Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - April 27, 2021


Spas

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The Bleed The Big Switch

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00:00:34.920 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.
00:00:36.440 I'm Jacqueline Novak.
00:00:37.560 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.
00:00:42.280 Two untamable intellects.
00:00:44.060 This is our hobby. 0.97
00:00:44.900 This is our hell.
00:00:45.760 This is our naked desire for free products.
00:00:48.040 This is POOG.
00:00:49.460 Today's topic, loosely speaking, escaping Giselle, the phantom sibling, the name Carol.
00:00:55.280 if i look greasy it's because i managed to as usual cover my face and product before getting on
00:01:03.400 actually i don't always manage to do that but i did it today hi welcome i want to say how brave
00:01:08.220 i am to be routinely hideous in the info in the um not the info graphic yeah in the in the video
00:01:15.360 in fact there have been a couple videos say that considering you look actually uh stunning every
00:01:19.820 single time so no the last couple i remember specifically me being like we can't use the
00:01:24.060 video on this one because i'm too haggard and then it appears and then i ultimately don't care
00:01:27.720 right because i've you know done the inner work to get beyond that it's so hard but what are you
00:01:32.900 gonna do you know you're gonna do wait there's so many things i'm excited i must say okay i'm
00:01:37.220 excited to talk about so much okay so one because you know we're heading in a direction of of
00:01:42.780 reopenings i'm starting to think a lot about spas okay i'm starting to fantasize a lot about going
00:01:46.880 to spas and it's not i say it at reopening as though you know to get back to my old life of
00:01:52.460 going to spas but it's not like I went to spas all the time it's probably happened like four
00:01:56.400 times total or something you know what I mean right so I want to be clear about that you know
00:02:00.600 but I do I want to sit and I want to talk about spas I want to know all of your spa experiences
00:02:05.860 and I want to know what you like and what you hate well it'll be the story will it'll be over
00:02:10.920 fast because I don't have a lot of spa experience I would love the listeners to know that I reached
00:02:15.520 out to maybe it will remain nameless or maybe we'll flood their account with shame I reached
00:02:19.820 out to a certain um this is huge this is huge i'm really thank you asking if they'd want to host us
00:02:27.120 for a measly night one night sharing a room not even asking for two rooms okay full sleepover
00:02:33.840 asking for one room i'm sorry we don't do collaborations did you say that because this
00:02:38.380 is actually actually i'm really excited to get into this i didn't specify one room i did not
00:02:42.980 specify one room and i'm not i'm sure as hell not going back and going even if it's one room
00:02:47.880 no i was already humiliated no because i what i want the listeners to understand is you know we
00:02:52.300 even we poured over the email together right i added a few tweaks okay because i was like i think
00:02:58.160 you you at first said like you know could um would you guys you know give us a room for a night or
00:03:03.940 something like that and then or a discount and i said remove the discount thing okay let them
00:03:08.180 don't give them the option for discount see i wish i'd left in the discount because what if they go 0.97
00:03:12.180 oh here's 30 off i'll take it yeah no no that's trash kate that's trash we don't we don't want 0.86
00:03:17.180 that okay it's free or we pay no no but here's the thing you ask for a free night if they're 0.66
00:03:22.540 discount people i think they would offer well here's a promo code for 20 off yeah okay like
00:03:29.680 hey can we get a free meal no but then they know whatever no and i i was hurt as well you were like
00:03:36.560 what did you say you sent me so so you sent it off yeah we were very excited we were confident
00:03:41.660 pride goeth okay pride goeth and we go and we went for one of the changes i made i think you
00:03:48.400 said something like i forget how you said it's almost like can we get a room it wasn't that
00:03:52.640 crass okay but and i changed it to will you host would you be interested in hosting kate and
00:03:58.040 jack that's brilliant that's a day and an evening completely shifts the the context just the
00:04:03.920 framing we're interested in hosting and then i like to try to title these emails partnerships
00:04:08.820 yeah yeah i mean i i know yeah oh god it hurt when you said you said they rejected us i think
00:04:16.220 is what you said we've been rejected yes they responded we don't do collaborations like that
00:04:20.980 but we'll reach out in the future if we do you know what here's my credit card just take it all 0.95
00:04:26.200 bitch i mean i still want to go with you i'm happy to pay i'm totally happy to pay i'm happy to pay 0.95
00:04:31.740 also we're gonna share a room we're gonna split it's fine it's fun sleep over no i just i paused 0.97
00:04:36.740 for a moment to go i mean do we it's a it's a spa the place is called fine here here we go the
00:04:43.360 place is called two bunch palms outside of palm springs i mean it's just i don't think the poog
00:04:51.640 listeners i think they know enough that they won't flood it with hate because that wouldn't
00:04:56.500 lead to us getting more spot that we can never set foot on the property right however i could
00:05:02.640 However, maybe, you know, the POOG listeners can apply some gentle pressure.
00:05:11.440 A little bit of just, just, hey, we really want to hear a live episode from.
00:05:17.700 We were offering to record live from the hotel room.
00:05:21.040 Yeah.
00:05:21.480 And they didn't bite.
00:05:23.080 Here's the things we offer for a measly single night.
00:05:26.180 We offer to go live on Insta.
