Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - REMIX： The Hags Talk Film & Television

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00:02:14.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:15.580 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:16.640 And this is Poogh, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

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00:02:27.140 This is Hoog. 1.00

00:02:28.540 Hello to the hags.

00:02:30.360 This week we have a special remix.

00:02:32.920 Jacqueline and I are in different countries, if you can imagine,

00:02:36.920 and quite simply couldn't get it together schedule-wise to record this week.

00:02:41.360 So we have an exciting remix.

00:02:43.960 This week, what some have called a remix,

00:02:46.620 a revisitation and a recontextualization of specialty clips

00:02:51.240 in the filmic and television range.

00:02:54.720 somebody hurt me too much somebody hurt me too deep somebody sit in my chair

00:03:06.080 and ruin my sleep and make me aware of being alive

00:03:11.940 i just want to say i liked that song before it was a marriage story oh so i actually

00:03:22.280 of course i loved that movie and i wept i wept when adam driver sang it or a single tear did

00:03:28.880 fall he sings it i've been crying i've never seen the film i've only seen i really liked it i thought

00:03:34.020 people needed to relax people that were like in what world do people like i don't know what the

00:03:40.920 criticism was but i was like relax no you know how hard it is to make a decent indie these days

00:03:46.400 oh my god what do you want do you want marriage story or do you just want the avengers yeah or

00:03:56.440 do you want a movie about a broom that 4.2 people see but that's incredible imagine if there was a

00:04:03.360 movie okay because i know we think a lot about the essence of you as being cast as a broom okay

00:04:08.200 or sort of a general question but it's like it's like imagine imagine how infuriating it would be

00:04:16.180 if there was a movie in which someone was cast as a broom and you didn't get the role i'd be

00:04:20.700 furious because i've been talking about playing a broom for years yeah literally years and it would

00:04:24.720 be maybe i should write like a pixar movie movie about brooms no no no no i i hope my head i wasn't

00:04:33.300 i wasn't searching your face for a glimmer of hope no i was actually like i was already like

00:04:37.140 moving into plotting the middle of act two okay that's our next business venture first we get

00:04:43.180 rich from the podcast yes and then we launch a animation studio because it's easy you know well

00:04:50.300 a jar of milk can't find its lid boom i remember once reading something like pixar or something

00:04:57.280 like literally being like like you're you know you're a pixar person like you know you're meant

00:05:01.160 to work at the studio of dreams or whatever like like if you're someone who worries about the bike

00:05:06.400 being cold outside and went in the grass and it's like and it's like yeah like i get that

00:05:11.720 it is cute and you're like kind of like you're like that's me you know but it's also like I feel

00:05:16.680 like at least like 50 percent of the population also like animates objects you know what I mean

00:05:21.740 like I feel like that's one of those things like are you someone okay like you know it was my

00:05:25.660 really irritated me like at 12 okay like I was always really annoyed when people acted like

00:05:30.400 like they're like I'm um like a little thing about me I I eat only the marshmallows out of

00:05:36.600 the lucky charms yeah okay like i go through the box okay like yeah yeah the charms out and by the

00:05:43.740 and then there's nothing but the other stuff okay yeah it was always like this like thing like yeah

00:05:49.300 like everyone likes the marshmallow you know what i mean but anyway yeah it's like are you someone

00:05:52.680 who you know then you belong at pixar imagine someone going into a pixar interview and just

00:05:57.260 being like like trying to like milk that but like in a fresh way right like constantly feeling bad

00:06:02.440 for the objects in the pitch meeting room oh my god maybe someone's idea of you what's scary is

00:06:12.360 someone who doesn't know you but has an idea of you or exactly i mean i you know you know my mind

00:06:18.440 went maryland goddamn monroe the poor girl these mega celebrities they are courted to hell i was

00:06:26.440 i was moments from saying it marilyn no but but but these you know these these celebrity figures 0.97

00:06:33.220 robert downey jr who's who's i mean everyone loves him actually who are people oh yeah like

00:06:38.640 celebrities like yeah people are really oh no no yeah and like i don't even want to name them

00:06:44.000 because i don't want to participate in their whatever like in their the age of them but i

00:06:47.860 do think that like um i do think that these celebrities perfect example what you like you 1.00

00:06:53.940 could argue like the fucking shame of a nation projected onto her oh i mean the fact that she's

00:07:00.700 still alive is shocking yeah i mean she and reveals that she is like a healer you know what 0.98

00:07:07.680 i mean like she's a talk about a wounded healer archetype she's the strongest woman that's ever

00:07:12.900 lived imagine her self-care i know what she has had to do her desert she had to walk through at 1.00

00:07:19.320 age 23 or whatever a pound of baking soda couldn't even clear linda trips cord oh yeah and in the

00:07:29.340 nation i mean like to take on the hatred of the nation or like the whatever of the nation biblical

00:07:35.160 like loathing sometimes i've thought like that there is power in um like for public figures 0.93

00:07:42.100 having a different name like having a stage name whatever has some value oh damn that's cool

00:07:49.240 okay because that's cool energetically to have people thinking your name to me the name is like 0.65

00:07:56.620 an energetic um pinpoint what is the name it is no hair no foot are you immediately like uh jumping

00:08:05.660 to the baslerman version when you or are you just loosely i'm claire danes okay actually always 0.99

00:08:11.120 annoyed me her delivery of that no me too i know it's like funny oh they're talking about a dick 0.97

00:08:15.220 really but i was always like come off it's life it was embarrassing and she goes no any other part 0.98

00:08:21.260 belonging to a man and then she's like no kate i couldn't agree more i i've always felt this it

00:08:27.040 was and this is huge for me they they i mean this is one of my big complaints about the modern

00:08:31.580 performance of shakespeare okay is leaning way too hard into like the yes he did make a sexual

00:08:36.560 reference okay like no any other part belonging to it like it was it was very like throw it away

00:08:43.640 throw it away pretend it's just a script just use it as words you don't need to like hammer it in

00:08:50.240 right like just use the words because in real life guess what here's what i would argue about

00:08:54.940 the performance in real life if you're saying something like that it's a little sexual a little

00:08:59.540 you kind of breeze past it maybe you're a little embarrassed you're a little it's kind of an

00:09:03.500 afterthought like no i'm not talking about that right right instead of kind of being like

00:09:08.180 like what is romeo right is that what it is what is romeo oh wait and she's literally alone no

00:09:14.940 she's like capulet montague like montague what is montague like but a name and what did she say that

00:09:20.720 to him or is she alone she's alone she's like that's what i thought yeah it's romeo or romeo

00:09:26.020 right it's oh no it's later it's later no i think it is wherefore the romeo i gotta rewatch the

00:09:31.080 basleurman because i gotta say it's in my top 10 it's perfection i think it really is in my top 10

00:09:36.340 know it's huge in movies closely uh a close like a tight shot of a like adolescent or woman in

00:09:44.060 general okay underwater in a bathtub with open eyes holding her breath like i mean they do it in

00:09:51.200 there it's everywhere you know i'm like is that a male fantasy of what like female like like like

00:09:56.640 contemplation looks like like what we do alone well also what is the deal in horror movies it's

00:10:02.580 always a woman in a bathtub or it's always an old wench in a bathtub who's like it's always a woman

00:10:09.220 in a bathtub i mean the shining has like holding the sides of the bed like like it's um oh yeah 0.72

00:10:15.940 no no no like why are we like no and honestly it's like it's like the woman is it just from

00:10:20.880 yeah i'm done with if someone's crawling on the ceiling i'm not watching your movie if someone's

00:10:26.500 crawling on the ceiling i mean i'm watching it i'm loving it do you want to know that the number

00:10:30.160 yes but do you want to know the number one i i i accept you know tropes are not inherently bad

00:10:37.500 whatever whatever part of the language of however if this can never if this if i see it again and i

00:10:44.880 will every time i think they're not going to do it every time i think there's no way they're going

00:10:48.240 to do it they do it are you ready the demon the ghost the whatever is revealed through the child's

00:10:53.980 drawings oh okay and it's like it's like going to room they start their eyes darting around at the

00:11:01.420 child's drawing look they all have the red man the red man right right right the hat man the hat man

00:11:06.380 and then it's like it's like they start flipping through and it's like it's like he's there in

00:11:10.140 every photo and then like the harsh crayon scribbling i'm like why isn't it like if like

00:11:16.800 who doesn't even i would be annoyed even with this and yet they don't even do this they go like okay

