becomes useful.

00:32:46.240 Yeah.

00:32:46.640 Have we talked about abusing psychics on POOG?

00:32:49.420 Abusing them or abusing them as a drug?

00:32:52.100 Imagining being, yeah, abusing as a drug.

00:32:54.040 It's funny to think about emotionally abusing your psychic.

00:32:57.700 I mean, which I'm sure happens.

00:32:59.120 But like psychic addiction.

00:33:00.760 Oh, you mean like, yeah.

00:33:02.340 Yeah.

00:33:02.580 You can't get enough.

00:33:03.380 You're going back three times a week.

00:33:04.580 Going back, going back for more.

00:33:07.000 You got to be mindful about that.

00:33:08.380 Yeah, there's something, I don't know.

00:33:10.120 I mean, it's a very fundamental existential question.

00:33:13.320 Do you want to know what's going to happen to you?

00:33:14.880 And why do you need someone to tell you what's going to happen to you

00:33:17.240 or not happen to you?

00:33:18.780 It's just reassurance seeking.

00:33:20.000 I think for me as someone with OCD,

00:33:23.080 I have to stay way away from the psych.

00:33:25.260 I have to stay far away from the psychics

00:33:26.660 because what are you looking for?

00:33:28.660 You're going to, like the psychic, it's the tarot thing.

00:33:30.780 I mean, tarot is interesting

00:33:31.880 and I think it's so open for interpretation

00:33:33.860 And so you can pull cards for yourself and, you know, it's a jumping off point, I suppose.

00:33:38.600 It doesn't have to be a, well, it doesn't have to be a fortune telling, so to speak.

00:33:43.320 Oh, we got to go to break.

00:33:44.440 We'll be right back.

00:33:49.060 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:33:53.100 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:33:58.320 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:34:02.140 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:34:03.400 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:34:07.200 No, I am not your guru.

00:34:10.960 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:34:13.580 I lied to police.

00:34:14.860 I lied to everybody.

00:34:15.840 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:34:18.820 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:34:21.500 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:34:24.320 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:34:27.660 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:34:30.580 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:34:31.980 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

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00:35:16.540 or wherever you listen to podcasts i i have to pee or else i'll kill myself once i i doubt we're

00:35:26.740 going to use the the audio of me alone but you never know maybe it could be kind of interesting

00:35:33.780 once again i find something interesting that others do not i what i would say about that is

00:35:40.020 that that moment where you hit something you go you hit up on something you go this is an interesting

00:35:43.900 run i feel like the gods are daring you so to speak and that's when you must push through and

00:35:50.500 push through the wall because there's going to be treasure on the other side the very fact

00:35:53.720 that's been hidden obscured by the seeming wall of uninterestingness i shall push through i really

00:36:00.980 think that's how you get to the the river beneath the river so to speak she's really taking her

00:36:06.360 time out there i guess let's see did i cover the things oh what did someone want to someone said

00:36:11.840 you never got my thoughts on soul cycle oh right i know what it was it was um the arm movements

00:36:16.620 and the weird sort of push-ups using the bars they just they don't feel natural they don't feel

00:36:21.360 right they don't feel like you would never design a bike or you'd never design a thing where you're

00:36:27.660 in that position in order to do sort of this arm work and so i just i'm like my thought is you

00:36:33.460 chose bikes you need to stick with bike like you don't get to make this about arm movements now

00:36:37.900 i don't know it's not perfect notion but it is how i feel i don't know there's something

00:36:42.780 interesting about about talking in kate's absence and now i'm wondering because i could use a drink

00:36:48.640 of water if Kate talks while I'm gone and when we don't hear it and only the listener does.

00:36:54.160 Very interesting. Kate, are you back? She doesn't have her headphones on yet.

00:36:57.700 Okay, so I've done an interesting experiment. Can you hear me yet? I've spoken to the listener

00:37:01.740 while you were gone. I thought it might be interesting. Maybe we'll end up using the

00:37:05.280 Zoom for continuity. So I just talked to the listener while you were gone and I want you to

00:37:11.460 do the same for a minute. So hold on. My mouth is so dry that I'm going to run and you're going

00:37:18.060 to talk while I'm gone just as I did without you. And I think that'll be very exciting and

00:37:21.940 maybe we'll never listen and only the listener will know. Hi, it's me. I'm laying down.

