Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Resist The Flip

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00:01:05.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

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00:01:19.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking, impossible abundance, white vinegar, sack of lunch.

00:01:25.540 I'm going to jump right in and say,

00:01:30.160 when's the last time you watched a feature film,

00:01:32.700 That Thing You Do?

00:01:33.960 Oh, you mean, you mean,

00:01:36.520 and I got that something.

00:01:39.220 It's not that song,

00:01:40.040 but it sounds a lot like that Beatles song.

00:01:41.500 Do you know what I'm saying?

00:01:41.860 That's the one to hold your hand by the Beatles,

00:01:43.080 but yes, it's actually a perfect pop song,

00:01:45.860 or it's a perfect song that they have in the movie.

00:01:48.560 But then I'll say the one other thing that was key.

00:01:50.240 I'm just going to, before you can get it,

00:01:51.260 you can get into it.

00:01:52.000 i wasted thousands and thousands of kisses on you kisses i thought were special because of your

00:02:00.000 eyes and your lips and all your something yeah oh my god shame on me oh no no shame on me for

00:02:05.620 kissing you with my eyes shut so tight oh wow i mean it's like do you love it that monologue's

00:02:11.060 hard not that right but overall overall overall i was moved i cried okay i chewed up 10 years no

00:02:18.400 no no 20 years longer i don't know 45 so long 45 years ago had it on vhs for those of you who

00:02:25.340 don't know what it is run i repeat run to your local theater and demand they screen it it's a

00:02:30.400 tom hanks feature film directed it he also makes he also has a cameo or you know a role in it but

00:02:35.140 it's um it's i teared up twice and i want to say this is not a spoiler i cried cry the tears formed

00:02:42.580 twice when they hear well the first time i was ecstatically tearing up when they hear their song

00:02:47.860 on the radio for the first time and um i just want to say i was watching it on an airplane and

00:02:54.060 i was like they don't make them like this anymore and then two nights ago i re-watched one of my

00:03:02.260 and now i'm i'm happy to put it in the top 10 my best friend's wedding well don't even okay that

00:03:08.600 is make them like that that anymore okay and why my best friend's wedding has been ignored when it

00:03:16.860 is a like I mean I know a lot of people love it by now but that movie like people don't some people 0.97

00:03:22.180 fools think that that is just some stupid romantic comedy when that movie is deeply subversive and I 0.74

00:03:28.120 just want sisters by the way um you know Brenda Chenoweth Rachel yeah yeah Brenda's in it with a 0.99

00:03:35.680 lobster hands okay and and the movie opens with an Ani DeFranco cover which I of course wouldn't

00:03:41.220 know that that was a cover okay um just you know that's that's ony defranco no yeah it is

00:03:46.920 i almost wanna it is okay it is officially a subversive film it is and i know julia roberts

00:03:51.480 comes up a lot a lot for me and thus a lot on poog but she is the best we've ever had

00:03:56.220 and the day she dies i die and um i am moved by her i am humbled i am enamored i am forever

00:04:04.980 her at her feet wondering how does she do it and who gave her that and some gifts are given by god

00:04:11.800 right and she was bestowed with a gift that only god can give and i reject all training in the name

00:04:17.960 of julia but you reject what in the name of julian i reject all training oh that being said i cannot

00:04:22.980 speak to her acting training but i just love when you see a star shine so bright and so clearly and 0.99

00:04:28.180 you go not only can you not teach that you can't even it's she's a vessel i'm just she is a fucking

00:04:36.400 vessel okay and this is exciting i've never seen a woman before she'll always be the only woman 0.98

00:04:42.700 the only woman yeah that ever lived and um wow i just love her and it's so great i want to take

00:04:48.640 you through i mean i want to take i want to i want to live in this cameron diaz's and i will

00:04:52.960 fight a war i will go to any country and i will fight i will strap a bomb to my back and i will

00:04:57.940 destroy myself to protect cameron diaz's career yeah you mean because she too and under some

00:05:04.800 sensation also that's just not to make this uh instead of poo the movie podcast beauty i'm sorry

00:05:10.320 but they beauty right their beauty um obscures yeah yeah people people just can't believe that

00:05:19.000 god could bestow that many gifts in one no i agree the gifts they refuse to see all the gifts at once

00:05:26.620 the impossible abundance of cameron diaz the impossible abundance of julia roberts consider

00:05:31.800 consider um god what's the one with um it's so good what's the one with uh being john malkovich 0.88

00:05:39.780 well damn i mean the first moment that you see her was she not not in for an oscar i mean

00:05:45.620 i don't know but just when you see her with that hair okay and they understand i mean top 10 it's 0.98

00:05:51.120 i had a boyfriend in high school you ready for this it's really sick so first he tried to get

00:05:57.440 us to walk out of fight club and i did okay okay i like this guy i'm so confused yeah yeah i was

00:06:02.460 so confused that i went with it like i don't know i thought something was seriously wrong

00:06:05.960 then he tried to get us to walk out of being john malkovich okay

00:06:10.320 and i said i will never like i said i'm not making that mistake again because last time i

00:06:16.840 found out like he just didn't like wasn't enjoying Fight Club okay and so I was like so he sat in a

00:06:22.740 cafe across the street or like a pizza shop while I finished the film alone isn't that astonishing

00:06:28.480 it's just that memory came up earlier oh and then we watched Girl Interrupted together you know we

00:06:33.220 saw Girl Interrupted in the theater and and he um leaned over and said she's just like you

00:06:37.340 you know like like whatever like like because to him and what he was like I was a very

00:06:45.260 artsy depressive you know what i mean so it's just like yeah um but anyway i just i don't even know

