Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - September 29, 2026


REMIX: The Ego Loves to Seek

REMIX: Surrendering to the Healer REMIX: The Ego Loves to Seek Pt. 2

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56 minutes

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11,108

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285

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00:00:00.760 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.
00:00:02.340 I'm Jacqueline Novak.
00:00:03.440 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.
00:00:08.160 Two untamable intellects.
00:00:09.940 This is our hobby. 0.97
00:00:10.780 This is our hell.
00:00:11.640 This is our naked desire for free products.
00:00:13.960 This is POOG.
00:00:21.700 To seek out healing near constantly when you don't have a profound illness is arguably,
00:00:28.700 you know, a hobby.
00:00:30.000 you know, a pastime. And that's why I always think about this quote that I always come back to,
00:00:38.060 but the ego loves to seek and never find. And to me, that's like a big part.
00:00:42.500 Let that really sink in, because that changed my life when I heard you say it.
00:00:46.820 The ego wants to seek and never to find. Yeah, it prefers to be in the state of seeking. Skin
00:00:51.380 care, it's the same thing. Like, the problem isn't really solving some real skin ailment,
00:00:57.160 And, you know, the thrill, the novelty, the excitement of peace being around the next product's corner.
00:01:03.980 The search for God.
00:01:04.900 Imagine actually seeing God.
00:01:06.380 It's over.
00:01:06.820 You'd be like, oh.
00:01:07.400 Well, you know, another one I'll give you. 1.00
00:01:08.560 If you see the Buddha, kill the Buddha. 1.00
00:01:10.320 Okay? 1.00
00:01:10.860 Because it's not the Buddha, honey.
00:01:15.740 Okay?
00:01:16.280 If you've seen the Buddha, then you have not seen the Buddha, right?
00:01:20.140 Yeah.
00:01:20.640 You know, idol worship, et cetera.
00:01:22.060 I have.
00:01:22.500 Yeah.
00:01:27.160 and then um by the way you off your recommendations last prescription i started
00:01:35.140 listening to carolyn mace yes entering the castle but what did you think of probably the only guest
00:01:41.360 i would ever want on carolyn mace yeah you started okay i start into your castle and that she she
00:01:48.500 goes her she's talking to you it's really fucking cool because it sounds like she's lectured it's
00:01:52.040 she's reading so she's not reading she she some of her books like when she does the audio yeah 0.92
00:01:56.540 are basically her teaching the book okay i got it it rocks rocks but she's like little chuckles
00:02:01.260 and stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah you're listening to someone lecture not just read a text and i'm
00:02:06.060 taking off on the plane and she goes there's no oh what is it oh i already forgot she's like there
00:02:12.380 is nothing to fear there's nothing to but she's actually not her she's quoting trees i know
00:02:18.140 exactly what she was doing what did she say let nothing disturb you let nothing disturb you i go 0.98
00:02:21.820 yeah bitch you know all all uh flies away yeah like all passes then it's like nothing frighten 0.96
00:02:27.900 you and then she's like but then later but then carolyn carolyn mays is talking about like 0.99
00:02:33.580 people that uh you know like searching for wellness check about people with their 0.97
00:02:37.100 fucking beads and their candles and all this so good yeah and she goes the soul is not a spa this 0.97
00:02:41.980 is yeah i mean i stole a line for i i stole saying pleasure cruise literally just yeah from her yeah 0.98
00:02:47.420 Like, like, like being like, you know, it's a pleasure cruise.
00:02:50.260 Okay.
00:02:50.460 From her saying the soul is not a day spot, people.
00:02:53.560 I mean, she's, she has all, she's like, you know, hysterical.
00:02:57.020 Oh yeah.
00:02:58.540 Okay.
00:02:59.340 Every time I go to Chicago, I invite her to my shows.
00:03:01.680 You know who I'm getting her mixed up with?
00:03:03.780 Sorry. 0.99
00:03:05.080 Louise Hay. 1.00
00:03:06.420 Cause similar.
00:03:07.300 Not alive.
00:03:07.720 Fields.
00:03:08.320 Not alive.
00:03:09.340 But, uh, very different vibes.
00:03:12.100 Well, Louise Hay is like, cancer is cause you.
00:03:15.660 Right.
00:03:15.980 don't uh like your dad or whatever like that's like right that's like yeah i mean it's a little
00:03:22.480 bit it's uh i'm abstracting but well it's just carolyn is not but carolyn's cool carolyn's
00:03:29.820 shoulder shoulder and then off you go off you go it's like her thing like yes pat pat pat but
00:03:34.620 yeah like she doesn't coddle her thing is you and i like about her yeah her going you're not 1.00
00:03:40.720 gonna get everything you want in life you fucking lunatic no no she literally goes 1.00
00:03:45.160 no no okay okay okay this is okay okay of course she's the medicine you need 1.00
00:03:52.240 she goes i started cackling in a target 15 years ago okay okay because she goes do you
00:04:00.460 want to know the definition of hell okay she goes ambition okay and i love it because
00:04:08.160 she is ambitious like she is like a business woman she has a business she has books she has
00:04:13.740 whatever right she's so fucking cool she's like she's like talking about like how she got furious
00:04:18.360 in an airport okay she's like i was like animating the queen the queen archetype lives in me and i 0.70
00:04:23.800 was animating the shadow side of the queen on that day going upset that the plane was delayed
00:04:27.840 or whatever up it thing and i can't believe this yeah she's like and then right after like a couple
00:04:32.980 fans of hers came up more just like you know like we're like caroline like your work has meant a lot
00:04:37.540 to us over the years and she was just like you know the kind of like comedy of being seen having
00:04:43.080 mortal yeah but she tells this one story of being in a makeup chair before some tv show and she sees
00:04:49.560 that the makeup artist is just like on her like the producer's being shitty to the makeup artist
00:04:54.780 she sees that the makeup artist is about to like maybe snap yeah and tell off the whatever and
00:05:01.120 carolyn's like grace like like came straight through her okay and she goes and it's like
00:05:05.960 something she wouldn't necessarily like she just she saw it she knew and she goes
00:05:09.140 makeup artist didn't say anything okay i forgot how the rest of it goes i have so many stories
00:05:17.100 to tell you no no no no no carolyn did to the makeup artist like she saw it and we're like no
00:05:22.720 no no no and the makeup artist got it and she didn't get fired on that day yeah but like she's 0.58
00:05:29.460 like yeah it's not i'm not i'm not uh she's like uh the omers okay what the hell she's like you
00:05:35.300 know the saying om okay she's like i'm not really liked at the wellness conferences right right
00:05:40.620 right okay because i'm not all love and light or whatever you know i mean no she is of course of
00:05:46.380 course she goes you want a soul with stamina you need to develop a soul with stamina the word 0.84
00:05:51.480 stamina and then and then she's like she's like these people and their fucking retreats or she's 0.84
00:05:55.480 like and she's like you want to build a soul that you go i'm not going on a retreat because that's 0.97
00:06:01.040 gonna take oh or it's like basically it's like no no i just do that at home oh i do that in the
00:06:06.940 shower doll no she goes she goes maybe next week okay i'll give you greatest hits of carolyn and
00:06:13.060 we do greatest hits of carolyn and then we get her on the show because that okay or a show yeah
00:06:17.720 it's a side thing tell me now i've already named it it's called tell me now i'm listening and i
00:06:21.800 encourage everyone i'm listening to the audiobook and have you gotten i think there's a lot of
00:06:25.860 oh yeah i'm like half an hour eventually there is music oh yeah there's ambience they're like i
00:06:30.580 mean there's ambient like yeah and you go down like i think i might have fallen to my knees
00:06:34.920 once while listening okay like in radical prayer like
00:06:39.440 she could get me there i swear i was like she's no she's literally everything like she is