00:37:27.840 My failure today is something that I take complete responsibility for, something that I own.

00:37:37.060 And yes, I'm tired. Yes, I'm not hung over yet feeling the effects of the martinis. Yes,

00:37:45.960 I am on day three of my period.

00:37:49.800 Yes, there could be travel fatigue at play.

00:37:54.740 I feel a rage simmering that I'm trying to resist.

00:38:01.820 I'm trying to resist to give in to.

00:38:04.500 I have to be honest, this has been the most difficult poog recording of my life.

00:38:09.740 Jacqueline, you're back.

00:38:10.820 Typical that I just didn't even get as much time.

00:38:15.460 Well, what I'd said was unusually bad.

00:38:16.980 Well, so was mine, but that's part of it.

00:38:19.360 This is so hard today for me.

00:38:23.220 It didn't start that way.

00:38:24.600 What happened? 1.00

00:38:25.560 It's a rainy day poog, okay? 1.00

00:38:27.440 Do you understand? 1.00

00:38:28.280 Yeah.

00:38:28.680 That has value too.

00:38:30.000 So to me, this is a kind of day where people might even turn this on when they're hungover.

00:38:35.080 They can save this.

00:38:36.180 Okay.

00:38:36.920 You know what I mean?

00:38:38.440 Like it's kind of cozy.

00:38:39.840 You just, of course, freed me as usual.

00:38:42.880 Okay, thank you.

00:38:45.460 i have the mic i'm clutching the mic for fear for fear of losing it i can see your hands and

00:38:53.880 they look beautiful they look just like oh elegant hands i gotta say so there's a couple

00:38:59.420 things we've covered today i just want to make sure we don't miss anything my face do you find

00:39:04.360 do you feel yourself betrayed by your face because i'm unable to hide my inner emotions my

00:39:10.160 face is an immediate offers immediate explanation for what's going on internally for me it's a one

00:39:15.960 to one yet with you it's one to one my attempts to hide the internal just backfire i think that's

00:39:21.600 one of the reasons you're a brilliant actor i think it's part of your your immediacy your

00:39:26.720 spontaneity wow wow and i think being you know to be friends with you is to also know the mask

00:39:33.100 okay and the mask is also or the various masks and the masks are also thus become a sort of

00:39:40.600 secondary delivery of information from you right because oh there's the mask where she's trying to

00:39:46.360 pretend what i'm saying is landing but i've realized that i thought i was but i think i

00:39:56.000 thought i was better at hiding than i am because because i'm always irritated by like when i see

00:40:02.920 someone irritated or something and they're not hiding.

00:40:04.900 I'm like, what the hell?

00:40:05.620 Like, pull it together.

00:40:06.560 And then, like, and then I catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror.

00:40:10.000 And, like, one time I was cleaning my bathroom in New York

00:40:13.880 and the other roommate came in and was like,

00:40:17.400 oh, come on, it's not that bad.

00:40:19.140 You know what I mean?

00:40:19.660 That kind of thing.

00:40:20.400 And I was like, I know.

00:40:22.100 Like, what do you mean?

00:40:23.080 And it's like apparently I was making a face like a cartoon character

00:40:26.640 of, like, P.U.

00:40:29.020 Yeah.

00:40:29.300 I was making a face like the most extreme, like, and I didn't know it.

00:40:34.560 Whoa, did you see that ghostly flash on the screen?

00:40:37.120 Don't even say it now.

00:40:38.740 Another haunting?

00:40:41.520 I mean, the veil is thin this time of year and it's not a joke.

00:40:45.560 Really?

00:40:45.880 It's real.

00:40:46.780 Yeah.

00:40:46.960 Really?

00:40:47.340 Yeah, so you got to be actually careful.

00:40:49.020 Why?

00:40:49.340 About what?

00:40:50.860 About dying.

00:40:52.340 Really?

00:40:53.820 Well, yeah, I've heard that.

00:40:55.200 I've heard that.