00:06:52.400 why that thing you do came in and sparked me yeah no wait but i want to stay in this for a second

00:06:57.480 oh the movie with um like i literally cannot be on record forgetting her name oh tony collette

00:07:02.360 okay the one with tony collette the one with tony collette and cameron diaz the sisters

00:07:07.580 their sisters it's brilliant what the hell are you talking about it's a movie oh in her shoes

00:07:12.380 in her shoes never saw it never even heard of it don't know of what you speak at all well welcome

00:07:16.280 to your welcome to the rest of your day writing it down in her shoes i believe it's called in her

00:07:21.000 in her shoes okay and i can't remember much but i remember being moved big time okay you need then

00:07:27.140 i mean i prefer to not remember much more yeah and then um so i've never i'm looking at the poster

00:07:34.080 and i'm a shock ass i've never seen this and then i want to okay i want to i need to stay in julia

00:07:42.020 roberts for a minute okay always okay the only guest the only guest once a season we get roberts 0.67

00:07:51.000 okay um no what is it for you i mean just take me through what roberts is to you where it starts

00:07:57.560 what are the key i mean what about nodding hill yeah sure hey because remember she plays an

00:08:03.080 actress no no i of course dinner table i mean well that's the big monologue which basically

00:08:08.100 it means i've been starving for a decade oh wow i've been on a diet since i was 19 or whatever

00:08:12.920 and then she goes pointing out the chin job the nose job i should rewatch those lovely brits i

00:08:18.300 love those brits in that movie and the one guy it's brilliant the one guy's like oh i'm an actor

00:08:22.760 too you know i've been a couple things have you been gotten any work or whatever and oh and then

00:08:27.680 when he realizes she's 12 million dollars yeah yeah incredible last picture ballpark what'd you

00:08:32.740 make oh wow 12 million dollars or whatever yeah she she just and this is in my best friend's

00:08:39.660 wedding the fact that she's a comedic genius really comes to the front yes of it all yes but 1.00

00:08:43.700 she we've talked about you know um erin brockovich changed my life but um but uh called tits gym 0.99

00:08:51.000 she's um she is julia roberts is the weather i can't pinpoint her because she is temperature 0.68

00:08:58.900 she is she is her permanence i i don't was she ever born and will she ever die she transcends

00:09:08.800 death in the way that some celebrities truly can where she is and she belongs to no one and that

00:09:14.780 is why she is she is her smile and her laugh welcome to her smile are you kidding are you 0.92

00:09:20.600 kidding her teeth the lip she has the top lip that goes flat oh yeah she has the julia robert 1.00

00:09:28.160 to this my gorgeous cousin has and i used to stare at her as a child and be like bitch like no yeah 1.00

00:09:34.520 she is actually i didn't hate her for it i just was i just loved it it's like no right it's the 0.77

00:09:39.400 thing that people now try to create sometimes but she and it's the full throat it's the laugh that

00:09:44.300 she does but it's not fake or who cares if it's fake i could care less but it's that she has that

00:09:48.900 her the big julia laugh it works very few people can laugh on can laugh on film very few i would

00:09:55.480 argue for julia wait actually i would argue one julia julia who else who do i enjoy seeing laugh

00:10:01.300 who is good at expressing joy on film okay hold on how do we get there expressing joy is one of

00:10:05.180 the most impossible things to pretend oh no okay yes one time in new york city okay i don't know

00:10:11.320 a couple years ago or something i got invited to this like thing or sent by someone it was like

00:10:16.360 small like little mini acting workshop for one day like maybe it was some kind of like auditions

00:10:22.280 thing and we showed up and we were given a short you know monologue and we had to work on it in

00:10:28.640 front of the group as hell it was literal hell oh no i know what it was i know what it was it was

00:10:32.540 like acting for comedians okay and it was like people's managers sending them or something

00:10:36.780 it went and it was like these other comedians so it was like the humiliation of attempting acting

00:10:40.720 with other like in front of other comedians because i mean you can imagine right because

00:10:46.060 it's just a different thing and then my monologue that they gave me you know and it was this idea

00:10:50.860 that oh it was it was class was being run by a casting director alarm scam ponzi scheme run

00:10:57.760 yeah it was free it was free okay but it was like it was like a little like invite thing like okay

00:11:02.520 like you know you go in there and yeah you'll make inroads you'll make inroads with a casting

00:11:06.460 director and it was over in like the abc building or something and so she like looked at us like

00:11:11.120 online and like decided on the monologue like essentially casted us into the monologue you

00:11:16.180 know gave us a monologue for us what she perceived as for us okay and so mine was this like short

00:11:21.560 monologue basically like reacting with bubbly girlish joy about having been proposed to oh

00:11:28.300 my god like with no nothing to it like just pure like and i i was like i don't and this is an issue 0.60

00:11:36.320 where i'm like my one of my key issues with acting is i'm afraid that if i play some dumb character 0.94

00:11:42.300 people will think it's me like if I don't if I don't shit on the words with my own eyes yeah 0.98

00:11:49.220 while I'm saying them like people will think like I'm as dumb as the character I don't know it's 0.97

00:11:53.240 like that's an issue with a comedic right if you're playing something comedically you know 0.82

00:11:57.760 are you letting everyone know like how hard do you feel you have to let them know that you're

00:12:01.960 doing something you know the fear of subtlety being mistaken for bad acting right when actually

00:12:07.240 you're playing like an it's it's just there's acting is impossible acting like what would you

00:12:11.880 do if the lines were like oh my god i can't believe it he asked me to marry him i'm the

00:12:17.580 luckiest girl in the world i mean i mean immediate plunge into the atlantic ocean yeah never to be

00:12:23.540 seen from and i think i almost cried i think i almost cried because i started doing it and it

