Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Sometimes It's Personal

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00:01:05.520 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:07.000 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:08.100 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.880 Two untamable intellects.

00:01:14.660 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:01:15.500 This is our hell.

00:01:16.380 This is our naked desire for free products.

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00:01:20.100 Today's topic?

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00:01:22.220 Feet up. 0.68

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00:01:25.920 Hey

00:01:28.840 Good afternoon

00:01:31.480 Good afternoon

00:01:32.740 You know I think you're going to be proud of me

00:01:34.820 Whenever I buy things I think of you

00:01:37.680 I think that you'd be proud

00:01:38.800 Like for example

00:01:40.040 There's this new makeup line I'm really curious about

00:01:42.900 As we all know I'm not an Ilya ambassador

00:01:45.660 But I might as well be because I'm obsessed with Ilya

00:01:47.700 You cannot be serious

00:01:49.580 That you're bringing up

00:01:50.380 You've brought up Ilya as though it's new

00:01:53.840 you're like uh guys well no no i was gonna say so but i have a new interest which is jones road

00:02:00.620 which is bobby brown's green makeup line oh right right right i recall this a makeup artist used a

00:02:08.600 lip on me that i really loved and then i just bought out of pocket paid through the nose for

00:02:13.060 a it's like a body or skin bronzer thing i'm just laughing at how it's coming pocket and obviously

00:02:20.560 through the nose has become like huge for us like the idea of out of pocket which of course is like

00:02:24.780 what payment is right the idea of like out of out of pocket being a last resort i just wanted to say

00:02:31.420 this thing that occurred to me when i went to the water which was the two things that have occurred

00:02:35.400 for me um that i think reveal depletion okay one found myself sitting there thinking oh maybe i'm

00:02:46.600 premenstrual right right like the mood the whole thing and I found myself like sitting there and

00:02:51.420 going like thinking about the date and going like yeah no it should really this seems and then

00:02:56.680 remembering I had a tampon in I'm on my period you forgot that you're on your period yeah so much so

00:03:03.920 that I wondered if I was premenstrual I mean that's something wow for me you remembered in

00:03:10.400 the moment or like 20 minutes later you were in the bathroom and well I'd thought at once no no I

00:03:16.160 I actually don't remember when I remembered.

00:03:18.900 Second level.

00:03:20.020 Next, hotel room.

00:03:21.560 Okay, you ready for this?

00:03:22.640 Yeah.

00:03:22.900 You know when there's the room to the other room?

00:03:25.800 Yeah, the adjoining door?

00:03:27.400 Yeah.

00:03:27.860 It's scary.

00:03:28.760 It's scary.

00:03:29.400 It's terrifying.

00:03:30.780 And by the way, thank God, there's two doors there.

00:03:33.880 Oh, I know.

00:03:34.780 It's important to remember.

00:03:35.800 Oh, I found out the hard way.

00:03:37.400 It's a door that opens to a door.

00:03:40.740 No, I mean, it's two doors.

00:03:42.040 I don't mean it's...

00:03:43.460 Wait, what did you mean?

00:03:44.380 no you if you were to unlatch it and open it there's another door there yeah yeah you're not

00:03:49.440 automatically in it's sort of automatically in a man's room safety i guess right it saves this

00:03:54.440 form of safety but although i guess i don't know it's an odd idea anyway i was leaving i was leaving

00:04:00.640 my room the other night it was kind of dark and i opened the door and the hallway just looks so

00:04:06.580 dark but i'm like it is what it is i guess and i took a step you know through a doorway into the

00:04:12.640 darkness and smashed into a door it was a black door no no no so i'd opened i'd opened the adjoining

00:04:21.640 door was it the middle of the night no what time was it evening i mean what was going on oh you

00:04:28.120 just i see i see okay mood yeah you know and uh that was a pretty big one and it was interesting

00:04:35.480 because that's real dark I mean I mean I mean a black door and that I was like well I guess it's

00:04:43.360 just you know they're keeping it moody and I just off I went foot hit first of course but

00:04:49.600 and then I had a moment where I thought almost like the cement like this was sort of a horror

00:04:53.940 movie like I had a moment of trap panic like the feeling that you've opened a door and there is I

00:05:01.000 it's like a dream absolutely how surreal but the massage you going back for a massage three weeks

00:05:07.640 later the question is how often if massages were this guy's a this guy's a healer okay it's the

00:05:15.740 best massage i've ever had it again massage is the modality through which he's doing work that

00:05:21.140 goes beyond massage in your opinion energetic no no i think it's it is no he's just he's such a

00:05:26.520 good like body worker like and intuitive like hitting things like whoa and i made me today i

00:05:31.660 really like go because normally i'm like that's too hard yeah because i live in fear of like

00:05:35.040 permanent nerve damage and so but i was like just let him and then he was going hard and i had to

00:05:41.940 like really breathe in moments but then right now like no pain no residual pain like it just feels

00:05:45.740 so good so okay this is big for you because you've you've always you know sort of done the opposite

00:05:53.520 of getting your bang for the buck in the massage right i go like i'm like less less yeah and i'm

00:05:58.180 like i don't say i find it too embarrassing to say more i just try to specify up front but like

00:06:03.120 yeah i always want to be sort of brutalized and then and then so and then i try to not wince

00:06:11.160 because i don't want them to pull back i want he's the first person that i've trusted to brutalize me

00:06:15.700 and i truly there are moments where he's on my back where i'm going i'm having to go i'm like

00:06:20.420 but i'm keeping it inside so i was very like i wasn't going to make sounds of pain but i could

00:06:26.980 tell that he could hear me maybe he couldn't but i was doing like intense breathing like trying to

00:06:30.540 work through it yeah and well you try to sneak in an inhale for me and then you try to get an

00:06:35.500 exhale out with the with the sometimes they like like i've had this this one like place i used to

00:06:43.540 go to this foot reflexology place that had really good back massages as well and he would almost

00:06:48.500 like do the breath like guiding you to then like you know exhale when he's about to really

00:06:53.580 oh yeah yeah he did something violent a couple times although i always find again breathing

00:06:59.920 with someone in any capacity like a bit too intimate yeah yeah breathing together well now

00:07:06.380 it's like mouth tape you know everyone's taping their mouth shut at night she breathes the nose

00:07:10.460 i think i was talking about this the other day on poop i think i pitched it to us and and and i'm