00:06:46.820 perfect for you okay i'm so excited she's like she's like but yeah she's like you know someone's 0.95
00:06:51.200 in a workshop right now to get over knowing you oh damn because you know everyone you know what 0.82
00:06:58.120 is my highest what is my highest what is my highest purpose what is and they can't even 0.98
00:07:01.580 operate at their lowest that's that's cool okay that's cool they want to go and she goes they
00:07:05.780 always wanted to be a job they go what's my purpose and they're only happy if it's a job
00:07:09.660 that comes with a pension yeah okay yeah and that you don't get guidance because you never listen
00:07:14.700 to guidance the reason the saints got oh go dig here there's a fountain okay of healing water
00:07:21.080 it's because they listened look at this like the the angels aren't giving you guidance they go
00:07:26.140 you're getting guidance all day it's called don't eat that go for a walk yeah yeah and you're
00:07:31.960 ignoring it yeah you know you need to go for you know you should go for a walk a little thing you
00:07:35.560 they say maybe i should get up and go for a walk yeah you say no why would you be you think you're
00:07:40.160 gonna get writing big great huge she goes it great big huge so you have to develop a relationship
00:07:46.080 with your soul angels yeah yeah with the angel okay whatever it rocks okay guys just get in there
00:07:50.480 and i've met a couple hags like at the merch novek's famous merch cart yeah who were like
00:07:56.040 carolyn like they're oh okay i mean i'm really excited i'm really excited
00:07:59.700 there's a reason we're born and then we die it's what makes life that's what it is it's
00:08:10.720 The updated brownie pan is a rejection of the third face of the divine feminine crone and death, folks.
00:08:20.180 Yeah. 0.99
00:08:20.540 I mean, we know this.
00:08:21.300 And yet, and yet, eternal son will run for it.
00:08:24.500 We'll run for it.
00:08:25.140 We'll run and run and run.
00:08:26.100 The denial of death.
00:08:27.600 I know.
00:08:28.240 I know.
00:08:29.040 And guess what?
00:08:29.620 Fear of death is actually fear of life.
00:08:32.060 There it is.
00:08:32.560 You know?
00:08:33.040 No, it is.
00:08:33.500 And that's not me. 0.99
00:08:34.200 That's Pima.
00:08:35.200 And there was something.
00:08:36.200 You and me are heading into academia and quick.
00:08:38.580 I'm actually in an un.
00:08:40.420 in an unprecedented move,
00:08:42.520 I'm going to read from my Pima
00:08:43.760 really quickly.
00:08:45.700 This is good, okay?
00:08:46.680 Okay, let's hear it.
00:08:48.200 To be fully alive,
00:08:49.460 fully human,
00:08:50.220 and completely awake
00:08:51.220 is to be continually
00:08:52.300 thrown out of the nest.
00:08:54.120 To live fully
00:08:54.840 is to always be
00:08:55.740 in no man's land.
00:08:56.820 To experience each moment
00:08:58.000 as completely new and fresh.
00:08:59.300 Wait, cut.
00:09:00.540 I'm self-conscious.
00:09:01.560 Wait.
00:09:01.820 I'm going back.
00:09:02.580 Okay, okay.
00:09:02.980 Why?
00:09:03.540 Okay, here we go.
00:09:04.080 Here we go.
00:09:04.800 This is the good part.
00:09:05.500 This is the real part.
00:09:07.060 To live is to be willing
00:09:09.360 to die over and over again death is wanting to hold on to what you have and to have every experience
00:09:15.300 confirm you and congratulate you and make you feel completely together so even if you say
00:09:20.600 okay this is getting into phrases that you the point is we talk about fear of death it's actually
00:09:26.260 fear of life okay wait wait you're panicking i'm panicking you can feel it right and you don't need
00:09:30.800 to it's all there okay just just breathe for a second okay i know the panic because i do this a
00:09:35.600 lot i know you're still searching you're searching you're searching for the one quote that's gonna 0.70
00:09:38.460 fucking stick them it's like when i was sending you carolyn mace and i kept being like like wait 0.95
00:09:42.320 i haven't found the perfect one okay but it's like no it's white knuckling it's it's um death 0.99
00:09:51.320 is the you know it's the white knuckle grip you're still searching you're still shopping i know
00:09:54.640 shopping i'm still shopping you were you just are you dissatisfied with the quote because it felt
00:09:59.320 too abstract to you like almost too simplistic no i think i got oh isn't this sad the most
00:10:05.160 heartbreaking thing of all is how we cheat ourselves out of the present moment um I
00:10:10.140 yeah I I suddenly I couldn't do it I can't you heard yourself reading a quote from I heard
00:10:16.720 myself reading Pima Chodron on my podcast and suddenly I felt completely alienated no no I know
00:10:22.180 I'm just thinking about one more thing I want to say it's really hard for me to part with things
00:10:32.680 that i got for free like john early had been gifted in some gift box like a huge um pendleton
00:10:40.480 blanket which i was like i don't like this enough to put it on my bed or a couch or anything but
00:10:47.420 to me this is a dream picnic blanket yes because it's huge and thick i opened i had it in a drawer
00:10:55.640 jacqueline and i opened the drawer and a moth was on it so we're going to do after we hang up maybe
00:11:04.120 it's i'm going to go grab it i know i know i'm going to go grab it and i'm going to throw it
00:11:09.800 over the banister on my deck and let the moths fly into the sun i mean have you gotten any
00:11:17.880 information about i mean i'm sure it's googleable but again don't listen to the not moving some
00:11:23.400 subtle ideas um like our subtle methods but just like what needs to be done to linens to absolutely
00:11:30.400 yeah that's what i'm gonna that's what i'm gonna go do because i of course you know it might just
00:11:34.220 be hot water i know and this again highlights why this is a gift right we have to as pima would say
00:11:40.600 and how things fall apart you know turn a sword a sword is a flower turning the sword into the
00:11:44.680 flower something comes at you injures you it's actually an opportunity right and so the sword
00:11:50.680 of the moths the blood blooms out of the wound blooms sorry you've talked about you love when
00:11:59.340 blood blooms you talked about like wounds blooming with blood i feel like you've talked about that
00:12:04.360 no i feel it by that because my friend um like well whatever it doesn't matter my my i pulled
00:12:10.940 it from my friend's writing where she does it a lot and i love it well i'm gonna bloom the moth
00:12:16.800 is going to bloom with a gift which is that it's allowing me to not only shed things but to face
00:12:22.100 my fear of information because i live in fear of information because you know there's a thing
00:12:29.800 you know who said it you know a little a little information nothing there's nothing more dangerous
00:12:33.660 than a little bit of information i forgot who said that and i refuse to google it but there's
00:12:38.600 something that is so deeply real for me it's like you know i just and also just my it's like i have
00:12:45.540 this emotional belief that like the moths cannot be killed by hot water and they just might fully
00:12:51.460 be killed by hot water what's so heinous is that when you try to do that the white knuckle grip of
00:13:02.320 some new way of looking at things and then you see it um decay right it decays in the brain and
00:13:08.380 it's even more devastating because you tried to cling to something that you thought wouldn't decay
00:13:12.420 and does and it's it's nature oh it's so parental like relationships with language you know i'm like
00:13:19.040 i'm like pick me up save me it's like the words i'm like mama and then it's like yes well guess
00:13:25.260 what all our parents die language is in a constant state of decay yes like good luck holding on and
00:13:31.480 even i'm trying to hold on just now me being like how about this mantra may i meet this moment fully
00:13:35.740 may i meet it as a friend like oh because twice that sort of helped me in the shower but like
00:13:41.240 when you're actually no you have to totally and it's also like what it's the same sort of metaphor
00:13:47.080 as like a false idol you know like like you know i remember this thing in this problem of god course