00:12:27.960 was like not like and like her like being like you're doing it badly and i'm looking at like

00:12:32.400 people we know sitting in the chairs oh god you can't act in front of your friends exactly you

00:12:37.680 need it to be strangers especially comedians who oh god like the self-consciousness the level of 0.74

00:12:43.920 what you know what what we all do is we take shit down can you imagine watching sorry i'm just i'm 0.99

00:12:51.220 i'm just imagining like the only thing worse would you rather have sex in front of a room 0.99

00:12:56.160 of comedians or act right you're trying to come up with something that is actually like a 0.65

00:13:03.260 neither or no or just like that level of like well like or what video would you rather have

00:13:08.200 leaked i guess oh i guess that's better that's better um i think the answer is clear do they

00:13:13.080 do productions essentially own any um like there's no legality when you if if an actor submits an

00:13:19.420 audition tape that prevents the people for leaking it online 20 years down the line oh my god rachel

00:13:25.300 mcadams audition for the notebook is on is on youtube youtube video like it's never not at the

00:13:30.940 top of my she turns around that's what's so wild she turns around in the audition i was like she

00:13:36.040 is getting the role folks because she's she turns away from the camera and turns back to start his

00:13:42.460 tears are there it's like i don't even is it mid i can't remember i think it's mid he's like it's

00:13:47.420 not like i she turned around so that she could start by turning into us no no it's ryan gosling

00:13:51.720 mid mid oh he is there no monologue by the way i already watched the notebook recently in the last 0.98

00:13:56.860 year dog shit folks guess what hate to say it guess what never seen it guess what don't need 0.97

00:14:04.100 to it's laugh out loud ridiculous i really wanted to go to snuggle up and be like oh isn't it fun 0.98

00:14:11.100 but it's actually um it's just it's bad it just it's not it doesn't it's not working it's not

00:14:18.520 working and i don't enjoy everyone's i don't enjoy the ending of gina roland's being like

00:14:24.860 oh she has dementia and and him being like come back to me baby i'm like it's actually not how

00:14:30.040 dementia works you cowards wait just that she doesn't come back to him baby does she oh baby

00:14:36.280 she does no no he goes she goes it's me you're my love oh no i'll hold me so tight and then a 0.91

00:14:42.680 moment later she's like who are you get out get out or whatever and i'm like yeah you're not like

00:14:47.500 float it's like floating in and out his insistence on like staying with her which god bless actually

00:14:52.300 i'm not gonna rail on that but it's like his insistence i'm like i'm being like i'm gonna

00:14:56.740 get her back it's like well no right the belief that love can pull someone back from um which

00:15:02.100 actually that does work on me because we all know the interstellar is the greatest film ever made

00:15:06.500 number one great interstellar is in the thing when anne hathaway right when she's like well

00:15:11.360 love does do something or can it like whatever she talks about love as being like an actual force 0.91

00:15:17.120 The most powerful force in the world

00:15:19.780 We need to watch Interstellar together

00:15:21.180 In the next 30 days

00:15:22.540 We need to do it and then we will bring

00:15:24.620 We are doing it

00:15:25.680 And we give warning now

00:15:28.260 We're going to wrap up, we're going to go to break

00:15:30.220 We are giving warning now, everyone is going to watch Interstellar

00:15:33.180 We're doing communal Interstellar

00:15:35.000 So that they're prepared

00:15:36.220 So that two weeks from now

00:15:38.400 When we have the Interstellar episode

00:15:39.840 They've watched fresh

00:15:40.780 You've got your warning now folks

00:15:42.680 I can't wait

00:15:43.840 Go to break please

00:15:46.360 this is writer strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:15:58.000 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:16:04.740 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs so no i am not

00:16:11.140 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:16:18.400 There were years, writer, where I could not say your name.

00:16:21.180 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:16:30.260 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:16:34.840 They have had this case for 30 years. 1.00

00:16:37.760 I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00

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00:16:50.400 you know what i want to talk about yeah humidifiers oh well i've got a lot to say

00:17:04.100 okay never have okay i'll just say it so i have i have moved for a job i'm staying in a place with 0.88

00:17:10.040 stale air AC, whatever you want to goddamn call it. Persistent cough, dry cough, terrifying. Is 0.92

00:17:14.760 it COVID? Right. It's not tested consistently the cough. I FaceTimed with a doctor and he was like,

00:17:20.080 just driving into him and he's like, go get a humidifier. I'll get one tomorrow. He was like,

00:17:23.240 get one tonight. I said, Ooh, daddy. I love that. Cut to me 945 in target, having a target

00:17:30.140 breakthrough. Right. I buy it. $30. I was like, Oh, I thought I was going to be like 60. I had

00:17:35.660 no idea what these things were i take it home next morning i wake up oh look whose cough has

00:17:40.400 improved by 60 oh look whose skin is now supple humidifiers as skincare i will never not sleep

00:17:49.280 next to one i thought i communicated this to you at some point excuse me okay i i'm like i thought

00:17:54.560 we covered this in poog 0001 okay i'm like convinced we did we we very well might not have

00:18:00.320 because humidity oh no i know why i know why i think i did because i remember telling you about

00:18:04.640 a hydrometer okay aka hydrometer a little thing i carry in my home okay i picked it up for my

00:18:11.720 father because he does it in my parents home he monitors the humidity you know it can't get too

00:18:16.320 low can't get too high you don't want the you know the the rug in the basement to to mildew over

00:18:21.680 okay so you want there's a there's a there's an optimal level and you get a hydrometer in your

00:18:28.420 life you know you always know and sometimes naturally from the weather you're at the right

00:18:32.740 spot and you don't have to use the humidifier but i believe it is one of the absolute keys to

