Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - November 09, 2021


Relinquish the Olive

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Length

50 minutes

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208.82

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10,522

Sentence count

900

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00:01:05.080 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.
00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.
00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.
00:01:12.380 Two untamable intellects.
00:01:14.140 This is our hobby. 0.97
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00:01:19.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking.
00:01:21.000 cocktails and cans smileys wide body jet hello hey it's me and my sweet oh my god it's me in my
00:01:32.660 home you are finally back in your home i have to say i'm back i'm back in los angeles i have not
00:01:39.200 been in los angeles for four months you know and i also want to say forgive any congestion folks i'm
00:01:45.040 experiencing some allergies don't worry um actually forgive my congestion as well i can't blow my nose
00:01:49.840 because when I do in this hotel room
00:01:51.820 and in this cold Chicago weather,
00:01:54.640 literally instant blood spurting.
00:01:57.200 It's happened a couple days in a row.
00:01:59.000 I used to get bloody noses constantly.
00:02:01.020 I'm thinking of traveling with a humidifier 0.99
00:02:02.640 to be a real dick. 0.99
00:02:04.200 Can you imagine? 1.00
00:02:04.840 Oh, yeah.
00:02:05.660 Rolling in my own humidifier. 0.96
00:02:07.360 Well, we talked about humidifiers on Poog 0.84
00:02:08.900 and I bought one
00:02:09.700 and then was instantly absolutely crushed
00:02:13.040 under the reality of having to clean it
00:02:15.360 that I can't have one.
00:02:17.880 It's just too much.
00:02:18.720 Well, I've reached out to Canopy
00:02:19.700 on our behalf for this reason.
00:02:21.120 Oh, thank you.
00:02:21.460 Okay, yeah.
00:02:22.540 Like I have, you know, Votivo.
00:02:24.920 I have one, wait, is that the brand?
00:02:26.640 The diffuser.
00:02:27.680 Oh God, strike me down.
00:02:28.900 Vitruvi?
00:02:29.580 Vitruvi, Vitruvi.
00:02:30.840 And like I have to clean that.
00:02:34.160 I have to clean that.
00:02:35.620 And I of course have yet to
00:02:36.860 because it involves vinegar or bleach or something
00:02:39.620 and I just cannot bring myself,
00:02:42.160 it can't be bleach,
00:02:42.900 diffusing the air with bleach.
00:02:44.100 That would be horrifying.
00:02:44.900 I know, I know, I know.
00:02:46.340 And yet, is bleach?
00:02:48.680 People, I've heard this,
00:02:49.420 People get dental surgery and they're like, dilute bleach and swish around with it.
00:02:54.920 And if that feels so scary, I cannot wait to get my teeth cleaned.
00:02:58.100 I'm just reminded I get to set up an appointment.
00:02:59.940 I'm so excited.
00:03:00.860 Me too.
00:03:01.880 I am, yeah, I can't wait to get in there and just get it clean.
00:03:06.720 Wait, but I interrupted you because I needed them to know I too was congested.
00:03:10.800 Right.
00:03:11.020 And I feel like, I'm sorry.
00:03:12.460 You sound normal.
00:03:13.340 Back in LA, right?
00:03:14.820 It's just, I feel it.
00:03:15.620 I know that I want to blow my nose, a morning blow.
00:03:19.420 Oh, I can't wait for you to get back to LA.
00:03:22.020 I really need to be physically close to you.
00:03:25.580 I have a couple of things I wanted to talk about.
00:03:28.080 One was that I returned to the home
00:03:29.540 and the moths are still here and it almost made me cry.
00:03:34.020 And then last night I got into bed,
00:03:35.100 I threw back my sheets
00:03:36.700 and there were like two moths in my bed.
00:03:39.100 And then I was laying there contemplating
00:03:42.380 what the future could possibly have in store for me
00:03:45.160 and a moth landed on my cheek.
00:03:48.400 No.
00:03:49.420 And I went and I flicked it off and then it flew out.
00:03:51.520 And I...
00:03:52.140 All right, let me think about this.
00:03:53.920 In complete silence.
00:03:54.700 I was, it made me so sad.
00:03:56.480 And I just, it was like this, it was overwhelming.
00:03:59.680 And I'm going to figure it out today.
00:04:01.560 I'm going to just go in there.
00:04:02.460 I'm going to look in the grain.
00:04:03.640 Here's what the good news.
00:04:04.680 I don't think they're in my closet.
00:04:06.160 Like I'm going to look in like my oats.
00:04:07.640 I'm just going to have to throw away a lot.
00:04:09.540 There's also something because I feel the fire in me of getting rid of things.
00:04:14.180 Being away from your house for like four months is a gift in that way.
00:04:17.360 Because you come back and you go, I don't need this.
00:04:19.220 Because you go, I didn't need any of this.
00:04:20.980 Yeah, I lived without this.
00:04:22.460 I don't need any of this.
00:04:23.600 I'm even looking at my suitcases that I took and brought back. 0.99
00:04:25.900 I'm like, I don't need half this shit. 0.99
00:04:27.220 Get it all out. 1.00
00:04:27.980 Get it all out.
00:04:28.540 Oh, my God.
00:04:29.400 Will I have the strength?
00:04:30.880 I want it out.
00:04:31.780 I'm done.
00:04:32.600 Oh, I know.
00:04:33.420 I mean, I'm trying to think.
00:04:34.860 I want 16 things.
00:04:35.740 What do I want to get rid of?
00:04:37.360 Yeah, I know.
00:04:38.040 I want to just bring it down.
00:04:40.000 Just bring it down.
00:04:41.100 It all takes up space in the mind.
00:04:42.980 Exactly.
00:04:43.460 All possessions do.
00:04:44.720 Every receipt that you have in your home takes a place in your brain.
00:04:48.580 Oh.
00:04:48.960 Listen, I just want to get right into something is that I discovered hard seltzer when I was
00:04:55.660 in Pittsburgh. I think I talked about this. You know, I had an afternoon with White Claw.
00:04:59.740 Hard seltzer, not hard. You don't mean hard kombucha.
00:05:02.780 No doubt. I mean hard seltzer. I had an afternoon with White Claw, but then my friend,
00:05:08.980 Lil Frex, shout out to her, turned me on to High Noon, which is like an elevated
00:05:13.920 hard seltzer. And I was thinking about you, Jacqueline, because I think, of course,
00:05:18.440 it's not keto, but it's like a can of it has a hundred calories and like two carbs and like
00:05:23.260 two grams of sugar. And it's absolutely sublime. And I actually DMed High Noon like, love you.
00:05:29.340 Because I'm like, because I don't drink beer, but I'm like, I could really enjoy at a, you know,
00:05:37.920 you go to a- Oh, to crack open a can. Crack open a can. Crack open a can of High Noon.
00:05:42.300 Well, you know, I think I've said this, but I've taken to canned cocktails, okay?
00:05:47.500 something really
00:05:48.840 and there's some ones
00:05:50.240 like at Whole Foods
00:05:50.940 there's this brand 0.99
00:05:51.680 fuck I can't remember 0.99
00:05:52.540 what it's called right now 0.99
00:05:53.300 it's like
00:05:53.700 I'll find it
00:05:55.820 but I've really been
00:05:57.000 I just feel so bad for them
00:05:58.700 you know what I mean
00:05:59.400 when I love them
00:06:00.580 I'm trying to push them
00:06:02.080 and you can't conjure the name
00:06:03.180 that's hard
00:06:03.660 it's like
00:06:03.980 yeah the name is something like
00:06:05.500 it's not this
00:06:06.300 and once I find out
00:06:07.580 we'll understand why
00:06:08.420 it feels like this
00:06:09.360 like the only thing I can say
00:06:11.480 to feel like
00:06:12.060 here's what the shape of it is
00:06:13.260 is like if the name of the company
00:06:14.700 was Austin River Riders
00:06:16.080 okay
00:06:17.180 So let's just start with Austin River Riders and go from there.
00:06:20.720 Actually, Emma, do you want to Google like cocktails at Whole Foods,
00:06:26.540 canned cocktails at Whole Foods?
00:06:27.940 Okay.
00:06:28.460 Well, I would love for you to experience a high noon,
00:06:31.440 the mango flavor, the passion fruit.
00:06:33.300 I mean, they're all – anyway, it's just – it's kind of sublime.
00:06:37.960 You've got that on the list.
00:06:39.200 Keep it coming.
00:06:39.660 Okay.
00:06:40.120 I also wanted to talk about – we've never discussed this,
00:06:45.300 And it's something that I feel people who hug you so tightly.
00:06:50.960 And I'm not talking about someone who's close to you.
00:06:52.740 I'm not talking about a close friend,
00:06:54.360 someone that you would love to embrace.
