Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Sensations

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00:01:34.840 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.300 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

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00:01:49.300 Today's topic, loosely speaking, carry-on, cord cutting, sensations log.

00:01:55.300 Hello. Hello, hello. Look at us. I'm sorry. I feel like it's not interesting to the listener

00:02:02.060 that I'm always drawn to when we're recording at strange hours, but I think it's a really

00:02:06.780 interesting time to be recording too. Because have we ever? Never. Clocked in at five ever

00:02:11.480 in the history. Clocked in at five. And actually I'm energized. And you want to know why? Why?

00:02:16.540 I did an afternoon meditation. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? What app? Muse S. Now this is

00:02:24.340 the headband and i in order to get you involved begged for them to be sent to both of us and that

00:02:29.320 happened i have yet to strap it on to strap it on i know you're not impressed by the gamification

00:02:35.020 okay of meditation however biofeedback neurofeedback etc i watched an exceptional

00:02:40.920 video from dr joe dispenza this morning he's one of my one of my favorites you texted me you were

00:02:46.260 like i want to talk joe dispenza and i was like i have no idea who that is yes i was making a note

00:02:53.020 because well no because i i i as you know i was meditating through the calm app my life had

00:02:58.460 changed i was like yes this is it and then of course stopped and then today was like i'm going

00:03:03.020 to do it i was like kate 10 minutes either do this or check your phone and then i ended up

00:03:07.460 checking my phone and then got into a spiral of hell but it's fine i pulled out and i will

00:03:12.520 maybe i'll do a meditation i won't i'm not gonna meditate today no i i um i always have to be

00:03:18.080 re-seduced you know and then i i sort of the moment that meditation becomes this thing that

00:03:22.720 i feel i have to do you know where i make it an outside authority over myself then i start to

00:03:27.120 resist i always do resold and i was resold watching this joe dispensa video about oh kate it's just

00:03:32.860 we have this send it on through i'll send it on through there's like there's there's a lot to say

00:03:38.480 with him and i and again i get overwhelmed i get overwhelmed me one thing all right let me try to

00:03:43.160 think about one thing. Okay. How about this? You're ready? The brain. Okay. The thoughts are,

00:03:48.540 have an electrical charge. The heart and feelings have a magnetic charge. Okay. It's literally

00:03:54.820 sending out waves and people have nine foot, nine, nine meter energy fields in their heart sink.

00:04:00.460 Okay. So we have to work our hearts and our minds. Okay. And we have to do it via meditation.

00:04:06.980 We have to become pure awareness. I mean, you know, this is prayer. Okay. I fully,

00:04:11.660 sought God this year. Okay, absolutely. And here, I'll give you a better one. I panicked when you

00:04:17.360 said, like, give me one thing from Dispensa. Okay, let me give you this. Okay, no, no, let me give

00:04:20.700 you a better one. Okay. You can't, well, no. Okay. I was gonna say, I was gonna be like,

00:04:25.080 you can't fight matter with matter. Okay. But it's more like you can't solve a matter problem

00:04:30.280 with matter. Okay. You want to go into the field. Okay. You want to go into the non-physical,

00:04:35.220 the non-physical plane. Okay. We want to be in the particle. I've lost my mind. I've lost my

00:04:40.680 mind i'm failing us there's a good explanation of quantum physics no no we want to be more

00:04:44.100 wave than particle we want to be in the field the field of possibility which can which we can access

00:04:48.960 through the present moment if if we're meditating if we let go and become nobody versus somebody

00:04:53.380 etc etc etc etc etc i just saw i just was racing home and i saw a license plate that said and

00:04:59.700 there's a bumper sticker that said honk if you don't exist no and i was like that's actually

00:05:03.660 the best that's the best bumper i've never coveted a bumper sticker and we attempted to

00:05:09.460 honk but you're attempted to honk did you get did you get a glimpse at least considered it did you

00:05:14.960 get a glimpse yeah it was like this old guy who looked he was like an old hippie guy probably from

00:05:20.460 Topanga who came over to the east side but um I was gonna say quickly when you were talking about

00:05:25.000 that just that I had texted you about speed I had heard a woman once tell me about a cord cutter

00:05:31.140 somebody who cuts cords which is like what we did in an yes in an old episode but psychic warfare 0.86

00:05:36.580 she'll be like oh yeah and she was told that an ex-boyfriend's mother had been clinging to her

00:05:42.060 there was still the cord isn't that wow and you know the mother doesn't even know the ex-mother

00:05:45.820 in law doesn't even know totally and so the woman was like may i cut the cord i love that

00:05:49.780 they always ask for permission yeah she was like may i cut the cord yeah my question is i would

00:05:54.460 almost fear that if someone was like oh here are the cords i have would i be too scared to cut them

00:05:59.140 lest i return to a crumpled state on the floor like imagine i'm a marionette yes and all the

00:06:04.220 cords are holding me up right even though some of them are toxic and then if that cord drops

00:06:09.200 what do i relinquish this is a perfect metaphor okay this is an absolute perfect metaphor because

00:06:14.780 yeah i mean it's like it's the question of so many of our bad habits right you're like are

00:06:18.460 these the strings on these are the strings upon which i have danced

00:06:21.700 right and so will i merely crumple without yeah just into like a static into static flesh they

00:06:30.180 say that with the cords because sometimes like like some of these energy healers that i've

00:06:34.440 watched videos of and stuff like that and they're removing cords would you say younger g healer oh

00:06:39.020 energy healers oh my god i said g healers and i was and i okay cut that g healers and they're like

00:06:46.640 they're like don't worry it doesn't harm the person you know whatever right and you send it

00:06:50.340 back no but even them they're worried about the others okay they won't know you know it's whatever

00:06:55.240 the cord is more of a negative kind of energy drain okay or maybe it's not that i guess it's

00:07:01.400 it's something like the point is it's not destroying your connection with your mother

00:07:06.400 for example to remove the cord or whatever okay right right so it's like it's very much like

00:07:11.860 you're sending back everyone their energy we we form natural cords what's wrong what's happened

00:07:18.760 nothing I said oh oh oh it was with a downward glance so as usual I assumed to be honest this

00:07:26.920 is not for the podcast but I just was writing down chord to write down keywords for us to

00:07:30.220 remember yeah okay so you glanced down for a reason okay that's that's fine I write down

00:07:33.880 to write chords so that we could remember for the for the keywords no of course okay I stand

00:07:37.820 by the keywords absolutely a couple things on my mind foot doctor face gym visit oh yeah I want

00:07:42.240 to tell you about my face gym visit oh yeah yeah for sure okay we have a lot okay we've both seen

00:07:47.000 practitioners today no no cutting the cords so i like that it doesn't it doesn't uh deplete them

00:07:52.680 it's in the it's they're siphoning energy generally okay the cords these those strings

00:07:57.840 so what'll actually happen is instead of the strings being cut okay and you falling to the

00:08:04.480 floor instead the strings are reabsorbed into your own body yeah as energy yeah and now you're

00:08:10.200 dancing stringless yeah exactly no i love that i want to dance stringless in the night um that

00:08:15.100 sounds really good i don't want to forget to bring up carrying on versus checked luggage because

00:08:20.340 i'm actually flying tomorrow oh i thought this was a new model for emotional baggage

00:08:25.220 okay because carrying on is in like good carrying on versus check you could write

00:08:30.680 there i can't i'm actually stunned there isn't a whole book about that there's some baggage i

00:08:36.060 think books but carrying on is interesting well i always carry on as a metaphor i always carry oh

00:08:42.800 well i do not acknowledge cargo hold what do you mean no i mean i'm i'm agreeing i'm over agreeing

00:08:49.120 i'm saying i don't even acknowledge the existence of the cargo i am proud to say i once spent 21

