Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - Souvenir Tiger

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00:01:34.840 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:36.300 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

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00:01:55.300 happy thanksgiving one and all happy thanksgiving let's have a ball

00:02:03.680 let me just turn on a timer so that oh wow so we're in we're in and it's thanksgiving

00:02:12.940 anticipating this because what oh i've been anticipating this recording i've been imagining

00:02:19.880 myself saying kate you're gonna have to carry this one i was gonna say do you have an energy

00:02:23.980 what's going on I uh I am uh experiencing like a week of I guess uh something in the realm of

00:02:40.220 depression a week of it and I think it's due to going off my gummies cold turkey

00:02:48.980 which everyone says isn't supposed to do anything but you mean your thc gummies

00:02:55.680 yeah i went off them just because my legs weren't bothering me and it's like oh i guess i've been

00:03:00.040 taking these for six months 20 milligrams a night oh i mean it also could not be that and people

00:03:04.900 might you know at home say there is no you know thc withdrawal blah blah blah physically um but

00:03:12.260 But I know, you know, I know when something's up, of course, there's not anything going on.

00:03:20.480 Yeah, no, if you're used to like 20 milligrams every night for six months, of course, that's

00:03:26.400 going to make you feel differently going off of them suddenly. And also, did you what led you to

00:03:32.580 stop? You know, one night I so I take them with me on on the road. And then one night I forgot to

00:03:39.920 take them. And I'd had a martini and I fell asleep easily. And, and I didn't, I just, so I

00:03:47.180 didn't, I don't know, I guess that knocked me out. So I didn't have the normal, like getting tired,

00:03:52.360 the legs starting to go and then whatever. So, so then I was like, maybe we'll see, maybe I won't

00:03:59.420 need, I'll wait and see if the legs are kicking in before I take them. My legs weren't bothering

00:04:03.360 me. And then I just kind of spaced on taking them for a couple of nights. And, um, and then

00:04:10.300 I started to, you know, I mean, I mean, the other thing is just so amazing about the whole thing is

00:04:17.460 like, I literally wrote a book right on depression. And the concept of the book was that you can't

00:04:24.580 trust someone, you know, it's great to read self-help. It's great to read books by people

00:04:28.060 who are cured, but you can only trust them so much because they're no longer in the depressed

00:04:33.300 state so they actually no longer understand even if they understand they don't understand it's like

00:04:37.160 it's like and even myself I don't understand like once I'm out of it I I all I know in theory I

00:04:46.300 understand abstractly what it means but it's like and I can use language to describe you know

00:04:52.940 remembering how I described at the time but there's still it is still it's it's it's like

00:04:58.000 it's both subtle and um you know it's so baked in it's so pervasive that it's really hard to

00:05:06.120 I mean almost you know not on like whatever we talk about with the um premenstrual but it's like

00:05:11.080 it is it is a it is constantly fighting off a sense of meaninglessness

00:05:18.380 yeah and and these aren't even tears of anything they're just like my body's just like crying you

00:05:28.820 know have you been able when when you're feeling when you're going through this does crying help

00:05:35.540 at all like does that offer some kind of release where then you like come up for air after crying

00:05:41.160 maybe a little inter if like if it's because i'm actually like there's an actual emotion

00:05:47.740 happening that i'm you know processing or something like that that's like you know good and it's it's

00:05:52.680 not that bad it's like i mean the other thing is like once i identify a potential source because i

00:05:58.860 didn't i didn't think about the gummies right away and so i was like this like feeling and i was like

00:06:05.220 is it literally just the cold is it literally just the clocks moving back like the winter blues i

00:06:11.440 know like a layman being in minneapolis sweetie it's the holidays which is really charged you're

00:06:16.320 at your parents' house is thanksgiving supercharged yes and i'm like all that's true like

00:06:21.900 anyway it's it's it's just um it's just it's very it's just interesting but but because i when i

00:06:29.080 when i think there's a source and and i've come to feel that on the occasions that things like

00:06:33.040 this occur for me you know it's not it's most likely not i'm not going to drop into two years 0.98

00:06:39.160 of this yeah i have a very different um you know it's like it's like oh right this shit and it's

00:06:45.100 like oh my god it's so distinct and specific and then it re-reminds me of literally empathy for 0.93

00:06:50.120 people going through it and it's like of course i obviously i mean again wrote the goddamn book

00:06:56.100 it's like and yet and then it just makes me feel empathy for 0.91

00:07:02.180 all the various worms of suffering that we don't know

00:07:07.960 no i think that's beautiful what you're saying you know what i mean that are invisible blah blah

00:07:13.300 you know what you're saying you just said like empathy for other forms of suffering which i just

00:07:17.820 have to say i've mentioned it on the last few episodes i'm you know i'm reading um when things

00:07:24.840 fall apart which i've read and returned to it's great but there's kind of children for those

00:07:30.420 children that she talks about that i was like that really is nice is like when you're experiencing

00:07:35.660 sadness or grief or pain um letting it like opening yourself up to the sadness and grief

00:07:43.460 of the whole world and of other suffering right and then a way that almost like and then similarly

00:07:48.500 when you're feeling joy recognize trying to like almost put that out into the universe like for

00:07:54.920 other like if you're recognizing how fleeting and ephemeral all emotion is and how and life itself

00:08:02.200 and everything so when you're experiencing like joy instead of like white knuckling it and being

00:08:07.940 like joy which i definitely have done of course the white knuckle is hell like like i constantly

00:08:14.560 i feel this if i'm like for example yesterday morning i woke up at 6 a.m doll eyes fluttering

00:08:19.820 open because i was on east coast time but i was on the west coast and then i had this morning and 0.51

00:08:24.220 i was like fuck this is good and almost when i'm having a morning like that i have this there's 0.71

00:08:28.640 this undercurrent of anxiety of like, it's slipping away. It's slipping away. Like why 0.98

00:08:32.480 can't all mornings be like this? Yeah. How can I repeat it? Like it's, it's the thing of having

00:08:36.780 an incredible meal and then be loving it, going back to taking a friend. It's not as good as it

00:08:41.560 was last night, you know, or like the impossibility of repeating the experience. And I, like I crave

00:08:49.940 to repeat and to relive and as we all do, but something about, so when you're experiencing

00:08:55.140 elation recognizing it as as being as ephemeral as like grief or pain like all these emotions

00:09:01.080 are passing through yeah and a way to almost like i don't know she's talking about somebody like

00:09:05.840 you know a father who's recently a father right seeing images of like you know dying children or

00:09:11.480 something and suddenly being hit with it harder in a new way right it's about linking your own

00:09:16.840 pain to the pain of others as a way to almost be less alone but also as a way to like share in the 0.94

00:09:23.400 in that common experience i don't know i sound like a fucking no no you don't you don't but 0.78

00:09:30.440 but it's uh something about that really i liked and i think what you just said of like you like 0.92

00:09:37.860 when you're feeling this these deep wells of emotion or these kinds of like this sense of

00:09:42.940 meaninglessness it's like yeah and imagining all the other people who right now are feeling that

00:09:48.560 and and that it will and then like it will pass i don't know no it reminds me like i was thinking

00:09:56.840 it today as i was contemplating you know as being home and and you know the analysis of

00:10:02.880 uh yourself and looking at you know family and and seeing the dynamics and family going oh so

00:10:10.460 that's direct for my family you know what i mean like oh my issue here and going oh and that came

00:10:15.120 down through the, you know, you know, um, you know, I was trying to heal the neuroses around

00:10:21.520 food, you know, six generations back. Oh yeah. The ultimate trickle down theory, folks.