00:07:15.400 my brows you know I'm trying some products and they just look too now they look like two stickers

00:07:20.100 they look two brow stickers they look fake your image is degraded to me so I to be honest can't

00:07:24.740 yours is as well to me isn't that interesting

00:07:26.720 I brought home I went to the mouth taping the mouth taping yeah so I'm interested I really am 0.97

00:07:36.240 imagine taping your mouth shut and then you just like die in the night it is something

00:07:40.600 scary about it like what if you just no but you'll just keep you'll just think about it this way I

00:07:44.940 think i do breathe through my nose naturally naturally i don't think lately i've noticed

00:07:50.800 because i've been more conscious of it i'm aware that i breathe through my nose and then also i

00:07:55.140 was kind of falling asleep the other night and i was like you're breathing through your nose like

00:07:58.140 i noticed it as i was drifting oh yeah no i i mostly do i think um but pretty sure that jaw

00:08:06.920 falls open in the night at times i just this one guy this steven lynn guy on instagram he's just

00:08:13.320 he's he his his notions get in like to me what's he what's he saying he's a he's a dentist and

00:08:23.200 he talks a lot about you know tongue posture he's the one that posted the thing i keep bringing up

00:08:28.880 about the tongue being the rudder like like it's almost like your tongue goes all the way down to 0.92

00:08:33.580 your ass it was like and this is and the part you see or feel in your mouth is just the the head 0.98

00:08:40.080 it was almost like that kind of thing you know oh i mean yeah it's really disturbing but 1.00

00:08:46.520 is it look at you drinking out of a jar like a real california it's an air one soup jar oh this

00:08:54.300 is just a little tostito salsa that i now use as a right well i'm deep in the air one i i i tried

00:09:01.440 to save a couple of those and then um and then i i was like whatever let's get real what am i doing

00:09:07.480 with this like and i i moved i moved beyond them i just have a note which is i return them for two

00:09:13.180 bucks a pop what to air one well great you take this to air one didn't know about that they're

00:09:21.340 gonna give you two dollars off your purchase and i was sick and had 20 i about 24 of those so no 0.98

00:09:26.980 don't tell me cool uh don't tell me cool brought them straight to the old recycle fuck oh wait i 0.99

00:09:33.400 have a note here oh how do you feel about this make a killing it could be a new revenue stream 0.99

00:09:40.600 for me i have a note in my pad for you should we be noting micro greens in a menu item when

00:09:46.780 they're barely present okay it's so funny you mean a light dusting because this has been happening

00:09:53.500 to me i ordered something literally i would say a total of you know it's micro greens and you're

00:09:59.400 seeing a total of 12 leaves, micro leaves,

00:10:03.840 resting atop something.

00:10:06.040 You know, I don't know.

00:10:07.680 I guess I was expecting something heading in the direction

00:10:11.680 of a light salad.

00:10:14.000 Yeah, yeah, and it's 16 of them.

00:10:16.360 Can a garnish be?

00:10:17.620 A garnish should not be listed.

00:10:20.220 You and me have had the strange experience recently

00:10:22.020 where we're both texting each other and DMing, sort of.

00:10:24.620 You know this, when you slip into a DM?

00:10:27.460 You're on two channels, yeah.

00:10:29.400 Yeah. Yeah. And because sort of something inside of Instagram, for example, triggers conversation. And then there you are just talking about your day inside the venue of Instagram. It's a very strange sensation.

00:10:40.820 It is.

00:10:41.660 And I won't do it anymore.

00:10:42.760 No, we take it to text. Hey, so I have two things to say. First of all, I've talked on the pod before about my love of Houston's. And that's, I think, the Hillstone restaurant group. It is a chain. Went last night. Unbelievable flavors. Unbelievable service.

00:10:56.720 Still, I'm shocked you love Houston's.

00:10:58.620 Love it so much.

00:10:59.560 It's absolutely delicious.

00:11:01.760 Because I associate with my childhood and my grandfather.

00:11:05.040 Had the filet of soul, was moaning, had the grilled artichokes.

00:11:09.140 Just, you know, just pure heaven.

00:11:11.760 So I was going to say, when you get back to L.A., I want to take you to the Beverly Grill.

00:11:17.000 Because I haven't been in so long.

00:11:18.240 And I think you and I would really have a great time there.

00:11:21.080 Really?

00:11:21.640 And, yeah, it would just be fabulous.

00:11:23.320 but I was going to say, I remember what I wanted to talk about,

00:11:26.320 which was when I was texting you flying high dining alone.

00:11:29.440 So I have to say, so I've dined alone several times in other cities,

00:11:34.980 but I've never had dinner alone in my own city.

00:11:38.580 I think this is true.

00:11:39.900 I've never, yeah, I've never gone out for dinner.

00:11:43.580 Because you've been forced to in other cities, right?

00:11:47.260 Yeah, totally. 0.98

00:11:48.580 As an international businesswoman.

00:11:49.620 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:51.800 And I love that.

00:11:52.800 And I love it.

00:11:53.860 I had to free you because you were worried about leaving community behind.

00:11:57.280 Yeah.

00:11:57.680 Oh, it's heaven.

00:11:59.060 I absolutely love it.

00:12:00.240 In my own town, I really don't do it.

00:12:02.960 And the other night I was.

00:12:04.160 You have infinite friend options, I guess.

00:12:06.980 You and all your friends.

00:12:08.120 Well, I guess if I'm eating out, I want to go do it as a social endeavor.

00:12:13.380 There's something that feels just.

00:12:14.660 I once read a book, a business book called Never Eat Alone.