00:11:21.180 well let's like say like so they find it in the children's drawing well we're not gonna do

00:11:23.820 print drawings obviously it's been done a million times how about you know you have what else could

00:11:28.140 the kid what other kind of art could the kid do or whatever kind of like collage expression yeah

00:11:32.540 great sculpture okay like he's he's been turning his like mashed potatoes into the baby's been

00:11:39.580 turning their little mashed potatoes like into it that's cool okay anything so easy to make it

00:11:45.020 better and like furious anyway anyway anyway have you ever laughed at a joke as a linesman your

00:11:51.740 friend goes and your friend sees you laugh really hard and you go wait well i missed it what did

00:11:55.200 they say you go i don't know yeah it's humiliating you don't know it's like humiliating myself i think

00:12:01.580 of myself going to see napoleon dynamite i must have been i don't know it's like the ninth grade

00:12:05.580 here we go here we go hated it the whole time screaming with laughter to impress the boys right

00:12:11.120 No. And like, and, you know, and everyone was going crazy. And I was like, and tears rolling

00:12:16.560 down my cheeks, convulsing. No, you've got to that point. This is shit. This is some cheesy

00:12:22.360 shit. Again, my tongue is held. I have so much to say. And yet my tongue is held because I don't 1.00

00:12:27.000 want to insult another artist's work on poop. And also another point of why I don't want to

00:12:32.520 speak negatively of other people's work, because it's like, I mean, this is saying the complete

00:12:37.300 obvious but it somehow suggests that my work is so you know impenetrable perfect that right but

00:12:43.140 like like it's just it's it's um right although we are all you know the tyrannical sorry i don't

00:12:49.920 know why i gave an a sound that i don't i sound like a british actress trying to speak american

00:12:53.400 you know they always do the a sound like in a way that i'm like i can't locate accents like i can't

00:12:58.000 locate like an actress covering one i the only one i recognize is when they're like like i was

00:13:02.600 highly caffeinated that's not it uh what did i just say there is a moment tyrannical tyrannical

00:13:07.280 i was like tyrannical and i'm like what's the show that everyone the nicole kidman hugh jackman show

00:13:11.820 the the the the the the the what stop stop okay i had to say something i had to say something

00:13:16.740 this is something new where i'm forgetting things but then i make myself the rupture the the the

00:13:22.700 do not tell me under no circumstance tell me i will not listen to me two days ago i could not

00:13:27.500 for the life of me remember what the movie a star is where it was called i was like lady gaga and

00:13:32.080 read the Cooper in and I would not allow myself to look it up and it almost took 24 hours and I

00:13:36.840 was obsessing about it I was like is it one word is it one word and then finally I forgot about it

00:13:42.420 and then I was eating a banana stars born it just came to me out of nowhere right so right now I

00:13:46.020 have to the the the it's something about rupture fragment again this is the HBO Nicole Kidman

00:13:50.760 Hugh Grant okay hang on the the um you did you say Hugh Grant because I heard uh Wolfman I said

00:13:58.560 I heard Wolfman, and I can't remember the name of Hugh Jackman's movie where he's a wolfman.

00:14:03.400 The, the.

00:14:04.400 What is that movie?

00:14:05.380 Stop, stop.

00:14:05.640 The rupturing, the fracturing, their marriage is falling apart.

00:14:08.780 Oh, wait, don't tell me.

00:14:09.500 Don't tell me.

00:14:10.040 Because I can't remember either.

00:14:10.880 Don't tell me.

00:14:11.420 If you get it, don't tell me.

00:14:12.500 If you get it, don't tell me.

00:14:13.060 I didn't know we were talking about Jackman.

00:14:14.720 Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:14:15.640 Don't you dare say it if you get it.

00:14:17.180 I'm not going to.

00:14:18.220 Okay, wait, wait.

00:14:18.920 I don't remember.

00:14:19.680 Okay.

00:14:19.980 It's something.

00:14:20.620 Okay.

00:14:20.980 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:14:23.540 have you watched the blah blah blah i feel like it's a the something right i know that it's the

00:14:27.880 something okay it's the the the okay hold on don't you dare i know you're gonna break the rule i know

00:14:33.380 you're gonna i will tell you if i know i won't tell you what it is i swear okay hang on let me

00:14:36.920 work it out let me work as well i'm shaking words we know it's not are we allowed to help

00:14:42.360 by saying words we know it's not so for example it's not the rupture okay it's not the fall that's

00:14:46.440 another show okay hold on it's like okay the devastation the rupture the the collapse the

00:14:51.600 undoing the undoing.

00:14:52.440 You did it.

00:14:55.080 You did it. 1.00

00:14:55.360 You're a psychopath. 1.00

00:14:56.420 You did it. 1.00

00:14:57.040 I knew.

00:14:57.580 I know you better

00:14:58.320 than you know yourself.

00:14:59.160 I know you better

00:14:59.580 than you know yourself.

00:15:00.480 I didn't think I was going to.

00:15:01.780 It was like a waterfall.

00:15:03.440 I'm so sorry.

00:15:04.820 I didn't know.

00:15:05.100 I heard three words

00:15:06.040 and I knew you were close

00:15:07.080 and I was like,

00:15:08.040 I'm going over the edge

00:15:09.200 and I thought I was

00:15:09.780 throwing my headphones.

00:15:10.600 I cannot.

00:15:11.400 It was truly,

00:15:12.420 I honestly feel terrible.

00:15:14.160 I feel terribly.

00:15:16.420 It's fine.

00:15:16.980 I loved it.

00:15:17.580 I loved it.

00:15:18.160 The undoing.

00:15:19.020 What a fun time.

00:15:21.600 are you big on felicity no oh only seen a couple laps i actually am getting emotional

00:15:28.760 wait look i actually think this is this is this is completely shocking i can't believe this a

00:15:33.180 tear is starting to well i know exactly is it excitement for me to watch it or just mere shock

00:15:38.300 it's both it's also for me i think i think the idea like you are such a pure friend for me and

00:15:44.900 you bring out like childlike adolescent joy in me and felicity was such an aspirational figure for

00:15:51.400 of moving to New York City

00:15:52.560 and the people that I would meet,

00:15:53.860 the friendships I would have.

00:15:55.520 And like, that's fascinating.

00:15:57.240 I'm just thinking about you

00:15:58.380 and I'm thinking about Felicity

00:15:59.520 and I still want you to be my daughter.

00:16:01.760 It's just a lot's folding in right now.

00:16:03.440 But I think that, okay,

00:16:04.360 Felicity is a remarkable show.

00:16:06.000 Okay.

00:16:06.580 Keri Russell is one of the finest actresses 0.98

00:16:08.340 to have ever lived.

00:16:09.660 Well, I'm a big fan of the Americans. 0.56

00:16:11.420 So just.

00:16:12.640 I haven't seen a single frame,

00:16:13.960 but I'm sure it's.

00:16:14.680 Well, and Matthew Rhys.

00:16:16.220 Oh, right.

00:16:16.940 I'm sorry.

00:16:17.360 Cannot be beat.

00:16:18.860 They got married, correct?

00:16:20.620 I believe they did.

00:16:22.080 I don't know if they're together now or anything.

00:16:22.620 I believe that she used to be married to a carpenter 1.00

00:16:24.360 because I was like, lucky bitch. 1.00

00:16:26.120 And then she left. 0.99

00:16:27.800 You mean for all the carpentry?

00:16:29.020 Yeah, and it's like, yeah.

00:16:30.600 Yeah, all the carpentry. 1.00

00:16:31.980 Lucky bitch gets a shelf whenever she wants it. 1.00

00:16:34.260 Coming home at the end of the day 1.00

00:16:35.260 and the table's being sanded.

00:16:36.340 Oh, it's gorgeous.

00:16:37.160 You know, I'm talking about that.

00:16:38.480 And then.

00:16:39.560 Oh, it's gorgeous.

00:16:40.780 But then, yeah, I believe her and her co-star,

00:16:43.680 they got together.

00:16:45.700 Well, they are brilliant.

00:16:47.020 The Americans is wonderful.

00:16:48.340 When the actors date other brilliant actors, it's the other one I love.

00:16:52.220 What's the other one?

00:16:53.180 Stan Beeman was this character's name.

00:16:54.860 Noah.

00:16:55.920 I just want to acknowledge him because he isn't one of the two main guys.

00:16:58.800 He's a supporting actor and he's fantastic.

00:17:00.840 I can't help you because I haven't seen it.

00:17:02.520 Chris!