00:05:29.220 okay we offered to um i think you said something about share photography of the property
00:05:36.920 okay and you're saying property i don't know why i think it's just because it's
00:05:43.060 hotelier jargon yeah yeah right and then and then and then what was the third offer um
00:05:49.680 you know yeah it was photos of the property it was instagram posts and it was of course
00:05:54.720 mentions on the pod and and i almost you know tried to i tried to save like 300 bucks yeah and
00:06:01.500 and and well just you know there's that thrill there's that thrill like we can do it and and i
00:06:07.940 i enjoy you know there is something to paying for something because there's pleasure in treating
00:06:15.220 yourself there sure is and i just want to say jacqueline that i think we should still go and
00:06:21.860 and that's all i'll say you're afraid me agreeing to go on the trip with you
00:06:25.620 is falling apart under the my fear of not going on the trip with you is so overwhelming because
00:06:30.120 i just like i i just need it so deeply and i think it'll be so fun and you have not offered
00:06:33.940 resistance i'm just i always you know it's just scary what if it doesn't happen i can't sit in
00:06:39.180 in the reality of it not happening that's why i say we just get it on the books i mean i feel
00:06:43.160 wild i say hey we just you know it's going three days you know why rush why oh plan in three weeks
00:06:47.700 then things happen you know mark a date now what is your dream spa like okay now now i haven't i'm
00:06:53.140 trying to think the spa the spa experience is my life water water water water heat water heat water
00:06:58.360 water heat and cold plunge of course and a cold plunge punctuating the heat so is it about water
00:07:04.440 and heat i think it's about stone as well for me i'm just saying dream okay i think stone the
00:07:09.300 presence of stone whether that's a looming mountain okay or that's a hot stones applied
00:07:15.360 rocks have always been yeah are rocks well right they're central for you of course
00:07:19.800 you know with my upbringing but no stone but stone and rock is really important to me oh
00:07:26.060 absolutely i always thought it was mountains over ocean i rediscovered the ocean in the last three
00:07:30.720 years something growing up in la i know but the ocean to me was always kind of cheesy i don't
00:07:35.760 know i just didn't you took it for granted as an la as an la girl i took it for granted
00:07:39.680 and i just didn't really care for it and then three years ago i had a transformative summer
00:07:44.920 i was boogie boarding wildly i was like spending like six hours at the beach i was like boogie
00:07:50.480 boarding boogie boarding okay that let's spend some time with that because people will be shocked
00:07:54.700 wildly boogie boarding feeling death come up to meet my face and then turn away as i plunge into
00:08:01.900 the in the icy cold water do you think you're at risk of death or you just mean just the symbolic
00:08:06.000 experience of no it's scary you have to catch a wave and you get smashed into the you know the
00:08:10.740 under you know you're gripped by the sea do you have a little thing around your ankle do you have
00:08:14.300 little velcro thing around your ankle attaching you to your boogie board okay so so i was attached
00:08:20.020 for a while but then i got scared what if that drives me i knew it i knew that would be scary
00:08:24.780 so i detached but boogie boarding and i catch a wave honey i get good okay i ride it all the way
00:08:31.920 out okay and like there's like 12 year old boys like whoa like checking me out as i hysterical
00:08:38.320 as you're like brag like the 12 year old boogie boating boys were like as i ride yeah like my 0.96
00:08:45.060 like tits like released by the sea it's like the wave like rips down my bikini top the feeling of 0.98
00:08:52.260 the brutality of the waves okay ripping one's bathing suit like so many things happen with 0.98
00:08:58.300 the bathing suit that are a problem beside himself tearing it tearing it because it's like first
00:09:03.320 there's the like i've never gone into water unless it's like a speedo you know i've never gone into
00:09:08.820 water and not had it just like like as i'm emerging having to like pull it back up to cover
00:09:13.800 and then there's that thing that weird bubble thing that happens in the butt of a bathing suit
00:09:17.800 like where it's like what is that is it filled with i think it's like filled air a pocket of
00:09:22.760 air yeah it's very 90s i feel like that stopped happening in the early aughts they figured it
00:09:28.220 out to release the air i want to say i'm scared of the ocean which i think part of what was so
00:09:32.700 healing about coming to love it but like i'm fully scared of it and so and there is something about
00:09:37.620 i think because i was okay so i was about to say that when i'm like maybe it's 4 p.m i've been in
00:09:43.980 the ocean all day and i'm coming out right and like my my hair is kind of clinging to my shoulders
00:09:48.320 and i feel like giselle like you know those like people like giselle for me like i'll never be free
00:09:54.440 from giselle right because i'm a woman of a certain age she came on the scene she came on
00:09:59.180 the scene it's like and i was like that's a woman like giselle and so no no no i'm with you yeah i
00:10:07.500 almost like need to have it deleted that i said i feel like giselle because it's the most humiliating
00:10:11.440 thing i've ever said well there is it's like you know living through imagery it's like yeah like
00:10:18.080 i can only i'm just making a note because i i don't want to forget to say this i remember once
00:10:22.000 i've never forgotten when you said giselle for a second i panicked and asked myself
00:10:26.380 like did you say the right word because i once saw on the television society you can dance okay
00:10:33.400 my favorite choreographer on there maya mia michaels fuck all right whatever okay never
00:10:41.720 seen it but it's an amazing show okay it's an amazing show it's like it's incredible 0.64
00:10:47.520 no no and i'm sorry i'm okay i i don't i don't know why i'm over giselle i just want to say i
00:10:55.020 no longer i'm free now yet you believe the show would be below her okay so so the mia michaels
00:11:04.400 was like describing a dancer and describing and she was trying to describe um and she goes she
00:11:09.900 goes like you just you moved like um like an animal like a like a you know cat like um no you
00:11:15.820 moved like a giselle oh no and then the the other judges were like you mean a gazelle okay and she
00:11:25.100 goes like they're like giselle's the model okay and she was like ew she was like oh god she was
00:11:30.880 like ew she was humiliated and i felt it i understood it deeply yeah yeah because you're
00:11:35.580 trying to name an animal and you accidentally have revealed sort of the knowledge of also people
00:11:40.700 don't even know how a gazelle moves now that just means well true like now a gazelle no one knows
00:11:46.100 what that is i would argue so they're just saying us saying it though i can imagine us reaching for
00:11:52.560 the i mean what do gazelles do they move fast and they have live bodies or whatever lives yeah i
00:11:58.300 think it's just like people equate like an animal with a raw sensuality or a raw freedom in their
00:12:03.640 own body and so anyone who seems to kind of be dipping into some unselfconscious expression right
00:12:09.080 must be an animal or a gazelle right not a human with passion or whatever yeah not a giselle
00:12:14.800 strutting down the runway and i want to say 2000 you know giselle because now i'm talking about
00:12:21.460 giselle oh no giselle giselle giselle i but i felt for her i really felt for her okay i really felt
00:12:27.460 for her um oh i thought you said fell because no i know i don't you thought i fell for giselle
00:12:32.800 yeah we all did it was hell i think yeah i think when giselle came there was kind of a shock it
00:12:38.160 was like breaking the four minute mile or whatever okay of beauty it was like we didn't know that
00:12:43.520 was possible or something oh and now that we know you know when they broke the four minute mile okay
00:12:47.960 not really like so like the four minute mile was really hard and whoever broke it olympics way back
00:12:52.060 when like no one could no one could run in you know a mile under four minutes or whatever and
00:12:56.940 then someone did and then like everyone else did kind of quickly after that not everyone else
00:13:00.280 clearly to be clear not everyone else the finest of athletes at the top the very top right others
00:13:05.080 were able to do it but it's this thing where one person breaks through and that makes other people
00:13:09.760 realize it's possible and then they do whatever it takes which is you know exciting but but wait
00:13:14.660 Giselle no but I felt for me and Michael's because that embarrassment of reaching for one word and
00:13:19.800 saying a word that portrays some kind of like greater familiarity with like pop culture than
