Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - REMIX： Surrendering to the Healer

00:00:00.920 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:00:02.340 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:00:03.440 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:00:08.160 Two untameable intellects.

00:00:09.940 This is our hobby. 0.93

00:00:10.780 This is our hell.

00:00:11.640 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:00:13.960 This is POOG.

00:00:21.220 You know what I want to do?

00:00:22.420 And I have a couple of phone numbers that I've been given.

00:00:24.300 And I'd be curious to talk about it with you and our listeners.

00:00:27.160 some energy body work thoughts, some energy healing. Well, yeah, I mean, but it was usually

00:00:33.160 energy healing is technically not manipulation, like physical manipulation of tissue, right?

00:00:38.440 You're having a fan. I know what you're fantasizing about. I know what you want. I know

00:00:41.560 exactly what you want. You want the thing we saw on the goop show. Okay. I want to be writhing on

00:00:46.300 a table. Yeah. I want to be worried. No, I wasn't even going to the Betty Dodson episode. I was 0.93

00:00:51.500 going to the, that healer guy. Neither was I, I was talking about just the, the arch back,

00:00:55.760 the like the arch the possession the exorcism yeah the exorcism yeah yeah that sounds cool to

00:01:01.160 me i'd be curious to see what comes out and you start writhing against your will yes or you know

00:01:07.440 or i mean obviously that's the laugh is it would be against your will just as you hoped or whatever

00:01:12.420 you know like oh good i feel my back arching like but but yeah

00:01:16.400 I did meet a, I guess like a chakra healer, a energy intuitive body worker. I think she has

00:01:29.860 different, I don't know, different modes of classification. I'd never done it before,

00:01:33.320 but it was pretty wild. And I have to say, you know, I sat down and she was like, what's going

00:01:40.360 on? I kind of gave her the general, like kind of like the headlines. And she was like, wow.

00:01:44.520 And then she was like looking at me and she was like, and she said to me, she goes, I actually

00:01:48.000 can't see her heart chakra. Oh my God. Did I tell you that? She was like, like you're hiding. She

00:01:53.020 was like moving her hands around me. And she was like, huh. And then she was like, you're, 0.82

00:01:57.740 it was like kind of crazy. And then she put me on the table. When I tell you, she barely touched

00:02:03.100 me. I was like laying down. She had her hands around my ankles and she was kind of just there.

00:02:07.080 And for the first like 20 minutes, I just had my eyes closed and was kind of like, not really,

00:02:11.900 i don't know i just was like i'm gonna surrender to this and i'm just gonna kind of let my mind

00:02:15.680 wander and then around maybe 30 minutes or 40 minutes and i don't even know i swear to god i

00:02:21.120 started to feel absolute like i felt like i was almost lifting off the table and i had the impulse

00:02:26.320 to ask her to stop that's because it was so i was like whoa whoa whoa whoa and then i calmed myself

00:02:31.540 down i was like you're laying on a table someone's barely touching you like nothing's happening per

00:02:35.480 say you're safe but i felt a transference of energy i felt my chakra getting more rooted

00:02:42.320 or whatever it's not even the language i don't know the language of chakras but she no it can

00:02:46.660 be but um but she uh it was really it was cool and also it just felt good and this goes back to

00:02:51.900 all of these kinds of healing modalities of just a witness like yeah that's why therapists can be

00:02:57.300 powerful or anyone but we need more than that because there are things that talk therapy just

00:03:00.900 can't reach it's like truly like i think if right now i would if you were to lay down on the floor

00:03:05.780 and i were to come just have my hands on you for like an hour and breathe yes you would have a full

00:03:12.300 transformation it would be significant and it would yes like we can be infinitely bigger

00:03:17.940 and you know when i went to see that healer i gotta go back she told me my solar plexus chakra

00:03:29.020 I was like something was up and I was looking at what that is and one of the things is like

00:03:32.440 I was telling my mother oh I know all about it and like anger is in there and my mom was like

00:03:37.000 you are angry you've been angry since you were three or something like I have this

00:03:40.680 well yeah that's like when I first went to therapy when I was truly like four or five

00:03:45.280 because I was like oh right yeah fuming furious yeah I felt robbed since birth as you say I was

00:03:52.320 fuming fuming fuming and like the only response to coming in coming down to life on earth frankly

00:04:00.360 let's get real what it is supposed to be instant joy revelation no but me four with as much hair

00:04:06.020 on my head as i have now just like just like yeah i wasn't like angry i didn't have an anger problem

00:04:10.920 the way of like i wasn't violent or anything i just had like yeah simmering low like classic

00:04:17.340 female keeping it in and i do feel that i am wound a bit tight sometimes and so i don't know

00:04:24.280 we'll see maybe this little what they say about your solar solar plexus chakra so that's this

00:04:28.700 sounds like third chakra it's related to a lot of stuff but one of the things was like

00:04:33.120 it talked about but specifically to yours you know like softness yeah to mine and i something

00:04:40.500 about like there's a you know a bunch of things that are related to it but one of the signs i

00:04:47.240 just was looking it up was like hardness or like well and listeners may have caught me like

00:04:53.480 just like three times in a row be like no i know exactly everything about this i'm asking what they

00:04:59.240 said about yours because i want to i want to i'll dump up everything i know supposedly about the

00:05:03.700 third chakra about the solar what did they say what did the healer say about yours and then we'll

00:05:08.040 go from there they just said they said oh you're it's not spinning the right way or something she

00:05:12.300 just well she i mean it was wild when i was there she was like i can't even see your heart chakra

00:05:16.380 because you're so guarded or something she was like she was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa no it 0.69

00:05:22.200 wasn't about guardedness it was about i don't i don't fucking know i paid her but then she um 0.70

00:05:27.880 she also brought she did say but i think i touched one of the sun poop i had a crazy experience where 0.89

00:05:33.100 i was like laying on the table it was like touching my ankles and your hands off me and

00:05:36.320 she wasn't touching you yeah i almost had to scream stop because i felt like i was levitating

00:05:39.900 off the table um and then i was like don't scream like you're just laying here it's fine

00:05:44.600 She wanted to bring me back into my feet.

00:05:46.120 She said I was all in the head and I had to grow.

00:05:48.960 I had to grow. 1.00

00:05:56.580 By the way, I want to say some sweet hags came to my show, gave me a list of body work 1.00

00:05:59.980 recommendations. 1.00

00:06:00.820 Oh my God.

00:06:01.180 That's very sweet.

00:06:01.840 A few people did.

00:06:03.200 She's laying hands on me. 1.00

00:06:04.380 She's doing this amazing massage.

00:06:05.380 And then just periodically she's like lay hands on me and she's like breathing.

00:06:08.700 I'm like, yep.

00:06:09.320 You're like, there it is.

00:06:10.060 She located this tension that I had and she, I was like, wow, I didn't even know I had

00:06:15.160 tension there.

00:06:16.240 Which plane?

00:06:16.840 She looks at me and she goes, you're holding onto something for dear life in your hips.

00:06:22.100 Oh my God.

00:06:23.820 And floodgates opened.

00:06:26.000 Can you believe?

00:06:27.040 Tears or.

00:06:28.080 Yeah.

00:06:28.760 Or spasmodic movement of the pelvis.

00:06:30.960 I've seen that.

00:06:31.920 I've seen that, that get on the table and can you, can you stay on it?

00:06:35.980 The better the healer, the harder it is to stay on the table, they say.

00:06:38.840 I made that up.

00:06:40.060 Oh, you know, when they're barely when they're bouncing off the table.