00:12:19.040 it was basically like it was like you have two to three opportunities every day to network

00:12:25.180 oh god why would you eat alone lunch though to me is never eat alone

00:12:31.820 oh my god really good no i would you know what i would call that book you gotta eat

00:12:36.960 right because it's like genius because that's what you say and i i i've said it's others i

00:12:43.480 well i gotta eat so yeah i guess you might as well i understand although can you ever truly

00:12:48.220 eat with another yes with a few people i can truly argue yes um some of us right right but okay wait

00:12:59.100 so i the other night got out of an engagement i i knew i had to work i was like i gotta go home

00:13:04.020 and write and i thought and i was craving sushi and i was just pick something up and take it home

00:13:07.900 and i thought that felt depressing to me like i don't want to take it home right i was like what

00:13:11.800 if i were to go out and actually eat it from a restaurant yeah like i just i eat i do that

00:13:16.880 plenty i just something i was like no no why not sushi you know and i was really craving it

00:13:21.940 yeah so i went i'm gonna take myself out oh yes this is big i so i went to this place that's

00:13:27.380 really delicious called sogo and i go in i go just one i sit at the we talked actually about

00:13:35.460 the sushi bar and last week's cook and her own thoughts please yeah this restaurant is just a

00:13:40.560 bar it's really beautiful but it's just a bar i go in there i take my seat the only option

00:13:46.460 yeah uh but i go and i take my seat instantly i'm mood elevated suddenly i am virginia wolf

00:13:55.060 over here okay yes a room of one's own it was like instant yeah it was instant okay i made one

00:14:02.240 final final final fatal flaw you've got the prosthetic which was the prosthetic nose okay

00:14:07.700 well you know virginia wolf had a prosthetic nose actually she had a very nicole kidman like nose

00:14:15.080 And then Virginia Woolf, the original one, had Nicole Kidman's nose, but wore a prosthetic.

00:14:20.560 And so that's why Nicole Kidman was cast and then had to wear their best hat.

00:14:23.020 I can't stop now, of course, just thinking about every time I eat alone, like wearing the hat to check Instagram, you know.

00:14:29.880 Anyway, so I.

00:14:31.660 Oh, yes, yes, yes.

00:14:33.060 So I was feeling so refined and so beautiful.

00:14:36.960 And then I took some of the soy sauce to put into my little dish and I overextended and spilled.

00:14:41.880 like it went pouring like i couldn't believe the rate at which the soy sauce poured out so it's a

00:14:45.520 brief moment of humiliation like when you're alone and something like that listeners want to know

00:14:50.220 yeah did you pour and it was the speed of pouring that caused it to fill and overflow

00:14:54.700 or was it the anchor of the torque okay that just sent it straight to the to the to the table

00:15:01.200 no it was the it was the first thing that you said i blame why do i need to know i don't know

00:15:07.120 but that's what happened but do you get any pleasure out of telling me the detail

00:15:11.480 Yes.

00:15:12.200 Does it just feel like a hellish detour?

00:15:15.040 No, no, no, no.

00:15:15.760 No, I love that.

00:15:17.020 That's what happened.

00:15:17.780 It wasn't terrible, but enough poured over that I was like, oh, oh.

00:15:21.520 And then, but it was, but then I was fine.

00:15:23.120 You know, your greatest fears can happen and you're fine.

00:15:25.500 So, but here's what I was going to say is that I was sailing and I was texting you about

00:15:29.300 how wonderful it was.

00:15:30.660 I texted my mother about how wonderful it was.

00:15:32.320 And then I was like, Kate, stop.

00:15:34.040 Just be, just actually just be alone in the experience.

00:15:37.820 Right.

00:15:38.040 I even texted.

00:15:39.120 reaching out for community to talk about being alone i was reaching out and then i even texted

00:15:45.740 um i even texted my mom i was like i'm not just sitting here texting the whole time

00:15:50.480 no and then i turned the phone over right yeah yeah i had to double back and you turned it over

00:15:56.160 you didn't put it in your bag no i sure didn't no i had it not on the table i think that's 0.96

00:16:00.580 disgusting because your phones are literal just vessels of shit so i never i hate when people put 0.98

00:16:05.960 the phone on the table I think it's just like it's such bad manners because it's rude to the 0.99

00:16:09.580 table is what you're saying to the whole I just find it to be like really bad manners I've even

00:16:13.400 been with people and I've said to them like would you mind putting your phone away if I'm really

00:16:16.420 close with them it's just like it's so disgusting to me wait I find it really rude but you turned

00:16:22.300 yours over but no but it wasn't on the table it was on the seat I had a seat next to me where I

00:16:27.100 put some things okay anyway the point is that this is would you ever put your foot up on a public

00:16:31.080 bench? No. Yeah. Cause I just want to feed up on the stuff is hard. And you know, I was traumatized

00:16:38.740 once. Even outdoors. It depends if you, you know, your own shoe. I agree technically, but I felt my

00:16:45.500 foot do it. You know, your shoe is true. It's concrete though. If it's concrete, something

00:16:51.460 changes for me. Can I tell you that I was once humiliated. I was once humiliated by a French,

00:16:56.100 by a french waiter and it changed my life i was in paris i was like 19 years old my friend 20 years 0.99

00:17:02.860 old 1920 your foot where the fuck was your foot that a frenchman to this listen to this oh my 0.97

00:17:09.140 god i can it's it's a visceral memory i can feel the shame and by the way i deserved it it changed 0.98

00:17:13.700 my life forever we're outdoors at a cafe we're outdoors at a cafe and they're like oh my god

00:17:20.240 i'm getting honestly it's making me hot just nervous yeah i'm nervous too my stomach i'm

00:17:25.540 this is horrible. So I was sitting at a table with the rattan, you know, classic courage though,

00:17:31.420 to confess this, this is huge courage. I don't know how it happened. I was 19. I was a fool.

00:17:38.780 I lounged back in my chair and put my feet up on the other chair that was under the table. 0.99

00:17:45.580 Okay. Let's just, let's just, let's just get the truth. So my feet were tucked under the table,

00:17:49.740 but so I was, no, so I was lounging back and I had my feet up on the thing

00:17:54.420 That's a huge question.

00:17:55.600 Yeah.

00:17:56.120 All right.

00:17:56.480 Tell the story and then we'll go back and dissect because there's a lot to hear.

00:18:00.860 I had my feet up on the thing.

00:18:02.040 He comes over to take my order and he goes, oh, my God.

00:18:07.520 Oh, my God.

00:18:08.740 I remember he was clutching his little pad on which to write my order.

00:18:13.020 And he goes, yeah, please.

00:18:17.020 In a French accent.

00:18:19.480 Like, please, please. 1.00

00:18:22.200 I can't do it.

00:18:23.080 No, it was like, he was so ashamed for me.

00:18:26.060 He was so repulsed as he should have been.

00:18:28.540 He could not believe what I was doing.

00:18:31.160 And he didn't even have to, I knew what he was talking about.

00:18:33.320 He knew.

00:18:33.680 And it was so, and I think I just like, out of complete horror, like took my feet down

00:18:38.420 and was like, you know, I don't know what happened, but it changed my life forever.

00:18:43.300 Oh, wait, the whole word was please.