00:13:24.820 whatever like realm you're trying to speak in is humiliating and it reminds me of like there's been
00:13:30.820 times where this has happened to me with food where like it's almost like you know I accidentally
00:13:35.880 slip and say food revealing I'm hungry instead of like whatever yeah yeah yeah of course me and my
00:13:41.000 friend in high school had this joke about like like that very issue and it'd be like we were
00:13:45.060 playing field hockey and it was like it was like hey did you catch the game I mean play the game
00:13:49.760 like game like meat like like it was something like you know like like that was that was the
00:13:56.460 most obscure one but like accidentally referring to catching pheasant okay right right instead of
00:14:01.160 like you know did you catch the film like did you catch the pheasant something isn't clicking for
00:14:06.580 me i felt confused no that's okay i i can't it's ocd okay where something appears in my mind and i
00:14:12.460 have to share it and it's fine it is what it is but i want to know if you could walk into a spa
00:14:17.320 i'm sorry i know this is very formal okay so the spa describe the dream of what a spa would be so
00:14:22.040 here's this might be a shock i classically am not like a spa person like i don't yeah i get
00:14:26.540 very stressed out in a spa like a massage to me is always hell i like massage but it's also it
00:14:32.960 took me i'd say last year i was finally able to relax a massage i always was praying for it to be
00:14:37.580 over right and then i realized oh people massages who are like ah like are they pretending like
00:14:43.460 they're pretending to be so relaxed and then maybe they actually get relaxed maybe they really are
00:14:48.120 no it's probably just me who's like could you fall asleep in a massage ever could you be that
00:14:51.720 relaxed i have that's nice like i'm soaring i'm elsewhere have you ever had sexual tension during
00:14:58.520 a massage well no i mean the the joke is like me thinking when they're helping me in yoga that
00:15:06.020 that like when the yoga teacher comes over and makes adjustments on me it's because they're in
00:15:11.960 love with me and they see something special in me and when they make adjustments on other people
00:15:16.080 it's to hide the
00:15:17.440 it's to hide their love of me
00:15:19.100 that is so
00:15:21.160 look I do it to everyone
00:15:22.620 that's absolutely real
00:15:24.840 that's like when I took John to see Magic Mike live
00:15:27.940 for his 30th birthday
00:15:29.200 and I was like genuinely convinced
00:15:32.020 I was like they're looking at me in a different way
00:15:33.640 I'm kind of like an alt indie girl here
00:15:36.200 everyone else is very like Vegas crowd
00:15:38.160 they're like looking at me
00:15:40.160 they see something special
00:15:41.600 I almost became
00:15:42.760 am I going to like hang out at the bar
00:15:45.680 after and try to like I actually could see that for myself like waiting oh I completely saw it
00:15:49.860 like that I would like wait afterward and these are not even like people that like something about
00:15:54.420 them it was really shocking because I would never think of myself as being attracted to like
00:15:57.920 that that overt sexual or just like that like guy who's like it was so mystifying to me and then it
00:16:04.300 fully worked and it was really amazing to feel like I'm truly in the palm of their hand and like
00:16:07.760 any eye contact they made with me felt so loaded I was like sir I am not here for that you know
00:16:13.700 and then um hysterical but then i was like going home at night being like maybe i would like hire 0.98
00:16:18.700 like a guy like that to fuck me like you know i was like on the website like angels and 0.98
00:16:23.320 no demons or something i was on some website looking like it was like angels and cowboys 1.00
00:16:29.780 or some website like prostitutes yeah and i was like would i like do that you know no i know and 0.98
00:16:35.420 then i was like god it's expensive and then i you know but begging for free prostitutes 0.73
00:16:40.220 yeah but uh oh but i'll just say i was with john and i was like you tell him he's really looking
00:16:47.540 at me yes of course and john was like okay hey they're actively stripping like this is what the
00:16:52.900 job is i'm dying and i'm like that's really amazing that is like the theater and then that
00:16:57.780 obviously points to the inherent theater of sex right so huge topic here huge um but i was gonna
00:17:03.460 say that i think the masseuse but i was gonna say i think i do get uncomfortable in massages maybe
00:17:08.040 because i'm worried that the masseuse that like she'll think that i'm hoping it'll lead to sex 0.52
00:17:12.600 and maybe that's right that's crazy okay let's go to break yeah let's go to break and i because
00:17:16.940 i'm not totally done talking about massage i won't lie okay there's more to be said
00:17:20.140 okay hi guys we're back we're back we're back we're back i mean i i was thinking about this
00:17:32.300 well your joke about like being an only child and you can't imagine having a brother the sexual
00:17:37.100 attention would be unreal or whatever yeah or you don't imagine you don't know how people
00:17:40.300 have siblings or whatever and i was thinking about this morning while brushing my teeth i was
00:17:44.060 thinking about you saying that because what's so funny about that joke is like that's not the case
00:17:48.180 and so it's like revealing the profundity of your only child perspective how excited i am yeah like
00:17:54.060 yeah i was almost like wait how would i even describe like what that relationship is like
00:17:58.040 like so sad i can't even fathom it the ultimate that's like the real side like i it's actually
00:18:02.420 beyond my comprehension i mean yeah it's um i think it would have been good for me ultimately
00:18:07.260 well you know it's kind of a weird thing that i sort of enjoy sometimes like a family that has
00:18:12.280 like my mother has two sisters right she has no brothers right and i know that family and i think
00:18:16.860 about the family and it's sort of like okay what like if they had produced a male what would that
00:18:21.900 male have been like do you see i'm saying like there's something fascinating about it like because
00:18:25.660 i know like does your mother do your parents have siblings yes and that's all i'll say no
00:18:31.440 do they both have my mom has a my mom has a a living sister and my dad has a living brother
00:18:37.900 what about the ones who are gone well okay actually were those brothers my dad only has
00:18:42.360 one brother my mom has a sister and had a brother okay so in the case of your dad just sort of
00:18:49.960 imagining your dad has a brother you said yeah so like imagining what your dad's sister may have
00:18:55.500 been like oh my god incredible i can't if i've never thought of that i know it's huge okay so
00:18:59.780 my mother is two sisters you know very conscious of sort of that generation in that family of these
00:19:05.660 these three women and what they're like as a result of coming from these two pairs and it's 0.88
00:19:09.680 like what if there was a brother the the just imagining the phantom sibling i actually all
00:19:16.140 of a sudden i'm comforted of like i just had a moment where i was like i could just pretend i
00:19:19.520 have a brother and see how that goes like like uh perform acts of having a brother alone or
00:19:26.700 yourself like oh i should call my brother yeah yeah or like i i said this once in my act but
00:19:31.700 talking about like when i had an mri to look at my my tailbone everything's fine folks although
00:19:36.860 there was a hairline fracture and i was in the mri and i was feeling anxious and claustrophobic
00:19:41.560 and i pretended i had a daughter and i was like i have to be strong i have to oh i have to after
00:19:46.420 the mri i'm gonna go pick up my daughter from school you're obsessed with picking up your
00:19:49.640 daughter i know i am as as a grounding point i'm obsessed with my daughter and like i think that
00:19:54.880 like there is a way of like inventing that then forced me to in the moment feel some kind of
00:19:59.260 inner strength or like I have a daughter like you know some presumed like level of responsibility
00:20:03.680 and so similarly maybe I can pretend I have an older brother or an older sibling and that will
00:20:10.400 give me some feeling of security in my darkest hours I don't know no no this is interesting
00:20:14.900 almost like can you create the uh like oh what would my brother say about this like could you
00:20:20.420 experiment with that could you like push the archetype outside of yourself as a psychological
00:20:24.580 perspective and go like you know create this brother in your head who may who you're like
00:20:28.960 well my brother tell me about you know blah blah blah or something i don't know it's kind of
00:20:32.560 interesting i think that's really cool i think that's very useful similarly people say you know
00:20:36.780 oh if you're going through you know trying to figure something out in your personal life what