00:08:54.980 days in europe with a carry-on and i was performing okay i had show clothes in there

00:08:59.040 i had heavy boots all right now why you don't trust it no just carrying on something about

00:09:04.500 you know it just feels it makes you also the main reason is that if i have the luxury of a huge bag

00:09:09.880 i'm gonna overfill i'm gonna over stuff i'm gonna take too many i'm gonna take too much yes

00:09:13.760 and uh and my favorite other anecdote with the carry-on 21 days in europe is there was a shirt

00:09:18.360 i didn't wear oh wow okay well is that the truth that's all you have to know i also want to talk

00:09:24.940 about how maybe this is not interesting at all but i bet it is i bought a tank top isn't it okay

00:09:30.440 what's the phenomenon when something wasn't in your life it suddenly enters your life and then

00:09:34.460 you can't live without it even though if you only had it for a day like i bought this tank top

00:09:38.720 and i love it so much okay do you want more or is it like you want to wear it every day well that's

00:09:45.400 for sure i want more i'm already like i need more now you want it to be your uniform i didn't wash

00:09:50.320 it in time to pack tomorrow morning and i'm so devastated i'm like the trip's ruined it's like

00:09:54.640 two days ago that tank top wasn't even in my world well it reminds me of this thing my friend said

00:09:59.200 about the tyranny of taste or whatever like like people you know are fine eating whatever cheese

00:10:03.860 and then they have the fine cheese and then like they can never go back yeah and like how quick it

00:10:07.980 can happen too like i mean it's like it's like once we stayed in this rented house of a friend's

00:10:13.860 that was a beachfront property with like full ocean views like like one of the windows like

00:10:19.480 when i'd wake up in my bed like you look out the window and all you saw was ocean and sky like just

00:10:23.860 you can never come back from that and so we were like we were like we're like freeloading like you

00:10:28.960 know what i mean like we're there on a friend's rental and we're going home basically acting like

00:10:33.260 you know, like anything but beachfront is unacceptable to us. And I do think that's

00:10:38.300 fair. I think you're allowed to like you're allowed to say like, you know, meat I eat is

00:10:43.060 blah, blah, blah. Even if you I don't mean lie. I mean, you're allowed to hold standards in your

00:10:47.840 heart that you don't that you can't afford. Right. I guess this is something else. This

00:10:51.360 is like the sudden introduction of something that wasn't there before. And then suddenly,

00:10:57.800 I mean, clearly the tank top is standing in for something greater. Well, let's see what it is.

00:11:01.800 why do you like the tank top? Tell me about it. Perfect. So it's perfection. It's like I'm

00:11:07.820 picturing a texture. What is it? It's cotton. It's it was eighteen dollars. You know, it's just

00:11:11.740 like what kind of cotton? Like, is it combed? I don't know. You know, this to me is a mark of

00:11:16.780 adulthood. And like being a woman, like being a real woman who's like, oh, it's 70 percent

00:11:20.860 polyester. Like, I don't know what fabrics are or what they mean. Like, I look at a label and 0.62

00:11:25.380 pretend to understand. Yeah. You know, like someone being like, oh, well, it's rayon. I'm

00:11:28.680 like right i was just about to bring up rayon yeah and i'm like i know that's bad but i don't

00:11:33.200 think i know what rayon is but do i really well you're gonna use lose your mind i mean laundry

00:11:36.780 is laundry is the fact that we even not the fact that we have to do it first of all but

00:11:42.100 the washing of the clothes the washing of the sheets the washing of the towels it is just

00:11:46.820 no it's so overwhelming it's not built into my life every single time that i change my sheets

00:11:52.420 it's like because i'm having a breakdown like you know what i mean you know what's sad what

00:11:56.980 the clean sheets really make a difference well that's the second half of the breakdown is as

00:12:01.600 you're experiencing joy that night you go why why don't i do it every exactly that is the second half

00:12:07.060 like david sedaris for example in his recent article in the new yorker i think he said something

00:12:11.880 like like they put fresh sheets on their bed him and hugh like every like two days or something

00:12:18.120 because like it makes it feel like a hotel and it's like really nice the amount of forethought

00:12:23.220 that that would require oh every two days i mean i was texting with someone early pandemic who said

00:12:29.760 i think they say what do they say yeah i was like about sheets and i mentioned something about

00:12:34.520 i just remember she said something like well every four days four yeah see i thought or she

00:12:40.660 said maybe she was like twice a week have to or something it was something so startling where i

00:12:47.600 feel like the standard is like you know and i mean standard like acceptable whatever i don't know

00:12:53.620 like what like if you asked your mother would she have an answer like would she be like weekly

00:12:57.740 it's absolutely on sundays once a week at least yeah god it's such a specific feeling it's such 0.62

00:13:05.340 a goddamn specific feeling two weeks sneak up on you two weeks well two weeks is because it 0.97

00:13:10.580 sounds endless sheets and then there you are i mean every two weeks i feel like that's disgusting 0.99

00:13:15.200 to some people. But to me, I'm like every two weeks. No, I know. And I feel like shame and

00:13:19.780 I'm afraid of luxury. I feel the same. And I'm afraid of our listeners. I'm like, I'm like

00:13:26.040 clamming up around like I'm just like I'm being like, so what is normal? I can see you. I can

00:13:31.400 see you diminishing. Yeah. I'm panicking because I'm like, I have a friend that recently was like

00:13:37.260 four months yeah she really I really I really really appreciate when people get like get clear

00:13:45.080 about like stuff like that yeah because it's like I don't know I mean maybe it's time for one of

00:13:50.320 those anonymous surveys about sheet cleaning you know like they did with like sex in the 1950s or

00:13:55.200 whatever we could do with one of those we could do with one of those for the sheets um wait but

00:13:59.580 cleanliness sheets what how did we get here okay I want to say one thing though which is actually

00:14:04.320 a beauty related item which is something i did that i think did change my skin or at least help

00:14:09.100 me with not breaking out you don't get breakouts but i do i probably do but i just don't notice

00:14:14.360 them no but you don't i've literally never i've never seen it is it on your face okay but i got

00:14:20.620 a big amount of cheap face towels so that i never use the same one more than twice excuse me

00:14:28.100 okay i was just thinking the other day as i noticed a brown mark on on my hand and face

00:14:36.520 towel the single wet hand and face towel that me and my lover use for all manner of things

00:14:44.120 and that's what i same towel for my face and as your hands as also your boyfriend well the hand

00:14:50.160 towel in the bathroom is like what i in a quick pinch you know or i'll or i'll or i'll um it'll

00:14:56.800 be wet and it'll run to my my bath towel yeah which hangs on a tension rod in a door frame as

00:15:03.920 you know that's my my trick right no but wait i want to know so so is it a pile of washcloths

00:15:09.660 kind of thing yeah what's the fiber like i mean i know you don't know the fabric of course some

00:15:13.820 kind of cotton right but they i got the cheapest ones and i blot never rub blot the face well i

00:15:21.960 have a yeah and i would say two days maybe sometimes i use the same one three days in a

00:15:26.980 row but rarely well you know what i did that i think is related i installed a paper towel holder

00:15:35.920 in my bathroom i noticed that when i was at your house okay i can't believe we didn't discuss it

00:15:41.980 i know i think it's the hack of the century okay is that for your hair if i'm gonna do i'm not

00:15:48.320 treating my curls that well during you know quarantine whatever the waste element it's

00:15:52.700 almost like we have to strike it from the podcast because it's like it's so i mean we're not actually

00:15:57.120 going to strike it no but i'm not tearing one off for i'm not tearing one off for it's what

00:16:02.340 it's actually for what i put it in there for is like you know how you just in the bathroom you

00:16:07.280 see something like gross and you'd like it to be gone right so i feel like normally it's either

