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00:02:50.740 loosely speaking face the home insouciant beast hazel

00:02:56.040 well i just woke up and um you know you know it's really you know how low low i've been

00:03:11.540 you're ready for this i turned to one of our sponsors i was like i was there i was like wait

00:03:16.360 what was that thing better help oh my god okay okay and um and for an online therapist yeah yeah

00:03:28.820 and uh I was like and then and then so I've been low and and um and you know the black dogs got me 0.65

00:03:37.260 as they say as Churchill said I don't know that term yeah it's great he'd be like they'd be like 0.98

00:03:44.080 they'd be like the black dogs got him again okay but it was black dogs of depression or single 0.99

00:03:49.460 singular which is even like more brutal like just this like oh it's got him the black dogs got him 0.98

00:03:54.520 and i don't know i mean if it preceded churchill it's just famously i made a black dog when i did

00:03:59.600 my depression carnival when my book came out i like made a paper mache black shiny dog and i

00:04:03.560 put him on a pedestal with a with a spotlight on him i'll post it on book anyway so it's like some

00:04:08.820 my finest work so I should really do another depression carnival so you know I am pretty

00:04:16.460 good these days yeah hugely like and I say that without fearing that I'm tempting the gods to

00:04:23.300 strike me down of course you know what I mean like like Jesus it's been years and I've been

00:04:28.160 um you know well it's it's always hard to say okay uh have I you know have I just no no I've

00:04:37.280 been good i was gonna say have i just changed my standards about myself so wildly that now i no

00:04:42.240 longer see myself as dysfunctional when whatever and it's like no because that's not it i'm not

00:04:46.520 talking about like how good i'm doing at being a person i'm actually talking about like you know

00:04:50.640 suffering moment to moment yeah yeah right and anytime any element so what i would say is like

00:04:57.040 because for a really long time i've been overall good it's very clear and punctuated when i um when

00:05:06.900 anything is off you know which is like to me the greatest comfort of all is maybe not of all but is

00:05:14.100 being able to see it exactly for what it is right yes I mean that's like such a huge part of it

00:05:20.000 I mean it's always like you know another like example would be like you know just the sort

00:05:25.220 of feeling of like oh like everyone in my life is is whatever just like looking around projecting

00:05:31.680 onto everything I'm not projecting but just seeing everything is like horrifying and then

00:05:35.880 like you get your period and you're like oh right of course it's such a relief the call was coming

00:05:41.360 from inside the house yeah right yeah so anyway whatever it's just interesting and it's just

00:05:50.560 interesting and there's like all sorts of factors and whatever and there's always a terror like what

00:05:54.680 if today is the jig the jig is finally up like the meds have fallen through uh the formula has

00:06:00.700 change, whatever it is. You're immune now. Yeah, I'm immune. It's finally. And then, you know,

00:06:06.320 and then the other piece being like, oh, I'm drowning in tools, obviously. Right. You know,

00:06:11.420 who are we? We drown in tools. Right. Yeah. We have every modality surrounding us. And

00:06:16.920 the last, I don't know, a couple weeks, months, like there've been some things and there's been

00:06:24.180 stresses and all this kind of stuff and whatever. And that's and, you know, whether it's triggered

00:06:27.980 by that or whatever it's just i note there's a difference okay yeah and i'm experiencing some

00:06:32.120 of the old things like it's like for example yesterday when i did turn to better help okay

00:06:36.260 going like because like just the idea of searching for a therapist in any like real way just

00:06:42.060 i i like the low committal thing of like texting someone and being like is this doing anything you 0.89

00:06:48.080 know like let's see jesus imagine this becomes there's a fucking episode for better help all 0.95

00:06:53.260 Right. What a nightmare. Like the most perfectly integrated, authentic ad. 1.00

00:06:58.140 I know. No, this is like, yeah, this is worth 2.2 million.

00:07:01.920 Right. But luckily for us, yeah. Luckily for us, I didn't actually get to the point of using the

00:07:08.740 app. So, you know, the ad can't, can't sustain. So it's unusable. So it's unusable. So, so, so,

00:07:15.860 so sorry, I just did 10 so's to not let you interrupt. It's so rude.