00:13:54.640 in college and reading this guy aliada and his whole thing about these sacred um sacred spaces
00:14:00.660 and sacred moments in time and it was this thing about the way i remember it is some church or some
00:14:05.180 some community and this the tiger this tiger broke into the church one day or something like that
00:14:09.360 okay and then like and it was this like major experience and they all like felt and then they
00:14:12.960 were like trying to like repeat the tiger breaking into the church like oh my god you know what i
00:14:16.380 mean then they have a tiger statue and it's like it's that that spirit of yeah of of the clinging
00:14:22.800 oh my god and it wasn't it was never that it was never the statue it was never the
00:14:27.080 you know and and what i've made peace with is that it's okay to engage with so so the tiger
00:14:33.100 breaks into the church everyone has a spiritual experience okay yes you walk home you go home you
00:14:37.240 need this little souvenir tiger okay for a while that might work that reminds you that reminds you
00:14:43.480 right suit to souvenir okay but like but like you know but but it will decay yeah yeah yeah
00:14:53.700 yeah i was saying like praying to the verb praying to the souvenir i mean that's amazing the souvenir
00:14:57.900 tiger is so profound because we have i mean oh my god over and over again we clean a life of
00:15:05.780 endless souvenir tigers i mean that's not sure i'll give my life more credit than that um i but
00:15:10.760 the tiger yeah but that experience of chasing chasing the experience chasing the ecstatic high
00:15:15.400 i mean that's again what i'm kind of like thinking about more like reading these books it's just kind 0.71
00:15:20.520 of the grasping well i'm such a fucking grasper i'm like my hands are out like i'm completely 0.96
00:15:27.940 such a such a goddamn grasper well i am too mentally and i believe we both are and i think 0.97
00:15:33.960 this is part of our thing i i've actually come to find it useful to think of the metaphor of 0.99
00:15:38.140 hands in the brain or my brain having hands okay and my brain goddamn trying to clench on things
00:15:43.100 yeah and literally like like sometimes it's through furrowing of the brow like like it 0.69
00:15:48.460 becomes a physicalized metaphor of trying to yeah trying to hold something with the thoughts
00:15:54.160 but i think like you know the inherent dissatisfaction the inherent limitation or
00:16:01.700 the inherent decay of the, of the souvenir tiger or whatever, you know, points beyond itself.
00:16:07.780 Right. So, so technically the decaying tiger or the, you know, the, the flimsy, um, false idol
00:16:15.480 souvenir, the, the, the mantra suddenly meaning nothing points to something beyond, right? Like,
00:16:21.080 like by its, by virtue of being unsatisfying, it points that there is something greater. So it's
00:16:26.580 like there is an interplay that I think can be like useful in the way that we with skincare like
00:16:33.940 we like I think not to not to you know well yes to sort of defend the to spiritualize the
00:16:41.200 consumerism okay but like you and me are not searching for the perfect cream no we're not
00:16:46.860 of course not we are enjoying the process of you know um chasing an ideal and and and trading out
00:16:55.840 our souvenirs it's like i guess like you hope that the souvenir gets bigger and bigger and
00:17:00.340 closer to something profound souvenir hoarding is a culture or it's like it's a deeply human
00:17:06.000 endeavor to collect the souvenirs and to try to buy them right and to try to distance what am i
00:17:10.300 going to do what do i want to do wake up truly empty and like i say empty and like in like the
00:17:14.860 buddhist sense like truly unattached and like finally like no and like i will be no we've
00:17:22.660 never actually want a monk life where it's always been the joke i read the like i read the book by
00:17:30.660 the monk but i would but i don't want the monk's life now there are moments of course okay but even
00:17:35.240 when i'm fantasizing of the monk's life i'm not fantasizing of emptiness and floating around
00:17:39.320 attachment i'm picturing a little room you know a heavenly gorgeous little i'm thinking about the
00:17:43.620 porridge yeah what's the porridge i'm fetishizing the porridge yeah no you know um you've never done
00:17:51.600 of a pasta and a retreat right like it's silent retreat no and you know imagine imagine us us
00:17:58.860 first of all silent poog okay imagine we recorded an hour of us just gazing into each other's eyes
00:18:05.940 yes and and um that would of course require video or would it imagine if listeners listened
00:18:11.540 to an hour of silence oh my god oh what if we got nominated for a grammy for an hour
00:18:17.100 the first silent that's a people that's a podcast yeah um i now yeah thinking about myself because
00:18:26.020 i was talking to a friend who went on one and they were saying like they were talking about it
00:18:30.300 and i was like that is so heroic to me and so like i would be the like 10 day silent retreat
00:18:36.140 on day four i'm probably packing up and leaving or have i achieved this state that's so great that
00:18:41.740 i'm or neither it's utterly banal i mean who knows it just it's genuinely an exotic idea to
00:18:47.380 me like the idea of not speak because you can't write you can't read you can't speak right the
00:18:51.860 fact that you can't write to me that like because i'm immediately imagining hoarding journals in
00:18:56.320 the room you know what i mean like that's is i'm actually is what like it's heavy that i'm like
00:19:03.360 what like i'm like i could do it if i could still tack down language see like privately in the book
00:19:10.140 i'm almost freed i love that you can't read or write because i would then be crushed under that
00:19:15.280 well i'll finally get through some of those novels i'd be like oh completely i can reach
00:19:19.040 read middle march in peace you know like i feel like i would i know i would immediately pivot
00:19:23.600 toward productivity and how to like use that time so it's there's something like wait we're not
00:19:30.240 getting off of this i was gonna say one thing which is like like um i think it's a funny idea
00:19:34.300 like like oh i can quote um like the i can quote like the first three lines of middle march you
00:19:39.700 know why because it's my favorite book no because i've started at 19 i've never made it past page
00:19:44.820 15 yeah you know so i'm like whatever like she had the kind of beauty that's thrown into relief
00:19:50.020 by plain dress or something it's not that that's in there somewhere but like that's but wait the
00:19:56.160 silent retreat i think for you and me you know you and our hands are language okay those are the
00:20:04.240 hands with which we clutch things yeah i think you and me and other things too but so so and that's
00:20:10.400 why talk therapy for us is just more spiraling in the realm we already live in sometimes and trying
00:20:17.580 to solve language problems with language problems and pleasing the therapist which i'm realizing
00:20:22.080 more and more is a huge error that is that is my good little student oh it's it's such i mean 0.98
00:20:29.060 fucking bullshit again well it also can hinder diagnoses yeah uh with depression in particular 0.99
00:20:35.760 charming the therapist they think you're a poet i mean i mean they think they think you're just 1.00
00:20:39.800 anyway i don't i could i'm screaming and i'm taking over when when my energy is
00:20:45.100 but i'm dying to say something about the silence of course
00:20:48.560 you and me for us passing each other quietly in a hallway on another pause on a retreat
00:20:54.900 us like scurrying past each other and yet and yet oh my god can you imagine like the panic i see i
00:21:03.240 feel like i'd start writing like doing mnemonics in my head to remember all the things later i
00:21:07.080 wanted to discuss with you which is obviously not the point i would have to talk to myself
00:21:12.260 i would have to whisper my name to myself well you know what calls to me i mean and i did this
00:21:17.820 at certain periods but like you know four hours of chanting four hours of chanting you know like 0.99
00:21:23.840 like that really calls to me i love chanting yeah that can really lift you high oh shit 0.89