00:10:27.180 Emotional, uh, distress, the trickle down, um, illness, economics of that. And then just,

00:10:36.060 I was thinking about, you know, the six generations of, of where my extreme defensiveness

00:10:41.200 sort of comes from and realizing it and then being like it's just anytime you have

00:10:49.340 it just uh it's like god it's such a trick it's like like the things we find unforgivable in

00:10:58.040 others you know that are just a product of of their thing and that doesn't have to be our thing

00:11:05.800 and it's almost like i guess what i'm saying is like is like the empathy like too often empathy

00:11:11.020 is used only to relate to others who are experiencing the exact same thing right and it's

00:11:16.640 so so for example going okay i'm depressed i have empathy for other depressed people it's like

00:11:21.580 i'm like going like wait no it's even bigger it's this it's it's if if i experience depression

00:11:27.340 something i can't quite explain to other people blah blah blah okay or even myself when i'm not

00:11:31.600 in that state what other kinds of suffering do people feel that they can't explain that others

00:11:37.160 don't get that others misunderstand that if when described sounds like it means one thing but it's

00:11:41.440 actually it's another thing and just feeling like um empathy for the things i don't have empathy for

00:11:48.260 because i don't realize because i don't understand oh yeah i mean no that's great that's like

00:11:52.140 devastating kind of yeah i mean it's just and then so it's just and then i immediately sort

00:11:56.980 of jumped to these huge um it's like i i go huge which i always go but when it's tinted with

00:12:06.140 depression it's like a go huge depression it's like incredibly reductive you know it's just sort

00:12:11.560 of this one little thing you know happens and i'm i'm like uh one tiny moment of discomfort

00:12:20.600 earlier today and i'm like i'm not coming to thanksgiving i'm gonna stay upstairs today yeah

00:12:26.300 yeah totally yeah anyway anyway sorry it's real tight uh real dark dark entry but also not i mean

00:12:34.400 also not at all also it's like fine it's like of course it's fine you know it's just like um

00:12:40.780 it's just interesting it's just amazing that your own mind which feels so personal and idiosyncratic

00:12:47.840 and and under your and and like this laddered down you know all your thoughts are laddered

00:12:53.000 down from your your beliefs or something like that it's just it's just crazy that that's

00:12:56.800 something that something that feels like not you can be in there i mean like yeah even in you know

00:13:02.400 in a i don't know it's just disturbing that our brains or our minds our consciousness is not

00:13:09.480 uh impenetrable and just like a globe that we can like cook thoughts inside of as we please

00:13:17.860 like that that we're you know yeah and we're deep that we're deeply out of control we know not

00:13:24.520 and um yeah the illusion of the head i mean like the illusion of the head as a space as a container

00:13:30.380 oh my god huge problem is a predictable container oh my god or or yeah i mean it's just

00:13:36.460 where are the thoughts you know what i mean i mean where do they come from because the neurons

00:13:42.040 are in there doesn't mean thoughts are terrifying the fact that we can have thoughts is so 0.99

00:13:50.820 like dark fuck you yeah fuck you god to be an automaton i mean obviously we don't want that 0.99

00:13:59.480 blah blah I don't want some engineer in San Francisco programming my thoughts yeah or do I 1.00

00:14:05.920 yeah it's um well I love you I love you it's all good and and there can be actually some fresh

00:14:13.540 perspectives and humor that can come from me being in this state because certain of my qualities are

00:14:19.440 diminished and that's actually a good thing yeah I'm saying so we'll see it'll be very

00:14:23.820 No, I felt immediately when you sat down, I said, my baby's going through it.

00:14:28.140 You said, happy Thanksgiving for her.

00:14:30.920 I just did Tracy and I thought the thoughts, these are the kind of thoughts I always have.

00:14:34.360 I hate movement.

00:14:35.600 Yeah, right.

00:14:36.320 While I was doing Tracy. 0.99

00:14:37.540 And you know me, I'm a goddamn hound for Tracy. 0.98

00:14:39.360 I've been singing, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:14:40.580 I say, I hate movement.

00:14:42.180 I've also thought while depressed, I hate music.

00:14:44.820 Yeah.

00:14:45.740 All music.

00:14:47.920 I love it.

00:14:48.760 Yeah.

00:14:49.040 Wait, I have to quickly go turn off my heat

00:14:52.280 Because I'm boiling inside my sweater

00:14:54.200 Absolutely, temperature must be managed

00:14:56.160 At all costs 1.00

00:14:57.040 She's back

00:15:02.480 I didn't come in talking

00:15:03.320 I was thinking about what's the most obnoxious

00:15:06.340 I was thinking about what's the most obnoxious thing

00:15:08.180 Just now that I could do

00:15:09.800 Like imagine if I was like

00:15:10.880 I'm going to cheer you up doll

00:15:12.300 Listen to this

00:15:13.000 Outside Cincinnati a gold drawer retriever was found in a basket

00:15:16.380 a local girl who was praying for a puppy all year stumbled upon a basket of a golden retriever

00:15:22.700 turns out her uncle's uh get a load of this folks her uncle's dog had recently passed and this

00:15:28.820 golden retriever was actually the cousin of the i mean like i'm like how can you be sad like

00:15:35.320 or i was like i know i know this turns out our cells regenerate it's such a at such a level that

00:15:40.900 it's like oh nothing you know don't try i actually do find that one compelling that

00:15:45.720 that actually is cool regeneration i know also it's like not really though like as we know you

00:15:52.740 can give birth you can be born from someone ostensibly entirely new cells and you're still 0.97

00:15:57.580 made up of their goddamn bullshit right and their blessings um oh wow um um no no yeah and like and 0.99

00:16:08.640 like and i feel this need to clarify like um because like this this i am not sad i am grateful 0.99

00:16:14.420 i have done it all like i am just no you know and and and all that and the whatever but but it is uh

00:16:21.360 interesting to note now and i did a little a little session with someone i work with in a

00:16:28.300 kind of energy healer capacity yeah and i found that comforting now you have finally gotten on

00:16:35.520 the table right wow actually yeah because we have not discussed it no i we got to discuss it i did

00:16:39.560 get on the table for the first time um one of the mantras that i always like of of uh is

00:16:44.900 when you're feeling at least this has helped me the past feeling increased anxiety obsession

00:16:50.740 whatever is oh i'm cutting myself off i get self-conscious in these moments and i'm like 0.89

00:16:55.440 oh let me let me pull a little wisdom from my fucking life i don't know or just my like 0.86

00:17:02.220 i know but i i know i i understand but before we do this i stop myself no i know yeah right 0.96

00:17:08.280 And then the stopping yourself, like, like then you've done neither kind of, but it's

00:17:11.900 like, I get it.