00:06:55.660 I'm talking about someone that maybe you see four times a year
00:06:57.940 and that when you encounter them,
00:07:00.460 they squeeze you with such force in this way
00:07:03.480 that eliminates your body from your soul
00:07:06.760 and you go limp and they continue to squeeze.
00:07:09.360 Is this familiar to you?
00:07:10.880 Yes.
00:07:11.280 I have three people in my mind who when I see them
00:07:13.080 and we're acquaintances,
00:07:14.400 They hug me so tightly
00:07:15.660 and I take it as actually an act of hostility.
00:07:18.840 Okay, I think, here's what it is for me.
00:07:20.920 To me, the tighter the squeeze,
00:07:22.600 the faster the hug has to be over.
00:07:24.540 Oh, of course.
00:07:25.140 I'm talking about people that vice grip you
00:07:26.360 and then hold for minutes.
00:07:27.540 And I've had experiences where I go limp
00:07:29.300 and they remain squeezing.
00:07:31.120 No, when you go limp
00:07:31.960 and then you have to reinvigorate the squeeze
00:07:34.500 to make them not Seattle River riders.
00:07:38.040 No, I'm just kidding.
00:07:39.020 It's like it's in that realm, okay?
00:07:40.840 But I feel bad for them
00:07:42.480 when I go limp.
00:07:44.040 Of course, it makes you feel shame.
00:07:46.040 And then they are still tight.
00:07:47.600 And so then I sometimes reinvigorate
00:07:49.200 the squeeze on my end.
00:07:51.480 But it just, it's too much.
00:07:53.360 It's too much.
00:07:54.160 And by the way, I am a physical person.
00:07:56.080 I'm very affectionate.
00:07:58.000 But when you do a really tight hug
00:08:00.640 with someone like that,
00:08:01.640 it doesn't,
00:08:03.240 that's not connection
00:08:05.400 and that's not going to make,
00:08:06.600 that's not,
00:08:07.840 again, I just always,
00:08:09.460 whenever these people have done this to me,
00:08:11.120 it always feels hostile.
00:08:12.480 I feel like they want to punch me, but instead they're going to hug me.
00:08:15.280 Oh, that's hysterical.
00:08:16.240 Or something.
00:08:16.780 It's like...
00:08:17.500 Well, I don't like getting stuck in someone's like neck.
00:08:21.820 Oh, yeah.
00:08:22.400 Like choking.
00:08:22.940 You know what I mean?
00:08:23.460 Like when you're staring out.
00:08:24.760 I've been injured being hugged.
00:08:26.720 First of all, people realize I've had to...
00:08:28.560 Well, I'm wearing sunglasses.
00:08:29.920 So that's one injury where they crush you.
00:08:31.680 And then I've also had a hug injury of sometimes if it's someone who's wearing an earring,
00:08:37.180 the earring scratches you or...
00:08:39.720 Oh, wow.
00:08:40.800 That's been really hard.
00:08:42.980 Do you wear earrings a lot?
00:08:44.360 I haven't had one in my ear in quite some time.
00:08:47.540 As you know, I, of course, don't have my ears pierced.
00:08:49.400 Oh, no, right.
00:08:49.980 But clip-on, of course, is an option.
00:08:51.220 I've been really into clip-ons lately.
00:08:52.380 I have three pairs of clip-ons that I rotate.
00:08:54.960 One's been getting a lot of action lately in particular.
00:08:57.780 And I put my hair up.
00:08:59.940 Okay, there's a lot.
00:09:01.100 Oh, and you sent me a picture.
00:09:02.800 I sent you a picture.
00:09:03.720 And I was like, that was the meaning, right?
00:09:04.460 It was like, look, I have my hair up.
00:09:05.660 Yeah, to work my hair is up.
00:09:06.300 Yeah.
00:09:06.560 Yeah.
00:09:07.100 I was very excited.
00:09:08.400 I think it's a beautiful look on you.
00:09:09.680 And I'm wearing my clip-ons.
00:09:10.520 And I have to say, putting my hair up, I felt like a completely different woman.
00:09:15.420 You know, I remember a hairstylist in Washington, D.C.
00:09:20.560 I went in there and I was like very like a believer in this guy.
00:09:25.400 And like this girl was heading out and she had these big hoop earrings.
00:09:29.460 He's like, we cut around the hoops.
00:09:31.300 Like he was like, you know, like we did the cut around the earring,
00:09:34.740 which is obviously like a deranged idea
00:09:38.980 that thrills me nonetheless.
00:09:41.300 Do you know what I mean?
00:09:43.200 I mean, so I guess she's committed to hoops
00:09:45.220 for the next six months.
00:09:46.580 Six months, yeah.
00:09:47.660 Well, I can't wait.
00:09:48.260 I'm going back under the scissors.
00:09:50.400 I want to go to your person for a haircut.
00:09:51.900 Oh, yeah.
00:09:52.560 I've heard they're coming in.
00:09:53.700 Give me what's next.
00:09:54.600 Ranch Rider Spirits Company.
00:09:56.280 Ranch Rider Spirits Company.
00:09:57.580 There it is.
00:09:58.580 Would you say Austin City Riders?
00:10:00.100 Yeah, I don't know them.
00:10:01.500 I have to say I'm quite pleased.
00:10:02.640 I really enjoy their...
00:10:04.000 Is it vodka-based because high noons are vodka,
00:10:06.260 which I don't typically drink.
00:10:06.620 I think they're tequila.
00:10:08.000 I think they're tequila-based.
00:10:09.160 I think it was like...
00:10:09.620 Well, that's my drink.
00:10:10.500 Yeah, I think it was like a...
00:10:12.180 I can't remember the name of the cocktail.
00:10:13.400 But anyway, they have a three.
00:10:14.300 I would get the three-pack
00:10:15.100 and I'd crack them open in the evening.
00:10:18.080 And it gave me...
00:10:18.940 I got to do sort of the role play
00:10:20.320 of sort of the man with his beer.
00:10:22.580 Oh, exactly.
00:10:23.400 I think, yeah, yeah.
00:10:24.500 I think there's something about being someone who...
00:10:26.740 Hey, let's get a six-pack of those.
00:10:29.420 Let's get a six-pack.
00:10:30.000 Oh, do I have any in the fridge?
00:10:31.380 And then opening them going, yeah, I do.
00:10:32.800 and something about seeing the waste of beer cans
00:10:35.540 like on the coffee table
00:10:37.160 there's something about that that feels very romantic
00:10:39.180 well it's also like
00:10:41.280 the distinct the empty can
00:10:42.920 like I can't stand when an empty can falls
00:10:45.100 okay
00:10:45.840 like it makes me feel like falls
00:10:48.260 and sort of like
00:10:48.820 the empty can actually to me in that way
00:10:52.160 is kind of horrifying
00:10:52.960 it's like if I see a can on a thing 0.96
00:10:55.880 and I'm like is that fucking empty 0.99
00:10:57.200 like it really reads as trash to me 0.99
00:10:58.900 if I walk over and feel it and it's still full of liquid
00:11:01.240 The weightlessness of an empty can
00:11:04.360 The way it goes through the air
00:11:05.660 Clatters and falls
00:11:07.640 And then like
00:11:08.500 If you go around a room and clear all the cans
00:11:11.460 Like you've done a lot
00:11:12.520 I remember someone saying like
00:11:13.760 They cleaned their room
00:11:15.180 Or like something about cleaning their room
00:11:16.500 Like all the pennies
00:11:17.260 And it was like
00:11:19.340 When you clean it to the point where you're actually going on the ground
00:11:21.840 And like picking up a random coin
00:11:23.860 Like those are often like the last to go
00:11:26.460 Like you're cleaning up like coins
00:11:28.820 You know what I mean
00:11:29.620 I used to always think about the hidden fortune in the world,
00:11:33.640 like they'll lose change hidden fortune.
00:11:35.700 Oh, my God.
00:11:36.480 God, I remember when I was a kid, I went over to a friend's house
00:11:38.700 and the friend asked the parent,
00:11:41.700 hey, if we go around and go under all the cushions
00:11:45.540 and find change, can we keep what we find?
00:11:50.300 And the dad was like, absolutely.
00:11:52.020 And then we spent the day in their couch cushions.
00:11:54.520 And the implication was I think that we were going to split the change.
00:11:57.140 Like, that was just what it was, even though it was clearly their households changed.
00:12:00.800 But it was kind of like, this was our activity for the day.
00:12:03.480 Like, yeah, you keep the change.
00:12:04.900 And so, like, we found it and then we split it.
00:12:07.100 How many couches does the family have?
00:12:08.740 How long?
00:12:09.160 An afternoon?
00:12:09.840 I know, I know.
00:12:10.360 I'm, like, saying, like, couches, couches.
00:12:12.040 But, like, you know, it's just whatever.
00:12:13.860 We did it and it was like, I went home with the money.