00:21:28.920 and it doesn't matter what it is even i mean it's better i guess to go with one of the seed sounds 0.84
00:21:33.480 but chanting can really because you're vibrating your body god god i don't want to do it i want to
00:21:40.480 do it so bad but but you know it's genius you're gonna die okay it's a genius thing in you pray
00:21:46.460 love i said it all right have you read the book i was waiting for it to come up you've never seen
00:21:51.280 the movie no i've only oh jacqueline will you promise me when you get back to la you're coming
00:21:58.040 over i mean am i really gonna like center you pray love this much and like my fantasy of us
00:22:03.360 having a night together but when it could be so many things it could be so many things but i just
00:22:06.840 think i think we should watch it it's like anyway okay you love it i mean no but it's it's okay it's
00:22:14.760 an important text in the in the in the catalog of contemporary femininity oh my god there it's
00:22:23.260 like very it is it's a it's a stunning artifact of both heaven and hell oh the book like anytime
00:22:31.100 anytime and you know non-fiction is turned into a movie we're gonna have problems it's as simple
00:22:36.800 as that yeah okay like like the form of the memoir means one thing when you try to translate that
00:22:43.140 there's there's just so there's so many there's so many issues there yeah but the book itself
00:22:48.360 is you know elizabeth gilbert talking about her personal experience and and one thing i think is
00:22:54.600 really astute and funny and great is you know so it's eat pray live it's like uh whatever the set
00:23:00.600 pray is is her she goes to an ashram and and it's going to be a silent you know it's going to be four
00:23:06.740 weeks of silence and and six hours of meditation in the morning and this whole thing and she goes
00:23:11.920 and she's so looking forward to the silence to the to not finally not talk she's a writer you
00:23:16.540 know finally not talking all the kind of stuff we're we're romanticizing and the monks um you
00:23:22.800 know or whoever's running it you know they assign the different people their different tasks kind of
00:23:26.680 chop wood carry water you know like here's what you're doing to help out and they recognize her
00:23:31.140 as like a social like you know kind of person yeah and so they assign her like like meet and
00:23:38.460 greet where she does have to talk like they basically assign her like like welcoming the
00:23:43.840 people explaining how everything worked like they assign her the very thing she went there she was
00:23:47.880 going believing that her work was to escape so so and it was like what a relief so she thinks like
00:23:54.860 she's getting wrong she she thinks like they're wronging her kind of at first i thought you're
00:23:59.540 gonna say so they sent her to go like play with the monkeys or something i was expecting oh like
00:24:05.720 like the fix it no like she actually had to surrender like it was actually a higher teaching
00:24:11.860 that's really cool like it'd be like it'd be like that wasn't in the movie that's way more
00:24:16.820 profound wasn't in the movie things in that flick yeah it was slim it out um okay well
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00:27:23.320 know that you heard about closed earth right here on the podcast oh let me let me pull it up what is
00:27:36.480 it a saying it's like good good thing but you'll reach for a saying um good thing bad thing who
00:27:43.700 knows you know that old uh what is that yeah i'm gonna get it because like i always oh okay i have
00:27:51.240 parable that changed my life is it a parable i'm not sure it's a sufi tale okay you ready let's go
00:28:01.740 give it to me give it to me hard wait let me find it i need tales this is why
00:28:07.400 fair we have to be reading i mean it's narrative it's like well i was just trying to oh my god 0.72
00:28:14.160 okay because and i'm not fucking around okay women who run with the wolves either we go and do 0.52
00:28:21.120 totally different new podcast it's just about it that but that you need to work through it 0.94
00:28:26.080 you need to work through women who run with the wolves i own it it's at my parents house yeah 0.74
00:28:30.000 crack the spine okay there once was a farmer who owned a horse and had a son i'm gonna say right 0.81
00:28:35.960 now this was told to me i already know what this is it's fucking changed my life it was one i was 0.59
00:28:40.520 gonna say but the one that i have is like a chinese interpretation interpolation of it could 0.93
00:28:45.040 go interpolation interpolation i've lost it i fucking lost it i used to understand language 0.84
00:28:50.140 I used to have ideas, I used to be able to articulate myself 0.94
00:28:52.300 and then I got Instagram and I donated
00:28:54.440 my life to it
00:28:55.220 and it ends again, I'm not doing it again
00:28:58.580 I'm getting to get smart again
00:28:59.880 Okay, go
00:29:01.160 I was fed an article on Instagram
00:29:03.520 that then I did run off to read
00:29:06.580 New Yorker about
00:29:08.400 you know, teen suicides
00:29:10.580 and social media and the whole thing
00:29:12.320 and I think it was written by Andrew Solomon
00:29:14.680 who wrote Noondate Demon
00:29:15.780 I'm pretty sure
00:29:17.960 okay i'm sorry so not to brag about having read an article in the new yorker so you know well okay
00:29:24.940 no i was just gonna i'll say it now because it never is a thing but you know we don't crassly
00:29:31.880 work on bits okay on the show as you were just saying but i'll just since we did it once i'll
00:29:36.380 just acknowledge it's just i have this like thing about parables because you said parable
00:29:41.800 which is like how I hate 0.99
00:29:43.840 the parable's obvious idiot 1.00
00:29:46.440 okay 1.00
00:29:47.020 like it's such a drag in the story so they're like
00:29:50.160 there were three brothers the first 1.00
00:29:52.160 took the father's money and shoved it up his ass 1.00
00:29:54.600 okay 1.00
00:29:55.040 and you're like okay
00:29:57.720 it's not him
00:29:59.080 do we need
00:30:02.500 him you know what I mean
00:30:03.660 and when they really milk it
00:30:05.900 when they sit there it's hell
00:30:07.600 okay there once was a farmer who owned a horse
00:30:10.220 and had a son one day his horse ran away slower because this changed my life all right there once
00:30:17.060 was a farmer who owned a horse and had a son one day his horse ran away the neighbors came to
00:30:24.340 express their concern oh that's too bad how are you going to work the fields now the farmer replied
00:30:30.820 good thing bad thing who knows in a few days his horse came back and brought another horse with her
00:30:37.920 now the neighbors were glad oh how lucky now you can do twice as much work as before
00:30:43.200 the farmer replied good thing bad thing who knows the next day the farmer's son fell off the new
00:30:50.880 horse and broke his leg and wait for the neighbors here it comes keep going neighbors were concerned
00:30:57.600 again now that he is incapacitated he can't help you around that's too bad the farmer replied good
00:31:04.080 thing bad thing who knows soon the news came that a war broke out and all the young men were required
00:31:10.380 to join the army the villagers were sad because they knew that many of the young men will not
00:31:15.500 come back the father's son could not be drafted because of his broken leg his neighbors were
00:31:21.440 envious being how lucky you get to keep your only son the farmer replied good thing bad thing who
00:31:28.540 knows interesting it ended there that's weird yeah i could have it go on forever i mean i
00:31:37.180 because i i thought i sort of remember it like and he died and good thing bad thing who knows
00:31:43.320 like they really went there i don't the one that i heard wait is this not the tale because
00:31:47.820 something's amiss no no yeah it is no no i just had like you know obviously count no man lucky
00:31:53.860 until he's dead the other thing i always bring up no no i don't count no man lucky until he's
00:31:57.760 I don't know what that is, but I just was saying what I heard was a similar story, but it didn't involve the good thing, bad thing, who knows, repeating phrase at all.