00:06:49.720 I once got a healing in my car from a man I met in a library.

00:06:53.400 OK, because I had been listening to Sacred Contracts that morning.

00:06:57.400 Is that Carolyn?

00:06:58.540 Yes.

00:06:59.420 OK, so everyone you meet.

00:07:01.020 OK, so I end up in a Target parking lot getting a healing in my car.

00:07:06.520 OK, by a stranger.

00:07:08.040 okay and he and he um he was a man in the library carrying a stick okay okay a big stick

00:07:18.760 no part of the problem was somehow he he knew her work so i'll just tell it to you so say your

00:07:24.880 contracts every single person passes they have a contract to you you must you know be open live

00:07:29.880 symbolically whatever i'm yeah i'm wandering i'm in the local library i'm living at my parents house

00:07:34.260 Okay.

00:07:34.660 I'm in a local library.

00:07:35.880 I'm in this, I think I'm reading more Carolyn Mace, you know, Carolyn's playing in the car

00:07:39.800 in the library and this guy walks past with a, with a large walking stick, like, you know,

00:07:48.020 Moses kind of walking stick.

00:07:49.300 I forget what he was wearing, you know, whatever, you know, I actually don't want to reveal

00:07:54.100 too many details about him.

00:07:55.340 Like, cause like he's probably out there.

00:07:56.980 Like, I know this is weird, but like, I think he even was like peddling his business.

00:08:00.240 So I'm going to give almost nothing.

00:08:02.140 so he looks at me strangely okay fine gorgeous girl like you in a library 11 a.m what's wrong

00:08:10.080 sweetheart yeah okay and then and then comes into the aisle at some point and is like carolyn mace

00:08:17.300 okay okay start talking about the mace work start talking and he says he's like when i walked in 0.98

00:08:25.020 your soul turned to look at me okay it's time to fuck okay no no it wasn't hot I mean at all okay 0.99

00:08:34.220 it was more you know I mean whatever so he said something like like your soul stood up and turned 0.99

00:08:41.180 to me like as in I'm still looking at the book my soul is like it's like daddy yeah yeah okay so

00:08:46.160 I'm like all right whatever I have an interesting conversation with I'm trying to like I'm so I'm

00:08:49.820 so deep in like carolyn whatever that and by the way i want to be clear carolyn's message is not

00:08:56.820 getting a car of course you know you know what i mean like that's that's like whatever spiritual

00:09:02.080 narcissism or something you know what i mean point is the conversation with him somehow oh he does

00:09:06.820 healings he had some read on me i forget what it was like can't recall but he does healings i'm

00:09:12.360 like well there's a bench yeah i'll pay you 200 bucks you know i mean there's a bench over there

00:09:16.440 in the center of the library how about we do it there yeah he's like i think we need somewhere

00:09:21.280 more quiet private to do this kind of work fair yeah so then i'm like and he's like and i need a

00:09:26.060 few supplies or something okay somehow it ends up both of us separately driving to target i'm

00:09:30.800 getting cash out okay it's amazing okay i can't believe never in the suburbs okay okay and i

00:09:36.980 it becomes me agreeing to do it in the car yeah it becomes him with a target bag getting in my

00:09:45.160 car stick in the back you know yeah and him pulling out like a small thing of i think what's

00:09:52.680 the worst thing he could pull out from target from target yeah at that moment and i know target is

00:09:57.960 everything uh but i think it is number one worst wait tell me right now k y jelly no no stop no

00:10:04.980 no no no Jacqueline no Jacqueline no no no no okay I know that's number one what do you mean

00:10:12.980 now he then did so I watched these trains pass rumbling through I'm like you know a young adult 0.75

00:10:21.700 woman okay stunted failure to launch whatever he pulls out the KY and then he does like a pretty 0.57

00:10:28.400 standard barely hands-on thing but there is a ky on the hand with like you know a hand on my like

00:10:35.940 chest he lubes up his hand and puts it on you is that what you're saying yeah basically okay 0.97

00:10:39.980 and then it's like a 40 minute healing and it's mostly that shit i mean i say mostly like you 0.94

00:10:44.960 know except for when a finger no yeah of course i mean it literally was that he asked me some 0.95

00:10:49.480 questions there was something you know it was one of these like you know things of like you gotta 0.96

00:10:54.680 let go of this thing let it go let it go there i'm so pissed about the fucking six i think i 0.99

00:10:59.400 gave that motherfucker 600 bucks 400 bucks that fucking guy that healer it took me in the back 0.99

00:11:04.740 room wait the one you i thought you loved it no oh and he was like you know hand on my lower back 1.00

00:11:10.300 he's like he was like he was writhing no no i oh he was like writhing me and i was like okay like 0.99

00:11:17.300 i'm an actor like i can go with this and then it was such fucking bullshit and then he's like 0.99

00:11:21.560 you gotta let him out 1.00

00:11:22.960 or like

00:11:23.380 well it's the classic

00:11:25.300 it's the classic

00:11:26.000 no right

00:11:27.080 it's acting school

00:11:28.840 right

00:11:29.120 it's trying to have 1.00

00:11:30.300 I write a fucking check 1.00

00:11:32.540 I write a check 1.00

00:11:33.680 and I write

00:11:34.540 who should I

00:11:35.720 make it out to

00:11:36.600 no literally 1.00

00:11:37.200 I'm a fucking idiot 1.00

00:11:38.640 your name 1.00

00:11:39.420 or your business name

00:11:40.300 wait for the business name

00:11:41.860 wait for the business name

00:11:43.120 oh

00:11:43.840 you know

00:11:45.220 can you write

00:11:45.660 jelly hands

00:11:46.280 yeah

00:11:46.620 yeah

00:11:47.000 yeah

00:11:47.220 you know i've done sessions with like basically energy healers right do you still go to her

00:11:57.960 i mean i just haven't in a while but yes you know what i mean like mean to get an appointment on the

00:12:02.540 books yeah yeah and it's remote and whatever and i have a belief that you're kind of engaging in

00:12:06.760 something with the other person where you are consciously sort of saying remove the blockage

00:12:11.580 right like you're you're sort of an active participant just by being passive right

00:12:15.700 but like someone being like be like yeah i go in there and i took it okay i'm like how how could it

00:12:23.760 be how could you take it okay if if it's like how could the healer take it curse or whatever

00:12:29.460 yeah or you know my block my favorite scam my friend actually did the skin my friend was

00:12:33.780 really really um in a romantic like entanglement thing couldn't get over this person whatever

00:12:39.740 literally went to like a street psychic no no yeah like like a flea market psychic yeah like

00:12:46.120 went into the corner and they were like did the thing and then literally my friend paid five 0.99

00:12:52.600 hundred dollars to have the quote curse lifted off her heart right i was like are you fucking 0.71

00:12:57.380 kidding me however and there's the desperation work well she did meet someone and now she's 0.69

00:13:02.840 better than ever no well because i mean let's just say like kate you went into the woods like

00:13:08.260 you took $500 out of your account and you went into the woods and you burned the $500. Actually,

00:13:12.460 you know, you know, you went into the ocean. No, it's okay. No, I believe in the ritual process.