00:17:02.860 I'm sorry.

00:17:03.660 Chris!

00:17:05.780 Chris!

00:17:07.640 Remember Stan Beeman on The Americans?

00:17:12.040 Remember Stan Beeman?

00:17:14.260 Yes, from The Americans.

00:17:15.900 What was that actor's name?

00:17:17.000 Noah what?

00:17:18.340 yes emrick noah emrick he's genius and we would see him walking around you know i won't name the

00:17:25.960 neighborhood because i don't want to give up where he lives but we'd see him and we i never got the

00:17:29.900 chance but i just love you on the americans you know wow i think go for it and then last thing

00:17:34.040 i'll say for all the felicity fans out there was that my mother and i would watch felicity together

00:17:38.320 every wednesday night yeah wednesday wb and eventually she saw carrie russell at the movie 0.64

00:17:45.480 theater with what because they were fucking okay okay okay this is not a goss cast okay i want 0.61

00:17:54.140 actors to feel safe listening knowing that their secrets are not going to be revealed 0.97

00:17:58.020 data you will believe that i've decided a key thing i would drop to my knees baby we can start

00:18:04.540 bleeping actors names we can still have the conversations um scott lives i just want to

00:18:09.380 say scott lives in the neighborhood yours i saw him at the butcher do you know when you try to

00:18:14.440 communicate to someone that you two should be in love and that you would be in another if the

00:18:18.980 circumstance were different like like giving in a quick like hello uh of course it's not happening

00:18:22.860 in this lifetime but yeah yeah or just like when you when you kind of like you have a moment with

00:18:26.580 someone you're like we're in love but we can't actually be but like we would be and so I once

00:18:31.780 had that moment although it was of course just for me going to him but we were at I was at the

00:18:35.820 butcher I saw him and I I feel like I'm sorry to continue the gossip train but I feel like John

00:18:41.760 early also saw him he lives in the neighborhood i was trying to not i was trying to not reveal

00:18:48.460 both of your someone could triangulate the facts okay slowly via you know i just and i just want

00:18:54.580 to say that his chemistry with kerry russell and felicity was completely real and it was

00:18:58.500 shocking and it leapt off the screen and we should all return to felicity to remember

00:19:03.600 this is writer strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:19:18.720 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:19:25.460 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs no i am not your

00:19:32.460 and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to everybody there were years

00:19:40.100 right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back to my hometown in northern

00:19:44.020 california interview my friends family talk to police journalists whomever i can to try to find

00:19:49.260 out what actually happened isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:19:53.880 and not the obvious boyfriend they have had this case for 30 years i'll teach you sons of

00:19:59.540 You come around here and my wife.

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00:20:43.240 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:20:46.680 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories.

00:20:53.140 I'm back with more one-off interviews 0.97

00:20:55.260 with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 1.00

00:21:00.180 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.97

00:21:02.700 I'm going to climb this.

00:21:05.060 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:21:07.200 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:21:11.300 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:21:13.780 Is badness hereditary?

00:21:15.800 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:21:17.600 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:21:20.540 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night you'll even get to meet my mum in that one

00:21:25.300 who i can always count on to keep my feet on the ground i'm not too intimidated by her what are

00:21:30.020 you talking about listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iheart radio app apple

00:21:36.440 podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts no i just realized i've never had an interest in disney 0.98

00:21:53.100 right even as a kid i was like shit's cheesy like not to be so like again back to being such a snob

00:21:58.680 but i just mean that like cartoons i never was really that into as a kid because i was just like 0.97

00:22:02.520 i want movies i want real people i just considered like should i watch lady and the tramp is that

00:22:07.760 gonna we have to cut this it's like too despicable keep keep going keep going but why would you like

00:22:13.900 right now i kind of feel like what i want to do it's because you're hungry for italian food

00:22:17.860 i i refuse to believe i'm not about the most iconic scene i want to watch lady and the tramp

00:22:26.040 i think i might take my jeans i think we might stop recording i'm gonna rip my jeans off get in 0.91

00:22:30.740 bed and watch goddamn lady and the tramp but why that one i don't know it just came to me i mean 0.91

00:22:36.100 other than the italian i guess you're right i'm thinking about spaghetti i mean do you i mean i 0.96

00:22:39.560 i know it's common but have you heard of the little mermaid okay because i don't know i just

00:22:45.480 want to tell you okay little mermaid you know was probably is my if i could only have one right if

00:22:50.720 i could only have one of those those films okay and the underwater the underwater and i could see

00:22:56.340 you doubting it but the underwater kingdom triton's kingdom yeah sure that's fine and the music no

00:23:00.680 no no it's not a yeah sure okay it's not a yeah sure it's fun it's a deep emergence i mean it's

00:23:05.740 a deep immersion into a world like no other okay okay king triton's universe i mean it's incredible

00:23:11.480 down there okay it's like mean in this no he's like the sweet daddy or whatever yes and actually

00:23:17.140 you will sob okay you will sob does he die no okay but but but it's it's just um the underwater

00:23:26.160 you know too much of that movie of course is on land okay yeah too much of the movie's on land

00:23:32.120 that's all that's all i say take me back take me back okay i i yeah i don't know something like

00:23:39.120 but why did that pop in your head i like i remember 101 dalmatians being fun yeah like i

00:23:44.000 think that that kind of has like why did lady and the champ come in i just i'm i'm feeling sensitive

00:23:49.220 today i'm feeling like a deep need for comfort i'm feeling a little bit socially like inept or

00:23:55.420 kind of like not to be a bitch but have you seen my cousin vinny it's the coziest movie in all time 0.56

00:24:01.080 yeah you might want to try that but no but i feel like i should lean into this rare moment of wanting 0.92

00:24:05.960 to watch disney because i've never in my life craved disney fair enough and i also feel like

00:24:10.940 maybe that i should maybe just i just lean into the tramp i'm not sure sustains like i think it's

00:24:16.040 just the italian food i think you're right yes i think what what i is you'll never do this you'll 0.98

00:24:20.460 never do the tiger woods dog what should i watch i mean fuck they all have their issues i'm trying 0.93

00:24:27.400 to think which one is the most comforting i don't know i just remember in 101 dalmatians like 0.95

00:24:32.460 the puppies like they're being i just feel like well this is this is an issue that my mother always

00:24:38.260 raises geniusly okay which is that too often the villains are boring okay she hates in beauty and

00:24:44.720 the beast gaston she thinks gaston is a bore two things she thinks her theories on beauty and the

00:24:49.520 one Gaston is a bore all the scenes with Gaston yeah okay she's attracted to him not at all okay

00:24:55.060 and two and two clearly you were and we're going we're going there in a second but I just want to

00:24:59.320 give you the other thing the like thing of like ew look at his gross feet I was like

00:25:03.380 it was like that moment of him with his like I want to get into this I remember I remember his

00:25:09.800 bursting through the sock I was like no I'm him eating the eggs I always preferred LeFou that's

00:25:15.600 a joke okay this is a sidekick don't even know the reference but wait her other theory i just

00:25:19.740 want to say because she deserves the air time is um they shouldn't have killed him killing gaston 1.00

00:25:24.540 oh just any gaston specifically she thinks that's overkill we all know he's a piece of shit do we 0.99

00:25:31.200 really need him throw him off a clip well i didn't know that but anyway yeah gaston um i actually you 0.99

00:25:36.280 know the identification and culture of these disney freaks or whatever right this is a thing

00:25:41.460 now that we talk about oh the disney people with their disney weddings it's taken away a little bit

00:25:46.020 the like joy like it's a little it just like now like what i can't talk about a little all right

00:25:51.260 without that it's like annoying it's like you know it was the best okay what the vhs like disney oh

00:25:57.800 the puffy the puffy puffy yeah that puffy case damn like i want to eat that fantasia i loved

00:26:04.260 Well, my take on Fantasia as a child, beautiful, but boring. 0.92

00:26:09.620 Because I always was like, was like the brooms.

00:26:12.600 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, broom obviously is key for you.

00:26:15.260 I mean, I know any broom imagery in media, I'm there.

00:26:19.900 When I lifted it off the belt, it was like, I was imagining my suitcase for a second.

00:26:24.100 I had been so scared. It was like, mommy, no.

00:26:26.100 Like, it was like, you're like, you're like, you know, you're yelling at your suitcase.

00:26:29.260 You know, that thing. I'm mad because I was afraid.