00:17:13.900 But I think, I think, you know what, cause I do the same, I can, I can definitely don't

00:17:18.680 do the same thing.

00:17:19.820 What?

00:17:20.520 No, I was going to say, I do the same thing and I'm like, well, actually, no, I never

00:17:23.120 cut myself off.

00:17:23.840 I'm constantly behaving as expert and, you know, doling out my, my perspectives, but

00:17:29.160 it's like, uh, and about to do a now, but I think, I think that, you know, you can trust

00:17:34.480 the listener okay to to understand that when you're making a such a pronouncement you're making

00:17:42.160 it in the way you know two friends do and you're you're sharing things and you're whatever it's like

00:17:46.320 you're not it's not the some massive thesis we're no of course not there's just like it feels like

00:17:51.560 there's like an inherent cheesiness yeah okay I was just gonna say that you know there are moments

00:17:57.460 when I'm feeling it all um there's a I don't know where it comes from who cares but it's like may I

00:18:03.880 meet this moment fully may i meet it as a friend wait what may i meet this moment fully may i meet

00:18:09.620 it as a friend right oh cut it what no my face wasn't at you saying no i wasn't noticing your

00:18:17.820 face it was my own it was my own despicable sentimentality which i cannot shed like the

00:18:22.320 skin off my face okay i have to uh we gotta go to break you did shed it i did shed my skin

00:18:27.040 well we'll come back we have a lot to cover today yeah okay we'll be back

00:18:32.000 this is writer strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:18:42.240 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune

00:18:48.960 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs no i am not your

00:18:55.960 and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to everybody there were years

00:19:03.600 right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back to my hometown in northern

00:19:07.520 california interview my friends family talk to police journalists whomever i can to try to find

00:19:12.780 out what actually happened isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:19:17.400 and not the obvious boyfriend they have had this case for 30 years i'll teach you sons of

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00:20:10.600 I'll just say quickly, because I'm not going to get too deep into it,

00:20:13.740 because I do have some kind of protection over the experience,

00:20:16.260 but I did meet a, I guess like a chakra healer, a energy intuitive body worker. I think she has

00:20:23.180 different, I don't know, different modes of classification. I'd never done it before,

00:20:26.620 but it was pretty wild. And I have to say, you know, I sat down and she was like, what's going

00:20:33.660 on? I kind of gave her the general, like kind of like the headlines. And she was like, wow. And

00:20:37.960 then she was like looking at me and she was like, and she said to me, she goes, I actually can't

00:20:41.640 see her heart chakra oh my god i'll tell you that she was like like you're hiding she was like moving

00:20:46.700 her hands around me and she was like huh and she was like you're it was like kind of crazy and then

00:20:52.780 she put me on the table when i tell you she barely touched me i was like laying down she had her

00:20:57.660 hands around my ankles and she was kind of just there and for the first like 20 minutes i just

00:21:03.040 had my eyes closed and was kind of like not really i don't know i just was like i'm gonna surrender

00:21:07.120 to this and i'm just gonna kind of let my mind wander and then around maybe 30 minutes or 40

00:21:12.240 minutes and i don't even know i swear to god i started to feel absolute like i felt like i was

00:21:17.520 almost lifting off the table and i had the impulse to ask her to stop that's because it was so i was

00:21:22.560 like whoa whoa whoa whoa and then i calmed myself down i was like you're laying on a table someone's

00:21:26.480 barely touching you like nothing's happening per se you're safe but i felt a transference of energy

00:21:32.560 i felt my chakra getting more rooted or whatever it's not even the language i don't know the

00:21:38.520 language of chakras but she no it can be but um but she uh it was really it was cool and also it

00:21:43.560 just felt good and this goes back to all of these kinds of healing modalities of just a witness like

00:21:48.860 yeah that's why therapists can be powerful or anyone but we need more than that because there

00:21:53.060 are things that talk therapy just can't reach it's like truly like i think if right now i would

00:21:57.600 if you were to lay down on the floor and i were to come just have my hands on you

00:22:01.760 for like an hour and breathe yes you would have a full transformation it would be significant and

00:22:07.720 it would yes like we can infinitely bigger than i mean yes talk therapy but also for some of us

00:22:16.060 talk therapy like reinscribes the like i mean for me an over processor it's like living with

00:22:21.620 there's things that i can't learn there's like wisdom that is truly not in my head and talking 0.91

00:22:26.920 about it isn't going to do fucking shit if anything it might even re like keep me locked 0.78

00:22:31.880 in these cycles of like languages language will heal me if i have the language then i can then 0.97

00:22:37.100 the emotion will somehow be tangible the metaphor that will heal me searching for then then i can 0.83

00:22:41.300 lock it all down in my brain and and what's so heinous is that when you try to do that the white

00:22:45.500 knuckle grip of some new way of looking at things and then you see it um decay right it decays in

00:22:51.800 the brain and it's even more devastating because you tried to cling to something that you thought

00:22:55.840 wouldn't decay and does and it's it's nature oh it's so parental like relationships with language

00:23:01.920 you know i'm like i'm like pick me up save me it's like the words i'm like mama and then it's

00:23:08.380 like yes well guess what all our parents die language is in a constant state of decay yeah

00:23:13.420 like good luck holding on and even i'm trying to hold on just now me being like how about this

00:23:18.040 mantra may i meet this moment fully may i meet it as a friend like oh because twice that sort of

00:23:22.740 helped me in the shower but like when you're actually no you have to totally and it's also

00:23:28.940 like what it's the same sort of metaphor as like a false idol you know like like you know i remember

00:23:35.200 this thing in this problem of god course in college and reading this guy aliada and his

00:23:42.240 whole thing about these sacred um sacred spaces and sacred moments in time and it was this thing

00:23:46.540 about the way i remember it is some church or some some community and this the tiger this tiger

00:23:51.300 broke into the church one day or something like that. Okay. And then like, and it was this like

00:23:54.960 major experience and they all like felt, and then they were like trying to like repeat the tiger

00:23:58.180 breaking into the church. Like, you know what I mean? And then they have a tiger statue and it's

00:24:02.220 like, it's that, that spirit of, of, of the clinging and it wasn't, it was never that it

00:24:09.220 was never the statue. It was never the, you know, and, and, and what I've made peace with is that

00:24:14.300 it's okay to engage with. So, so the tiger breaks into the church. Everyone has a spiritual

00:24:18.780 experience okay yes you walk home you go home you need this little souvenir tiger okay for a while

00:24:23.820 that might work that reminds you that reminds you right a suit to souvenir okay but like but like

00:24:33.680 you know but but it will decay yeah yeah yeah i was saying like praying to the verb

00:24:39.600 i mean that's amazing the souvenir tiger is so profound because we have i mean oh my god over

00:24:48.020 a shelf of my life a life of endless souvenir tigers i mean that's not sure i give my life

00:24:52.380 more credit than that um i but the tiger yeah but that experience of chasing chasing the experience

00:24:58.100 chasing the ecstatic high i mean that's again what i'm kind of like thinking about more like 0.86

00:25:02.860 reading these books it's just kind of the grasping well i'm such a fucking grasper i'm like my hands 0.97

