Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - REMIX： The Hags Talk Restaurants

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00:02:35.420 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:36.880 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

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00:02:39.140 an ongoing conversation about wellness

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00:02:49.700 Please enjoy this week's remix episode.

00:02:52.560 The subject is restaurants, one of our favorite subjects to discuss, to live inside, to savor.

00:03:00.160 Please enjoy.

00:03:03.360 When was the restaurant invited?

00:03:05.140 I know we've got some sociological, archaeological...

00:03:09.140 Tap on the keys, here I go.

00:03:10.940 I felt panic when you said, should I look it up?

00:03:14.420 Because I just realized, oh God, I don't know if I want to know because I have this idea in my head that I really like.

00:03:19.440 Oh my God, you're going to love what I just read.

00:03:22.560 I have a feeling.

00:03:23.540 I have a feeling. 0.69

00:03:24.340 Does it involve prostitutes?

00:03:25.480 I mean, I'm sure, but that's not what I just read.

00:03:27.280 Okay.

00:03:27.780 Is it, it started with like innkeeping?

00:03:30.280 There's two.

00:03:30.880 I just have to say it because there's two. 0.99

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00:03:33.440 Okay. 1.00

00:03:33.760 I'm ready.

00:03:34.200 Let's just say it involved.

00:03:35.680 I can't even say it.

00:03:36.680 Let's just say it involves.

00:03:39.320 Sorry, I'm shaking with laughter.

00:03:40.860 I've never heard you pause that long.

00:03:42.400 Let's just say it involves restorative broth.

00:03:46.480 No, no, no, no.

00:03:52.560 i'm shocked see i i thought it was gonna be blood sausage and and scrapple like in okay here we go

00:03:58.740 hallie lowenthal no shock here folks 1765 okay yes that's what i'm talking about all right

00:04:06.760 near the louvre no served served mostly restorative broth no yes so this is the first

00:04:17.460 time that people left the home now did they eat it there that's to me what a restaurant is right

00:04:21.540 it's not just i mean prepared what is a prepared food it's about public intimacy right of course

00:04:28.100 it's about community that need to that need to perform public intimacy and what could be more

00:04:32.840 intimate and more private give give us give us a little more is there a little more can you give 0.69

00:04:36.820 us because like i just man i'm searching i'm searching according to hmm by the way bullshit

00:04:43.320 paris i mean this is obviously a highly european you know fantasy of of of of history yeah yeah 0.97

00:04:51.520 they're like it was paris bitch i mean i've always pictured it when would someone go into a place 0.91

00:04:58.600 and have like when like when did personal services begin in that way right so you have blacksmiths 0.95

00:05:05.500 and um and uh here we go 11 a.d china 1100 a.d so that sounds a little more there it is that's more

00:05:12.000 that's the that's the real stuff it's 1972 in italy yeah exactly exactly the communal table

00:05:19.720 see that's incredible what are your thoughts on a communal table i classically loathe detest of

00:05:26.920 course okay traditionally speaking it is absolute hell and i'm tired of them trying to pass it off

00:05:34.300 as it's like you're outside the louvre i had one magical communal dining experience here i go folks

00:05:40.760 it was tokyo oh no are you serious you've been to tokyo and here i go or was it kyoto no this

00:05:47.760 was Tokyo. This was Tokyo. The Blind Donkey. Check it out. Fantastic. Known as the Chez Panisse of

00:05:53.680 Japan. Never heard of that either. Chez Panisse? Is it in Paris, Kate? Berkeley, California. The

00:06:00.660 invention of farm to table dining. The mistress of California cuisine, Alice Waters. Okay, you and

00:06:08.220 your LA references. Your Brandy Melville, for example. How dare you? Chez Panisse, by the way.

00:06:14.020 your brandy melville i did to bring her down to size okay because i'm to table cooking my aunt

00:06:20.780 and her farm organic farm supplies a lot of the produce to shape anise okay actually we have to

00:06:25.540 cut that it's too much of a brag but uh keep it i like it but uh shape anise is a essential and it

00:06:34.200 was hard for me to say i don't know it was hard for me to say i don't know listen i'm sorry to

00:06:37.680 shame you shape anise is divine when the world comes back we will go it's in berkeley alice

00:06:42.520 waters is this famous chef she's known as i think kind of the you know the farm's table dining you

00:06:46.940 know she was the the the the worshipping the the ingredients the produce worshipping truly

00:06:53.980 is this restaurant that's in a beautiful craftsman home there's the upstairs one which is kind of the

00:07:03.460 more casual dining and then there's the downstairs which is more formal dining okay but they have and

00:07:08.420 It's like the open kitchen and you're watching the, you know, watching them saute the vegetables and the what have you.

00:07:15.100 And there's, you know, bread and cherries cascading down the hardwood.

00:07:20.420 Rolling down the hardwood.

00:07:22.860 Like bowling balls without the bumpers. 0.80

00:07:25.180 Just rolling across the floors and they get stomped under the naked feet of those who worship at the altar of ingredients. 0.99

00:07:34.780 Smashing Castelvetranos. 0.99

00:07:36.960 Why are you laughing?

00:07:37.940 Oh, I really needed this laughter because you're so funny.

00:07:40.600 I'm sweating.

00:07:41.180 I finally take off my jacket.

00:07:42.480 I've been freezing all morning.

00:07:43.740 I thought there was something funny going on behind me.

00:07:45.560 I didn't know what had happened.

00:07:46.640 It was you.

00:07:47.200 It was you.

00:07:49.440 I have a note in my pad for you.

00:07:51.040 Should we be noting micro greens in a menu item when they're barely present?

00:07:56.260 Okay.

00:07:56.760 That's so funny.

00:07:58.240 You mean a light dusting?

00:07:59.460 Because this has been happening to me.

00:08:00.660 I ordered something.

00:08:02.380 Literally, I would say a total of, you know, it's micro greens.

00:08:05.680 and you're seeing a total of 12 leaves, micro leaves,

00:08:10.560 resting atop something.

00:08:12.680 I don't know.

00:08:13.200 I guess I was expecting something heading in the direction of a light salad.

00:08:19.260 Yeah, and it's 16 of them.

00:08:21.120 Can a garnish be?

00:08:22.360 A garnish should not be listed.

00:08:24.480 Hey, so I have two things to say.

00:08:25.660 First of all, I've talked on the pod before about my love of Houston's,

00:08:29.920 and that's, I think, the Hillstone restaurant group.

00:08:32.320 It is a chain.

00:08:32.860 Went last night.

00:08:34.740 Unbelievable flavor.

00:08:35.680 unbelievable service

00:08:36.860 I'm still shocked you love Houston's

00:08:38.420 love it so much it's absolutely delicious

00:08:41.180 because I associate with my childhood

00:08:43.100 and my grandfather

00:08:43.780 had the filet of soul

00:08:46.160 was moaning had the grilled artichokes

00:08:48.420 just

00:08:49.640 you know just pure heaven

00:08:51.920 so I was going to say when you get back to LA

00:08:54.560 I want to take you to the Beverly Grill

00:08:56.520 because I haven't been in so long

00:08:58.240 and I think you and I would really have a great time there

00:09:00.400 really

00:09:01.540 and yeah it would just be fabulous

00:09:03.480 but I was going to say

00:09:04.280 I remember what I wanted to talk about

00:09:06.400 which was when I was texting you

00:09:07.600 flying high dining alone

00:09:08.900 so I have to say

00:09:11.980 so I've dined alone several times

00:09:13.880 in other cities

00:09:15.160 but I've never had dinner alone

00:09:17.220 in my own city

00:09:18.640 I think this is true

00:09:19.720 I've never

00:09:20.760 yeah I've never gone out for dinner

00:09:23.240 because you've been forced to in other cities

00:09:25.560 right?

00:09:27.480 yeah

00:09:27.700 as an international business woman

00:09:29.460 yeah

00:09:30.080 absolutely

00:09:30.940 and I love that

00:09:32.940 and I love it

00:09:33.960 I had to free you because you were worried about leaving community behind.

00:09:37.420 Yeah.

00:09:37.820 Oh, it's heaven.

00:09:39.200 I absolutely love it.

00:09:40.380 In my own town, I really don't do it.

00:09:43.120 And the other night, I was...

00:09:44.500 You have infinite friend options, I guess.

00:09:47.120 You and all your friends.

00:09:48.260 Well, I guess if I'm eating out, I want to go do it as a social endeavor.

00:09:53.520 There's something that feels just...

00:09:54.920 I once read a book, a business book, called Never Eat Alone.