00:32:06.080 It just was like cows, similar things, son's leg being broken.
00:32:10.060 Interesting.
00:32:10.200 And then the army doesn't take him and it ended there.
00:32:13.100 But who among us?
00:32:15.180 It's the same story.
00:32:16.380 No refrain.
00:32:17.420 Yeah.
00:32:17.600 is this does this exist listen or the body will speak is that a book or
00:32:28.720 well i think it no and it's a good title and i think what it's saying is although it is kind
00:32:38.600 of saying that the body will alert you so don't i guess well here's what you know carolyn may is
00:32:42.760 like first you know it's an idea at first it's in the energy field okay you don't handle it there
00:32:47.300 yes it will eventually make itself manifest in the flesh oh okay carolyn mace also sorry i'm
00:32:52.740 dropping it because people were reaching out saying what is the book what is the book and
00:32:55.680 it's entering the castle and it's carolyn mace m-y-s-s okay but you know this this so one time
00:33:01.080 i did a whole it's the body whole whole time thing right and we use that language in order
00:33:05.660 to communicate that of course a swing entirely in one direction you know has the fantasy of
00:33:10.360 it was mushrooms all the time okay the point is it's fun to go flying into that direction okay
00:33:15.280 So like a couple of things.
00:33:17.380 One, first of all, I just want to say one thing
00:33:18.600 that reminded me of earlier is like, you know,
00:33:20.360 she's like, you know, not saying to people,
00:33:23.320 I can't go to dinner because I don't feel well.
00:33:25.280 Yeah.
00:33:25.480 Right. 0.62
00:33:25.700 Because that's illness as power.
00:33:27.400 Right.
00:33:27.580 Right.
00:33:27.760 So what does she say?
00:33:28.400 Okay.
00:33:28.560 And if you cling to illness as power and then you,
00:33:31.020 she's like, you have so little backbone
00:33:33.180 that you cannot just say that you don't want to go.
00:33:36.160 You have to say there's an outside force
00:33:37.880 of an illness inside your body.
00:33:39.140 And then you wonder why you wake up with a headache. 1.00
00:33:42.980 Like when it's your only fucking power. 0.99
00:33:44.160 I'm about to throw up. 0.99
00:33:45.000 I don't want to go because I don't want to go.
00:33:49.560 This was actually huge, huge for me.
00:33:52.500 To own it.
00:33:53.900 Your husband could be there.
00:33:56.320 Did we talk about this?
00:33:57.380 Because this is so...
00:33:59.040 No, you're saying that.
00:34:00.700 Yeah, that's like a disease in the family that was passed down.
00:34:04.740 You can meet, but you can meet your husband there.
00:34:09.460 From my grandmother to my mother to me.
00:34:11.520 It kills me.
00:34:12.240 Yeah. Versus like at home, you could stumble across in an idea, in a book, an idea that'll
00:34:20.540 ignite your intellect. The most important moments of your life are when you're alone.
00:34:25.240 Who said that? Freaking. You. Joan Didion or some shit. It's maybe Susan Sontag. Yeah.
00:34:30.320 One of these whores said like the most important things that happen, happen to you when you're 1.00
00:34:37.020 alone and it's the truth and it was being alone with the body the whole time but wait so so one 1.00
00:34:44.420 that was the one thing get a backbone say you just don't want to go to dinner own up she's like
00:34:48.640 stop lying to yourself and others yeah like she was like if you just are someone who I don't want
00:34:55.300 to do what I don't want to do when I don't want to do it or I want to do what I want to do when
00:34:58.700 I want to do it she's like hot that's fine like own up to it doesn't mean that you have to embrace
00:35:04.120 that as a moral stance okay that was huge for me because i was like like i'm like that sounds like
00:35:09.520 an ugly character trait to be that person yeah and then it's like no there are people who do that
00:35:15.220 and they're fucking fine and they still contribute to the world whatever that was huge and then the
00:35:19.880 other one was just oh yeah she's like these people come to her workshops whatever and they're like 0.92
00:35:25.100 what is my greatest like purpose my highest potential like like what can you see in me
00:35:28.860 whatever because of her like intuition and stuff they kind of like go that angle or like they just
00:35:32.880 they're like I'm trying to like find like my purpose okay and she's like you have a job
00:35:39.740 okay she's like love it okay she's like she's like she's like um she's like all these people
00:35:46.540 come to me they want to talk about their highest purpose okay when they can't even function at
00:35:52.700 their lowest level they can't chop wood they can't get and then we'll talk okay they can't
00:35:58.720 get out of bed. They can't motivate themselves to go for a walk when their body says, go for a walk,
00:36:04.580 okay? Or when their mind or whatever, when their intuition says, I should really move.
00:36:08.840 And you think you're going to, you think, well, the classic, you think you're going to heal,
00:36:14.860 okay? Your leg inflammation, okay? With your mind, okay? You think you're going to dissolve
00:36:21.220 a bursitis, okay? With your mind when you can't even rally your consciousness enough to forgive
00:36:27.840 your father-in-law yeah yeah okay are you kidding have the conversation she's like so they're like
00:36:36.280 i'm not getting any intuitive hits are you ready this is huge yeah she's like they come i want to
00:36:41.900 develop my intuition i want to develop my intuition how do i how do i get better at she's like your
00:36:47.000 problem is you don't listen to the ones you're getting you're flooded with quote intuition
00:36:51.760 all day, okay? You don't like it because it's not big, huge, okay? It's not, you know, the mystic
00:36:59.760 being said, go to this tree, dig here, and you'll find the holy healing water down here, okay?
00:37:05.060 She goes, the mystics got the big messages because they listened to the small messages, okay?