00:12:16.440 And then I think, like, I had to give it back because it was, like, too high a sum.
00:12:20.060 You know, like, I feel like the father called or something and was like, hey, so I heard from my daughter.
00:12:26.260 How much could you have found?
00:12:27.580 I know, like that you each went home with $14 or, you know what I mean, or whatever.
00:12:31.600 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:32.640 That would be a lot.
00:12:33.220 I kind of think if you're the parent in that scenario and you gave the go-ahead,
00:12:39.840 you have to stick by it and realize that you messed up.
00:12:43.080 Of course.
00:12:43.700 I just think to call me and shame me in that way, like I robbed from the family.
00:12:48.460 No, that's obscene.
00:12:50.000 Can you imagine the shame?
00:12:50.840 No, I simply cannot.
00:12:51.800 And I was thinking about, I had, this is definitely, I think, an only child thing,
00:12:57.240 but maybe it's more universal than that.
00:12:58.960 When you give something away, like I recently gave away a couple things to my cousins.
00:13:04.600 What did you give away?
00:13:05.340 Sorry.
00:13:05.720 I don't need this.
00:13:06.720 A couple of doubles of like some like products I had and things.
00:13:09.500 And I was like, here.
00:13:11.620 And then as soon as it touches their hands.
00:13:17.500 Grief, grief, grief.
00:13:18.900 and I'm like
00:13:20.880 and of course it passed
00:13:22.020 I'm fine
00:13:22.360 I'm fine today
00:13:23.020 but it is that thing
00:13:24.000 and also
00:13:25.060 oh yeah
00:13:26.020 I have an example
00:13:26.840 from youth
00:13:27.340 this happened to me
00:13:28.140 with a couple friends recently
00:13:29.320 and I was called out for it
00:13:30.620 and I appreciated it
00:13:31.420 my friend said
00:13:32.460 do you want my olive
00:13:33.140 it was like in her salad
00:13:34.000 and she held up
00:13:34.700 this big olive
00:13:35.280 and she said
00:13:35.620 do you want it
00:13:36.180 and I said no
00:13:37.340 and then
00:13:39.000 another friend said
00:13:41.520 I'll take it
00:13:43.300 and then I wanted it
00:13:44.940 another friend said it
00:13:46.540 another friend was like
00:13:47.400 oh I'll have it
00:13:48.420 And then I went, actually.
00:13:50.800 No, you said actually.
00:13:51.920 And I could only do this among like truly people I really love and I'm comfortable with.
00:13:55.500 Of course.
00:13:55.940 But I was like, actually, I do want it or something.
00:13:57.620 No.
00:13:58.020 And I don't know if it actually got in my mouth.
00:14:00.280 But of course, like someone else was like, yeah, you only want it because like they wanted it or something.
00:14:05.860 And I was like.
00:14:06.960 And you took it?
00:14:07.920 No, no, no.
00:14:08.580 There's no way I did.
00:14:09.720 How could they have let me?
00:14:10.720 But it was true.
00:14:11.880 Like I didn't want it.
00:14:12.640 And then as soon as someone else wanted the olive.
00:14:15.700 Cleaned it. 0.99
00:14:16.000 I mean, this tale is old as fucking time. 0.98
00:14:17.800 there's nothing to even unpack there the psychology is clear there is wait hold on let me take a 0.96
00:14:22.200 minute with this with the pickle the olive etc one of the great joys of my life is um by the way
00:14:28.040 someone asked me at at the merch table if my part two two poo three poo kags came up
00:14:32.460 we have a dispute between two of us they're like is your partner's name rick or chris
00:14:38.700 and i was like you know chris and then like like one of them screamed you know i mean
00:14:44.660 Is that hysterical? 0.96
00:14:45.820 I can't wait to be on tour again and to see the hags. 0.87
00:14:48.300 I mean, I need it desperately. 0.99
00:14:49.460 Don't worry, folks.
00:14:50.220 I'm working on a show of my own.
00:14:52.460 By the way, guess what?
00:14:53.800 We got to go to break. 0.98
00:14:54.600 Are you fucking kidding? 0.98
00:14:55.420 Oh, yeah, we're 38 seconds away from my howler app. 0.99
00:14:58.180 Yeah, the olive.
00:14:59.700 But, yeah, I want to stay with the olive and the pickle.
00:15:01.780 The olive that could have been yours when you relinquished the olive.
00:15:05.680 Well, I remember once someone treated me to a meal and then, wait,
00:15:10.960 there was something before that you were talking about,
00:15:12.580 And I was like, I have the exact same, like I have a really close story about giving away something.
00:15:18.920 Oh, and regretting giving away.
00:15:20.220 We'll get that.
00:15:20.920 This is huge.
00:15:21.860 Oh, there goes the timer.
00:15:23.000 But anyway, the only reason I was bringing up Rick is because I always forget that he's not that into his pickles,
00:15:30.760 but we still get the sandwich, his with the pickles.
00:15:33.400 And then they get handed to me at some point during the meal.
00:15:35.540 And it's just, I forget every time they're coming.
00:15:37.840 I forget every time they're coming and then there they are.
00:15:39.700 They appear.
00:15:40.180 like in my little shake shack thing you know like the the lid is open yeah and then like they get
00:15:45.320 thrown into the top of the lid just extra pickles that's really nice okay let's go and we'll come
00:15:51.480 right back this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and
00:16:00.520 many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor anna trainer disappeared from a commune
00:16:07.900 It was hard to wrap your head around.
00:16:09.280 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.
00:16:12.900 So no, I am not your guru.
00:16:16.680 And back then, I lied to my parents.
00:16:19.320 I lied to police.
00:16:20.580 I lied to everybody.
00:16:21.360 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.
00:16:24.560 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,
00:16:27.220 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,
00:16:30.040 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.
00:16:33.400 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods
00:16:36.300 and not the obvious boyfriend?
00:16:37.900 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92
00:16:40.920 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90
00:16:43.940 Boom, boom. 0.97
00:16:45.260 This is The Red Weather.
00:16:48.260 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:16:58.960 Here I am drinking chamomile tea.
00:17:01.680 Are you serious?
00:17:02.980 Yeah.
00:17:03.500 Wow, I'm drinking my espresso over ice.
00:17:05.440 By the way, I have not quit Celsius.
00:17:06.660 I had coffee earlier.
00:17:07.360 I've not quit Celsius.
00:17:08.520 I can't stop.
00:17:09.600 I continue to worry.
00:17:10.860 I really think we have to switch you to matcha.
00:17:13.740 And listen, hey, I reached out to them.
00:17:15.600 They didn't get back.
00:17:16.960 Matcha Bar Company, this matcha canned matcha drink
00:17:21.160 that made me so high I was concerned.
00:17:26.280 I mean, it really made me feel like I had taken...
00:17:29.680 Wow, an upper?
00:17:30.380 It was on par with an Adderall with an espresso.
00:17:34.680 It was very intense.
00:17:36.800 And then a friend of mine said that they were at some event
00:17:38.600 where they were serving those and people were like flying off the handle
00:17:41.640 because the matcha was so strong.
00:17:43.460 That's hysterical.
00:17:45.180 Oh, my God.
00:17:46.480 I mean, the benefits are supposed to be...
00:17:47.560 I want to get it to you.
00:17:48.400 I want to get it to you because it's ceremonial grade matcha, I believe.
00:17:51.140 And also it's, you know, the health benefits of matcha cannot be overstated.
00:17:55.740 Right.
00:17:56.040 And of course the antioxidant content is...
00:17:58.580 Yeah.
00:17:58.800 And then you've got the energy from it.
00:18:01.600 We need to update our begging highlight.
00:18:03.820 I started a begging highlight on our...
00:18:05.860 Oh, we do have to update.
00:18:07.900 Do you have a top item right now that you're lusting after?
00:18:11.000 Oh, what was I lusting after?
00:18:13.600 Well, in general, activewear.
00:18:15.780 Like if we get some like Adam Selman activewear.
00:18:18.720 I don't know.
00:18:19.140 Like I saw it on Tracy and so I want it on me.
00:18:21.720 I actually, I panicked and bought some Adam Selman activewear
00:18:25.040 that was on sale at the beginning of the pandemic
00:18:26.640 when I was doing my Pilates.
00:18:28.340 Where was it on sale?
00:18:29.720 On like adamselman.com.
00:18:31.480 Oh, okay.
00:18:31.900 No, like on the website.
00:18:32.900 Do you know what Bandier is?
00:18:34.820 Yeah.
00:18:35.020 And is that how it's pronounced?
00:18:36.420 Two questions at once.
00:18:37.740 I have no idea.
00:18:38.700 I've only seen it written, but I know it's, you know,
00:18:40.700 phonetically you look at it and think bandier.
00:18:43.520 Well, I always assume French with any I-E-R.