00:07:19.740 um but it's only train of thought ADD must not stop or the shark shall die you know what I mean

00:07:26.680 yes look I'm turning around looking because that's where it happened and I'm trying to like

00:07:31.260 remember where what happened the anecdote around better help that's where I was sitting when I

00:07:35.860 tried to sign up that literally that's why I'm looking so it's like okay so there's a questionnaire

00:07:39.820 I do it and I'm just like you know there's the humiliation of the feeling that with these

00:07:46.140 questionnaires they think you're new to the game right you know it's literally like would you say 0.97

00:07:53.060 that for the last two weeks or more you know like that kind of shit you know like have you noticed 0.98

00:08:01.140 that these mental health questionnaires are very like I always imagine them they think they're 0.99

00:08:07.520 talking to like this foot like this football coach or like this like uptight mother from like

00:08:15.220 i don't know what like they're picturing these like these people who would be like unwilling to

00:08:19.800 like turn to therapy or believe mental health is real and they're trying to like trick them into

00:08:23.240 believing anyway and i'm like guys like i just want to be like i don't know like cut through

00:08:28.660 the questionnaire well you're literally like i wrote the book on depression and then you're going

00:08:32.000 to like an app that's like oversimplifying to the point of just you know madness and yet and yet

00:08:40.980 there I am and and not even like and yet it holds what are the questions like in the last two weeks

00:08:46.780 have you been experiencing hopelessness yes one never two rarely three several days well actually

00:08:52.860 this was tough for me so it's like it was like no or not really or whatever and then it was like

00:08:56.140 several days and then it was like about half the time and then it was this was their spectrum and

00:09:00.500 then it was like most of the time and then always and here's a question about numbers to me several

00:09:08.000 will always mean between five and ten and technically it'll almost mean seven

00:09:13.160 and it is not what it means to most so they put it yeah they put it they put it like less than

00:09:19.200 half yeah yeah they put it less than half and to me several to me three is a few a couple is two

00:09:25.800 several were headed towards 10 so anyway i really had to wrestle with using the word several to

00:09:31.120 mean less than half anyway um so you the entire questionnaire right okay and i'm like i'm like

00:09:38.720 let's just let's just let's just party on through you know what i mean it's a boom boom boom i'm not

00:09:42.800 gonna worry about the questionnaire get me through okay and then i get to the thank you for you know

00:09:48.200 doing your questionnaire now put in like now we're gonna match you with a therapist put in your name

00:09:54.220 and i i got stuck on name i'm not joking yeah i understood you didn't want to use your real name

00:10:01.280 i don't even think they were asking for a full name like i i was stuck on

00:10:05.020 like jacqueline now i had clicked betterhelp.com slash poog okay so you're like i might look at

00:10:13.300 the 10 and so then it was like it was like poog with jacqueline novek and kim verlant and then

00:10:17.060 it's like and then like under it like their first subscriber jacqueline do you know what i mean

00:10:22.300 like their first subscriber and they're in their excel sheet that says like who got who who went

00:10:28.100 into the system yeah it's yeah but it I was also like who cares I was also like then I started

00:10:33.780 imagine data leaks and then I was like well what's gonna be in my therapy my depression therapy that's 0.89

00:10:38.700 really so bad anyway I don't know but it wasn't even that then I was like fuck it it's fine

00:10:43.240 yeah and then I just it was like an identity crisis okay yeah and I started going I think

00:10:48.700 i just need to get into this i just need an alias yeah totally i was trying to choose an alias

00:10:54.120 and i was like this is gonna limit me i was like i was like oh once there was like my friend wrote

00:11:00.480 a story and there was a character in it that was like me-ish and um when we were kids and like she

00:11:05.200 named the character hazel okay and so i was like about to put in hazel hazel noback

00:11:10.540 oh you know i should have put in r fredman oh yeah so

00:11:18.520 that's a deep yeah yeah so i'm going hazel and i'm like as this person starts calling me hazel

00:11:29.760 i think that's gonna be deeply dissociative yeah yeah of course so i'm like coming back around to

00:11:35.760 like okay i'm like no it's jacqueline and then i was like or to try to get at some of my deeper

00:11:40.360 structures like saying jackie because that's how i grew up as a little kid and maybe that'll like

00:11:46.300 like unearth some shit right how's little jackie today and you know that i've like never called

00:11:53.160 you jackie and people reference call you jackie at like sends a chill as it should look at them 0.99

00:11:59.600 with a cold eye i mean whenever someone's like how's jackie i'm like get the fuck out of my house

00:12:05.580 yeah it's like i become like well it's very weird i mean and like and you hear it from people who

00:12:13.360 who know me like who do not like know me since i was like way but for people from way back when

00:12:17.840 because there was a brief moment when i started comedy like in college where i had like jackie

00:12:21.980 novak.net or whatever yeah oh yeah and uh yeah so like that's the only thing that isn't clean in my 0.92

