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00:02:52.420 this week you will be experiencing a curation a collage what many would call a remix around the

00:03:00.400 theme of travel please enjoy I walked into the living room and I found myself shuffling around

00:03:07.620 and I imagined in my head I said imagine being at the airport oh no no here's what it was I was

00:03:13.580 imagining when you're at a hotel and you have to wake up really early to leave you know and

00:03:18.320 because you have a catch an early flight and maybe you're like shuffling past the breakfast

00:03:22.440 station or something or when you see the other people shuffling around no no getting their corn

00:03:27.940 place and there's this huge there's this community there and there's this like this horror of being

00:03:34.060 awake early and you're tired but then it's one of the coziest feelings i know what is that okay

00:03:39.740 let me let me drop it let me feel it okay let me drop into that um and this morning i was pretending

00:03:45.700 i was doing that i was walking around my living room imagining i was like you're at the breakfast

00:03:49.280 buffet you know it's 6 45 a.m okay i just want to like take a second with that because there's

00:03:54.300 something about like being like a quality in or something right okay or any anything like that

00:03:59.140 it's a very like it's like the you know mid-tier or maybe first year i don't want to say low tier

00:04:05.460 it's as if i want well we don't have any low tier hotels in our in our roundup we have ones that

00:04:11.840 sort of different we have a double tree hun yeah okay but like going down okay and like the feeling

00:04:17.340 of oh the first of all i can just hear that elevator yes the ding of the elevator the

00:04:23.060 sort of reflective floor of the lobby that sometimes gives way to carpet in the breakfast

00:04:30.640 room okay there's a feeling of the echoey hall and then you step in sometimes there's a carpet

00:04:36.860 dismounting the hall into the carpet yeah and then like the shuffling around and i feel like

00:04:42.520 it's always like a father in my mind there's like a couple characters that are always there

00:04:49.400 okay and they're not but but in my mind they are there's like yeah there's a very specific

00:04:54.900 older like silver-haired white man blue eyes in my mind okay it's like that i see as like this

00:05:03.060 sort of stoic and maybe i like project onto him that he's like maybe ex-military okay and a lot

00:05:08.720 of times he's with like his wife just me tossing out ex-military is like

00:05:17.200 whatever that could possibly mean yeah he's ex-military um reserves okay okay he was in

00:05:27.300 the reserves for years so always home for dinner oh my god well because i because there's that

00:05:36.580 your perspective of reserves is shocking but wait go on go on go on the reserves it's like such an

00:05:42.400 abstract concept to me of course i think it is because that's what i'm like okay

00:05:47.100 i want to say something about a type at the buffet we're not done with the buffet i have

00:05:52.940 like a lot to say there's a certain father because i feel like the morning because when i said father

00:05:58.660 you pictured one but a different one immediately i pictured a different father so i picture a

00:06:02.980 father who maybe reads 45 but is actually 36 excuse me exactly because i was gonna say that

00:06:08.960 this guy is i was like he's 70 and i'm like actually shit he's probably like 50 yeah and 0.64

00:06:13.840 this guy has a blue shirt tucked in and there's always a teenage daughter there's always a teenage 0.70

00:06:17.960 daughter who's like 14 and like kind of like half pjs like oh my god kind of like excited because

00:06:25.340 she's on a trip or something and like i mean in my mind it's like she's like sitting there with

00:06:29.340 like nothing but like she's got like maybe a yogurt or whatever i feel like okay okay this

00:06:34.360 is one of the few areas dancing dancing dannon dannon wow that's really that's really a sign

00:06:41.020 about things have changed well yeah also as a hollywood girl ted dancing flies to the mouth

00:06:46.020 quicker than um than a yogurt name danon danon what about coffee flavor coffee flavor danon i'm

00:06:53.180 sorry but it's incredible is that where there's like coffee jelly at the bottom no no no no just

00:06:57.600 that tan color the tan color okay taste it's a very specific tang i actually appreciate my mom

00:07:04.740 kept a lot of like toxic food in the house like and you appreciate that calling danon toxic no no

00:07:10.820 because also also no right just like by virtue of it being like sort of like a supermarket brand

00:07:15.140 like you're sure it's pure heavily pasteurized like cane sugar infused

00:07:19.880 yogurt product you were gonna say you're glad there were toxic things in the house i have a

00:07:25.640 guess why not a culture in sight not a culture in sight not a living microbe not a bacillus

00:07:31.060 in sight um yeah bacillus this yogurt causes yeast infections yeah so my belief of why

00:07:38.220 moving back to types my belief of why you're happy that there are toxic things in the home

00:07:42.420 to me okay is that it allows you to connect okay it's about community once again you're happy you

00:07:48.540 have quote these references you're happy you have dannon okay like because you can connect with me

00:07:56.740 i was raised at a dannon home yeah exactly or the macaroons and the can that one time i used to drink

00:08:02.380 coca-cola like that you know my i drank coke you say even coca-cola okay even like it's hysterical

00:08:09.300 because it's almost like betraying

00:08:10.880 like a distance from it.

00:08:12.620 Oh my, I know Coca-Cola.

00:08:14.760 I used to drink a Coca-Cola soda.

00:08:16.520 You know, I had Coca-Cola as a kid.

00:08:19.360 Who the hell do I think I am?

00:08:20.700 Oh my God. 0.51

00:08:21.380 Wait, one time I went to a McDonald's

00:08:23.000 with a family, my friend and her family

00:08:26.660 and they'd like barely had McDonald's in their life.

00:08:29.060 They were like New Yorkers who like,

00:08:31.300 you know, never whatever.

00:08:32.740 And he didn't know the name Big Mac.

00:08:35.480 Okay.

00:08:35.780 Like you never heard it.

00:08:37.460 And he was like, I'll have one Mac.

00:08:39.300 he was like i'm not a fan of that mac or whatever it was absurd okay back so i want to go back to

00:08:46.820 that room okay because yeah the morning so there's a few things it's like so everyone's puffy the

00:08:51.080 father has also i'm having a somatic experience right now because i've you know i've only had

00:08:55.460 coffee i had a banana which is a very early morning travel meal and so i'm actually physically

00:09:01.840 i'm so physically in the place of the comfort in breakfast room that just continue i just had to

00:09:07.340 break in and say i'm sailing i am as well because i'm wearing a turtleneck and a sweater

00:09:10.900 which to me is sort of a fantasy of sort of an east coast chilly day or something but it's like

00:09:16.360 quiet in there okay but then sometimes like the news is on and the ex-military yeah okay like

00:09:22.460 silver haired guy is sort of like taking in the news and i'm like okay right and then so sort of

00:09:29.760 the news and then oh there's also just like the deep and profound comfort the fact that like when

00:09:35.700 you come down like ding ding okay and you're tired i mean this is the one beauty of hotels is like

00:09:40.280 they've been up for hours okay like preparing the buffet it's like so incredible like because

00:09:46.660 you kind of are like just like snooze in and they're like refilling the eggs 7 30 for you

00:09:51.860 i know and the eggs have a whole new tectonic level the gratitude for the breakfast crew