00:18:47.060 Any I-E-R, I assume French.
00:18:48.700 And I just think paniers, like the things that go on the side of a bike.
00:18:53.960 Wait, I'm just trying to think, what am I lusting after massively?
00:18:57.620 Oh, well, I'm like, I kind of want something that's going to,
00:19:01.980 I kind of want some kind of like derma flash, like exfoliant thing.
00:19:06.620 You know what I mean?
00:19:07.460 Because they rejected us.
00:19:08.540 It's Monday.
00:19:09.140 I get to call my dermatologist and talk about getting my clear and brilliant laser.
00:19:12.860 Oh, wow.
00:19:13.680 Also, you'll notice I'm talking about it constantly on POOG because it will be tax deductible.
00:19:17.860 Well, that's the question.
00:19:20.140 How could there be a question?
00:19:21.840 Well, I know you sent me a text and I was afraid to burst your bubble because you were just like,
00:19:26.140 you were just like, let's get clear and brilliant.
00:19:29.700 It's tax deductible because of POOG, honey.
00:19:31.980 And I was like, well, there's, like, some weird, it's not always quite as simple as, for one, 100% is not always the thing.
00:19:39.700 I'm always like, oh, like, this is tax deductible because whatever I'm on the road, it's like, actually, you get a 10%, you know, whatever.
00:19:48.340 It's going on the business card.
00:19:49.740 I don't care what anyone says.
00:19:52.240 Well, yeah, I mean, certainly go for it.
00:19:54.160 I wish it was, like, I don't know, it's exhausting.
00:19:56.440 It's exhausting to even imagine.
00:19:58.480 But, yeah, I'm interested in getting it, and I wonder if we get it together somehow.
00:20:01.740 What if like hell broke loose and we both got scarred by the same person
00:20:05.160 in the same treatment by the same doctor?
00:20:07.820 Side-by-side tables, the doctor just going between our faces.
00:20:11.260 Because a lot of like spa experiences, like they'll offer this couples version
00:20:14.960 and I'm like, well, that's the one I want to do with my friend.
00:20:17.340 Yeah.
00:20:17.900 But like is there going to be forced nudity?
00:20:20.220 I once got a couples massage with John Early.
00:20:22.620 Right.
00:20:23.820 And yes, there was nudity, but we were under the blankets.
00:20:28.260 Oh, I just had a dream about...
00:20:30.220 You know when you, like, the vulnerability of, you know when you're supposed to turn over in a massage?
00:20:34.160 Oh, of course.
00:20:35.220 And so they hold up, like, the towel, like, this kind of sheet.
00:20:37.920 And then turn their heads away, kind of a performative turn of the cheek.
00:20:43.800 And they, and then you sort of turn, it's just a, it's an odd sensation.
00:20:48.340 Now I just want to, oh, but giving something away.
00:20:50.420 Do you want to hear devastating?
00:20:51.420 I still yearn.
00:20:52.720 I still, I still mourn.
00:20:55.500 Okay.
00:20:55.780 So in first grade, we had this interesting teacher who had this, I don't know what you call it.
00:21:01.500 It was almost like in favor of show and tell.
00:21:03.920 There was like a little marketplace that occurred, which was like you bring something in and you auction it off to the classmates for these points.
00:21:13.680 Okay, this kind of currency.
00:21:15.940 There were these, you know, like a smiley red stamp that maybe a teacher would put on a thing.
00:21:20.040 So smileys, they were called smileys.
00:21:21.600 Okay, you got a little like index card with a smiley stamp on it.
00:21:25.780 And then it was like, you have 10 smileys.
00:21:28.380 And then it was like, it kept going.
00:21:29.300 So you get to the point where it's like thousands of smileys
00:21:31.000 and they could only note it like numerically.
00:21:32.960 Okay.
00:21:33.740 And it was like, oh, I'm up to like 10,000 smileys.
00:21:35.880 And you basically you could like,
00:21:37.240 that was like a currency in the classroom.
00:21:38.740 If you got to a certain amount,
00:21:39.880 the teacher would like take you to the cafeteria
00:21:41.320 and you get an ice cream bar.
00:21:44.260 And so like, but the hunger for this imaginary like currency,
00:21:48.300 which you could use to pay for other people's stuff.
00:21:51.000 Is that not the, that's the human state.
00:21:53.140 I mean, that is exactly,
00:21:54.220 we were talking about things fall apart earlier.
00:21:55.780 I mean, that is it.
00:21:56.960 Kama, Chotron.
00:21:57.960 It's all illusion.
00:21:59.180 But anyway, I just have to, I want to get into that, okay?
00:22:01.420 The thematic, much more important.
00:22:02.840 I just want to say what I lost.
00:22:04.020 So I got excited by the prospect of, I mean, you get hungry for that, right? 0.99
00:22:08.980 And so you go in and I brought in my goddamn popple. 0.99
00:22:10.980 You know what a popple is? 1.00
00:22:12.060 No.
00:22:13.060 Oh, it's fabulous.
00:22:13.840 It's a real like kind of like 80s toy, stuffed animal.
00:22:18.060 And when it's wrapped up, like when it's in its one form, it's a ball, okay?
00:22:22.100 Then you flip like an eyelid.
00:22:24.000 You flip around and a little bear, okay, emerges.
00:22:27.480 Cute.
00:22:27.840 Okay, but then you can roll it up into a ball and they're called popples.
00:22:30.460 And there was this one I had and it was the – they had different color schemes.
00:22:34.120 And the one I had was like white and then a couple like pinks, blues.
00:22:37.840 It was just – I just adored it.
00:22:39.700 But I got suckered into the mentality of the auction and I went in there.
00:22:44.040 I think it was that.
00:22:45.340 No, it's worse.
00:22:46.400 No, I did that.
00:22:47.440 I auctioned off that.
00:22:48.480 And then I also auctioned off this little mouse, this little red woolen mouse.
00:22:52.840 the regret I felt when my friend gave it to her sibling as a Christmas gift that year,
00:23:01.680 having gotten it. And I've like yearned for years. And, um, oh my God, I went to the American
00:23:07.800 Girl star, which, which, you know, say what you will mean something to me. It went, popped in
00:23:12.500 the other day and they had, yeah, just the other day I walked by. Just to check out the
00:23:17.320 Merchandise?
00:23:18.180 Well, yeah, of course. 0.95
00:23:19.500 You know, see if the Molly doll has been ushered to the side.
00:23:23.680 The historical dolls have been, whatever.
00:23:25.840 Anyway, but there was an American Girl Airlines kit, okay?
00:23:30.620 And they had this full furniture.
00:23:31.900 And you're not going to believe it.
00:23:32.420 It was first class.
00:23:33.460 It was a full pod.
00:23:35.520 First class cabin.
00:23:36.560 I would kill to see that.
00:23:38.200 I mean, miniatures are just endlessly seductive.
00:23:41.100 Yes.
00:23:41.320 And they had, you know, the little remote, like some planes, like it's like wired, but
00:23:45.440 it's a remote for a screen.
00:23:47.320 I used it the other night.
00:23:49.020 They had that.
00:23:49.800 Okay, really?
00:23:50.640 Yeah.
00:23:51.000 Flying first?
00:23:51.440 Again, for work, flying first, yeah.
00:23:53.200 Oh, my God.
00:23:53.880 How was it?
00:23:54.980 Oh, my God.
00:23:55.760 I mean, when I...
00:23:56.560 Okay, first of all, I got on the plane, and I always forget.
00:23:59.100 There's like Delta One, which is like when you get the full...
00:24:01.560 There's like the full pod.
00:24:02.820 Everyone has their own little baby room.
00:24:04.120 Oh, okay.
00:24:04.880 But then business is one behind that, and then you're like pods side by side.
00:24:08.560 Still through the roof.
00:24:09.640 Incredible. 1.00
00:24:09.840 Still a damn pod, right? 1.00
00:24:10.760 So I walked by the single pods, and I went, did I get fucked? 0.99
00:24:13.880 and then I arrive at my pod 0.96
00:24:17.400 okay so you were in business class
00:24:18.780 I was in business class
00:24:19.700 but you know
00:24:20.180 had the full pod
00:24:20.980 and um
00:24:22.060 oh wow
00:24:22.780 had the ravioli
00:24:23.380 was disappointed by the ravioli
00:24:25.040 the food really was not good
00:24:27.080 I mean
00:24:27.480 JetBlue Mint is my
00:24:28.700 JetBlue Mint is
00:24:30.000 in my opinion
00:24:30.760 the gold standard
00:24:31.860 of first class
00:24:32.940 I'm trying to think
00:24:34.080 if I've ever flown
00:24:34.800 I mean
00:24:35.540 I must
00:24:36.180 no that's not what I mean
00:24:37.580 I must have sometime
00:24:39.220 but I'm like
00:24:39.820 I feel like
00:24:40.680 there's something about mint
00:24:43.040 they have a little kit, right?