00:09:59.180 it was basically like

00:10:01.400 it was like you have two to three opportunities

00:10:03.940 every day to network

00:10:05.340 why would you eat alone

00:10:08.360 lunch though

00:10:10.180 to me is health

00:10:11.980 is really good

00:10:14.880 you know what I would call that book

00:10:16.240 you gotta eat

00:10:17.120 genius

00:10:20.020 because that's what you say

00:10:21.300 and I've said it to others

00:10:23.380 well I gotta eat

00:10:24.640 I understand

00:10:26.760 in. Although can you ever truly eat with another? Yes. With a few people I can truly. You would

00:10:33.140 argue yes. Um, some of us, right. Right. But okay, wait. So I, the other night got out of an

00:10:41.000 engagement. I knew I had to work. I was like, I got to go home and write. And I thought, and I

00:10:45.740 was craving sushi and I was just pick something up and take it home. And I thought that felt

00:10:49.140 depressing to me. Like, I don't want to take it home. Right. I was like, what if I were to

00:10:52.400 go out and actually eat it from a restaurant yeah like I just I eat I do that plenty I just

00:10:57.720 something I was like no no I'm not sushi you know and I was really craving it so I went I'm

00:11:03.200 gonna take myself out oh yes this is big I so I went to this place that's really delicious

00:11:08.440 called Sogo and I go in I go just one I sit at the we talked actually about the sushi bar and

00:11:16.460 last week's poop and her own thoughts please yeah this restaurant is just a bar it's really

00:11:21.360 beautiful, but it's just a bar. I go in there. I take my seat. The only option. Yeah. Uh, but I

00:11:28.860 go in, I take my seat instantly. I'm mood elevated. Suddenly I am Virginia Wolf over here. Okay.

00:11:36.640 Yes. A room of one's own. It was like instant. Yeah. It was instant. Okay. I made one final,

00:11:42.700 final, final, fatal flaw. You've got the prosthetic, which was that

00:11:46.680 Prosthetic nose, okay.

00:11:49.880 Well, you know, Virginia Woolf had a prosthetic nose, actually.

00:11:53.480 She had a very Nicole Kidman-like nose,

00:11:55.320 and then Virginia Woolf, the original one,

00:11:57.480 had Nicole Kidman's nose, but wore a prosthetic.

00:12:00.680 So that's why Nicole Kidman was cast, 1.00

00:12:02.100 and then had to wear their prosthetic.

00:12:03.220 I was feeling so refined and so beautiful,

00:12:06.200 and then I took some of the soy sauce to put into my little dish,

00:12:09.260 and I overextended and spilled.

00:12:11.000 Like, it went pouring.

00:12:11.880 Like, I couldn't believe the rate at which the soy sauce poured out.

00:12:14.080 So it was a brief moment of humiliation,

00:12:15.460 like when you're alone and something like that.

00:12:16.480 So wait, listeners want to know, did you pour and it was the speed of pouring that caused

00:12:22.440 it to fill and overflow or was it the anchor of the torque, okay, that just sent it straight

00:12:28.520 to the table?

00:12:30.700 No, it was the first thing that you said.

00:12:33.480 I blame the vessel.

00:12:33.820 Now, why do I need to know?

00:12:35.360 I don't know, but that's what happened.

00:12:37.840 But do you get any pleasure out of telling me the detail?

00:12:40.320 Yes.

00:12:41.080 Does it just feel like a hellish detour?

00:12:43.920 No, no, no, no.

00:12:44.640 No, I love that.

00:12:45.840 that's what happened it wasn't terrible but enough poured over that I was like oh oh and then but it

00:12:50.820 was but then I was fine you know your greatest fears can happen and you're fine so but here's

00:12:55.280 what I was going to say that I was sailing and I was texting you about how wonderful it was I

00:12:59.580 texted my mother about how wonderful it was and then I was like Kate stop just be alone be alone

00:13:05.760 in the experience right I even texted I even reaching out for community to talk about being

00:13:11.280 alone i was reaching out and then i even texted um i even texted my mom i was like and i'm not

00:13:18.060 just sitting here texting the whole time no and then i turned the phone over right yeah yeah i

00:13:22.580 had to double back and you turned it over you didn't put it in your bag no i sure didn't no i

00:13:27.740 had it not on the table i think that's disgusting because your phones are literal just vessels of 0.97

00:13:32.740 shit so i never i hate when people put the phone on the table i think it's just like it's such bad 0.97

00:13:37.100 manners because it's rude to the table is what you're saying it's rude to the whole i just find 0.96

00:13:40.480 it to be like really bad manners I've even been with people and I've said to them like would you

00:13:43.980 mind putting your phone away if I'm really close with them it's just like it's so disgusting to me

00:13:48.340 wait I find it really rude but you turned yours over but no but it wasn't on the table it was on

00:13:53.780 the seat I had a seat next to me where I put some things okay anyway the point is that this is would

00:13:58.740 you ever put your foot up on a public bench no yeah because I just want to feed up on the stuff

00:14:05.380 is hard and you know i was traumatized once even outdoors it depends if you you know your own shoe

00:14:12.220 i agree technically but i felt my foot do it you know your shoe is true you know your own shoe

00:14:17.540 so concrete though if it's concrete something changes for me can i tell you that i was once

00:14:22.140 humiliated i was once humiliated by a friend by a french waiter and it changed my life 0.99

00:14:26.920 i was in paris i was like 19 years old my friend 20 years old 1920 your foot where the fuck was 0.97

00:14:34.060 your foot that a frenchman listen to this listen to this oh my god i can it's it's a visceral 0.97

00:14:39.700 memory i can feel the shame and by the way i deserved it it changed my life forever we're

00:14:43.880 outdoors at a cafe we're outdoors at a cafe and they're like oh my god i'm getting honestly it's

00:14:50.720 making me hot just nervous yeah i'm nervous too my stomach i'm yeah this is horrible so i was

00:14:56.760 sitting at a table with the rattan you know classic courage though to confess this this is

00:15:02.480 huge courage. I don't know how it happened. I was 19. I was a fool. I lounged back in my chair and

00:15:09.940 put my feet up on the other chair that was under the table. Okay. Let's just, let's just, let's

00:15:15.880 just get the truth. So my feet were tucked under the table. So I was lounging back and I had my

00:15:21.160 feet up on the thing and the waiter came. That's a huge question. Yeah. All right. Tell the story

00:15:25.600 and then we'll go back and dissect because there's a lot to hear. I had my feet up on the thing. He

00:15:30.660 comes over to take my order and he goes oh my god oh my god i remember it he was clutching his

00:15:39.240 his little pad on which to write my order and he goes yeah please in a french accent

00:15:46.680 like please please i can't do it no but it was like he was so ashamed for me he was so

00:15:55.080 repulsed as he should have been he could not believe what i was doing and he didn't even

00:16:00.520 have to i knew what he was talking about he knew and it was so and i think i just like out of

00:16:04.980 complete horror like took my feet down and was like you know i don't know what happened but it

00:16:10.240 changed my life forever oh wait the whole word was please he only said he just said please

00:16:16.420 amazing amazing oh my god anyway in english well yeah in english he knew i was a disgusting 0.99

00:16:24.240 american how do you know you're an american how did he know you were a pig american how do you 0.99

00:16:29.660 think honey yeah i was eating funnel cake with my feet up right he's never had to say 0.98

00:16:35.180 hacking yeah exactly

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00:18:51.740 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:18:57.100 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:19:00.920 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:19:02.260 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

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00:20:18.040 Isn't it terrible to just eat something unsatisfying?

00:20:27.520 Well, I famously have eaten half of a meal at a restaurant

00:20:32.280 Left, got in line

00:20:35.040 Well, one time, was waiting in line for Good Enough to Eat

00:20:38.600 We used to go like once a week

00:20:39.960 What the hell is that?

00:20:41.740 It was a, Chris and I used to go to this place Good Enough to Eat

00:20:45.060 when we lived on the Upper West Side.

00:20:47.200 I'm not familiar.

00:20:48.880 It's a celebrated brunch establishment.

00:20:51.880 People travel from far distances to go.

00:20:56.480 And they had the most delicious biscuits

00:20:58.580 with strawberry butter.

00:21:00.940 Oh.

00:21:02.300 It was so good.

00:21:03.680 And it was well run.

00:21:05.020 And it was sensational.

00:21:05.880 I remember it raining once.