00:09:57.300 i know is huge but here's the other thing okay here's a big feeling is it huge though i feel

00:10:02.440 i'm like where's the tip jar you know no no you're absolutely right i'm speaking merely about it's

00:10:06.940 huge today i'm pook and we are doing nothing other than offering a smile my huge gratitude yeah

00:10:14.780 i mean i mean um i smile knowingly and and thankfully um you know but but but here's the

00:10:23.160 big thing about the breakfast okay in the morning classically do you have this when the excitement

00:10:28.780 when it's hot food okay like the excitement when you see a metal tray under a lamp okay

00:10:33.920 yeah like the jump from continental breakfast which is you know one of the biggest devastations

00:10:39.520 in american society modern history is like continental breakfast i mean it takes years

00:10:44.700 before you understand okay for you to go surely continental breakfast can't just mean some fruit

00:10:50.020 a coffee and a single roll or whatever but here's the thing i actually like i've ordered the

00:10:55.240 continental breakfast so to speak and i ordered it but well kind of almost like like i feel like

00:11:00.180 there were like five years where i was like surely they just got it wrong at this place like the

00:11:03.520 continental breakfast being the standard has to at least have some basics again then it doesn't

00:11:08.180 because it's what it's defined by like the bowl that it's truly the dannon the bowl filled with

00:11:14.720 ice with dannon stuck in a metal bowl filled with ice is huge yeah and then dannon i say you're

00:11:21.880 lucky you get a dan and i feel like it's like cinnamon rolls that were made in a factory six

00:11:25.900 years ago you're lucky to get a cinnamon roll i always feel like the pastry you want to see the

00:11:30.380 pastries you don't want them because they're right you want you you want to see them i mean

00:11:35.860 in those contexts it's very hard for me not but i feel like okay we haven't even spoken about one

00:11:39.620 of the biggest things okay to me it's a combination and it's it's a combination and it has a little

00:11:44.360 bit of like the dorm quality of like grabbing things like as if for the road but then they're

00:11:48.780 just resting on the industrial

00:11:50.760 table.

00:11:52.720 Grab a banana.

00:11:55.120 Okay, like grab it. It's like a hard

00:11:56.700 boiled egg. That's what I was

00:11:58.780 just heading towards.

00:12:00.580 The hard boiled egg.

00:12:03.160 Okay. And could there be anything?

00:12:05.400 The working breakfast.

00:12:06.580 Could there be anything more

00:12:08.840 utilitarian than a hard

00:12:10.780 boiled egg because it can be prepared

00:12:12.460 in bulk, right?

00:12:14.860 Other eggs are luxury

00:12:16.400 because they have to be prepared individually for you.

00:12:18.460 i just want to say very quickly one time i was backstage at a fashion show yes you can imagine

00:12:23.180 backstage at a fashion show and i'm not kidding there was a table and all there was was there

00:12:28.580 was a huge i'll never forget as long as i live there was a huge bowl filled with hard-boiled

00:12:32.520 eggs shelled hard-boiled eggs and that was the model food and that was it ew just a bowl of

00:12:37.420 hard-boiled eggs and like evian pods of water right and i was no i'm taking it in my silence

00:12:44.720 Shelled eggs

00:12:46.740 They were shelled

00:12:48.060 They were already shelled 1.00

00:12:49.900 So a model could pop it in her mouth 1.00

00:12:52.220 Okay wait let me just take this in

00:12:54.460 Because there was a weird thing

00:12:55.580 I wonder if they grabbed them with their fingers

00:12:56.960 Because it would be a little slippery

00:12:57.840 And then are they touching the other eggs

00:12:59.520 The eggs are rolling around in hell

00:13:01.440 It's definitely a

00:13:02.620 Ew I just had the worst thought

00:13:04.780 Someone heads over from the makeup area

00:13:07.160 A little shimmer on an egg

00:13:10.780 the guilt i felt when on vacation with my family as an adult i was disappointed by

00:13:20.400 my sister and mother when i wanted to swim with the dolphins or whatever had booked

00:13:25.280 just the water visit the water visit this is one of my this is and this is one of my favorite

00:13:30.320 things in your book but i think about and i just related to so deeply it makes my dad no i deserve

00:13:35.940 the water visit because my dad are you ready so I hear that they've booked that like I'd left it

00:13:42.200 up to them and I shouldn't have you know what I mean they're like yeah like like we could do it

00:13:46.200 at this time or this time and but at this time you know it was only the water visit was available

00:13:50.420 so that's what we booked and I was like the water visit is like where you stand next to a dolphin

00:13:54.460 okay like three feet into the water like get a pic and like I see families soaring arcing up and

00:14:01.500 down our king with dolphins and i'm so disappointed hold on to the dolphin's back i would think you

00:14:06.660 wrap it gently around the neck but i'm you know something like that and and they don't mind you

00:14:12.040 know they love it they love it and they booked you and so she booked i was so disappointed and

00:14:17.300 then i remember we're in the hotel my mom's like jackie's upset because we're not doing the right

00:14:22.800 dolphin swimming or whatever and the idea of like like jackie's bummed like saying that to my dad

00:14:28.780 who's sitting there

00:14:29.360 and he's like

00:14:29.900 on his computer

00:14:30.540 like still working

00:14:31.480 during the vacation

00:14:32.700 like certain hours

00:14:34.080 you know like

00:14:34.700 still like doing work

00:14:35.780 and like providing

00:14:36.660 like he's got us

00:14:38.320 on his vacation

00:14:39.180 and Jackie's bummed

00:14:40.620 I'll be very clear

00:14:41.860 I was 20, 26

00:14:42.800 yeah

00:14:43.200 okay

00:14:43.480 and like Jackie's bummed 1.00

00:14:45.440 like a pig 1.00

00:14:46.120 like a pig brat 0.99

00:14:47.100 yeah yeah 0.99

00:14:47.360 that's tough

00:14:47.920 yeah

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00:16:57.320 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:17:01.620 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:17:06.600 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:17:10.440 It was hard to wrap your head around. It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:17:15.420 No, I am not your guru.

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00:17:57.520 The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

00:18:01.480 So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

00:18:05.500 I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to.

00:18:07.800 I would just want you to listen to me more often

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00:18:33.540 Have we talked about this?

00:18:34.800 Have we talked about the airport as a space of spiritual liminality?

00:18:37.380 Only because Jacqueline.

00:18:38.640 That's no joke for me and it always has been.

00:18:40.840 Okay, okay, okay.

00:18:41.580 Stop, stop, stop.