00:18:45.220 He only said please.

00:18:46.440 He just said please.

00:18:48.860 Amazing.

00:18:49.720 Amazing.

00:18:50.620 Oh my God.

00:18:51.900 Anyway.

00:18:52.240 In English. 0.98

00:18:53.080 well yeah in english he knew i was a disgusting american how do you know you're an american 0.99

00:18:57.700 how did he know you were a pig american how do you think honey yeah i was eating funnel cake 0.99

00:19:03.880 with my feet up right he's never had to say s'il vous plaît hacking yeah exactly um okay wait hold 0.98

00:19:12.320 on let me just take a minute with this so here's what might have what are you gonna ask well

00:19:18.600 talking about know you're knowing your own shoe okay let's just what kind of i mean you have no

00:19:25.360 clue right what kind of shoe you were in i don't remember what the shoe was easy spirit all right

00:19:29.320 doesn't matter right here's a question when you put your foot up and i'm not saying you should

00:19:34.400 okay but i'm just investigating okay if your foot is up on a chair resting on the on the back

00:19:43.000 the back of your foot aka where the where the back of the heel not the bottom of the heel

00:19:49.700 on your own chair any chair whatever i just mean when you put your foot up on something right

00:19:54.000 the achilles tendon the yeah yeah okay got it that part of the shoe the back of the shoe

00:20:02.300 not the bottom not the sole that touches the earth okay technically the back of the shoe

00:20:06.260 no i'm not saying it's okay but i do think it's worth acknowledging there's a difference okay

00:20:10.700 okay there's there's a difference between someone okay there is a difference but i have to say

00:20:14.840 the sole of the foot of course and one where you're all it's almost your calves again in a

00:20:20.280 restaurant completely unacceptable but even now i'm remembering that i was at an i was an intimate

00:20:25.040 function recently and there was a coffee table an outdoor coffee table everyone's hanging out

00:20:30.380 oh yeah and someone and there was food on the table there were drinks on the table this is

00:20:35.880 a joke Kate and somebody put serious yeah he lounged back and he put his foot up now I have

00:20:42.640 a question okay now one foot and here's the question sole of the foot um diagonally to the

00:20:50.740 corner of the table as sort of that wedge or back of the heel resting no heel what you're saying

00:20:56.940 heel back of the heel resting a top classic heel resting and I was I was so I almost so the sole

00:21:02.820 of his foot is exposed. I mean, the sole of his shoe

00:21:04.780 or foot. Yes, is screaming

00:21:06.940 to the group. He's exposed. Yeah. He's waving

00:21:08.960 to the group and the food on the

00:21:10.880 table. He's waving to the group.

00:21:13.060 Yeah. And I almost, and I didn't

00:21:14.920 know, if I had known him, if I had even had

00:21:16.780 two more encounters with him, I didn't know him

00:21:18.860 well enough, I would have gone, you know, I would have made

00:21:20.840 a joke if I would have gone, what the hell do you think you're doing? 0.78

00:21:23.100 I mean, it's outrageous. Yeah.

00:21:28.160 This is Ryder

00:21:28.920 Strong, and I have a new podcast called

00:21:30.800 The Red Weather. It was

00:21:32.820 many and many a year ago

00:21:35.020 in a kingdom by the sea.

00:21:37.420 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor,

00:21:39.960 disappeared from a commune.

00:21:41.240 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:21:42.580 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:21:46.200 So no, I am not your guru.

00:21:49.980 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:21:52.620 I lied to police.

00:21:53.880 I lied to everybody.

00:21:54.880 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:21:57.840 I've decided to go back to my hometown

00:21:59.360 in Northern California,

00:22:00.520 interview my friends, family,

00:22:01.760 talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:22:06.700 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious

00:22:10.580 boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of to come around here and

00:22:16.320 my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, 1.00

00:22:24.040 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:22:31.760 i once as a child my brother had some friends over and um i observed and i can't imagine as

00:22:40.260 an only child just that alone just imagining like i cannot imagine having a brother first of all

00:22:44.600 right and then there are boys in the house i mean it is just it is other people in the house they

00:22:50.260 were older but yeah i was still a child i'm actually having a breakthrough right now i'm

00:22:53.720 having a break yes yes you know about my other people in the house scared you know it's like

00:22:57.800 other people in the house like curating experience like the way that you know how i curate like i

00:23:02.680 right i i get scared you know it's like can i bring a like someone's like can i bring my friend

00:23:07.120 you are only comfortable and i'm like oh god right yeah because you're only comfortable

00:23:12.740 here me here's here it is my theory you're only comfortable in a house with mother and father

00:23:17.840 okay and therefore you'll only cure at a party with people who serve the same function as mother

00:23:24.200 and father do to you emotional safety you're so good we'll be looking out for your needs

00:23:28.740 put me on blast put me on blast because guess what it's true i'm really i'm doing a lot of

00:23:36.080 work on myself lately i know i hate when people say that but i really am noticing how much i

00:23:40.260 you cannot use people as need fulfillment machines right we know this we've heard it

00:23:44.980 a million times but i really struggle i've really there is part of me that i yeah you're right i

00:23:50.160 want i'm like are you my mom or you're my dad if you're not doing either get out right oh

00:23:55.880 right right right right and by the way under that is also just familiarity

00:24:01.300 just like this banner familiarity of like i know you you know although i say all of this as i mean

00:24:07.480 i mean i i don't think that necessarily growing up with the thing uh sets you up to be comfortable

00:24:13.540 with the thing i don't i don't know if this is true or not but like right sure i i i always want

00:24:19.620 to basically i'm like like i just want to be alone you know like introvert kind of feeling and

00:24:25.080 whatever and i have that thing about temporal versus spatial aloneness which is you know if

00:24:30.220 i've seen you yesterday it's a lot easier for me to see you today right it's interesting but with

00:24:34.400 every day that passes you become temporarily farther away yeah and i've become afraid of sort

00:24:39.660 of the the the gap the reintegration and then when i see you again the reintegration yeah it's gonna

00:24:46.000 hit like a cold wind we but then jacqueline let this remind you we've never struggled with

00:24:51.540 reintegration no that's the thing technically i mean the friends i keep are ones who i don't it's

00:24:58.880 it's it's are ones who i don't struggle with reintegration with right so i think what it is

00:25:04.680 is moving i think i mean it's just this is what i realized this a long time ago particularly around