00:25:09.600 are out like i'm completely such a such a goddamn grasper well i am too mentally and i believe we 0.95

00:25:17.120 both are and i think this is part of our thing i i've actually come to find it useful to think 0.98

00:25:21.360 of the metaphor of hands in the brain or my brain having hands okay and my brain goddamn trying to

00:25:26.080 clench on things yeah and literally like like sometimes it's through furrowing of the brow

00:25:31.760 like like it becomes a physicalized metaphor of trying to yeah trying to hold something with the

00:25:37.660 thoughts but i think like you know the inherent dissatisfaction the inherent limitation or the

00:25:45.780 inherent decay of the of the souvenir tiger or whatever you know points beyond itself right so

00:25:52.800 so technically the decaying tiger or the you know the flimsy um false idol souvenir the the mantra

00:26:01.080 suddenly meaning nothing points to something beyond right like like by its by virtue of it

00:26:07.760 being unsatisfying it points that there is something greater so it's like there is an

00:26:11.400 interplay that i think can be like useful you know in the way that we with skincare like we

00:26:18.460 like i think not to not to you know well yes to sort of defend the to spiritualize the consumerism

00:26:25.920 okay yeah but like you and me are not searching for the perfect cream no we're not of course not

00:26:31.680 we are enjoying the process of you know um chasing an ideal and and and trading out our souvenirs

00:26:40.640 it's like i guess like you hope that the souvenir gets bigger and bigger and closer to something

00:26:45.120 and souvenir hoarding is a culture or it's like it's a deeply human endeavor to collect the

00:26:51.080 souvenirs and to try to buy them right and to try to distance what am i going to do what do i want

00:26:55.200 to do wake up truly empty and i say empty in like the buddhist sense like truly unattached and like

00:27:01.140 finally like no and like i will be no we've never actually wanted monk life where it's always been

00:27:12.620 the joke i read the like i read the book by the monk but i would but i don't want the monk's life

00:27:16.880 now there are moments of course okay but even when i'm fantasizing of the monk's life i'm not

00:27:21.160 fantasizing of emptiness and floating around attachment i'm picturing a little room you know

00:27:25.540 a heavenly gorgeous little I'm thinking about the porridge yeah I'm fetishizing the porridge

00:27:31.540 no you know um you've never done a vipassana retreat right like a silent retreat no and you

00:27:39.660 know imagine imagine us us first of all a silent poog okay imagine we recorded an hour of us just

00:27:48.240 gazing into each other's eyes yes and and um that would of course require video or would it

00:27:54.000 imagine if listeners listened to an hour of silence oh my god oh what if we got nominated

00:27:59.920 for a grammy for an hour of silence the first silent that's a people that's a podcast yeah

00:28:05.500 um yeah thinking about myself because i was talking to a friend who went on one and they

00:28:12.620 were saying like they were talking about it and i was like that is so heroic to me and so like i

00:28:18.360 would be the like 10 day silent retreat on day four i'm probably packing up and leaving or have

00:28:23.720 i achieved this state that's so great that i'm or neither it's utterly banal i mean who knows it

00:28:29.140 just it's genuinely an exotic idea to me like the idea of not speak because you can't write you

00:28:33.200 can't read you can't speak right the fact that you can't write to me that like because i'm

00:28:38.320 immediately imagining hoarding journals in the room you know what i mean like that's is i'm

00:28:43.940 actually is what like it's heavy that i'm like what like i'm like i could do it if i could still

00:28:50.460 tacked down language see like privately in the book i'm almost freed i love that you can't read

00:28:57.240 or write because i would then be crushed under that well i'll finally get through some of those

00:29:00.760 novels i'd be like oh completely i can reach read middle march in peace you know like i feel like i

00:29:05.920 would i would immediately pivot toward productivity and how to like use that time so it's there's

00:29:11.860 something wait we're not getting off of this i was gonna say one thing which is like like um i

00:29:17.440 think it's a funny idea like like oh i can quote um like the i can quote like the first three lines

00:29:22.800 of middle march you know why because it's my favorite book no because i've started at 19

00:29:27.020 i've never made it past page 15 you know so i'm like whatever like she had the kind of beauty

00:29:32.520 that's thrown into relief by plain dress or something it's not that that's in there somewhere

00:29:37.420 but like that's but wait the silent retreat i think for you and me you know you and our hands

00:29:45.960 our language okay those are the hands of which we clutch things yeah i think you and me and other

00:29:50.840 things too but so so and that's why talk therapy for us is just more spiraling in the realm we

00:29:58.380 already live in sometimes and trying to solve language problems with language problems and

00:30:04.080 pleasing the therapist which i'm realizing more and more is a huge that is that is my good little 0.99

00:30:10.540 student oh it's it's such fucking bullshit again well it also can hinder diagnoses yeah uh with 0.99

00:30:18.780 depression in particular charming the therapist they think you're a poet i mean i mean they think 1.00

00:30:22.840 they think you're just anyway i know i could i'm screaming and i'm taking over when when my energy

00:30:28.760 is but i'm dying to say something about the silence of course you and me for us passing

00:30:36.500 each other quietly in a hallway on another possible retreat us like scurrying past each

00:30:41.800 other and yet and yet oh my god can you imagine like the panic i see i feel like i'd start writing

00:30:48.180 like doing mnemonics in my head to remember all the things later i wanted to discuss with you

00:30:52.100 which is obviously not the point i would have to talk to myself i would have to whisper my name to

00:30:57.620 myself well you know it calls to me i mean and i did this at certain periods but like you know

00:31:03.240 four hours of chanting four hours of chanting you know like like that really calls to me i 0.96

00:31:09.720 love chanting yeah that can really lift you high oh shit and it doesn't matter what it is even i 0.95

00:31:15.020 mean it's better i guess to go with one of the seed sounds but chanting can really because you're 0.98

00:31:21.360 vibrating your body god god i don't want to do it i want to do it so bad but but you know it's

00:31:25.800 genius you're gonna die okay it's a genius thing in you pray love i said it all right have you

00:31:32.140 good i was waiting for it to come up yeah you've never seen the movie no i've only read the book 0.95

00:31:37.560 jacqueline will you promise me when you get back to la you're coming over i mean am i really gonna

00:31:44.280 like center you pray love this much and like my fantasy of us having a night together but right

00:31:48.560 when it could be so many things it could be so many things but i just think i think we should

00:31:52.200 watch it it's like anyway okay you love it i mean no but it's it's okay it's an important text

00:31:59.760 in the in the in the catalog of contemporary femininity oh my god there it's like very it is

00:32:08.140 it's a it's a stunning artifact of both heaven and hell oh the book like anytime anytime and you

00:32:16.060 know non-fiction is turned into a movie we're gonna have problems it's as simple as that yeah

00:32:21.500 okay like like the form of the memoir means one thing when you try to translate that there's there's

00:32:28.540 just so there's so many there's so many issues there yeah but the book itself is you know elizabeth

00:32:34.280 gilbert talking about her personal experience and and one thing i think is really astute and funny

00:32:39.780 and great is you know so it's eat pray live it's like uh whatever the sec pray is is her she goes