00:16:12.100 like oh okay let's clean the whole bathroom right or it's like i take some toilet paper and feebly

00:16:18.020 try to grab it right now that i have paper towels in there and hang the viva ones on there which are

00:16:22.900 like reusables basically you know what i'll use it for i'll sort of wipe down the the tub before

00:16:28.320 getting in to take a bath because i'm not fully scrubbing my tub before getting into a bath the

00:16:33.820 decadence of a paper towel that that is really it doesn't even mean you're using them constantly

00:16:39.440 it's just that they're there you know what i mean and and i've drilled them boldly into the rentals 0.94

00:16:46.200 cheap medicine cabinet oh have i not freed have i not freed the poog audience with an apartment

00:16:51.980 therapy classic concept so everyone's afraid in rentals we're good i'm on it we're two minutes 0.67

00:16:58.420 we're gonna have to wrap up in two minutes um uh everyone's afraid to modify the rental yes

00:17:05.740 maybe i have freed them oh no i well i'm sure i freed you but but i but i got it from apartment

00:17:10.080 therapy it was it was like someone's like when i let go of worrying about the secure the security

00:17:14.740 deposit or whatever that is you're finally free yes okay and they're like i'm living in this place

00:17:19.880 for 10 years you know let's just say it's two thousand dollars or something right right am i

00:17:25.640 willing to spend two thousand dollars essentially like am i willing to risk that and live an

00:17:31.640 incredible life where i hammer things into the wall and build shelves and paint and make

00:17:37.760 improvements i feel wild yeah i i desire that deeply like actually yesterday i was looking at

00:17:43.220 the front of my house and I was like if I had grown a little hedge here five years ago when I

00:17:48.480 moved in right if I'd started I would have I mean that would significantly affect my my life my

00:17:53.160 lived experience oh because you feel in your rental that are you not supposed to plant anything well

00:17:57.800 I was like I'm not gonna I don't know what they would say but I'm also like I'm not gonna invest

00:18:01.300 in this I rent this place like am I really gonna right pour money into it but I also just right

00:18:08.680 I don't know how much that sort of thing would cost.

00:18:12.220 I mean, a hedge.

00:18:13.460 I'm like $3,000.

00:18:15.520 I don't know what those things cost.

00:18:18.200 No, a hedge could be a, you know, you get a good hedge.

00:18:22.300 And actually, I'm sorry, but this is the big thing I've wanted to discuss on Poog.

00:18:25.760 Maybe we will after the break.

00:18:27.920 But I want to talk about plants a little bit because they've come into my life.

00:18:31.500 Okay, but you could get a little bougainvillea.

00:18:34.460 That's how I say it.

00:18:35.300 I will not be accepting corrections.

00:18:36.780 and that thing will grow like wildfire.

00:18:41.420 Well, I have that in the back.

00:18:43.140 And you can, oh yeah, oh yeah, I guess I knew that.

00:18:45.740 But we'll get into that.

00:18:46.920 But yeah, there's a lot to discuss today, I'll admit it.

00:18:49.380 I know, we're overwhelmed.

00:18:50.760 But I do think this is strong.

00:18:52.620 No, we're fine.

00:18:53.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:53.760 All right, so we are going to go to break now.

00:18:55.780 A self-regulated break.

00:18:57.440 That's right, self-regulated.

00:18:58.560 Okay, it's called the ads.

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00:19:01.380 Eat it up.

00:19:01.800 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:19:09.380 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:19:14.560 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:19:18.560 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:19:19.900 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:19:23.520 So no, I am not your guru.

00:19:27.300 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:19:29.920 I lied to police.

00:19:30.860 I lied to everybody.

00:19:32.180 There were years, writer, where I could not say your name.

00:19:34.960 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:19:37.860 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:19:40.660 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:19:44.040 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:19:46.940 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:19:48.600 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:19:51.540 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

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00:20:32.320 podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts i also just wanted to say quickly because i i threw it

00:20:42.760 out there then never returned yes check bag versus carry on i'm i've boldly given myself

00:20:47.620 permission to check a bag okay because i'm gone it's only eight nights do you think i'm crazy

00:20:51.740 listen to me help me yeah give it it's eight nights new york okay i want to take my hair dryer

00:20:55.900 it's four feet tall it's it's it's hell who makes it i want a new one now i want a free dyson now

00:21:01.660 i know you do deva curl i've actually deva curl however the hell you say it i've never been clear

00:21:06.660 because it's confusing spelling it is confusing it's like if it's diva just spell it diva then

00:21:11.480 it's d-e-v-a i've been using the gel for 14 000 years there's of course multiple class action

00:21:18.280 lawsuits against them because of the hair falling out i've just kind of crossed my fingers and keep

00:21:22.720 buying it but i think it's time for me to invest in a new hair dryer because i've had this one for

00:21:27.140 i would say truly conservatively i would say 10 years and it's the oh right it's and something's

00:21:32.880 rattling around in there well you know it's it's funny the the diva curl sometimes it smells like

00:21:36.860 has a big hand wait what's that smells like fire or it smells like something's burning oh yeah that

00:21:44.500 that's probably just a filter though okay you know you're supposed to empty that are you absolutely

00:21:48.660 kidding me i mean i think dust collects in the little filter in the back i mean it's been 10

00:21:52.960 years right i i mean but i think you kind of see it i i could be imagining this but i feel like

00:21:58.340 it might be a filter i'm actually gonna throw up i feel like if i go pop it off there's gonna be

00:22:02.620 like a little family living in there no no no no it's nothing disgusting like that no families

00:22:06.680 okay like it's just dust or like i guess maybe hair there's something like living it's not like 0.76

00:22:11.960 that you don't have to be afraid because i don't like life okay yeah i'm just disgusted by you

00:22:16.560 know that sort of thing so no but but the thing that always was weird to me with the diva curl

00:22:20.380 was their whole thing is don't comb the hair don't comb the hair okay i went through a major

00:22:25.080 diva curl in the shower right it's in the shower but then their their diffuser itself is kind of

00:22:31.280 a five finger mechanism it suggests combing you know i'm talking about the diffuser on the end

00:22:35.960 almost suggests a a hand raking through like why isn't it just a bowl i know i might return to the

00:22:41.580 because the bowl i think you traditionally give me more volume god it's yeah i think the bowl just

00:22:46.460 just searing the head um nice and tight god it feels good god if the bowl feels great you have

00:22:53.100 the dyson though i do i am i sprung for the dyson at some point i wonder how i have to beg them how

00:22:59.740 i went for it yeah i i do want to try one of their other styling products like i think i reached out

00:23:04.400 actually and then never got back to us interesting but i okay well we'll we'll look into that um

00:23:11.140 Just tell me if you think, do I force myself to carry on like the olden days or do I just do a check?

00:23:19.240 Also, what if I go shopping?

00:23:20.560 You know, what if I buy a shirt, a jacket, a skirt?

00:23:22.820 Well, there's something kind of glamorous about just checking the bag going, I'll see you in a few hours.

00:23:27.080 Totally, Kate.

00:23:27.980 I mean, look, I stopped checking because I was like, oh, I can go straight to the gate.

00:23:32.340 OK, I know that's the thing.

00:23:33.580 And it's kind of exciting.

00:23:35.160 But it's also kind of nice to unload it and go, here's this heavy thing.

00:23:40.040 Pass it on to you.

00:23:40.980 get it out of here and get it out you could do that thing where you bring it and then they gate

00:23:45.660 check it or something what is that no but that's strategy that's if you have i've done that with

00:23:50.740 uh with a true we have to have a true carry-on to gate check it oh oh i got it now you're thinking

00:23:56.240 you it's if you arrive with your if you arrive with your right you're thinking one purse and a 0.90

00:24:01.680 big suitcase fuck that that's hell oh my god okay great you freed me no right with the carry-on i 0.98

00:24:07.000 I was picturing my small little suitcase. 1.00

00:24:08.820 As your carry-on.