00:24:44.720 Oh, they have a kit, all right.
00:24:46.520 And the food's good.
00:24:47.400 But I, for the first time in my adult life,
00:24:49.620 pressed the flight attendant help button,
00:24:51.140 which I've always been like,
00:24:52.420 what animal does that, you know?
00:24:54.360 Yeah.
00:24:54.940 But my, when I got there,
00:24:57.240 my flight entertainment system wasn't working, Jacqueline.
00:24:59.960 It was loading, it was loading.
00:25:01.180 And I was like, no, it was a five hour flight
00:25:03.260 and I will be watching a film.
00:25:04.800 And then I pressed it, she came,
00:25:08.320 she reset it, everything was fine.
00:25:10.120 But it was to press the button
00:25:11.960 and to, it really was scary for me.
00:25:15.140 I felt that I should just wait
00:25:16.060 till I see her naturally.
00:25:17.520 It feels like hitting the-
00:25:18.720 Calling her over felt grotesque.
00:25:20.440 You know the bell on a retail desk,
00:25:23.680 like to slam the bell.
00:25:25.220 Hello.
00:25:25.980 Yeah.
00:25:27.400 Hello.
00:25:28.360 It's like-
00:25:29.240 And it's always somebody like emerges in the back
00:25:30.840 with like wax paper sandwich,
00:25:32.480 like they're on their break.
00:25:33.600 Oh, wow. 1.00
00:25:34.080 And you've interrupted them for your bullshit. 1.00
00:25:36.240 Or like a plastic container 1.00
00:25:36.760 full of like a shelled edamame peas,
00:25:41.400 It's like, see a very specific lunch.
00:25:44.640 Man in the pod next to me, fully asleep with no mask.
00:25:47.060 And I just had to let it go.
00:25:49.440 I know.
00:25:50.020 I mean, I just was like, okay.
00:25:52.560 I really have been soothed by the air circulation
00:25:54.800 in the cabin on airplanes.
00:25:57.100 New air every three minutes.
00:25:58.560 New air every three minutes.
00:25:59.500 I saw three minutes.
00:26:00.160 It's fresh.
00:26:00.880 I saw.
00:26:01.860 But you got to turn.
00:26:02.620 This is a really quick PSA.
00:26:04.120 Okay, what, you got to turn on the fan?
00:26:04.900 As soon as you get on the airplane,
00:26:06.320 you just sit there, you have to reach up
00:26:07.780 and you have to turn on the fan full blown.
00:26:09.640 Because it's not automatically on.
00:26:10.920 You need to feel air on your body for that circulation.
00:26:14.840 No, it's still circulating,
00:26:15.900 but that's just the best way to get the new air on you.
00:26:18.320 Right, right, right.
00:26:20.020 Well, you know what I thought was kind of charming?
00:26:21.940 I saw at the airport, at one of the gates,
00:26:25.420 they had a visual,
00:26:28.040 like they had a display of the HEPA filtration system
00:26:32.080 and how it operates.
00:26:33.100 Like this is what happens in the vent.
00:26:34.940 I know.
00:26:35.500 I might have taken a picture.
00:26:36.440 I was quite pleased.
00:26:37.180 I was like, yeah, like show me those like filters.
00:26:39.340 You know what I mean?
00:26:39.960 It was really satisfying.
00:26:40.800 the redundancy of the layers of the...
00:26:43.320 Yeah, so I actually do feel pretty safe
00:26:45.240 on the plane in that sense.
00:26:46.760 I do really enjoy...
00:26:48.860 There's something about the thrill.
00:26:50.860 I just...
00:26:51.520 To get served airline food,
00:26:53.740 I just...
00:26:54.440 I find it so goddamn thrilling,
00:26:56.340 the experience. 0.88
00:26:57.260 Well, talk about coziness.
00:26:59.300 Yeah.
00:26:59.580 When they come down with the tray...
00:27:01.180 My God.
00:27:01.920 I mean, I don't even care what's on the tray.
00:27:03.380 You know, it's just...
00:27:03.980 Exactly.
00:27:04.240 It's so exciting.
00:27:04.780 And by the way,
00:27:05.440 there I was tucked in,
00:27:06.920 like a little...
00:27:07.960 I had my blanket up to my chin, right?
00:27:10.800 I had like, I was fully reclined
00:27:12.780 and then I'm watching a movie 0.97
00:27:14.320 and then here she comes. 1.00
00:27:16.300 Oh my God.
00:27:16.880 I mean, it's just,
00:27:18.180 I guess who ordered a hard seltzer?
00:27:19.560 I almost never drink on a plane.
00:27:21.600 Yes.
00:27:22.260 I ordered a hard seltzer.
00:27:23.320 I ordered, I tried a truly
00:27:24.380 because now hard seltzer
00:27:25.300 is such a huge part of my life.
00:27:27.080 Oh my God.
00:27:28.000 Is it, and it's free in first, right?
00:27:29.840 Or was it, is it free in business class?
00:27:32.140 Yes.
00:27:32.920 Oh my God.
00:27:33.680 Oh honey, it's all free.
00:27:34.820 I feel like business class slipped away.
00:27:36.940 I feel like business class slipped away.
00:27:39.320 To me, business class is essentially first.
00:27:41.980 Well, that's me too.
00:27:43.080 And so I'm very confused.
00:27:44.580 Like when you, I started searching.
00:27:46.200 Did I tell you about wide body versus narrow body?
00:27:48.200 I've made it to gold medallion on Delta.
00:27:49.020 Sorry, keep going.
00:27:49.720 Do you only fly Delta or do you aim to fly?
00:27:51.680 Oh no, you said you like JetBlue.
00:27:52.980 Yes, but because this is like, you know, being flown for work,
00:27:57.940 I sometimes don't have the choice.
00:27:59.900 You know, it's like what are the days?
00:28:01.620 But I personally, Delta is, I guess, the airline to which I am most loyal.
00:28:06.220 And I'll say it again, I have reached gold medallion status.
00:28:08.980 Okay.
00:28:09.500 So maybe, now does that have to do,
00:28:11.680 do you need like a credit card that's like Delta?
00:28:14.000 No, I don't have a Delta credit card.
00:28:15.140 Okay. 1.00
00:28:15.640 Fuck, I need status. 1.00
00:28:16.840 I'm humiliated. 1.00
00:28:17.180 Don't even talk to me about it.
00:28:18.280 But then I start to, this is where my eyes go.
00:28:20.220 Okay.
00:28:20.720 Where I just go.
00:28:21.580 About credit card and points or whatever?
00:28:22.660 About points and about miles.
00:28:24.300 And I mean, I have miles, but,
00:28:25.820 and I did use my miles.
00:28:28.320 Okay.
00:28:28.680 I think I'm actually going to take us off course.
00:28:30.500 I think we've gone too far.
00:28:31.880 I think this is too.
00:28:33.120 I know, but I know what you mean.
00:28:35.280 Like, I just want to say I lost,
00:28:37.020 maybe this is more thematically,
00:28:38.020 notion-based, but I lost
00:28:40.340 three and a half hours minimum
00:28:42.180 to trying to choose
00:28:44.600 an airline and a seat.
00:28:46.800 Huge OCD trigger for me
00:28:48.400 is choose airplanes.
00:28:50.480 Seatguru.com or whatever.
00:28:52.420 And the points guy.
00:28:54.000 And then if you search via kayak
00:28:55.940 for a flight, they let you
00:28:58.420 click on wide-body
00:29:00.160 jet only, no
00:29:02.320 narrow-body jet.
00:29:04.000 So now I'm reading about
00:29:06.120 A321 and A321T. These are, these are two versions of this particular wide body jet. And one of them
00:29:14.240 is like, you get like this like amazing pod if you like, you know, spring for first or whatever,
00:29:19.360 and then spring for, and then, and then they're like, but then the A321 regular, like, isn't that?
00:29:25.800 And I was like, the level of research I was doing to try to figure out like what the seats were
00:29:29.980 going to look like and which seat I should choose. And they're like, this one is good,
00:29:33.240 but actually it's not
00:29:34.440 because even though it seems like
00:29:35.500 it's the even more space one
00:29:36.440 like you don't have any foot space
00:29:38.020 because there's like the wing
00:29:39.400 you know what I mean
00:29:40.520 I mean the endless choice
00:29:43.020 that's just even hearing that makes my heart race
00:29:45.000 that's when I can lose a full afternoon and spiral
00:29:47.040 when you're paying
00:29:48.020 this is what it is
00:29:48.880 when you decide to go for it
00:29:50.960 this is the problem for me
00:29:51.880 if I'm just getting a plane ticket
00:29:53.740 I don't think about anything right
00:29:55.620 it's like you show up and it is what it is
00:29:57.240 I go for the cheapest one
00:29:58.300 if you decide to spring
00:29:59.560 if you go I'm going to treat myself right
00:30:01.960 Then the fear becomes, well, I don't want to pay through the nose
00:30:06.020 and then be disappointed.
