Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Skincare Pt. 2

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00:01:05.120 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.580 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.680 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.420 Two untamable intellects.

00:01:14.180 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:01:15.040 This is our hell.

00:01:15.880 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:01:18.180 This is POOG.

00:01:19.580 Today's topic, loosely speaking, UPF clothing, age makeup.

00:01:24.020 Next.

00:01:25.540 Well, here we are, Skincare Part 2.

00:01:28.300 And I just want to say, expect Skincare Part 8, Part 9, Part 32.

00:01:33.220 This is going to be an ongoing conversation here at POOG.

00:01:35.740 The response to Skincare 1 cannot be denied.

00:01:39.280 The outpouring, the public outreach.

00:01:41.100 The panic.

00:01:41.940 There's an influence here.

00:01:43.100 We've got to be careful.

00:01:43.600 A little fun anecdote maybe for the kids at home.

00:01:46.660 I've been more broken out than I ever have been in my adult life recently.

00:01:49.980 And so I just want to say that I'm coming at this episode with a specific sensitivity that I haven't had in any years.

00:01:58.120 And right now, for example, there's something under the dermis.

00:02:01.420 I've seen almost nothing.

00:02:02.400 Well, thank you.

00:02:03.160 Well, my skin has suffered under the assault of me taking sugar in for days around the holiday.

00:02:09.320 Of course.

00:02:09.940 I'm suffering from serious wheat face.

00:02:12.160 I have under my right eye inexplicable subterranean zit in a place that I've never in my life

00:02:19.120 experienced in fact I innocently looked into the mirror this morning oh it must be a mosquito bite

00:02:23.620 it has to be a mosquito bite right so big and I had to physically talk myself out of popping it

00:02:27.660 and I was like Kate stop don't because I performed surgery on my chin a few days ago and then went

00:02:33.940 into an absolute spiral I believe I heard from you both at night and in the morning yeah realizing

00:02:39.300 and it carried you through the night.

00:02:40.820 No, I was so upset.

00:02:42.700 Anyway, yes.

00:02:43.120 I think let's get him into the episode, Kate, shall we?

00:02:45.580 Yes, let's get right in.

00:02:46.560 Fantastic.

00:02:48.800 I want to pull us back to a couple of things.

00:02:50.580 Mineral sunscreen.

00:02:52.340 Okay, this is an effort I've been trying, okay?

00:02:54.820 Which is, by the way, you know,

00:02:56.520 like the thing about like a t-shirt is SPF 10.

00:02:58.680 Isn't that the worst?

00:02:59.560 Do you remember hearing that?

00:03:00.600 I've never heard that.

00:03:01.780 It's devastating.

00:03:02.800 You might want to Google it.

00:03:03.680 Go deeper.

00:03:04.400 Because sometimes when I'm going on a walk in a day,

00:03:06.380 I do make a point of wearing a shirt that covers my neck.

00:03:09.300 Yeah, and it's like, oh, great.

00:03:10.820 So you've put SPF 10 on your decolletage and head it out. 1.00

00:03:14.880 Fuck. 0.99

00:03:15.420 So you're saying you have to always put it on? 1.00

00:03:17.160 Google it.

00:03:17.640 Head to toe.

00:03:19.600 Maybe I'll Google it.

00:03:20.540 All right, let me see.

00:03:20.680 I mean, I do.

00:03:21.340 I have, again, recently, I'm like, okay, I need to always wear a hat.

00:03:26.320 But I have so much hair.

00:03:28.120 Hats don't go with me and with my spirit.

00:03:30.560 Most hats don't really fit my head.

00:03:32.180 They're always too small.

00:03:33.140 They hurt me.

00:03:33.740 I have a gigantic, gigantic head.

00:03:36.120 Will you tell the story about the agent?

00:03:38.140 Of course.

00:03:38.500 so i had a uh i was signed with a commercial agency in my early 20s and and i signed the

00:03:48.400 paperwork felt very cinematic like oh boy you know and then one of the agents came strolling by

00:03:55.140 and then they were like oh this is kate you know she just signed with us and he went big head big

00:04:01.600 booker and walked away oh my god is that what you mean yes yeah it's funny because of course i've

00:04:07.200 misremembered it like you know like this always happens people are like years ago you said and

00:04:10.700 then it's like and you're like maybe you remember and i don't it's possible big heads book no it's

00:04:16.480 big head big booker isn't that so funny big heads book is mine maybe it was big heads and the idea

00:04:22.140 being and i wasn't even familiar big heads book is better you've you've edited my memory into 0.96

00:04:27.380 something more novelistic wait how about this do t-shirts protect from sun god damn 0.94

00:04:37.220 Okay.

00:04:37.580 A white t-shirt provides only moderate sun protection with a UPF of about seven.

00:04:44.640 Seven?

00:04:45.660 When that t-shirt gets wet, I mean, it's not really an issue, but this is for people going

00:04:50.060 in the pool, I think is the idea.

00:04:51.820 When it gets wet, it provides a UPF of only three.

00:04:54.860 Uh-huh.

00:04:55.520 Oh my God, are you ready?

00:04:56.420 A dark long-sleeved denim shirt.

00:04:59.200 Denim shirt.

00:04:59.840 Can provide a UPF of about 1,700.

00:05:02.700 in essence complete sun protective protection okay right and in what world are we wearing that

00:05:09.640 yeah according to the skincare foundation uv rays can pass directly through these holes in the

00:05:15.260 shirt well this is interesting this is how it works and by the way upf i guess is

00:05:20.620 the skin cancer foundation recommends wearing clothing with at least upf 30

00:05:25.400 this is an article called is sun protective clothing worth the money

00:05:29.340 oh what color protects you from the sun while light colors are resistant to gathering heat

00:05:35.240 black colors provide better protection from the sun's uv rays so if you want to be cool you wear

00:05:40.200 the white linen if you want to protect from the rays it's it's it's dark black it's black denim

00:05:46.760 black denim on the beach let's see can you get sunburned through a shirt weave density this is

00:05:54.040 about weave density the tighter the knit or weave the better sure if the sun can penetrate your

00:05:59.760 clothes easily it's not protective no matter how much clothing you wear the type of fabric yes you

00:06:04.500 know the the only thing that i struggle with with protection from the sun is i do want sun coming at

00:06:11.420 a 45 degree angle into my eyes in the morning because that's what a sun lamp does and it stops

00:06:18.220 this is like the circadian rhythm thing sun in the eyes in the morning or your sun lamp it stimulates

00:06:23.620 the body to stop producing melatonin right right for day and that's where you have energy all day