00:13:16.900 So by, by sacrificing something actual to you, money, right. It's like, it's like an active

00:13:23.180 sacrifice or something. So it could, could be effective. But God, I remember like in a crystal

00:13:27.320 shop in Chicago overhearing, there was like energy workers in the back kind of thing. And two of them

00:13:32.980 are talking and one of them's like shitting on the other or like, you know, shitting on the third 0.97

00:13:37.200 one is not there or whatever it was like I mean yeah Jan's great I just prefer to just go in and 0.99

00:13:42.600 just get it and just pull it right out oh my god you know like I just go in I get it it's out you

00:13:47.400 know what I mean like amazing and I was like that's cool you know I was like but it was I mean 0.98

00:13:53.120 I thought it was obnoxious yeah she was suggesting you know the other one's like bullshit you know 0.96

00:13:57.100 what I mean and like it's like I just like to go in and completely remove the disease you know 0.99

00:14:01.220 what I mean versus like fuck around with it or something but what I'm saying is that what can

00:14:05.360 another person another consciousness or energy removed from you right like energetically let's 0.88

00:14:11.260 just say in theory I would say like maybe they could spot something that isn't yours

00:14:16.740 that get glommed on to you let's just say right because that's not yours and so it's sort of easy

00:14:23.260 for them to grab but you could also argue that for it to have stuck to you okay something in

00:14:28.280 your energy field did connect with it right and right so how can they see something you can't see

00:14:34.000 I don't know how any of it works

00:14:35.960 there's a certain kind I just took it away

00:14:37.900 that I'm like did you I'm like you didn't

00:14:40.040 take it away like

00:14:40.620 you didn't take away much

00:14:43.600 have you heard someone ever done that to you I've never had someone

00:14:45.920 no but when you're describing the like

00:14:47.940 the flea market cabalist

00:14:49.240 and you're going like and she'll be like

00:14:51.900 no she's not taking it away

00:14:54.120 she's like oh your chakra here 0.93

00:14:55.900 is like blocked or whatever and you're like damn right 0.90

00:14:58.000 it is 0.56

00:14:58.400 damn right it is you know it's kind of cool

00:15:01.800 I remember this like energy healing thing was like singing 0.96

00:15:03.760 toning uh over someone's chakra to bring it into like balance it's like tuning like c note yeah

00:15:10.340 yeah but you could do it with your voice when you're really when you're really up there you

00:15:13.800 can do it pure intentionality it's like i'm like get them spinning clockwise

00:15:19.620 explain it for people who maybe who don't know what a pendulum is they know

00:15:29.720 it's an object hanging at the end of a string or a uh or a chain and sometimes it's a crystal

00:15:37.600 sometimes it's a rock sometimes it's a stone sometimes it's a shell and you dangle it from

00:15:43.100 one hand and you may ask it questions you may establish a relationship with a pendulum okay

00:15:48.900 it's a divination tool let's say it like that way great so it can be considered a mere extension of

00:15:53.200 your body or subconscious or you can choose to feel that it's coming out of elsewhere right

00:15:58.820 or they're all one in the same because you're part of the one, but you might establish a kind

00:16:03.320 of language with it where you decide, you know, my name is Jacqueline. Okay. And it starts spinning

00:16:07.620 clockwise. You know, my name is Dunkel R. Fredman. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It starts spinning left. Okay.

00:16:13.640 That means, you know, no, essentially whatever, or I'm at peace and it starts, uh, sort of

00:16:19.780 scrambling in the middle, you know, not going either way or goes dead still. It could also be

00:16:23.880 used like in Debra King energy healing courses, like to check people's chakras. So they'd lay

00:16:30.520 down on the table and she'd hold the pendulum over. Okay. And it would pick up the energy of

00:16:35.440 the spinning wheel of the chakra or like, you know, like they get to like the second chakra 0.99

00:16:38.820 and that shit's dead still. Okay. And they're like, yeah, it's shut down or it's running 0.99

00:16:44.020 counterclockwise, which is like a thing. Like the chakra is not only just shut down and small,

00:16:49.360 but it's like you know circling negative spiral and so they would do things like tone over the

00:16:56.700 chakra like oh okay okay to get the chakra into the vibration it would be like c note for chakra

00:17:05.120 one and like d for chakra two whatever but like oh and like the idea was like some of them are

00:17:10.980 again like another sort of tool that like if you're like a master healer you just like look

00:17:15.800 at the chakra and be like, okay. Yeah. Through direct intentionality. But early days when you're

00:17:22.140 learning and you have less confidence or whatever, this is just all in kind of language of this idea,

00:17:28.460 whether you believe it in or not. It's like, yeah, use the tool later. The tool might become

00:17:33.340 irrelevant. You know what I mean? Well, you can imagine for me, someone crushed by uncertainty,

00:17:38.440 you know, you can imagine a tool like that for me is it's, it's a slippery slope. My friend who

00:17:43.040 has been who she's very it's not okay okay i think because she has a very close relationship

00:17:47.860 with her pendulum she like always has it in her pocket always and she will do little things from

00:17:53.360 you know dinner reservation help all the way to like you know are you in this person and meant 0.97

00:17:59.100 to be together whatever the fuck it sounds like you're looking for a magic stone yeah like you're

00:18:03.860 looking for a certainty stone a pendulum i know i just heard about a yes no machine yes no machine 0.96

00:18:08.640 I mean, you're, you're, you know, certainty at all.

00:18:12.040 Looking for God in all the wrong places.

00:18:13.560 Yeah.

00:18:13.720 It feels like it, dare I tap into my own sense of wisdom, but my sense is no tool is inherently

00:18:22.020 good or bad or meant for anyone or everyone.

00:18:24.900 Right.

00:18:25.380 Imagine you create yourself, you know, like someone can be a hairdresser and they're doing

00:18:29.300 like work on your top four chakras and like whether they, and like, they might say like,

00:18:33.900 I can't do it without giving you a haircut.

00:18:35.540 A woman who cuts my hair is a Reiki master. 0.99

00:18:37.220 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:37.560 Zap.

00:18:37.840 Now you're supposed to ask for permission to do any healing work.

00:18:41.200 I had someone say, can I enter your force field or can I enter your energy field?

00:18:44.560 And I go, mm-hmm. 0.97

00:18:45.380 Don't let the dork hit you on the way out. 0.97

00:18:53.980 This is a thing. 0.98

00:18:55.160 This is a thing.

00:18:55.760 This is a real thing I've heard about.

00:18:56.900 Okay.

00:18:57.240 Oh my God.

00:18:57.920 Which is if it falls out of the light.

00:18:59.880 Okay.

00:19:00.180 If you let ego in too hard, the gifts can leave. 1.00

00:19:03.540 Fuck. 1.00

00:19:04.620 And you know, you must be humble about your gift. 0.99

00:19:07.360 And I don't think that means, like, I don't personally believe, I've heard people say, like, I don't think people should charge for that kind of work, like spiritual related work.

00:19:17.720 I disagree.

00:19:18.600 I think you pay people for their time.

00:19:20.160 Yeah.

00:19:20.400 You're paying people for their time.

00:19:22.180 I mean, if I were talking about labor, I mean, the force field, if you're laid out because you're doing so much energy work.

00:19:29.520 Right.

00:19:29.940 Come on.

00:19:30.540 Although they're kind of like, if they're going to go pro, they actually have to learn to manage that.

00:19:35.580 Well, that's the thing.

00:19:36.040 How many appointments?

00:19:36.880 Can you do?

00:19:37.360 You ever like go into someone and then there's someone coming out.

00:19:40.500 You're like, wait, there's no time in between.

00:19:42.400 Like you're going straight from them to me.

00:19:44.260 You're not taking 45 minutes to lay down.

00:19:47.860 No, I think that's like clinical.

00:19:49.800 You know, some people I've worked with that I think are excellent will say we need to reschedule because I don't believe I'm depleted or I'm sick or I'm whatever.