00:32:45.940 to an ashram and and it's going to be a silent you know it's going to be four weeks of silence and

00:32:51.820 and six hours of meditation in the morning and this whole thing and she goes and she's so looking

00:32:56.620 forward to the silence to the to not finally not talk she's a writer you know finally not talking

00:33:01.340 all the kind of stuff we're we're romanticizing and the monks um you know or whoever's running it

00:33:08.100 you know they assign the different people their different tasks kind of chop wood carry water you

00:33:11.880 know like here's what you're doing to help out and they recognize her as like a social like

00:33:16.320 you know kind of person yeah and so they assign her like like meet and greet where she does have

00:33:23.460 to talk like they basically assigned her like like welcoming the people explaining her everything

00:33:29.020 like they assigned her the very thing she went there she was going believing that her work was

00:33:35.140 to escape so so and it was like what a relief so she thinks like she's getting wrong she she thinks

00:33:40.840 like they're wronging her kind of at first i thought you were gonna say so they sent her to

00:33:44.480 go like play with the monkeys or something i was expecting oh like like the fix it no like she

00:33:51.940 actually had to surrender like it was actually a higher teaching like it's really cool like it'd

00:33:57.100 be like it'd be like that wasn't in the movie that's way more profound than most things in

00:34:02.140 that flick yeah it was slim it out um okay well we have to watch that because it's just important

00:34:08.500 for us to watch together um you also need to watch joy luck club yeah you haven't have yet too yeah

00:34:13.760 yeah that's i need you back in la i think i think joy luck club is gonna be big for you

00:34:18.400 Okay, so this is really...

00:34:20.460 We should go to break.

00:34:21.000 Yeah, we should go to break, but I'm having a good time.

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00:36:01.920 We haven't physically been in the same room in months, you reckon?

00:36:05.960 I did note someone comment on Instagram.

00:36:09.000 What if you recorded in the same room?

00:36:10.740 What would happen?

00:36:11.300 Oh, yeah.

00:36:11.620 Well, I'll see you there, hun.

00:36:13.340 See you there.

00:36:14.920 Cackles galore.

00:36:15.980 I wanted to say something just as a brief detail.

00:36:18.400 If anyone from GT Kombucha is listening, who has sent, who has sent, they sent us like

00:36:26.760 coasters, a shirt, like no kombucha.

00:36:32.400 You're, you're, wait, zero kombucha, right?

00:36:35.240 Zero kombucha.

00:36:35.720 listen to me this is a battle cry okay listen gt kombucha of which i am completely loyal okay

00:36:42.200 organic no cane sugar added sugar is only from juice from organic fruit juice honey i would say 0.97

00:36:50.280 on average i'm buying a gt kombucha i'm i'm cracking it open there is no fucking fizz there 0.91

00:36:57.360 is no effervescence and this is a complete this is an this is this is a nightmare and this is 0.93

00:37:02.440 yesterday morning, for example, I buy a kombucha. I crack it open in the car. I'm excited.

00:37:09.240 It's flat kids. How long has this been happening? This is probably it's my easily my eighth bottle

00:37:16.880 where that's happened. And I think I even remember, did I reach out? I don't know. I'm

00:37:21.580 going to have to reach out, but I'm really upset. And I absolutely deserve a goddamn palette of 0.99

00:37:25.440 gingerade kombucha or something. Cause I remain loyal. That's the thing. I remain loyal. 0.99

00:37:30.940 raised yeah i've been doing that with a and what happens particular brand of gummies that i keep

00:37:36.620 buying and it keeps being slimy when they usually have like a sugar-esque coating on it and they're

00:37:42.440 like wet and i just keep i just keep doing it again and again um another quick thing these

00:37:48.260 using coasters and t-shirt with you know with scoffing at them barely contained disdain is

00:37:54.180 oh my god it's so funny and i think it's true like because like technically and i don't know

00:37:59.720 this is going to ruin your chances i don't think it does i think i think the advertisement here

00:38:04.240 even with our complaints is still so massive by the way i remain loyal i'm going if i go to the

00:38:08.260 store today and i'm wanting kombucha i'm still buying gt i'm not switching merch and branded

00:38:13.840 items are very specific in terms of what you go i could use this and i can't use this right

00:38:21.420 are you gonna put out coasters that have a big branding on them first of all i'm an anti-coaster

00:38:28.400 i have a spiritual right i i i'm repulsed by coasters even with even with wood you're like

00:38:34.140 especially with wood i was saying my wood i was raised in a coasterless household and i will say

00:38:38.900 my dad my parents the dining room table that i grew up at which my father was his dining room

00:38:43.460 table yes a beautiful wood table never has a coaster laid upon it and guess what it's fine

00:38:50.660 it's called take care of it yeah don't be a psychopath don't go with a sopping wet

00:38:54.460 do you know what i mean like watch what you're doing don't put a sopping wet glass on the table

00:38:59.080 maybe take some consideration there but no it's fine you maybe have to treat the table a little

00:39:06.520 more to take care of it i don't know certain woods i guess so but i just this coaster thing

00:39:10.300 it's just so protestant no i think spiritually no i think spiritually you're right i don't like it

00:39:15.260 and i just something it really gets it's really hitting choose your table surface it's it's the

00:39:22.340 we can't protect there's certain things we can't protect ourselves and we shouldn't try to protect

00:39:26.040 ourselves from it yeah i the idea of of oh where's my coaster that is such an interruption to what

00:39:32.500 could otherwise be kind of like a sensual nice moment at dinner table that's a to like the the

00:39:38.060 protective barrier that you're trying to to put between the glass and the table to me is like

00:39:43.440 it's so paranoid and it's so it's so anti-pleasure and it's so i don't know i just i don't it's it's

00:39:51.120 like a I think it's a spiritual um thing that I feel like you're interrupting it's like people

00:39:57.660 who no I I think I think you're absolutely right it's also a reminder of this is my stuff

00:40:02.220 don't damage my stuff guests also it's like talk about talk about false idol worship

00:40:06.940 yeah the the pure wood I mean I've never had a time with a coaster when a coaster is involved

00:40:13.540 yeah no it's it's it's true and I think um you know like the classic you know it's a cliche but

00:40:24.280 the first time someone said it share genius right with with like of a joke you know being um why

00:40:30.340 don't they make the plane out of what they make the black box out of the whole plane out of the

00:40:33.660 black box yeah yes genius acknowledge the genius the first time that's that said it's funny you

00:40:39.740 i just want to quickly say there was a boy in like the fifth grade who told that joke and i 0.97

00:40:43.840 thought it was his joke and i remember you must have thought he was a goddamn genius i was blown

00:40:47.960 away by it yeah thank you yeah i wasn't sure if you were gonna give it to me like recognize like 0.82

00:40:54.780 you know what i mean yeah no i was blown away by it it's honestly i'm not kidding it's a formative

00:40:59.060 memory i can see him yeah it's matthew not are you ready for this yeah no relatedly that his name

00:41:07.380 is matthew um there was a contest in our school to name to name the trash yeah okay maybe it was

00:41:16.540 a recycling bin i guess it was a recycling bin okay there was a contest to name the big thing