00:20:40.380 would you tell a friend right what advice would you give a friend cognitive behavioral therapy
00:20:43.940 is would you talk the way you talk to yourself to a good friend okay like would you say to your
00:20:48.920 friend it's all like oh you lost that job your life's over right right you know or whatever or 1.00
00:20:53.220 like oh they dropped something would you yell you piece of shit okay the way you do to yourself when 0.98
00:20:57.860 you drop something or whatever right and they're like what would a good friend say it's like or 0.99
00:21:02.000 what would you say to a good friend how would you talk them out of it and the trouble is you got to
00:21:06.500 be like i'd lie to that friend right right like that can go the wrong way if you're like well i'd 1.00
00:21:11.180 tell them their life's not over but i'd know it is then you're a piece of shit but usually that's 0.99
00:21:16.440 not how we see others we're more generous but i keep getting off what you were trying to talk 1.00
00:21:21.120 about which is the spa and i'll just say like yes the spa was never a place i really love uh bodies
00:21:26.660 of water i love soaking so with you going to the korean spa kind of a glorified communal bath like
00:21:33.220 that was very wonderful for me and similarly i'm dying to take you to ideal hot springs hotel and
00:21:38.860 we'll be soaking and it's all i could think about keep the language positive and about yourself 0.98
00:21:42.900 poog fans again i feel you say you don't say you are pieces of shit for not hosting them 0.97
00:21:48.320 you say i i would love to see the poog hags go to two bunch poms you mean to go to them as in 0.95
00:21:56.080 their instagram account and comment on why didn't you give it or do you mean you'd like to see them 0.99
00:21:59.520 go and enjoy the spa just a sort of little wreck i'm just imagining that like the instagram
00:22:06.520 whoever manages that account seeing people flooding in no flooding in and gently saying
00:22:11.160 like you know i felt sad when i found out that they weren't hosted or like yeah well i had never
00:22:15.980 heard about two bunch palms and then i heard about it on food podcast right and now i'm considering
00:22:20.760 planning a trip right right right but but but yeah i think really i am into massage i used and
00:22:26.500 body work you know what i want to do and i have a couple phone numbers that i've been given and i'd
00:22:30.760 be curious to talk about it with you and our listeners some energy body work thoughts some
00:22:36.500 energy healing well yeah i mean but it was usually energy healing is technically not manipulation
00:22:41.860 like right physical manipulation of tissue right right you're having a fan i know what you're
00:22:45.780 fantasizing about i know what you want i know exactly what do you want what you want the thing
00:22:49.260 we saw on the goop show okay you want to be writhing on a table yeah you're worried no i
00:22:55.440 wasn't even going to the betty dodson episode i was going to the that healer guy no neither was i
00:22:59.500 i was talking about just the the arch back the like the arch the possession the exorcism yeah
00:23:04.700 the exorcism yeah yeah that sounds cool to me i'd be curious to see what comes out and you start
00:23:10.560 writhing against your will yes or you know or i mean obviously that's the laugh is it would be
00:23:15.680 against your will just as you hoped or whatever you know like oh good i feel my back arching like
00:23:21.480 but but yeah but yeah yeah that's that's what i want well i similarly because i right now i'm
00:23:25.640 interested in that my therapist who's been suggesting for a couple years now that i try
00:23:30.600 emdr right therapy let's review what that is somatic therapy yeah so it stands for eye movement
00:23:38.600 desensitization and reprocessing which is a psychotherapy that's um and again a classic
00:23:45.720 i refuse to be labeled an expert to even correctly describe what this is but it's i think used to be
00:23:52.520 labeled an expert as though that was what they've been doing to us against their will
00:23:55.760 but it's like typically i think people can have a lot of help with i think specific like traumatic
00:24:02.400 incidents but i think it's also about kind of just rewiring the neuropathways like response
00:24:08.200 to certain triggers and it sounds kind of psychedelic and i'm curious and yeah my she's
00:24:13.560 been she's brought up a few times and i've always been like and then but now i'm kind of like let's
00:24:17.560 go there because i've been doing yeah my therapist actually if you can believe it suggests i not come
00:24:22.680 as often. And so, um, but this, no, it actually was, she was right coming more than once a week.
00:24:28.960 No, no, I was doing once a week, but then I was kind of talking about, because I have an addiction
00:24:33.040 to thinking and over processing. And she was out of town for a couple of weeks and I was actually
00:24:37.520 doing really well. And it kind of forcing myself to kind of process myself was like profoundly
00:24:43.580 healing. And so she was like, this is great. And she was like, listen, I'm not kidding. Like,
00:24:47.260 maybe you should pull back a little bit. And I was like, God, you're good. And that's a real
00:24:50.360 therapist no right no no you know what sorry i'm so excited she's right and so i i took so now i'm
00:24:55.640 doing every other week and on this last session and i find that it's like more productive like
00:24:59.360 i have more to talk about and it feels more yeah um and she brought up she's like i think we should
00:25:04.680 do that so i think i'm gonna do it in two weeks and it's kind of psychedelic and she and she well
00:25:08.720 she said she was like yeah i think you'd be really responsive she's like i find the actors that do it
00:25:12.700 really can go there because it the therapy kind of demands that you have that you kind of give
00:25:18.540 into your imagination like it is an imaginative process and so yes i actually wonder if i'll be
00:25:23.800 able to i can cry in front of my therapist but i definitely there is a level that i do still feel
00:25:29.540 locked as we all do or maybe as i do locked in some kind of a persona in therapy so yeah i wonder
00:25:35.040 if i will be able to do the full basically this would involve me like regressing to like being
00:25:39.940 like a baby which sounds pretty great wait specifically did the therapist say yeah no
00:25:44.980 therapy is i'm not saying that emdr is that right but i want she wants you to do that i would be
00:25:49.940 going back into like childhood stuff and and she was like yeah i mean you might like a lot might
00:25:55.380 come up you might like feel fully like childhood and i'm like yeah let's do it no right because i
00:26:00.000 think it's almost like like the most like the what remains for me from when i read about that
00:26:04.900 like a million years ago and i think in noonday demon um oh yeah sure in terms of depression it
00:26:09.900 was like do you like that book yeah people love it well one of the reasons i love it is you know
00:26:14.500 it's like 500 pages or whatever like if you're depressed and you're spending some time dealing
00:26:19.520 with it like you could just go into that book and the book will hold you that's so nice it'll hold
00:26:23.580 you just in the space of like okay i'm depressed and i'm reading about someone dealing with it
00:26:27.340 like it's not i don't know but it was almost like the the vibe to me it was almost like okay we're
00:26:32.700 scrambling we're gonna like through eye movement stuff like through this physical neurological
00:26:38.380 thing we're gonna scramble your brain a little bit around these locked in totally indelible
00:26:43.260 in the campus as you say yeah you know these traumas right so it's like it's like a it can
00:26:48.220 be a trauma therapy right it can be whatever and so yeah it's very um i'm into it and like there's
00:26:53.600 a method that i've done a couple times that she's taught me of like tapping which is like you kind
00:26:57.280 of cross your arms across your chest you tap one shoulder tap the other tapping's big there's a
00:27:02.840 number of modalities and i've had like a couple i've done a couple of those maybe like in times
00:27:07.080 of stress but i am curious but as you're saying kind of rewiring neuropathways or kind of like
00:27:12.280 and this is also an ocd thing right it's like i know when i get stuck on a certain loop it's like
00:27:16.380 picture it like the pure driven snow right and there are these grooves yes and you go back and
00:27:20.860 back and forth and it's like the powder like imagine like driving the new snow so the pathways
00:27:25.340 are gone and i'll just say quickly this feeds into obviously no need for it to be plant medicine and
00:27:31.260 such and i would like to just plug that um this brand silo sent me some mushroom or you know
00:27:39.140 psilocybin gummies for micro dosing. And that's actually something that I've been curious about
00:27:44.060 because psilocybin, you know, they say it can have really positive effects specifically for OCD.