00:06:28.700 but so couldn't you also just like you know take your coffee onto the just stand in some direct

00:06:33.060 sunlight after you absolutely but but that's one piece of like wanting the sun and then the vitamin

00:06:38.340 d okay which like in new york always always deficient and that can lead to depression and

00:06:42.860 sweaty uh hair or something something i've been like all these all these unfortunate you know

00:06:49.060 symptoms and then then the other reason that i because i love the shade but the only other thing

00:06:53.520 i'm missing is that according to deborah king master healer whose books i have read one way to

00:07:00.920 clear sort of negative energy if you get slimed by someone's energy she's like direct sunlight for

00:07:07.620 like ideally naked for 20 minutes okay there's there's that i never get tan but i have to say

00:07:14.620 this summer i let myself i even got burned a little bit at the beginning of summer and it felt

00:07:18.620 so like good because i never like on my legs i got a little bit of burn yeah and it made it gave

00:07:25.440 me the feeling of youth yeah like and i have like the slightest i have the slightest like bikini

00:07:29.980 yes like sun tan can you believe but like it does feel so good like i understand why people tan

00:07:37.580 because it does make you in the moment feel like sexy and like the sun is like you're taking the

00:07:45.440 sun into your skin in this way that feels like it's warming and like i don't know there's an

00:07:51.080 there is an intuitive i mean i guess yeah yeah i also wanted to show you my favorite

00:07:56.460 daily spf that also has a little bit of color in it i almost never get anything tinted oh see i

00:08:04.360 like a tint mineral beauty balm spf 50 md solar sciences water resistant non-comedogenic wait say

00:08:14.920 the brand again md solar sciences i love this stuff this is like my fourth tube and it's not

00:08:21.520 like ewg rated it highly like it's it's um non-toxic protective clothing i'm just googling

00:08:27.840 i found one brand the australians are really on top of this spf stuff because you burn there in

00:08:35.320 one minute at least that was my experience the one time i was there sun protective clothing

00:08:39.700 what i really want is a roundup i'm like okay skin cancer foundation right on their thing

00:08:45.940 has a thing sun protective clothing a safe simple way to keep rays at bay okay it's funny my immediate

00:08:51.980 assumption is that skin cancer foundation isn't gonna like know the most cool brands that i want

00:09:00.300 oh right uh-huh but let's give them a shot right recommended this is part of my consumerist impulse

00:09:05.800 i'm like i see a bunch of paragraphs about like why it's important and i'm kind of like all right

00:09:10.080 i'll skip those let me see what the products are yeah like i'm gonna trust but is this okay keep

00:09:13.920 going okay a white t-shirt okay right they're saying that whole thing start at the top wear a

00:09:17.660 hat sure okay wide brim sure i've got one tight knit must say i'm not sure mine's tightly knit

00:09:26.360 enough because i feel like it's meant to breathe you mean the brim the brim and the top i feel like

00:09:32.800 are too like i feel like they might be letting sun through the weave that's my concern oh so

00:09:38.660 stressful basal cell and squamous cell account for 90 of all skin cancers my dad had one of those on

00:09:44.640 his forehead after like jogging for 30 years in the sun saying like my ancestors like like needed

00:09:50.680 the sun and so do i or something and then like you know my greatest fear is i don't even like

00:09:55.880 to think about it like the moles that are on my scalp that i can't see right right i mean is that

00:09:59.960 They're not a living nightmare.

00:10:00.660 Although your thick mass of hair might be protecting you.

00:10:04.620 I do have a lot of hair.

00:10:06.000 Yeah.

00:10:06.640 All right.

00:10:07.000 So let's see if.

00:10:07.680 Still deeply stressful.

00:10:08.640 Let's see if they dress to protect best UPF clothing.

00:10:13.940 I'm always comforted when I start to Google something and you see that someone else decided

00:10:18.560 to phrase it the same way.

00:10:19.760 The search.

00:10:20.340 I know.

00:10:21.060 Oh, no.

00:10:21.440 And somehow I picked the wrong thing and it says best up flush toilet.

00:10:25.600 All right.

00:10:27.720 After all that.

00:10:29.460 All right.

00:10:29.960 recommended solbari has popped up twice oh best sun shirt in 2020 business insider

00:10:37.200 who covered the launch of our podcast network i believe the best sun shirt what is it hanes

00:10:44.480 men's long sleeve cool dry tea 15.99 you could barely get a t-shirt at target for that you send

00:10:51.620 me the link yeah okay the best fishing sun shirt i mean i don't know what that means and that one's

00:10:57.000 $30. These are all for men, but whatever. The best lightweight UPF. Filson ultra light shirt.

00:11:03.560 That looks pretty good. Hybrid hoodie. Our favorite is Hanes cool dry. I'm going to look at that

00:11:08.960 because I tend to prefer what is labeled as the male T versus the female T because I feel like 0.97

00:11:16.440 the female T's, I mean, they don't call them that obviously, but no, you know, woman's T is always 1.00

00:11:21.960 like yeah thin it's got like stretch in it like extra stretch it's got like a little v-neck and 1.00

00:11:28.720 a cap sleeve you ever see that kind of merch like when they're selling merch and they're selling

00:11:33.880 like a v-neck is so heinous like a small like basically a baby top i always thought it was

00:11:38.740 weird like annie defranco i remember it had righteous babe merch okay and i was a big annie

00:11:43.340 defranco fan and the tees on her site were like kind of like the woman's tea and it so wasn't

00:11:50.780 what I expected from her brand wasn't the ethos yeah yeah cool dry like what are you I'm picturing

00:11:58.220 myself in a very wide brimmed hat of the right variety I'm picturing myself in a long sleeve

00:12:03.900 like roaming the streets of California I know I need a long sleeve for my walks I guess the

00:12:09.840 skincare stuff to me yeah is a little is like the little way that I get to feel like uh like oh yes

00:12:17.300 I'm a woman and I you know I have a regimen yes like I always say regimen and there's joy in that

00:12:23.240 ritual it's like I have my fancy skincare products but then I'm full slob and it reminds me of when 0.54

00:12:30.180 I went to this bra shop the town shop in like the upper west side of Manhattan I go in I look like 0.67

00:12:35.740 a slob you know I'm just wearing whatever I usually wear and walking around my own neighborhood right

00:12:40.360 at the time and it's like I go in I'm like yeah I'm looking for a bra and I'm like I like this 1.00

00:12:45.060 brand i think i got here last time and i like lifted up my shirt or whatever and she literally

00:12:50.540 goes like oh she was shocked that i had like the expensive bra from their place basically 0.93

00:12:57.720 she was shocked like she thought i was some slob fool some absolute slob and i was like yeah like 1.00

00:13:04.520 this one's kind of like wearing out and she's like oh the empreinte classic or whatever like 0.96

00:13:09.380 oh of course i see you're a woman of leisure yeah pulling you out of the conversation just

00:13:13.520 to send you into what some fans have called

00:13:15.560 their favorite part of the show, the ads.