00:25:10.120 like depressive tendencies to just not want to show up to anything yeah like I go what's like

00:25:17.840 what's the fear here right like what what is it and I'm like well if I go I'm not going to be able

00:25:22.700 to be you know good company or something right or not even that it's more like maybe this is

00:25:28.800 just introversion but it's like it's like I'll be able to do it but I'll be exhausted after right

00:25:35.980 right right and so knowing that I'll be exhausted after for flying into you know trying to manage

00:25:43.020 everyone's feelings or whatever it is knowing I'll be exhausted makes me not want to go so then I go

00:25:47.880 all right what if what if I'm a dud and I embrace that yeah totally like you invited me you were not

00:25:56.540 promised anything by but a dud I mean technically right they're a mistake almost I'm a dud you made

00:26:03.580 there see some people are able to not wildly attempt to fly into the role they believe is

00:26:10.740 expected and yearned for right and they they can just yeah no i it's it's admirable i actually had

00:26:18.720 experience like that a couple weeks ago where i was in a small group but people i didn't some of

00:26:24.100 them i didn't really know and i felt i felt myself not rise to my usual like i wasn't tap dancing i

00:26:30.440 wasn't going like i just felt that and it was really nice and i wasn't being rude but i i had

00:26:37.300 the urge almost to be like sorry i uh you know but i didn't they're not unusual you hired a clown

00:26:44.640 and all you got is a woman yeah not doing the usual song and dance yeah but no you're right 0.73

00:26:50.440 give yourself permission to just show up and be and just you know come as you are wait i wanted

00:26:55.940 to go back to my dining alone because there's another moment i want to talk about which was

00:26:59.180 that i was flying there's a moment that you left out yeah this one yeah yeah i think i don't know

00:27:05.540 just hang on so i was there i was eating sorry it never tasted better i was just like oh god that's

00:27:11.720 good and it was a it was a business lunch it was a business dinner with myself i wasn't there

00:27:15.400 i didn't want to have a drink i didn't want to you know i just i was hungry i knew what i wanted i

00:27:19.560 got out so a business dinner with yourself is that what you said yeah meaning like it wasn't

00:27:24.440 it wasn't about like it was pleasure, but it wasn't about, Oh, sure.

00:27:28.180 Like to me, if I had a cocktail, it would have been different.

00:27:30.480 I would have been lounging around. Right. You know, it wasn't like that.

00:27:33.620 And so anyway, sorry, there's a crow outside.

00:27:36.520 Maybe you can hear it going absolutely crazy.

00:27:40.300 You know, I used to talk to crows as a child.

00:27:43.100 As a child. Yeah. I can see that with your sort of raven hair,

00:27:46.360 raven to crow, crow to raven.

00:27:47.480 Yeah. I had like a whole crow thing. It's like a real.

00:27:50.120 Makes a lot of sense. Actually.

00:27:51.600 My dad always talks about it. Anyway,

00:27:53.140 sometimes like birds just don't get me started on birds okay anyway no there was one screaming in

00:27:59.280 the backyard of my parents house the other day and it was shocking sometimes i am greeted with

00:28:02.760 this thing of like we live among wild animals like right now i'm staring out there i'm like

00:28:08.520 yep i can't believe just like a raven like birds are flying on our paths and we just go

00:28:12.880 we don't even it's prehistoric i'm looking at this animal right now i'm like i and we coexist

00:28:18.920 It doesn't exist. It's unbelievable. Okay. So what I was going to say was that it's time for the bill

00:28:25.020 and she comes over with the bill and I, I look into my wallet. So I have a business, okay. I

00:28:33.040 have a business card, right. And I have a personal card and my instinct was to reach the, and no,

00:28:39.400 no, I very clearly reached for the personal card and I had a, I had a romantic experience with my

00:28:45.660 visa i was like this is an ad i'm living inside an advertising this is why advertisement advertising

00:28:49.920 is like changed the basic oh right the basic ontology of what it means to be alive has been

00:28:56.680 fundamentally shifted by advertising and in this moment i felt it so clearly because i was like

00:29:00.820 i'm having i am peering at this experience that i'm having through the lens of a visa ad

00:29:06.060 and of an independent woman outgoing sometimes it's not business and me throwing down

00:29:12.520 and going you know this one's for me tonight dinner's on me it's me looking in the mirror

00:29:19.060 if I looked in the mirror in the restaurant yeah dinner's on me tonight and I but it was just me

00:29:24.760 and I throw down the card and it goes yes sometimes it's not business you know and

00:29:29.780 that's on the tagline that's a bad one this one's for me this yeah yeah it's on me tonight

00:29:34.500 no this is good this is all good yeah dinner for me on me and so and something about that

00:29:40.760 god that's i was like i can't believe this one's personal those yeah sometimes it's personal

00:29:45.960 or how about yeah sometimes business is personal no sometimes it's personal

00:29:50.800 it was outrageous my favorite thing about about ads and yeah you know i worked in um copywriting

00:29:59.500 so it's like my favorite thing and i love it like it works for me every time it's just the

00:30:04.880 da da da is da da da okay like like basically like just saying the opposite of what the common thing

00:30:10.480 is and posing it like a wit like me thinks da da da right it's like it like works for me every time

00:30:16.280 so it's like it almost be like you know it'd be like finally a mattress that hurts you heard me

00:30:22.700 yeah you know it's it's it's like a cocky claiming of a new reality that is upsetting what

00:30:30.380 the expectation is?

00:30:32.660 What if your chair wasn't comfortable?

00:30:35.780 Right, right.

00:30:36.400 Who might you be?

00:30:37.780 Yeah.

00:30:38.500 Do you hear that?

00:30:39.880 Yeah, what do you think?

00:30:41.180 Was that New York City?

00:30:42.100 God, I miss her.

00:30:43.960 Looking at the skyline over the East River.

00:30:46.380 I saw jet skis on the East River,

00:30:48.140 immediately thought about sea bobs, obviously.

00:30:50.060 But I'm seeing people just soaring on jet skis.

00:30:53.100 When and how?

00:30:53.980 Strange.

00:30:54.680 Who is in New York and says it's time to get into the East River?

00:30:58.080 That's awful.

00:30:58.900 Yeah.

00:30:59.360 And then you just have the spray.

00:31:01.380 Oh, God.

00:31:03.420 Jet ski, though, I mean, it's a motorcycle. 1.00

00:31:06.300 Shaves at least two years off her life.