00:18:42.200 basically the moment i learned the word liminal i was okay the airport leave me in the airport

00:18:47.660 the airport is the only modern space it's the only modern church it's the only place we're

00:18:53.440 actually able to cast off our personalities and our daily limitations and finally exist

00:18:58.440 it's also the most perverse and outwardly sexual area of modern life it's the only place that we

00:19:04.860 can finally just oh okay i'm being flooded i know i'm like there's such an excitement to talk about

00:19:11.220 liminality in the airport okay i can't believe we've never talked about the airport like this

00:19:15.000 this is huge seeing someone that you know and love at the airport meeting them at the airport

00:19:19.180 that is such a beautiful moment of union and the the airport it's the only place where we're fully

00:19:25.640 like domed it's like the airport is like get in line bitch you know what i mean it's like we're 0.90

00:19:29.960 all kind of reduced to these like bodies that have to move yeah and there's something there's 0.99

00:19:34.220 like an anger or hostility that comes with like i have to follow the rules and get in line but 1.00

00:19:38.040 It's such an ecstatic release because you just you're finally free from choice and you're just forced into the liberation of restriction of get in line and take your shoes off, you filthy bitch. 1.00

00:19:50.020 You know, there's something about it. 1.00

00:19:52.080 And yeah, your personality kind of ceases to exist or tries to fight through in moments of, oh, God, 6 a.m., right?

00:19:57.940 Can you believe it?

00:19:58.580 Right.

00:19:58.720 It's like kind of that.

00:20:00.020 All right.

00:20:00.240 To the others.

00:20:00.880 Yeah.

00:20:01.400 Remind me to tell you about the captain in line.

00:20:03.040 What?

00:20:03.480 I said, remind me to tell you about the captain in line.

00:20:05.720 Well, go for it.

00:20:06.400 So I'm big on, and sometimes I don't like it in myself.

00:20:10.000 Sometimes I do like it.

00:20:11.000 It's a shared glance with our fellow crowdmate.

00:20:13.840 I can't stand it, but I love it.

00:20:15.540 I love to look to find shared glances about something that's happening around us, right?

00:20:20.820 Anyway, I was really proud.

00:20:22.380 I was waiting in line at a small airport.

00:20:24.380 It was a long line for the one little kiosk of bagels and coffee and whatever.

00:20:29.420 And I see a pilot, you know, captain's hat and all, dressed to the nines.

00:20:34.140 okay and in his in his formal brief so kinky it's insane like pilots actually dress up like that

00:20:41.720 like a little cat with like with metallic figures on it and things like that whatever

00:20:46.040 and um and the dignity right anyway so so i'm in line and thing and we're all standing there

00:20:51.360 and the captain or the why do i keep saying captain is that right is that correct can you

00:20:54.940 be a captain of a ship pilot as captain pilot no but the pilot the main one is he captain this is

00:21:00.140 your captain speaking oh this is the captain speaking yeah that you know that you're reminding

00:21:05.440 me of when i had a clearly drunk captain yammering on the overhead but keep going keep going because

00:21:10.520 by the way of course what is it like birds of a feather it's like the a for pilots and

00:21:15.460 yeah there's a whole there's a birds of a feather you're yeah it's something about like of course

00:21:21.620 like of course pilots need fucking 12-step for alcoholism why i mean inherently why just because

00:21:26.840 I mean, you're saying it like, of course, like, I just mean, like, what else are they going to do? 0.97

00:21:31.020 Addicts or, of course, alcoholics end up being pilots.

00:21:34.200 You mean specifically or you mean one in ten is an addict?

00:21:37.580 No, right.

00:21:38.200 So, of course, there's those, them, too.

00:21:39.900 Right.

00:21:40.140 I thought you were suggesting that piloting itself leads to...

00:21:43.480 A lot of layovers, honey. 0.99

00:21:44.460 A lot of Bloody Marys in between flights.

00:21:46.140 A lot of BJs in the terminal.

00:21:48.120 Okay.

00:21:48.620 Right.

00:21:49.040 The sexuality of... 0.93

00:21:52.060 Flying a plane? 0.99

00:21:53.100 Well, yes.

00:21:53.740 But also the...

00:21:55.020 the pulsating masses quivering stewards and you know i'm saying stewards you know what i'm trying

00:22:01.040 to say the um what do they call them now flight attendants flight attendants right right a steward

00:22:06.140 but all the costuming all the costuming i mean it's asking for it and you know i remember the

00:22:12.880 child being disturbed to realize that that the government like that planes weren't a government

00:22:19.320 operation okay they're like a private business yeah because i was like wait you mean like we're

00:22:23.500 just but we're just trusting like a business that saying that they can carry you through the air

00:22:28.820 like i just assumed like something that big you know sending you flying into the air right with

00:22:34.560 nothing but aerodynamics at play okay but i want to say about the captain thing but then remind me

00:22:39.820 about the wheels okay so the non-story from earlier that i'll just finish so it's not nagging

00:22:45.420 at me is merely we're in line the the captain dressed to the nines okay steps up and gets in

00:22:51.960 line behind us on this carpeted little weird area of the small airport and we're all waiting

00:22:56.540 waiting waiting and i look around and kind of try to capture the gaze of the others in line

00:23:00.880 and i say captain surely surely we can let the captain go ahead of us right right i was gonna

00:23:06.520 say that's a story isn't it fantastic and then he did he um tried to humbly decline the offer

00:23:11.980 i think he humbly declined and i looked around at the others like really no one's gonna back me up

00:23:17.820 and push us further.

00:23:19.400 You know what I mean?

00:23:20.020 Like, seriously,

00:23:21.140 you want him staring

00:23:22.320 at the back of your head

00:23:23.040 while you get a bagel?

00:23:24.000 At the A Bon Pain kiosk?

00:23:26.080 A Bon Pain?

00:23:26.980 I call it A Bon Pain.

00:23:28.480 I'm not a fan.

00:23:31.820 I hate what I'm about to say.

00:23:33.080 Are you ready?

00:23:33.480 I hate it so much.

00:23:34.600 You know, the revelations are great,

00:23:35.720 but they're not action.

00:23:37.020 Okay.

00:23:37.620 I know.

00:23:38.760 And.

00:23:39.560 No, no more.

00:23:40.140 What was my,

00:23:40.680 this is a while ago.

00:23:41.380 I was like, no more epiphanies.

00:23:42.760 Yeah.

00:23:43.080 No more epiphanies.

00:23:44.120 Yeah, because you and me,

00:23:45.520 we get ecstasy.

00:23:46.660 Cling to the epiphany.