00:13:24.660 And we're back from the ad.

00:13:27.180 Yes.

00:13:29.060 Oh, speaking of skincare,

00:13:30.640 I've been very fascinated by,

00:13:32.340 well, there's these pollution drops by,

00:13:34.500 what's her name?

00:13:35.800 Strum or Sturm, Barbara Sturm. 0.96

00:13:37.480 Barbara Strum.

00:13:38.960 That's such a like classic,

00:13:41.040 like look,

00:13:42.540 like my dream it's like $300 hyaluronic acid yes and but she has these anti-pollution drops and I

00:13:49.680 was just like okay but then the thing that was compelling to me was there's something in it she

00:13:53.900 acknowledges basically and I've read an article about this you know the digital the effect of

00:13:58.580 screens on our skin oh god see Josh now what you're saying blue light is that you have to

00:14:05.940 wear SPF even when you're just inside on your screen yes you do and actually I felt a sick

00:14:10.960 thrill at the idea that perhaps those raised on screens i'm like the ones who are two years old

00:14:19.480 and on screens hello i'm sorry yes i'm sorry you caught me i truly no no and i truly want you to

00:14:27.400 know for the poog business insider to send to bio essence and vintner's daughter no i want you to

00:14:35.280 know like me catching you so to speak because i want to feel free to catch you it is so you have

00:14:40.240 do i am not offended for one no no but that's what i'm trying to say i'm not offended i don't

00:14:44.880 see it as rude i get it because i have add and like it's like you know and so like i literally

00:14:49.600 get it but i am gonna say it every time and it might include some serious false accusations

00:14:55.440 where you're like i'm staring right at you like before yeah okay like much like before because

00:15:00.380 i don't mind at all however i get self-conscious and lose my thread if i'm unsure if you're hearing

00:15:05.080 me i completely understand and i want to give you and i think it's really funny because it's

00:15:11.580 unusual on a podcast for the person to be like but i was gonna say about the the blue light and

00:15:18.900 all that kind of stuff yeah i was like hoping that like hoping that the the younger millennials i was

00:15:23.160 like oh maybe like because i'm always jealous because i'm like they know like you know i'm an 0.96

00:15:27.900 i'm an older millennial um but i'm like oh they knew like their parents had them fucking covered 0.74

00:15:34.360 in sunscreen since day one and like they're gonna all have like perfect skin and i'm gonna be 0.89

00:15:39.000 furious okay yeah i know because you see the three-year-olds in the bathing suits that are

00:15:43.280 up to the neck and long exactly three-year-olds yeah no like traditional like bathing suits are

00:15:50.280 over and so it's like and why lather up your baby when you can just put them in a long sleeve

00:15:54.840 and they don't know any better yeah you know yeah that's what it's like to swim so but then i was

00:16:01.580 like oh the blue light of the screens is bad for your skin i was like yeah like i'm like those 1.00

00:16:07.880 bitches like i'm like that's where they get it i'm like maybe they'll be worse off because they 1.00

00:16:11.960 were on the ipad oh i get it they're gonna have this whole other skincare issue yeah i was like 0.99

00:16:16.420 i was like thank god thank god things aren't only getting better aren't i sick oh absolutely not

00:16:21.700 they're far worse in fact and the children born today like like they're all eating like horrific

00:16:27.380 food and the world is coming to a screeching halt i really want to get and where can we buy one i 0.99

00:16:33.680 really want a high neck long sleeve bathing suit well i honestly the sun on my legs and my ass i'm 0.86

00:16:40.080 i'm into you're not afraid of though in the in the in the television show the big c starring 0.98

00:16:47.100 laura linney she received don't unless they received but the cancer that was killing her

00:16:52.440 the show was from a you know from something on her leg oh god i mean just go full body

00:17:00.500 i know you're right and i have been this summer neglecting my legs because i'm like oh i like a

00:17:05.640 little color on my legs because my legs are classically so pale they're blue right like

00:17:10.020 you know i've been enjoying a little bit of sun you're some of the palest skin in the game

00:17:14.960 are both your parents very pale no they're not like ghostly pale like you i'm not ghostly pale

00:17:23.080 anymore look no i know i just mean your your kind of natural state okay right right i was looking

00:17:28.940 last night at and maybe i'll reach out that k brand australia they have all these sunglasses

00:17:36.980 but also um blue blocker for scrolling for tv for at home okay it's so and you know i've always

00:17:46.660 wanted glasses you know despite not needing them okay and and i also sometimes feel like my eyes

00:17:54.720 like my corneas are like deeply exposed and so my eyes are always like bloodshot or like dry

00:17:59.640 i actually like sometimes feel like just a basic glass like glasses in front of my face would like

00:18:04.840 protect from some of like what's just blown into them all day by the wind but anyway i'm very

00:18:10.760 interested i'm going to get i want to get some wide wide big framed ones to protect the entire

00:18:16.520 orbital um area from the light and this is another one i'm getting in now so if you want to get in

00:18:26.040 with it with me and then we see where we are in 10 years stocks oh no not stocks not not

00:18:31.040 other buying stocks and blue light glasses no no i mean i mean you know the investment into

00:18:37.940 your skin care where 10 years from now i'm going well i did the blue blockers wow yeah let me know

00:18:43.800 i would like to get them if you get them to protect our orbital cuff or whatever it is that

00:18:48.720 you just called our eyes i know i couldn't land on on uh i couldn't land on the noun i needed i

00:18:55.060 do feel kind of a ruthlessness that's positive right now of need to shed things like me going

00:19:01.300 through my dream of the nightstand of the abalone shell and the and the book and like the hand cream

00:19:06.720 i'm like i want to be her do you have a vanity table a devoted vanity table no i've always

00:19:13.420 wanted a devoted vanity table i don't i need a jewelry box i don't have expensive jewelry but

00:19:20.700 i have like jewelry and i need to it mine's always like tangled with like a hair in the bottom of a

00:19:26.980 purse yeah like a bobby pin and like a gum you know what i hate gum in the purse okay and i just

00:19:33.600 mean fully packaged makes the entire purse smell like gum i hate that yeah i mean i don't carry