00:41:22.500 right and people put in all sorts of names and the one that won i think was pretty much a cut

00:41:29.180 above the rest are you ready yeah fill d bin fill the bin meet me needing me like a me needing to

00:41:37.700 say i get it yeah that's really good but for a fifth grader that's pretty genius it's really

00:41:42.580 sweet it's really sweet it blows me away but guess what it's actually a bad name for the trash can

00:41:47.320 it's not what you want no well here's why that's why i specified i think it was the recycling bin

00:41:53.020 and so it was like we do want to fill that bin because oh i stop putting it in the trash

00:41:58.520 reinforces you know this is this is uh this is 90 whatever you know 1990 whatever so yeah actually

00:42:03.880 it it uh you make a good point but on wit alone but wait matthew what did you say that led to that

00:42:11.940 the black box she was saying the cliche the genius of the cliche are you ready i'll take us back

00:42:16.220 so the instinct is well what are we protecting here why isn't the table made of the thing that

00:42:22.000 colors made up yeah right it's layers of so like certain surfaces i don't know marble i don't know

00:42:30.440 i guess this is a certain surfaces can handle it yeah it's like get either get that yeah i don't

00:42:38.860 know i love to come yeah i love because the other problem if you give yourself over to ring stains

00:42:45.320 right on wood entirely i just don't believe they exist and they're gonna become their own they're

00:42:49.420 going to become their own lovely pattern on the wood again i'm sorry i don't believe that ring

00:42:56.160 stains truly exist well i think i just have never seen one i've seen them i've seen them depicted

00:43:04.540 in media i've seen i've maybe seen one before but guess what you just rub it out i don't know i don't

00:43:10.540 believe they're real i hear you but i think this is an issue of the wood that you grew up with

00:43:15.060 because i'd love to see i'd love to see what your wood table is is it there might be a ring

00:43:20.860 polyurethane is it staying no i'm not saying i'm going to spot the rings i'm going to say what

00:43:25.800 that your wood might not be getting rings some is resistant do you know what i mean i'm pretty

00:43:31.040 sure it's walnut and is it does it have a thick polyurethane glaze no i mean i mean again it's

00:43:37.900 treated with with care so it is like yeah they walk they like do the stain treatment or whatever

00:43:43.540 on it but i don't know i'm gonna we have this antique wood thing okay that i adore and it got

00:43:49.020 moved out of my room at one point it was living in my room for a little while and then it was in

00:43:54.700 my sister's room and and when i had it in my room i had a piece of plastic across it to protect the

00:43:59.520 antique and then i came in i see i think my sister's got a mug sitting on it and i so here's

00:44:08.540 the issue when you have protect okay when you're the problem with when you worry about coasters is

00:44:14.200 that then then you get one ring because there's one fuck up okay and now you don't have a new

00:44:20.000 natural pattern of rings spread across the thing just one mistake it's just one and then it's worse

00:44:26.160 so you have to let the mistake you have to let it flow yeah no that makes complete sense um

00:44:34.020 okay can i do another kind of like pop-up keep it coming here's another little thing which is

00:44:39.720 i of course was posting on the poog instagram because i you and i both were on planes at the

00:44:44.500 same time this last week and i was i got a free upgrade to delta comfort plus and it was the most

00:44:51.580 remarkable and i literally said to the guy next to me goes this is like business class i couldn't

00:44:55.160 believe i was sailing sat down there i may have never the controls for for example comfort plus

00:45:00.520 in my experience is essentially main cabin it's like well that's that's mentally what you you

00:45:06.400 thought it was right it's even more space i was in a separate even more space there was the delta

00:45:10.380 one pods and then there was a separate area that was just comfort plus and how i meant to ask the

00:45:16.440 attendant like what's going on because i was like this is not comfort plus this is business class

00:45:20.460 the chair was completely different there was so much space that the little knobs to you know

00:45:25.440 adjust the chair were like first class level like it was a completely different i was done

00:45:29.920 those right meanwhile i was i was taken with the kind of the grime down below you know i'm talking

00:45:35.620 about the grime down below oh just generally yeah i don't i don't they're have you know because

00:45:41.660 they're all really proud of their upped cleaning policies at the moment so they're like so they're

00:45:46.440 like making big announcements before you get on the plane okay we've just finished our complete

00:45:50.100 sanitization i go on there's just a nut sitting in the center of my seat literally yeah and i'm

00:45:55.000 like okay there's like blood splattered across the screen i'm like so you wiped things down

00:45:59.240 here's my question where's the hoover i know oh truly that's what's missing from the plane

00:46:04.540 they ain't vacuuming vacuum but i'll just say that we um go on we start to ascend into the sky

00:46:10.540 and i'm tapping my screen going because i got all excited i'm gonna watch some movies i'm gonna

00:46:16.040 watch some yeah and then i um i noticed none of the screens are turning on i look around me no

00:46:22.580 one has a screen on i go that's strange we're in the air we fully we've achieved you know cruising

00:46:26.800 altitude I tap it I say to the guy next to me go hey is your screen turning on he goes actually no

00:46:31.880 I talked I talked to the flight attendant I go I don't hit the button but I wait for her to

00:46:36.200 naturally pass and I ask her and he goes to me he was like he's like good job being assertive

00:46:43.100 which I thought was weird because I by the way did he mean I mean was he no no he was being

00:46:48.520 genuine because I said to her obviously very in a very polite way I was like excuse me I wonder

00:46:52.440 if something's wrong with the screen did she look around you and oh no one's is on that is weird

00:46:55.740 and he was like good job being assertive or something i just oh he meaning the guy next to

00:47:00.240 you yeah yeah oh my god wow or something he was like genuinely impressed i was like

00:47:04.220 the hell is this and then he proceeded to have five double vodka cranberries

00:47:10.260 and when i say five i mean five doubles doubles doubles honey you heard the word

00:47:15.540 i'm impressed doubles and he was in delta comfort they're not free right they were free

00:47:22.420 all alcohol is free i almost got a hard seltzer than i didn't because i just was like uh um but

00:47:27.960 he had five double seltz double vodka cranberries and was so like when he asked for the fifth one

00:47:35.060 he didn't appear drunk at all or even moderately even tipsy and i had some kind of engagement with

00:47:40.940 him like we talked a little bit because we got up i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna stop talking about

00:47:45.920 this but i just want to say i love it the screen's never turned on and besides that the cabin lights

00:47:52.700 wouldn't wouldn't turn on so you couldn't even read the the lights above and this was just in

00:47:57.720 the delta comfort no lights would turn on too and then here's the third blow the charging part ports 0.99

00:48:04.740 weren't functioning so if i had a little and you were you were in a chair i was in a fucking chair 0.87

00:48:12.040 in the dark you said that to me you're like i'm just in a chair in a tube or something i was in 0.84

00:48:17.160 a chair and thank god i had my little remote charger so i could i listened to you know music

00:48:22.700 and zoned out and i read some pima on my ipad but if i hadn't had that my devices would have failed

00:48:28.940 and then i would have been completely in a chair subjected to vipassana delta and i would have been

00:48:35.480 delta vipassana is actually across my mind i thought what if i just sit here and i meditate