00:26:32.520 like never do never make me never do that to me again johnny you know like i'm screaming i almost

00:26:38.360 felt it gone and i was like but i feel like making up luggage when does that happen once

00:26:43.820 every six years i mean there's no way i mean um it happened to meet the parents god it's it's

00:26:51.580 truly a great truly a perfect film i can't thank you i don't make them like that anymore

00:26:56.560 i mean it's it's very funny and they don't make them like that anymore 0.62

00:27:03.400 they fucking don't and you try to tell me they do a mainstream comedy that delivers 0.85

00:27:10.920 that delivers with is not everywhere excellence yeah i'm so glad that you think that i didn't 0.98

00:27:17.040 know that you you felt that way about that movie and i'm really glad to hear that you do i love it

00:27:22.080 I mean, there's a lot of genius in like him and his PJs and they're all dressed. 1.00

00:27:26.640 I mean, he's the goy, the goy, the goyish. 1.00

00:27:30.440 Well, I was just having a conversation about whether or not it's offensive, but the the 0.58

00:27:33.600 Jewish family, he's Jewish, right? 0.81

00:27:35.360 What's offensive?

00:27:36.000 Saying goy?

00:27:36.740 And. 0.76

00:27:38.420 Oh, sorry.

00:27:39.300 I'll let you talk.

00:27:40.780 No, no.

00:27:43.020 But there were these subtle things that like, like they didn't wake him.

00:27:48.920 Genius.

00:27:49.240 In the morning he slept late and they didn't wake him and they're all dressed.

00:27:52.080 yeah they're all dressed and showered yeah why'd you let me sleep is brilliant

00:27:55.780 and they're all like calling him sleepyhead when he comes down it's it it's why'd you let

00:28:02.360 humiliating to be in your full and it's hello this is the potential in-laws i mean it's it's

00:28:06.300 terrifying no and i just want to say that i mean ben stiller's influence i want to say ben

00:28:12.680 stiller's influence cannot be overstated and um cannot be over and i just um and he's an

00:28:20.500 incredible director escape and i say it well i know we've talked about brad status before obviously

00:28:25.860 oh my god brad status cannot be overstated um absolute sheer genius something about that movie

00:28:32.460 feels like it almost be good for fall time do you know what i mean it's not a christmas movie but

00:28:36.500 it's in no way a christmas movie but i think i just want to watch it and i'm just like i can

00:28:40.780 just watch it i don't have to incorporate it into the season yeah yeah i don't know i think there

00:28:46.360 might be a way brad's status at application i think it's because like fall leaves they're

00:28:50.040 visiting colleges maybe there's a crunch in the air totally the reason i'm not saying it in the

00:28:56.340 perfect way and i'm about to is because you said it in the perfect way in the movie theater okay

00:29:01.660 and i'm gonna die i'm gonna die okay okay it's like my favorite thing and it honestly launched

00:29:06.380 a huge sense of like where our collaboration should ultimately lie in this life okay okay so

00:29:11.660 so we go to the theater we're watching cave of forgotten dreams the whole thing and you know

00:29:15.680 they're basically acting like what that that's like the first art i think in cave forgotten

00:29:20.280 dreams the paintings on the wall talking about yeah they're talking about i think these cave

00:29:24.760 paintings and they say that you know the first ones to create art of early man were something

00:29:31.840 such i forget what it was and you said you leaned over to me side glance okay and just go and just 0.79

00:29:39.660 actually homo habilis had aesthetic sense okay because they were trying to act like homo habilis 0.64

00:29:47.000 okay whatever they were attributing aesthetic sensitivity to the next generation homo erectus

00:29:52.280 yeah yeah yeah those could be wrong but the point is you leaned over and said homo habilis which like

00:29:58.620 i'm not sure i even i won't lie i probably didn't know the word okay yeah it's like homo habilis

00:30:05.360 aesthetic sense okay just leaning over to correct herzog was immensely gorgeous and satisfying to 0.88

00:30:11.260 me and um oh wow god to be in the theater with you god i miss it god to be uh yeah cave of

00:30:17.740 forgotten dreams that could use a rewatch yeah but is that the one i i forget is that the one

00:30:24.120 that includes the um and this is the only way i can say it neon lizards i don't remember anything

00:30:27.960 else i knew you were gonna say that i absolutely is that a different one it's no that's the one

00:30:31.820 it's a really striking image I believe it's the very end of the film and I can't even remember

00:30:36.520 what really it meant exactly that's why I'm just like a neon lizard is all I have I will say

00:30:41.020 briefly I did a we can move on from from Herzog but I uh or not but I uh I recently did a rewatch

00:30:47.600 of Grizzly Man and it is officially in my top five movies favorite films of all time yeah

00:30:52.380 when's the last time you watched it uh years okay but there was a period where I watched it a lot

00:30:57.320 Now, like for the listeners, of course, I wept.

00:31:00.740 I rewatched it and I was weeping.

00:31:02.460 Well, weeping may be a strong.

00:31:04.840 Actually, do you consider weeping?

00:31:06.700 Is it weeping if the tears are silently cascading?

00:31:09.800 Get ready.

00:31:10.440 No, no, no.

00:31:11.180 It's no, no, no.

00:31:12.400 Let's see.

00:31:12.780 Of course.

00:31:13.160 You mean, of course, that's the definition.

00:31:14.600 Of course, that's weeping.

00:31:15.540 No, because I think weep because like there needs to be like an auditory element, which

00:31:19.320 is sobbing to me.

00:31:20.380 Yeah.

00:31:20.640 No, no, no.

00:31:21.160 It's very interesting.

00:31:22.680 Weep more than I sob because I'm sorry to bring up my book.

00:31:26.460 OK, but how to weep in public, this was an issue. This was a question. I mean, I have a book with

00:31:31.600 the word weep in the title. And that book, I mean, or that title, you know, I remember Jenna

00:31:37.480 Friedman, comedian, said to me, why isn't it how to cry in public? She just sort of said that. And

00:31:42.200 of course, you know, that is, you know, there's an insult there and I accept it from her. And

00:31:46.120 actually, I believe she asked me that question like twice with like six years in between. Like

00:31:51.540 the same question. I don't even believe I don't think she's been thinking of the whole time

00:31:55.980 because that doesn't feel as much like her I think she spontaneously went why weep you know

00:32:00.840 cry is stronger and more direct and whatever but to me weep is comical because it's um a feat

00:32:06.780 that's not the right word so much more poetic yeah and so it's sort of outrageous so so anyway

00:32:11.240 but yeah to me weeping is kind of that is kind of a silent um I mean much like a weeping wound

00:32:16.940 you know that metaphor a weeping wound isn't screaming weep I would also argue is a more

00:32:21.380 feminized term yes crying kind of feels like also attributed to babies weeping suggests emotion

00:32:31.060 yes right like babies cry but a little bit right a little bit of drama because it is we're leaning

00:32:36.680 and we know sort of leaning into that all right jesus pull me back so so so okay so grizzly for

00:32:43.720 the people that don't know is uh one of verner herzog's um documentaries and it's about grizzly

00:32:49.400 man. Wait, I feel like I have the wrong name. Timothy Treadwell. What's that? You got it.

00:32:53.740 Oh, yeah. He's a man that lived with the Grizzlies, right? Yes. Or at least he'd go out there every

00:33:01.860 summer and sort of commune with the Grizzlies. Everyone thought he was crazy. And documentary to

00:33:09.600 be clear in the end. Yeah. Hey, don't go to the end. You don't think that's part of the truth?

00:33:15.240 Everyone knows. We've all heard the tape, but it's you have not heard the tape. That's a joke,

00:33:19.320 Right. No one's heard of tape. So this is what I want to say. There's no spoiler here. He's dead.