00:20:00.260 And I'm like, thank you.

00:20:02.560 Absolutely.

00:20:04.540 That's cool.

00:20:05.240 so the remote okay the remote work because i've pitched energy healers to friends yeah and i say

00:20:14.460 don't worry you don't even have to leave your house okay they don't even have to look at you

00:20:17.900 you just get on the phone you know and it's like this belief level this is what i find interesting

00:20:23.900 it's like the believer doubter right we all come up with our metaphysical rules for what makes

00:20:29.060 sense to us so i think for you you kind of and it's it feels like you to me you're like well no

00:20:34.740 it's being in the presence of the singing bowl teacher like you kind of believe it like between

00:20:38.800 like chakras one and three there I say okay one to four like almost like because those are the

00:20:43.480 ones sort of more connected to the physical yeah I believe in the theater of the thing I don't even

00:20:47.840 know if it's the theater I mean it might be the theater you know anything can be theater I think 0.99

00:20:53.620 like okay so for me it's sort of like if the shit's real the shit's real okay and if on the 0.98

00:21:01.160 level at which something like radical and instantaneous like work is being done time is 0.98

00:21:09.400 being collapsed and space is being collapsed okay or if anything space is being collapsed

00:21:13.360 so it's like if you can't do it at a you know at 3 000 miles why can you do it at one foot

00:21:20.140 right totally okay i'm not necessarily saying i believe this i'm just saying

00:21:25.560 this is a conception i have that i've entertained which is like

00:21:29.960 if you're only able to do it at one foot it's because you're you are just dumping energy

00:21:36.580 directly from your personal field to them do you see what i'm saying you're like scooping up some

00:21:41.920 energy from the earth under your feet and just hauling it onto the person it's relatively more

00:21:47.300 physical if required if it were like like i'm like it's like lower no no i see what you're saying

00:21:52.500 The Zoom healing is the highest form.

00:22:00.060 I mean, I guess I am.

00:22:02.380 I guess I am.

00:22:03.460 I love that.

00:22:04.180 You've presented a good case.

00:22:12.200 A dear friend, as you would say, very sweetly gave me a session with this unbelievable body

00:22:20.760 worker a couple of days ago. If it's the friend that sent you the pie on Thanksgiving. Who? No,

00:22:26.640 no, no. It's a different friend. Okay. I was going to say this friend's doing too much.

00:22:30.200 Okay. Listen, I get there on the table. This guy is unbelievable. He immediately starts

00:22:37.020 pressing me going, Oh yeah, you're right. Hip here. Giving me that structural understanding

00:22:40.580 things. He's like, also knows about Chinese medicines to got your tongue. He's like,

00:22:45.420 he looks at my tongue. He goes, Oh, you're like in a lot of emotional distress right now. Aren't

00:22:50.180 you. I was like, yeah. And then he's like, we're going to do emotional stuff on you today. I was

00:22:55.560 like, great. He starts, he puts needles. He starts massaging this little point on my foot hurts so

00:23:00.460 badly in this way that I can't even fathom. He sticks a needle. Boom, boom. Each foot, boom,

00:23:06.040 boom. Each shin, my stomach, my hands, the needles are in there. I'm doing deep breathing. He's

00:23:12.400 massaging my head. I start weeping on the table. It was yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Baby. I start

00:23:19.020 weeping on the table get me in now get me in now get me in now he's like really sweet he's like

00:23:24.980 let it go i'm like weeping and then somehow just kind of eventually it stops my tears are getting

00:23:31.220 on my hands for sure he's massaging my head what just tears or is there at first no no there sounds

00:23:36.720 at first there just was a steady stream of of hot tears and then i started

00:23:40.500 no those kinds of things yeah yeah fully amazing fully and i feel just fine with it like i'm not

00:23:47.960 holding back. I'm just kind of like, I mean, I wasn't going, uh, you know, but I was, I was

00:23:51.560 crying. Okay. And then somehow it kind of stops. So key point before he put needles in, he was kind

00:23:57.860 of testing my flexibility. He was like, Oh wow. See, I can barely get this leg here. This he's

00:24:02.060 presses on this part of my sternum. And I'm like, ow, that's really tender there. He's doing this

00:24:06.380 little tender spots on my neck. Ow, that hurts. He brings the needles out. Suddenly, honey, I am

00:24:12.120 flexible. My leg that 20 minutes ago couldn't go here. It's going there. No, he presses on my,

00:24:17.420 the place on my sternum that was really tender before painless he presses on the place on my 0.98

00:24:21.680 foot that was really hurting a second ago the fucking pain is gone did he go let's see how 0.97

00:24:25.880 the sternum feels now no oh no he goes he well yeah like afterwards he pressed on these spots 0.98

00:24:31.140 which i don't have a problem with i just how does that feel now and i was like wow now that's fine

00:24:34.440 he i mean it was he was like you're gonna be really tired later don't eat any raw food

00:24:39.800 eat like warming foods. I sat up, drank some broth instantly and whoa, felt the release and

00:24:49.560 that passed out dead asleep at like eight 30. I couldn't stay awake, slept, woke up the next

00:24:56.480 morning, eyes open around seven 30, 8 AM steady steam of tears from like eight to 12 30. I texted

00:25:03.160 you. I was like, this is crazy. I'm just like crying, crying, crying, crying. He texted me.

00:25:06.700 he was like, how are you? I was like, well, I slept really well. My body feels great, but I

00:25:11.180 can't stop crying. And he was like, yep, totally. Like do some squats, do some breathing.

00:25:16.580 But this guy, this guy, and I'm going to New York and I'm like, I need to do weekly acupuncture.

00:25:22.320 I have to get back into it.

00:25:30.200 Lymphatic massage. I said, you bitch, when you told me you got some, because 1.00

00:25:34.360 i feel that i need it and i should have been on a regimen of it last month and so i was just like 1.00

00:25:40.640 fuck just get it before you leave my my friend loves her it's my first time ever having a massage 0.97

00:25:45.760 in the house what like am i in this house so it's very luxurious right she comes over i don't think 1.00

00:25:50.580 i could let someone in the clutter in the chaos right now gets me on the table she's a goddamn 0.99

00:25:56.280 healer okay this woman let me tell you that because she starts she starts doing it and she's 0.99

00:26:02.300 like oh it's your first lymphatic massage yeah she's doing it i'm like oh and she not to brag

00:26:06.780 but she goes wow she goes you're very clean oh my god can you believe how that made me feel

00:26:11.360 lymphatically clean and she goes i'm surprised she's like because it's your first time 0.95

00:26:14.960 you know she was like you're very writhing it's the writhing kate she goes you're a little bit 0.84

00:26:20.340 she like was moving she was like there's one little spot in like the back of my leg she's 0.99

00:26:24.220 like normally people have a lot here you don't she's like there's a little bit right here she 1.00

00:26:27.780 goes there's a little bit right here and then she's doing my face and my head oh my god she 1.00

00:26:31.680 hits the spot on my right on the right side of my head pain shooting at like i was like ow she was

00:26:37.420 like yeah you have a little right here i was like i can't believe this is a spot on my head that i

00:26:41.860 didn't even and me with migraines headaches i feel like i know my head she hits this one spot that i

00:26:45.980 and she goes you think a lot she's like you're thinking a lot i was like yeah she's like yeah

00:26:50.960 she's like you need to i loved it she was like well you have to put epsom salt there you need

00:26:55.740 to put you really soil there yeah she's like you need an hour before bed she says you need to