00:27:48.860 I wonder, I wonder if I could do micro dose. Like I never did, um, uh, mushrooms or anything like
00:27:55.740 my early days, because as I always heard, like the high of the mushrooms is that it like
00:27:59.860 blows out all your serotonin all at once. And like, I can't, and then I was like,
00:28:03.740 so then I'll be depleted for the rest of the month or whatever.
00:28:06.380 I think you should I think you should reach out to them and ask them. They're very knowledgeable on the chat. And I think the whole microdose thing is that it's so it's almost imperceptible. Right. So I don't think it would do that. And in fact, it's a lot of times treated for depression or things like that. And I'll just say to the listeners, kind of a cute anecdote. I took, you know, it said like, oh, take two to three for a microdose. You know, you're not going to feel it. And I was like, I'll take one just to start. And I proceeded to get fully high and called Jacqueline like screaming with joy, had like very psychedelic experiences with some texts in my house.
00:28:36.380 house was doing like yoga to like acoustic prints you were writhing a little on the phone writhing
00:28:42.520 you're in you're in um so nice i was in cat cow you're moving between cat and yeah i was doing
00:28:48.140 cat cow calling jacqueline on facetime and this is how i knew that i was that i was high was that
00:28:53.200 i went on my deck and i was like enough is enough and i swept my deck really violently but it felt
00:28:57.540 so good and then i'm like why am i afraid of my deck why am i afraid sometimes of my deck and it's
00:29:02.760 like the spiders the spiders so i took a broom i wiped away so many spider webs i took down a wasp
00:29:09.200 nest and then to be clear this wasn't like a huge football wasp nest like a small wasp nest but the
00:29:14.920 kind of thing that would ordinarily terrify me of course and i destroyed it now did you smash it or
00:29:19.800 did you simply like hit it like a baseball into like uh the yard i hit it down and then i smashed 0.54
00:29:25.180 it no so you you killed the wasps and i don't mean that i'm not accusing you of murder i mean i'm 0.85
00:29:31.100 actually worrying about your own danger you are free to accuse me of murder because i did murder
00:29:34.220 them and the wine i'm deathly afraid of wasps and bees more than spiders snakes anything like that
00:29:40.220 and they're preventing me from utilizing the space and i'm sorry but it's me or them and i took down
00:29:44.440 the wasp nest no no no that's kind of that's a perfect example of an activity that'd be way too
00:29:48.500 terrified to do not that it's necessarily smart to like to bash a wasp yeah it's quite literally
00:29:54.800 like isn't that the same thing as um waking a bear or whatever like it's literally yeah like
00:29:59.260 i think you're not supposed to try to disturb the nest you're supposed to like try to get it as far
00:30:04.000 away from you and again if this had been like an active nest there's wasps flying in and out of it
00:30:07.700 i never would have gone there right this is like this is like the size of like maybe a golf ball
00:30:11.500 okay so i was hoping you were gonna give a ball i was hoping you were gonna give a ball because
00:30:15.820 you said football earlier golf ball size wasp nest gone anyway and then we had um but it was
00:30:21.140 really nice and i am gonna do it again i think i might do it tomorrow but uh i did uh i did it is
00:30:26.940 that thing of like, oh, allowing for kind of like creative, like nonlinear thinking or kind of being
00:30:31.780 able to focus because I, of course, I'm so destroyed by ADD, being able to feel focused,
00:30:37.920 but not enforce on myself something of like, I have to work on this for an hour, you know,
00:30:42.840 like instead of being able to be like hyper focused for seven minutes, feel something and
00:30:46.360 then move on and have that be okay. No, no, no. We must abandon these exterior ideas of what
00:30:53.400 progress on anything looks like we must abandon. You help me. You are you trying to work according
00:31:00.860 to other people's rules of working is so laughable. I know. I mean, because it's like it's literally
00:31:05.520 like it's insane to do something to give yourself over to the way someone else's process looks on
00:31:12.400 the outside. Right. As though that's going to create the same interior experience that you're
00:31:17.780 having when you're working on something so like yeah yeah those like so so theta just theta just
00:31:23.540 theta theta mentioned like those books that are um like the habits of like famous writers there's
00:31:28.660 books like you know and and i've read those books because of course right i'm always looking
00:31:33.760 i'm always looking looking looking and um and so i've read a couple of those i was gonna say to you
00:31:38.380 you might actually find them quite freeing because what it does is it reveals uh you know it's like
00:31:44.440 okay this super famous prolific writer uh they get up at 6 a.m they drink they drink a fifth
00:31:50.320 of scotch or whatever and i have no clue if a fifth is even a large amount it just sounds like
00:31:54.300 a thing people say yeah i couldn't tell you like a fifth scotch and then like and then i nap for
00:31:59.620 two hours and that's when i have my best dreams okay like you know like and they're like and
00:32:04.160 they're like a huge lunch followed by another nap and then a walk okay and whatever and then
00:32:08.680 they write for five minutes and then you know but then at 2 a.m like it's just like totally they
00:32:13.500 have a confidence that their way of getting it done it does not matter what it looks like it
00:32:17.040 doesn't matter if you were to for you know it's like they can only describe that like 100 years
00:32:22.340 later maybe they would probably say i do see that as like the sometimes i try to animate the
00:32:27.500 archetype of what i see as this male genius thing which is exactly that which is i do
00:32:32.040 i just go i make a film yeah like like i don't i don't pitch film to you i am art
00:32:39.720 i am an artist i i find the actors i i go it's in me i you see i am um genius i am genius like 0.97
00:32:47.820 that kind of shit yeah do you ever write a little drunk what's that do you ever write drunk well 0.91
00:32:53.140 i'm looking to do more of it because no i think maybe i should have a drink i because i really 0.99
00:32:59.080 like i'm very i have this is huge i a long time ago i a long time ago like in some terror of like
00:33:05.220 slipping into alcoholism or something i was like i will never drink alone i will never drink alone
00:33:07.940 and I literally this year had like my first glass of wine alone like because I so funny but also I
00:33:12.360 didn't feel like I was gripped by some like I just genuinely I'm you know tragically a social
00:33:16.920 drinker so it's just really the only way I do it but I was thinking like oh yeah there is that one
00:33:22.200 night I went out and I you know had some wine with some friends and then came home and was like 0.87
00:33:26.540 writing by the way I think it was probably pure shit but like I was like oh there is something 0.95
00:33:31.360 real there yeah I don't know but that's kind of what I'm like oh like the microdosing mushrooms 0.96
00:33:35.700 like maybe that will kind of push me into some kind of new but then i remember reading like oh
00:33:39.740 i think it was fitzgerald you know wake wakes up at dawn you know writes for four hours has a big
00:33:45.160 lunch and then he's free for the day you know and it's all about just like walking among the 0.99
00:33:49.100 dandelions and like yeah fucking your wife or whatever like like that's no well well these 0.99
00:33:55.780 male archetypes are huge for me and i don't even like of course they are it's all we have i mean 0.99
00:34:00.240 not to be but it's like no right but it's all we have and so it's like if i don't use those
00:34:04.280 then unfortunately I will not I will miss that particular flex of personality like I have to
00:34:10.480 actually like lean in and go like lean in not lean in you know what I mean like uh like I like
00:34:18.760 I'll go like what would an arrogant like male and I actually have to go like to different time
00:34:23.840 periods almost like yeah it's it's that thing it's like okay no what if I were a 70s like new
00:34:28.860 wave French you know whatever that genius thing that really helps me sometimes totally no I don't
00:34:33.340 have to pitch like you know like 10 pages on why this like belongs in the marketplace right like
00:34:39.020 why not just be that we have to go to break again but i'm soaring and i want to talk more about
00:34:42.780 actually why actually booze can serve uh your writing practice i'm really excited okay great
00:34:47.840 okay and we're back and we're back so i'm very i'm very excited i'm very excited because i well
00:34:59.760 couple things. This may have come up on Poop before. I think it has. I don't know if it
00:35:03.100 made it to the final edit. The thing about specifically about how I bought like at Target
00:35:08.260 years ago during my convalescence at my parents' house trying to heal every part of myself before
00:35:12.620 reentering society. And I was never afraid to use Target as part of my seeking. And you did it too.