00:19:39.440 gum because of my jaw issues either do i frankly i do love mouth spray though breath spray oh my

00:19:47.780 god binaka from the 80s well i'm very 80s i don't know anyone else except myself who always has

00:19:53.400 breast spray on them that's such a relic of the past truly i always have it's an organic mint

00:19:58.340 spray that i just get like at whole foods but i always spray it in there i really feel like

00:20:05.180 something like i'm getting a like a spring cleaning bug coming on low where i'm like i

00:20:09.360 want to get rid of stuff i'm feeling it me too i vacuumed and mopped every floor in my home the

00:20:16.040 other day and it was deeply spiritual with a traditional mop with a traditional vacuum and a

00:20:20.980 traditional mop my god bucket of water i'm shocked by the bucket because that always seems like

00:20:25.720 terrifying the bucket i've always been too scared oh you know what we haven't done

00:20:30.300 yet and we we should is essentially like whether it's segment or full episode which

00:20:37.680 full episode could be really funny not exactly the remote recording right because it would be

00:20:42.560 in our homes but essentially like you

00:20:44.540 and me each cleaning out a closet together

00:20:46.460 live so fun like we

00:20:48.540 read again we read sparks joy

00:20:50.740 and we I mean I you know

00:20:52.520 I'm not really in the mood for that one but like

00:20:54.440 you know what I'm saying no but I'm also us in the tub

00:20:56.680 doing clearing bath and we

00:20:58.500 record that well I also just really want

00:21:00.620 like you

00:21:01.980 literally going through your whole skincare

00:21:04.220 you know like I want like and now I'm dropping this

00:21:06.580 on and now I'm doing this you know that's fun

00:21:08.540 I mean I could do that

00:21:10.200 I could do a version of that 0.54

00:21:12.560 Well, I think also I also was thinking of and I want to get into Gua Sha and do we get some free Gua Shas.

00:21:20.500 I just feel like Gua Sha can be like can be about SPF.

00:21:24.720 I mean, that's the thing.

00:21:25.440 It's like we can talk about these products all we want.

00:21:27.940 We can talk about the skin care at the end of the day. 0.99

00:21:30.220 It's staying out of the goddamn sun. 0.99

00:21:33.060 And speak of mineral sunscreen. 0.99

00:21:34.760 I am a fan of the line Supergoop.

00:21:37.640 Yeah.

00:21:38.700 And I enjoy their stuff.

00:21:39.700 I really like their they have a matte tinted SPF that I wear yeah I'm oily so I love the

00:21:44.520 matte gives me just a it's not makeup but it feels like a little something on there

00:21:48.100 I really like their body oil that's SPF 50 and it's an oil that's shocking what do you

00:21:53.800 mean you don't like it no I mean like no I know I'm impressed but well I'm always they

00:21:58.320 have a few products where I'm like can this really be like you know like the powder application

00:22:02.400 I forget if they have that I love that I love the SPF powder yeah it feels like that's not

00:22:08.300 the only SPF I'm wearing but that's something I'm doing on top as a dusting and and I like the body

00:22:14.460 oil it's SPF 50 and I like I love their they have a stick that you can like keep in your car your

00:22:20.820 purse and so you can like rub it on the backs of your hands or rub it on your chest or your arms

00:22:24.880 and that's something that's great the switch to the mineral or the higher content of mineral

00:22:30.780 versus chemical yeah is um because there have been some complaints about the negative negative

00:22:39.540 effects of the chemical sunscreen on the skin which right being very toxic if you're doing it

00:22:44.840 for for vanity reasons as is and it just makes sense because it's just like the mineral is just

00:22:51.600 like a layer of blockage i guess hence the term sunblock back in the day okay it's time for an ad

00:23:00.760 Buckle up, you freaks.

00:23:10.460 Back from the ad break, as you can tell, more skincare now.

00:23:14.080 I woke up today being like, Kate, listen to me very carefully.

00:23:18.780 You are not letting sun on your face.

00:23:20.920 Ever again. 1.00

00:23:21.840 Ever again, bitch. 1.00

00:23:22.880 No, I'm like furious. 1.00

00:23:24.600 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, the last few months in quarantine,

00:23:29.020 i've been going on my walks i have sunscreen on but i'm going on walks without a hat when what

00:23:34.560 like no kate kate don't i talk such a big talk about spf about sun damage okay and yet i've been

00:23:44.740 getting a little loosey-goosey during quarantine the the sunscreen's on okay but who knows i sweat

00:23:50.180 it off whatever this morning in the mirror i look there's like a full brown like like essentially

00:23:54.920 what some would call freckle and i'm like what's all my work for i'm furious i'm starting i like

00:24:01.260 i'm like cool i have sunspots near my eyes and like new and so again i've just been because of

00:24:08.380 the horror of quarantine the walk with the direct sunlight on my face i was like i need this

00:24:14.080 yeah but i was just going i mean for months jacqueline you can get like vitamin d deficient

00:24:20.360 like for real i remember in new york like if i had a physical after the winter so it'd have to be

00:24:26.320 no and that's my whole thing like i'm gonna try to get it all in through like my i was just gonna

00:24:30.900 say through the soles okay i have my feet and like the back of my legs now you can like have

00:24:36.060 problems there like like it's almost like i guess you gotta keep changing up where you put it but

00:24:41.380 i'm just like i just wait this reminded me of something have you ever taken it i'm not kidding 0.98

00:24:46.820 right into dead center of your vagina not yet it feels not yet i know that's a that's a thing 0.95

00:24:53.420 right but i wonder if that's dangerous oh i don't know i didn't do it like as a thing i just 0.99

00:24:58.000 literally was in a room where there was a lot of direct i thought you i thought you told me that

00:25:04.060 you saw online a practice called like no okay i know i know what i saw because it was going around

00:25:10.760 And it's, of course, it's like psychos who are like, you can eat like, you just like stare into the sun and then you won't need lunch.

00:25:20.160 It's like sun gazing and you like stare.

00:25:23.000 Yeah, it's like stare into the sun and you'll lose 20. 0.97

00:25:27.920 No, taking it through the vagina was truly just I happened to be on a bed in a room where there was a direct ray of light. 0.97

00:25:35.680 And I was like, whoa. 0.98

00:25:36.780 And it did feel great.

00:25:38.260 But then I was a little concerned.