00:40:55.800 And I don't think it's just the wintry weather.

00:40:57.340 I think...

00:40:58.660 People die more around this time of year?

00:41:01.260 I mean, I'm speaking from utter nothingness.

00:41:04.020 You're speaking from a Halloween point of view.

00:41:06.460 Frankly, more than that.

00:41:07.600 I mean, it's confirmation bias.

00:41:10.620 Yeah.

00:41:11.060 See, there's a mask. 0.91

00:41:12.580 Okay, but that was a vocal one.

00:41:13.800 You said, yeah, but you were staring at something else.

00:41:15.480 Oh my God, yeah.

00:41:16.600 Okay, confirmation bias where I'm going.

00:41:18.980 Someone dies in the winter, I go,

00:41:20.300 veil's thin this time of year.

00:41:21.740 Gotta be careful.

00:41:22.960 And it's really fun to say.

00:41:24.760 The veil is thin this time of year.

00:41:26.400 wow i'll say just a quick halloween so i'm oh you know what i haven't even thought about my

00:41:32.480 exhaustion today is also exhaustion surrounding halloween and that i philosophically love i love

00:41:39.540 to walk down the street i love it you know i love the decorations i love the brings people together

00:41:44.520 i love seeing little kids dressed up it's like great but i don't actually ever want to dress up

00:41:51.640 ever and that's something that I also feel it's it's also a thing of people always assume I want

00:41:58.660 to do karaoke and I have really struggled with karaoke and Halloween is also one of those things

00:42:02.980 that I feel is thrown onto me it's poured onto me and I have to then you know I'm backing away

00:42:11.120 and they're throwing they're throwing draping it on you they're draping it on me and it's not out

00:42:16.980 of contempt or disdain or i want people to have fun and dress up but i don't want to i have to

00:42:24.120 really admit that i don't want to do it why i mean i just don't want to do it and i think it's i don't

00:42:30.620 even like to say that because i even want to lie and go oh i loved but i've jefflyn i've never really 0.84

00:42:36.300 dressed up for halloween i'm not fucking kidding you since i was a child oh my god also the last 0.82

00:42:40.760 few years i happen to be working on halloween or i've been like having to write or something so 0.96

00:42:46.460 trick-or-treaters come to the house and that I love.

00:42:49.260 I like seeing the trick-or-treaters

00:42:50.560 and getting candy. And do you have candy for them? Of course.

00:42:52.780 Of course. I have candy and a bowl.

00:42:55.080 But I don't want to do it

00:42:56.440 and maybe

00:42:57.680 Halloween always escapes me.

00:43:00.300 I love the idea of having some great costume and doing

00:43:02.560 it but and even tonight, tonight's

00:43:04.500 Halloween. Last night of course was the Saturday

00:43:06.340 before Halloween big party night.

00:43:08.000 I found it completely unacceptable. Sorry to interrupt.

00:43:11.240 What? Completely

00:43:12.540 unacceptable the way there was literally no

00:43:14.600 acknowledgement yesterday with all the costume postings

00:43:16.660 yesterday being Saturday, there was no acknowledgement

00:43:18.800 that it was not Halloween yet

00:43:20.220 like everyone's just like, Happy Hallows Eve

00:43:22.840 okay, no one says that, except for me

00:43:24.400 I mean, plenty do not call myself the original

00:43:26.600 yeah, they're just like

00:43:28.400 here it is, like the, almost like

00:43:30.900 the way on Thanksgiving

00:43:32.460 someone might just be like, I'm thankful for, and the context

00:43:34.780 is, today is Thanksgiving, so we understand why they're

00:43:36.680 posting it, it's the same yesterday

00:43:38.380 and I just think it's unacceptable, like

00:43:40.020 like, no, wait, wait

00:43:42.840 wait like take your pictures yesterday

00:43:45.740 if that's when you're going to a party

00:43:47.120 again fantasies of having the sort of

00:43:49.680 the greatest Halloween party

00:43:51.900 that I don't know

00:43:53.100 it's like the Heidi Klum Halloween thing

00:43:55.540 like I love

00:43:56.300 okay so I was going to say

00:43:57.840 3k in outfit

00:44:00.200 3k try 60k

00:44:03.340 3k

00:44:04.580 oh please

00:44:06.040 3k alone on just the body paint

00:44:10.340 but yeah

00:44:11.140 I was walking to the park today.