00:37:10.340 The gods, okay, God, whatever, knew, they listened. So you think you're going to get a hit about what
00:37:16.280 your purpose is in life, direct, okay? When you get a hit that you need to move your body around
00:37:21.360 and you cannot motivate yourself
00:37:22.500 to go walk around the neighborhood? 1.00
00:37:23.840 Are you fucking kidding? 0.99
00:37:25.420 Okay, so she goes, 0.99
00:37:26.760 they got the big hits
00:37:27.760 because they listened to the small ones.
00:37:29.700 Begin a relationship with your soul.
00:37:31.880 Well, say it again.
00:37:33.080 Is that not amazing?
00:37:36.040 I was crying.
00:37:36.660 No, bring a relationship with your soul.
00:37:38.520 And again, it's like all of our, you know,
00:37:40.600 all of man's suffering comes
00:37:41.680 from not being able to sit in a room alone, right?
00:37:43.380 Or whatever.
00:37:43.820 It's like listening to the self.
00:37:46.240 And here's another headline.
00:37:47.180 Have the conversation.
00:37:48.520 Have the conversation.
00:37:50.080 And if you're listening to me, you know what I'm talking about.
00:37:53.140 If I say out in the airways, hey, have that conversation.
00:37:56.340 Everyone listening going, well, I know what she's talking about.
00:37:59.260 Have the conversation.
00:38:01.520 Wait, I can't tell though.
00:38:02.380 I'm sorry.
00:38:03.080 I'm going to be dense.
00:38:03.920 I'm being imbued with some sick force.
00:38:05.760 Do you mean with people?
00:38:07.340 Or do you mean with yourself?
00:38:08.720 Or do you mean whatever it is?
00:38:10.780 Sure, both.
00:38:11.680 But I also mean, well, Jacqueline, I was texting you.
00:38:14.360 We were both crying.
00:38:15.380 You met with people.
00:38:16.160 You know that I had, I had, and there's nothing huge,
00:38:18.920 but I had like a huge breakthrough with my mother, right?
00:38:21.680 Had the conversation.
00:38:23.100 Yes.
00:38:23.500 Wasn't, didn't wake up going, I'm going to do it today.
00:38:25.480 Oh, okay.
00:38:25.900 So yeah, yeah.
00:38:26.840 Massive intergenerational healing,
00:38:28.360 literally crying of gratitude with the healing.
00:38:30.440 Yeah.
00:38:30.900 Literally healed the lineage. 0.98
00:38:31.780 My great, great grandmother just now went,
00:38:34.040 oh, I'm released. 0.98
00:38:34.560 Healed the lineage backwards.
00:38:36.700 Right.
00:38:37.200 We got to go backwards.
00:38:38.400 Me, me, me.
00:38:38.940 It's all me, me, me. 1.00
00:38:40.120 What about your fucking dead ancestors? 1.00
00:38:43.260 Heal the lineage. 1.00
00:38:44.080 Maybe send it back. 0.97
00:38:45.180 Yeah.
00:38:45.440 Send it back up the line.
00:38:46.700 You're made of them. 0.65
00:38:47.560 that is I think
00:38:49.520 you're made of them
00:38:50.320 you're going
00:38:50.800 what's this
00:38:51.700 you're going
00:38:52.120 and that's the thing
00:38:52.820 the amorphous quality
00:38:53.920 of being alive
00:38:54.380 the emotions
00:38:54.840 oh my god
00:38:55.820 what is that
00:38:56.360 well maybe it's not you
00:38:57.600 maybe it's your great
00:38:58.340 great great great
00:38:59.080 great grandmother
00:38:59.920 and maybe she needs you
00:39:01.220 to just do a little
00:39:02.040 something for her
00:39:02.680 sometimes 0.99
00:39:03.340 maybe just do a little 0.94
00:39:05.100 something for her
00:39:05.960 a little something
00:39:07.360 and then you'll go
00:39:08.480 oh
00:39:08.940 yeah
00:39:09.160 well also then again
00:39:11.120 you ignore them
00:39:12.060 and then you expect
00:39:12.860 you expect guidance
00:39:13.900 you expect them to come
00:39:15.060 into the Walmart
00:39:15.640 okay
00:39:16.220 and pick a fruit jam for you when you know what I mean when the photo isn't even up on the desk
00:39:21.740 I mean that's another thing I'm actually not proud of this I actually slapped my own sheet
00:39:31.260 I did like a I slapped myself in the face yesterday you don't have to be you don't have to be it was
00:39:35.460 fine but then and then by the way and even as I did it right after I was like I was a little over
00:39:39.080 the top but no but I was doing a couple of these little things like I was I was like because I was
00:39:44.400 raging. Right. And I was like, I don't want to do the dishes. And there weren't that many. I was
00:39:47.600 like, just do them, bitch. And so then I did them. And then it was like, kind of exciting. Like I had 1.00
00:39:52.120 in a semi rage, taking a picture off the wall, like, or off like a frame thing. Cause it was
00:39:56.980 like annoying me. And I was like, no. And I took it off. I'm not living with that anymore. And I
00:40:01.480 was like, I have to put it back. I have to put it back. And I was like, I don't want to get the
00:40:04.360 chair and stand on the chair. And I was like, you're doing it. And then I did it. And then I
00:40:08.400 was like, Whoa. And then I became a little bit euphoric and I started to calm down. And I was
00:40:12.520 like and i was like i don't want to meditate because i had meditated oh that's what i did
00:40:16.320 so i was like i can't bring myself to meditate so you know what i did i went outside i sat in
00:40:20.320 the chair i just did like deep breathing for like 10 seconds the comedy because i just like
00:40:25.240 i can't explain it the comedy of you suffering alone is very funny in this way like like if i
00:40:31.280 just had a video because you're like so not alone you're very like bring people in call a friend
00:40:35.820 whatever whatever so you're just like stewing and sort of marching out to your deck and sitting
00:40:38.900 It's good for the steely face with a steely face. I don't know why I could picture you. There's a comedy to use. But wait, I'm dying to go back. Wait, hold on. But the rage and the destroying something. Oh, but they're like, well, I don't want to. You're like, you're like, I should do this, but I don't want to do the dishes. Right. It's truly like we have no middle way. Okay. And this is and I'm not going to go deep into my my young book. Okay. But there but this idea of the Medusa and the Athena or whatever. Okay. These extremes that live in us.