00:25:39.680 don't you have a plan i feel like i heard this through our friend john early about protecting

00:25:45.020 the decolletage well all we have as women as women are our necks so sad we live in a horrible

00:25:51.120 society we live in a society that is categorically against women and unfortunately we have to protect

00:25:58.660 our necks it'll cost well john early told me okay that your plan was to not let the sun touch your

00:26:05.320 neck okay or they call it taj okay like you protect it you don't need to show your cleavage 0.99

00:26:10.480 now whatever and then like at 65 you debut it you debut it like like fuck y'all like look at this 0.99

00:26:19.860 and it's perfect it's never seen the sun that's so are you furious yeah well listen i do really 0.95

00:26:26.340 protect it from the sun and actually one of the greatest compliments of my life is my facialist

00:26:32.040 when i first started going to her she was like wow i would expect you to have a lot more sun

00:26:35.660 damage on your neck and chest considering you're from california and i was like say it again because 0.93

00:26:40.520 i'm gonna have a hands-free orgasm and so i do yeah but of course it sees sun of course it sees 0.97

00:26:47.720 sun and i'm like am i really gonna be one of those people who's walking around the long sleeve 0.83

00:26:51.060 shirt i guess i'm going to be i do try not to wear like i am aware when i go on longer walks

00:26:57.340 to wear like a high neck at least a t-shirt so the sun's not right on my neck and chest because i i

00:27:02.560 really want to avoid and i i don't i i i want to avoid needles and all of that so i'm like right

00:27:08.640 stay out of the sun since the vanity isn't going away and you can work on that whatever i mean like

00:27:12.860 we can work on like you know you know vanity ain't going anywhere yeah whatever i had this

00:27:18.920 fantasy about like fully like this idea that i would do full old age makeup okay like really

00:27:24.860 deep and go into it and like take photos and like embrace the eventuality of old age like

00:27:30.060 goddess photos of me but like as like a wise crone okay and like accept that now instead of

00:27:36.680 it being this kind of like unknown like i thought it would be a really fun like healing activity

00:27:41.480 well well i have to tell you that i did a project in which i had full age makeup good age makeup

00:27:49.960 I must say and after I wrapped as we say in the industry I spent like an hour in my dressing room

00:27:56.860 staring in the mirror and it was actually like deeply existential and really scary for a minute

00:28:01.960 because I was like it was it was wild and then I like took and then I took like pictures of me in

00:28:07.360 like my underwear with my old face it was kind of amazing but then there was something amazing about

00:28:13.900 facing that because i've also i don't i mean of course i fear aging like anyone but i i actually

00:28:20.680 feel i don't fix it on age in a way that i don't really worry that much i mean like i do i i do

00:28:30.300 think protect the neck and then when you're 65 and you have your wrinkles and all of that it's

00:28:36.160 sexy because you've aged but then you also have that little flash of young neck yeah i mean yeah

00:28:43.180 i'd rather protect the neck than the face well i'm not protecting the face trust me i'm trying

00:28:47.700 to protect the face at all costs what about face face before neck okay sorry it was becoming

00:28:55.280 unclear no i know i realized i was not being clear but i just mean that like there's something

00:29:00.920 there's something hotter to you about an aged wrinkle like annette benning like sexy woman face

00:29:05.400 with like with a neck with a younger decolletage than like a super botox 1.00

00:29:11.840 face with like yeah yeah yeah i mean and the hands i was thinking am i gonna get driving gloves

00:29:19.900 do we need to get driving for years you don't want to drive like they recorrected me and said

00:29:24.560 like that you can't get like burned through the window and it was like no certain rays are and

00:29:30.440 i was like oh yes i was spraying like chemicals on the screen like my friend was like choking in

00:29:33.980 the car like i was like but i'm like you know i do there is that feeling of like oh like i'm already 0.67

00:29:39.700 fucked you know so many years and then trust me today i was spiraling about the quarantine walks 0.74

00:29:45.600 with no i had a fantasy that we could we could do together okay and i don't know how much it costs 0.98

00:29:50.760 so that's a consideration but whatever the one is whatever the one is that's like the lasering or

00:29:57.700 the whatever of the whole face and neck okay let's just say and it's the kind where i believe like

00:30:02.560 you can't you know you know you look like you can't go out for like a month you know what i

00:30:07.580 mean oh where they like burn off a layer of your face yeah now i feel like we burn off a layer of

00:30:12.800 our face and neck okay particularly now i mean okay you know when we're not now is are you kidding

00:30:19.080 me i like i have some burst blood vessels on my face i was thinking about getting taken care of

00:30:22.900 in quarantine so let's say we we were to get a full proper like peel off a deep layer and then 0.93

00:30:30.900 protect the ever-loving shit out of it 0.98

00:30:33.500 slash ourselves from here on out. 0.98

00:30:35.920 So we get

00:30:36.400 a fresh start.

00:30:39.160 We get as fresh a start as we can.

00:30:41.260 And then, you know what I mean?

00:30:42.000 Like clear.

00:30:43.540 But isn't there something to be said about

00:30:45.220 protecting this layer

00:30:46.980 and then burning that off in a few years?

00:30:50.720 I don't think there's any benefit

00:30:52.180 to waiting because I feel like

00:30:53.740 the damaged parts are only

00:30:55.920 going to get more damaged. So I feel like

00:30:57.700 shed the layer of skin.

00:30:59.320 I see like like shed shed what you can and then we gotta get a skin we gotta get a skin expert on

00:31:07.120 here I mean is your facialist but your facialist is a facialist she's amazing she's also a reiki

00:31:12.680 master see that's interesting to me I love the idea of people master energy healing like sneaking

00:31:18.720 it on you while they're doing other services by the way my mother who is 76 soon and looks

00:31:26.820 incredible and has never had an ounce of work doesn't even wear makeup like honestly like i 0.99

00:31:32.960 think the secrets are her i don't even know i mean it's jeans obviously and everything but she just 0.97

00:31:37.280 like and then i dawned on me two years ago or a year ago i was like go to her goddamn facialist

00:31:43.160 that she's been going to for the last 20 years you know and so i'm going to her i love her 0.90

00:31:49.620 and yeah she's a reiki master she does microcurrent facials on me which i love i once heard this woman

00:31:56.100 i believe it was dr mona lisa schultz okay on her program i think on hay house radio i'm big

00:32:02.800 fan of hay house radio um she's a medical intuitive so she does readings and i take no time to stop

00:32:09.440 and preface with you know it could all be bullshit whatever i'm going to give it to you on her terms 0.86

00:32:14.760 medical intuitive she will do these readings where she'll go through basically your body 0.98

00:32:19.520 slash field wow and she does it in this way that's like she's like adrenals she's like

00:32:25.960 she's like adrenals liver she's like heart kidney you know what i mean like whatever 0.88

00:32:30.180 okay have you had this call no but i would listen to her do it on the phone to callers i mean

00:32:36.140 the call-in culture of these shows i would listen to so outrageous because i couldn't get enough

00:32:42.660 and there's the judging the caller on whether they get it and me judging whether they get

00:32:48.960 the teacher's work okay yeah and just the the whole thing you know and then like every call

00:32:55.040 starts with like hello like it's like and and i mean the classic turn down your radio like there's

00:33:01.300 an echo turn down your radio is a classic okay oh my god and then so she'd do these readings

00:33:06.940 goes through and it'll be like you know something's up with your kidney whatever okay the idea being

00:33:12.900 that like problems start on the level of the energy field okay and if you don't address them

00:33:18.340 on that level, they will eventually manifest in the body. So it's kind of like come to me before

00:33:26.640 it's manifested in your body. It's this idea that the body's like the record of the past.