00:23:47.820 Yeah. We get ecstasy and epiphany. And I mean, and that's why I think you and me on the CBOBS

00:23:53.640 so revelatory. Meanwhile, we were trying to have epiphanies during, I mean, not trying,

00:23:58.740 we were, we were screaming when action takes over. Okay. That's one thing, the CBOB,

00:24:04.400 those moments when you're trying to, when a moment is so perversely spectacular that you're like

00:24:11.040 trying to instantly, it's like the epiphany has to, that was a moment in my life that I'll remember

00:24:15.840 forever and it was this moment of like i've never been more free i'm in the ocean with you i feel

00:24:21.920 it was like it was a dream state it was utterly surreal it was like full integration it was

00:24:28.000 psychotic and even as i'm barreling on the water i'm going and what does this i'm still trying to

00:24:32.900 locate meaning and i know because it's too profound the imagery is too profound always

00:24:37.940 i'm always you know reaching for the pen inside of my um water vest or whatever you know inside

00:24:43.700 of my flotation device it's it's and we were at each other screaming be like this is that right

00:24:48.000 like we were like yeah but we weren't completely to our credit we were in the we were present we

00:24:53.280 were present we stayed present i have to say i know we were absolutely present like we kept

00:24:57.800 diving back under the water we couldn't we couldn't actually could cry how much i want to go back

00:25:02.100 well i just and then we become locked in you see like even us we're fools okay because we become

00:25:06.960 locked in on cbobs like literally the device itself i know okay the motorized unit i became

00:25:12.460 convinced was the only pathway the revelation is what we need and this is how people yeah and

00:25:17.480 this is how people chase you know chase things and that's that's fine we're we're found and

00:25:21.520 it is what it is but the being in the water with you diving under and over

00:25:27.140 okay soaring bouncing along the simplicity of speeding the thing up i mean i even in my own

00:25:34.300 you know way i mean i believe i mentioned this but my past life memories during that i don't

00:25:38.500 necessarily believe are real but when i zipped under the water the ship yeah i heard myself and

00:25:44.220 sort of captain's voice say um we didn't have a thingamabobs like this in my day yeah yeah like

00:25:50.360 this would have been useful like fishing johnny out of the out of the depths you know the barracuda

00:25:55.940 was in my dream the other night i just remember you serious i only sent you another picture of

00:25:59.620 a barracuda for those who didn't listen to the episode we came across a barracuda and then later

00:26:04.600 learned that we had been eerily close to having our faces lashed off by by a barracuda lashings

00:26:12.280 last sustained lacerations from a barracuda sustained

00:26:16.400 i just think like there's something about being lashed by something soft

00:26:24.700 and that being violent like so not a tooth right not a not a barracuda's jaw right but like the

00:26:31.220 The violence of being lashed by the tail of a fish, for example.

00:26:34.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:34.880 It's funny to me.

00:26:35.540 The face sliced open by the tail of a fish.

00:26:38.420 Yeah, just softness.

00:26:42.020 I've never had ocean.

00:26:43.400 Plus speed equaling violence.

00:26:45.700 I've never had such an experience of the ocean as that.

00:26:48.180 And I have, wait.

00:26:49.340 Like if you were cut by the hem of a woman's skirt, you know, as you shuffled by.

00:26:53.960 Wait, Jacqueline, I'm sure you talked about it on the podcast, but I just cannot remember.

00:26:56.960 Did you talk about the shells?

00:26:59.120 I'm not sure.

00:26:59.600 because that's and by the way i just came across it again it's huge my shell is on my desk

00:27:03.400 prominent display as like an ultra object to my subconscious and we were if we did i don't care

00:27:09.300 okay we're gonna tell it again we'll tell it quicker this time we'll tell quicker but this is

00:27:12.560 yeah if you've heard it just fast we're snorkeling together in the crystal clear waters crystal clear

00:27:18.360 the sand is very clear i spot what looks like just the most classic sort of campbell soup if

00:27:24.380 if they had a sea-based variety noodle.

00:27:27.440 Okay, classic shell, you expect.

00:27:30.080 The kind of conch type, I guess.

00:27:33.000 And down I go and I grab it.

00:27:35.860 Describe the size though.

00:27:37.240 And even resting inside of it, the size,

00:27:40.260 it's actually quite small.

00:27:41.380 It's only probably two inches.

00:27:42.620 Yeah, just for the crowd.

00:27:44.380 There's a tiny shell log through there,

00:27:45.700 but I spot it, I grab it and I show Kate.

00:27:48.700 Okay, we surface every couple of moments.

00:27:51.280 We're at the surface bobbing, yeah.

00:27:52.860 You know, bobbing and I go, look,

00:27:54.220 Okay. And I see Kate, Kate recognize its beauty sort of in a just pure manner first. And then I see, you know, I guess, I don't know, greed, ego, lust, covetous energy. I see the human come, you know, fly up within her, animate within her and down she goes. Okay. And I go, what's going on?

00:28:14.680 Okay. And I know what's going on, but I dive under to watch the show and Kate is shopping.

00:28:21.700 Kate is scouring the sand. Unharmonious lust. Just digging through the white sand. Where's

00:28:28.740 my shell? Where's my shell? I must find it. And find one as good. And yes, of course. And I'm

00:28:33.820 not kidding. I pushed a fish out of the way. There was this moment where I was like looking

00:28:38.060 and there was like, I, maybe I almost did. I don't think my hand actually made contact

00:28:41.940 with a fish but I practically like like shoot away because I wanted I need a token I became

00:28:50.520 so overwhelmed because I attached so much meaning to this trip to snorkeling to me 0.93

00:28:53.940 snorkeling and I was like if I don't get one of these goddamn shells to take home and remind me 0.91

00:28:58.060 of this experience then the experience will dissolve instantly right I found a shell folks 0.96

00:29:03.300 just gonna tell you found the shell and it does sit on my desk as a you know token to my lust I

00:29:08.120 Mine's sitting there and I almost sent a picture of it.

00:29:10.800 But there was this sort of moment of, I mean, I love moments where you and a friend.

00:29:16.140 There was something else about it, too.

00:29:17.520 There was something else.

00:29:18.500 You know what I mean?

00:29:18.920 There's something more about me shopping.

00:29:20.920 There's something else that happened.

00:29:22.160 Well, was there a moment where you tried to shake it, rattle it from my fist and into your own?

00:29:28.360 I do have a snatching problem.

00:29:30.520 It's an only child thing.

00:29:33.740 Right.

00:29:34.200 Like, did I feel your hand?

00:29:35.620 Was there a moment where.

00:29:36.700 It's not my excuse, but.

00:29:38.120 did I grab it there was something else that happened that was outrageous I mean I just I

00:29:43.260 saw your rabid you saw like lust and I thought and then I think the night came in again where

00:29:49.740 I started to try to find you one myself so sweet yeah okay the night was gonna deliver oh my god

00:29:55.120 Jack I'm actually remembering how sweet you were about it because you're like you'll find one you'll

00:29:57.760 find one and I was like yeah oh my god I'm sure you were soothing me this way the last few trips 0.96

00:30:03.440 I've checked bags which as we all know I tend to not do but lately I've been like fuck it I'm

00:30:08.000 checking and I'm soaring on this and soaring at the gate and I go oh I don't have to lug this 0.94

00:30:14.320 and then I'm like oh I'm taking I'm taking my full dry you know my full aerosol cans of hair

00:30:19.700 shit like it's such a thrill to be able to pack yeah so anyway throw it in the bag yeah and and 0.93

00:30:24.560 I used to in my it's the way we we mythologize pain and struggle in this way where I've always 0.99

00:30:29.180 been like checking a bag is a nightmare and you're tacking on 20 minutes to your commute