00:30:07.940 Imagine you just spring for first and you show up.
00:30:10.800 Like, I kind of had that where I was like, this seems like a cheap first.
00:30:14.800 Like, I was like, this must be some kind of error.
00:30:16.860 And I showed up and it was because it was a narrow-bodied jet.
00:30:19.760 There was nothing about it that was glamorous.
00:30:22.180 That's why it was cheap.
00:30:23.020 No, of course.
00:30:23.820 You can't just, no.
00:30:25.420 This one guy said First Class on United is soulless.
00:30:28.080 This one guy in his review, he's like, it was soulless.
00:30:31.560 I feel terrible.
00:30:34.320 I know we're in the weeds, but I think it's gorgeous.
00:30:37.560 I want to talk about something about when we go to break, which is,
00:30:40.500 we still have a minute 18.
00:30:41.840 Okay, apologies.
00:30:42.680 According to the timer.
00:30:44.620 That you and me go like, and we come right back.
00:30:46.340 Because you and me have this fear that even though we're just sitting here
00:30:48.960 and we start immediately, we do not have to wait for,
00:30:51.580 you and me do not have to wait for the commercial to elapse, right?
00:30:54.040 No.
00:30:54.340 To keep recording.
00:30:55.080 But you and me, I feel like, still feel like the break is going to be long somehow.
00:30:58.220 like we're we psychically and that's where we're like okay we'll just come right back
00:31:01.740 we comfort each other it's hysterical anyway so much to say making a quick note oh i want to talk
00:31:07.700 about being nauseous from hunger and what's going on there oh yeah and daylight savings all right
00:31:11.720 let's let's come back we'll come right back okay i'll have to break
00:31:14.220 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a
00:31:24.440 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune
00:31:31.160 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs no i am not your
00:31:38.160 guru and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to everybody there were years
00:31:45.800 right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back to my hometown in northern california
00:31:50.380 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out
00:31:55.240 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods
00:31:59.600 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of
00:32:05.260 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00
00:32:12.720 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
00:32:20.380 we're back daylight savings always haunts me i don't believe in it i don't or you know i just
00:32:27.980 don't i've been mocked i've been it confuses me always revealing that it that it affects me
00:32:33.480 it affects me too by the way i've heard of this from my mother my mother my whole life
00:32:37.680 remember to set your clock forward remember to set your clock back while we're springing forward
00:32:41.160 tomorrow we're falling back it's like that's such a chorus in my mind if like my mother
00:32:44.780 alerting me to it and I've always
00:32:46.880 and perhaps in a
00:32:48.460 way that one can be cruel only to one's mother
00:32:50.940 you know I've kind of maybe snapped back
00:32:53.220 I have a cell phone like it just changes
00:32:54.640 I don't have to go in there and crank the dial
00:32:57.320 my dad's like a week out
00:32:58.300 my dad is like
00:32:59.680 he's like
00:33:02.180 don't forget
00:33:04.000 the cruelty mothers endure 1.00
00:33:06.260 I'm such a fucking little bitch 1.00
00:33:08.240 I don't want to pretend that 1.00
00:33:10.040 I'm not cruel to my mother
00:33:11.980 but it's like the way that one
00:33:14.740 can regress this is always something i've experienced which was i remember someone a
00:33:19.440 woman that only had sons okay poor thing heard me kind of like not bickering but you know like
00:33:26.200 whatever like daughter mother kind of stuff that to me doesn't feel like anything at all it's like
00:33:30.760 totally like normal like it's not like no one's upset like it's just like like me being mom you
00:33:36.000 know what i mean it's like totally normal and like she was like like this mother of sons only was 0.99
00:33:40.120 like wow like i can't believe she talks to you that way it's kind of like fuck you first of all 1.00
00:33:44.920 like fuck you and your little your little romance with your sons your mother-son romance oh don't 1.00
00:33:49.420 even get me started on that romance and also like oh fuck you also like or are you just jealous of 1.00
00:33:55.240 what comes with having a daughter so there's like an intimacy like right we like when we when we 1.00
00:34:00.600 hurt when we hurt each other it hurts when we cut each other it hurts you can't hurt your son
00:34:06.720 Do you know what I mean?
00:34:07.320 I mean, how dare I?
00:34:08.820 Of course you can't.
00:34:09.880 But I just mean like there's,
00:34:11.440 oh, I could do a full season
00:34:13.800 on mother-son relationships,
00:34:16.440 mother-daughter relationships.
00:34:17.620 I mean, it's, oh, it's just endless.
00:34:19.680 It's endless.
00:34:20.080 No, it was like, yeah,
00:34:21.360 you and your like, your little like,
00:34:23.260 you know, the ease that often comes
00:34:25.940 with that relationship
00:34:27.620 and like sort of like the respect,
00:34:28.960 the sons who are respectful of mother
00:34:30.740 and that whole thing.
00:34:31.700 And like, there is no rub.
00:34:33.420 There is no like, you know,
00:34:34.620 I just like
00:34:35.740 I was like
00:34:36.140 you don't understand
00:34:37.020 what this is
00:34:37.540 like me and my mother
00:34:38.160 are fine
00:34:38.680 how dare you
00:34:39.300 of course
00:34:39.640 this is not an emergency
00:34:40.760 this is not abuse
00:34:42.700 yeah yeah
00:34:44.020 it's just
00:34:44.600 everyone
00:34:45.720 well conflict is
00:34:46.640 there's such intimacy
00:34:47.480 and conflict
00:34:47.980 I mean
00:34:48.340 you know
00:34:49.140 when you can actually
00:34:50.100 get mad at someone
00:34:50.900 that's truly profound
00:34:52.480 that's beautiful
00:34:53.320 like that's
00:34:54.120 some people
00:34:54.880 never allow themselves
00:34:56.020 to get mad at the people
00:34:56.880 closest to them
00:34:57.540 and they never allow
00:34:58.280 conflict to arise
00:34:59.120 and I say that
00:35:00.300 as someone who's also
00:35:00.980 had that happen
00:35:01.600 in my own life
00:35:02.120 like it's like
00:35:02.620 I mean I've never been
00:35:03.700 I've never been able to be mad at my father, for example. 1.00
00:35:07.720 Like I've never been able to be like, fuck you. 1.00
00:35:11.720 Or like, that hurt. 1.00
00:35:13.800 Like, no.
00:35:14.440 Like my mother, I can be like, and I'm close with my dad,
00:35:16.760 but my mother, I can be like.
00:35:17.980 It's a different thing, yeah.
00:35:18.760 You know what?
00:35:19.180 Or like, I can't talk about this right now.
00:35:20.860 Like you're stressing me out with this.
00:35:22.060 Or like, I really felt your judgment with that.
00:35:24.400 When you said it like that, I really felt your judgment
00:35:25.820 and that was hard, you know?
00:35:27.060 Oh my God, totally.
00:35:28.500 If you can get mad at someone,
00:35:29.800 then there's actual closeness there.
00:35:31.640 in the absence of that there's what is it your your strangers bumping up against each other at
00:35:37.400 a nordstrom rack no i absolutely uh often defend like if i'm sort of like seemingly arguing with
00:35:47.280 my parents or something i'm like no that's because i'm really close with them like i have not written
00:35:52.400 them off like the way some people i almost feel like write their parents off like from teenage
00:35:57.100 hood on where they're like, I don't like, no, there's no real community. And some people have
00:36:01.600 to, and I respect that. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, no, I cannot have a real relationship
00:36:04.920 with you people. Like I'm never going to like, I don't like my closeness, so to speak with my
00:36:09.920 parents means like, I'm never like rolling my eyes about them, like behind their back. Like
00:36:13.840 that's, I'm like, no, they're real people to me. And so like, I get into it with them. You know
00:36:17.960 what I mean? Like, and that's why I must preserve their health to a point. I mean, it's just,
00:36:26.180 it's exhausting i just cannot or you know it's just i i hate that they're not the same age as 0.97
00:36:31.440 me it fucking sucks it sucks so fucking bad i mean it's it's like it's the thing right about 0.97
00:36:37.880 if the gender i mean yeah it's just whatever we or i have to like seriously up my spiritual game 0.99
00:36:43.460 so that like i'm a medium and anyone who oh yeah perishes before me will have a direct line we
00:36:49.620 definitely have to do that i mean i know i'm humiliated for us athletic greens yeah i'm
00:36:55.260 humiliated for us that we haven't actually mastered both astral projection and lucid dreaming yet
00:37:00.560 i know as a lucid dreaming has to oh and meanwhile the astral is even more exciting for me i had an
00:37:06.360 interesting thing that i feel like you'll relate to the other night in my dream i was and i was
00:37:11.820 partially lucid i was like what i'm dreaming and i was in this house that i've been in before
00:37:17.180 in my dreams that's okay this it's finally happening for you okay we've talked about this
00:37:22.480 Because I felt, no, no.