00:27:00.940 really like do nothing no phones no not you have to like she's like it'll go away the pain will go

00:27:07.400 away if you do that if you start doing that i'm feeling for i'm feeling for thinking she gave me

00:27:11.640 my first and this was actually uncomfortable for me because she gave me this really intense stomach

00:27:16.040 massage no she goes she goes i'm gonna take a picture of your stomach and i go uh or she's like

00:27:20.840 before and after a picture she's a really like she's a portuguese accent she's like i'm gonna

00:27:25.260 take a before I'm just adding that for kind of for the full narrative um flavor yeah give it to

00:27:30.800 me and she's like I can't do the accent yeah but she was like I'm gonna take a before and after

00:27:34.660 picture of her stomach and I was kind of like I don't really need that you know and I was like

00:27:37.740 well sure she takes a before picture of my stomach she does this massage on my stomach

00:27:41.460 which I'm like having to breathe through because I'm like it's like intense it doesn't hurt but

00:27:45.360 it's just a really no no when they do that even at the doctor the physical it's a very like

00:27:49.860 shocking feeling good to hear because you know yeah so she's doing she's good to hear because

00:27:53.480 I was like, something's wrong.

00:27:54.600 Immediate hospitalization needed.

00:27:56.040 So she's doing the massage

00:27:57.760 and I'm feeling like tingling in my legs. 0.99

00:28:00.160 Like she's like moving shit. 0.99

00:28:01.380 I like feel it. 1.00

00:28:02.460 She takes the after picture.

00:28:03.520 I go, whoa, the stomach like looks different.

00:28:07.520 It's like carved out.

00:28:09.040 It's like the fluid or whatever.

00:28:10.240 She moves around and goes down.

00:28:11.900 I'll give it to you right now.

00:28:12.900 It was so good.

00:28:14.260 Loved her.

00:28:14.880 Can you go to her home?

00:28:16.480 I don't know.

00:28:17.020 Or she insists on coming into the home.

00:28:20.440 That's interesting.

00:28:21.020 She might insist on crossing the proscenium, so to speak.

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00:33:10.080 service team will take care of you i had a really uncomfortable day of alleged healing or really

00:33:20.640 gifts to the self so there's a lot to talk about but i went to this really intense fascial release

00:33:26.720 i'm very excited about getting who's also kind of psychic and she's very tapped in it's three

00:33:32.500 hours long it was really intense and then three hours long three hours long see this i can really

00:33:40.600 maybe three hours and 15 minutes like it's really long that's what you would need if this is like

00:33:45.680 oh she's going she's going in oh my god did it hurt ever which i yes it hurt a lot it hurt a lot

00:33:52.020 negatively it was very uncomfortable a lot of it really hurt my god and where shoulders had no

00:33:58.220 arms for at least 15 minutes so i had no idea i had no idea i was holding anything my shoulders

00:34:04.780 don't bother me my arm yeah she's like i'm like ow ow ow like really intense um legs stomach 40

00:34:15.220 minutes. Well, here's the big one. The entire time she's burping continuously because she's a

00:34:20.460 conduit or whatever it's called. She's doing like a energy release or energy healing. I talked to 0.73

00:34:27.500 this kind of moving energy. She's moving. Yeah. She's moving energy. I looked this up after you

00:34:31.080 mentioned and read about this for like 25 minutes. Yeah. What'd you learn? You know, it was talking

00:34:35.580 about, it was, it was talking about that being a common way that energy is released by energy

00:34:41.080 healers burping you know there were some other ones there was like reddit threads people being

00:34:46.640 like i was kind of shocked or someone being like i am one and i do this and yeah it's a little

00:34:51.400 embarrassing but it's the way it's the way it goes she's in a mask she makes you wear a mask

00:34:57.380 what kind of mask just like a cloth mask i think because of the burping maybe just like

00:35:00.980 fair enough yeah and whatever but did she warn you about the burping she said it early on but

00:35:06.400 i knew that was coming because my friend like had gone i was brushing my teeth thinking like

00:35:11.700 robert durst like oh god the burping the burping like he was like wildly releasing totally no but

00:35:17.720 she but listen there was maybe a moment where it was 40 minutes of her on my stomach no words 0.99

00:35:22.280 exchanged her burping continuously really deep like and painful she put her finger on my belly 1.00

00:35:28.760 button if i go okay wow she's working my inner belly button so hard it fucking hurts and i go 1.00

00:35:35.140 meaning going sort of into it or yeah i mean okay no no she's like inside of it like yeah 1.00

00:35:40.400 and i was like i feel that in the center of my vagina she was like yeah now when you say the 0.87

00:35:47.080 center do you mean deep yeah like the deep center and she was like well this is like connected to 1.00

00:35:51.780 your pelvic floor and she's doing like the stomach and she she's she's like oh i'm gonna move your 0.94

00:35:57.000 rib up your liver is too low like your liver needs to be like released and higher i was like okay

00:36:00.620 excuse me i'm like ow did you make that did you do intense yeah i did some of those i do i mean

00:36:07.080 i'm doing a lot of breathing and she was like very like well good breathing really good breathing i

00:36:10.680 was like yeah and um i'm like oh you know i was doing like that no no no no so you were bringing

00:36:17.160 a little bit of i mean i was having fun comedy i mean like i was great you know i had a couple

00:36:22.520 right you know i made her laugh once because my because i think my face because i'm wearing a

00:36:26.480 mask and my eyes look when she says I'm gonna move your liver I think my eyes you know understandably

00:36:32.140 became terrified but listen I have to tell you something so she watches you walk she's aware of

00:36:37.520 your posture she instantly in this way I couldn't believe she was like okay yeah your right arm she's

00:36:41.400 like look your right arm's longer than your left what she shows me oh yeah it is didn't know she's

00:36:45.920 looking at me walking she's going okay you're probably someone who crosses your she is I'm now

00:36:51.320 aware of the fact that my I constantly cross my right ankle over my left when laying down like

00:36:57.620 like I sleep like that okay I love when I'm lying there I have to if I want to actively do like

00:37:03.400 muscle relaxation I'm usually like oh shit I need to unhook those because they're yeah they're like

00:37:09.100 tied at the bottom like a little bow so now I'm aware that I that's just my go-to and she's like 0.90

00:37:13.960 you gotta stop doing that like it's totally throwing off like everything so she does she

00:37:18.060 She adjusts, by the way, adjusts, nothing cracking. 0.96

00:37:20.840 Just she does the fascial, massage the word. 0.97

00:37:23.560 I mean, yeah.

00:37:24.280 And literally, I'm so sorry.

00:37:25.960 She does before and after pictures.

00:37:27.080 My posture is different.

00:37:28.180 Okay.

00:37:28.540 Like I'm straight.

00:37:30.520 And I came home and I was like, whoa, I am kind of like taller or something.

00:37:35.380 It's almost looks like less pelvic tilt.

00:37:38.180 Yeah.

00:37:38.420 Something like that.

00:37:39.200 I mean, you know, it's very, the left side of the body carries the past.

00:37:42.240 Right.

00:37:42.600 And the moment she was saying, bringing up names or letters of names or this kind of name.