00:24:09.900 Yeah.

00:24:10.340 In addition to a big one?

00:24:11.760 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

00:24:14.000 My whole life, this is how I travel.

00:24:15.880 I have my over-the-shoulder bag, right?

00:24:17.720 It's filled with hell.

00:24:19.500 Yes.

00:24:19.900 And then, actually, you know what?

00:24:21.260 I'm going to stop talking about my objects like that.

00:24:23.180 Yeah.

00:24:23.460 It's filled with my iPad with my lotions.

00:24:26.140 And so I have my over-the-shoulder bag.

00:24:28.700 And then in addition to that, I have my Rolly suitcase.

00:24:31.720 I want to know about your Rolly suitcase.

00:24:33.400 Okay.

00:24:33.620 I bought it on University Street when I was...

00:24:36.740 22.

00:24:37.280 And it's still working for you?

00:24:38.200 And it's still working.

00:24:39.060 Wow.

00:24:39.380 And I remember because it was actually, I remember buying it because it was $250.

00:24:43.340 And I remember being like, Jesus Christ.

00:24:46.360 On University Place?

00:24:47.200 It was on University Place.

00:24:48.400 It was some luggage store.

00:24:49.900 And I remember being like, $250.

00:24:52.240 Like, Jesus Christ.

00:24:53.780 Well, no, that's significant.

00:24:54.920 You made it sound like, I don't know, like it was a street shop.

00:24:57.420 Like you bought it outside of.

00:24:59.960 It's still going.

00:25:00.740 No.

00:25:01.280 Although actually the handle hasn't broken for at least three years.

00:25:04.100 Drop the brand. 1.00

00:25:04.920 Swiss.

00:25:05.700 Oh, classic.

00:25:06.740 yeah right like swiss army yeah i think that's what that is people yeah i assume it's the same

00:25:11.320 people i mean if not they have a branding problem you know one of the sweetest things i want to do

00:25:15.560 a shout out to comedian and friend joe mandy because one time i was doing a show with him

00:25:19.960 this was a long i don't know this is a long time ago i was opening for him and i was dragging a

00:25:24.220 suitcase through the airport that had a wheel was like broken it was really cheap or shitty and it

00:25:28.920 had a high peach a high peach it had a high pitch scream like i was like oh you're dragging it

00:25:34.380 through the airport it was so loud everyone was looking at me it was horrible it had terrible

00:25:38.040 traction and then you know three weeks later in the mail he sent me a new suitcase excuse me is 0.87

00:25:44.840 that not the kindest thing you've ever heard oh wow holy shit i know i was deeply moved are you

00:25:50.840 using that one yet yeah i've used that one okay well i have a really nice suitcase it was like

00:25:56.340 it was like a major gift whoever did that away pr deserves an oscar pulser because the amount the

00:26:03.460 way that they were able to fool the nation.

00:26:05.660 Wait, Briggs Riley? What is it?

00:26:07.300 Briggs Riley, yeah. This is like

00:26:09.480 my mother and aunt

00:26:11.300 spent six weeks investigating

00:26:13.740 it at Bloomingdale's

00:26:15.240 and deciding on

00:26:17.020 you know, like, we're gonna go for it. We're gonna

00:26:19.480 get you. You're traveling now. You're going out

00:26:21.460 there. You know, you need a good piece.

00:26:24.140 You know, that kind of thing.

00:26:25.880 And so they did it and then a couple

00:26:27.600 years later, one for Chris.

00:26:30.360 Alright, this probably has to be cut.

00:26:31.440 It's too, like, weird.

00:26:33.460 But anyway, my Briggs & Riley, I do really value because they have like, you know, lifetime guarantee or whatever, you know, like you can bring it back at any step.

00:26:42.920 And it has a function where you fill it up to the top, you zip it closed, and then you go and you press it down and it scrunches it down like structurally.

00:26:54.000 Whoa, shocking.

00:26:55.120 With a hard frame, it goes.

00:26:57.200 Okay.

00:26:57.560 And then it's more compact.

00:26:59.540 It's nice.

00:27:00.540 Anyway.

00:27:01.540 Yeah, go.

00:27:02.180 i once i once just want to say i was i was once checking a bag and then when i got to the other

00:27:06.660 side there was a drawing inside that someone had done that was of this like half cat half woman

00:27:12.720 without pants on inside your bag okay this is yeah this is a drawing it has to be somewhere

00:27:18.800 oh where is it it was a drawing of this like half cat half woman person with no pants on

00:27:26.340 and then this like figure squatting in front of her ostensibly having just eaten her out

00:27:31.860 oh my god and it was like and it was this kind of like i mean it was folk art it was bonafide

00:27:38.100 outsider art it was it was like some i love that because those are real terms and you know them

00:27:43.400 drawing and then it said like and then it said like los angeles airport like it was can you

00:27:49.560 did it look anything like you no so in no way was it like like this i'm drawing a little perverted

00:27:57.760 picture like of you and how i see you catwoman no no no no no but you just you think someone

00:28:04.080 just slipped it in there as a gag i mean it's pretty outrageous i think people do that sort

00:28:09.120 of thing they stick drawings in other people's luggage maybe rarely but it was like someone

00:28:13.980 stuck a little sex drawing in there was it in the main section right on top right on top when you

00:28:20.300 unzipped when i unzipped it was right there that's deranged i know it is i'm shocked i know i mean 0.92

00:28:26.640 would you you know your swiss it said it probably came with a lock would you ever lock scares you

00:28:31.420 to have to maintain the key i know they don't let i thought you couldn't do that i thought

00:28:35.780 locking was illegal or something oh maybe all right let's pull it pull it around i know i know

00:28:41.220 i mean i i kind of am intrigued by suitcase talk but i feel like it'll probably get sort of

00:28:45.800 truncated but wait i want to talk a little bit because we've we've both been under the care of

00:28:50.640 practitioners in the last couple days yes both facial and foot and dental and i know i keep

00:28:55.900 bringing up dental because i keep going back so much did you have a facial or a beauty today i

00:28:59.680 had a facial today laurie hollingworth wow um my angel you continue to say her name despite none

00:29:05.500 of us being able to get an appointment including me you might be able to get an appointment also

00:29:08.500 she's talking about bringing in people to work for her okay that she would expand so yeah yeah

00:29:13.020 okay but i went to i went to her you know i got some i got the full microcurrent i got the

00:29:19.620 the industrial microcurrent okay how did it feel i got some emphatic massage all right tell me

00:29:25.060 about the microcurrent i'm wondering if it was so i recently went to face gym saw their marketing

00:29:30.980 on instagram right and so i went in they massaged the face it was heaven and then and they applied

00:29:35.840 a microcurrent thing similar to the zip it felt more intense like perhaps it was you know

00:29:40.540 professional grade i'm wondering how intense yours was she swears by this machine okay okay did you

00:29:47.720 happen to clock the brand yeah it's called casey oh my god thank god i really was expecting a no

00:29:53.060 and i i don't know why i doubted you it's like a 25 000 machine well 12 50 if we share it

00:29:58.820 i bet we could find a third friend who's interested

00:30:03.080 it's huge it's like a refrigerator i mean it's not that big but it's quite large 0.97

00:30:08.420 okay but you know it has like double prong and the one prong and she damn and she really takes 1.00

00:30:14.100 her time god did she have any comments on your face she was the current status she just was 0.95

00:30:19.140 like you look good my god she didn't say it like that she's like deeply loving and wonderful but

00:30:22.700 she was just like i talked about doing the zip and she was like yeah that's great to just kind