00:30:34.620 And you're going to be waiting there

00:30:36.160 And guess what

00:30:36.820 They're going to lose it

00:30:38.360 It's like all the terror

00:30:39.340 That comes through

00:30:40.040 Right

00:30:40.320 Of all of that

00:30:41.720 And the last few

00:30:42.840 Checking experiences

00:30:43.780 Have been so stainless

00:30:44.720 That I'm like

00:30:45.640 This is

00:30:46.420 This is incredible

00:30:47.860 And I had

00:30:48.920 Just a few days ago

00:30:50.680 I checked

00:30:51.380 And I

00:30:51.820 Had the thing happen

00:30:52.960 That we all fear

00:30:53.580 Which is that I saw my bag

00:30:54.980 And I saw someone

00:30:57.020 Take it off the belt

00:30:58.680 Reach

00:30:59.160 No honey

00:30:59.540 They didn't just reach 0.99

00:31:00.300 Are you fucking serious 0.98

00:31:01.000 It leaves the belt 0.99

00:31:01.820 Is it a black roller

00:31:03.080 No it's a dark

00:31:04.220 navy blue roller but it has it has my tag on it like maybe blue too well you need what i need a 0.51

00:31:10.500 red no i need a red banana on it but um the red bandana is so so foolish but but no but i saw it

00:31:16.740 lift off the belt and i go kate relax okay you're gonna get it back yeah so i start i try not to

00:31:21.640 just run i try my instinct is just to drop my care my shoulder bag my shoulder bag i don't what is a

00:31:29.960 shoulder bag why did i just have such a strong reaction to that okay so i my urge is to belt

00:31:36.140 over i'm sorry to you know belt what's the word i'm looking for to bolt bolt christ see this i'm

00:31:40.660 talking about the language is not as easily you were next to a belt so it was actually a meaningful

00:31:46.040 connection my instinct is to bolt and start screaming you know drop it but instead i just

00:31:51.740 kind of I kind of I'm sure my eyes conveyed pure terror I go over whoever it was already put it

00:32:01.260 back on the belt so then I know but the way I then when I saw it you've got him by the shoulders

00:32:06.780 when I lifted it off the belt it was like I was imagining my suitcase for a second I had been so

00:32:12.540 scared it was like mommy no like it was like you're like you're like you know you're yelling

00:32:16.300 at your suitcase you know that thing i'm mad because i was afraid like never do never make

00:32:22.780 me never do that to me again johnny you know like i'm screaming i almost felt it gone and i was like

00:32:28.200 but i feel like when does that happen once every six years i mean there's no way

00:32:33.180 i mean um it happened to meet the parents it's it's truly a great truly a perfect film

00:32:40.820 I mean, it's very funny.

00:32:43.980 And they don't make them like that anymore. 0.99

00:32:47.380 They fucking don't. 0.99

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00:32:52.520 A comedy that broadly, a mainstream comedy that delivers.

00:32:59.800 That delivers with absolute excellence.

00:33:02.620 Yeah.

00:33:04.080 Wait, hold on.

00:33:05.480 The belt, though.

00:33:06.080 I'm sorry.

00:33:06.300 One thing, so, you know, I, they told me that I wouldn't have to leave and go through.

00:33:12.580 I went through security twice yesterday.

00:33:14.780 I checked bags twice yesterday.

00:33:17.260 No.

00:33:17.740 What was your connection?

00:33:18.700 So instead of being a connecting flight, the whole thing, LAX.

00:33:21.160 What?

00:33:21.460 Okay.

00:33:22.120 And they assured, they assured us, okay, on the phone that I could.

00:33:26.500 No one can ever assure you anything in this life.

00:33:28.440 Send them right through the thing, that my bags could be sent through to San Francisco.

00:33:32.440 Okay.

00:33:32.640 They assured. 1.00

00:33:34.280 And then there I am the woman going, well, let's get it. 0.97

00:33:35.860 It's a separate ticket. 0.90

00:33:36.900 It's not a connecting flight.

00:33:38.700 It's a separate ticket.

00:33:39.740 You'll have to go out again.

00:33:40.860 So I went out there.

00:33:42.340 I waited.

00:33:42.760 So I waited.

00:33:43.380 Think of this.

00:33:43.920 I waited at baggage claim twice.

00:33:45.280 Oh, honey.

00:33:46.700 Okay, I was standing at baggage claim twice, okay?

00:33:49.840 Now, which is pretty wild.

00:33:53.140 Anyway, which is pretty wild, me taking up three seconds of space.

00:33:57.820 No, you should take up the space.

00:33:59.300 But I want to say something.

00:33:59.760 the fact that

00:34:01.720 they have not done anything to improve

00:34:04.400 the lifestyle experience

00:34:06.880 why the hell

00:34:08.880 no chairs

00:34:09.700 no chairs

00:34:12.580 when they don't have a coffee shop

00:34:15.860 once you're already down

00:34:17.720 at ground transportation

00:34:19.260 when they don't have something to purchase there

00:34:21.780 that's hell

00:34:22.680 I was like there's no consumables

00:34:25.240 this is the problem

00:34:26.100 how do we make ourselves happy

00:34:27.740 yeah i know okay and so i'm like i'm like sell me something i know i know i know tell me anything

00:34:34.480 totally a man was walking through with souvenir like um light up balloons you know that just said

00:34:39.240 lax get your balloons i'd rather call them over

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00:38:29.000 So we had this beautiful trip with a friend of ours

00:38:32.760 and pina coladas were involved.

00:38:35.220 Oh, and we had a big growth moment.

00:38:37.060 Well, I'll tell the story and then I'll explain how I felt the other day

00:38:39.020 as I reflected back on it.

00:38:41.220 So, you know, I'm very territorial around my own food and drink, okay?

00:38:47.660 And I'm very entitled to a sip or a bite.

00:38:50.920 so we're dining with with a couple and someone's getting um a dessert and you're deciding without

00:38:56.880 to get one and i hear you mumbling to yourself about how you have a bite of theirs and i'm

00:39:00.560 leaning over no no husband in that situation he offered he said well you want some bites

00:39:06.980 no but there was a different moment i know what you're talking about okay

00:39:10.940 there was a different moment where you whispered you're like before you offered the bites

00:39:14.660 yeah i'm like do not do not like so like controlling in this way but also it it reveals

00:39:22.200 our closeness like it's something i would say to my mother where i'm just so sure i have the

00:39:25.520 right answer that i'm just gonna tell you do not do it you know what i mean so there was a series

00:39:29.740 of moments where i feel like i ordered pina coladas and you made more like adult choices

00:39:35.000 and then were disappointed as a result okay which i mean it's a big issue for me i also have a huge

00:39:42.820 fear around sweetness because they trigger migraines for me and alcohol no absolutely my

00:39:47.900 defense i empower you yeah right i empower you thus like that doesn't mean you're owed one sip

00:39:54.060 out of the 20 sips of my drink right right i empower you to order it and have a single sip

00:39:58.340 of yours and throw it across the room yeah yeah okay i do i try to manage socially to not be a 0.98

00:40:06.700 fucking jerk right so i don't go swatting the hands away of people i'm socializing with you 0.98

00:40:12.720 know whatever now when you get really close to me there i might start to feel like i can 0.99

00:40:19.020 go for it and express the needs however i feel shame i almost felt tears again but because i

00:40:26.000 know that you're you help yourself make choices by comforting yourself with i can have the bite