00:33:24.920 OK. And he died by bear. OK. He died by bear. I think that's a selling point. You can know that

00:33:30.300 like that's the thing. It doesn't matter what happens. It matters how it happens. Right. You

00:33:33.460 can listen to this not knowing that and still be completely thrilled by the film. It's not it's not

00:33:38.060 about the surprise that that he dies. It's the inevitability. Exactly. And then in an utterly

00:33:45.220 stunning kind of filmmaker sort of the filmmakers in the film kind of thing verner there's a tape

00:33:51.880 there's audio tape because timothy treadwell filmed himself all the time why am i educating

00:33:56.420 what is this tone okay keep going um so timothy trell you know what this feels like i feel like

00:34:02.120 i'm a talking head in like any of those like not even just best week ever but like i knew you were

00:34:08.000 gonna say any of those where i'm like we're like they've got they've put it into my mouth

00:34:11.600 best week ever no it's i mean yeah it's a whole it's a whole thing right we will not be meeting

00:34:16.540 the best week ever it launched many friends i would draw i weep for best week ever yeah i

00:34:21.220 appreciate best week ever that was a huge moment and it employed countless comedians that's what

00:34:26.200 i'm saying employed countless um this is pre you know twitter round up technically they weren't

00:34:31.840 countless because i didn't get on the show yeah that's true right so so it wasn't it was fine

00:34:37.680 it is circulating yeah a carousel of but yeah no i feel like i'm doing that when i'm like

00:34:43.660 so grizzly man um okay uh yeah so at the end towards the end whatever there's tape existing

00:34:51.760 please break it you're gonna say it better this is so strange but i wanted to say there's a best

00:34:57.580 week ever joke that i probably think about twice a year from best which is crazy yeah yeah and i

00:35:02.420 don't remember who said it of course i cannot attribute it to a single community i want to say

00:35:06.440 it was christian finnegan i bet it was okay so they're talking about the secret yes as in the

00:35:12.100 the film that was released for the documentary it was released alongside the secret and they're

00:35:16.680 talking about how in the secret they say like if you have cancer like watch charlie chaplin film

00:35:20.960 and laugh and like laugh the cancer out or like you know and then christian finnegan was like

00:35:25.300 if you laugh at a charlie chaplin movie the cancer will leave your body out of embarrassment

00:35:29.460 oh my god i love it it better be christian or it's his now the idea imagine like go falling

00:35:38.760 in a chaplain film because here's what's embarrassing i pretended to do that when i 0.55

00:35:43.060 was 18 years old and i was like i'm actually more of a keaton head you know of course i was like a

00:35:48.120 buster keaton i was like chaplain i you know it's keaton all the way no me as a young girl saying

00:35:52.480 the same about freud and young freud i'm a youngian yeah oh well please tell your story about

00:35:56.940 time i mean obviously but every mention i have to go deeper into freud because i lost a lot of it

00:36:01.260 now i'm so young young young no right but i remember being you know at a screening for

00:36:06.480 sherlock jr the the buster keaton film yeah and uh which is which is listen to me i'm about to go

00:36:12.580 which is great who cares it is great but who cares but he actually broke his neck making it

00:36:19.820 which is a wild little oh maybe it'll end up in a great show called cursed films you ever see that

00:36:24.780 it's devastating oh yeah but um i just remember laughing being in the audience laughing aka

00:36:31.740 pretending to laugh well for example i have news to impress my older cinema teacher

00:36:37.160 okay just held up charlie chaplin my autobiography where's my sherlock where's my i have my buster

00:36:44.240 keaton autobiography this is this is the thing this is like when i've uh when i continue to buy

00:36:49.460 copies of Tartuffe okay I continue to buy copies of Tartuffe at secondhand bookstores like convinced

00:36:56.340 like you know like like reading early um like comedies okay oh I know like oh like I'm gonna

00:37:02.800 have this sort of bedrock of ancient comedy knowledge you know I'm not going back to the

00:37:08.440 80s folks I'm going back you know that sort of thing yeah where were we you're saying you're

00:37:14.940 saying buying copies of Tartuffe yeah I'm done with that I'm so grizzly man can we I just want

00:37:19.140 to get it clear about what occurs okay so he always taped himself and video camera and these

00:37:24.600 you know he was alone he would go alone for months it would just be alone with the bears

00:37:29.080 and his video camera and he captured some truly incredible footage not just of the bears but of

00:37:35.060 himself encountering them and living there and other animals there's such beautiful footage i

00:37:40.200 mean i hadn't seen it in years and i was quite sleeping foxes in a hole yes jack and the foxes

00:37:45.260 No, there's foxes being, the foxes are the star of Grizzly Man, in my opinion.

00:37:49.840 They are.

00:37:50.140 The foxes are so sweet.

00:37:51.400 And it's just very, it's very, there's a lot going on in it.

00:37:55.120 It's just great.

00:37:56.100 But when he finally is killed by a grizzly bear.

00:37:59.720 Yeah.

00:38:00.120 You know, his camera falls to the side.

00:38:01.820 I don't know if there's any video of it, but there's certainly audio.

00:38:04.280 He was with his girlfriend, two were mauled.

00:38:06.080 Of course, she.

00:38:07.540 Oh, right.

00:38:09.180 Yeah.

00:38:09.800 Wait, she was there?

00:38:10.820 Oh, she was there.

00:38:11.680 They were both mauled to death by grizzly bears. 1.00

00:38:15.260 Wait, I am scum. 0.99

00:38:17.500 She came upon. 1.00

00:38:19.000 I deleted the woman. 0.99

00:38:20.160 Well, no, you're not scum. 0.99

00:38:21.180 From the memory. 0.99

00:38:21.640 You're just following the narrative of.

00:38:23.040 Of Werner?

00:38:23.560 Of the prevailing narrative.

00:38:25.080 I mean, not that she's ignored in the film, but it's about.

00:38:28.120 Because he's the one that led the brigade.

00:38:30.780 She was there.

00:38:31.520 Yeah, she was there.

00:38:32.400 Under his thumb.

00:38:33.200 She actually, I believe, encountered him being slaughtered by a bear.

00:38:37.000 Like she like.

00:38:37.520 Came back?

00:38:37.980 Came upon.

00:38:38.960 No.

00:38:39.340 Him being.

00:38:40.020 And so she's like.

00:38:42.280 And there's.

00:38:42.780 So what happens is the camera falls to the side.

00:38:44.360 the lens cap is on but what was captured is the horrifying audio of them both being murdered

00:38:49.140 not murdered bears don't murder they just do not show it in the film instead instead brilliantly

00:38:56.360 they don't include the audio but they simply show Herzog listening to the audio sorry I was

00:39:02.500 gonna say no it's it's I was gonna say like a stunning you know it's a sort of stunning ego

00:39:07.200 kind of like that the climax of the film is the filmmaker listening to audio and weeping

00:39:12.800 yeah was he weeping or he's not weeping okay not even a single tear no i think oh absolutely

00:39:19.880 tearless no i think right i think he was almost to weep would have been a bit much because he's

00:39:24.460 in front of people right he's in front of family who's never listened he's in he's in front of

00:39:28.260 timothy's ex-girlfriend who never listened right yeah but she she holds the tape and he's like

00:39:33.860 promise me you'll never listen to this and she's like i promise you must never listen to this god

00:39:39.280 the man knows how to do gravitas i know the way he talks about nature as being you know it's not

00:39:45.540 that i forget which film of his he talks about the rainforest as being pornographic and the

00:39:50.140 unfinished work of god it's like so brilliant or something he talks about it being like

00:39:54.300 the rainforest is being unfinished which is so that's interesting in the sense that it's like

00:39:59.420 this sort of it's lush and wild it's unpolished no no the idea of like the churning fornication

00:40:07.300 of the rainforest and that it's like the fornication it's separate from i mean ideally

00:40:12.660 separate from human intervention right and it's like this just visually this kind of matrix of

00:40:19.000 nature that's unfinished it can never be finished because it goes on forever oh it's burden of

00:40:25.580 dreams in which he talks about weird two documentaries that both end in the word dreams

00:40:30.320 you can't do that data has broken in to say that one is about him and one is by him

00:40:35.040 and that's just a great example of the power of a preposition you know the difference between

00:40:40.020 buying about right there anyway so i do want to talk about my foot we got to grizzly man right

00:40:43.980 wait can i just say briefly because you were talking about us in the east village going to

00:40:48.200 the cinemas right and i was yesterday thinking about my youth and how my own nostalgia for you

00:40:55.560 know kim's video right like i had an actual i had an actual membership at kim's video or just going

00:41:01.920 to record stores and being convinced that i would fall in love there i was like i was like if i go

00:41:06.660 to bookstore i go to record store like i'm gonna fall in love among the stacks yeah you'll glance

00:41:10.300 over and it'll be like it'll be like oh you also like i mean that kind of stuff so that was such a

00:41:16.680 vital part of my my life i feel like leaving that love would be going to brick and mortars to fall

00:41:22.000 in love right right right right let me think about that right um i'm trying to think if i've

00:41:27.240 ever had a positive interaction in a brick and mortar with with a person you know what I mean

00:41:33.460 like ever like yeah happened into one because you know I love to glance and make eye contact and say

00:41:37.900 like can you believe the hell and I for a long time have been like 8 a.m I miss and the eye does

00:41:44.740 just open like a doll's eye like a that thing that doll's eyes do 758 I'm doing that I'm doing

00:41:52.900 the butter and then the eye flutters a little more and closes until maybe 804 right now i'm

00:41:59.680 just like the horror movie of like of it closing and then like being like i think the demon has

00:42:03.440 passed okay the demon has left that's hilarious when i wake up in the morning a huge way that

00:42:09.020 i'm able to wake up is to imagine i'm being filmed or to be in the movie version of waking up

00:42:13.560 continues to come up so this continues to be the huge theme of being alive but like i the only way

00:42:19.000 Also, I have a thing and I have to maybe re-examine this.