00:37:47.480 and at the time i was like no like i really couldn't see it i was like oh she's off like

00:37:51.460 she's not really there she's like this name i was like no one by that name and then yesterday

00:37:55.740 in the shower i truly i was like oh my i realized how completely spot on she was

00:38:01.200 in a way it's so embarrassing like how could i not have no yeah but anyway that's why they're

00:38:07.500 like save it for later they're like save it for later it might come to you later yeah right right

00:38:11.720 sometimes i really like when they're really confident they're like you know it's like

00:38:15.420 they're like grapefruit marcia and i'm not gonna say it again you know like that's it well you know

00:38:23.920 what she said this is an interesting image because obviously most of this i keep taking

00:38:27.080 in private but she was like i see a plate with water running on it she's like plate with water

00:38:32.240 okay and i was like what and i was like what's that plate with water a plate with water like

00:38:38.360 like okay water running on a plate it happens when you're washing a dish like sink you're

00:38:44.120 rinsing a plate right uh-huh symbolically what is it it's um i don't know we didn't spend

00:38:50.360 clearing time on it clearing a place yeah i don't know but she was intense in a way where even

00:38:56.800 i was feeling anxious that night i was like she moved my intestines like because she was so hard

00:39:02.320 you know i was like my belly button's in a different place and i and i felt like i want 0.94

00:39:05.200 to move she like entered me it was intense

00:39:07.820 20 minutes ago i was getting a massage the masseuse just left my home 0.97

00:39:17.060 and god wait let me take a minute with this in-home massage so this is the woman who i've 1.00

00:39:24.080 talked about on poo before over a year ago she came and gave me lymphatic drainage lymphatic 1.00

00:39:29.300 massage and she comes in and you're so good at making fucking appointments i can teach you 0.98

00:39:35.680 she and this was this is like once you start down the path with someone of like wellness or 0.98

00:39:41.320 anything she was like because I saw her over a year ago and she came in she's like I remember

00:39:44.920 you like your body was so clean because the last time when I saw her because she's like

00:39:49.520 has a very thick accent she's Brazilian there's like a lot of stuff that to be honest I'm just 1.00

00:39:54.300 like saying yes to things I don't know what she's saying um oh my god it's so would you bust that 1.00

00:39:59.520 out so jacqueline just busted out the dennis gross red light like neck thing which i just found

00:40:08.680 well i was just thinking like because you were talking about how i mean i know how religiously

00:40:14.940 you use the actual full dennis gross mask and i've like seen it on your nightstand and that's

00:40:20.500 how you know yeah totally i could tell it was in use yeah and i was like i gotta step it up i

00:40:25.360 picked this thing up i haven't touched this thing in a year yeah there it is held its charge fully

00:40:29.940 yeah so cool anyway but she said to me last last time i saw her she was like i'm really surprised

00:40:35.820 at how clean your body is she was like you really have like no blocks out clean yeah like no blocks

00:40:40.420 like the lymph system or whatever like your energetic pathways i don't really even know

00:40:44.340 lymph something yeah but she was like yeah and then this time she was like she's like nothing

00:40:50.160 bad but like you have new blocks and she's like she like she immediately it's unbelievable like

00:40:55.340 like when people are just gifted like she has my arm there and she just like immediately from 0.97

00:41:00.620 starting massage she goes she touches my arm and she goes right up to this one spot on my arm 0.95

00:41:04.980 presses on it pain yeah she's like yeah you've bought you have a blockage right here and i'm

00:41:09.720 like ow okay she's massaging it she's like don't worry like did you say ow and yeah she said yeah

00:41:14.320 no no she was like i'm not like doubting her i just want to know the process no no she touched

00:41:17.740 my arm she immediately went to one spot like on my arm and was like pressing it and i was like

00:41:23.880 oh she's like yeah you've got a block there she's like it's okay like it'll you know it'll go away

00:41:28.960 or whatever she's like they're not deep but she's like yeah you've got these new blocks she's like

00:41:32.420 the last eight months she's like this one's eight months old i was like it's so interesting because

00:41:37.180 i was like thinking back and i was like right the last eight months when things i just have been

00:41:41.000 under unusual dress yeah and i was like that's crazy and so but then she's like yeah you got 0.55

00:41:48.060 to ask the angel angels for help i was like don't i fucking know it and she said you need to yeah 0.92

00:41:53.780 she was like she was like don't do it alone and then she like grabbed my my like throat in this 0.91

00:41:57.500 way and she was like you're not saying something like hurt like my throat she didn't grab my throat

00:42:03.600 she was doing like massaging but she was like some things like you haven't said something to

00:42:10.080 someone or something classic fifth chakra and then she yeah it was cool but then she's like

00:42:14.620 close your eyes she's like touching my stomach she's like what colors do you see and it's that

00:42:18.400 thing where i'm kind of like uh purple like i'm just kind of yeah like yeah and then she's like

00:42:23.540 you have to eat pear I was like okay she's like you need fruit she's like you need to be eating

00:42:27.180 a lot more fruit I always do resold and I was resold watching this Joe dispense a video about

00:42:38.200 oh Kate it's just we have this send it on through I'll send it on through there's like there's

00:42:43.600 there's a lot to say with him and I and again I get overwhelmed I get overwhelmed me one thing

00:42:49.180 All right, let me try to think about one thing.

00:42:50.700 Okay, how about this?

00:42:51.500 You're ready?

00:42:52.340 The brain, okay, the thoughts have an electrical charge.

00:42:56.400 The heart and feelings have a magnetic charge, okay?

00:43:00.580 It's literally sending out waves, and people have nine-meter energy fields in their heart

00:43:06.940 sink, okay?

00:43:07.520 So we have to work our hearts and our minds, okay?

00:43:11.740 And we have to do it via meditation.

00:43:13.780 We have to become pure awareness.

00:43:15.180 I mean, you know, this is...

00:43:16.820 Prayer.

00:43:17.440 Okay, but...

00:43:17.900 No, I fully...

00:43:18.820 Oh, and I sought God this year. Yeah, absolutely. And here, I'll give you a better one. I panicked

00:43:23.800 when you said, like, give me one thing. Okay, let me give you this. Okay, no, no, let me give

00:43:27.500 you a better one. Okay. You can't. Well, no. Okay. I was gonna say, I was gonna be like,

00:43:31.880 you can't fight matter with matter. Okay. But it's more like you can't solve a matter problem

00:43:37.080 with matter. Okay, you want to go into the field. Okay, you want to go into the non physical,

00:43:42.020 the non physical plane. Okay, we want to be in the particle. Not that I've lost my mind. I've

00:43:47.120 lost my mind i'm failing us there's a good explanation of quantum physics no no we want

00:43:50.440 to be more wave than particle we want to be in the field the field of possibility which can

00:43:54.640 which we can access through the present moment if if we're meditating if we let go and become

00:43:58.960 nobody versus somebody etc etc etc etc etc i just saw i just was racing home and i saw a license

00:44:05.520 plate that said and there's a bumper sticker that said honk if you don't exist no and i was like

00:44:09.980 that's actually the best that's the best bumper i've never coveted a bumper sticker and we attempted

00:44:15.940 to honk but you're attempted to honk did you get did you get a glimpse i hadn't even considered it

00:44:21.560 did you get a glimpse yeah it was like this old guy who looked he was like an old hippie guy

00:44:26.700 probably from topanga who came over to the east side but um i was gonna say quickly when you were

00:44:31.420 talking about that just that i had no need for speed i had heard a woman once tell me about

00:44:36.680 a cord cutter somebody who cuts cords which is like what we did in an and then an old episode 1.00

00:44:42.500 but psychic warfare she'll be like oh yeah and she was told that an ex-boyfriend's mother

00:44:47.380 had been clinging to her there was still the cord isn't that wow and you know the mother doesn't

00:44:51.680 even know the ex-mother-in-law doesn't even know totally and so the woman was like may i cut the

00:44:55.420 cord i love that they always ask for permission yeah she was like may i cut the cord yeah my

00:45:00.360 question is i would almost fear that if someone was like oh here are the cords i have would i be

00:45:04.960 too scared to cut them lest i return to a crumpled state on the floor like imagine i'm a marionette

00:45:10.260 And all the cords are holding me up, even though some of them are toxic.