00:41:08.280 and that's not the realm of people okay but the point is where's the human okay we don't live in
00:41:13.740 the realm of the gods okay and we shouldn't right but we all do like we do it in this way that keeps 0.99
00:41:18.380 us we animate them from like monster who's like you fucking bitch why can't you clean up you piece 1.00
00:41:23.960 of shit you know what i mean like or whatever okay and then like i don't want to i'm a woman 1.00
00:41:28.020 of pleasure okay like these these like these extreme sort of characters that we like let 0.99
00:41:33.280 war within us and swing back and forth because the central the the third way the middle way
00:41:40.080 whatever sounds like a bore a healthy ego deciding like like gently being like you know saying no to
00:41:47.680 either god essentially to either extreme yeah oh well that sounds joyless it sounds joyless and
00:41:53.540 doesn't young say like i think neurosis is a scorned god and also this idea of like you have
00:41:59.000 to live brilliant i love the way he talks about the little people meaning like inside you are all
00:42:04.420 these there are these dramas constantly unraveling within yourself and like yes they have lives of
00:42:09.440 their own and they have relationships of their own like separate from you oh my god and it's like
00:42:13.620 really beautiful to be like there's a thief in you who's running away from you know it's like
00:42:18.980 there's all these like constant thief and he calls them little people it's so sweet to think
00:42:23.460 that's like little sweet makes them small archetypes constantly small see the small
00:42:28.580 archetype this is huge no because the small archetype i'm like okay does that give you a
00:42:33.420 feeling of like you know gentle loving curiosity towards them you know what i'm saying because
00:42:37.620 you're imagining them as like as small versus i tend to picture the archetype as like outside of
00:42:42.460 me huge and like rolling through me because i think of it as like yeah like a giant god and
00:42:48.920 because it's collective i make it larger even though of course the collective can now i think
00:42:53.000 it was like a little puppet show small you know those like things where it's like a little puppet
00:42:56.440 in the chest it's a it's in my chest yeah and like you know did you ever have as a kid oh here comes
00:43:01.860 a childhood memory it's coming to the surface it's coming did you ever have that little thing
00:43:05.460 where it's a magnet and you hold the magnet underneath and then there's a there's a little
00:43:08.620 pawn i'm sorry like a little figure with a magnet on the bottom and then it sets down on the the
00:43:14.440 stage and you move it from below you move it from below well i'm like was i raised in the 16th
00:43:19.340 century like the fact that i had that toy well and that now you know no sorry i'm just i'm
00:43:25.280 breaking news breaking news i never had one as a child i never had one as a child
00:43:29.900 my primal wound is like yeah it's like the eyes leaving me for a moment like like like not being
00:43:43.760 and then direct like just for a moment someone's eyes but don't you also here's another object
00:43:51.080 is that enacted drama actually what you need right so like i don't mean actually what you need for
00:43:57.080 health i mean like is it that that's the wound and you suffer from it or do you love the dance
00:44:03.140 okay of fearing the eye leaving keeping the eye on you then the eye leaving suffering bringing it
00:44:08.620 back no i'm saying like do you enjoy that dance which again okay it's like the idea is like what
00:44:13.880 you know what harms us are not our wounds it's our defenses against them right is the idea much
00:44:19.060 like freud the neuroses the repression is the neuroses wait wait wait all right sorry so it's
00:44:26.080 like if the eyes leave me instead of going oh the eyes have left me and here i am and no one's
00:44:31.620 looking and going still alive still alive i'm still here so i can maybe have my own observation
00:44:37.940 i can maybe have some pleasure here instead of kind of sitting in that discomfort or that whatever
00:44:44.100 you want to call it it's like well i better start tap dancing at a very high frequency now to get
00:44:51.160 the eyes back and so that is sort of my defense in childhood grab them back still yeah it's like
00:44:56.900 we'll get it back by any means necessary right and then you're banging on the door of the funny
00:45:00.700 bone yeah and i think now it's like embarrassing almost to admit but i feel like now i'm trying
00:45:05.740 to experience more of like okay you know what even if no one's watching i'm watching like i'm
00:45:11.220 watching me guess what my own gaze has value yeah and also being like oh how interesting like it
00:45:17.380 kind of hit me yesterday i was doing a quick bath as i tend to do four times a day and i was like
00:45:23.100 it was after i've been raging i've been raging tearing through the house and then i hung up the
00:45:27.940 picture and i washed the dish and i did some deep breathing and i was like look at you like i actually
00:45:32.820 felt I was able to be like you felt good job yeah I was able to be it's like it's reparenting I was
00:45:38.220 able to be like oh wow like look at you you were really upset you did these things you took care
00:45:43.020 of yourself and now look there's time for a bath and I was able to read for a few minutes okay it
00:45:47.300 was huge but I was in the bath and I was talking to myself and I was like or I had this moment this
00:45:52.260 feeling which was robbed of me or maybe something I haven't felt since I was a kid and being an only
00:45:56.440 child and really feeling like oh no one's around or something like I had this feeling of like oh
00:46:02.140 I get to have a little private show for myself of myself. Like I was like, I can't quite describe
00:46:08.840 it. But there was this actual feeling of like, oh, even if no one else sees it, I'm seeing what
00:46:14.120 I'm doing. And like, and almost like I get to have secrets, not that the secrets or anything.
00:46:20.240 This is huge. But I actually felt like it was kind of a huge revelation for me to feel that and to
00:46:26.880 not feel lonely or not feel something of grasping for the presence of the other. I actually had a
00:46:32.000 last night jacqueline i went to text you flailing in the night i went to text you and i stopped
00:46:36.260 myself and i literally like spoke to god instead and like brilliant kate well and it helped brilliant
00:46:43.760 yeah no no no i um okay you and me live in our heads blah blah blah we think of ourselves as oh
00:46:50.520 we're the ultimate of like you know these interior living kind of people right we live in our heads
00:46:54.620 we think we can think our way through everything etc etc but i i but i don't always realize that
00:47:01.040 you can have an interior chamber. Okay. That is a place where like you and yourself can be
00:47:07.840 literally cozy. Okay. Now, now the way that I define that, like, so my discovery of that as a
00:47:13.420 child, and I feel like, because we're talking about micro it's, this is all like my book and
00:47:17.020 I'm embarrassed when I'm recounting my own book, but whatever, who cares? Okay. But anyway, like
00:47:21.060 as a child, I'd experienced this thing, a couple of things. One was like, we had desks that, you
00:47:25.640 know, you could stick your hands right in that classic school desk that you can stick your books
00:47:29.360 in yeah and like if you put your hands and no one can see them and i used to feel this like cozy
00:47:33.860 feeling okay inside the desk about like almost like i'm gonna move my little eraser around in
00:47:38.400 there like i'm putting on a little play of puppets okay but like where my pencil is my friend my
00:47:43.600 eraser is my friend like even the side of this book is my friend okay and these are little like
00:47:47.500 no one can see but i could put on a whole play in here and then i realized the next level because i
00:47:52.740 don't even need objects that i'm trying to obscure from view i was like no one can see inside my
00:47:57.680 mouth. Okay. And so I was like, I can put on a little play with my tongue inside my mouth with
00:48:03.180 my mouth closed. So my mouth is closed. And I'm moving my tongue around and they're dancing a
00:48:06.460 little to the right. Try it. Close your mouth. Close your mouth. This is so profound and sweet. 0.92
00:48:10.800 Dance your tongue around in there. Okay. Okay. So I was like, okay, this man was like, oh my God,
00:48:14.780 no one can see it. I'm like loving it. And then of course, you know, I guess the next level,
00:48:18.600 you know, as an adult would be to realize that, oh, you could create a place of peace, joy, 0.93
00:48:23.960 play whatever the fuck you know joy i've never the word has always bothered me but something 0.72