00:33:32.920 Love that. Okay. And so like if you change your emotional, whatever, it's like going to take some

00:33:37.520 time for the body to catch up. Like anyway. So Mona Lisa Schultz, I think someone called maybe

00:33:44.760 talking about all of their allergies and intolerances and you know all that kind of

00:33:51.400 stuff right and it was like their diet was reduced to you know she's like why don't you try calling

00:33:56.420 your father and tell him you're angry at him yeah so she made the point that and I I really want to

00:34:03.940 be clear that I like I'm furious when I mention like one of my anaphylactic allergies okay and

00:34:11.320 i literally don't i'm not saying specifically because i have this fear that like someone's

00:34:14.980 gonna a member of the public will like come to kill me via my allergy so i don't like talking

00:34:19.140 about it publicly you're like having dinner at the drac hotel in chicago and someone like puts 0.56

00:34:23.960 a little sends a cocktail my way um so like i'm so irritated when people are like did your mother

00:34:31.980 like try to avoid giving you certain foods and now you're like the weak millennial okay like

00:34:36.720 All that kind of stuff. Absolutely not. My mother considered none of those things like at all. That is so not it. However, I thought it was pretty compelling. This idea she was saying wasn't about allergies. It was actually more about just like, I can't eat this. I can't eat this. I can't eat this. I can't eat this. You know, toxins. OK. And it was all this fear.

00:34:54.700 and Mona Lisa Schultz basically was like your fear is the problem okay and that

00:35:01.600 if you believe that all these foods are a danger to you then when you intake them your body

00:35:09.600 produces the antibodies or you know produces whatever the inflammation or the autoimmune

00:35:15.000 kind of thing I know that I can already hear people I mean it's incredibly dangerous to

00:35:21.200 suggest no of course people's response is their fault or something that if they just believe i

00:35:25.000 don't mean but the piece that i took from it that i thought was interesting was she was almost saying

00:35:30.200 like if you eat junk food okay but you're like this is good this is nursing me okay without fear

00:35:37.300 like i think that's really real in the sense that like as you know um i famously have no dietary

00:35:42.480 restrictions and i don't believe that any you should internally label any food as like bad

00:35:48.380 like right yeah of course you can be like oh whenever i eat dairy this happens to me or

00:35:52.920 something but it's like i eat anything and everything and again i'm just lucky i don't

00:35:57.920 have like disordered eating you know more than the average bird right but i think that like it's 0.91

00:36:05.020 about taking pleasure in food which women like right yes just like reclaiming food as pleasure 1.00

00:36:10.020 right which is like inherently radical as a woman because food is you know of course weaponized 1.00

00:36:14.520 against us or used as a structure to control women um and so like the slice of cake of like 1.00

00:36:20.660 beautiful cake it's like enjoy it eat it and it like won't hurt you like the cake is not gonna

00:36:26.680 hurt you if you're terrified of it if you're terrified of it and you're seizing up and you're

00:36:31.080 like eating it in this way of like eating it as self-mutilation or having dessert as some kind of

00:36:35.940 like forbidden act it's like god then of course it's gonna like sit weird in your body but if

00:36:41.680 we're just like oh my god this like delicious cake is like delicious and like it's pleasurable for me

00:36:48.920 well there's that like sometimes you're feeding the soul that kind of thing like

00:36:53.140 also the preparation of food like if prepared with love and the love is poured into the food

00:36:58.440 remember on um did you watch true blood at least the first season never saw a single frame oh my

00:37:03.440 god you must i mean at least the first season just the first season alone i stand by the first season

00:37:10.020 like i just i love it but anyway the grandmother has like made this um pecan pie and the love is

00:37:17.220 poured into it and and then there's a thing where with the funeral and like the casserole of like

00:37:22.300 the jealous woman or something like i don't know and like that one is like nothing but like hate

00:37:26.140 and gossip is like in the food yeah yeah the intentionality of the chef right cannot be

00:37:32.900 underestimated i think wow wow all right i i think we've done a beautiful dip into skincare

00:37:40.300 oh haven't we this is poog i guess this is poog that was the skincare episode part two

00:37:50.340 on the eagerly awaited skincare episode part two people were begging uh despite knowing that it

00:37:56.580 was coming i'm actually this is a little performative act it's a bit controversial

00:38:00.700 I'm recording this having not listened to it

00:38:03.540 I've listened twice

00:38:04.480 so it's almost this kind of embedded lie

00:38:06.240 that here I am at the end going

00:38:08.120 oh wasn't that fun

00:38:09.480 meanwhile I actually can't wait to hear it

00:38:11.180 because it feels like a past life when we record it then

00:38:13.660 no it was 0.94

00:38:14.580 and I have a god damn list of things to cover 0.94

00:38:17.920 you know just a couple 0.96

00:38:19.480 this is not apologetic

00:38:22.740 but I occasionally notice something when I speak

00:38:25.020 and I go what was that

00:38:25.980 and I do feel that I do a disservice to freckles

00:38:28.760 at one point in the episode

00:38:29.760 okay i i imply oh god a freckle has appeared you know what hell right and i do want to acknowledge

00:38:35.000 obviously freckles are glorious like i've been complimented on mine blah blah blah right

00:38:39.120 but they represent to me that i have not been protecting i've not been blocking the sun

00:38:43.980 brutal thing and i have not um two i have news okay you ready you ready yeah i won't say two

00:38:51.680 because you know anyway are you ready for this look what i got new visor she's holding up a visor 0.92

00:38:58.520 wow that is a deeply amish so what do i look like you look like the um the goddamn okay that's i 0.94

00:39:06.620 look like something what disney no i know what it is it's a disney like the cartoon clams and 0.96