00:37:23.700 I mean, we've talked about that that's how I dream.
00:37:26.580 And I felt like you were like, whoa,
00:37:28.220 that there are places that only exist in my dreams
00:37:30.300 and that I return to.
00:37:32.140 Jacqueline, this was, I've never had this experience
00:37:34.500 where it was partially lucid and I was like,
00:37:36.700 I have been to this house.
00:37:38.400 And what it is, is this like incredible
00:37:41.120 kind of brownstone in New York.
00:37:44.040 And there's this apartment
00:37:45.040 that I can potentially rent or something.
00:37:48.760 and it's like, I can almost draw it.
00:37:52.900 It's really amazing.
00:37:54.680 And then there's this back
00:37:55.520 and then the outside though, like, is it New York?
00:37:58.620 It's like, okay, but it's this place I've been to
00:38:01.620 and I was in the dream.
00:38:02.660 I went, oh my God, I've been here before.
00:38:04.020 Like this is this dream house.
00:38:05.160 This is this place that I visit.
00:38:07.300 No, you know, it just reminded me where you said that
00:38:09.160 because it's an ongoing sort of recurring
00:38:11.860 little anxiety dream that I have.
00:38:14.020 It's like this in my other life, the dream life
00:38:15.880 that is just a fact, which is that in that world,
00:38:18.760 I never cleared out like my previous apartment from one year in college, okay?
00:38:23.620 And I haven't signed up like to get housing for the next year.
00:38:28.040 Yeah.
00:38:28.320 And so I know that I'm like possibly in some kind of major trouble 0.99
00:38:31.780 because I've left this room filled with my shit 0.98
00:38:34.720 and then I don't have a place to sleep for the next year. 0.98
00:38:39.580 And so I'm like looking around and then there's this one dorm
00:38:41.820 that has really low, low, low, low ceilings.
00:38:44.420 Like I mean like five foot, okay?
00:38:45.900 And everyone's like, I'm like, this is the only dorm that's left.
00:38:48.760 It's like everyone lays on a mat.
00:38:52.540 But it's this sneaking feeling of like, I don't know, whatever.
00:38:56.340 And there's that.
00:38:57.020 And then there's, as you know, the different comedy clubs that I like frequent and only in my dreams.
00:39:01.880 There's one that I always arrive at late.
00:39:04.040 Like I've never made it on time to the set.
00:39:05.440 Yeah, you have such a relationship with those dream locations.
00:39:07.840 It's weird.
00:39:08.540 And there's this one like mansion that like isn't mine.
00:39:10.860 But every time I visit, I'm like, I'm interested.
00:39:14.120 I'm wondering when can I just really move in?
00:39:16.160 Oh, and that reminds me of, like, there's this modern apartment, like, in this, like, I'd say, like, sub-14th Street kind of Union Square area that exists in my dream, and only there.
00:39:27.200 So it's like, I don't know.
00:39:29.320 It's something.
00:39:30.200 But I really want to get serious about astral projection.
00:39:32.600 There are people leaving their body at night, soaring around the world.
00:39:35.080 Okay.
00:39:36.060 Visiting the pyramids, visiting each other.
00:39:38.560 I'm starting to feel like I got to do, like, a hard, like, I'm like, it's time to do ayahuasca or something. 0.99
00:39:44.540 But, you know, is this just, you know, it's bullshit. 0.98
00:39:47.260 Am I just seeking, you know, it's more addiction, as Pima would say, as Shodron would say. 0.99
00:39:51.820 Like, I'm just like, I'm searching for answers or something.
00:39:55.920 Right, you're looking for them fast and cheap.
00:39:57.860 The real psychedelic experience is to sit with yourself.
00:40:00.560 Right.
00:40:01.220 I mean, that's if you want to find God, you know. 0.99
00:40:03.960 No, you're looking to cut off your head. 0.98
00:40:06.080 Like, you're looking for a swift, violent, like... 1.00
00:40:08.240 Yeah, I want to cut off the head a little bit. 1.00
00:40:09.800 Yeah. And, and I mean, I hate that fact that often the work one needs to do is, is the very mundane. I hate that. I want it to be interesting. You know what I mean? Like I want to solve it. 0.90
00:40:22.320 I'm kind of like, I need to, I really do think it will, I will feel that getting rid of a lot of these possessions. And it's true. It's the carry water, chop wood thing. It's real.
00:40:31.960 Yeah, but I think you can trick yourself a little bit
00:40:35.860 by like ritualizing it and like making it magic.
00:40:39.540 Because like I was reading this alchemy book
00:40:42.000 and they get into like correspondences, you know, 1.00
00:40:45.340 like this is a really stupid example, 0.97
00:40:48.100 but like colors to numbers might be a specific correspondence, right? 0.98
00:40:52.140 Or like symbol, whatever, just these different correspondences.
00:40:54.780 And then so like I get into these things like,
00:40:56.640 okay, I'm going to clean this room.
00:40:57.840 But right now I'm making this room into a symbolic representation
00:41:01.760 of like for example like let's say you're like and this is like something i always think like
00:41:05.160 oh this would be the best way to clean my room every week or like clean my apartment and then
00:41:08.480 i forget to do it but it's like okay i'm gonna imagine that all the mess in this room is my mind
00:41:13.500 okay yeah yeah or everything that's the mess is baggage or something i'm trying to let go
00:41:19.120 yeah and then you look around you make it that in your mind and then and you set that intention
00:41:25.360 like for your subconscious and then when you clean like to me how is that any different than like
00:41:30.940 a magical spell you've done it yeah you've done it again what you freed me i'm so excited like
00:41:36.420 i'm just like i'm like as i just can't wait you're right i think that's really powerful
00:41:40.880 yes it's just like it's about remembering i always have the best ideas for how to live and then
00:41:44.560 immediately forget you know what i mean well i'll remind you of this because when we finish when we
00:41:49.420 finish poog i'm going to i have some soup that i bought i'm gonna eat the mighty green soup from
00:41:56.320 Erewhon, the $16 jar of soup.
00:41:58.840 Whoa.
00:41:59.460 And then I'm going to, I mean, you don't eat the whole jar.
00:42:02.600 It's a huge amount of soup, but.
00:42:05.400 I've never had trouble getting soup down in any quantity.
00:42:09.000 I mean, that's, remember Hale and Hardy, et cetera, any soup place?
00:42:12.260 Uh-huh.
00:42:12.780 $9 for a thimble.
00:42:14.820 Ugh.
00:42:15.860 $14 for a thimble and a half.
00:42:18.000 No, this Erewhon soup is expensive.
00:42:18.820 Do you remember those tiny cups?
00:42:20.140 I never went to Hale and Hardy because I felt like everything was like too hearty.
00:42:23.420 Oh, that's so funny.
00:42:24.240 Well, the portions would make them not hearty.
00:42:27.740 You know, an inch cube of the heaviest food in the world can only be so heavy.
00:42:32.420 Oh, nauseous from hunger.
00:42:33.520 You know what I wanted to talk about?
00:42:34.440 I felt nauseous from hunger.
00:42:35.220 I always felt nauseous from hunger and I used to say it as a child.
00:42:38.020 Do you know that feeling when you wake up so hungry that you feel like you're going to throw up?
00:42:41.620 And it almost feels like a bubble rising in the throat for some reason to me is how I experienced it.
00:42:45.500 Like this pressure. 0.96
00:42:46.980 And no one ever knew what I goddamn meant. 0.96
00:42:48.600 And I was reading something because I've realized that I think it's the bacteria that love the sugar screaming. 0.96
00:42:55.900 Give us more.
00:42:56.920 I read something about like the bacteria from the sugar, like they scream from your abdomen.
00:43:01.240 I believe it.
00:43:02.540 Like the whole like microbiome of the digestive, the second brain,
00:43:06.380 the stomach being the second brain produces different chemicals, whatever.
00:43:09.220 More serotonin in the gut than the brain.
00:43:11.720 You and me, I love when like the adages, you know,
00:43:15.880 So these health-related adages, these trends that sort of slip in and it just kills me.
00:43:23.060 What was I going to say?
00:43:23.900 What was I going to say?
00:43:24.380 What do I got?
00:43:24.840 What do I got for you?
00:43:25.520 Do I got skincare?
00:43:26.240 Do I got skincare?
00:43:27.680 Do I got beauty?
00:43:28.260 Do I got working out?
00:43:29.280 Well, obviously, I've continued with Tracy.
00:43:30.700 That's not news to anybody.