00:44:13.560 Little dogs dressed up in Halloween costumes.

00:44:15.160 Little kids dressed up cheering on the dogs.

00:44:17.740 When I tell you I was uplifted almost to the point of tears,

00:44:20.740 that would not be an exaggeration.

00:44:22.160 I was so moved.

00:44:24.100 Yes.

00:44:24.700 Little kids in their costumes,

00:44:26.640 so excited to see the dogs all dressed up.

00:44:29.640 And like screaming and yelling out.

00:44:31.840 I saw this little dog waddling in an avocado costume.

00:44:36.840 Ordinarily, of course, I'd be like,

00:44:38.040 oh God, the culture.

00:44:39.020 There's no imagination left. 1.00

00:44:40.160 you know no new images yeah for them to run this little girl dressed as a witch screamed

00:44:44.100 an avocado screamed it so loud the dog was startled screamed an avocado yeah i'm so excited

00:44:50.340 and then the dog was startled by her scream and it was like the sweetest thing and it just

00:44:55.440 the dog was startled by her scream because it's like a little girl screaming an avocado super

00:44:59.720 high-pitched yeah and the little avocado here's my question how old was the little girl five i

00:45:05.280 don't know okay because i actually feel like she's at an age where recognizing an avocado

00:45:08.660 like is meaningful like oh that's that thing mommy cuts she's not she wasn't that young it was more

00:45:14.660 just like no she knew completely what an avocado was it was more just like how sweet she was just

00:45:19.140 excited to see a dog dress as an avocado and i just oh really i was so moved i felt spiritual

00:45:26.660 uplift i felt spiritually uplifted and yet here i am a couple hours later immobile on the couch

00:45:31.780 oh yeah well maybe that emotional high

00:45:34.780 can you go that high

00:45:36.340 I'm depleted

00:45:37.140 the dopamine just

00:45:38.040 you gotta go low

00:45:38.920 I'm just trying to think

00:45:40.420 what is the most

00:45:41.340 important

00:45:41.960 may go high

00:45:42.400 we go low

00:45:43.120 Halloween

00:45:44.200 Halloween thing

00:45:46.160 that's gonna happen

00:45:46.840 for me today

00:45:47.440 so I am gonna

00:45:48.260 I'm thinking about

00:45:48.800 sitting out there

00:45:49.480 and scaring the children

00:45:50.380 maybe

00:45:50.800 setting up on the front porch

00:45:52.600 that's fun

00:45:53.440 see that actually

00:45:54.580 was a fantasy

00:45:55.120 I had a couple years ago

00:45:56.000 I was like

00:45:56.200 I wanna start being

00:45:56.820 a scary Halloween person

00:45:58.600 where I scare the children

00:45:59.760 yeah

00:46:00.380 scare the children

00:46:01.120 give them

00:46:01.540 give them something

00:46:02.300 give them some magic

00:46:03.220 in their life

00:46:03.900 well you know

00:46:04.660 one of my greatest, greatest,

00:46:06.580 probably 25-year fantasy at this point, okay?

00:46:11.260 I want to make a haunted house.

00:46:14.340 I said it.

00:46:15.440 The ultimate, the greatest.

00:46:17.520 You mean like spend 20K?

00:46:18.860 The most sheer, terrifying.

00:46:20.860 It could be low budget.

00:46:22.000 On your front yard?

00:46:22.280 It could be not low budget.

00:46:23.860 Or like you rent out a space.

00:46:24.500 I don't even know.

00:46:25.580 Just the creation of haunted houses thrills me.

00:46:29.460 Ooh, that does sound fun.