00:35:19.500 They were right there with you. Okay. And healing in the aisles of Target, one product at a time.
00:35:25.120 and that included part of me this is so artist way artist date you know like giving the inner
00:35:30.840 child that which it maybe like didn't let itself have earlier so you go into the toy section okay
00:35:35.840 oh sure you walk get in the sandbox with your kids yeah yeah i know but what i like about it
00:35:43.300 is that it's not with your kids it's like yeah that's the audacity it's like you don't have the
00:35:47.720 excuse of your kids so like yeah so anyway whatever but there's something to be found in
00:35:51.700 every aisle of target and uh and so i got this little game this little electronic game i feel
00:35:57.600 like maybe this came up this already whatever i'll say it and then we'll move forward but just
00:36:00.880 yeah this little electronic memory game that was very simple had one game in it plastic thing with
00:36:06.620 like you know whatever it one memory game where you have to remember a number two numbers ago
00:36:11.080 basically over and over again okay in a series of numbers okay and i bought it because i was
00:36:16.620 I had done these like tests on lumosity.com. It was very like my brain has problems. I'm going
00:36:22.280 to work with what I have. I'm going to fix up, optimize. I'm going to fix everything up. And it
00:36:25.840 was like attention and memory are the two areas where, you know, the learning difference between
00:36:29.760 that and my other cognitive skills. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm going to bring it up to speed and then
00:36:34.000 I'm going to be unstoppable. So I got this little stupid memory game and I play it and I play it 0.98
00:36:37.780 every night in bed before I falling asleep. And my score, let's just say is like 70% or something, 0.98
00:36:42.840 right one night I have like two cocktails at a local restaurant with my parents okay I go home 1.00
00:36:49.620 I get in bed I start to play the game I'm through the roof oh my god yes this is a goddamn brain 0.99
00:36:56.880 training game this is this is the absolute most numeric you know like linear like fucking SATs 0.99
00:37:04.780 like everything we associate with being alert awake and whatever yes and the fact being that 0.57
00:37:10.220 in my brain and this is that thing the thing that we said in the past on poog is that add i remember
00:37:15.040 hearing this from someone who was like a tutor that add students like they do their homework
00:37:19.080 better when they're tired because because it slows their brain's not so active you know it's
00:37:24.580 brought down to a manageable and useful level like too much activity you can't get a worksheet done
00:37:28.840 so that's like a pretty stunning kind of thing and it like would piss me off the idea that like
00:37:33.260 oh you know so so i wouldn't drink while working you know because society has one 0.99
00:37:39.620 expectation of what that means fuck you like totally i am running my own fucking thing over 0.99
00:37:44.240 here and so it just it's like i have to seriously consider whether there are some benefits to two 0.99
00:37:49.900 cocktails and that's how i do my taxes i mean like that's even the joke oh my god by the way
00:37:54.980 that's genius like that's the it was numbers i mean it was numbers it was memory it was attention
00:37:59.140 like cocktails and taxes that helps i'm not even saying i have to do my creative work that way my
00:38:02.840 creative work might be better when it is under the problem of the quote problem of the add which is
00:38:08.400 an expansive kind of the gift piece of the add might be fully alert on coffee soaring letting
00:38:14.340 the gift slash like disorder of add serve us and maybe taxes is where i need the booze like you
00:38:21.060 know and it's just like fuck everything else there's there's there's i mean i i don't know 0.80
00:38:24.560 is this nietzsche like there's no way there's only my way but it's like yeah like what do you need 0.94
00:38:30.820 to do to get done the thing that you desire to do well listen i'll just say it's this is one of my
00:38:35.860 life mottos which is um years ago i was in uh one of the only acting classes i've ever taken
00:38:40.680 and i don't know what happened but i was wearing this certain pair of boots something about the
00:38:44.880 acting teacher asked me my boots or something and i said like i don't know the boots help and
00:38:48.620 she said if the boots help wear them and if the boots help wear them is a huge anchor for me
00:38:54.940 because it's like that's it that's all it ever is and that's also me yes when i saw aaron brokovich
00:38:59.980 and it changed my life and i started animated like the hot like woman lawyer archetype i was
00:39:04.360 like wearing heels doing my homework because it really helped you know so it's like oh my god
00:39:09.080 yeah similar it's like it's like if the boots help wear them one of my college essays that had
00:39:14.080 a very specific question so it couldn't be my my like generic college essay right you know it was
00:39:19.800 um whatever it was but but i ended up writing about how like wearing this like purple mascara
00:39:24.180 like helped me do my homework yeah okay and like and then it was a ritual act and and whatever and
00:39:29.440 not like I'd put on the mascara, but, but if the boots, uh, work, wear them, right. The boots help
00:39:34.340 the boots help wear them is, I'm sorry, we've landed on another POOG thesis. It is an absolute
00:39:39.920 thesis of the show. Yes. Okay. Because it's like people confuse the method for the goal and the
00:39:47.140 opposite, right. Where it's like, okay, if you want to write a book and then you, you go, how do
00:39:52.860 people write books and you do that. I mean, it's also like, you know, this thing, seek not to
00:39:56.600 follow in the footsteps of your masters seek what they sought right right and then and then that's
00:40:02.040 going to be whatever footsteps you take it's like the same thing it's it's like don't model your 0.95
00:40:07.200 writing after like someone else's what their practice looks like from the exterior fuck that
00:40:11.460 it's also this thing of like okay i'm having two things that i want to say but i just have this
00:40:16.280 image of myself kind of as like a joke what if i woke up at 5 a.m tomorrow and just saw what that
00:40:21.360 felt like yes it's like wake up at 5 a.m make coffee and be like i'm gonna write now do you
00:40:25.200 know what i mean like why not i do know like like you know it'll hurt by the way we all know i won't
00:40:29.640 do it but like maybe i will but like but just something about that because i was thinking about
00:40:34.120 who we think we are how we think who we think we are what maybe who we actually are like the
00:40:39.040 things that actually might serve us that we've never done because they seem so far outside of
00:40:41.980 our personality it's like the provisional personality is james hollis or was it young
00:40:46.180 says but it's like the provisional personality what that prevents versus like one soul right
00:40:51.260 and like what is the soul actually what's the actual teleology of the soul and so sometimes
00:40:55.100 this this like this regressive or this personality or this persona that we have is something else
00:41:01.520 no no this is huge okay it really is because well i i would argue maybe i am the monk waking up at
00:41:09.000 4 a.m well also i mean and this is a way that i trick myself into sort of experimenting with
00:41:13.560 things is like the extreme is more exciting to me than as we know balance or anything like that
00:41:17.960 So I'm more excited by like, I'm more likely to commit to meditating four hours a day than
00:41:23.720 I am to commit to meditating 15.