00:42:23.160 I feel really embarrassed for all movies, TV shows, anything when it starts with a character waking up in the morning.

00:42:28.860 I've historically been like, I'm like, are you absolutely kidding me?

00:42:32.740 Why don't we start at the very beginning?

00:42:34.980 The morning.

00:42:35.460 Like if your movie starts and your character is the alarm going off, the hand flies out of the bed, hits the top of the alarm and then the camera pans over and there's our star.

00:42:47.460 star there she is boys there's okay no no no it's unacceptable okay and like of course i'm flying

00:42:58.300 to imagining that i'm a filmmaker with a movie that starts that way i'm feeling devastated to

00:43:02.500 hear my beloved caper lamp say this of course there are always exceptions there are always

00:43:07.060 exceptions there are good movies that start that way i've been shocked because i always get upset 0.99

00:43:11.260 when i see it and i'm like this fucking piece of shit cinema with the morning morning moment 0.83

00:43:16.040 and then no but there are great moments and I just want to say the best I think the greatest 0.99

00:43:19.880 morning actor is James Gandolfini and Sopranos wow Sopranos Sopranos why can't I um I think I

00:43:26.580 think we pronounce it Sopranos in this house morning acting his bed waking up as Tony Soprano

00:43:32.040 like a little hungover you know like yeah his morning acting is exquisite it's just it's divine

00:43:38.780 no you know what really I well what I tire of is the hand flying at the yeah yeah yeah flying

00:43:45.980 at the snooze yeah yeah or like throwing their foot like knocking them you know there's that

00:43:51.160 there's a very they're always knocking it off yeah there was like they're always knocking it

00:43:55.880 off like i don't know it's like to sleep act see this is something that this is a question okay

00:44:01.300 and you have lots of onset experience so perhaps you can answer but but but it's like this okay

00:44:07.000 i'm always wondering how much can a director push a known star okay very good in a basic way so

00:44:14.460 Could you say to a big actor, the way you're waking up isn't believable?

00:44:20.840 Right.

00:44:21.440 OK, do you see what I'm saying?

00:44:22.340 Because that's or like I'm not believing you're drunk. 0.99

00:44:24.820 OK, like shit like that. 0.99

00:44:26.440 Because those are the basic like horrors of like acting. 1.00

00:44:30.120 Right.

00:44:30.320 It's like to me would be like anything that's supposed to be authentic.

00:44:33.080 If you couldn't pull it off would be devastating.

00:44:34.920 Right.

00:44:35.140 So like, well, I'm saying drunk is one of those classic things.

00:44:37.980 Yeah.

00:44:38.660 Drunk is really hard.

00:44:39.720 But like even crying.

00:44:40.820 What if it were like.

00:44:41.820 Hardest thing to me.

00:44:43.160 Yeah.

00:44:44.020 Laughing.

00:44:44.460 oh yeah that's that's the number one hardest thing on earth is jesus like this is this constant

00:44:51.260 struggle i have is there's nothing i think is less interesting i don't understand when people

00:44:56.780 write characters into movies or shows or anything that are funny this is genius this is huge you

00:45:02.500 you're like like what like a clever person in a movie who's funny and then we're watching the

00:45:09.960 movie going they're funny i'd like to be friends with them with chandler or whatever that is no

00:45:15.440 this is genius worse than wake up acting that's and that's the thing too i mean i mean sooner

00:45:20.960 enter the reserves of the military than play a funny person in anything right no no no right

00:45:28.000 impossible task impossible task like you've been given they're like let's bring in caper land

00:45:32.960 like she'll nail these lines and then it's a bunch of like witticisms that you have to toss off and

00:45:39.260 like the problem is they're probably not good right no they never are they're never good that's

00:45:46.360 the problem they never are give me a straight roll okay and then the the comedic juices will

00:45:51.080 flow out of me through the truth of playing a spunky funny person absolute i mean impossible

00:45:59.220 it's shocking that it continues to because to me that character in a show the quote funny one

00:46:05.040 like I don't experience them as the funny one

00:46:07.480 I experience them as like the

00:46:09.300 recognizably human character of someone

00:46:11.520 who like kind of thinks they're funny

00:46:13.480 and like makes little jokes

00:46:15.420 all the time and it's like annoying but kind of

00:46:17.360 sweet like well actually I'm trying to think like

00:46:19.200 I feel like when I was like a kid and watching

00:46:21.500 like Friends like I was just

00:46:23.460 like Chandler's so funny

00:46:25.560 okay yeah yeah

00:46:27.300 still never seen a single frame

00:46:28.940 I heard her say she hasn't seen

00:46:31.540 a single frame not a single frame

00:46:33.460 Well, congrats, Kate, I guess.

00:46:35.660 No, listen, I would love to dive in.

00:46:38.480 There's like 14 seasons on Netflix or something.

00:46:40.780 No, don't dive in.

00:46:41.580 By the way, I'm not going to dive in.

00:46:42.960 I don't know why I said that.

00:46:43.820 There's no need.

00:46:44.340 Maybe on my deathbed, I'll dive in.

00:46:47.000 Chandler once hit on my mom, I just remembered.

00:46:49.180 What? 0.99

00:46:49.860 My mom was at some party and Chandler blocked the door

00:46:52.940 and said, you're not going anywhere.

00:46:56.700 But then she breezed right by, everything was fine.

00:46:58.760 It wasn't any kind of a predatory thing.

00:47:00.860 But the amazing part is that she was, like, 55 when this happened.

00:47:04.820 Right.

00:47:05.120 And she only uses her beauty secrets or freaking oil the way, okay?

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00:49:22.460 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night you'll even get to meet my mum in that one

00:49:27.220 who i can always count on to keep my feet on the ground i'm not too intimidated by her what are

00:49:31.940 you talking about listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iheart radio app apple

00:49:38.360 podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts the imagery of the colonic for me as in is it um

00:49:52.780 oh my god what's the movie with steve martin and um sarah jessica parker she has she talks

00:49:58.140 about getting a colonic and she's like her tiny little body and she's like oh it's wonderful and

00:50:02.420 she like sticks her arms in the air and she's like this little well her like live ballet body 0.94

00:50:06.960 yeah because she was um you know famous for sort of keeping toned via ballet based workouts really 1.00

00:50:13.560 is that her secret always always that was always the thing like it was always sjp with her she has 1.00

00:50:18.820 one of those bodies from like she didn't even have to work for it it just feels like you know

00:50:22.060 what i mean it just feels like that just is her she just is tendon yeah yeah she's very tendon

00:50:26.500 she already just is that she has like i'm as you know we're watching sex in the city and um i truly 0.86

00:50:33.180 we're moving on.

00:50:34.560 I just was going to say

00:50:35.320 there's this one episode 1.00

00:50:37.420 where she's wearing this dress 1.00

00:50:38.560 and her ass is like 1.00

00:50:39.740 so incredible 1.00

00:50:40.840 that it sent me

00:50:41.720 into a depression

00:50:42.380 permanently

00:50:43.020 never to return.

00:50:43.980 Yeah.

00:50:44.300 Like it was shapely?

00:50:45.800 She's wearing this like 0.99

00:50:45.940 dark gray dress.

00:50:47.180 She's leaving.

00:50:47.800 I'll tell you right now

00:50:48.380 episode shortcoming season two. 0.99

00:50:50.200 She's leaving

00:50:50.640 the famous thing

00:50:51.820 of Justin Theroux

00:50:52.480 plays two different characters

00:50:53.900 on the same show.

00:50:55.300 He plays one character

00:50:56.140 in season one

00:50:56.760 and then returns season two

00:50:57.680 to play a different character.

00:50:58.900 So shocking.

00:50:59.720 They needed him that bad.

00:51:01.160 We got we got

00:51:01.620 it's Justin.

00:51:02.560 It's Justin.