00:45:14.820 And then if that cord drops, what do I relinquish?

00:45:18.240 This is a perfect metaphor.

00:45:19.580 This is an absolute perfect metaphor because, yeah, I mean, it's the question of so many of our bad habits, right?

00:45:24.940 You're like, are these the strings?

00:45:26.500 These are the strings upon which I have danced.

00:45:31.080 And so will I merely crumple without?

00:45:33.640 Yeah, just into static flesh.

00:45:36.600 they say that with the cords because sometimes like like some of these energy healers that i've

00:45:41.240 watched videos of and stuff like that and they're removing cords would you say younger g healers oh

00:45:45.840 energy healers oh my god i said g healers and i was and i okay cut that g healers and they're like

00:45:53.440 they're like don't worry it doesn't harm the person you know whatever right and you send it

00:45:57.140 back no but even them they're worried about the others okay they won't know you know it's whatever

00:46:02.040 the cord is more of a negative kind of energy drain okay or maybe it's not that i guess it's

00:46:08.340 it's something like the point is it's not destroying your connection with your mother

00:46:13.180 for example to remove the cord or whatever okay right right so it's like it's very much like

00:46:18.660 you're sending back everyone their energy it doesn't uh deplete them it's in the it's they're

00:46:25.140 siphoning energy generally okay the cords these those strings so what'll actually happen is

00:46:30.760 instead of the strings being cut and you falling to the floor instead the strings are reabsorbed

00:46:37.400 into your own body yeah as energy yeah and now you're dancing stringless yeah exactly no i love

00:46:43.060 that i want to dance stringless in the night i came across this woman deborah king listening

00:46:53.920 to hay house radio in my car and i remember i remember driving past a supermarket near my

00:46:58.660 parents and liked her style, liked her voice, everything. Started reading her books, got kind

00:47:05.020 of into them, did a couple of healing, energy healing type workshops. And I was rereading one

00:47:11.300 of my favorite books from her, Be Your Own Shaman. I want to take you through what I was reading in

00:47:17.120 the chapter called Psychic Warfare. So have you run into problems caused by another person's

00:47:22.540 negative intent, maybe with a member of your own family? Stereotypes like the mother-in-law

00:47:27.860 hell-bent on disempowering her son's wife are based on the reality of powerful suppressed

00:47:33.920 emotions such as jealousy okay do you have a chronic health problem such as headaches or

00:47:40.140 backaches now we know those are caused by many things okay it's pretty dangerous to

00:47:43.260 leap right to you know psychic malintent from another however she goes some of your problems

00:47:49.420 may in fact be caused by the negative intent of others and i call that being under psychic attack

00:47:55.560 are you shocked i'm scared psychic attack yeah psychic attack happens when another person has

00:48:01.400 formed an intention consciously or not to hurt you and his or her negative energy has entered

00:48:08.660 your own field and body i don't like it you hate it you hate it i don't like it because i'm like

00:48:16.000 so someone out there that for whatever reason hates you is giving you like is making you

00:48:20.900 constipated it could be but here's i mean but it's not like you're powerless okay here's because

00:48:26.480 here's the thing most people don't even consider that they have an energy field okay so that it's

00:48:31.900 like now if you do you can protect it you can you know there's all manner of things you can do

00:48:35.440 don't worry she gives us the tools okay okay so it can be as simple as picking up a little

00:48:40.080 negative energy from someone who's in a bad mood such as a bank teller or supermarket clerk who's

00:48:44.940 having a bad day or being stalked by a spurned lover and can go all the way up to full-blown

00:48:52.920 demonic possession from big from bank teller to demon yeah okay now let me skip ahead to sort of

00:49:05.700 the layers okay from lightest to deepest because this is where i feel you can be empowered all

00:49:11.020 Right. Have you ever been slimed? So getting slimed is by far the most common and low level

00:49:18.320 attack. OK. And then this is pretty interesting. So she says, if you have a hole in your energy

00:49:23.620 field, it slips right in. This is a fairly ordinary energetic problem. Now, here's the

00:49:30.460 solution. Are you ready for it? For low level sliming. So if you think you've been slimed,

00:49:36.080 you probably have. You can remove the negative energy that's in your body and field

00:49:40.180 by adding one pound of sea salt

00:49:42.760 and one pound of baking soda

00:49:44.500 to a bath and soaking for 20 minutes. 0.68

00:49:46.980 Yes!

00:49:48.900 By the way, a pound?

00:49:51.060 Where am I getting a pound?

00:49:52.040 A single package.

00:49:53.780 I've done this.

00:49:54.840 I've read this book years ago.

00:49:56.240 A pound of baking soda is one of those little packages?

00:49:58.340 One of the classic squares that you see.

00:50:00.520 The classic rectangular square of baking soda is a pound.

00:50:04.740 See, that's when I start to get a little bit like...

00:50:06.520 It's 99 cents.

00:50:07.560 oh you mean like you think she's in league with arm and hammer no no i start to get a little bit

00:50:13.480 like really that's gonna clean it salt and baking soda no totally totally totally like a housewife's

00:50:20.580 remedy for spilled wine on the carpet it's like also no i totally and that's what's hilarious to

00:50:27.600 me okay because it is um physical and so you're like really right however i mean if the physical

00:50:34.040 world is a manifestation of the non-physical world and you can see it as pure you know

00:50:39.460 intentionality at work okay and i've done it and the intentionality alone of knowing that you're

00:50:45.320 taking a cleansing bath to me cool yeah yeah that you know that does it yeah but i enjoy

00:50:50.620 lending to the ritual and then this is this is big other possible solutions are to go for a swim in

00:50:56.460 the ocean or spend 20 minutes sunbathing, preferably full body. Okay. If you feel fine

00:51:05.300 afterwards, it was slime. If you don't, are you ready? It's more likely a cord. Boom. Next level

00:51:13.940 cord. Oh no. Oh no. Okay. No, but it is, this is interesting. This is interesting. I think you'll,

00:51:18.700 you'll, I've been meaning to tell you about this for a while. Okay. You ready? The cords that

00:51:22.420 connect us. So one of the most frequent methods of committing psychic warfare is chording. Chords

00:51:28.900 are streamers of auric light that connect us to one another. And each one matches up to the same

00:51:34.600 chakra in the other person. So something flying from your second chakra to someone else's second

00:51:40.240 chakra, heart to heart, right? And she's like, as you suspect, there are good chords and there

00:51:45.180 are bad chords. Negative chords indicate a vulnerability within us. If we can be negatively

00:51:50.660 corded it means we have emotions we haven't processed memories we haven't brought to closure

00:51:55.160 again that's why i'm always stressing the importance of meditation journaling therapy

00:52:00.300 and personal work can never escape it hear that you can never escape the basic personal work

00:52:06.320 okay so with training it is possible to learn to send back negative cords you can also have

00:52:13.100 them removed by a healer like herself okay either way you'll want to learn the following powerful

00:52:18.600 shamanic technique recapitulation i'm really into this so recapitulation a shamanic technique now

00:52:25.120 the reason i'm into it is because i want all my energy back and the reason i got into this at the