00:39:12.380 oh yeah i do look like a clam a bearded clam i always say i'm as happy as a bearded clam

00:39:17.520 i'm wearing a sun visor wide brim sun right okay to me it's not a visor unless it's over five and

00:39:23.340 a half inches do you see what i'm saying it's not a brim they love to say wide brim and yet

00:39:27.980 you know like oh four inches and well cool so the very hairline is the only thing that's covered

00:39:33.920 so you're saying the sun will not hit your chin if you're wearing that i believe so and you know

00:39:37.400 you know why else i got this you know i also got 36 sheets of uh 12 by 12 acetate and those

00:39:43.760 what's acid okay acetate is clear plastic you know like a the kind you'd lay on a projector

00:39:50.060 in 92 okay okay why'd you get that to create a combo face slash um covid shield that i can

00:40:00.140 eat behind you see if the brim is wide enough okay i could actually eat behind this thing

00:40:05.880 if the acetate hangs down oh my god we can get we can get video this for the people i mean they

00:40:11.000 do need to see and i also i think it making maybe we'll be making covid merch poog visors

00:40:15.940 already listeners are writing in we want the merch they are and oh and then the other thing

00:40:19.760 is i mean skincare one scared a lot of people the fear-mongering about oil oxidizing okay the

00:40:24.580 loose rumors of oxidation and i looked it up and i was able to find a competing argument okay and

00:40:30.760 basically them saying well it's really not gonna oxidize i mean basically spf was the answer again

00:40:35.520 and then and so the jury's out on oil the jury's out on oil i hate to say it i still say squalene

00:40:40.800 at all costs i'm using squalene i have to i wanted to shout out um may lindstrom who makes

00:40:45.160 incredible fancy face oils and um i'm excited to kind of experiment with her oils fear-free wow

00:40:52.340 i also am using the biosense squalane but i will also be further experimenting with oils well i'm

00:40:59.100 still gonna avoid let that in the court of law i am open to experimenting with oils okay well in a

00:41:04.720 court of law i remain fearful okay by the way you've embedded fear now into the everyday for me

00:41:09.940 and I will never be free from the fear of oil and Jacqueline completely told me I had a new

00:41:16.060 oil product and she said I would use it on the bottom of your feet that was the only place you

00:41:20.360 thought it was suitable that's the only place it's suitable where the sun can't touch it

00:41:24.500 yes soak the the bottom husk and Kate you forgot to tell the people you've started double cleanse

00:41:30.580 oh my god I could honestly break down in tears okay so I um not to brag but I have been shooting

00:41:37.620 a project um and so i have a lot of makeup on and here i have well i should just say that i have

00:41:45.100 felt for years now that my skin's not getting clean enough and i've just kind of glazed over

00:41:50.820 and been like i'll deal with that later or been like well it must be getting clean i must be

00:41:54.920 taking off the makeup and the spf double cleansing after our conversation about double cleansing

00:42:00.420 i started double cleansing and i have to say that my skin wasn't clean the double cleanse is what i

00:42:07.800 need the oil i've been using this may lindstrom pendulum potion very who told you you could use

00:42:13.320 that it was me it wasn't you sweetie no remember turn me on to may lindstrom no no no of course not

00:42:18.660 okay i don't even know who that is okay no i'm saying we were on the phone okay no i'm saying

00:42:22.260 we were on the phone okay we had work to do we had advertisers to reach out to okay and you were

00:42:26.840 on soco glam looking at dense oh i was panicking on cleansers and you said i already have an oil

00:42:31.920 cleanser will that do and despite the consumerist instincts i i said i believe it will do yeah no

00:42:38.260 no so i've been using it not really and so i use that and then i i've been using a a green tea

00:42:44.000 foaming cleanser that you sent me that i believe is on thank you glam and my skin is clean neogen

00:42:50.260 okay and then i do and then i've been doing i didn't send that i made kate buy it herself

00:42:54.360 our editor is broken in to say you're sending products to everyone no i make kate pay up no i

00:42:58.880 paid out of pocket it was ten dollars theta i sent a few items too i won't lie it was and then i've

00:43:03.140 been also using some some essence i have a fancy friend who had an sk2 brand new bottle in her

00:43:08.560 bathroom and was like oh do you want this and i didn't want to just leap for it with my greedy

00:43:12.900 hands and scream and like drop it out of you know excitement so i did a hyper performance of being

00:43:17.920 casual and going oh you don't want it um yeah no no i'll try it no that's huge meanwhile 1.00

00:43:24.160 my heart was pounding i was like this bitch is giving up sk2 essence she doesn't even know what 1.00

00:43:29.720 it is you were afraid that it would cue her that it was gold and she shouldn't get rid of it yeah 1.00

00:43:33.940 if i had started you know yammering and ecstasy at the thought of it being mine she would have

00:43:39.140 easily gone actually maybe i'll experiment with this myself so and i've been doing which i used

00:43:44.020 to classically do which is saving things to the point that they spoil like well i can't use that

00:43:47.860 it's not special you know and then it that's like a fairy that's like not a fairy tale but uh one

00:43:52.840 of those whatever lesson stories she saved it to the point where it's spoiled what's the psychology

00:43:58.760 behind that because as a child i wouldn't unwrap my christmas presents i kept presents for years

00:44:03.760 it was a couple you can't be serious and the family allowed it completely serious so i

00:44:08.800 celebrated christmas okay so one year my mom did this exquisite wrapping it was a little tower of

00:44:15.140 presents small presents like you know yeah it was so beautiful i refused to open it and i'm not

00:44:20.400 kidding and sat in the living room for and i will ask her i will cross reference but i'm i'm actually

00:44:25.280 completely confident saying it was at least three years they didn't see this as a psychological

00:44:29.900 problem that they needed to push you through i was nurtured to the point of destruction as we know

00:44:34.400 so i so it was dismissed literally much like the product do you see the metaphor here of course i

00:44:40.860 do you're the unwrapped present to them that sat spoiling the original meaning to be spoiled my

00:44:46.740 parents i'm the unwrapped present i don't know it was analogous i understand i saw it flashed in my

00:44:51.520 mind a moment ago i saw with pure clarity that it was the same and now i've lost it i'm not getting

00:44:55.200 but but i will say that the presence remained unwrapped in my living room for years okay and

00:45:00.800 then one night this was so sad so yes no it was many many years it could have been five years

00:45:07.260 because what happened was that one night i was a high school kid i think i was like 16 17 and i had

00:45:12.440 kids over for a party my parents weren't home damn okay and i look up and my friend's boyfriend