00:40:30.620 you know i can have the sip or whatever you know what else i think is unacceptable not really but

00:40:35.620 are you ready you'll love it you might want a pina colada or you might want the the bold drink

00:40:40.860 i'm getting but you're gonna wait to taste mine to decide if you'll get it so i'm like glad mine

00:40:46.300 can my pina colada be the testing ground and then then you take a little sip no i'm good i don't

00:40:50.920 eat it like i don't need it i don't need it no it's just i it's a cool a sip is gone from the

00:40:57.700 thing i knew i wanted because i've already had a couple things where i've not blinked an eye

00:41:02.900 at you taking a sip of trying my pina colada and i'm not saying every single one devastated me or

00:41:08.140 i was thinking about it but there's something in me that knows that if something comes it it adds

00:41:13.080 to my pleasure to just know the boundaries completely fair you know the first sip a lot

00:41:17.520 of people want the first sip yeah what what the first sip on a dry straw sometimes happens it's

00:41:22.640 almost like to get it out of the way their borrowed sip i like went for it and i it was

00:41:27.920 like terrifying i went for it i want to be clear i think i took one sip of your pina colada

00:41:33.080 A different one.

00:41:33.560 There was a different pina colada.

00:41:34.820 I asked for a sip.

00:41:37.060 And I gave it.

00:41:38.020 And then you gave it.

00:41:38.700 As though it was nothing to me.

00:41:40.120 And then a couple days later, you ordered a pina.

00:41:42.080 I ordered a Marg.

00:41:44.260 And I think I heard maybe a little something, a little comment.

00:41:49.820 A little like, how is it?

00:41:51.540 I think it might have been before it came.

00:41:53.060 I think, I don't think you said anything.

00:41:54.440 I think I just go, and you're not having a sip.

00:41:56.860 Yeah, that's what it was.

00:41:58.400 And you started crying.

00:41:59.340 and then and you were like i'm gonna cry again i love it you like respected the boundary

00:42:11.360 but even more no it's not that you respected the boundary that's what it was

00:42:16.240 like you didn't abandon me for me claiming a boundary i was proud of you and you were proud

00:42:24.440 it was profound it was and you were so sweet because you had you were crying and you were

00:42:28.400 like you're not mad and i was like i'm not mad i can't even articulate while i was oh yeah on the

00:42:35.540 plane i had to coach you i had to tell you that there will be food on the plane i asked someone

00:42:42.100 as i got on the plane the woman you know standing there i go is there food on this plane because

00:42:46.940 here's what i saw because one time i got screwed a snack jet blue yeah yeah yeah no i saw worse i 0.50

00:42:52.720 saw all the people waiting in line people getting on on the thing with huge bags of mcdonald's like

00:42:58.320 such food stuff to a plane that I was like they know something that I don't and the last time

00:43:02.520 that happened to me bless you the last time that happened to me was when I assumed there was going

00:43:06.900 to be food on this long ass like night flight and I was I was wrong and I got I see all the other 0.82

00:43:13.360 people eating their fucking McDonald's and their burritos from the airport and I was like oh my 0.98

00:43:19.120 god there's nothing but pop chips oh yeah hell but so hang on anyway I got there was not hot food 0.99

00:43:25.840 it wasn't hot but it was a meal

00:43:28.060 I was worried that the not hot

00:43:29.900 was going to be

00:43:31.420 I thought I was getting hot

00:43:34.160 beef I thought I was getting

00:43:35.960 like a steak

00:43:37.040 I'm sorry I just have to laugh

00:43:39.760 we now only talk about airplanes

00:43:42.280 I know and I was really going to try to bring it up

00:43:46.540 it's like oh a wellness

00:43:48.160 fifth in a row

00:43:48.760 it's not a wellness podcast

00:43:50.160 it never was but it's now

00:43:53.160 an airplane podcast

00:43:54.440 We talk about airplanes.

00:43:55.620 I wonder if we get sponsored by the points guy or Seat Guru.

00:43:59.260 Oh, those are the ones.

00:44:00.780 Anyway, let's pull back.

00:44:02.020 Sponsored by an airline.

00:44:02.740 I'm really excited.

00:44:03.440 I'm sorry.

00:44:03.960 We're on planes.

00:44:05.540 I think an airline should take over at this point.

00:44:08.500 Oh, wow.

00:44:09.680 There's not some, isn't there some Delta executive?

00:44:14.060 Delta, we're calling.

00:44:17.940 Can you imagine if JetBlue called?

00:44:20.480 Oh, wow.

00:44:21.800 I'm taking us out.

00:44:22.880 We can't do a full more airplane segment.

00:44:25.940 We'll be done with airplanes by end of act two, I swear.

00:44:29.280 There's one thing to say. 1.00

00:44:30.660 Can you imagine if there was a POOG,

00:44:33.620 if there was an airplane, an airline that supported POOG, okay?

00:44:37.600 Okay.

00:44:38.380 Do they not recognize what that would do?

00:44:41.200 Now I'm going grandiose.

00:44:42.620 POOG Air, we launched an airline.

00:44:44.500 Well, I mean, Richard Branson launched his Virgin or whatever.

00:44:47.680 And, you know, I don't think he was some plane man.

00:44:51.100 I think he was just some ideas man.

00:44:52.680 I have a huge idea.

00:44:53.820 All right.

00:44:54.020 What is it?

00:44:55.020 Yeah.

00:44:55.520 Every ticket costs the same.

00:44:58.180 Okay.

00:44:58.480 Actually.

00:44:58.920 And every,

00:44:59.160 and every ticket and every,

00:45:00.320 and it's only first class all the way to the back.

00:45:02.320 Well,

00:45:02.420 here's what I was going to say.

00:45:05.000 It's a huge plane.

00:45:06.960 I guess plane's already huge.

00:45:09.260 Wait,

00:45:09.900 wait,

00:45:10.700 wait.

00:45:11.820 Wide body jet.

00:45:12.800 So it's a wide body girthy jet.

00:45:15.260 Yeah.

00:45:15.580 It's essentially the business class experience.

00:45:17.700 Maybe not a first class pod experience,

00:45:19.240 but it's a business class experience throughout.

00:45:21.220 this is like the old world

00:45:22.820 where all the tickets are

00:45:23.980 a certain price

00:45:25.260 and they're endlessly interchangeable

00:45:26.900 if you miss your flight

00:45:28.080 or whatever

00:45:28.460 you can cancel

00:45:29.260 and get on a new one

00:45:30.280 interesting

00:45:31.620 anywhere in the US

00:45:33.000 okay

00:45:33.980 let me think about this

00:45:35.340 coming with a price

00:45:35.680 anywhere

00:45:35.980 because you gotta

00:45:38.700 it's gotta strike the balance

00:45:39.980 I mean

00:45:40.720 anywhere in the new

00:45:42.420 I also don't think

00:45:42.700 this is about cheap

00:45:43.360 I don't think this is about affordability

00:45:44.940 no it's not

00:45:45.400 this is a

00:45:45.900 affordability play

00:45:47.480 don't you think

00:45:47.500 if it was everywhere in the US

00:45:48.860 $500

00:45:49.380 and you got

00:45:51.140 a big, you got a nice

00:45:53.340 and people are going to go, but I'm only

00:45:55.480 flying from LA to San Francisco.