00:30:27.280 of you know maintain right keep it going she's like it's not going to give you what this gives

00:30:30.740 you but of course not i mean is it and of course not i mean it is right it is it isn't of course

00:30:35.180 not but she what i really like about her facials is it's not a bunch of bells and whistles okay

00:30:40.580 she's not going in there with the here's this and that and you know it just feels like a real

00:30:45.600 sorry i have to stop myself because this is boring i'm not though i'm like literally riveted i know

00:30:50.480 so i feel like you have to trust it i mean i mean maybe re-energize but like yeah we like i'm dying

00:30:55.900 to know we've talked a lot about skincare on this show okay you've you've talked about laurie

00:31:00.280 hollingworth since day one okay yeah yeah now this is the first time we're really hearing

00:31:04.860 about a recent facial i think it's pretty interesting okay okay so just so so she doesn't

00:31:10.260 i mean if what you're saying feels false to you that's fine no i just felt like if you just feel

00:31:13.720 like you're just like trying to come up with shit to say or something yeah yeah yeah i just was like

00:31:17.140 not um i'm trying to think if i have anything to actually were there extractions there was okay so 0.98

00:31:21.300 there were some extractions um there's something there's been kind of a zit on my chin that i was

00:31:26.660 brave enough to not tamper with wow so i really let her have at it yeah um and she did something

00:31:31.780 to a zit yeah she just got it out i didn't mean you could really do that with a zit like i thought 0.99

00:31:35.440 a zit you're too oh like you're too far along like a blackhead there's something to get out 0.97

00:31:40.740 What do you mean? 1.00

00:31:41.540 Like a clogged pore.

00:31:43.960 But a pimple itself is already like a post-filled.

00:31:47.920 But this is almost like under my skin.

00:31:49.340 Like I was like, I can't go in there myself.

00:31:51.080 She has to go in there.

00:31:52.060 And there's no needle.

00:31:53.080 It's not like popping anything.

00:31:54.360 I think there's a needle involved.

00:31:55.480 My eyes are closed and I've surrendered fully.

00:31:57.400 Yeah.

00:31:57.560 I'm like, yeah.

00:31:59.840 Okay.

00:32:00.240 What about the nose?

00:32:01.320 Did she do much around there? 0.99

00:32:02.440 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:02.640 Because I had some clogged pores there. 0.87

00:32:04.440 Because that really kind of hurts when they go in with a tool.

00:32:06.500 Yeah.

00:32:06.860 Yeah.

00:32:07.180 I mean, she cleaned me out.

00:32:08.880 Exciting.

00:32:09.240 But it really felt good.

00:32:10.740 and did you ask her any questions like were you like what do i do about 11s do frownies work well

00:32:15.720 she doesn't she doesn't like fraxel okay tell me everything i didn't get into it but i really

00:32:20.020 really trust her she was like no to fraxel i mentioned this laser that i'm curious in called

00:32:25.440 these are this is a laser but i did mention clear and brilliant which is another laser and she said

00:32:31.260 she likes that one oh my god does she doesn't perform any of them right no like that's kind

00:32:36.800 of the question yeah you know what what does the woman who's not selling it believe in of the

00:32:41.900 products that she doesn't sell right right that you can trust yeah absolutely so fraxel is some

00:32:46.920 form of a laser where you're really shedding you're really the fantasy we have of burning

00:32:52.200 off the face and starting fresh i remember here there were two girls in my burn it off and then

00:32:57.140 it scabs and you walk or you walk around with a full scab mask for like a week i think what a

00:33:03.100 dream oh oh but i was gonna say there were two girls in my high school who i remember i think

00:33:07.220 they both like like shaved their heads together like best friends so they were like they were

00:33:11.920 like so they're gonna like start their hair care fresh like they're gonna take such good hair care

00:33:16.040 of their hair who in high school start from zero yeah i mean it can't be it can't be what occurred

00:33:22.160 but it did i mean i might as well stand by the tail i went to get foot help today tell me about

00:33:28.680 the foot help. Okay. I, you know, I went in desperate for, for the answer to be some kind

00:33:34.540 of plasma or platelets or ground up bone meal or some kind of injection, right? Oh my God.

00:33:40.520 To heal the, the navicular accessory area that I have the trouble with. And I was sort of given

00:33:46.940 the same diagnosis I'd gotten previously, but this time I got it and I trusted him more. You know

00:33:52.800 what I'm saying? Sometimes that helps. Sometimes you have to hear it again. Yeah. Second time,

00:33:57.280 the third time in a fresh office and i i raised up my courage to not just go with the flow while

00:34:03.600 it's happening because sometimes they'll be like so it doesn't hurt in the arch right and i'm like

00:34:06.460 no and then like later i'm like but it does hurt in the arch why did i like why did i like fulfill

00:34:10.980 his narrative i know i know that's that's what going that's so real so i was like and so i sort

00:34:17.620 of spoke up being like so he starts to say basically like you i already have these orthotic

00:34:21.640 inserts and he's like those are over the counter and look they're a little weak our guy is going

00:34:25.500 to firm it up in the back it takes my inserts in my shoe firms it up in the back brings it up and

00:34:30.800 he's sort of saying like you know these these help the only other option would be surgery but

00:34:34.560 you're not you're not a candidate for surgery it's not needed you know so it's orthotics and

00:34:39.440 it's like but I did the orthotics last year and they you know I'm still in pain right so it's

00:34:44.820 boring but I'm like but so it's like this pan and I just like I felt like he was kind of trying to

00:34:50.480 get out of the room at this point and so I was kind of like um no it's just I I'm concerned that

00:34:54.820 they're not going to work you know and i'll be doing my show and i'll be you know whatever right

00:34:59.900 i'll be in pain and i'll be trying to email you guys first of all try to get good luck try to get

00:35:04.200 in touch with the doc try to get a doctor's email i mean i'm sure you have them i demand them

00:35:07.720 cultivated those kinds of relationships no right but it's like so i sort of pushed so i was like

00:35:13.600 so there's nothing literally he's he's on his way out the room i'm like so there's no magic serum

00:35:18.080 and this this is here here's what upsets me right yeah i'm not a fool i don't think it's magic serum

00:35:24.060 okay i read on the website about six different therapies okay but then i become self-conscious

00:35:29.220 in the room like showing having the knowledge yeah yeah because i think it's gonna like hurt

00:35:34.420 their ego right right you know so i'm like it's like navicular accessory right that that word has

00:35:39.800 been rolling off my tongue are they in my home when you drop two years now and i sort of dropped

00:35:45.720 it in there and it was like oh but not talking about so i'm like you mean there's not some kind

00:35:50.700 of serum like why can't i just ask for what i want i mean as i did though i did i was like what

00:35:54.520 he knew he knew you know he knows what i'm there for with the regenerative sports medicine that

00:36:00.040 the website promised welcome to your 30s folks yeah he's like and he just goes not for what you

00:36:08.320 have and i was like and i like really heard him i was like he's saying like that's not going to

00:36:13.440 help you yeah i don't know it's it's not exciting but i and then the then i had this guy making me

00:36:19.260 a new a mold of my foot for like a new orthotic whatever and i asked him but so boring jesus okay

00:36:27.180 no but the thing is it's like it's a funny thing because talking about one's own medical issues

00:36:34.160 yeah could there be anything more interesting i know than your own medical issues wouldn't it be

00:36:40.980 fun to do a complete scan of your like imagine if you could just do a scan of your entire body and

00:36:45.180 talk about every sensation you've ever had in like like i want to start the toe and go yeah

00:36:49.240 sometimes my yes right toe in the corner there's a pain that happens if i wear this certain pair

00:36:54.060 of boots no no like like like go through totally every question oh on his way out the door okay