00:52:28.920 time was because i was like okay if i'm like 50 diminished due to depression and it's never going

00:52:33.780 to lift and the meds are never going to help and that's just going to be i'm just 50 down i want

00:52:37.760 to make sure that the remaining 50 that i technically could have let's say yeah i've got

00:52:43.700 all of it i don't want 10 stuck in you know lack of forgiveness you know like an example like it

00:52:49.920 was like it takes energy to like have a grudge against your father every day that's a couple

00:52:56.080 units of energy grudges whatever that's why forgiveness comes up so much in healing god i

00:53:01.080 read that i remember once this this yoga teacher this kundalini yoga teacher i had had us doing

00:53:05.700 this kriya where it involved like pulling back energy from like other people throughout your

00:53:10.960 life and it said this thing it was like it was like it was like this you know gendered thing but

00:53:17.360 it was like men after a sexual encounter like stay courted to you know their the partner for

00:53:23.580 three months okay like energetically oh christ and then it was like women stay courted to sexual

00:53:31.680 partners for 300 lifetimes oh god isn't that the worst yourself yeah yeah of course right okay 0.96

00:53:40.100 because we're like exclusively receptacles for male semen yeah and like you can't wash it out 0.98

00:53:47.820 yeah well it's like stained stained from this life into the next i mean yeah that's so rude 0.91

00:53:55.800 one night stand from the saloon wasn't as fun as you thought it was was it deborah yeah

00:54:01.660 so recapitulation okay it's the act of calling back the energy we have already spent in past

00:54:11.640 actions it not only retrieves the energy you have given away in your lifetime it also clears you of

00:54:17.140 the energetic deposits of others in short you return to the moments of your life when you spent

00:54:21.900 the energy relive them in as much detail as possible as if you're actually there now and

00:54:27.040 then your energy will be released and restored to you this allows you to turn the clock back

00:54:31.300 as what ages you the most is your loss of energy.

00:54:35.420 You will be surprised at the amount of energy and clarity you regain

00:54:38.680 by completing this process, even if you only do it partially.

00:54:41.860 Love it.

00:54:42.760 Do you want to know how?

00:54:44.400 Yes, now. Baking soda? Honey, I'll take it.

00:54:47.280 So this version of recapitulation is called the sweeping breath.

00:54:53.460 Basically, while you're recalling a person in your mind,

00:54:56.300 you breathe in and move your head from right to left.

00:54:59.100 so hang on so breathe in and you think about the person breathe in okay hold on okay i'm gonna

00:55:05.060 really do it we're calling the person all right so it's this head head moving the head from right

00:55:10.780 to left picking up any energy you spent in the relationship and then as you breathe out your

00:55:15.120 head moves left to right and ejects the remaining fragments of this individual's energy from your

00:55:20.500 field wait do it for me first okay hold on you breathe in the memory and then you blow out the

00:55:27.920 You pick up the energy you spent in the relationship.

00:55:30.060 So get your energy back.

00:55:32.760 Okay.

00:55:33.800 Like, like take, take what's yours.

00:55:35.680 And then, and then out and then out your head moves from left to right and ejects the

00:55:41.480 remaining fragments of their energy.

00:55:43.200 So that's yours out.

00:55:45.780 Give them what's there.

00:55:46.640 Okay.

00:55:49.800 Oh, it hurt my neck.

00:55:52.420 Okay.

00:55:52.860 You got to work from the core.

00:55:54.940 All right.

00:55:55.500 Are you ready?

00:55:55.960 Okay.

00:55:56.180 Okay.

00:55:56.420 There's more.

00:55:56.980 There's more.

00:55:57.500 Okay.

00:55:57.920 hold on yeah all right all right get in position this is classic i love it when she's all right

00:56:02.260 ready invocation one sit in a chair with your knees apart to maintain a good connection with

00:56:08.220 the ground through your first chakra okay preferably make contact with the floor

00:56:12.600 barefoot as there are important chakras in the soles of your feet socks are coming off folks

00:56:18.580 our listeners take off your socks okay

00:56:22.540 okay and feel the groundedness guy socks off everyone yeah invoke out loud or silently

00:56:32.200 so we you know listeners and you guys can do this um silently invoke any invoke your higher self

00:56:40.560 okay any spiritual masters guides angels or other beings whom you resonate with and would like to

00:56:47.320 have help you okay i have no one it's so sad i'm like just imagining i know but i'm like who

00:56:53.260 well i mean you used to do the rosary so where's mother mary no you did the rosary do it for me

00:57:00.320 okay go for mary magdalene then no more all right i'll get you out of that all right all right how

00:57:06.180 about um egyptian goddess isis i don't know what she looks like what can i just do like

00:57:11.160 fran lebowitz or something absolutely okay okay okay absolutely all right great um so let me let

00:57:18.940 me let me do it everyone do it okay hold on and you can also do ones that you don't know are there

00:57:26.200 like like whoever my guides are yeah guys i have the front that i don't know come here guys to the

00:57:32.360 front okay so we invoke them and your own higher self okay yeah to choose a person to recapitulate

00:57:39.580 select anyone in your life with whom you've ever interacted mother father partner child boss ex

00:57:45.000 friend friend alive or dead good to know do not pick a person with whom you've had any interactions

00:57:50.400 in which you were frightened for your safety as that requires another more advanced form of this

00:57:54.940 practice that she teaches in her you know in her program's c appendix that sort of thing but feel

00:58:01.440 free to choose someone with whom you've had plenty of upsetting experiences okay okay close your eyes

00:58:06.980 and mentally place the person you have chosen to recapitulate directly in front of you.

00:58:13.620 Okay.

00:58:14.480 Take a few minutes to let this individual come into your awareness as clearly as possible.

00:58:19.540 Begin the sweeping breath.

00:58:22.120 Breathe in through your mouth as you turn your head from center to the left. 1.00

00:58:28.380 Suck it in, yeah. 0.99

00:58:29.400 And then exhale out your mouth as you turn your head past the center and over the right. 0.99

00:58:36.980 after the first breath or two switch to breathing through your nose

00:58:44.380 nose both ways okay it's mouth mouth mouth mouth mouth mouth and then after you're into that then

00:58:53.580 you go to nose yeah okay the perfume cloud that's surrounding me is making this really

00:58:58.560 maintain the image of the person you chose to recapitulate to keep going 0.81

00:59:04.180 okay about 10 to 15 minutes per person damn is the right length of time when you're new to this

00:59:15.440 it's not unusual to have to repeat the technique for the key people in your life in order to

00:59:19.540 totally complete the energy exchange okay so this is some stuff you got to do later for a good 15

00:59:26.020 but this is like you know i think the teaching right all right yeah

00:59:29.660 wait wait wait wait wait watch me is this it

00:59:37.540 no no okay okay okay close your mouth and hold it closed tight

00:59:45.560 cover it if you must to learn you know like a child jumping into a pool holding them okay i

00:59:55.480 did it okay now you suspend the breath and you for those listening i just demonstrated

01:00:02.440 sweeping suspend the breath means you know stop it yeah sorry i'm just used to the terms

01:00:09.720 three of them yeah yeah left to right left to right left to right and then come still in the

01:00:13.800 center so i think that's pretty huge but the end of it is just the stillness yeah but that's just

01:00:23.220 a way to close it so like instead of this sloppy process of going like where you're like using the

01:00:28.880 breath to eject and pull back your energy right and eject their filaments instead of just like

01:00:32.800 sliding back into breathing regularly you need something to like seal the practice got it

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