00:41:25.720 And that's how you and I are very similar.
00:41:27.560 Four hours a day. 1.00
00:41:28.200 I'm like, oh, shit. 1.00
00:41:30.120 I did that. 1.00
00:41:31.200 Are you fucking kidding? 0.99
00:41:32.260 Right. 0.99
00:41:32.480 And I'm like, I'm like ready.
00:41:34.020 Like, I'm like, that's so much like so actually this is and I've been it's like this thing
00:41:37.340 I keep remembering while I'm snoozing watching television at night. 0.99
00:41:40.020 Oh, fuck. 1.00
00:41:40.640 Right. 1.00
00:41:40.800 I forgot I was going to start meditating four hours a day.
00:41:43.280 I have to say, and this sounds like a weird plug because they are a POOG sponsor, but
00:41:46.980 I downloaded the calm app right and by the way I'm sorry but this is like real calm.com slash
00:41:52.140 poop you get 40% up I'm just saying that okay I downloaded the app and then yesterday did a
00:41:56.760 guided meditation so I have this kind of like grotesque like guided meditations are for you 0.98
00:42:01.680 know that's bullshit it's trash you know and then but yesterday I did a guided 10 minutes really 0.93
00:42:06.260 helped today I did 10 minute was just ocean soundscape yeah and I feel like that's also 0.98
00:42:10.760 an ADD thing like it really helped me focus or just like it helped me to have that soundscape
00:42:15.120 in the background well that's okay two things one guided meditation is a different thing from
00:42:20.900 the meditation practices we talk about absolutely right it's literally taking your brain on a
00:42:26.020 pathway yeah versus you sitting with you know silence or a single mantra which i want to get
00:42:31.280 i want to get to their different things both fantastic yeah second the soundscape thing is a
00:42:36.040 huge cornerstone of my ad experience which is oh my god this is why i can work and focus better in
00:42:42.720 a loud room okay in a coffee shop okay okay and they laughed at me because because i just the way
00:42:49.160 i said coffee shop the obvious humiliation of writing in a coffee shop you know is is just
00:42:54.580 you know an indignity i just picturing you writing as like a taffy wheel is like two inches from your
00:42:59.040 face spinning taffy and children are like running up to the taffy wheel and glee and you're finally
00:43:03.680 able to focus no i remember one time a motorcycle drove into a internet cafe and i didn't notice
00:43:09.960 okay i did a motorcycle came in live like like loud and that's the classic hyper focus ignoring
00:43:16.460 it yeah it all disappears and it's it's it's the ocean soundscape though i couldn't believe it i
00:43:21.080 really it was again it was a 10 minute meditation but i mean god help me i felt refreshed after
00:43:26.360 okay and you know what i and i'm so embarrassed that i had some feeling of like oh well i learned
00:43:31.680 tm and i have a mantra and right here i am i'm just another silicon valley upstart piece of
00:43:36.680 shit here with my guide right who cares you know it's like it's better yeah i don't know i don't 0.95
00:43:42.360 know you don't you do know and they have sleep stories on there is that where you got your merlin 0.99
00:43:46.240 sleep story no um as usual i sourced 10 years ahead of everyone else from hideous corners you
00:43:51.840 are always ahead and but and a lot of people reached out a lot of people reached out asking
00:43:55.580 for literally a lot of people reached out asking for the merlin people text me directly people
00:44:00.180 saying they they were searching for it couldn't find it i will say it once and i will say it now
00:44:04.600 brad austin he has a cd of like i mean it's on apple music he's a cd of like 40 guided meditations 0.92
00:44:11.100 meaning merlin oh is one of them and and that is a world i just gotta go it's a goddamn i gotta go
00:44:16.260 in i mean i really it's it's nice when you feel it i'm like oh yeah i'm going deep into my dream
00:44:20.500 diary is popping off the dreams are crazy i think i have to enter in i'm truly researching dream
00:44:25.700 schools and like getting like a dream teacher or something because i feel like i gotta go into the
00:44:30.200 dreams i've really i've spent my whole life running from them we said we were going to we
00:44:33.600 didn't by the way I had one of the most archetypal dreams last night like most like I don't mean I
00:44:37.800 have the meaning I just mean like because I remember feeling jealous okay when I read a lot
00:44:42.640 of these Jungian books I've been reading okay because I've been reading a lot of the Marion
00:44:45.680 Woodman okay but they do a lot of like Carol okay they're like it's always Carol is always the name
00:44:51.540 they use Carol and I think it's because maybe Carol's fallen out of fashion like as a name
00:44:56.120 Carol came to me when she was 42 she was recently yeah yeah Carol I think it's because they like
00:45:01.380 don't know anyone named carol and they don't have any patients named carol right so carol is like
00:45:05.800 but like it's always fucking carol and there's something like carol's a 42 year old woman with 0.62
00:45:09.840 data and it's like these women like they have this sound to them but anyway so reading that 0.96
00:45:13.880 then like all the people who have the jungian therapist then start having the jungian dreams 1.00
00:45:18.060 like like i'm like are these bitches lying i'm like i'm like they're coming in with these like 1.00
00:45:22.000 dreams that are like funny and then the goddess descended before me like and she held in one hand 1.00
00:45:26.280 yeah yeah a berry and you know a bloated berry and whatever okay and then like there's a cave
00:45:34.100 and there's a whatever but like last night i had a really upsetting one about like there were like
00:45:38.320 three tampons inside of me that i found like stuck like in different angles okay and i was like one 0.89
00:45:43.400 like i like it was horrible and then there was like a literal severed penis amazing and i was 0.88
00:45:48.220 so proud i was so proud and it was about like uh returning it like i had it and i went to this vet 0.98
00:45:54.600 and said like i have this man's penis so you need to like sew back on and i was trying to tell people 0.94
00:45:59.500 like i was trying to tell people like maybe don't tell people about it because he might not want 0.96
00:46:05.320 people to know that is i explained this to chris this morning recounting the dream right at where
00:46:10.180 to wake up i'm going i'm going to chris i was like i was like i just felt like you know even 0.60
00:46:14.400 though he had his penis back and it was like sewed back on he might not he just might not 0.99
00:46:18.660 like the idea of people knowing that like that there was a time where his penis came clean off 0.99
00:46:23.040 the language came clean off but it was like it was just i was proud of myself i was like they're 0.97
00:46:29.140 giving it to me finally i asked for this i want hardcore so i've also been having a lot of like
00:46:34.180 genital dreams and i'll just say that i had this really profound this like very imagistic dream 0.98
00:46:38.160 the other night i was like this person was laying down on a bed in front of me and they had a penis 0.99
00:46:42.560 and they had a vagina and then they had another fucking talking about yeah okay and i was like i 1.00
00:46:48.000 want the vagina okay and then i start like forgive my french pook listeners i start going down on 1.00
00:46:54.040 this vagina and a penis starts to emerge out of the vagina and i was like that is like a profound 1.00
00:47:01.340 image right like we're used to seeing penises go into vagina this was a penis coming out of 1.00
00:47:06.580 vagina so what is that okay no wait hold on let me take a second with this this is a thrill 1.00
00:47:10.620 see what you know what i think this is okay what this feels like to me and then the penis came 1.00