00:45:17.720 is unwrapping and i was like no not only am i was he drunk and yeah high yeah yes and beyond his

00:45:27.800 moral instincts because and i had to look over and laugh with abandon no i had to look over and laugh

00:45:34.740 with abandon oh haha why why would i care right inside my heart was breaking and can you believe 0.99

00:45:42.980 it can you believe that little piece of shit no one time a boyfriend of mine okay knowing how i 0.98

00:45:47.840 feel about food reached a crop we got it we waited online after school at a pizza place i got my slice 0.99

00:45:52.760 and then he came and he sat down he picked up my slice and i was in such shock that i didn't um

00:45:58.480 and he stuffed it comically without a smile okay with dead serious eyes stuffed it comically to

00:46:04.560 the point where the entire predominant triangle was in him okay so he wasn't even enjoying it it

00:46:13.360 was a sick and violent taking of my pizza so sick when my mother was a child she waited online for

00:46:20.360 you know two hours in an amusement park okay for cotton candy i'm scared gets it okay gets it is

00:46:25.920 walking back someone rolls someone rolls by on a man a bicycle it was a man rolls by on a bicycle

00:46:31.080 and just grabs the cotton candy right off the stick i mean those are the kinds of stories and

00:46:35.240 they didn't get back in line they didn't get back in line makes me weird i mean two hours for cotton

00:46:39.100 candy is completely i mean it was probably 30 deserve to be punished yeah yeah family legend

00:46:44.440 as you know like you're like your family member fermente or whatever fermente fed mean my great

00:46:49.880 uncle fed mean who had his eye knocked out of his skull from a champagne cork bottle okay so now

00:46:58.380 My whole life, whenever we were ordering champagne, opening champagne, my mother was like, 0.98

00:47:03.080 Fermin.

00:47:03.740 When you order the champagne or when someone's about to open it?

00:47:05.900 Just this fear around the opening of the champagne.

00:47:08.120 By the way, did your family open a lot of champagne?

00:47:10.080 I don't mean to be weird.

00:47:11.460 My mom exclusively drinks champagne.

00:47:13.420 Because I don't think a bottle of champagne has ever been opened in my house.

00:47:16.840 Oh, we only do bubbly in my house.

00:47:18.280 They enjoy, they drink some wine, they whatever.

00:47:21.300 Well, my dad doesn't drink, like never has.

00:47:23.700 Yeah.

00:47:23.960 He's like, tastes like poison.

00:47:25.300 I'm like, yes. 0.71

00:47:26.080 No, like a child.

00:47:26.820 No, he like hates it.

00:47:27.820 he's been drunk like five times in his whole life i mean he is awake and baked stoner but he

00:47:31.920 absolutely does not drink alcohol and my mom exclusively drinks and when i say champagne i'm

00:47:37.440 not referring of course as we know champagne is has to be from the region of champagne in france 0.96

00:47:41.220 right no some bastardized oh yeah all these fools champagne champagne champagne yeah but i say but i 0.97

00:47:47.860 also because i love to i love to play with the peasants in the bottom of the titanic you know 0.99

00:47:52.100 in the basement and i'll call it champagne also wait wait we have to talk about her toes and that

00:47:57.620 okay we have to talk about her feet when she goes up on her toes i was awake in the night thinking

00:48:01.760 about this when she goes on point continue okay wait she doesn't go on point but yeah no she does

00:48:06.640 okay oh right of course and then she's like ow ow because she's so drunk yeah so so so i just want

00:48:11.340 to clarify because it's so important i truly thought about it with disgust the other night

00:48:14.420 okay i was like angry and questioning it and then went back the other way in my mind philosophically

00:48:18.240 and here was the question okay so in titanic yeah um uh kate winslow's character goes down

00:48:23.800 because she's you know with leo who's uh you know a stowaway on the ship right yeah is he an actual

00:48:28.780 stowaway no he's not a stowaway but he's like has like the cheapest ticket with a ticket yeah

00:48:33.240 but he has a ticketed passenger he is a ticketed passenger no but but he nonetheless he's in

00:48:38.300 steerage yeah yeah right yeah i think he's like he gets a ticket and so he's down there and so

00:48:44.720 she's she's roughing it you know she's roughing it with them down there she goes down there and

00:48:48.300 there's a wild for the first time like the savages are they singing like irish folk tunes or is that 0.93

00:48:52.660 just like in my imagination like knees slapping it's like accordion and banjo and shit yeah and 0.92

00:49:00.300 like you know like of course like her like you know her stuck-up victorian lifestyle like this

00:49:04.720 is like freeing her and thrilling her and her eyes are wide she's about to get with what's

00:49:08.660 have sex for the first time yeah truly and and then and then it's of course and this is what

00:49:14.500 was disgusting to me in retrospect okay is that of course she felt oh you know like that she's 0.97

00:49:19.320 gonna go to the center of the room she's gonna take the spotlight yeah okay among all the boys

00:49:24.060 and show and show that she too like that there's a connection between them they are the same okay 0.99

00:49:30.720 yeah because she's gonna show them a wild dance move that she's got and it's her going she lifts 1.00

00:49:34.900 her skirts okay up beyond the ankle oh my god and slowly dramatically goes up onto points she's a 1.00

00:49:40.300 trained ballerina from youth in europe whatever okay i guess she was american but they all scream 0.99

00:49:45.460 and they've never seen anything like it because of course those steerage boys i've never heard of 0.95

00:49:50.540 ballet and it's also this kind of thing of like look at the look what the female body can endure

00:49:55.720 you know it's like women are so tough we can go on point that was also this weird annoying thing

00:50:00.040 about ballet are people like ballerinas they're the ones that really because by the way by the

00:50:04.340 way it's true okay no it's true like there's no greater athlete yeah they're like i'd like to see

00:50:10.040 a football player oh yeah go to the lincoln center every thursday for 18 years or whatever

00:50:16.480 yeah ballerinas it's tough no no sorry but keep going oh that's all i got she goes on to her

00:50:22.080 the tips of toes it's true okay amazing amazing um yeah all right let's wrap it up as they say

00:50:28.280 this was great

00:50:29.260 I love the memories

00:50:30.400 this was a joy

00:50:31.120 Pug is a joy

00:50:31.860 and I just want to say

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00:50:34.400 this is an ongoing

00:50:35.200 endless conversation

00:50:36.240 and so we will be here again

00:50:38.020 and let that be a comfort

00:50:39.580 let that be a comfort 0.50

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - December 01, 2020

Skincare Pt. 2

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