00:48:40.800 for like five hours what if you oh well the the time the times that i've i've i've planned for

00:48:47.240 spiritual greatness on a on a plane okay like that's why i got annoyed i was like i was like

00:48:53.060 deep in my like wood bin and i almost just got tired of myself always having to like you know

00:48:58.300 go go i've gotten i've started poogie air but i've started putting on movies not not plugging

00:49:04.960 the headphones in just sort of having something lightly on that i can glance at that that's

00:49:10.240 interesting i had mabel on the plane she finally got the attention she deserved although this was

00:49:14.440 a little going through tsa i have to carry her out and this tsa was like can i pet her and i was like 1.00

00:49:19.080 yes and then i saw her like taking like you know the gloved the plastic gloved hand over to mabel's

00:49:24.720 head oh and it's that thing you know you know when they they're wearing gloves it's like it's like

00:49:29.500 people forget that wearing gloves doesn't mean sanitization it means germ transfers to the 0.99

00:49:34.440 highest degree yeah so now it's now it's wearing gloves on mabel's head wiping your ass and then 0.95

00:49:40.940 you're yeah yeah and so it's like and the glove is the very thing that's touched everything that 0.98

00:49:45.080 she's been everything she's been protecting herself yeah exactly i was like yeah and then

00:49:48.900 i was looking at mabel i'm like all right jesus but anyway there was a lot of attention around

00:49:53.460 oh kitty and when she would meow people going like oh is she scared and whatever and i really

00:49:58.060 appreciate it very sweet then you're ready for this so on one of one of the journeys i sit down

00:50:02.900 right away when the guy comes to see i go i go i go i have a cat are you allergic to cats okay

00:50:07.800 it's my first question and the guy says you know no and and i go okay okay great and i go she might

00:50:13.600 be a little loud but she usually settles down okay and he's like anyone who travels with kids

00:50:19.020 knows you know it gets it i used to travel with four boys under eight okay it was fabulous and

00:50:23.440 then and then and then on the flight to new york same thing okay an older guy okay an older man

00:50:30.300 sort of maybe you know 60 or something similar similar to are you allergic cats he goes actually

00:50:36.260 yes but it's mild okay and I was like I think they'll that he's like swapped me out I was like

00:50:42.420 absolutely like we can make that happen or I can move or whatever and he's like you know what I

00:50:48.360 think I'm gonna not worry about it wow hot and I was like it was cool because I was like he was

00:50:56.640 talking to me like a regular person like that's that's something me and my mother would say yeah

00:51:02.200 yeah like so you know i think we're not worried about it like that's almost yeah that's did you 0.99

00:51:07.240 psychologically on another level what did you say i said did you fuck midair 0.98

00:51:12.940 but then he's like talking about his then he's talking about his kids having um his daughters 0.98

00:51:23.420 having cats and whatever oh my god i love a father in the air something happens with the dads up

00:51:30.380 there i can't explain it i saw more pilots in the in the in the thing eating in the very same

00:51:36.740 restaurant okay that i was eating they do still with them and just looking at them they eat with

00:51:41.760 a dignity because they have to keep up they really do i mean how are they so specific every time how

00:51:48.480 was there such little um diversity of you know literally all forms but like personality no i

00:51:55.840 know they're all like stamped out they're like absolutely it is strange it is strange you never

00:52:02.160 meet one where you go you know i was once on a plane where the pilot appeared hammered almost

00:52:08.400 what was he saying i feel like i talked about this never on poog but just in my life like he was

00:52:13.340 unhinged in a way that like I remember passengers kind of all looking at each other like uh-oh

00:52:21.120 because I remember hearing about um as you can imagine there's a separate AA recovery group for

00:52:29.900 pilots and I remember hearing that and go that's totally fair of course there are people in

00:52:36.480 recovery you know that's not true at all um so like of course there were but i was just like

00:52:43.800 huh i remember hearing that and that kind of getting in and going oh yeah of course they're

00:52:48.260 fucking drunk up there oh wow like of course they've had a little real issue and i'm sure

00:52:53.600 i've talked about scully i mean sorry i was about to go like scully really important to me 0.98

00:53:00.400 oh scully's the show the charlie's the show wait oh no i mean um scully is um scully's the

00:53:08.820 white-haired angel who landed us in the hudson files what sully captain sully sullenberg okay

00:53:15.260 so sully was huge for me i was obsessed okay when chris was like chris like was like i'm gonna show

00:53:21.320 you something and it was when that movie was coming out telling the tale of sully starring

00:53:24.520 tom hanks and chris is just like holds out the phone to me with a with a news story saying that

00:53:29.160 there's going to be that movie and I like looked at it and I just go yes they were going to make a

00:53:37.940 movie about it and then I was going to get to watch it oh we've talked about this because I

00:53:41.020 saw the plane land but I didn't know it was that or I saw it coming down okay that's this is very

00:53:45.500 sweet that's why you have such an attachment to him we've covered you were there you were live

00:53:48.940 on the scene but then and then my favorite like like imagined joke is is to play to on the plane

00:53:55.060 pretend like i but i've gotten misinformation that sully is actually captaining our flight

00:54:00.080 this is a it's a bit i don't do it okay yeah but just me going yeah so me sort of leaning

00:54:05.420 on the ass just looking looking around the other passengers me leaning out in the aisle and then 0.54

00:54:08.840 going go sully oh my god wait i have to say something okay if these major airlines were 0.99

00:54:14.700 even half as smart as i am they would do a huge promotion they would go you know what we're gonna

00:54:19.500 do we're gonna pay sully a handsome fee and in the month of december he's gonna fly

00:54:24.460 four flights and we're going to announce at the top hey folks we've got a really special pilot

00:54:29.380 today i mean are you fucking kidding me or you know what they should do have celebrity co-pilots 0.89

00:54:33.260 they go they go well they go tonight tonight freaking i can't think of a single celebrity 0.95

00:54:39.940 right now give me any celebrity i don't know why vince vaughn is the only one that came into my

00:54:44.240 head i don't know why but imagine if they go i like they go tonight vince vaughn's the co-pilot

00:54:48.420 he gets on he goes hey folks we're gonna have fun not only do you get a little excitement right and

00:54:53.480 then your your allegiance to delta is solidified for life there is a real feeling that that plane

00:54:58.660 will never go down with a celeb in the cockpit or as i speak i now of course pivot to the opposite

00:55:04.760 which it seems more likely because it seems like a historic thing of like if you die on a plane

00:55:10.580 with a celebrity your life is automatically snuffed out of the history books right like if

00:55:16.760 you're on flight whatever that goes down with vince vaughn in the cockpit your life becomes

00:55:21.560 a footnote yeah it's like you're overpowered even more and so although maybe there is some

00:55:27.540 folklore like yeah you know that guess who was on that freaking you know no you're you're elevated

00:55:32.960 and reduced yeah same time okay you're elevated because you know you know you didn't just die

00:55:38.660 in a plane crash you died in the vince vond but it's a it's a you're cashing in for too small

00:55:43.640 and this is why death on a roller coaster okay it might be the worst death okay because it's

00:55:51.040 just to have no okay general patent i say this because i put on patent because i on the movie