00:37:02.220 like on his literally as we had their post you know the other the other thing that brought him

00:37:06.080 back in yeah he's out at the door again and i like yell do i need to do yoga to straighten my

00:37:11.440 feet like this again i like turned my feet in because my feet naturally go out and he was like

00:37:14.900 no and i kind of loved that too like i don't know that pleased me oh i love when i love when a doctor

00:37:21.400 puts you at ease like that yeah through dismissal i've developed i'm thrilled because i've developed

00:37:25.540 a very close relationship with my new gynecologist who i love right i think you and i don't know if

00:37:30.520 that came up last week but i think it may have and i'm excited for you and i want to appreciate

00:37:33.560 and yeah because i'm in on the texts i'm in i have direct access shit he's great and it's like

00:37:38.700 text the doctor and that's what i want i want that closeness with a general practitioner is

00:37:43.220 that the right word general practitioner well internal medicine it's funny you say that because

00:37:48.020 i was screaming about that to you maybe last week on poog my how do you find a gp right oh my god

00:37:54.800 how i've been i don't know whether it was somebody who listens to poog literally you're telling me

00:37:59.760 there's not someone who listens to poog who who either is a top shelf gp lives with one has a

00:38:07.700 friend somebody who wants to be on the text thread with and be bombarded constantly with medical

00:38:13.500 questions imagine being the the internist and that's so after the after this my mother i said

00:38:18.600 gp at her a bunch of times she's like i at the end she's like i believe it's an internist oh you're

00:38:23.040 looking for an internist okay and i was like okay you can understand the benefits of marrying a

00:38:28.620 doctor being a doctor sounds so stressful because can you give yourself medical advice no um i mean

00:38:34.620 I'm trying to think, but bad news.

00:38:37.000 All right, see you in a minute.

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00:40:16.820 Okay.

00:40:21.220 Doctors.

00:40:22.380 Oh, scanning of your foot.

00:40:23.720 Okay.

00:40:24.380 From every...

00:40:25.300 Or just scanning the entire body and just like...

00:40:28.220 Because we talk a lot about body horror on this show, but it's like just the terror of being embodied.

00:40:34.460 Wait, but turn it towards you so you don't have to turn your head when you're talking to me.

00:40:37.780 Do you see what I'm saying?

00:40:38.380 What's wrong with this?

00:40:39.600 I'm looking right at you.

00:40:40.300 Okay.

00:40:40.760 I just, you kind of look like that.

00:40:42.340 So I'm like, there's no way you're going to slip.

00:40:44.960 You're going to slip away.

00:40:46.160 If you're comfortable, you're comfortable.

00:40:47.420 I'm comfortable.

00:40:48.040 All right.

00:40:48.540 Just we talk about the terror of being embodied, of having a body.

00:40:51.800 Here's what I wish.

00:40:52.680 I wish everyone had a log.

00:40:54.280 I wish this for two days.

00:40:55.780 Maybe it's called a week.

00:40:56.960 Everyone has a log.

00:40:58.220 and every single sensation they feel that doesn't feel that could even be considered slightly

00:41:04.980 abnormal, they log. Right. So it's like waking up, slight sharp pain and jaw. So like, I want

00:41:10.300 everyone's log. I want to see what everyone's dealing with. Right. Because, yeah, because you

00:41:15.300 don't know because it's like what pain is abnormal, what pain is just because it's always amazing.

00:41:19.680 I was really freed when I think just through my episodes of hypochondria, like, yeah, sometimes

00:41:24.880 like you don't feel well or sometimes like there is a pain or shooting pain and that doesn't mean

00:41:28.440 anything necessarily you have a body it's just having a body you have a physical body there's

00:41:32.620 going to be things going on with there's going to be sensations right yeah not everything i mean

00:41:36.300 it would be weird if the body if normalcy was just feeling absolutely nothing yeah just pristine

00:41:42.300 i mean you feel pleasure you're probably gonna feel some pain too isn't that how we move towards

00:41:48.180 and away things you know through the senses in that way so just so there's gonna i don't know

00:41:53.100 you know what i was thinking about i was i was meditating earlier okay and started trying to

00:41:58.380 figure things out i took a deep breath and i was like does it feel good like what does it feel like

00:42:03.880 sometimes breathing hurts and it feels scary actually well sometimes i don't like the sensation

00:42:08.080 of feeling the chest cavity it actually gives me an anxiety that feels like i'm gonna either

00:42:12.460 breathe too deeply and shatter the chest wait i have to just break in with a really quick thing

00:42:18.200 that laurie told me today at my facial which i think you'll love please which is about gua sha

00:42:22.300 she was like yeah guasha is great but you have to do it a lot but she was talking about lymphatic

00:42:25.420 draining and she was like okay sometimes you don't have to go hard she's like you can do it with your

00:42:29.000 own hands and she was talking about just dragging your fingers almost across the top of your chest

00:42:34.160 and kind of going out she was like even that does something yeah i know it's gentle is really hard

00:42:38.780 you don't want to go believe in gentle she was like you don't need to go super super hard

00:42:42.800 and she was saying she was huge advocate of the dry brush okay there it is because i mean we all 0.99

00:42:48.140 recall in an early episode, I believe you said the words, um, it's no better than your goddamn 1.00

00:42:53.680 mitts. Okay. And I was like, well, similarly, cause I did hear, but I do believe that that 1.00

00:42:59.760 someone's like, yeah, you don't have to travel with your dry brush. You can just scrape with

00:43:03.180 your goddamn fingers, your skin going up. It's just about fingernails. I would think so. Yeah. 1.00

00:43:09.180 It's just all about stimulating both. It's just all about stimulating the lymph system,

00:43:13.600 which you can do manually with your hands and people do over brush but the dry brushing is 0.98

00:43:19.260 exfoliating the skin in addition to it's a manual exfoliation when you dry brush do you do your tits

00:43:26.920 i'm i'm kind of a like and chest and it's very hard for me to like avoid a spot because i'm very 0.61

00:43:36.080 like kind of want my money's worth of any procedure bang for my buck so even if they're like i mean a

00:43:41.500 classic avoid the eye area with my like facial serums i'm like but they're what i'm doing it for

00:43:46.320 so yeah i'm like right placing the retinol like you know like right right up to the lash line or

00:43:53.280 something which you know you're probably not supposed to do oh my god i got it yeah i would

00:43:56.120 like stabilize to ask about retinol i'll text her what whether you need it yeah i'm surprised

00:44:01.140 it's never come up she will say about vitamin c she said when you're using vitamin c you have to

00:44:04.960 let it sit on your skin for like seven minutes before the sun she said she said don't add things

00:44:08.940 on top of it until it's really soaked in alone oh no really she said don't lay her on top of the

00:44:13.360 vitamin c till it's soaked in okay because the other ingredients interact with it she just said

00:44:18.160 we didn't go too deeply into it but she was like you just you need it to actually get in there okay

00:44:22.800 interesting well i have incorporated that device the solar wave as a i mean this is why you have

00:44:29.420 to set up a trunk in front of your television it's really brilliant it's the only way i will

00:44:35.460 not stand over a sink it's brilliant what you've done jacqueline oh but the solar wave i i so after

00:44:41.220 let's say i put the vitamin c on with this okay then i go over with the solar wave and the vibration

00:44:46.420 penetrates it deeper penetrates it deeper the heat all of it i sort of think okay i'm like

00:44:51.340 sort of working although i finally i've started experiencing a little bit of burning

00:44:56.260 from some retinol type serums and i'm excited because it's like you know it's almost like oh

00:45:04.140 that means it's working or something. Cause I was always worried like, there's nothing here.

00:45:08.280 Yeah. You gotta be careful. Oh, but the body scan like, Oh, taking a deep breath. Okay.