00:21:08.220 And the guy coming over

00:21:10.160 and drying off my friend's head

00:21:12.500 with a napkin

00:21:14.840 with just like utter ease

00:21:16.800 I want to say something about

00:21:17.660 because a napkin

00:21:18.300 this is when a restaurant is run so exquisitely

00:21:21.420 is when you're wearing something black

00:21:23.620 and they bring you a black napkin

00:21:25.820 so the white napkin

00:21:27.960 doesn't affect what you're wearing

00:21:30.460 I'll never forget

00:21:32.400 I'm trying to remember where it first was

00:21:33.840 I was wearing nice

00:21:35.600 kind of formal black pants

00:21:37.160 this guy comes over

00:21:39.280 and he hands me a black cloth napkin

00:21:42.100 so as not to destroy my look and now and by the way recently this is actually kind of obnoxious

00:21:49.080 I was at Altro Paradiso favorite restaurant in New York City wearing fine black pants they gave

00:21:54.800 me white might as well briefly terrified that that wasn't clear okay go on I requested a black I was

00:21:59.940 like you don't have black cloth napkins do you and she very like kindly was just like no and I was

00:22:04.900 like wow pretty bold to ask i'm blown away well also because i mean who's the visual for at that

00:22:13.680 point your lap's under the table right no it's not about it's not about the visual interruption

00:22:17.340 of the pants it's about the white napkin pilling it's about it creates fuzz so there's white okay 1.00

00:22:24.280 there's white fuzz on the pants oh wow okay yeah then you get up and you're fucked your 1.00

00:22:30.680 But your clothes are fucked. 1.00

00:22:33.060 First of all, can you believe I thought it was about the disruption of the outfit? 1.00

00:22:36.300 I can't believe that.

00:22:37.080 It's incredible.

00:22:37.980 And I was like, I was going to be like, what restaurants are you going to?

00:22:42.680 Lap exposed?

00:22:44.940 No, just where they would worry about such a thing.

00:22:47.740 Yeah, no.

00:22:48.340 But yeah, lap exposed as well.

00:22:49.980 Can you imagine eating with lap exposed?

00:22:51.560 Well, that's the hell of most lounge seating.

00:22:54.300 Oh, yeah.

00:22:54.820 You ever get offered the lounge as though the lounge slash bar?

00:22:59.640 yeah exactly and and as though it's a comparable offer i mean look there are times when yes i'm

00:23:07.640 relieved to hear that the kitchen that it's the full dinner menu at the bar that there can be fun

00:23:13.740 to be had there can be fun to be had well you know i hate a bar stool classically yeah any form

00:23:20.060 like legs dangling um the bar is never if if and you know it's the worst feeling in the world if

00:23:26.420 you go to scoot your bar seat closer to the bar,

00:23:29.960 your body does it on instinct,

00:23:31.780 and then you remember that it's bolted to the floor

00:23:34.400 and you cannot get any closer.

00:23:35.740 Oh, yeah.

00:23:37.180 So do you want to hear the rest of the brunch?

00:23:38.760 Yes, please.

00:23:40.020 So we would go.

00:23:40.840 It was absolutely sensational.

00:23:43.200 We would go.

00:23:43.980 We would eat a big meal there and then go home and nap.

00:23:47.100 It was like an athletic level of sort of brunch eating

00:23:51.880 that required a nap after.

00:23:53.620 It was just incredible.

00:23:54.340 and then um one time it was like the line was too long we were so hungry and we were like all right 0.92

00:24:00.900 let's just try that fucking place next door who cares how bad can it be you know what i mean 0.89

00:24:04.060 yeah went in ordered something i'll have to report to the listeners later exactly what was served 0.99

00:24:09.920 it was so bad that i was like we have to leave no we'll pay whatever we have to leave this is like

00:24:14.840 the worst thing that's ever been seen on a plate okay and i'm not hard to please despite how it may

00:24:20.140 sound yeah i'm really not actually that's another thing i want to talk about remind me about the

00:24:24.340 artichoke dip but anyway okay left the restaurant after eating like four bites got back in line at

00:24:30.940 the other place okay i love that because similarly i once had a very extravagant john early and i

00:24:37.280 this is right when pandemic when it was like restaurants were starting to it was like

00:24:41.920 immediately post vaccine like kind of this like utopia like are we are we free and went out to

00:24:49.120 dinner at this place had a full meal disappointing was shocked you know I was like it's not the same

00:24:54.520 something's wrong we still had full cocktails appetizers I mean we had it all

00:24:59.700 devastating the ambiance was off because we were outdoors and it was like okay but but the food

00:25:05.180 was off and it was heartbreaking so much so we went to a different restaurant and sat down and

00:25:11.560 started again and it was it was too much it was really extravagant because the first meal was

00:25:17.420 extravagant. And it was like,

00:25:19.720 and I was like, let's go to the other place. And it was at that point

00:25:21.500 like 9.30. I was like, I think we'll be able to get a table

00:25:23.380 because it's 9.30. Went and

00:25:25.400 sat down. I was like,

00:25:27.460 you know, effervescent off my,

00:25:29.420 maybe I had two cocktails, you know, and I was like,

00:25:31.340 we were just at, I'll redact the name for their

00:25:33.220 privacy. And I was like, we came here

00:25:35.260 for a second dinner because we were disappointed.

00:25:37.500 And the waitress kind of was like, I heard they fell off.

00:25:39.620 You know, it was really, yeah.

00:25:41.140 And then immediately realized

00:25:43.340 like, I actually don't have the capacity

00:25:45.100 to eat a second dinner immediately.

00:25:47.420 So you had eaten the full meal, right?

00:25:49.700 We didn't go the full.

00:25:50.620 We ordered like a pasta and like a meat course

00:25:53.360 and I could barely touch it.

00:25:54.620 And shared the two?

00:25:56.020 No, sorry.

00:25:56.740 I'm still at the first restaurant.

00:25:58.120 If you had fully eaten.

00:25:59.120 But it was fun and we had dessert.

00:26:00.200 We ordered dessert as well at the second place.

00:26:03.220 But it was two dinners back to back.

00:26:05.400 It's a kind of extravagance

00:26:07.700 and evidence of a shared neuroses

00:26:12.040 or, you know, a shared, not neuroses, a shared...

00:26:14.540 Overcorrection.

00:26:15.280 No, the need to correct it.

00:26:16.480 the need to, yeah. It's really hard when a meal, when a meal goes poorly, when you, when you do

00:26:24.860 that, it's just particularly if you're, you're going out, you put on a little outfit and you

00:26:29.980 know, you're spending money. I mean, it's really painful. I struggle to dress for dinner because

00:26:37.020 I don't want anything to get in the way. I don't want to get anything to get in the way of my

00:26:42.440 enjoyment of the food you know what i mean so comfort is primary have you ever had this this

00:26:48.600 is the thing the artichoke thing i'm just gonna say before i forget which is went out with a group

00:26:52.320 of people to a place in new york that they were all very on board with and even like they're like

00:26:58.080 we're friends with a chef or something there was some connection there right so i really felt that

00:27:01.800 they were sold on this place we go out we have a nice meal one of the things is like an artichoke

00:27:06.780 dip okay it comes other people have a bite or two i'm like eating in the way i eat which is um

00:27:14.580 there's these this stuff that i need to put away into my body right like it's like i eat at the

00:27:20.080 speed that i would pack a suitcase yeah with the items i need to pack it with it's like back it in

00:27:24.960 actually i'll tell you something that happened to me earlier this week relatedly so anyway i'm eating

00:27:31.540 that artichoke dip right yeah yeah and at the end they're like just talking over overall about

00:27:37.140 the meal they're like yeah the artichoke dip was disgusting and i'm like i feel the shame 0.88

00:27:42.660 of course because i was like happily shoveling it in like a fool like a dog yeah you know and then

00:27:49.780 like so i almost felt it was wrong it was almost like ben stiller like why'd you let me sleep it's 0.93

00:27:54.880 like you all like i just think if someone's clearly enjoying it you shouldn't tell them

00:27:59.920 it's disgusting it's rude it's so it's just it's so rude it's really rude i actually had i went to

00:28:06.120 a really nice dinner last night really really fun and um was really aware i thought of you

00:28:12.920 because i had the panic about sharing food and it was a thing where it was a business dinner so you

00:28:19.680 know i wasn't paying right which was exciting right and i there was a reference about a steak

00:28:26.860 free and we'll get a steak free for the table.

00:28:28.980 And I was like, in my mind, I'm starting to spiral

00:28:31.020 because you can't get a steak free for the table.

00:28:32.960 What does that even mean?

00:28:34.020 As a side, as a shared side?

00:28:35.960 Let's order a bunch of stuff, we'll get a steak free.

00:28:38.060 And I had mentioned that I was really looking forward to steak free

00:28:40.280 and I was like privately spiraling.