00:12:30.260 story of my name and I still get these motherfuckers from back then be like you really think you're 0.96

00:12:36.180 something to change change your name on me like that oh it was like burning hell yeah yeah but 0.98

00:12:42.560 wait so get you have to lead me I'm diminished remember I forgot where I was okay oh so I stuck

00:12:48.660 on the name when I'm going Jackie then I start to think I was like maybe there's some nickname

00:12:53.120 that's relevant to me and then I was thinking about how like but I was sitting at the desk

00:12:57.340 and i was like oh no and i was like oh god and then and then i started to remember like oh right

00:13:02.260 this and like this thing where it's like it's impossible to explain i mean i like did a little

00:13:08.560 collapse like in front of chris not a full one just like on my side on the couch you know what

00:13:12.880 i mean yeah yeah nothing whatever and and then it's sort of this like whatever i don't know i

00:13:19.320 lost the thread i don't know what i'm trying to say other than right now i would say i'm sort of

00:13:24.760 fighting the good fight okay i'm not down but i am like so i started you know i hadn't i mean

00:13:33.080 it could be as simple as this i hadn't done tracy in like two months right right no exercise yeah

00:13:38.240 let's take a minute folks i was surviving on a common thing called exercise meanwhile i'm making

00:13:44.740 it about action and and you know all this intensity right the exercise went your body

00:13:50.360 jet lag not a joke people are launched serious depressive episodes around that if they're prone

00:13:58.440 believe it how much are you sleeping tons you know i mean like over sleeping or just like plenty oh 0.95

00:14:06.260 no no i'm controlling that i i'm controlling that because if i take a goddamn nap when i'm in this 0.90

00:14:12.980 state during the day yeah you're gone i'll be on my knees okay uh crying to the gods i mean it's 0.89

00:14:19.480 it's, I have to, I have to get as much sun from the earliest to the end. Actually, it reminds me,

00:14:26.560 maybe I'll do my sun lamp. There you go. It's sitting on my shelf, ready to go, ready to rock.

00:14:32.660 You know, there are these periods where it becomes a dinosaur, a hideous medical dinosaur sitting

00:14:36.980 there. And I, you know, I, I don't notice it and whatever. And I go, I go. And then there's

00:14:41.180 these times where it's like time to go back to the lamp, I guess. I don't know. I don't know.

00:14:45.880 it doesn't it doesn't really matter I guess I guess I'm only just I'm only discussing this

00:14:49.880 because I think it might be interesting or useful to uh listeners literally yeah like this is a

00:14:55.860 humorless no you're in it right now absolutely but I'm like half in it that's what's like

00:15:02.740 weird it's like because you're functioning I mean it's not like you're yeah you know you're

00:15:07.260 absolutely you've been in you've been there enough and you've been lower so that you understand this

00:15:13.120 isn't like critical yeah you know like what you said at the beginning was like that you're fine

00:15:19.100 because you are you're not in some you know but you also know enough about your state to know that

00:15:26.900 to be able to be like this isn't great yeah and to at least try to like do the things I know

00:15:35.220 you know so I dragged my ass to the gym and did because doing Tracy in front of my phone with no

00:15:42.640 mirror you know using my phone as the mirror it just these are the kinds of tolerances that I 0.98

00:15:47.220 can't take at the moment so it's like I can't do it without a mirror I'm good I'm searching for

00:15:51.500 mirrors and then I head off I did it a couple days and then the back spasm happened okay so I

00:15:57.440 lost two days yeah and then what else am I doing that's good well started the lemon drink it was

00:16:04.580 delicious well I did the lemon drink and I love it and I want it right now god I know I'm

00:16:12.240 tangy like the tangy tastes yesterday morning and then by like six o'clock that night I was like

00:16:18.800 craving it I felt something but that's just like anything new anything new like that yeah

00:16:25.460 yeah you felt something like immediately I felt something and I don't know if it was just I don't

00:16:30.720 think it was just the thrill of the new the tang in the mouth yeah I felt something I mean maybe

00:16:36.580 it was just the tartness just woke everything up it's refreshing it's really is like I mean

00:16:41.660 to describe blueberries i forget oh yeah i guess you had to repeat this is a this is a tonic from

00:16:49.080 the gods that we on last week's episode jacqueline introduced which is an entire lemon seeds all of

00:16:54.860 it cut it in half throw it in by the way i cheated i took out some of the seeds i was like let's not

00:17:00.500 go crazy here i was like i need to start a little bit so i took out some of the huge seeds some

00:17:04.960 seeds were in there but like some huge throbbing seeds i took out yeah lemon throbbing tumescent

00:17:10.500 seeds. A cup of frozen blueberries and eight ounces of water. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't a thrill

00:17:16.780 to trust the proportion and have it actually work. I couldn't believe eight ounces. I could

00:17:24.600 not believe. Now I have, wait, what do I have down there? It's not a Ninja. No, it is a Ninja.