00:31:09.140 There's a hammock in my hotel room, I just want to say, by the way. 1.00

00:31:11.780 That's a bit much.

00:31:12.460 I actually wanted to talk about the hammock.

00:31:14.360 Well, I know.

00:31:15.020 It's sort of like a chessboard.

00:31:16.660 You know the chessboard?

00:31:18.740 You know the chessboard, the giant chessboards.

00:31:21.360 Oh, the giant chessboard.

00:31:23.640 I mean, that is just, oh.

00:31:26.380 Yeah, it's actually quite good.

00:31:28.160 i didn't chris tried it i was like i was unimpressed that's wait wait i want to go back

00:31:33.400 we've never we've never talked about the giant chessboard that's very funny oh it's it's um

00:31:39.740 well basically like so it's it's i don't love a giant chessboard okay because i feel that it's

00:31:45.400 often there to create a sense of fun where another amenity is not available okay now chris chris's

00:31:52.840 thing with them i feel like i have to credit but just that it's sort of this example of a certain

00:31:57.420 kind of apartment building that has happened probably starting about like 10 10 10 years ago

00:32:03.940 where they started introducing these kind of community features and sort of they promote the

00:32:09.240 chessboard the giant chessboard for fun with friends right because that's where you're going

00:32:14.500 to network and you're going to get your startup funded or whatever exactly that's exactly it

00:32:18.540 i had i had this idea way back when when i was getting repulsed by everything that's

00:32:22.700 that's repulsive um that the problem's me and then i need to get glasses or like a gross diner

00:32:30.440 okay like a really gross one what they should do is they should give you glasses on the way in

00:32:34.580 that ever so slightly blur things i'm saying that the you know that the stains are there right so

00:32:40.020 now basically now when i go into a hotel room i i don't go looking because every time i've gone

00:32:45.700 look i mean i don't really go looking but you know what i mean like yeah i try not to even

00:32:48.540 into a corner yeah yeah so then i was imagining this idea that i need to i need to go into like

00:32:55.360 a hotel room with it with a clear glasses that just have ever so slight of a blur do you see

00:33:03.060 so that you can't see the errors disgustingness okay so it's blurred it's softly blurred and then

00:33:08.880 i was imagining like a diner that offered this like they don't tell you do you see what i'm

00:33:12.840 saying a diner so you're in there and you don't see the like they like I don't know how it worked

00:33:19.180 but they give you glasses so that you're not repulsed it's kind of an interesting idea like

00:33:24.180 a like a live filter on your eye it ain't the idea I thought it was I guess I appreciated it

00:33:31.740 nonetheless I'm I can see people picnicking on a park isn't that a thing you know to see

00:33:39.820 that's very sweet yeah it's just they've got their blankets um i see someone playing catch it

00:33:46.640 it actually yeah a literal mitt a mitt and i thought i thought i was looking at a goose but

00:33:55.180 it was just someone's backpack i can see the cars like toys on the uh fdr rattling past

00:34:03.440 to know there's consciousness in each has always been a question

00:34:06.540 i have felt a sense of meaninglessness recently yeah all right cut this i don't know i'm slipping

00:34:13.480 into this voice no why keep going slipping into a false voice no you're not um

00:34:21.160 no me going i feel a sense of meaningless recently that's not what you did at all

00:34:26.820 There's a humor

00:34:28.120 Go deeper

00:34:30.920 Go deeper, get off the air

00:34:34.040 No, right, but I felt it wasn't

00:34:37.680 Let's get

00:34:38.240 Let's stop being cute

00:34:41.000 It was very

00:34:42.700 I thought it was very nice

00:34:43.740 Oh, did I tell you

00:34:44.460 I tell you about my traumatic throat seizure

00:34:48.180 No

00:34:49.380 Of sorts

00:34:49.820 Go back to the meaninglessness

00:34:52.620 That's what people want

00:34:53.660 No

00:34:54.280 no my throat seizure is about that okay okay i had like some upsetting experiences that you know

00:35:01.620 i could process 46 episodes from now but my voice like changed it got locked oh yeah in a low

00:35:09.040 register i don't even know it's probably gone now like and it was locked in not like when you lose

00:35:14.660 your voice and it gets low i literally was like you couldn't go higher yeah it was down here and

00:35:20.600 I couldn't isn't that wild I mean I'm always looking like desperate for a physical yeah and

00:35:25.960 then and then it went away I think it's like slowly like slowly softened up but it was it was

00:35:33.180 tight it was and I thought that was kind of exciting and then oh I'm reading a new I'm

00:35:40.220 reading oh someone you know people what are you reading what are you reading with one eyes

00:35:43.460 eye closed I'm reading Mitch Horowitz's new book called um Daydream Believer I really enjoy his

00:35:49.200 his work

00:35:50.280 the occult

00:35:51.740 the history of the occult

00:35:53.300 in America

00:35:54.140 I don't know his work

00:35:55.060 it's fabulous

00:35:55.960 he's

00:35:57.260 he'd be a great

00:35:59.180 well we don't have guests

00:36:00.620 but

00:36:01.000 he'd be a great guest

00:36:02.280 if we had them

00:36:02.960 maybe one day

00:36:04.240 folks

00:36:04.720 never

00:36:05.680 but we can't bring anyone in

00:36:07.220 it would immediately

00:36:08.260 the cold

00:36:08.880 the wind

00:36:09.700 the cold wind

00:36:10.600 in the face

00:36:11.320 to hear a voice

00:36:12.400 other than ours

00:36:13.000 I think they'd rather hear

00:36:13.840 about hotels again

00:36:15.300 we wouldn't know what to do

00:36:16.040 than even the most

00:36:16.800 interesting guest

00:36:19.200 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:36:25.560 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:36:30.780 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:36:34.780 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:36:36.120 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:36:39.740 No, I am not your guru.

00:36:43.540 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:36:46.160 I lied to police.

00:36:47.420 I lied to everybody.

00:36:48.200 There were years, Ryder, where I could not say your name.

00:36:51.420 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:36:54.080 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:36:56.900 whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:37:00.240 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:37:03.160 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:37:04.820 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.92

00:37:07.760 I'll teach you sons of a** to come around here and my wife. 0.90

00:37:10.820 Boom, boom. 0.97

00:37:12.100 This is The Red Weather.