00:45:16.260 First. Okay. When I started doing yoga, like a few years ago or whatever. Okay. 11 years ago

00:45:20.840 is more like the time I'm referring to. Right. When I would take a deep breath, a muscle in

00:45:26.180 like the upper back, like hurt. Okay. It was all too tense. Oh, sure. Classic. So that was an

00:45:30.980 issue right to like be able to just sit there and breathe fully i had to like get in shape to do

00:45:35.080 so there's that and i was thinking about it i was thinking about how like taking in a deep breath

00:45:39.240 and holding a breath is more pleasant for me naturally than exhaling a breath and holding

00:45:43.960 it out right which are both things you do in like certain breathing techniques like you know the the

00:45:49.040 post exhale hold try it now get it all out squeeze the belly in and hold for 15 seconds try to stay

00:45:57.500 there i didn't even know that was a thing oh my god okay it's huge okay it's a huge holding here

00:46:02.560 i've been inhaling holding for the seven seconds letting out and then immediately going for for an

00:46:07.540 inhale yes well the hold at the end of the exhale jacqueline how i not learned about this okay it's

00:46:13.120 well it's a technique right it's not like everything and they they rarely let me think

00:46:18.360 about the square breath inhale hold exhale hold i think well here here's what it does for me so

00:46:25.540 So in some of these like kundalini exercises, you know, you exhale all the way.

00:46:29.300 They're like, get the last little bit out, squeeze the belly in, get the last little

00:46:32.320 bit out, you know, and then you pause and you relax with the breath out.

00:46:37.600 So instead of tensing and your body will start to panic going like you're drowning.

00:46:43.660 Right.

00:46:44.100 OK.

00:46:44.600 And you'll want to take a deep breath so bad.

00:46:48.360 And so it's like, can you so there's one exercise in kundalini yoga where you're where 0.95

00:46:53.420 you're standing up you bend over hold your ankles okay and like a pike you know like a standing 0.96

00:46:59.120 whatever forward bend and then you exhale all the breath and then you pump your belly in 0.87

00:47:03.760 with the breath held out okay and i could do it for like five seconds at first then i could do it

00:47:09.200 for 10 it's like really intense but here's the thing it's like it's like if you know you're

00:47:13.500 gonna breathe in five seconds right you can then it's like you can wait but it's it's some of the

00:47:18.000 most intense panic you'll feel like of like your body begging you to breathe. Okay. And so you're

00:47:24.260 like, well, I'm going to breathe in one second. So calm down. Okay. And that's to me, the mental

00:47:30.860 challenge that's exciting. So is that, so what is, what are the benefits of that? What's the

00:47:34.760 benefit? I mean, I forget a logical thing of like coming to terms with those limits, knowing that

00:47:40.460 you will breathe again, but still enduring the worry and the panic of not breathing, you know,

00:47:45.480 feel free i mean i'm not encouraging this but i'm like someone could be like don't hold your breath

00:47:48.780 i mean there's issues people have died holding their breath i mean whatever okay i'm not like

00:47:52.680 you know drink water then it's like people drink too much water and they die yes just even the

00:47:56.540 slightest hold at the bottom even just the slightest hold before another inhale there's

00:48:00.780 like a rising panic and it's like it's all part of super like slow it was i learned that and and

00:48:06.820 worked on that through various exercises that involved slowing down the breath to like a thing

00:48:12.660 where it was like three breaths a minute okay and so it was like how slow can i get it and in order

00:48:18.120 to slow your breathing down that much which activates the i think parasympathetic nervous

00:48:23.140 system which is the calming healing relaxation one well meditation your breathing slows and so

00:48:29.400 inhale hold and i've learned to relax in the holding in and then and relax in the holding

00:48:38.060 out and it it takes you to a pretty intense state well i want to say this just to and maybe this will

00:48:43.820 even maybe i can help people with this but if i can't sleep yes the the classic four is it four

00:48:49.640 seven eight four breaths in four seconds in you hold for six you exhale for eight is it four six

00:48:55.440 eight that will knock me out almost without fail okay wait wait hold on four six eight i'm looking

00:49:02.420 it up because i want to say it right oh right yeah if you go long on those exhales like that will

00:49:06.820 knock me out and that's that's parasympathetic action in a way that is four seven eight you

00:49:12.820 breathe in for four seconds you hold it for seven seconds but i want you to try something because

00:49:17.180 this was a key difference for me okay i want you to so take in the deep breath you know do the four

00:49:21.860 and then hold for the seven but when you're in the seven relax your other muscles without letting

00:49:26.340 the air out go limp but hold the breath no i mean don't let the air out do you see what i'm saying

00:49:34.780 during the hold inhale okay watch watch

00:49:39.860 relax the muscles during the holding you've exhaled again do you know do you know anything

00:49:49.580 because i because how long am i supposed to hold well however long you hold let's say you hold for

00:49:53.780 seven seconds or eight seconds i'm just saying normally i feel like when we hold our breath

00:49:57.440 we're all tensed up and that was the big realization learning that you can actually

00:50:00.340 retain the breath. Oh, I see. Yeah. To relax as you hold. And then the same on the out. And when

00:50:05.420 I would do that, when I was really in it and some kind of long meditation, there would be points

00:50:09.580 where I'd forget whether I was holding my breath out or holding it in. Oh, I'd be so still and so

00:50:17.380 slowed down that I didn't know whether I was like, do I need to inhale or do I need to exhale?

00:50:21.960 This is this is such a lame thing to say, but I know it's not. But I just I want to do like

00:50:26.420 we've never done like intense yoga we've done kundalini together but we've never done like

00:50:30.920 crazy i mean i'm just i don't i'm shying away from saying what i want to say which is like

00:50:35.440 i want to get high with you like basically is what i'm trying to say is like but i'm but we've

00:50:39.080 never done like a i know can you imagine if we were on mushrooms breathing deeply i mean can you

00:50:42.680 imagine we we haven't the only sort of experiences we've had in that like we've we've gone into cold

00:50:49.940 plunges together and as we know it was it was yes it was ecstatic we've plunged into a couple

00:50:55.260 cocktails but yeah yes cocktails together food together saunas together but then yeah nothing

00:51:02.380 beyond that but oh but the original thing I wanted to say about about like feeling and sensation in

00:51:06.940 the body I was like because we're obviously like we're supposed to breathe in and take breaths

00:51:12.860 should be it should feel good right like we should be motivated and it does it feels better to take

00:51:18.220 a breath than to hold one out. And it's like, why? And so I'm like, where are the sensors? Like,

00:51:25.020 what pain do you feel inside your body? And why? Because you don't feel everything, right?

00:51:32.420 If someone stabbed your spleen, would you feel something? You know what I mean?

00:51:36.240 Somebody inside my body? Yes. Like, like, does every piece, you know what I mean?