00:46:30.740 Like being like, you know,

00:46:31.840 like imagine like,

00:46:32.560 or you're with a group and you're like,

00:46:33.960 you're like yeah I know you think it would be scary for a ghost

00:46:36.220 to pop out whatever a witch to pop out

00:46:38.160 but what if instead and then it's something like

00:46:40.240 insanely scary

00:46:41.260 you know like to upset the expectations

00:46:44.640 would you ever want to go

00:46:46.320 to one of the haunted houses where you have to sign

00:46:48.200 a release where it's like so scary you have

00:46:50.400 to well

00:46:52.000 where they do psychological torture

00:46:54.140 I went to not scary farm

00:46:56.180 with Chris like two

00:46:58.040 or three Halloweens ago have you been

00:46:59.980 absolutely not

00:47:01.820 sorry for the disdain I don't know what

00:47:03.900 With some friends.

00:47:05.280 No, so it was very exciting to me because it's like, you know,

00:47:07.460 I've moved to Los Angeles.

00:47:08.580 This is a theme park I've never been to.

00:47:10.860 And there's a Halloween-themed thing.

00:47:13.860 I go, they have the haunted mazes, they're called,

00:47:16.140 which are basically haunted houses, okay?

00:47:18.180 Have you ever been in one?

00:47:19.160 No.

00:47:20.120 Kate, it's one of the scariest things I've ever done.

00:47:24.000 Will you take me next year?

00:47:25.320 Kate, I had an anxiety attack.

00:47:27.140 Yes, I promise.

00:47:28.960 Not an anxiety attack in the clinical sense.

00:47:30.800 I want to be dead clear.

00:47:32.060 It's hyperbole.

00:47:33.900 But I got there and the realization at Not Scary Farm was that you're never safe.

00:47:39.640 The minute you walk in, you're not safe, okay?

00:47:42.680 So it's one thing to go, oh, there's a haunted house.

00:47:44.400 I'm not going to go in it.

00:47:45.460 They have people roaming and scaring you on the loose grounds.

00:47:50.120 That's scary.

00:47:50.620 Okay, so I realized I wasn't safe and I tried to find this area where there was a wall behind me

00:47:55.900 and I could sit and I could see.

00:47:57.720 So there were the ones with the major lines and then there was the original,

00:48:00.480 okay which was like in theory the lesser ones just like a haunted house right it wasn't like

00:48:05.040 the like the hills have eyes one or whatever okay it just like looks pretty simple and we go in

00:48:10.800 and it is the scariest thing that's ever happened to me okay it's just a house you have to move

00:48:15.640 through and things are popping out okay that's terrifying the fact nothing scarier than a house

00:48:20.260 and you have to move your own body because it's not like being in one of those carts which frankly

00:48:24.100 is also scary you know those cart rides where they zip you around and like things pop up no

00:48:28.860 this requires you to move through it i froze in place i didn't know what to do i was terrified

00:48:35.740 okay and like literally so afraid like it was a real like i was like i don't know what to do

00:48:40.860 and chris like like had to like firmly say it was a huge moment in our like relationship in a way

00:48:46.860 he's like he didn't say the only way out is through okay but it was it was basically we

00:48:52.360 have to keep moving okay we have to keep moving like it's the only way out and he's referenced

00:48:58.620 did a few times where i in life where i when i'm frozen yeah you gotta and he's like we have to

00:49:03.880 push through oh ain't that the truth and we pushed through and then i couldn't get enough

00:49:09.280 and then i sort of became this challenge of like okay once i understand that like i have to be in

00:49:16.660 a state where i expect that if you're permanently expecting the jumps then you don't have to be

00:49:21.120 afraid but then that is the very same metaphor that leads us to constantly worry about death

00:49:25.900 and things in life so that it doesn't surprise us.

00:49:27.700 So it's ultimately not good. 1.00

00:49:29.720 Fuck. 0.99

00:49:30.900 It's interesting. 1.00

00:49:31.860 And then I'm just thinking about my own,

00:49:34.600 I love Halloween, I would say, but do I?

00:49:37.700 And the thing that happens when you're surprised,

00:49:40.220 we don't really know what we want or like,

00:49:42.140 or it can be surprising with something

00:49:43.380 that you think you're going to like or want.

00:49:45.940 You actually don't.

00:49:47.480 It's Halloween for something in my life

00:49:49.720 that every year I feel this.