00:45:57.360 Well, guess what? You're still paying $500, okay?

00:46:00.600 Because guess what?

00:46:02.200 When you're flying

00:46:03.440 to London, okay?

00:46:04.760 It's also $500.

00:46:07.420 Maybe for international.

00:46:09.060 We never fly to London.

00:46:11.220 For international.

00:46:12.180 I think right now we only launch within the US.

00:46:15.640 Keep this in mind.

00:46:17.260 A spa experience, which is often

00:46:19.160 priced by the minutes. They're like, the forest

00:46:21.120 bath 90 or the forest bath 120 you know there is a mentality if if the plane experience is so

00:46:27.960 positive then even a two-hour flight i don't think it's wrong to ask for spa level pricing

00:46:37.380 see what i'm saying yeah it's a luxury experience i guess no no i just think there are fewer seats

00:46:41.860 there are fewer seats and it's okay this is obviously and obviously that's what jet blue

00:46:45.680 thought they were doing i'm not i mean they did in a way the most no one they started with nothing

00:46:50.520 They started with no first class.

00:46:51.680 Do you recall?

00:46:52.780 Whoa.

00:46:53.060 JetBlue began with just more, I think, more legroom and coach than any other airline.

00:47:01.320 And I recognize-

00:47:02.340 They were forced to add Mint.

00:47:03.580 The people wanted a little package.

00:47:05.600 Mint is extraordinary.

00:47:06.180 I can't believe we're-

00:47:06.620 I'm so sorry.

00:47:07.380 We're still talking about airplanes.

00:47:08.380 We got to get off.

00:47:10.200 Us, Sedona, somewhere.

00:47:12.540 Again, is it mountains?

00:47:13.480 Is it beach?

00:47:14.060 Is it rocks?

00:47:15.060 There's something about it being Sedona that I'm kind of-

00:47:17.700 Just double down and do Sedona?

00:47:19.060 Even though, yes, we would go 13 hours to wherever,

00:47:23.420 there is something about like Sedona.

00:47:25.720 The hour and a half flight that rules.

00:47:27.480 Yeah. 0.99

00:47:27.820 Yeah, that fucking rules and becomes like, 0.99

00:47:30.880 it's pretty close. 0.99

00:47:32.780 Okay.

00:47:33.100 It's pretty close.

00:47:33.660 And of course, you know what I'm doing.

00:47:34.900 So then we get to return.

00:47:36.440 Us going to Sedona,

00:47:37.980 hour and a half flight from Los Angeles.

00:47:39.460 I'm like, oh, so now I'm basically creating

00:47:41.420 a new place in my life where I can go.

00:47:42.880 Right.

00:47:43.140 That's what I mean.

00:47:44.040 I want to learn about Sedona.

00:47:44.960 Right.

00:47:45.840 And okay, should we just lock Sedona in?

00:47:48.920 right now let's lock Sedona in okay okay never made that sound in my life yeah um us

00:47:58.920 desert talking that was like a that sound that was like really that came something new came

00:48:04.740 through I guess yeah something new came through I think Sedona could be huge and yeah rocks and

00:48:11.980 by the way you praying at dawn yes you trying to hide the like okay so remember it was like you

00:48:19.680 know you're not gonna like like check in daily to make sure i'm still interested in going or

00:48:23.220 whatever yeah okay and you're not really not gonna like obsess like whatever like

00:48:27.020 like i'm gonna scare off still did it yeah you still did it but try to hide it under

00:48:31.880 hide it under like information like you're like i like i almost want to look no i can't find it

00:48:39.640 It was like, it's like, you know, these texts, like the trip's going to be huge.

00:48:42.940 Like, I mean, specifically, like, I'm just like, I can't explain it.

00:48:46.880 Like, it was like, it was like, but I loved it.

00:48:51.100 And the extent to how easily I can picture glancing over to you while we're both on horses.

00:48:57.960 Oh, my God.

00:48:59.460 Gentle fear of being thrown from the horse.

00:49:01.220 I'm just going to say now.

00:49:03.560 Gentle fear of being bucked.

00:49:05.540 I, they don't put you on the ones that buck, though.

00:49:08.440 That's the thing.

00:49:09.080 They're putting you on the ones

00:49:10.320 that have like received the injection

00:49:11.960 to like never bug or whatever. 0.99

00:49:15.180 No, they don't fuck around, okay? 0.99

00:49:18.100 No, there's, the only thing I'll say 0.99

00:49:20.020 is, I mean, technically,

00:49:21.920 if that horse, he's a rattler.

00:49:24.920 I just said, got spooked by a snake.

00:49:27.740 Oh.

00:49:29.420 Yeah.

00:49:33.360 Full body cast. 0.90

00:49:34.480 I think they're probably even trained for that.

00:49:38.180 I don't know.

00:49:38.780 we're probably not

00:49:40.620 like on our first trip

00:49:41.740 to Sedona

00:49:42.300 we're probably not

00:49:43.200 going to get like

00:49:43.920 into the deep cuts

00:49:45.080 kind of like ranches

00:49:46.620 we're probably going to be

00:49:47.560 at like Disneyland

00:49:48.300 no we're the

00:49:49.200 exactly

00:49:49.740 the Disneyland one

00:49:50.460 I just have the most 0.96

00:49:51.860 fucked up image 0.98

00:49:52.780 that I shouldn't even say 0.98

00:49:53.660 which is like

00:49:54.380 the horse starts to get spooked

00:49:56.360 mid buck

00:49:56.820 they just shoot it dead 0.97

00:49:57.860 oh you mean 0.99

00:50:00.480 you mean like

00:50:01.440 that's how they

00:50:02.180 like handle it

00:50:02.940 at the Disneyland ranch

00:50:04.120 yeah

00:50:04.900 like the most 1.00

00:50:06.300 fucked up team 1.00

00:50:07.080 if your horse 1.00

00:50:08.320 go oh and the horse starts to move in a way they go oh she's about to get bucked they just shoot

00:50:12.560 it between the eyes right still and you go oh well it'd be like and then they prepare you like

00:50:17.040 you will not get bucked but you might feel the life you might fall onto you drain be extinguished

00:50:25.260 too soon i've been in new york for months during my show i'm arriving back in la i have a lot of

00:50:32.080 bags and by the way folks i went and purchased in a way suitcase in a hurry because i had

00:50:37.500 could not fit the stuff i went into a way i got the um the big one yeah not the hugest one but

00:50:46.840 not the carry-on flex the size up whatever it's great i know the one so i run out i get that

00:50:53.360 i'm like okay i'm doing it i have so i have a huge what i'm trying to say is i had

00:50:58.500 two really big bags a small bag a shoulder bag i had too much stuff i'm trying to justify right

00:51:03.540 now that i when i landed in la i got a curbside pickup from uber because i couldn't manage the

00:51:09.580 shuttle on my own it was 11 p.m are you saying that you just had you described having so many

00:51:15.040 bags to justify getting an uber yeah like not taking the shuttle it's crazy what who cares

00:51:21.280 to the uber center at lax we have to take the shuttle remember you've seen me take the shuttle

00:51:26.720 yes yes to take this shuttle to like the the area and it was crowded whatever so i thought you know

00:51:32.120 what i'm just doing it i'm getting curbside and so this so i'm waiting the uber driver calls me

00:51:38.180 he's like there's a lot of traffic at the airport i'm 10 minutes away sorry i was like that's fine

00:51:42.140 i'm waiting i'm waiting i'm see the car start to pull up and i see check the license plate oh it's

00:51:47.880 my car i start to struggle to get my bags over to it and then i see this guy who's loading all

00:51:53.420 his stuff i can hear it and i can feel it i can feel the struggle i can feel all of it oh you

00:51:57.460 if you can't imagine, the bag loses.