00:28:42.460 And I was like, you can't split a steak free.

00:28:44.860 And so I went to a bowl and I said, speak up.

00:28:47.720 And I said, I don't know if this place is like a shared place.

00:28:51.500 Oh, I'm so proud of you.

00:28:52.780 And the whole table went silent.

00:28:54.520 There were four of us.

00:28:55.140 That's an exaggeration.

00:28:56.080 but um but they looked at me and he's like really and then so now restaurants right i when did this

00:29:03.040 start happening i'm 15 years ago where they go we're sharing people share what the hell are you

00:29:08.960 talking about i have you what does that mean people have that baked into like the philosophy

00:29:13.980 dining at these restaurants that it's share plates i'm like i understand that when it's like

00:29:17.200 okay yes we're going to like a mediterranean restaurant exactly you know and it's like tapas

00:29:22.500 which also let's get real let's get real it's actually the implication that tapas is inherently

00:29:28.480 like share plates when literally tapas will often come with three you heard me three items of a

00:29:35.200 given thing okay like three arancini rice balls right yeah yeah okay so first of all you're

00:29:40.340 screwed for two two people you're cutting a rice ball in half but i believe yeah there was a period

00:29:46.900 where um sort of these you know the the big the sort of renowned Italian restaurants it was like

00:29:54.500 no it's family style of course it's family style whatever right so people got in the spirit of that 1.00

00:29:58.520 and then these these hogs okay who can't make a goddamn decision I just I mean this is why I only 1.00

00:30:05.640 eat with certain people okay well you know I will say here in Italy I've been eating outside almost 1.00

00:30:11.660 exclusively and it's been it's been ecstasy and a big part of it has become i will not tolerate

00:30:17.640 indoor lighting that's how i know in a restaurant anymore these bright uh nothing works from above

00:30:24.180 fluorescents i go am i in the freezer section of the supermarket my restaurant that i plan to open

00:30:30.520 in my mid 50s will only be illuminated by lamps well yeah yeah yeah there it is lamps candles

00:30:38.200 lamps candles festoons an occasional festoon of light of light festoon festoon is one of my

00:30:46.060 favorite words but a festoon is like an adore it's like um what do you call it it's like no

00:30:50.920 okay yes that's what i thought no no totally like a bit like a banner but a festoon light

00:30:55.660 like an illuminated festoon maybe the restaurant's called festoon what about a chandelier well that's

00:31:01.420 a great restaurant name there it is what about a chandelier sorry i'm i'm yes yes but i'm still

00:31:07.660 You're stuck on that.

00:31:09.040 I finally found the name for my restaurant. 0.98

00:31:10.700 Festoon is a perfect word.

00:31:11.600 I finally found the name.

00:31:13.060 Festoon.

00:31:13.520 Yeah, Festoon.

00:31:15.180 Oh my God.

00:31:16.460 Let me tell you a little more why it's good.

00:31:18.860 Table for four at Festoon at eight o'clock.

00:31:21.180 Good luck.

00:31:21.900 It's done.

00:31:22.440 Good luck.

00:31:23.500 I know it's done.

00:31:24.680 Festoon.

00:31:25.400 First of all, it has FET in it as in celebration.

00:31:28.360 Okay, FET, Festoon.

00:31:29.580 This is huge.

00:31:31.240 Okay.

00:31:31.900 Oon.

00:31:32.340 What is oon in terms of dinner?

00:31:33.940 Because there is something.

00:31:34.880 Oh, spoon.

00:31:35.760 Okay, we've got a spoon in there.

00:31:37.300 yeah a serving spoon inside of the festoon we've got fat we've got festoon i can i can already feel

00:31:44.000 it well i we went to festoon once again i worry for you that you've said it and it's going to be

00:31:49.300 instantly stolen i know probably we'll guess what if it is whoever steals it you'll be hearing from

00:31:55.280 the legal team okay because lawyers because they are sharp they have they are they are hungry yeah

00:32:04.420 they're waiting yeah yeah their feet are are cloven okay and they and they are they are

00:32:12.360 waiting it's it's a it's a stiletto heel that's what i was picturing a sharp stiletto heel but

00:32:17.900 then when they lift up the heel on the bottom where normally you'd see the um part that goes

00:32:21.900 under the all of the foot that's where you see the cloven truth you see that's where you see

00:32:26.720 it's empty and you see the cloven foot if you notice this that americans who spend time in the

00:32:33.660 uk or europe say as well a lot they go well i'll do that as well and they go it's very interesting

00:32:40.360 we'll have water as well i i see it that one's hard for me because for some unknown reason i

00:32:45.740 tend to say as well i say as well too and i feel like it's me it's like a teenage attempt to sound

00:32:51.260 right traveled as opposed to saying two also all that too yeah i'll have that as well oh and could

00:32:58.580 we have um god sorry just let's play restaurant for one second because just you saying that okay

00:33:03.880 i want to okay it was so fun let's pretend let's pretend got excited i know made me really excited

00:33:08.920 okay how's this oh wait here's it here's the cocktails are on their way i just wanted to

00:33:13.020 check in if you wanted to put in an order for any appetizer while you're figuring out what you want

00:33:16.380 for the rest of your meal do you want me to put something into the kitchen oh my god by the way

00:33:21.060 they almost never do that they almost by the way they almost never do i know that's why i created

00:33:25.000 it they don't want you to put in an app they know that's why i created it because it's a fantasy

00:33:30.480 okay yeah go okay well i wanted to order shrimp cocktail how many shrimp are in the shrimp cocktail

00:33:38.300 no i wouldn't ask that it's ridiculous in my mind six but i don't know i was gonna say six i was

00:33:43.140 gonna say could we do um let's start with a shrimp cocktail and what looks good to you well i'm just

00:33:48.660 i'm immediately heading to my classics like when i would go to ultra paradisio and it always started

00:33:54.240 with Arancini.

00:33:56.080 Arancini.

00:33:56.740 Oh, well, let's just get an order for Arancini just so we don't pass away instantly.

00:34:02.260 Yeah.

00:34:02.520 Yeah.

00:34:03.680 God.

00:34:04.340 No, but to be able to relax and study the menu, but knowing something's on its way.

00:34:08.680 I mean, I'm going to dinner with a friend on Sunday and I've been looking at, oh, but

00:34:14.200 looking at the menu ahead of time because I had never been, I've never been.

00:34:17.680 And so it feels because I'm such a creature of habit and repetition and I want what I

00:34:22.800 want I don't it's much more rare for me to go to a new restaurant but I'm going to a new restaurant

00:34:27.860 and then the thrill of examining the menus days in advance but then is there a loss of joy in

00:34:32.700 sitting down and seeing it for the first time I still don't know the answer where are you with

00:34:36.860 there might be okay here here's what it is you ready for this this is big yeah so like it matters

00:34:42.460 to me the question of with a given friend if we're splitting and movies no no no I wasn't even

00:34:48.740 gonna go there sorry I'll let you speak like let's let's go to a place we've both never been

00:34:53.440 oh yeah that's fun that's fun or let's go to a place we both love yeah those are kind of to me

00:35:00.040 the ideals now because and and and this is a control thing for you yeah obviously like you're

00:35:09.600 like okay this place is amazing we're going to this place right and you have your ideas about

00:35:13.660 what you want and you're stuck on it I sometimes hear these things like I hear them in my head

00:35:18.360 You were just going crispy lacy edges

00:35:20.560 Crispy lacy edges

00:35:21.980 About the Commodore's burger

00:35:23.960 I had that burger today

00:35:25.920 No it's about burgers never say die

00:35:27.780 Astonishing that title

00:35:29.640 That that's the name of the restaurant

00:35:31.240 And that's what good food is produced

00:35:33.400 It's incredible

00:35:33.920 So going to a restaurant that you know and love already

00:35:39.020 That I've never been to

00:35:39.820 Of course there's one element of pleasure

00:35:41.420 Which is you love this place

00:35:42.720 You will have good recommendations about what to get

00:35:45.120 But it's a completely

00:35:47.920 different experience than us discovering a restaurant together it's like going in raw

00:35:53.880 is really fun going in together raw exploring assessing my heart is pounding right now

00:35:59.820 out of excitement out of imagining yeah so so i have taken to i feel like this may have happened

00:36:06.580 if let's say you're like we have to go to blah blah blah okay i may peruse the menu in advance

00:36:12.520 in that scenario so that I am not just completely steamrolled into an order so I'm trying to look

00:36:21.740 at study the menu in the moment that I'm not steamrolled going you don't want that yeah yeah

00:36:26.660 so I've time to notice things that I might not otherwise notice you know this is a different