00:18:37.640 skincare okay this is we just broke the internet kids that is um that is unreal because the

00:18:44.820 humidifier i love it and and then um what brand i'm sorry because i know the target humidifiers

00:18:50.120 because were you tempted by and i have been the animal shaped ones i think i even got one i didn't

00:18:55.000 see one beautiful but yes i would have been no this is like animals this one unfortunately there

00:19:00.940 was like one that was like a little more expensive but i went with this one it was 30 it's like

00:19:04.380 black it's small it looks like an alexa or something it has that very just like technological

00:19:09.120 like there's one button to press it on here's where i get upset i took it home i look at the 0.97

00:19:13.480 instructions they go daily care wipe it daily are you out of your goddamn i'm not doing it 0.98

00:19:17.500 are you out of your are you absolutely sick i'm supposed to own a humidifier and then each day 0.97

00:19:23.800 tend to it as laughable do what do i what do i have to do to just i mean okay and i and i almost

00:19:31.420 was like well then i'm not using it and i haven't i haven't cleaned it once jacqueline it is the it

00:19:35.240 is the no and no one does i have a the dirtiest humidifier over there from last time i was in

00:19:40.800 new york good i get so upset when they go oh my god oh my god we have to do it i help me help me

00:19:45.520 i don't understand vinegar white vinegar it's cleaning people use it i don't understand how

00:19:50.040 i'm like vinegar who like i i don't get it everyone's always going oh use vinegar and i

00:19:54.020 and you're like white vinegar what what what what destroy the machine no humidifier is is the most

00:20:00.540 the world of humidity the marketplace of the humidifier okay is has there ever been riper

00:20:06.340 fruit for a marketplace disruption like i am waiting for humidifier 2.0 okay and i see feeble

00:20:14.800 attempts like just through design right like oh this one is designed better like should be like

00:20:19.520 ac there is a problem and it's time to be like ac someone where's the good like these are this is

00:20:25.040 like we all just accept okay that they get gross they give that little do you know that little

00:20:29.100 brush that comes with it for like didn't get a brush okay well some of them that have this

00:20:33.160 little silver disc that is somehow the key component you're supposed to brush it with

00:20:38.280 this tiny little brush to clear off the and where do you keep that brush in a vault do you take a

00:20:43.120 to a safe it's it's under my it's on the floor under my toilet you know it's like fallen it's

00:20:48.520 always fallen it's too light to everything falls heft really quick just because i had to interject

00:20:52.720 quickly to say please do you have this issue of things falling okay wait yes when you're on your

00:20:58.240 counter bottles knocking over yes it's enough to make me want to smash my mirror i'd say every

00:21:02.600 three days and i go are other people having this why are things falling on the counter

00:21:06.100 like if a cleanser tips over and then hits a bottle of moisturizer and the both bottles go

00:21:10.900 down that goes i just about lose it me and chris talk about it because because he um he is a very

00:21:16.320 strong reaction to anything falling knocking over i okay i struggle with this to a point of absurdity

00:21:22.380 and it includes like guess what a sonic hair an oral b oh oh yeah when they all go tumbling when

00:21:29.240 that lands on the ground and you're hoping that it's bristles up okay and you pick it out i mean

00:21:35.320 there's nothing there's no i'm gonna get my elbows removed because the amount of because the fact

00:21:40.320 that they knock things over and then don't get me started on the hair dryer the cord plugged in

00:21:44.520 you're drying your hair and then the cord wipes out it is just the cord cordons we're going to

00:21:49.340 be post cord it goes it goes and then okay we're already moving toward a post i know and yet of

00:21:55.460 course then comes in the emfs okay there's no winning death you know my mom goes they're

00:21:59.920 installing 5g on the block i went great you have to move oh no great we're moving and she she goes

00:22:05.780 she goes and it's the strangest sounds i was terrified she was like well they're doing

00:22:09.660 something and they're installing 5g and it just makes the most strange sounds the installation

00:22:15.420 i was like oh cool well and i was like great well we're going to be radiated beyond recognition

00:22:20.880 and if i ever do have a pregnancy let's just hope that the thing's human 0.98

00:22:26.880 you are i don't i'm not going to stop and be meta about how goddamn electric you are today 0.96

00:22:37.460 you know what it is what is it absolute depression and agony right it's freed you it's freed you it's 0.93

00:22:42.680 actually not depression it's something about the madness of any kind of yeah the madness of sorrow 0.75

00:22:47.680 internal strife and it's so important to remember that um the only way out is through and that poog

00:22:53.780 as we're doing this i'm like poog's everything and if i and like i'm like the gratitude i feel

00:22:58.680 no right well you always you know you clench onto the thing and decide that it will save you you

00:23:04.980 know what i mean like when you're when you're floating you're like oh god oh god okay thank

00:23:08.860 god you're like poop is everything and yeah that really is my addiction is locating a savior but

00:23:15.420 anyway sorry i got us off with 5g but but uh and i oh but cordless things knocking over you were

00:23:20.480 talking about humidifiers humidifiers yes well yeah but bottles knocking over is a major issue

00:23:26.040 and and and i have worked at different points in my life to address this through magnets okay

00:23:32.080 through through okay i'm very solutions oriented as we know and um oh by the way by the way by the

00:23:39.560 way well i i don't see yeah it's it's it's i think it's a meaningful digression i overheard

00:23:44.300 from my merch salesman that um there were a couple snide comments from boog listeners

00:23:48.060 at the show going this is the merch cart or whatever and i was like i explicitly told

00:23:55.620 everybody it's in process but then apparently there were some positive ones so no i have gone

00:24:00.540 through periods where i decide it's add thing specifically like in the moment okay everything's