00:52:00.840 No, when the bag slips from the shoulder.

00:52:02.540 Contact with my shoulder, slips down.

00:52:04.800 I curse it.

00:52:05.780 Yeah.

00:52:06.080 So then I'm seeing this man loading his stuff

00:52:09.100 into my Uber with his girlfriend or what have you.

00:52:12.520 I go, oh no.

00:52:13.960 And I go, oh, maybe I'm wrong.

00:52:15.220 And then I look down and go, no, that is my car.

00:52:17.420 So I walk over, he's in, his girlfriend's in,

00:52:19.780 he's in, he's about to close the door.

00:52:21.360 And I say, so politely, I go, oh, overly coquettish.

00:52:26.620 oh no right yeah oh i go oh even though you'd known for my voice up 10 octaves of course i go

00:52:33.940 oh sorry i think i even said sorry maybe i said all right oh oh um i think this is my uber yep

00:52:40.560 and he goes it's not he goes it's not and slams the door and i go wait slams it from the outside

00:52:50.340 and he's about to move around to his side because he just put his his no no sorry he's in he goes

00:52:55.040 the the window is like he pulls it closed he pulls it closed okay he looks at me he goes it's not and 0.99

00:53:01.220 slams the door and i go jesus asshole i don't know who raised you but you should really learn 0.98

00:53:07.760 in some minutes you should learn how to talk to people with some decency no decency and he goes 0.99

00:53:11.880 hell yeah yeah okay and then the and the uber starts to drive away what i look down it was my

00:53:19.120 uber okay so i look down and i see on the app it says heading to my address and i go yeah i knew it

00:53:23.760 So I immediately call the driver.

00:53:25.180 The car is gone.

00:53:26.660 Not super quick, but it's like, you know, half a block down the thing.

00:53:29.740 Is his name Kate?

00:53:31.700 Her name Kate?

00:53:32.540 So I call the driver.

00:53:33.760 I call the driver and I go, hi.

00:53:36.680 And he goes, that's, and the driver's apologetic.

00:53:40.200 Oh my God, I'm so sorry.

00:53:41.520 I go, that's okay.

00:53:43.060 And he's like, can you come this way?

00:53:44.880 I go, yeah.

00:53:45.540 So I, so then I start lugging again, the huge bag, the other huge bag, the carry on wheelie

00:53:50.940 and my shoulder bag.

00:53:51.920 I am. And by the way, I pick up the pace because I go, I want to see this. Of course, you don't

00:53:57.080 want him. And I'm literally I'm not in the night, almost cackling. I say out loud. I fucking can't

00:54:03.740 wait to see him. I'm I'm practically skipping. Yes. Yes. So I get there. The driver, he's already 0.99

00:54:09.700 unloaded the stuff. The driver's like, I'm so sorry. That was their name. And yeah, no, no,

00:54:14.400 I don't see him yet. And I go, that's OK. It's not your fault. And then I I literally I drop my

00:54:19.280 bags. I go looking for him. I walk to the front. I'm looking around. I see him. Would I interpret

00:54:26.600 as cowering? Because there was a, this like big column. He's like way in the back. There's always

00:54:32.000 a column at LAX. I'll tell you that much. And he's, he's back at the column. I know him well.

00:54:36.460 I go and I go and I put my hands in a prayer position. I bow and I go, thank you so much,

00:54:41.100 asshole. Have a great night. No, you said asshole again? Yes. Oh. Did I say asshole? Maybe, 1.00

00:54:46.260 no maybe I didn't say asshole I said I said no no I think I just I grasped I clasped my hands 0.99

00:54:50.400 yes thank you and I went thank you so much have a great night and the girlfriend goes like all 0.98

00:54:56.340 right that's enough and I go teach your boy and I go teach your boyfriend how to like I what did I

00:55:02.240 fucking say I said something about like yeah yeah something like that like I wish it I wish I 0.78

00:55:07.140 remember what it was but it was something good baby and I felt and when I tell you I felt so 0.98

00:55:11.240 vindicated and so alive and so good because the only circumstance I will do that if you are so

00:55:17.080 outwardly aggressively rude yes and it's like there's just no and by the way you were wrong

00:55:24.240 like you should have you made like I mean there really was there okay he was cowering in a way

00:55:30.340 that you felt he was hoping to not have an interaction and by the way there's something

00:55:34.140 else I did too there's something else I did too and then later I was reflecting on the story I

00:55:39.240 was like, did I go too hard? But then, but then I get in the car, I'm laughing with the Uber driver.

00:55:45.100 The Uber driver goes, he offered me, he said, I said, Kate. And the girl, I guess said, yes.

00:55:50.240 And then she was like, and then he just like offered me cash. So he did. He was, he was

00:55:54.220 purposely trying. He knew. I have a lot to say about this. That's not cool. So his technique,

00:55:58.620 we got to watch out for his technique. We're going to discuss his technique in a second. Don't

00:56:01.740 forget. Okay. Okay. So then, and I said to the driver, the driver and I are laughing and I go,

00:56:06.020 and I go

00:56:07.000 I really don't talk

00:56:07.840 to people like that

00:56:08.540 but he was just being

00:56:09.760 it was just outrageous

00:56:10.500 it was so rude

00:56:11.160 I couldn't believe it

00:56:11.820 and the driver said

00:56:12.780 no no he was being

00:56:13.820 you know it's crazy

00:56:14.640 so then we're pulling up

00:56:16.060 he gets in his other car

00:56:17.260 so it's like

00:56:18.020 oh by the way

00:56:18.540 you see the guy

00:56:18.860 just if you had waited

00:56:19.840 three more minutes

00:56:20.760 I see the guy in his car

00:56:22.220 they pull off

00:56:22.820 I'm up next to them

00:56:24.680 no two cars next to each other

00:56:26.180 yeah yeah

00:56:27.840 and I stick

00:56:28.620 and I flip them off

00:56:29.740 because I know he's there

00:56:30.800 and my Uber driver's loving it

00:56:32.460 he's laughing

00:56:33.040 we're having fun

00:56:33.960 well everybody i hope you enjoyed that that's the episode thank you love you kate bye

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