00:36:32.000 this is a different level of you know restaurants or church kind of existence but yeah I don't

00:36:37.460 always do it i i do think it's if you've heard the restaurant's really good yeah don't bother

00:36:42.800 with looking online i think so but it can be tempting it's fun though it's really fun but

00:36:49.000 you guess what it is a thief of joy because last night i was looking at the menu for this place

00:36:54.960 there was no one to turn to my home it felt like cheating a little bit okay that's what it is it

00:37:04.120 feels a little bit like cheating and even I particularly here's another thing you can't show

00:37:08.980 up with ideas you can't show up going I was thinking we could get this and that and split this

00:37:13.040 I mean you can't do that I would never do that to someone right but I would also I would hate if

00:37:17.920 you had studied the menu anew and then faked with me in person okay like that would be like my worst

00:37:23.760 nightmare you're like I am so I value like knowing what's going on in this way that you would feel 0.98

00:37:31.880 like you were a fool that would be abandonment to me for you to be like yeah and I could see your 0.93

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00:37:40.120 I'd pull you out and I wouldn't let you do it to me okay because you know I'd be like no I'd rather

00:37:44.020 hear about it but I can almost see you being like I think the mozzarella with the pea shoots yeah

00:37:48.260 I think I might fake it I think you're right I could see myself faking it

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00:41:29.440 ad council and pivotal but here's here's the thing if you are going to look at a menu in advance

00:41:40.320 do it on the restaurant's proper website or get out of here always are you kidding me you think

00:41:45.700 i'm going to yelp google google some photograph some blurry photo of a menu from 1902 absolutely

00:41:53.600 i'm going to the proper website even if it's there no i don't want to see it yeah i just i'm like oh

00:41:59.380 i just want to live in i want to talk about restaurants i want to talk about so i think

00:42:01.920 about restaurants me too i just remember how how deeply i got burned because you know some

00:42:05.440 restaurants make a reservation they'll hold your card right and you have to do 24-hour cancellation

00:42:10.280 i recently reservation it was 48 hour cancellation which is oh they require 48

00:42:16.820 completely obscene yeah new york or la la and that's what was weird oh no i guess it's kind

00:42:23.760 of almost to be assumed so so here's what it is 48 hour or they charge you 25 ahead

00:42:29.940 it's for two people i let them know over 24 hours in advance that i wasn't going to be able to make

00:42:37.540 it. And they still charge me. And I was like, wait, really? Even though I'm over 24 hours

00:42:42.500 and this isn't like a ticketed restaurant where it's a very limited seating. This is

00:42:46.700 a restaurant that's, I'm just not convinced they're not going to fill those seats. Do

00:42:50.420 you know what I mean? This isn't like a Blue Hill situation.

00:42:55.540 Is that a fine restaurant in Los Angeles?

00:42:58.340 In New York. And I'm thinking about the farm, you know, you like go to the farm and I mean,

00:43:02.420 I don't know, but it's just.

00:43:04.040 Any blue blah, blah, blah. Like I, those names all float together.

00:43:07.540 I thought 48 hours was a bit much.

00:43:10.340 I think it is too.

00:43:11.080 Also, a cancellation of a dinner, it either happens that day or, I don't know, it's weird,

00:43:19.640 like canceling dinner two days in advance.

00:43:21.720 Someone gets sick, someone can't do it.

00:43:24.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:25.420 No, I felt offended because I do take it really seriously.

00:43:28.600 When I make a reservation, I don't just not show up if I'm not going to go.

00:43:31.440 I have anxiety about that.

00:43:33.720 I really let places know.

00:43:35.280 So it just felt like they were really injuring someone that was on their side all along.

00:43:41.600 You know, well, that's the thing.

00:43:43.500 I mean, if we're all sloppy about it, they're going to put those.

00:43:45.920 So I paid $50.

00:43:47.320 I paid $50.

00:43:47.820 Yeah, no, I've done it.

00:43:48.660 I'm trying to remember.

00:43:49.360 I did it in New York.

00:43:50.260 24 hours.

00:43:51.600 And I was like, it is what it is.

00:43:55.180 Oh, my God.

00:43:55.700 I really want to go to a restaurant with you. 0.99

00:43:57.320 This sucks. 0.99

00:43:57.660 Just imagine. 0.98

00:43:58.560 I'm just like, I mean, sorry, my eyes are getting a little teary.

00:44:01.360 I'm just remembering the bread and the ricotta and the olive oil at Ultra, okay?

00:44:07.740 Oh, yeah.

00:44:08.180 But just when warm, fresh bread with those pockets of air and you hold it up to your nose

00:44:15.440 and there's that sort of sourdough smell.

00:44:19.440 The fermentation.

00:44:20.500 The fermentation, yeah.

00:44:21.440 What makes you more emotional?

00:44:23.000 This is a key question.

00:44:24.200 Bread or pasta?

00:44:25.920 Sorry.

00:44:28.460 What makes you more emotional?

00:44:29.920 exquisite olive oil or exquisite butter and don't answer because i have to think for myself

00:44:35.120 okay hold on let me think it's context though it's really hard

00:44:42.840 exquisite let me narrow it a little bit okay so we're at the finest restaurant in the world

00:44:50.780 okay we know nothing other than every single thing they do is the best okay so so we don't

00:44:55.680 have to worry about yeah you know it's quality so you know that back there they have either

00:44:59.900 they they offer one two things they offer their butter with their olive oil you don't get to know

00:45:07.380 and bread okay paired with bread of course of course of course okay oh i just had anxiety

00:45:13.880 about when they have crisp when they have flatbread instead of real bread if you go to a

00:45:17.660 restaurant and they only have flatbread they only offer a cracker without bread oh sorry when you

00:45:23.060 said flatbread I was picturing more like bread I meant like a crisp like a cracker by the way a

00:45:27.880 high quality cracker will make you drop to your knees and moan like for sure I love a good cracker

00:45:32.520 I'm sorry but continue I want to talk about this I just was thinking about how upsetting it would

00:45:35.480 be if they only had crackers I want to live in this I want to live in this so you know you know

00:45:39.620 they have the finest olive oil you know they have the finest like butter you don't know in what way

00:45:44.940 but you know it is absolutely the best in the world and you get one or the other served with

00:45:49.900 your bread and you don't get to come back to the restaurant you're leaving town I know what I want

00:45:54.000 hold on butter it's actually it surprised me my answer surprised me is it butter yeah me too and

00:46:02.220 it surprised me too in a way no only once we I think but I think I know why I think it's because

00:46:07.840 for some reason I don't actually know I don't actually have much experience with like what's

00:46:13.720 an incredible butter versus like what's making this butter so good is it just pure quality is

00:46:18.520 it like oh it's herbed salt no I don't want it herbed I meant just like the I don't know what 0.92

00:46:26.540 is it I would actually be upset if it were herbed because I'd be like what are you hiding what are

00:46:32.800 you hiding well yeah I mean it's like butter not enough is butter not enough if you want an herb

00:46:38.960 you know sprinkle it a top I mean now I'm just back to the crostini again

00:46:43.500 a thick slab of cold butter what was it parsley anchovy the parsley a lot of that parsley a lot

00:46:52.200 of parsley crunch crunch crunchy crunchy crunchy so you've probably heard of this hot spot italian

00:47:00.240 restaurant here in hollywood called mother wolf that opened evan funke of felix on the west side

00:47:05.720 opened up laughing at the love the name of course very clarissa pincola estee so it's called

00:47:11.540 mother wolf i keep forgetting and calling it hunger wolf um it's called mother wolf and it's

00:47:17.220 like this you know huge you cutting out the mother i know and i got a fear of the divine 0.58

00:47:23.660 feminine strikes again i don't even have dumbstruck okay okay go i've never seen you dumbstruck okay

00:47:34.420 but the point is it's like it's like i've only been i've been you know exactly twice but it's

00:47:38.680 like very much this thing of like whoa it's such a scene you know you go there and there's like

00:47:42.300 4 000 celebrities whatever are you going to dinner with where's my invite i would

00:47:46.420 more love to go with you well so here's the thing so when i went i was there and found myself in a

00:47:55.280 situation where i was you know the least famous person at the table and no but the manager came

00:48:02.420 by the only one he wasn't just trying to feed their family folks can you leave us alone the

00:48:07.400 card came down. He was like, ha ha ha ha. And he takes his business card. It's the manager and

00:48:11.760 kind of puts it on the table. I snatch it up. The manager? Oh, like a Hollywood manager you

00:48:16.160 mean? No, no, no. The manager of the fucking restaurant comes over. The manager of the