00:24:06.640 knocking over this is hell how could i solve this well add a magnet okay well actually i got to do

00:24:10.880 it with every single one of my products we're going magnet we're going full magnet everything

00:24:15.020 every single product gets a magnet on its back okay

00:24:17.900 and then yeah bottles knocking over well you know a big a big a classic is the shower right and and

00:24:28.940 you know yeah are your bottles on a ledge oh you have a true something falls when something like

00:24:33.800 when a shampoo bottle falls full force from the top shelf to the ground you almost have the urge

00:24:38.180 to get out of the shower go i'm okay and tell everyone and tell the neighbors because it's like

00:24:41.540 how could that not have been a lethal fall a gunshot like someone's been injured seriously

00:24:46.140 no actually just a pantene bottle fell no it was panty and ruined the day and chris is screaming up

00:24:52.420 are you okay it's like it's like it does have it are you okay screaming yeah well you know what you

00:24:58.620 know what how do you feel about bottle wise do you prefer you know the the upside down

00:25:04.520 conditioner bottle i mean we've all i mean what a nerd oh look at us we flipped it just a little

00:25:13.520 bit yeah yeah what if we and then some brands have chosen to do both their shampoo and their

00:25:20.100 conditioner in that form oh no i figured it out i know why conditioner is thicker it must be harder

00:25:25.660 to get it out of the bottle and that's why they flipped that one um but uh uh don't flip it the

00:25:31.900 feeling of this sort of half okay resist the flip wait what i said resist the flip yeah

00:25:39.960 well i mean no i'm just thinking about you know what i've been using what shampoo is in your life

00:25:46.320 right now okay i can't wait i can't wait i love these questions okay the shampoo that's in my 0.63

00:25:50.640 life right now oh god damn it what's it called i got it at target but i also have had it elsewhere 0.69

00:25:55.600 it's like um it's like a clarifying black soap i think it's called like black african soap do 0.97

00:26:02.740 you know i'm talking about it's like yeah i don't know like what the ewg would have to say about it

00:26:07.840 i don't know if it's right a clean product technically but it's a clarifying shampoo

00:26:11.720 wait so right i'm experiencing one of my greatest joys okay which is using the products that are in

00:26:18.760 someone else's shower when you're staying at someone else's home oh my god absolutely erotic

00:26:23.660 better than sex absolute thrill yeah okay i mean if it's a product you've never tried before

00:26:30.200 oh my god but are curious about are you kidding can you imagine oh my god and you go for it and

00:26:35.640 you're sort of like yeah i'm gonna try this what do you feel about um well it feels a little naughty

00:26:41.100 doesn't it sneaking a little off the top of someone else's shampoo yes and and it's like

00:26:45.960 you know it's something you can replace so the moment i decide that for example there is johnson

00:26:49.780 and johnson here so that's what i've been using and the comforting smell of johnson and johnson

00:26:53.640 and then and then some garnier fructis wow garnier fructis that's what i was into when i was in the

00:26:58.660 ninth grade when i was like right wow garnier fructis is really very strong sense yeah do you

00:27:04.860 remember the fact that herbal essences like orgasm like ad was a cultural moment it was you're right

00:27:11.480 it was like the first time female pleasure was depicted on the on the silver on the screen i

00:27:15.600 mean it was like talked about like absolutely it was it was can you imagine who pitched that right

00:27:20.080 which peggy olsen pitched that right and where they laughed out of the room and then brought

00:27:23.940 you know but yeah something about well you know what it is it's the ultimate comfort to steal

00:27:30.320 okay because when you're in someone else's shower arguably like you're a guest in their home they're

00:27:35.120 not coming in okay it's like it's like there's a joy to the specific privacy of being oh my god

00:27:41.540 if you're staying at someone's house okay your only reprieve is the shower okay because and the

00:27:47.640 shower becomes the time that you life your only reprieve but yeah yes yes but it's it's like also

00:27:53.840 like because i feel like taking a shower at someone's house if you're a guest is also your

00:27:57.780 opportunity to really use the toilet without feeling like the length the duration of time 0.77

00:28:02.420 is being judged no that's where you're jerking off that's where that's where everything that's 0.52

00:28:06.420 where they think they go she's taking okay she takes the worst they can think of you is that 1.00

00:28:10.000 she takes a long shower okay literally they know you've shit you've come 1.00

00:28:13.180 you've done it all 0.99

00:28:17.340 and then and then so you you can steal knowing you're safe okay because they're not coming in

00:28:25.120 so you when you're taking their shampoo it's the most it's it's the most candy from a baby

00:28:31.400 theft there is in this world and it's like and like sometimes it's not even do you ever get

00:28:36.960 scared they'll smell it on your hair well if it's a high-end well i don't here's the question

00:28:41.400 i don't know you wouldn't you wouldn't steal philip lamb or is that clothes i'm talking about

00:28:46.960 actually oh yeah i do know you mean here to me is the most stealing body wash a high-end body wash

00:28:53.380 that to me is the most um the most high ticket item to steal right because do you remember when

00:29:00.220 they launched rain bath i it was it was explosive it was a neutrogena shower gel okay and it just

00:29:07.160 rain bath and it was like what it was like what even is that because like shower gels were barely

00:29:12.220 on the scene okay yeah i mean do you remember like some people didn't even do you remember when

00:29:16.900 shower gel was used as a reference in television shows as something like fancy no her and her

00:29:22.340 shower gels i'm pretty or body wash people are like oh don't let me uh uh get in the way of you

00:29:30.800 and your body wash what i love is that no i've never seen this reference but i would love to

00:29:36.100 i could be imagining it but i i do feel like i remember like this kind of wait i'm frozen for

00:29:41.960 you right this is purely audio experience that's great so i'll just close my eyes and make sure

00:29:46.580 that i'm delivering just purely yeah just take us away yeah so let me just think of the best thing

00:29:50.920 i've ever oh what about what about grabbing this is huge for me huge grabbing a few dusty grapes

00:29:57.980 from an open bowl or basket in someone's fridge so you're gonna say and then taking them in the

00:30:03.500 shower well i am huge on on taking food and drinks into the shower god bless you i am big on that as

00:30:10.020 i think you know stealing grapes just the feeling because here's what it is you know that dust look

00:30:15.360 that they get yeah you know when a grape isn't freshly washed so like i feel like it's like oh

00:30:20.540 I'm just going to grab a couple of grapes from this bowl.