00:51:02.940 i mean it's unimaginable it's unimaginable bringing him in to play a different character

00:51:08.740 i mean is that not shocking maybe someone fell out and he had to be brought in that day i love

00:51:14.300 that maybe they're like justin they're like see that's like when i would be like i mean what is

00:51:18.360 this is no different than if we were a theater troupe of actors in the 1300s you know like we

00:51:23.360 play all the characters i'd go there sorry i got distracted because i was thinking like if that was

00:51:27.620 like i was imagining sex and city but all the characters just play each other like that's

00:51:31.280 useless it's a useless you know idea um I don't find it useless at all thank you I appreciate

00:51:36.140 that going on the development slate whatever she's wearing this dress she it's the final 0.97

00:51:39.920 scene of the episode and her ass is insane and it like really captivated me yeah interesting 0.99

00:51:46.320 you're you really are consumed it continues to come up with you I hear it in my head all the 1.00

00:51:52.160 time you going in my head you going I want a new ass by Thursday or whatever you're always like a 1.00

00:51:57.660 new ass it's like your cali accent or something yeah what's in a name got it okay okay okay right 0.99

00:52:07.020 and by the way one of my favorite activities when i was like driving to like topeka kansas okay to 0.97

00:52:11.700 do like a one-nighter damn i miss for stage time okay i would do act one scene act two scene one

00:52:18.780 whatever act four act one scene four whatever it is that one to myself on the monologue yes and i 0.90

00:52:26.160 did a lot of shakespeare alone in my bedroom and one of the hardest things like like fun game 0.69

00:52:30.060 to try to say i me which is the first fucking two syllables i me romeo romeo wherefore at the romeo 0.58

00:52:39.560 the most like common like phrase you've heard a thousand times right just to do that compellingly 0.88

00:52:45.800 let's say that was your audition with i me and then romeo romeo wherefore at the romeo okay okay

00:52:50.900 i mean i would do an exhale which is a cheap trick but it works to lend it naturalism maybe yeah

00:52:58.040 yeah i mean romeo romeo oh it's impossible it's it's so hard right because it's like so built in

00:53:04.640 and then it's like do you go counter text like or counter like and that would be like cornball

00:53:08.860 right like like if you were to like deeply counter like if like the tradition is like romeo romeo

00:53:13.460 it's like sorry you're like romeo right right like romeo romeo like romeo oh i like that i like

00:53:22.400 that was good that was good i always try to make it like real or different by going like so slow

00:53:29.440 it's a humiliation romeo every audition i'm like oh romeo me romeo oh romeo

00:53:37.120 see it's very hard to experience those lines like without hearing it just as like the equivalent of

00:53:46.520 the title drop of the movie in the middle of the movie similarly i don't know this but i was

00:53:51.400 thinking about i found myself crying the other day which i rarely do not because i'm repressed

00:53:56.060 i just honestly rarely cry and because and crying feels so good but it does happen rarely for me

00:54:01.380 And when it does, I can't help but also be locked in the images of crying and I'm like, is it really happening? And I'm crying and it feels good. But then I'm also like, I'm in the, I found myself crying one point while mopping, which was incredible. I was immediately, I was like, because you were like into an Elizabethan era, like drama. And it's so when you're crying and you're really doing it, you're connected to all the images of everyone crying throughout time and all the movies and everything.

00:54:27.020 so it's like you aren't even there you're just reenacting this you know skin of another

00:54:33.720 of a celebrity crying this has been one of my biggest philosophical questions for life what

00:54:39.120 are we doing what is the true cry okay because because there is you're even alone there's

00:54:47.400 a performance to self okay and also crying crying in front of another person i actually find more

00:54:52.800 real and kind of easier to act because at least there you're because at least you're at least

00:54:59.920 it's you know I remember this like acting teacher being like well most people when they're crying

00:55:03.520 like in public or something or wherever they're trying to not cry right like so there's that

00:55:08.080 right so you're playing that yeah yeah oh yeah okay but you know they're not like ah right so

00:55:13.460 but alone I always feel like it's this testing oneself like if like it's like you're like oh

00:55:19.220 it's almost like you're seeing this natural thing happening. Yeah. And then I can't tell if the cry

00:55:26.200 is the thing or the cry is the reaction to a feeling in the throat and the whatever that you

00:55:31.320 it's like, is the cry you releasing the tension in your throat? Do you see what I'm saying?

00:55:35.900 Right. Or like, it's not just like you singing to the gods. You know what I mean? It's like,

00:55:40.240 you're like, Oh, like I was crying while driving. Yeah, I've done that. And I was like,

00:55:46.220 time well this is great yeah also but like like i mean what is it i was like you know

00:55:53.180 once there's a point where it like crosses over okay and there's almost like it's kind of like

00:55:59.480 throwing up i think like if you're not someone who you know throws up on purpose or something

00:56:03.280 right if it's like where you're almost like like and you're like am i gonna throw up oh god like

00:56:07.900 i'm nauseous or i'm gagging a little bit and then like when it really happens there's almost like a

00:56:11.780 satisfaction of like I'm doing it like like and I was right I did need to throw up you're like yeah

00:56:17.120 that was really it you're gonna like come out like to Chris or something like I'm like I just

00:56:21.080 threw up the real okay no throwing up full projectile vomiting Chris I need to like be

00:56:28.580 dead clear that it was full projectile vomiting when you puke and because there's few things that

00:56:34.320 we take serious we're seriously in culture than vomit and so it's like when you vomit something

00:56:40.240 about like a woman vomiting yes it's like the only time that our pain is realized is real

00:56:46.100 oh it's like it's like we come out of the bathroom and we're like i threw up

00:56:50.920 no no imagine throwing up and not and not having telling anyone that's my fear it's not dying

00:57:00.100 alone it's throwing up alone yeah not being able to come out of the bathroom

00:57:04.540 no no right no or me like i'm like chris okay yeah yelling to him even though there's nothing

00:57:11.060 for him to do like just like i'm throwing up here's what's great here's what's great

00:57:15.240 when you come out you feel much better you feel much better yeah it's kind of you have to buttress

00:57:21.860 up the reality of the having just puked you can't just be relieved so it's kind of like

00:57:26.340 you get a sore out and you're kind of still like you're in that recovery buttress the

00:57:34.640 Like, please don't mistake me.

00:57:36.720 If you felt so much better that you like came soaring out, like I'm bad.

00:57:40.080 You don't want to get into the relief stage yet.

00:57:41.900 You want to still be you're not going to puke in front of them, but you want to somehow

00:57:45.760 be able to still have to be seen.

00:57:48.140 You want to be performed.

00:57:50.180 I feel like it's big in TV. 0.96

00:57:52.480 The female characters like the wife or whatever are always getting their real estate license 0.92

00:57:57.680 or launching. 0.70

00:57:58.680 And I feel like is that because why is it always that?

00:58:02.220 I think it's very real.

00:58:03.700 that the wife is getting a real statement.

00:58:06.380 I feel like it happens in half of television shows.

00:58:12.600 You know, and I feel like there's a lot of scenes 0.81

00:58:15.520 of women setting up the crackers and wine. 0.99

00:58:20.840 Absolutely.

00:58:21.300 And things unfolding there.

00:58:23.160 Of course, we're going to say American Beauty

00:58:24.500 being the trope namer.

00:58:27.000 Then I held my tongue.

00:58:28.180 It was a little obvious. 1.00

00:58:29.640 Well, because everything for women happens in the home. 1.00

00:58:32.580 So even when they give her a job, it's still just in someone else's home. 1.00

00:58:36.060 It's back in the house.

00:58:39.140 Hug the demon. 0.99

00:58:40.220 Hug the devil. 0.67

00:58:41.040 Like in Six Feet Under, when David is terrified by that monster,

00:58:44.120 goes to hug the monster, he's wearing a hooded sweatshirt,

00:58:47.740 pops the hood down, it's himself.

00:58:49.460 And he's hugging himself, right?

00:58:51.080 So that's like a beautiful...

00:58:52.320 Well, that is the...

00:58:53.000 No, no, that is the most absolute...

00:58:54.900 Who are you running from?

00:58:55.740 It all comes back to Six Feet Under for me, always.

00:58:58.100 Well, I'm not even sure.

00:58:59.820 Have we spoken of it?

00:59:00.960 I feel like we must have.

00:59:02.000 Maybe not.