00:48:20.460 restaurant put his own credit card down to pay for the mail. Business card. Okay. I know. I figured

00:48:24.760 it out before I'd said it, but I had to follow through. And so I, you know, sticky fingers grab

00:48:29.000 it. I'm like, I'm the one who needs this. So I take it and I feel like I leave him like, I got

00:48:33.760 it baby i got the guy's business card i'm gonna email directly for because the whole thing is that

00:48:38.260 it's impossible to get in it's impossible to get in right so then i my friend wanted to go and i

00:48:43.780 was like actually i have the guy's business card so my plan was to email him but then my friend got

00:48:48.160 a reservation the point is i was at the restaurant i saw i clocked the manager now i'm searching his

00:48:54.860 face for recognition when he's looking at me like oh yeah i know who she's been here of course

00:48:58.040 nothing blank face cold icy stare not icy but just complete and it was devastating and so i kept

00:49:03.780 being like and i was like i gotta make i gotta make the connection tonight i gotta make the

00:49:06.840 connection tonight and you know you and you know that you can charm at all costs okay so like no

00:49:11.220 one's business i mean you know you can do it in probably what under eight seconds just go uh like

00:49:16.380 like it's it's an energy that you bring you know you can you can be different well i'm saying as

00:49:21.900 again live for restaurants so i'm like i gotta get in here so i i'm sontering church for me sir

00:49:27.860 and you were my priest.

00:49:30.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:31.720 The sacrament is the reservation.

00:49:34.980 And so I, as we're leaving,

00:49:38.560 I kind of touch his arm and I go, hi.

00:49:40.700 And he says, hi.

00:49:41.540 And I say, you know, I was here a few weeks ago

00:49:44.460 and you gave me your business card, but I lost it.

00:49:47.640 And so I see his face looking at me.

00:49:49.400 He's like, okay.

00:49:50.440 So I'm imagining him like, 1.00

00:49:52.020 I don't know who the hell this bitch is, 1.00

00:49:53.080 but I gave her my card. 1.00

00:49:54.200 So like, does she own ExxonMobil?

00:49:56.580 Like what's going on?

00:49:57.320 So he, the pro that he is,

00:50:00.080 well, let's get your phone out.

00:50:03.320 Take my number.

00:50:04.980 He proceeds to put in his,

00:50:07.780 what I can only assume is his direct cell phone.

00:50:10.100 So his fingers are tromping across your screen.

00:50:13.900 Tromping across.

00:50:14.500 We have a little joke.

00:50:15.800 We have a little moment here.

00:50:17.420 Right. 0.99

00:50:18.640 And I leave going, I'm fucking in. 0.99

00:50:21.840 You're in. 0.99

00:50:22.420 I love when you're in.

00:50:23.600 So I have a question to you.

00:50:24.880 I was like almost tempted to text him the next day

00:50:27.480 Like what a great meal

00:50:28.280 And I was like okay don't do that

00:50:29.600 You know leave him alone

00:50:30.540 So I just think the next time

00:50:31.640 I want to make a reservation and get in there

00:50:33.660 I just text him 0.99

00:50:34.540 That's so fucking bull 0.99

00:50:35.580 I have to be careful 1.00

00:50:36.160 That's really intense

00:50:37.360 Right

00:50:38.040 You want to play that card right

00:50:39.640 All right let's

00:50:40.380 Let me break this down for a second

00:50:42.200 So here I think of a key move

00:50:43.140 By the way flooded with emotion right now

00:50:44.420 Dying to go with you

00:50:45.100 Continue

00:50:45.700 The food is really

00:50:47.240 Is just undeniable

00:50:48.340 It just is

00:50:49.060 Distracted by like

00:50:49.720 Like you finished speaking

00:50:50.820 And so you're immediately into planning

00:50:52.100 Like I'm going to lock in the meal

00:50:53.640 I want to lock it in

00:50:54.720 so a couple things one and i could be wrong i could be wrong there's two ways to play this

00:51:00.440 well there's infinite ways okay but there's a couple this is the first binary i'm coming across

00:51:04.800 one do you make sure that that the restaurant's booked okay that there are no res is available

00:51:10.840 okay i don't mean to laugh but it's never it's always fully booked the only way to get yeah

00:51:17.120 well i mean technically there has to be some way right is it three months in advance what is it

00:51:22.120 No, it's that they take reservations only seven days in advance,

00:51:25.880 but you have to stay up till midnight to make them a whole thing.

00:51:29.160 I wonder if they have, because on, I think, I forget which one,

00:51:33.080 Rezzy, I had a thing in New York going where I had the notifications,

00:51:38.040 the waitlist, whatever.

00:51:38.880 Yeah, they have that.

00:51:39.860 They have that.

00:51:40.360 You get it.

00:51:40.660 You fly to your feet.

00:51:42.660 And I once got one for this place.

00:51:45.240 Yeah.

00:51:46.040 They were like, run, and then it was gone.

00:51:47.620 Yeah, it's scarcity, God.

00:51:51.360 you know and and and i'll take it even if it's fake you know what i mean just oh yeah just let

00:51:56.140 me live let me believe i'm let me believe i'm getting something rare so if it's always booked

00:52:01.300 i still just okay fine let's assume it's booked great do you go straight to him sure okay here's

00:52:08.820 a question what note has he put in his phone hey oh no i mean like how did he note you i didn't

00:52:17.500 text him back. He gave you his number or he texted you. I forgot. He texted me from, he texted

00:52:22.840 himself from my phone and was like, Hey, yeah. So he then did have to arguably input some kind

00:52:29.620 of contact. So, you know, you know, no, no, no, no, he didn't. I never texted him. Oh wait,

00:52:34.560 I'm stupid. Help me, help me, help me, help me. No, he did. He texted himself. He did. See, 1.00

00:52:38.940 this is what the technology laps for me. It always happens. That's why I forgot the Google

00:52:43.180 drive was available okay i like i know i become so abstract oh my god keep going no i know you

00:52:48.760 ran home to collect your files like a couple of stones in a bag i ran home to collect files last

00:52:54.980 night like an 80s businesswoman forgetting that the files are in the internet grab your floppies

00:52:59.680 i don't need to go home to my physical computer to get the files it happened to me yesterday okay

00:53:05.140 you're rooting through a desk yeah the the scene that unfolded and you getting it again getting

00:53:11.480 the number again i think that moment is seared in the hippocampus as you'd say indelible in the

00:53:16.440 hippocampus yeah okay lodged in the amygdala okay okay because he experienced panic and then 1.00

00:53:21.880 relief okay he experienced the panic of his is this a woman i'm supposed to know you're a fucking 0.94

00:53:26.160 genius yeah so that scene is locked in now okay oh god now i think you just need one one kind of 0.73

00:53:32.760 solidifying event and i'm not sure it is the text for the for the wreck i think it might be

00:53:37.660 this time you go into the restaurant yeah okay and this time he's ready to clock you and this

00:53:42.780 time i know his name sweetheart yeah talk about indelible in the hippocampus and if he experiences

00:53:48.620 panic and doesn't okay oh yeah then i'm really i mean when you when you text when he texted you

00:53:54.720 from your phone he what did he write like i'm protecting his identity he said hey it's name

00:54:00.300 and then wrote mother wolf yeah to himself from my phone doesn't make sense he did he take your

00:54:07.840 phone he took my phone and he tromped his fingers across he texted his he texted himself right so

00:54:13.960 i would think he would write hey it's kate berlant no he didn't it was my job to text back

00:54:20.180 oh no it was my job text back wasn't it text back no it it went to him

00:54:26.540 what doesn't make sense okay so here's what you have okay this here's what i so in your phone

00:54:34.480 right now there's hey johnny cakes right it's me johnny cakes and then that's it so what you do now

00:54:45.280 yeah is you just say either right now you go realize they never gave you my name kaperlant

00:54:52.840 okay pasta emoji and you're out huge question huge question all right a potential reservation

00:54:59.020 is on the books in the next two weeks though this would be weird this would be crazy okay this is a

00:55:04.760 bad idea i was gonna say once i have i have my idea was i have the reservation solidified

00:55:09.680 and text hey it's cape berlin coming to the restaurant tonight hope to see you that's crazy

00:55:15.820 I agree. I think that sounds like, like you're interested romantically or something. I, I,

00:55:24.380 I think, I think you solidify with your greatest skill charm in person. Got it. Done.