00:49:51.040 And it, you know, like I'm like,

00:49:52.820 why wouldn't I love parties?

00:49:54.360 I love dressing up.

00:49:55.740 Right.

00:49:55.900 Those are my favorite things on earth.

00:49:57.760 I would say.

00:49:58.680 Is it the costume?

00:49:59.180 What is it?

00:49:59.680 Why do I struggle?

00:50:01.240 I mean, I think it in part is that when you're already a performer, okay?

00:50:06.460 Well, let's dress up, baby.

00:50:08.600 Then you're like, I don't know.

00:50:10.840 It's almost like you get to have your fun.

00:50:14.340 Like you're on set most of, you know what I mean?

00:50:16.580 Like you already get your dress up fun.

00:50:19.420 Other people literally don't.

00:50:21.340 There's their only chance.

00:50:22.500 is there anything more

00:50:24.660 disgraceful than me being like 1.00

00:50:26.840 these poor fools 0.99

00:50:28.180 I mean my whole life's theater 1.00

00:50:29.840 well yeah I mean that's exactly what I was saying 0.98

00:50:32.980 but not saying that they're fools for that 0.64

00:50:35.400 just saying that it's not built into their life 0.97

00:50:37.400 I already get that high

00:50:38.440 can you blame them 1.00

00:50:39.940 but I do want to just call out Rainy Day Poog for a second 1.00

00:50:43.240 and that's sort of the vibe you have

00:50:44.500 because we're wrapping up Rainy Day Poog right now

00:50:47.200 because it reminds me of

00:50:48.760 like this episode is there for you

00:50:51.160 on a rainy day

00:50:52.440 Okay, it reminds me of the feeling of like my friend Deirdre specifically picking me up maybe like to drive to school with like –

00:50:59.740 and that's like stopping at Dunkin' Donuts and like running in through the rain and getting a nice heinous styrofoam cup of the French vanilla and milk.

00:51:08.780 And just getting – it's just the quiet, the quiet feeling of just today we're just sort of resting inside of our own skin.

00:51:17.080 You know what I mean?

00:51:19.080 The world is cold.

00:51:20.040 I'm definitely resting inside my own skin right now.

00:51:22.440 I think I might have to take like a 20-minute nap when we finish this.

00:51:26.060 I've never taken less than 45.

00:51:28.420 You know, I'm a huge...

00:51:30.460 If you can really fall asleep for seven minutes, incredible.

00:51:34.580 Well, I go into REM near instantly,

00:51:37.720 and I just wonder what that does to me.

00:51:39.740 I'll take a 20-minute nap.

00:51:41.500 I'm dreaming.

00:51:43.260 Full-on dreaming.

00:51:44.560 Yeah.

00:51:45.460 Like, in theory, that's not supposed to happen for like four hours in.

00:51:50.060 All right, I make no apologies for today.

00:51:51.920 I think today was guerrilla journalism, a term I don't understand.

00:51:56.300 I feel so much, and this sounds like I'm overcompensating here,

00:51:58.680 I feel so much gratitude for people listening to POOG,

00:52:01.260 and I'm going to release the shame I feel that I completely let down the listeners today.

00:52:06.140 I'm just going to release that, and, you know, we both know,

00:52:10.920 when I say we both, I mean you and I, and the listeners being two different units,

00:52:15.020 and we both know that I was off, and that's okay.

00:52:18.100 and I'm going to be back next week

00:52:21.100 with a huge flame inside me.

00:52:23.580 I disagree, okay?

00:52:25.120 Okay.

00:52:26.100 I think you were sensational.

00:52:27.580 I think I was this sort of red-faced tyrant.

00:52:30.460 Okay, just filling the air.

00:52:32.500 Not at all.

00:52:33.140 Filling the air and not well.

00:52:35.360 I didn't become a double flame.

00:52:37.640 I didn't become the double flame.

00:52:39.640 Okay.

00:52:40.440 I love you.

00:52:41.360 Happy Halloween, everyone.

00:52:44.560 Happy Hallow's Eve.

00:52:47.040 Good night.

00:52:48.100 Good night.

00:52:49.440 That was POOG.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - November 02, 2021

Rainy Day Poog

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