00:48:28.200 right something intriguing solidarity can occur in the interior interior and i've been thinking a 0.99
00:48:34.640 lot recently i've been lying there after a gummy frankly after a gummy and by a gummy i mean four
00:48:40.460 gummies okay let the THC guys do what they do yeah okay my body always requires high dose of
00:48:46.640 anything to have an effect so i'm lying there on my i guess cantha canna i'm waiting for free bags
00:48:52.020 thank you um we'll reach out we'll reach out well you're what okay keep going marijuana gummies oh
00:48:57.220 god i got it okay i want all right so i'm lying there and i'm like oh my god can you be safe
00:49:02.740 inside of your own interiority from anything okay now i know that it feels a little bit like i'm
00:49:07.920 trying to avoid pain which you know what else no i don't i don't see that there can i go no matter
00:49:13.220 what so i fear things like i get really upset if i think someone doesn't like me or a quote
00:49:18.220 misunderstands me right you know my intention is this you interpret it as this i want to die
00:49:22.340 until i've corrected their imagined perception you know which might not even be their perception
00:49:27.580 right it haunts me the disease of perception baby yeah okay of course so and that's something that
00:49:32.800 you know i try to work through whatever and get over but it's like it's almost like okay what if
00:49:38.080 someone said i hate you okay like i know can i is there a shield like can i at any moment or or i
00:49:45.640 mean it's a little bit or like great pains like someone i love dies okay like is there a place
00:49:50.420 where you can almost go like but i'm safe like yes i think that we can cultivate that and i don't
00:49:56.780 think it's wrong i think it's a healthy this is i think it might be the healthy version of
00:50:01.600 dissociation that's the life's work i don't see that as like spiritual bypassing or some kind of
00:50:07.240 like thing of like avoiding pain the pain is inevitable suffering is inevitable we're not
00:50:11.860 have pain and so it's like how can you accept pain feel pain embrace pain walk toward the pain
00:50:21.260 and yet still have some kind of a inner fortress or inner experience or inner world where you're
00:50:27.160 able to safely have pain like that's almost well it's like being identifying with the witness i
00:50:33.280 mean this is classic meditation stuff but it's like it's like there's your thoughts there's your
00:50:36.480 emotions there's your body whatever who's experiencing all those like who's who's the
00:50:40.000 thinker behind the thoughts who's who's seeing it all right and this is a full circle this is a full
00:50:44.740 circle because to meditation yes the 20 minute room okay that unfortunately i pictured as a blank
00:50:49.720 room but perhaps i could put a little sofa in mine's dark blue yes it can be it can be i mean
00:50:55.280 one thing relatedly that i always that i thought was huge and i'm never gonna recover from your
00:50:59.660 hands and the hands and the desk and that it's so profound and there's so much i will say the
00:51:05.060 joy there's so much yes there's so much there and it's like again going back to like our life's work
00:51:11.340 is to become ourselves right or to like or like to actually like what would it be to like actually
00:51:16.340 become myself or extend myself to the furthest reaches of like my desires or my own neurosis
00:51:23.040 or whatever my own nature right the soul all of this like and by having a little puppet show in
00:51:28.100 your desk that is a way to you know to honor that or to just right no it's existence it's like right
00:51:35.040 it's well it is kind of like between you and god in this way right yeah it's you and you or you
00:51:39.500 could say it's you in the universe like i do exist when alone you know i do exist when but
00:51:44.920 and for some reason i guess for me it's almost like that yeah that felt like school and other
00:51:50.080 people always felt like just this brutal cold wind right like the second you're in school it's like
00:51:56.980 the wind of just everything and everyone and like it was just a way of creating a little space you
00:52:03.340 know what it was it was this is kind of interesting it's almost like a secret or doing anything that
00:52:08.520 you're not talking about or you're not sharing with other people literally create space that
00:52:13.620 they are not aware of and thus created more space for yourself to exist in because you've created a
00:52:19.200 bigger world that they can't enter like that's wild and this is like a huge thing for me i actually
00:52:24.100 think and i've been doing a lot of this like path working stuff right now and a lot of stuff about
00:52:27.280 you know creating mental palaces not for memory i gave that up years ago okay not for trying to
00:52:31.840 you know mnemonics and whatever okay masonic palaces and the head there's more is a different
00:52:37.120 thing but i've been come so aware of how we like narrow our interiority to the space of our head
00:52:44.520 like we keep it so small when of course the brain is infinite and i think part of the reason it feels
00:52:48.920 so small is because the brain we experience this little television screen in our head and we're
00:52:53.220 like you can only watch one thing at a time almost right so it's just coming in and you're in the
00:52:56.940 present. And it's like, no, what if I built out piece by piece, my own little mental world
00:53:03.100 living alone? No, but like, but like, like, and some of this gets into my, um, like spiritual
00:53:10.580 psychological materialism. Okay. Where I start to fantasize about like, well, you know, then this
00:53:15.180 does become where it's about avoiding pain in some ways. Okay. Or preparing for pain where it's
00:53:19.280 like, well, I need to have a room where I work on my pain and that room in my head is going to look
00:53:22.820 like this. And it's going to have these quotes hanging on the wall in my head. Okay. I'm
00:53:26.160 permanently preparing myself for like the death of my mother because i've always been like when 0.75
00:53:29.560 my mom dies i'm going to kill myself right like and that's actually something i'm only now starting 0.59
00:53:35.160 to be like guess what i won't you know no i i used to feel like it's we should commit suicide when 0.97
00:53:39.960 they when i go and by the way there's nothing wrong with preparing yourself for the pain to
00:53:44.980 come or to acknowledge we we have suffered we are suffering we will suffer like that is like
00:53:50.140 right that is the guarantee that is the truth and i think via meditation like we do have to
00:53:55.760 cultivate these rooms in ourselves because we have to be able to live in here. Yes. And also
00:54:01.380 there are, you know, rooms inside yourself that you've never been that can be so helpful or offer
00:54:06.620 some kind of comfort and imagine the power. I mean, that's all anybody wants. Like you just
00:54:10.720 want to feel like you're okay. And so it's like, imagine if being like, oh, like I actually will
00:54:15.380 be okay. Or wow. I'm no, no, I'm with you. Like I just, no, no, no, I'm going to work on the
00:54:21.720 interior palace and I'm going to get very like over the top with it. Cause I have this whole
00:54:25.400 plan which i'm gonna go outside my home i was thinking about this yesterday you know who i am 0.81
00:54:28.860 i'm fucking tool man tim like i get an idea and i'm like okay we're gonna drive it to its like 0.80
00:54:33.260 to its extreme but i was thinking like i go out on my sidewalk and i'd like learn my sidewalk okay 0.95
00:54:37.240 like to a point of like i know it's so well i know every lamp and then i was gonna hang things
00:54:41.720 okay along my journey so i could always go on that walk alone in my head uh in addition to outside
00:54:47.440 whatever it's in the lamps is beautiful it doesn't it sound great hanging like a little and then you
00:54:51.820 could take the walk and see the things that you love hey and by the way sometimes you can only
00:54:54.940 if you can hang a lamp it can be a slow process but imagine then the path that in your life you
00:55:00.240 can maintain track or cultivate no it's like you no one builds a palace in their mind when you
00:55:05.500 could we build palaces like ramshackle palaces of hell okay like cobbled together from one trauma
00:55:12.740 to the next yeah it's like what if we used our creative visualization abilities to create
00:55:18.040 something more pleasing for ourselves and then we could also do it and we could meet on the astral
00:55:21.360 plane and visit each other's palaces which would be hell yeah all right we gotta get out of here
00:55:26.020 i really needed this today i love things to do i mean take walks inside my brain i want to meditate
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