00:30:22.900 I don't have to take it out.

00:30:24.220 I don't have to tell anyone I'm taking food.

00:30:26.560 Actually, I want to talk about this for a while.

00:30:27.760 I want to talk about eating at other people's homes.

00:30:29.500 Oh, my God.

00:30:30.040 So scary.

00:30:30.880 Off to break.

00:30:34.560 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:30:38.420 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:30:43.920 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:30:47.660 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:30:48.840 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:30:52.640 No, I am not your guru.

00:30:56.400 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:30:59.020 I lied to police.

00:31:00.300 I lied to everybody.

00:31:01.320 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:31:04.260 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:31:06.940 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:31:09.760 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:31:13.100 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:31:16.020 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:31:17.420 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:31:20.620 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:31:23.640 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:31:24.960 This is The Red Weather.

00:31:27.940 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:31:41.000 Pug Humidifier.

00:31:42.680 Pug launches a humidifier.

00:31:44.440 That's all I'm saying.

00:31:45.640 Oh my God.

00:31:46.280 And we're back.

00:31:47.180 and we're back we launch a humidifier actually don't put that out i don't want them to know the 0.99

00:31:51.340 people are gonna race ac it should be you ac why isn't it like ac you set the goddamn temperature 0.61

00:31:57.300 in the room and you set the humidity it's interesting because well you can't pump in 0.94

00:32:01.060 some humidity the vents can't tolerate it i don't have the time to get into it case of the bbcc cream

00:32:06.740 versus the individual products oh no you know you separate it out to get the best okay no no the

00:32:13.460 moment they try to combine into one it gets sloppy it gets sloppy isn't it just so hard just to do a

00:32:19.960 radical pivot just existential that just we only can change an ac for example by the way i didn't

00:32:26.440 want to go i just i just was like there are no answers i don't know keep going no i was i i did

00:32:31.280 want to talk about eating like oh yeah eating from someone else's fridge and and it always just

00:32:36.280 tastes worse people do you know i'm saying stealing from the shower the products are better food out

00:32:41.260 someone else's fridge for me always tastes worse well you do you remember the smell like someone

00:32:45.820 else's apple oh no well i have like a big i have a big thing about like this in the context of

00:32:54.660 eating out with people yeah how like if a talk like let's say we're both getting the same exact

00:32:59.820 tacos and like one's placed down in front of them and one's placed down in front of me

00:33:02.680 for some reason like if theirs was to be handed over for me to eat like even if they barely

00:33:08.200 touched it it's like it tastes like their taco yeah yeah oh absolutely no no there's no pleasure

00:33:13.920 in that their consciousness has it's literally a death sentence do you want a bite no unless it's

00:33:18.960 yeah i also don't i hate a bite because no of course if i like it then i'm angry that i'm not

00:33:24.240 eating it so it needs to be a best friend a lover or an immediate family member that you enjoy

00:33:29.160 because it can't anyone else and it's um and then you have to go you want someone mine you both

00:33:35.500 don't want to take the bite off the other it's disgusting the thing though no if i want it you

00:33:39.320 know oh yeah i'll take a bite and then you're forced to give it back yeah you're forced to

00:33:43.540 offer back i'm i never offer i never offer then you have to you have to do a huge performance

00:33:47.580 of how good it is you have to do a huge performance to commit to that oh now i'm jealous or you have

00:33:53.320 to do like oh now i'm jealous yeah um wait but i was thinking about the other people's fridge i

00:33:59.920 think part of the reason that food out of other people's fridge you kind of bite into hesitantly

00:34:04.920 and maybe even kind of imbue with a taste is because someone else's fridge your own fridge

00:34:11.860 it's your own you know you know habitat you know your own filth right you know how long the milk's

00:34:17.640 been sitting there yeah you know exactly it's like it's like a petri dish you know this other

00:34:21.960 way what that apple's been through you know it's like it's like but like do you remember this

00:34:29.680 smell of another fridge what do you remember this this smell i wonder if this is

00:34:34.700 ever present like was it ever once present in your life so when you went to school as a child

00:34:41.120 did people bring lunch yeah so i was always hot lunch it's a huge part of my identity

00:34:45.840 i like a hot meal is that so wrong to get through the day i bought lunch i think i've talked about

00:34:51.940 my extravagant lunches on poog my mother would give me at times two thermoses one with hot

00:34:55.880 chocolate one with soup all right we've talked about soup because i always got uh the hot soup

00:35:00.700 and you know they said you know i loved it i got soup doritos and um and an orange juice as my boom

00:35:06.540 i want kids that's all i'm sorry just as usual thinking about you with your little thermos

00:35:10.300 where's my daughter what what am i doing because i bought it it was in a coffee cup that's what

00:35:14.600 they served it in a coffee cup i mean like a paper coffee cup like anyway and that sat in the middle

00:35:19.400 of the plastic tray oh cafeteria yes sorry cafeteria so okay i was always hot lunch which