00:55:30.460 Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I just had a huge idea. This is crazy, but I never gave you

00:55:34.280 the number. You know what I would almost do? Oh, I never gave you my name. Yeah. Yeah. That's

00:55:38.180 perfect. Okay. Want to hear this, which is so a friend of mine, a friend of mine put this in my

00:55:44.340 mind as something you can do and holy shit if there's a restaurant i wouldn't do this here 0.64

00:55:51.080 because this place is so like it would be so kind of embarrassing it would actually instantly mark

00:55:56.240 me like a peasant right because it's like don't people that go here sometimes you want to separate

00:56:00.060 yourself as the only salt of the earth person who truly gets the restaurant okay so let's hear

00:56:06.320 exactly classic totally okay so here so here's so here's a possibility oh my god oh my god

00:56:12.640 just making me laugh I was like I can feel myself that I think I might do it oh no no

00:56:16.980 okay so also the last time the last time I was there I saw the chef okay wait wait wait

00:56:25.940 Evan Funke the same restaurant right yeah same restaurant oh you go you go chef you go around

00:56:29.500 the back or through the glass window okay so I saw him okay listen here's what I'm considering

00:56:35.260 doing so a friend of mine put this in my mind who she worships restaurants okay listen what if I 0.51

00:56:41.360 took you take a bottle of really exciting holy shit yeah never even heard of this okay so okay

00:56:50.260 so i think i could get a really nice bottle of cassis a nice bitter something special 0.94

00:56:56.140 yeah and you bring it you go it better be special it's special and you go

00:57:00.280 so imagine this ago i just love the food here so much i think it's such a great addition

00:57:06.220 to the los angeles culinary landscape and i brought this for the kitchen 0.93

00:57:11.880 i'm not fucking kidding you oh to their knees they fall did you happen to hear my silence 0.97

00:57:20.400 i'm in awe i'm in awe wait hold on 1.00

00:57:24.720 damn i'm actually sweating i'm sweating i am too 0.95

00:57:31.540 Because it's like, it's exactly as you said. 0.99

00:57:38.020 It's the realization.

00:57:38.900 Okay.

00:57:39.460 It's like, you know, an idea that has reached his time, you know, they say that you can't

00:57:45.180 stop an idea that like an idea when it's, it's not the phrase, but that, that sentiment,

00:57:49.800 like when an idea is, is finally of time, like it can't be stopped.

00:57:53.440 Right.

00:57:54.180 I'm sweating.

00:57:55.140 I'm sweating.

00:57:55.720 And like the tears are like sort of prickling at the back of my, my eyeball because I'm 0.99

00:58:00.500 like, fuck. 0.96

00:58:01.240 I I'm not I don't know if I can be able to resist not doing that like I think it's happening 0.99

00:58:05.200 I know it's on and I can't turn back yeah that's what you can do so it's so outrageous right this 0.94

00:58:11.940 idea of me how do you fucking pull it off how do you pull it off without being another douche 0.95

00:58:17.120 how do you pull it off without it being like because because if I were the chef and I approach 0.99

00:58:21.640 you with that I would think oh this is like her alcohol company or you know what I mean like like

00:58:26.460 this is like her she's trying she's like here i brought you this and it's like hashtag this in

00:58:31.640 your restaurant you know gorgeous bottle and then you see the corner of a of a neon green post-it

00:58:37.500 sticking out and you go there it is there's the ask exactly add this to the wine add this to the

00:58:42.540 wine program so i would have to go like i am merely a fan i don't think i think if there's no

00:58:50.820 if there's nothing attached yeah like truly nothing not even your name i don't think they

00:58:55.780 assume it's wine company okay it's just those people don't they don't they don't pre-sell they

00:59:00.400 don't just give it and then say nothing so i i i don't think that's the concern okay i think the

00:59:05.460 concern is what's what's she after okay i almost think the concern is now but here's the big

00:59:09.900 question this is this is exactly the question you know i do it all you know what i would do it all

00:59:14.300 for a free round can you imagine of course i do it all for being able to single to take my mother

00:59:20.080 there to be able to go you know what i want to take my mama out to a special dinner yeah and i 0.94

00:59:24.420 guess where i can actually get the fuck in don't get i just look glancing at discuss on pook to 0.55

00:59:29.720 see if there's anything i want to say really yeah by the way i'm now i'm like i actually feel like 0.96

00:59:34.240 i'm i want to be strong enough to take the bottle oh wait this is like okay my fear isn't your fear

00:59:41.040 your fear is they're gonna think you're a wine rep or whatever right or my fear my fear is just

00:59:45.340 like what's my fear i think they'll be like what does she want it's like you know what i want i

00:59:50.280 want an app i want a free app and i want and what's funny is that all you want is is a very

00:59:55.220 minimal kind of ask you want to feel special i just want to be able to get a reservation

00:59:59.940 that's really all i want but keep going you know what i want i want community oh wow you realized

01:00:09.040 it's the local by the way i because i put in the work right before covid you want to be a regular

01:00:14.100 you want to be a known regular yes i love being a known like that i have a tip for i have a tip

01:00:19.400 for restaurants if you see me searching for a gaze of recognition why not just throw me one back

01:00:26.200 yeah even if you don't remember well guess what i'll never forget this begging for it this is to 0.75

01:00:32.620 me this is how you run a restaurant and this place fucking closed during covid but a place near my

01:00:36.500 parents house because that was like a new restaurant opened up like walking distance of my of my 0.84

01:00:40.860 parents the dream the dream so anytime a business shutters i pray it's going to turn into a restaurant

01:00:44.960 looking is there a liquor license sign coming in the window all right no no and this was

01:00:49.260 this was a this was wonderful because it was a food was completely solid they had a gorgeous

01:00:54.660 full bar they had a devastatingly reasonable happy hour you could get like a you could get

01:00:59.020 like a beautiful negroni for seven dollars you know what i mean like i'm talking about

01:01:03.580 a real fun happy hour solid food really solid

01:01:07.240 using solid food and i'm like that alone just solid evoked pleasure so so when they first

01:01:16.120 opened. My parents went maybe twice in like a week or 10 days. And the manager comes over and

01:01:21.420 goes, Hey folks, I recognize you. And my parents go, well, you know, we actually live two blocks

01:01:27.960 away and we're always excited about. He gives them a gift card on the spot. He throws down

01:01:37.920 And guys, this wasn't 20 bucks.

01:01:41.080 I think it was an a hundred dollar gift card.

01:01:43.620 He goes, so happy to have, to be in the neighborhood.

01:01:48.180 So glad you've come back.

01:01:49.620 And my parents, of course, were like, we love the food.

01:01:52.160 Please keep coming back. 0.99

01:01:53.340 Here's a hundred fucking dollars. 0.99

01:01:55.600 So you know what they just did? 0.99

01:01:57.100 I'm just going to cry.

01:01:58.860 I'm going to cry.

01:02:00.400 They just CFL, baby.

01:02:02.020 C-F-L.

01:02:04.140 By the way, I'm crying too.

01:02:05.500 And it's just a joke.

01:02:06.300 Customer for a while.

01:02:07.920 okay cfl i'm gonna start saying that okay and then i'm gonna i'm gonna go i'm gonna go this

01:02:13.540 one this is how they're gonna remember me i'm gonna do that that thing where i'm gonna create

01:02:16.760 panic or you know confusion to lodge in the in the okay to stir the amygdala okay so i'm gonna go

01:02:23.680 i'm gonna go cfl i have one thing to say oh no this is genius are you ready i'm gonna go up to

01:02:27.680 the manager on the way out okay yeah or whoever okay and i'm gonna i just want to say cfl again 0.96

01:02:33.880 i'm gonna say it's stern and sort of neutral so they don't know if this is something fucked up 0.81

01:02:38.860 yeah okay i have one thing to say after dining here cfl okay and they're gonna go they're gonna 0.83

01:02:43.300 panic they're gonna think is that some kind of food service yeah uh yeah you know like i'm gonna

01:02:47.280 call the the you know the authorities on like i'm sending cfl in here tomorrow yeah tuesday okay

01:02:53.860 yeah okay and then so i create the panic the fear yeah and then and then i start to walk away

01:02:59.860 i turn around and i say customer for life oh my god okay so then they're lifted to the heavens

01:03:09.100 they'll never okay i bring them down and bring them up lifted to euphoria and then you're

01:03:14.240 indelibly lodged yeah yeah no you're you're right to create the panic and then you sue it

01:03:19.600 by the way another okay i have another thing to say about this place that 0.99

01:03:24.640 Fucking shuttered post-COVID or shuttered and COVID devastating. 0.99

01:03:28.620 Shuttered is the best word. 0.99

01:03:30.940 And I only reserve the term shuttered for businesses that I really feel

01:03:34.700 something for.

01:03:35.320 Okay.

01:03:35.740 They shuttered devastating.