00:43:32.760 Oh, I've started working out after shows.
00:43:34.480 Just want to let you know.
00:43:36.400 Astonishing.
00:43:36.920 I mean, I really admire.
00:43:38.060 I can't believe the life that you're leading is unreal.
00:43:41.940 Except, you know, last night my computer was out of space or something
00:43:45.160 and I couldn't video myself while doing my workout.
00:43:47.720 And I was like, it was the classic,
00:43:49.400 is it even happening without the data record?
00:43:52.780 You know what I mean?
00:43:53.580 And like, of course it is, but it's become like,
00:43:55.960 I don't know, it's the same thing as the mirror recognizing my own existence.
00:43:59.420 The mirror revelation was huge.
00:44:01.160 I'm going to, I think I might get my higher dose sauna blanket today.
00:44:04.660 Oh, wow.
00:44:06.040 And I'm going to get my heat healer when I get home
00:44:08.220 and we should try talking inside. 1.00
00:44:09.800 We once attempted to record a Poog episode from inside them
00:44:12.400 and you just got too relaxed. 0.99
00:44:14.040 Remember?
00:44:14.380 Oh, yeah.
00:44:14.740 I kind of dozed.
00:44:15.720 I kind of left the recording.
00:44:16.040 I mean, we could probably dig it out.
00:44:17.200 People might enjoy it now that they trust us.
00:44:19.200 Did we get to anything big?
00:44:20.500 I got to say, I've really been stunned here on the road 1.00
00:44:23.360 by the hag presence, okay? 1.00
00:44:25.820 And I feel like when I meet them,
00:44:27.340 I feel this needs a promise like you as well.
00:44:29.760 So I'm like, yeah,
00:44:31.480 Kate and I are definitely going to come to town together soon.
00:44:34.080 We are.
00:44:34.960 It's just a matter of time.
00:44:36.080 I just, I've been really blown away by them generally.
00:44:38.860 I got, I think it's Apostrophe, the sunscreen brand they sent us stuff.
00:44:43.200 Yes.
00:44:43.680 I like it.
00:44:44.520 They sent a bucket hat.
00:44:45.580 Did you, have you noticed that?
00:44:46.540 It's like a tie-dye bucket hat.
00:44:48.100 Yes.
00:44:48.420 It fits my head perfectly.
00:44:50.360 It does?
00:44:51.460 The brim isn't quite wide enough for me.
00:44:53.380 The brim is not super wide.
00:44:54.760 It's true.
00:44:55.120 But I was thinking I need a sun hat.
00:44:56.760 I need a proper sun hat because I like that bucket hat.
00:45:00.280 It fits my head, but I need more coverage.
00:45:02.380 It's true.
00:45:03.220 No, I know.
00:45:03.820 We need to really look into that.
00:45:05.220 So anybody here, we're sending out a call.
00:45:08.320 I'm formally sending out a call for a sun hat. 0.99
00:45:10.460 I need a hat that I wear, I guess, whenever I leave the goddamn house. 0.99
00:45:14.180 I mean, it's just... 0.98
00:45:14.900 And I've been panicking about sleeping on my back about...
00:45:17.540 I sleep on my side, right?
00:45:19.020 Yesterday morning, I brought out my camera
00:45:21.020 because I wanted to see...
00:45:22.060 I wanted to look in the mirror,
00:45:23.760 seeing the way my cheek was pressed against the folds,
00:45:28.080 the eye wrinkles that I was...
00:45:29.120 I was like, oh, no.
00:45:31.160 Like, it really put the fear of God in me.
00:45:33.300 I'm just thinking about...
00:45:34.320 I saw this account that was really all about, you know,
00:45:36.840 the beauty industry and the standards and and how and all the stuff which we can analyze and
00:45:41.460 you know like all the problems in the way the beauty industry has made us all think and it's
00:45:46.660 like yeah yeah yeah and the way that it's been it's recast beauty as wellness and that whole
00:45:51.080 thing and i'm like yep yep yep however i still can't help we know i still can't help like yes
00:45:56.680 i know i'm physicalizing and making tangible something that is not physical you know like 0.87
00:46:02.900 whatever emotional needs but i also think that's part of life on fucking earth in a body like is 0.66
00:46:09.000 engaging with the physical is engaging with them like meaningless sort of in that way do you know 0.50
00:46:13.920 what i mean like i used to think like nothing in the physical world can can save me like if i don't
00:46:18.800 work it out in my mind like and so i almost like didn't allow myself the like pleasure of giving a
00:46:24.340 shit about like i don't know objects you know what i mean yeah no the objects are huge the physical 0.78
00:46:29.240 world the body the world once again i stand behind kind of like i'm like don't you dare take away 0.97
00:46:35.320 the pleasure i get from obsessing and trying to win an unwinnable quest you know i'm just i know
00:46:42.120 i'm like reiterating the oh i'm sorry i've now displaced all existential horrors onto my home
00:46:48.440 i'm being like my new couch it's ready for it to be delivered you know i did it oh my god the new
00:46:53.800 couch the new setup yeah it's going to change everything wait but have we talked about the
00:46:57.280 couch because i mean you don't just say where you got it or or what it is but i'm thinking of hg
00:47:01.980 buttercup are you serious wow such an la i know it went there my friend has this couch and it's
00:47:07.700 just very simple it's comfortable it's chaise oat flax or is it flax linen that was the color of my
00:47:14.600 and i'm gonna get a blank to be clear my blanket oh for it and i'm just like no
00:47:20.200 it was key in new york it was key in new york actually we should we should they should advertise
00:47:26.180 on poog, borough.com slash poog doesn't exist yet, but I'm going to make sure it does because
00:47:30.720 the couch comes in these boxes. You can actually haul them up a stair. Do you remember Dr.
00:47:34.840 Couch? We got to go, but do you remember Dr. Couch in New York? They were a service that
00:47:38.380 would break a couch, like smash it with a hammer so they could get it up into your apartment
00:47:43.260 and then put it back together. And that reveals a hole in the marketplace. And Borough answered
00:47:48.740 it. It arrives in three boxes. And then the same, I just ordered a new bed. I'm really,
00:47:53.520 really excited because I've only had this Zinus, this Zinus wire, like, you know, like
00:48:00.600 knot bed, like just like the thing that, I don't even know, like a folding, not even
00:48:05.180 a box spring.
00:48:05.660 I just had like a folding metal thing that you stick a mattress on, right?
00:48:10.040 I think my mattress I've had for too long, which is kind of grotesque to me.
00:48:13.200 And I have had like house guests. 0.64
00:48:14.680 I'm like, oh, is everyone's like cum and sweat just soaked into my mattress?
00:48:19.080 Like, do I have to get a mattress?
00:48:20.480 But unfortunately, I like my mattress.
00:48:23.280 My bed is comfortable.
00:48:24.480 But I got a little creeped out last night.
00:48:26.480 One, plastic liner when you have guests.
00:48:28.560 Yeah.
00:48:29.240 Okay, you can hide it under layers of other things,
00:48:31.700 but they should all be washable.
00:48:33.740 You know what I'm saying?
00:48:34.880 Yeah.
00:48:35.060 But I ordered a new bed, and guess what?
00:48:36.240 Similar principle.
00:48:37.500 No tools.
00:48:38.720 It's through dovetail pieces sliding into each other
00:48:42.540 that it comes together.
00:48:43.860 So it's a no-tool situation.
00:48:45.160 I'm so excited.
00:48:46.120 Ooh, that is exciting.
00:48:47.660 Oh, it's called Thuma.
00:48:49.500 Again, just advertising freely, you know,
00:48:51.880 instead of waiting for the cash.
00:48:53.360 I really should have eaten before poo
00:48:54.740 because I'm starting to really experience agony in the head.
00:48:58.340 I think that's all we have for you people today, right?
00:49:00.480 We did it.
00:49:03.040 I think we did it.
00:49:04.080 I'm in a hotel.
00:49:04.780 You're back in LA.
00:49:05.600 You know, we're moving around the world.
00:49:07.160 I can't wait to see you.
00:49:07.920 Please get home soon.
00:49:09.040 Enough is enough.
00:49:09.520 We're going to go.
00:49:10.080 We're going to go.
00:49:11.140 We're going to eat maybe right up against one of those outdoor heaters
00:49:16.080 with a flame and a glass tube.
00:49:17.680 That's my favorite kind
00:49:18.420 because you don't feel like your hair is going to get trapped.
00:49:20.000 Oh, the conventional outdoor restaurant heating lamp,
00:49:23.160 constant visions of it being tipped over oil
00:49:25.120 all over my face and body.
00:49:27.680 Instant play.
00:49:28.820 Instant life, instant life ruiner.
00:49:31.440 Okay, well, I love you.
00:49:32.980 I love you too.
00:49:33.840 Bye.
00:49:34.440 Bye.
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