00:35:24.600 always vaguely felt like because my friends had like were more like um paper bag lunch whatever

00:35:29.300 sack lunch yeah like there was like a wholesomeness to that like i was like you know i was handed a 0.75

00:35:37.580 dollar 25 and sent to school like a whore it's like as good as it gets which i don't know if 0.97

00:35:44.960 you've visited recently or never seen oh i haven't why are you talking about him insulting her dress 0.97

00:35:50.760 oh well that is one of the most devastating moments in uh let you in in a house dress

00:35:55.420 oh uh yeah the polka dot yeah yeah you couldn't even dress up meanwhile she she planned all day

00:36:01.240 night um but the smell there's a very specific smell it doesn't matt it's there's there there's

00:36:07.180 a smell of lunch that has been in a lunchbox sent from home or in a paper bag there's a smell and

00:36:13.780 it's like yes it varies whether it's peanut butter and jelly okay and an orange or whether

00:36:19.180 the smell of the paper specifically no i actually mean the way that food unrefrigerated inside of

00:36:24.660 a nice turkey sandwich a tuna fish sandwich whatever home food is deeply like it's deeply

00:36:32.860 intimate oh my god and i mean and there's like cultural you know elements of course like um

00:36:37.880 yeah david david chang of momofuku like talks about like him having kimchi and people being

00:36:43.000 like your food smells like trash or whatever like just like the wounds of me loving gefilte fish

00:36:48.380 My mother gave me not to compare, but my mother gave me sprouts in a container with a wedge of lemon.

00:36:55.520 Like I like to eat that spread, squeeze the lemon on the container of sprouts.

00:37:00.820 And one time I was enjoying that and a kid went, what are you, a cow?

00:37:03.820 Oh, wow.

00:37:04.480 And I was like, please don't give me sprouts anymore.

00:37:06.640 I'm sure I've mentioned this on on Pug, but I would get the hot soup, including the days they had beef barley and someone and like for whatever reason, like the idea that like a little girl would like beef barley.

00:37:17.340 okay yeah it was treated because it was just like it looked like slop and someone behind me said

00:37:21.620 like oh yeah oh you like you're getting beef barfly and i never um recovered i still ate it

00:37:28.160 because the desire for food does not have such wounds i've told you about how i i don't know if

00:37:33.160 this is on poog because it's maybe the greatest moment of my life um of of genius working out

00:37:38.500 okay like where i had an idea i executed it and it worked okay are you ready are you ready so there

00:37:44.520 was a contest in the cafeteria when I was in, I don't know, second grade and the contest involved,

00:37:50.760 we all had to, you know, it was like a raffle, like whatever you, you all had to fill out a

00:37:55.220 little school is cool card or something. Okay. Drop it in a box, you know, a little piece of

00:38:01.880 paper with your name on it. And then the lunch lady after everyone had done it was going to pull

00:38:05.900 out the winner. This is a simple concept. I don't know why it took me so long to explain it. It was

00:38:09.140 really hard okay but uh anyway so we all throw our names in a piece of paper into a box lunch lady

00:38:15.360 is going to pull it out so here's what i did when i put it into my into the box that was sitting up

00:38:21.480 next to the cafeteria uh whatever when i put it in what i did was i imagined myself the lunch lady

00:38:29.240 okay and i went through backwards so i i imagined her and i i got into the spirit of what she was

00:38:36.120 like okay and how i could picture her sort of she was sort of stuffed there was no way she was 0.92

00:38:41.060 gonna lift it right off the top oh my god okay and i thought the other students were fools who

00:38:45.100 just dropped it right on the top right right no way you know like it's gonna be a shake and she's

00:38:49.400 gonna perform who's the winner rooting around so i remember deciding like that my best bet was like

00:38:55.560 to place my hand in and my ticket in in such a way that i imagine her hand would go in and

00:39:00.040 so i went down and then cocked my wrist okay so it was down and to the side because i didn't think

00:39:05.960 should just go straight down and pull yeah you know what I mean yes so I embodied her sort of

00:39:11.000 backwards like you know like her pulling it out me putting it in and then I lifted my hand out I won

00:39:16.320 oh my god what did you win no clue oh my god yeah beside the point can you believe that is one of

00:39:28.360 that's incredible I'm like so proud of it I am by the way yeah the hunger just set in I'm gonna pass

00:39:33.920 out it's so hot what are you gonna eat i want chicken parmesan i need like dense thick italian

00:39:39.860 food i need chilled red wine i want tiramisu i need it all i want a huge early dinner nothing

00:39:47.220 more freeing than a 6 p.m feast i've been eating a lot of pasta good and the question is and bread

00:39:55.400 and all at once and just oh god the cheese and the the ricotta and the olive oil and this

00:40:01.620 this egg this ovo at this place i really like um actually we shouldn't say that it's a security

00:40:08.180 risk i'm there every night after the show um theta you will bleep that word please

00:40:13.740 and i'm really questioning so you know how so energy has been a question and i'm like i know

00:40:20.620 that carbs you know to the way that i eat them okay deplete me and so i switched to smoothies

00:40:28.660 as you'll recall the vega smoothies right switch but decided to add them to my day at least start

00:40:33.240 the day because remember when i was off coffee because of those smoothies i was like it's time

00:40:37.260 again jarred me yeah yeah shocking i actually felt the desire to move literally the desire to move

00:40:43.440 not just your body oh i'm i need to move and i'm not upset about it yeah you were feeling like

00:40:47.500 whoa let's get some like let's move okay like i was like is this what others feel you know like 0.70

00:40:53.980 Anytime you experience that, the, is this what others feel all the time when you experience something for one second and you go, holy shit, it's always a revelation. But anyway, so, so, so I was doing the smoothies, but then, you know, it was getting to like, my stomach was churning with like diarrhea fears, like moments before the show one night, one night, literally like it's like showtime. They're like places. And I'm like, I can't come down. Like I'm going to have explosive diarrhea and like sent someone running for a modium.