00:51:40.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think I know what you mean. Like, also, it's alarming. Like,

00:51:44.920 what are the limits of feeling like what do we feel what don't like our elbow skin right you can

00:51:49.380 you can squeeze it like yeah and or whatever right there's things like that surely like right

00:51:54.260 right or you know your eyeball the fact like you can touch your eyeball like you can lay lay a

00:51:59.780 contact lens on it okay and you're not screaming in pain yeah like that that just is a thing even

00:52:05.980 like eye drops so i'm i'm unclear on whether or not our different organs have like direct sense

00:52:13.460 and whether or not we are only not feeling something for example in my you know spleen

00:52:18.660 because nothing is stabbing it or because it doesn't have sense feel the stomach i guess needs

00:52:23.840 to have a feeling right because if if there was no pain in the stomach you'd keep eating you know

00:52:28.260 you gorge yourself to death well i certainly would yeah i don't know i mean i guess i guess 0.88

00:52:32.780 okay the word i was looking for was fucking nerves right are there i mean there are nerves 0.97

00:52:36.620 everywhere right because yeah yeah nerves where are the nerves yeah what you're worried you think 0.97

00:52:41.300 it's bad? No, I was thinking about nerves. I truly was lost in thought thinking about like

00:52:44.640 nerves. I was like, oh, I was so taken with my own x-rays of my foot that last night. So I found

00:52:51.420 my x-rays from last year. Last night, I started Googling like wildly trying to find other x-rays

00:52:57.500 of feet and to compare my feet to other feet. And like, and like, what can you learn from your own

00:53:02.320 x-ray? And like, I just like wanted to get in there so bad. And then today they took more x-rays

00:53:06.620 and like i was like taking pictures of them in the doctor's office on the screen like so that i could

00:53:11.620 pursue them at home when you see your own skull oh have you ever done that well i'm at the dentist 0.99

00:53:18.200 when they turn it on and you can see your own skull i well yeah love love that shit at the 1.00

00:53:23.780 dentist okay do you know what i don't like have you ever seen your ovaries i guess on a like some 0.99

00:53:30.080 kind of scan or something or ultrasound they do to check for things i had but i don't think i've

00:53:34.720 seen it sends me i i really makes me ill i can't well yeah i can't think about anything as we know

00:53:42.800 like scraping the or touching the cervix without like you know curling over in pain yeah um when

00:53:50.320 i was so taken with my own x-rays i'm yeah i'm very taken by the skull and the skeleton within

00:53:55.080 i mean literally the symbol of mortality to be faced with by the way and when i first saw my

00:54:00.820 feet in the x-ray I was like that can't be right and it is they were so gorgeous no no no the

00:54:06.080 skeleton is like at a crazy angle where like I'm convinced that you know a massive problem has been

00:54:12.120 on earth isn't it wild you wouldn't recognize your own skeleton if it were shown to you like

00:54:16.280 like if it were shown to you like if you had a you couldn't pick up you couldn't pick out your 0.95

00:54:20.480 own goddamn skeleton out of a lineup no it's it's I love that and I also love have I ever told you

00:54:25.320 the helen keller thing okay so helen keller her memoir is incredible the world as i see it 0.97

00:54:32.920 when did you read it oh every christmas years ago and then occasionally i revisit i mean it's

00:54:41.020 simply incredible um i mean imagine being deaf and blind and having full command of the english

00:54:47.340 language okay i mean just like just like you know being a storyteller but anyway so helen keller

00:54:54.560 like never forgot a hand okay you're joking all right so she never forgot a hand forgot a hand

00:55:01.040 oh my god okay and so someone you know would give them her hand when she met them whatever

00:55:04.900 like you know shake the hand whatever that was like the equivalent of the face for her

00:55:08.600 and but there was a thing about it that it was like it was more than just memorizing

00:55:13.200 feeling the hand it was energetic okay you want to know why you want to hear some sort of proof

00:55:18.300 okay i mean not really but whatever here it is already so someone i have no clue why they did

00:55:23.560 this made a cast of her hand presented it to her she couldn't recognize it she couldn't recognize

00:55:29.100 it couldn't recognize it no idea what hand it was and it was a perfect mold of her own hand

00:55:34.680 i basically it's hard for me to believe that this hand expert helen keller wouldn't be able to go

00:55:39.420 that's not a real hand no no oh they were really like plaster trying to pull a fast one on her yeah

00:55:47.560 no no it was like i i really should revisit i'll find it i'll post it okay but it was like it was

00:55:52.780 something like that and but the the takeaway was almost like that that she's getting a lot of

00:55:57.440 information from people's hands beyond just the shape of that hand and it's minor lines and stuff

00:56:03.060 like that right right of course energetic yeah a dear friend recently was recalling a helen keller

00:56:08.680 quote which i love it's so simple but it's so true which is um life is an adventure or it's nothing

00:56:14.520 wait or it's nothing or it's nothing sorry i was distracted wondering who the dear friend was um

00:56:20.400 and who they could be you know that's a joke that's a joke um life's an adventure or it's

00:56:26.320 nothing damn yeah i mean the the trouble you know not the trouble but because the dramatization of

00:56:32.100 her understanding the signing with the word water right on her hand okay so have you ever seen the 0.89

00:56:38.360 play the miracle worker or whatever so the alan keller story deaf uh mute blind and you know the 0.94

00:56:48.000 formal term of course well at least was dumb for mute you know it's one of those ones that then 0.79

00:56:54.260 whatever the medical thing that becomes the insult that then you know what i mean the medical term 0.85

00:56:58.640 for all three was the whole enchilada yeah okay it took me a second i knew something hysterical 0.99

00:57:07.160 is happening so you're deaf dumb and blind that it's because i want to be able to say deaf dumb 0.91

00:57:13.220 the blind like in tommy the musical and the big moment in the in the play okay is her teacher 0.99

00:57:19.360 has put her one hand under the the water the spigot out back okay the water's flowing in her

00:57:25.680 hand and then the other hand she's writing uh with her finger water over and over again and

00:57:30.700 there's the the moment where helen gets it that this represents this and now she has found her

00:57:36.600 way into language right it's huge and it's like but the trouble is like so then you have helen

00:57:42.220 like all her elaborate and brilliant book and whatever and it's like you're reading all these

00:57:46.340 words you just keep going back to like the water thing in my head like i just keep going back to

00:57:49.840 the origin of of language for her almost like unfair because if i'm speaking in full sentences

00:57:56.340 it's not like people are constantly like thinking back to the first moment that i like babbled out

00:58:00.840 like mama or whatever yeah i mean helen keller should be a full episode i mean not an episode

00:58:08.140 Sorry, a season. 0.54

00:58:11.540 I was just thinking about how rich she must have been.

00:58:15.080 Well, remember.

00:58:16.840 I get lost.

00:58:18.100 I focus on the tutoring.

00:58:19.580 No, because I don't know.

00:58:22.540 I lost the tutoring.

00:58:23.480 All right, let's lift up the energy to get out of here.

00:58:25.920 Because can you believe it?

00:58:26.900 In the end, I'm doing a little muscle manipulation I learned at the face gym.

00:58:32.760 Yeah, Lori did some of that to me today.

00:58:34.880 I'm checking the bag.

00:58:36.040 What do you think?

00:58:36.560 I'm not going to carry on.

00:58:38.140 I'm taking a big suitcase to New York for nine days.

00:58:41.920 No, it's too much.

00:58:42.700 Big suitcases are hell. 1.00

00:58:43.760 Why don't you stick your blow dryer in your goddamn purse? 1.00

00:58:47.820 No, Jacqueline, no. 1.00

00:58:49.180 And then if you buy stuff in New York, then you buy a big suitcase.

00:58:54.660 You think that's crazy to take a big suitcase?

00:58:57.360 No, I don't.

00:58:58.760 No, you know what the truth is?

00:59:00.260 There are no rules here.

00:59:01.340 It's whatever it is to you.

00:59:03.040 Check a bag.

00:59:04.220 I mean, you're not going to New York and sort of roaming the streets looking for a

00:59:07.900 hostel right you have a plan for where you're staying exactly exactly so you're gonna i'm

00:59:12.580 staying in two different places so there'll be one hall down is already either them a walk up

00:59:17.380 i'm not worried about that with this i can take a pair of boots i can take a pair of heels you

00:59:22.220 don't feel like you can fit that into a carry-on i just feel like you only need the big suitcase

00:59:26.320 when you're moving i feel like a carry-on is enough i hate that i wonder the question will

00:59:35.420 B. All right. I guess that was Poog. I don't know what to say.

00:59:39.320 Yeah, that was a little out with a laugh.

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