00:37:15.120 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app,

00:37:17.580 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:37:26.000 We're getting, this is, we're so low right now.

00:37:28.080 Have any dreams recently?

00:37:28.740 What?

00:37:29.240 Have any dreams recently?

00:37:30.980 No.

00:37:31.140 Have any dreams recently?

00:37:32.660 No.

00:37:33.340 None?

00:37:34.160 No.

00:37:34.820 I mean, yes, I write them down every day,

00:37:36.440 but nothing worth sharing.

00:37:38.280 Oh, you're still writing them down every day?

00:37:40.420 Yeah.

00:37:41.580 Maybe not every day, but five days a week.

00:37:44.040 Yeah.

00:37:45.040 Wow.

00:37:46.020 First thing?

00:37:46.840 Pretty much.

00:37:46.980 yeah I love them

00:37:49.420 okay what do we do

00:37:51.500 this is way too much silence way too low

00:37:53.140 we gotta do something to end this

00:37:54.660 we have to find the laughter again

00:37:56.660 I know

00:37:57.420 I couldn't tell you how

00:37:59.940 have you ever enjoyed a hammock

00:38:02.740 I wanted to talk about hammocks

00:38:05.440 we never have

00:38:06.240 yes I have enjoyed a hammock

00:38:08.080 give me the context give me the textures

00:38:09.540 I can't even recall it's just one of those archetypes

00:38:12.380 it's like I've been in a hammock

00:38:13.400 so when i get here's the thing about a hammock you have to get in with everything you're ever

00:38:19.980 going to need you can't get it once you're in you're in for life so it's a coffin you can get

00:38:27.340 in with a book i have had the experience of getting in with a book but the whole time i'm

00:38:31.760 so overwhelmed that i'm in a hammock and there's so much trust that you're not going to fall and

00:38:35.400 break your back right so it's a bit no this is interesting actually a hammock can never be a

00:38:42.200 room of one's own because i mean it's it's the ultimate kind of right you get in the hammock

00:38:48.600 with your book you realize you forgot your your drink yeah exactly you're four foot more

00:38:53.480 mere four feet away yeah and yet you're helpless yeah um so it's what is that it's like a good

00:39:01.220 metaphor for something for it feels familiar for some human experience you know i have an

00:39:07.140 implanted memory that's not real I have a memory of myself in Italy in a hammock that never happened

00:39:12.880 I think it's because you know everyone's like on the Amalfi coast right now it's like all these

00:39:18.360 images pouring in from Greece yeah like on Instagram and I dream of such things

00:39:26.820 yeah you see that I mean there it is the poison right of Instagram that you're walking around

00:39:33.960 with a belief that everyone is on the Amalfi

00:39:36.100 coast right now

00:39:36.860 and I don't even mean that it's not true

00:39:39.760 but it's almost like

00:39:42.100 even if whatever

00:39:43.800 Instagram's serving you that idea and now

00:39:46.200 you know

00:39:48.200 you might even then join the crew

00:39:50.100 you know what I mean?

00:39:50.860 due to that idea

00:39:52.580 and that was enough

00:39:55.800 I need Italy, I need the coast now

00:39:57.760 and I think

00:39:59.440 I won't get it now but realistically

00:40:01.520 maybe you know next

00:40:03.000 May

00:40:04.620 Three years from now

00:40:06.400 I would love to shoot for next year

00:40:09.440 I do feel the time passing

00:40:12.780 I've never been

00:40:17.420 As you know, I've never been there

00:40:18.960 I've never been to France

00:40:19.960 Nowhere 0.92

00:40:21.400 Just Russia for you 0.96

00:40:23.400 And uh 0.98

00:40:23.740 Yeah 0.82

00:40:25.380 Food listeners, just Russia

00:40:29.100 She's told us 0.94

00:40:30.080 And Scotland

00:40:31.420 And just Times Square, you just toggle between Russia and Times Square for the rest of your life.

00:40:42.660 And then there's even a thing of like, like, should I go back to Russia?

00:40:46.680 And it's like, you know, still haven't seen Rome.

00:40:49.400 No, you can pivot to you can pivot to Italy.

00:40:53.320 Yeah, I'm scared. I'm scared to go anywhere but Russia. 0.78

00:40:56.660 um but yeah but then there's this the fear now you know how to break the seal to go to paris like 0.97

00:41:03.800 the fear of of fucking up like fucking up paris instantly who cares right you won't like i'm 0.85

00:41:10.420 gonna be in london um in i guess two weeks i can't believe i'm gonna be in london well i'm 0.98

00:41:16.620 in london now i don't know when this is gonna come out hang on you're sure our londons don't

00:41:21.620 crossover 20 i'm june 24 25 and 26 at the last square here and um and then i'm in scotland 0.81

00:41:31.280 and truly the next week that's so fucked up i know actually i tried to pitch it someone to 0.83

00:41:37.980 write an article about us that said that goes like the hags are here but separately why okay 0.93

00:41:43.620 or or the hags are in london why aren't they doing a poog show and there's an entire article about

00:41:48.560 how we must keep our art primary oh right well we must you and i mean we're not as individual

00:41:56.440 artists no one bit that article is still available folks if there's a writer if there's like i just

00:42:03.660 feel like you should be coming down to london while i'm there well i'm craving a chocolate

00:42:08.420 croissant absolutely intensely but the only one i really enjoy is going to be sold out by now i'm

00:42:14.080 gonna go eat i'm gonna go eat if you could only have one lettuce other than lettuce what would

00:42:18.720 it be so you know what i'm saying what do you mean other than lettuce so not a romaine not an

00:42:24.220 iceberg not a not a lettuce lettuce not a butter little you only have arugula spinach little gem

00:42:30.520 little gem what little gem no that's still lettuce butter lettuce i'm talking about not a lettuce like

00:42:36.600 i'm talking about no here's what i'm talking about greens oh arugula yeah okay if it's not

00:42:42.340 going to be that i really like baby kale and i like arugula really the baby can't wait i can't

00:42:47.480 picture it doesn't have the ribs right this is something that we have to stop now i never if i

00:42:54.160 see a kale rib in a salad i'll take the bowl and i will heave it across the the room and let it

00:43:01.460 shatter its porcelain remains all over the ground whoever yeah whatever establishment you are not

00:43:09.700 supposed to eat a kale rib. A kale rib has no business there. I don't mean that you can't eat

00:43:16.180 it. I mean that it's, it is not intended to eat. You're supposed to strip the kale off the ribs.