00:41:22.380 no and they came back yeah it's like places okay and then they came back i guzzled the imodium

00:41:27.500 and then i went down and i was like someone who works on the show with me it was like um i think

00:41:33.060 she was like i really think it's like getting your period in the pool you can't you can't bleed in

00:41:37.040 the pool you know that like concept yeah she's like you can't have diarrhea on stage you just

00:41:40.060 won't like your body won't let it happen it's one of those comforting notions but yeah pre-show

00:41:45.060 diarrhea is heavy i have to say that i as we all know i never get diarrhea oh right right again

00:41:50.800 not to brag it's just not my it's not right it's not what my body does and so i never get diarrhea

00:41:55.880 i was doing a show in chicago and i get diarrhea okay i'm at the venue blowing out my cornhole as

00:42:05.040 they say in the north and i'm panicking i'm like and it's so exotic to me that i'm laughing i'm

00:42:11.840 like i have diarrhea this is wild and i told the stage manager it was just like guy this like

00:42:16.500 normal man right and i was like okay so i have raging diarrhea he was like embarrassed for me

00:42:22.900 and i was like i need to have and i was like i need to have a diarrhea understudy and so i texted

00:42:27.920 my friend who's a comedian i was like i'm not kidding i'm about to do a show it's going to be

00:42:31.120 an hour show will you please do my diarrhea understudy if i run off stage like you'll come

00:42:35.520 up so i go on stage hi did that crowds are great and i'm like folks i have diarrhea and i talk

00:42:40.780 about like i have a diarrhea understudy and if i need it she'll be here brilliant of course was

00:42:45.540 fine so because the body says no so i did my full diarrhea warm like intro and then was completely

00:42:53.240 fine the whole time i i was deciding whether or not to tell the crowd because because this one

00:42:57.620 night when i i think it was that night that i took it the feeling didn't go away the entire show

00:43:02.560 so i was sort of sprinting through the show i came off thinking like i'd cut 10 minutes like

00:43:07.280 i was like sprinting through the show and like and actually made had some realizations because

00:43:12.100 I wasn't like like had some oh yeah actually maybe I don't need to pause there you know what I mean 0.64

00:43:17.320 like yeah it was too slow the whole time but it's like diarrhea is fucking terrifying and like oh my 0.59

00:43:23.020 god and you get to the point of the question of like okay well what if it did like just fly out 0.64

00:43:27.960 of my well I have I paused to blow my nose as you know things like that I mean I don't know so I

00:43:35.080 just I said to myself and I did this last run too you know if it really came to that I will just say

00:43:40.780 the audience you know usually this isn't an intermission show we're having one

00:43:45.180 10 i hope you know but but anyway yeah i got i got you know i'm like brodo begging for free

00:43:52.060 brodo i'm off brodo because the combo of my quad iced americanos plus extremely salty broth before

00:43:58.420 the show plus a smoothie what am i doing i started eating bananas you know as much sugar as a coke

00:44:05.160 of course don't say that banana before i go on stage to slow it down don't slow it down don't

00:44:11.700 go there with the sugar content in bananas i know it's been a hard year it's so rude unripened

00:44:17.620 bananas have less and they have more prebiotics but anyway oh my god there's okay i i'm furious

00:44:23.740 there's a company there's a company okay that i was advertised on instagram earlier today

00:44:29.220 some kind of just come to your house and take your bananas away

00:44:32.520 they're like it's medical grade you know they're like it contains and the word i don't know i've

00:44:41.580 never seen okay and i've seen some like you know i've seen some words okay in the realm of

00:44:46.440 probiotics you're not gonna shock me with you know lactobacillus or whatever in their bacillus

00:44:52.060 that so get me off air it's like the whole thing is like it's for like treating type 2 diabetes

00:44:59.140 And I'm like, well, you placed it in my feed and it lowers a one C or whatever and all this kind of stuff.

00:45:04.320 And I'm just like, can I get let me know if I can get this as someone without who just wants to monitor or who wants to, like, improve their they like wouldn't make the claims.

00:45:15.280 I was like, sell me the weight loss.

00:45:17.500 Give me the you know what I'm saying?

00:45:19.360 Like, no, I don't keeping it.

00:45:21.060 Like, I felt like I wasn't sure if I needed a prescription for it, but they're still advertising it to me.

00:45:25.020 like or like that is it unsafe like is how serious is this like i was i'm dying to order

00:45:31.060 i was digging around in faqs yeah looking for someone going do i have to have type 2 diabetes

00:45:37.480 to use this right that's the question and it could not be answered and so no purchase from me

00:45:43.200 instagram medicine is terrifying there's a lot there's a lot okay this was great i really needed

00:45:48.960 this today i'm so glad not to again i'm trying to but really needed it and i love you oh i love you

00:45:55.360 it's so nice to see you and everyone needs to get on the interstellar okay we're gonna do the

00:46:00.780 interstellar we're gonna do interstellar group watch oh my god maybe it will be the season finale

00:46:05.100 if there is a season finale bye that was poog if you enjoyed poog please subscribe rate and review

00:46:13.940 if not we will press charges

00:46:18.960 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:46:25.640 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:46:29.560 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:46:33.380 No, I am not your guru.

00:46:37.040 Back then, I lied to everybody.

00:46:39.340 They have had this case for 30 years.

00:46:41.920 I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

00:46:44.960 Listen to The Red Weather

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