00:55:57.760 you know uh what's his name george c scott or whatever um i put on and it's a i think it's a

00:56:04.240 kubrick film anyway general patent believed in in um past lives majorly so much so that when he

00:56:12.980 was leading troops around um uh some part of france he he he knew the area oh hell yeah he

00:56:22.160 said i've been here before and i'll tell you like the hills over there and i've been here before

00:56:25.820 he's lived many lives as like a warrior of various forms okay and and he's lived all these

00:56:31.540 lives and he remembers them he talks he talks about it and this is a hard-ass military general

00:56:35.560 and um he died um run over by an apple cart okay in this life

00:56:45.200 okay so survive you know endless battles whatever whatever dies in just a

00:56:51.100 utter crossing a street apple cart takes i love it okay it's perfect

00:56:55.820 i just i'm dying to look up the anecdote i'm dying to read it to you because it's one of

00:57:03.580 my favorite things let me just see if i can grab it really really quick that's what's strange about

00:57:07.660 proximity like the desire to meet a huge celebrity like the desire to shake you know princess diana's

00:57:13.820 hand right because like the proximity somehow elevates you but you are erased it's like

00:57:19.300 the fascination exactly that proximity proximity is an elevation that that that but it caps you

00:57:27.000 yeah uh what does it remind me of it's almost like um well you know i will say

00:57:32.000 pooger you know and i'm sorry folks pooger is gonna go on as long as it goes on um to me

00:57:37.720 first class delta comfort what have you it feels like you're tempting the gods even more to crash

00:57:44.600 okay because it's very anytime anytime there's danger combined with luxury yeah okay or luxury

00:57:51.140 alone i'm like people think they can't die here and by the way in first class you really feel like

00:57:57.360 you'll never die up there. And, and, but then that's exactly the thing that makes me think

00:58:02.620 we're, we're, you know, you know, and the satanic, the, the, the, the dramatic, dramatic

00:58:07.460 irony lines, you know, I was up there going, lucky me. I won't have no thank you on that

00:58:11.040 piece of cake. Yeah. Yeah. You know, lifetime on the lips. I mean, no, I, I mean, I was up

00:58:15.920 there going, look at me upgraded. And then I was in a chair, a chair of darkness for almost

00:58:20.700 six hours. I found it. Thank God. And I found the only way I was Googling the patent thing

00:58:25.860 about past lives and then the i was like i can't find it so instead i turned to my own resource

00:58:31.080 material cue cards from a failed project um i got i got the anecdotes are you ready for this

00:58:37.660 here it comes folks it's world war one general george s patton's first assignment lands him in

00:58:44.240 longer france a french liaison officer offers to guide him around showing the sights of this

00:58:49.940 ancient roman town but instead patten ends up giving the frenchman the tour providing exact

00:58:56.220 directions to the roman amphitheater the forum and the temples to mars and apollo here's a quote

00:59:01.820 i thought this was your first time in longer says the confused frenchman

00:59:05.800 no no patten explained i served here in caesar's 10th legion

00:59:11.260 wow i guess i i'm like i don't believe it did you not process that no no no you don't believe it

00:59:19.560 okay no he remembers like all sorts of other ones are you ready for this one do you know

00:59:23.780 steven steven seagal steven seagal okay he is recognized by the buddhist community

00:59:29.140 as turton chung drag door george's uh reincarnation i don't yep okay um seagull's prominent and is as

00:59:38.580 prominent in the community as the dalai lama wait a minute he's not yet completed the formal study

00:59:43.120 and uh something required for full enthronement all right this is my other favorite one you ready

00:59:48.140 these are these are my notes from pulled from various sources and i'm i absolutely will not

00:59:53.320 offer you know the sources you know who cares right um a man is at a cocktail party this is

01:00:02.240 how i phrased it i think i think this was my phrasing to set up the sort of punch line or

01:00:06.720 any over a casual chat about the jacobins someone someone mentions how awful it must have been to be

01:00:13.080 guillotined. It was these like, um, tyrants in France, in France. Okay. I don't have that quite 0.72

01:00:19.700 right, but let's just whatever. Okay. They were running around like, like guillotining everyone,

01:00:24.120 I think. And, and, uh, a man is at a cocktail party over a casual chat about the Jackman's.

01:00:28.700 Someone mentions how awful it must've been to, to have been guillotined. This man finds himself

01:00:33.900 inexplicably saying, Oh no, it doesn't hurt. You don't feel anything except for your head hit the

01:00:38.700 basket and that's it that man was Sylvester Stallone okay this isn't penetrating me I can't

01:00:50.480 explain why no I I you don't have to it doesn't have to penetrate you I find it absolutely thrilling

01:00:56.740 that that um that these these characters have such distinct past life memories and then that

01:01:03.620 they've been noted or spoken about publicly I can't even see I'm trying to get back to the thing

01:01:08.160 pretty profound um yeah here's a realization i had i noted down on my pug to discuss notes

01:01:13.180 this is like almost the only one that made it in uh let's see

01:01:17.460 highballs okay i was sitting there ordering look looking at a cocktail menu and i was like

01:01:28.540 finally able to realize that i that a highball i was like that's one of the ones that always

01:01:32.940 call it comes in the skinny glass with a straw okay that alone i know you relate to this that

01:01:38.840 alone makes me not want it oh yeah nothing have you ever ordered a cocktail some incredible

01:01:43.460 cocktail and it arrives in a skinny thing with a straw and a bunch of ice and you were picturing

01:01:48.600 some kind of martini glass or even like even like a tumbler with one big rock in it

01:01:54.360 you know a tumbler but like oh my god a highball glass but the skinny you're like well this better

01:02:00.320 me five dollars and also you know what you know what else because do you know what a highball

01:02:05.720 actually isn't it just a whiskey ginger you have to google it well it's any drink that is a spirit

01:02:11.460 plus usually some kind of seltzer or larger quantity item like seltzer like soda so technically

01:02:19.140 rum and coke whiskey ginger those are all highballs interesting so so you're getting more volume

01:02:25.340 i don't know i i but i was just thinking but i ordered something and then it comes that way

01:02:29.280 and you're like oh yeah it's always like like a citrusy they're like oh it's tequila citrus 0.97

01:02:33.720 lavender infused whatever and you get excited and then it's in a fucking one of those glasses 0.84

01:02:38.600 i always want the small rounded martini glass type cocktail that when that's coming my way 0.95

01:02:45.060 with a little flower you get excited something and you get so excited something on like a tumbler

01:02:50.600 with a big rock in it i like a little ice well you love a manhattan yeah but a manhattan

01:02:55.700 Which impresses me.

01:02:56.540 Classically served up.

01:02:58.200 Manhattan was my drink for years.

01:02:59.380 I could make a Manhattan perfectly, but then the whiskey, too many headaches.

01:03:03.340 Meaning no ice, right?

01:03:04.940 Correct.

01:03:06.480 We really have to go.

01:03:08.940 I mean, again, happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

01:03:11.640 Well, now it's over.

01:03:14.200 What a great, really great way to start the day.

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01:03:20.600 Yeah, I'm fine.

01:03:21.960 I mean, I'm fine.

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