00:43:22.920 You do not include the ribs. You strip the kale off the ribs. But are you saying, I guess what

00:43:28.840 I mean is in a culinary, like, are you saying that never in a culinary book has anyone include?

00:43:35.340 You could cook kale stems, I'm sorry, I'm talking about in a raw salad, absolutely not.

00:43:40.220 You're talking about in a salad.

00:43:40.780 I'm sorry, to be clarifying, I'm talking about in a salad.

00:43:42.940 A raw kale salad, if there are stems in there, if the rib is intact, you deserve to be truly.

00:43:49.960 If the rib is attacked. 0.97

00:43:51.520 I mean, attached, you deserve to be attacked. 0.78

00:43:53.700 yes i mean there was a moment where i just where the kale salad was was supreme reigning supreme 0.91

00:44:06.060 and i still it felt like one of those things where for me i don't know i enjoyed it but why

00:44:10.960 like i just i don't know for me i love a kale salad stripped massaged fried shallots dijon

00:44:16.920 dressing heaven delicious okay that was gonna say here here's a question one you get one

00:44:23.520 dressing that comes in one of those plastic tubs with the things with the like one of those um

00:44:29.840 like a newman's own salad dressing dispensers no no no i mean yes but but that's also interesting

00:44:35.940 but i mean at the at a salad bar right whether it's high end or low end right you know those

00:44:41.280 things that you can pour your dressing out of they have them at the end of the edge of the

00:44:44.420 salad bar like in a whole foods or i guess i mean not to be a total bitch but i don't touch those

00:44:49.020 dressings you can feel my mood my mood right now I'm biting that's why I'm asking I know you 0.60

00:44:57.040 wouldn't I know you didn't have the answer I'm saying if you could you could grab one of those

00:45:01.940 and head for the deserted island oh no so I'm talking thousand I have to pick one of those

00:45:09.360 things a balsamic vinaigrette I'll do the balsamic vinaigrette vinaigrette I'll do the

00:45:15.020 balsamic vinaigrette it's always the safest choice and you can't do olive oil and salt then

00:45:20.920 now then right now as a as a child my father used to always in the restaurant ask can i just get the

00:45:28.000 can i just get oil and vinegar like yeah we love him for it make this gesture of the yeah the two

00:45:33.360 and then they'd sometimes bring out that that metal crate that held the oil and the vinegar

00:45:39.340 yeah sure and they toggle that's nice yeah no olive oil with lemon and toggling has become key

00:45:45.880 yeah um what did you say if the ribs attached what you will be attacked well you said because

00:45:55.300 you said if the ribs are attacked you said it like it's subconsciously you knew because you've

00:46:01.260 been speaking of bowls flying where was i recently where i had a kale salad and i went excuse me and

00:46:07.660 i pulled out a rib so big so thick and sinewy the strings and i ew i was like this belongs on a on

00:46:16.980 the ground on a hike if i were on a hike and i saw it's on the ground i would go yeah not in the bowl

00:46:23.080 okay fair enough what about the bay leaf you ever get a bay leaf in the mouth eating a nice stew

00:46:29.900 yeah yeah have to fish it out big old bailey supposed to take it out now here's a question

00:46:34.080 Well, that's the question

00:46:36.980 I feel like some of these restaurants are leaving it in

00:46:39.020 To try to impress you with the fact that they used a bay leaf at all

00:46:41.880 So I have a new idea, folks

00:46:43.780 That's strange, I've never seen a bay leaf hovering in a soup

00:46:46.260 And if I did, I would see it as an accident

00:46:48.040 Are you serious?

00:46:49.120 No, you take it out before you serve it

00:46:50.840 It happens all the time

00:46:52.480 No, I mean, well, do you mean me?

00:46:56.140 No, one should

00:46:57.460 I haven't seen that critical error

00:46:59.600 You'd think so, it happens to me nearly all the time in restaurants

00:47:02.680 And, you know, it's just one of the sharpest things you can that can land in your mouth.

00:47:07.160 And then I think when they need it, if they want to show off the bay leaf, you take the bay leaf out after.

00:47:12.380 OK, you give a little rinse.

00:47:14.400 OK, and then you do a single snip, single snip into it and place that on the side of the bowl like like a cocktail.

00:47:23.300 Just to tell you that it's been supercharged with bay leaf.

00:47:26.000 Yeah.

00:47:27.700 I'm just soaring talking about dinner again.

00:47:29.680 Well, I have to pee, which I'm, which I'm going to, I know I'm going to, I have some

00:47:34.340 chocolate pudding in the fridge.

00:47:35.420 I think I'm going to eat.

00:47:37.180 Oh, by the way, your recommendation for Servos.

00:47:40.240 Okay.

00:47:40.480 I've been experiencing a Servos.

00:47:42.080 I'm in New York.

00:47:42.640 I go, what's that place called?

00:47:43.660 Okay.

00:47:43.820 You go Servos.

00:47:44.800 Right.

00:47:45.160 And I'm experiencing almost like a Greek word, like Servos.

00:47:47.480 Yeah.

00:47:47.800 Okay.

00:47:48.920 And then I looked up the reservation.

00:47:51.440 It was Servo apostrophe S.

00:47:53.440 Sorry.

00:47:53.740 I didn't specify.

00:47:54.740 I'm so sorry.

00:47:55.660 Like your friend Servos.

00:47:58.080 Did you know?

00:47:58.880 Yeah.

00:48:00.200 Sorry, I guess I just said it to you without the apostrophe.

00:48:03.100 Did you get a table?

00:48:03.960 Oh, no, no, you typed it to me without the apostrophe.

00:48:07.120 That's what I mean.

00:48:08.120 To be clear, no, I, okay.

00:48:09.780 No, I didn't get a table,

00:48:11.960 and I don't think it's going to happen for me while I'm here.

00:48:14.920 By the way, I don't know, I forget.

00:48:18.160 It doesn't matter.

00:48:18.960 All right.

00:48:19.760 I'm in New York for two nights next week,

00:48:21.300 and I couldn't get a table.

00:48:22.520 I mean, you know, I didn't go through underground channels,

00:48:25.140 merely Rezzy.

00:48:26.300 But okay, we got to go.

00:48:27.900 I love you.

00:48:28.880 All right.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - June 28, 2022

Sometimes It's Personal

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