01:03:38.100 You know what they also did for the, 0.99

01:03:39.300 and this is fucking customer relations folks by the front door, 0.98

01:03:42.860 they had a bell jar, 0.99

01:03:43.960 whatever you call it.

01:03:44.480 It's not a bell jar.

01:03:45.000 It's a cookie.

01:03:45.480 It's like a,

01:03:45.860 the cake goes in a jar of beautiful chocolate chip cookies with Maldon salt

01:03:50.440 on top.

01:03:50.900 And they go on your way out.

01:03:51.940 If you want a cookie,

01:03:52.320 grab one,

01:03:52.740 which by the way is a little weird there's something about that well wait hold on was 0.99

01:03:58.560 there tongs not to be a bitch but where no it was your hand it was hands while as i said it i go 0.52

01:04:03.760 that's actually somehow how is that it's like one of the great joys of childhood well it just 0.97

01:04:11.480 because of the dirtiness one of the great joys of childhood was there was this mexican restaurant 0.99

01:04:14.760 that we would go to on friday nights okay as a family and by the way there we stopped going 0.96

01:04:19.780 your family did a good job thank you just even that every Friday night Mexican I could start 1.00

01:04:24.420 crying I mean I I know I crave routine so hard as a kid okay keep going so however we stopped 1.00

01:04:33.680 when my dad recognized that particularly the older kids because I was just a child okay

01:04:38.900 okay but the two teens weren't appreciating it anymore okay when they were like dropping their 0.98

01:04:45.020 head down on the table and going to sleep during the meal and shit yeah he took it away you know 0.93

01:04:49.760 what I mean it was like it's over it's done okay yeah and you know that famously I was the one like 0.98

01:04:56.020 two and a half year old who could dine in the fine establishments because I was so well behaved I

01:05:02.700 love you because I was so excited about the good food that I could be I could be brought in there

01:05:06.760 was one place that like yeah I was the only baby that was allowed in because my respect for the

01:05:12.500 chef was undeniable i mean but wait wait wait take me back wait because i know i had a point

01:05:19.720 cookie end of the thing that they did that oh yeah so every friday night wait but every friday night

01:05:25.420 and then on the way out of the mexican restaurant um you know those they're wrapped up which is not

01:05:31.340 but just a mixture of of like of mints at the door let's let's talk about it remember mints at

01:05:36.860 the door the dream of the 90s the candy at pre 9 11 pre 9 11 pre 9 11 you know grab a grab a mint

01:05:44.960 grab a door absolutely candy it just it was a different time stuffing your pockets full

01:05:50.420 uh matches toothpicks yeah i mean i still get excited for it for a nice match box

01:05:57.540 oh yeah i have a collection for christ's sake let's say you're at a restaurant you know you're

01:06:03.720 like you're have you know i want the chicken pot pie right and they come over and they go

01:06:06.920 we're at a chicken pot pie and you're devastated right but then you go well you know i'm actually

01:06:10.460 excited to get the salmon you know and then like so and being like being like i'm actually looking

01:06:15.160 forward to it no no this is actually exactly what should have happened and it's the mushrooms the

01:06:19.960 whole time yeah yes and this is it's never been revealed on poog and i'm going to try to say it

01:06:25.080 once in one sentence instead of the 70 sentences that got cut from a previous episode right i'm

01:06:31.460 I want to say the mushroom thing. I'm going to try. I'm going to try.

01:06:33.880 That was cut? Yes. Are you sure?

01:06:36.300 Positive. Here I am saying it was the mushrooms

01:06:38.040 the whole time, assuming the listener knows

01:06:39.580 the deep listener will know what I'm referring to.

01:06:41.960 No, right, right. No, no, it was cut. Because I

01:06:43.760 internalized that it was cut as,

01:06:45.740 oh, that was cut. Interesting. I thought that was so

01:06:47.340 important. But yes, I did take

01:06:49.560 nine minutes to say it. This is very, and I will

01:06:51.720 say, just to preface, this feels

01:06:53.480 very, because this is such a, this is

01:06:55.540 to me is evidence of you really knowing my

01:06:57.580 deep psychology. Yes. Like of how I feel

01:06:59.620 so seen by you and one of the great things about you is that you enjoy being seen even called out

01:07:05.640 so to speak yeah i'm not called that call that's too like culturally loaded yeah but like if

01:07:10.880 someone is observing you or knows you well enough to actually be able to maybe gently criticize is

01:07:17.040 almost too strong a word but is able to kind of point out your own pathology to yourself yes

01:07:22.000 divine divine and and you light up so it's really fun i love it but the mushrooms the whole time

01:07:27.660 thing which you know could be a t-shirt um is simply i observed kate's psychology including

01:07:33.860 my own sitting at a restaurant deciding what to order and we were deciding whether to get some

01:07:38.040 kind of mushroom a mushroom mousse as an appetizer or there was a side of roasted melange of different

01:07:44.560 mushrooms we were deciding going back and forth and kate was having a lot of anxiety i mean just

01:07:48.820 and the thing is we're in it together because menu anxiety making the right choice all of that

01:07:55.240 is huge for me as well so we're really going into it like life depends on it yeah and i i got to a

01:08:01.620 point where i was able to say that i really think it's the roasted mushrooms and we can get them as

01:08:06.820 an appetizer even though they're a side yeah genius by the way yeah recommend to all listeners

01:08:11.240 okay a side can be an appetizer it's huge okay so like so like roasted mushrooms sound great so yeah

01:08:18.860 so so so it's always like i was like kate it's the mushrooms okay oh no it was like this is more

01:08:23.480 what it is i'm because i'm not doing that thing yet i go i think we should get the mushrooms i

01:08:28.840 think the roasted mushrooms are gonna be infinitely more satisfying whatever and kate this is the key

01:08:33.440 of her psychology goes you're right it was the mushrooms the whole time okay and and and

01:08:38.820 it was a mushroom the whole time like like like and what it revealed was kate's desire

01:08:46.160 for something to have to be absolutely certain and so certain that it was inevitable right it

01:08:52.520 was the mushrooms the whole time fate led us to it being the mushrooms and that puts her at ease

01:08:58.160 it's huge it's so big to your psychology it's just so sensual and it's not far from mine right

01:09:06.780 it's like part of my psychology so i can recognize it in you desire for certainty and as you said

01:09:12.240 fate this desire yeah inevitability yeah this absolute truth that my own behavior my own

01:09:17.460 nothing could interrupt it nothing could get me away from that it was always going to be the

01:09:21.340 mushrooms and i can surrender forever but and that certainty is like so much of something i

01:09:27.080 chase and something i'm having to let go of right as i strive to be an adult but wow but it's also

01:09:33.200 it's also i think there's something very joyous and it's almost a hyperbole as you know maybe

01:09:38.320 this is one of the lovely facets of the hyperbole that you and i so enjoy and that trump almost took

01:09:45.180 from us i don't want to talk about trump but but anyway it was like we start now we start talking

01:09:50.420 about trump right do the entire um yeah what if poog what if poog was like what if poog was like

01:09:59.220 cheeto man i was gonna say cheeto man over here 0.66

01:10:01.920 he wants to sleep with his daughter oh my god who doesn't what if poog became like just 0.57

01:10:10.660 hell what if poog was us being like 2020 was a dumpster fire i know i know so wait where were 0.51

01:10:18.760 because it was deeply exciting oh the mushrooms right you're the certainty and then i'm trying

01:10:22.480 to think where else and so oh hyperbole so it's like it's like one of the joys of hyper that is

01:10:27.700 a version of hyperbole to me that's joyful is to just choose to believe that it was the mushrooms

01:10:32.140 the whole time like isn't it more fun and we love doing that right like i feel like even like when

01:10:36.340 we would go to um like you imbued uh russian samovar or whatever samovar in new york city on

01:10:42.400 like 57th and 8th or something yeah and like and you imbued that with a kind of meaning okay and

01:10:47.980 You get into this thing where it's got to be Samovar.

01:10:49.640 It's got to be Samovar.

01:10:50.420 We got to go to Samovar.

01:10:51.500 Okay.

01:10:51.840 Yeah.

01:10:52.120 And then it sort of takes on this meaning that's another level.

01:10:54.320 And it's like, it's like, it's fated to be that restaurant.

01:10:56.400 It's fated.

01:10:57.060 Yes.

01:10:57.540 I just, should we talk about restaurants a little bit for fun?

01:10:59.900 It's.

01:11:00.300 No, because I'll start weeping because it's the only purpose of life is to be in restaurants.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - September 26, 2023

REMIX： The Hags Talk Restaurants

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