00:47:14.880 everywhere i should say but keep going it did everywhere like like like ropes and the person 0.96
00:47:20.020 was kind of exclaiming like ropes of semen and they were kind of like oh i know this happens a 1.00
00:47:24.660 lot or something oh the the vagina holder well this person had like three different genitals 1.00
00:47:30.340 they had the different things and when you said yeah that's me i said vagina holder again being 0.98
00:47:35.300 included so i was about to go the woman the woman yeah okay the keeper of the of these these three 0.99
00:47:42.620 genitals no but what's so exciting is you said i want the vagina yeah and by one i thought you 1.00
00:47:46.640 were getting to choose one for yourself no no no it was like oh am i gonna like suck this dick am 1.00
00:47:51.180 i gonna like suck that dick that dick or yeah or do you want to like yeah or don't want to go down 1.00
00:47:56.840 this vagina and you chose the vagina and then the penis emerged which is to me very like exciting 1.00
00:48:01.720 okay because i mean there's what you know you could read it something like there's something 0.99
00:48:05.320 there that's exciting right because it's the when you go into the one thing the other thing emerges
00:48:09.600 right it almost is a reveal of the falseness of choice or something in a positive way 1.00
00:48:15.080 you think by choosing the vagina and whatever the fuck that means that i won't get the penis that 1.00
00:48:19.720 you won't get the other and then you do and to me that's like one of those like union tricks where 0.99
00:48:23.540 it's like okay if the birds are i remember this one time i did this because like i read this it
00:48:28.540 was like these these birds with these like sharp beaks flying at me and it was like if i dive into
00:48:34.520 the and i was afraid to dive into the water so i'm like oh i gotta dive into the water i dive
00:48:37.680 into the water and they turned into like beautiful creatures it's that like hug the
00:48:41.540 hug the devil like in six feet under when david is terrified by that monster goes to hug the monster
00:48:47.520 he's wearing a hooded sweatshirt pops the hood down it's himself he's hugging and he's hugging
00:48:52.220 himself right so that's like a beautiful well that is no no that is the most absolute who are
00:48:57.000 you running it all comes back to six feet under for me always well i'm not even sure have we
00:49:02.060 spoken of it i feel like we must have maybe not must have spoken of how significant i mean it's
00:49:07.920 shocking to me that when because six feet under and those characters feel more real to me than
00:49:11.360 my own family so it's like me as well i actually stand by the principle that they they are real
00:49:16.100 they are they are okay it's so richly envisioned that how is that how is their family any less of
00:49:20.760 a family than mine when theirs is arguably more richly envisioned brenda chenoweth the first woman
00:49:27.640 to ever be depicted on screen oh the first woman to be ever depicted on screen like literally the
00:49:33.120 first like i would argue like like like the first time like a woman like like an actual people talk
00:49:38.160 about like complex female characters right it's like name one name one before brenda i mean i 0.99
00:49:44.280 obviously speak in this hyperbole constantly of course because i'm just saying that brenda 0.60
00:49:49.000 chenowith was for me rocked my goddamn world when i was in high school watching six feet under 0.95
00:49:53.720 and my best friend Sammy would sleep over every 0.98
00:49:55.920 Sunday night to watch it. I remember
00:49:57.780 hearing negative reactions to that character specifically.
00:50:00.020 Oh, of course. Like people like, I don't like
00:50:01.940 Brenda. Of course. And it was like, I see 0.99
00:50:03.980 you. I see. I see what this is.
00:50:06.140 Oh, you don't like that she, I mean
00:50:08.100 has uncontainable
00:50:09.700 uncontainable desire.
00:50:11.900 Yeah. It's upsetting to people. And also I think like
00:50:14.000 there is something that that
00:50:15.980 in combination with almost like her shrewd
00:50:18.060 intellect. Yeah. Also
00:50:19.840 upsets people like that. She could be so like 1.00
00:50:21.780 sort of just sort of flat about like i would really encourage people out there to either
00:50:25.640 re-watch or if you somehow haven't watched six feet under to watch it i did my fourth watch last
00:50:30.700 year and it was deeply profound and i would say if anyone's going through any kind of grief
00:50:35.060 it truly is so helpful well you know what it is it's like god it's um it's truly a way to access
00:50:42.360 the mystery of existence through something richly envisioned on our plane right it's like
00:50:49.380 when and when do you get that i mean it's just never it's like a journey it's like yeah it's
00:50:54.180 like you get to experience something profound by being taken on a very very very specific
00:50:58.120 and richly envisioned journey with characters that are so like how is it different than a
00:51:03.440 religion that animates like different archetypes and presents them all and you work oh my god
00:51:08.080 genius totally it's like god i'm gonna revisit i'm so excited so excited i'll just say nate i
00:51:13.640 just want to say every time you watch it at least i focus on different character this last rewatch
00:51:17.480 i was really focused on nate peter kraus is one of the finest actors who've ever lived and that
00:51:22.040 depiction of nate of like kind of like the everyman like it is astonishing also he's the best
00:51:26.640 yell actor i've ever seen yelling acting oh he's a yell he's a yell he's a yell actor i've i've
00:51:32.620 never seen better yelling work um and i'll just say this because i had i had a dear friend who
00:51:37.600 i trust deeply their sensibility they had trouble with the pilot it felt dated to them they pushed
00:51:42.100 through and then it became the most important thing to them in their life if you feel if the
00:51:46.420 pilot feels dated to you if you're if you're struggling with that push through because oh
00:51:51.000 what awaits you is unimaginable well it's so i mean the other thing that's so devastating okay
00:51:55.500 about the because i know what they mean about the pilot being dated but it's that thing where it's
00:52:00.180 like oh that's like hacky or like they you know it's like they're seeing it as like a television
00:52:04.040 cliche and it's like but it didn't happen before they did it yeah right right that's why it's
00:52:09.320 familiar to you because it's the best and they did it first and everyone took it you know what
00:52:12.980 i mean like so it's just it's just like you have to push through that um roof like you just you
00:52:18.720 have to go on the journey those characters enrich all of our lives damn it's not it's it's been
00:52:24.040 novelistic it's it's heaven okay um well i mean we're at the end of the episode and i gotta say
00:52:31.020 i feel alive i feel really alive and you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna read for like four hours
00:52:36.200 i am going to i the books are piling up and and right now the books are piling up in the i have
00:52:41.600 I have to finish a book today because I'm getting...
00:52:43.820 I need you to understand this.
00:52:45.460 This is the state of my books right now, okay?
00:52:47.340 They're all like 10 pages in
00:52:49.420 and they're laying on top of each other.
00:52:51.200 That's it.
00:52:51.720 They're open, 10 pages lying on top of each other
00:52:53.920 versus on a shelf.
00:52:55.100 I almost started a new Hollis
00:52:56.640 and I have to finish my old Hollis.
00:52:58.160 We have to go.
00:52:58.780 Okay, I love you.
00:52:59.260 I'll talk to you soon.
00:52:59.720 I love you.
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