00:59:02.580 must have spoken of how significant I mean it's shocking to me that when because six feet under

00:59:07.860 and those characters feel more real to me than my own family so it's like me as well I actually

00:59:11.980 stand by the principle that they they are real they are they are okay it's so richly envisioned

00:59:16.540 that how is that how is their family any less of a family than mine when theirs is arguably more

00:59:20.940 richly envisioned Brenda Chenoweth the first woman to ever be depicted on screen oh the first woman

00:59:29.100 to be ever depicted on screen. 0.97

00:59:30.520 Like I would argue like the first time like a woman,

00:59:34.840 like an actual, people talk about like 0.63

00:59:36.720 complex female characters, right? 1.00

00:59:39.820 It's like name one before Brenda. 0.86

00:59:42.180 I mean, I obviously speak in this hyperbole constantly.

00:59:44.420 Of course, because it's the most fun.

00:59:46.760 But I'm just saying that Brenda Chenoweth was for me, 0.98

00:59:48.840 rocked my goddamn world when I was in high school 0.99

00:59:51.000 watching Six Feet Under. 0.99

00:59:52.400 And my best friend Sammy would sleep over

00:59:53.780 every Sunday night to watch it.

00:59:55.580 I remember hearing negative reactions

00:59:57.140 to that character specifically.

00:59:58.480 Oh, of course.

00:59:58.880 like people like i don't like brenda and it was like i see you i see i see what this is yeah oh

01:00:04.480 you don't like that she i mean has uncontainable uncontainable desire yeah it's upsetting to

01:00:11.100 people and also i think like there is something that that in combination with almost like her

01:00:15.600 shrewd intellect yeah also upsets people like that she could be so like sort of just sort of

01:00:21.160 flat about like i would really encourage people out there to either re-watch or if you somehow

01:00:25.440 haven't watched Six Feet Under to watch it. I did my fourth watch last year and it was deeply

01:00:30.380 profound. And I would say if anyone's going through any kind of grief, it truly is so helpful.

01:00:35.960 Well, you know what it is? It's like, God, it's, um, it's truly a way to access the mystery of

01:00:41.780 existence through something richly envisioned on our plane. Right. It's like when, and when do you

01:00:49.600 get that? I mean, it's just, it's like a journey. It's like, it's like you get to experience

01:00:53.360 something profound by being taken on a very very very specific and richly envisioned journey

01:00:57.480 with characters that are so like how is it different than a religion that animates like

01:01:02.880 different archetypes and presents them all and you work oh my god genius totally it's like god

01:01:08.600 i'm gonna revisit i'm so excited so excited also i'll just say nate i just want to say every time

01:01:12.840 you watch it at least i focus on different character this last rewatch i was really focused

01:01:16.740 on nate peter krauss is one of the finest actors who've ever lived and that depiction of nate of

01:01:21.300 like kind of like the every man like it is astonishing also he's the best yell actor i've

01:01:25.900 ever seen yelling acting oh he's a yell he's a yell he's a yell actor i've i've never seen better

01:01:31.380 yelling work um and i'll just say this because i had i had a dear friend who i trust deeply their

01:01:36.880 sensibility they had trouble with the pilot it felt dated to them they pushed through and then

01:01:40.860 it became the most important thing to them and they're like no no no if you feel if the pilot

01:01:44.880 feels dated to you if you're if you're struggling with that push through because oh what awaits you

01:01:49.860 was unimaginable well it's so i mean the other thing that's so devastating okay about the because

01:01:54.840 i know what they mean about the pilot being dated but it's that thing where it's like oh that's like

01:01:59.200 hacky or like you know it's like they're seeing it as like a television cliche and it's like but

01:02:03.160 it didn't happen before they did it yeah right right that's why it's familiar to you because

01:02:08.540 it's the best and they did it first and everyone took it you know what i mean like so it's just

01:02:12.420 it's just like you have to push through that um roof like you just you have to go on the journey

01:02:17.920 those characters enrich all of our lives damn it's not it's been novelistic it's it's heaven

01:02:23.820 can you imagine it's like you're 16 you give birth you give your child up for adoption and 0.70

01:02:28.880 then you marry that very same high school sweetheart and do have kids with them that's

01:02:33.520 what i was proposing oh yeah it's fun and they look exactly like two other kids how would you

01:02:39.180 play the daughter comes to the door scene in a movie or television show so like i you know you

01:02:45.640 always see there's a knock on the door someone's at the door okay yeah you'll be the long lost

01:02:50.500 daughter like you have adult children whatever okay and i'll come to the door like i hesitate

01:02:55.520 like i'm about to knock i hesitate and start to walk back to the car i'm the mom yeah okay like

01:03:00.980 you have like possibly even adult children at this point okay it's way later i'm an adult you

01:03:05.480 know what i mean and it's like come to the door and like i start to walk away and then i come back

01:03:09.660 like it's like hey excuse me miss are you can i help you and then and then like i'm hesitating

01:03:14.640 and i'm sort of not saying the words but you realize and you know let's try it okay excuse me

01:03:20.600 can i help you oh sorry um hi so you can't see my face the listeners at home can't see my face

01:03:26.880 my face dropped i know but i know but i thought it'd be interesting to see what came through on

01:03:31.800 audio even though we're not playing for the radio it can't be i'm jennifer you can't be jennifer

01:03:39.120 it's okay if if you want me to go i just um sweetie sweetie sweetie no

01:03:44.780 i don't know i feel like there's always a like well i just okay like let's play this through

01:03:52.140 okay i think you're gonna invite me into dinner you can't be here jennifer you can't i have moved

01:03:57.320 on with the family i hope you're all right darling but you just can't come around like this

01:04:01.500 you can't pop up at my doorstep okay wait no now do one where you okay i'm gonna walk away no no

01:04:07.760 here's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna give you my number my information and i'll walk away and

01:04:11.200 then you're gonna like be like and you're gonna you're stunned and you're gonna take it and then

01:04:14.360 you're gonna be like you're gonna call me back to have dinner with your family okay i mean call me

01:04:19.260 like back in the driveway i get it okay okay so like so like i'm sorry dear but you can't come

01:04:24.180 around i completely understand and i i actually i wrote down my number on this piece of paper and

01:04:28.280 if you ever wanted to get a coffee or something but anyway i'm jennifer and um it was really nice

01:04:34.340 meet you she turns she walks away and then i unlock my car sorry jenny why don't you come in

01:04:41.780 we're having supper you can meet your sister scene oh you better set an extra play setting

01:04:48.180 daniel you've got a sister why is it that when you do that accent like that character comes alive

01:04:55.220 like so profoundly that it's like okay you've lived that life i know and it's a life in irish

01:05:00.200 four pots and pans to my name yeah um it's not even a good irish accent i think i had a i had

01:05:06.820 a beloved math tutor named gronia who was irish gronia is that a common irish or maybe not common

01:05:12.460 irish name it must be an irish name is i guess the question gronia she was an angel and you know

01:05:17.160 it's so wild i got a text like a few weeks ago that was like hi kate it's gronia she hadn't

01:05:27.380 texted me thinking it was a different kate she was like the girls have soccer at four and i was

01:05:31.720 like the oldest trick in the book or when i thought i had well i did independently invent

01:05:42.320 as a concept and then discovered that larry david did as well right the fake accidental text

01:05:47.680 wait tell me i don't know it there's a whole episode wait i want to get this i want to see

01:05:52.400 if this is right oh i i think that so like you know like you you know like um not oh my god not

01:05:57.280 for you. I can't remember if it was like, oh, my God, this text wasn't meant for you or if it was

01:06:01.620 like Grownya texts Kate. OK. And so she's like, hey, Kate, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

01:06:07.000 blah, blah. OK. Something that she wants you to know. But her cover, she's like, oh, my God,

01:06:12.340 this is supposed to go to another Kate as in the one next in the address book. I see. I see. So

01:06:16.940 so if I wanted to make you, Kate Berlant, jealous, OK, that I'm going on vacation. Yeah. You know,

01:06:22.180 i go i go okay hey kate um i wanted to say let's do that lunch after all but i'm going to mexico

01:06:27.920 next week so to get the award and then you're like the award ceremony to next week so i'm

01:06:32.340 i have to now go then oh can we reschedule lunch and then oh my god i'm sorry not meant for you

01:06:36.900 oh my god it's the wrong one yeah yes no i wouldn't award david does does an episode where

01:06:42.400 i think he utilizes the accidental so yeah i would love to have your friend um and scholar on

01:06:48.940 at some point in the future that'll be a great guest to note who the one who wrote motherhood

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