00:17:31.300 Okay. I went down terrified that my blender wasn't going to cut it. Okay. I dropped in the

00:17:37.300 lemon I quartered it out of terror okay and I dropped it in it's a ninja it's not the like

00:17:43.500 bullet like ninja it's like looks like a proper blender okay I dropped it in that lemon was

00:17:49.520 destroyed pulverized in seconds now I still went 45 seconds or whatever he recommended on one of

00:17:55.980 the things okay I was like let's give it a shot and ran for my phone so I could send you a pic

00:18:01.300 yeah yeah pulverized and then I started to go maybe a lemon isn't that hard to bust up maybe

00:18:05.780 lemons aren't it's not because once you get in there once you break through that skin it's over

00:18:10.200 right without lemon right i guess the skin i just thought i cut off the little end that has the oh

00:18:16.260 interesting no not the whole nub just the part with the where the stem is essentially if there

00:18:22.800 was a stem oh right right you mean yeah that part but i left as much nub from both ends as i could

00:18:28.220 because it's filled with pith the pith is the white part for those who don't recall

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00:18:43.180 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:18:48.380 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:18:52.380 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:18:53.720 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:18:57.340 So no, I am not your guru.

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00:19:03.760 I lied to police.

00:19:04.680 I lied to everybody there were years right where I could not say your name I've decided to go back

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00:19:14.360 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened isn't it a little bit weird that they

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00:22:09.420 preset. Okay, we're back. Yeah, I'm going to go do that health tonic. I was just going to say

00:22:18.140 really quick. Yeah, I was just gonna say really quick about the depression. Yes, please reason

00:22:22.580 that my manner speaking of it is whatever is like, or for some reason, I feel the need for

00:22:28.120 listeners to know that you asked me to talk about it. Yes, I did. I find it too embarrassing to be

00:22:32.860 like, Hey, so yeah, I'm struggling. Of course. You know what I mean? Or like just sort of like

00:22:39.360 taking up space. No, let it, let that free you. I asked you. Yeah. Cause I think you have a lot

00:22:44.700 to offer. I mean my big, and I've, I think I've said this before on Poog, like my, one of my

00:22:50.740 bigger like ways that I see it of if you're in it and you know, you're in it. Okay. That is sort

00:22:56.840 of comforting because to me it's similar like being premenstrual or anything like that is like

00:23:01.100 to go a lot of what I'm perceiving is illusion yes you know it's it's like it's like you're not

00:23:06.860 seeing hallucinations you're not seeing uh discrete illusions right it's like the lens itself right so

00:23:13.780 it seeps into everything yeah so it's invisible in that way so then it's like it's like invisible

00:23:18.420 but so you have to remind yourself that you're seeing illusion and I always feel like it's

00:23:21.520 the way like Gotham City is and Batman like the way like New York is in life and then Gotham City

00:23:26.700 is in Batman to me like at least growing up the sense of it was like it was like it's like it's

00:23:31.120 New York to me like Gotham City was always like New York but like particular level of like gritty

00:23:37.020 darkness attached to it you know what I mean yeah and um so it's almost like I walk around and I'm

00:23:42.660 like I'm actually in New York but it feels like Gotham City right right and then I think about

00:23:49.220 the in whatever in in early Batman whatever was like the first Batman movie I saw they had I don't

00:23:54.620 know one of them they had like areas with these apartments and they were very like crowded but it

00:23:59.300 was like people were living in there you know what I mean like it's fine yeah yeah yes you can live

00:24:05.160 inside of Gotham City is my point and even just kind of be like like you can you can create so

00:24:11.380 once you've projected it's like once the depression or whatever the issue is has projected this

00:24:16.380 illusion kind of onto everything and let's say you don't feel you can get rid of that or fight

00:24:22.800 that fight that's another topic okay to go okay yes I'm in an illusion unfortunately I'm in the

00:24:30.160 illusion right now I don't have the energy to fight it and get rid of it yeah that's that's

00:24:35.800 too much to ask and so I just have to make a home inside of it and it's like and that's not so bad

00:24:43.360 right like that's kind of I mean like and and and that is all to say and this is whether I

00:24:51.440 achieved it or not was the intended uh and because i am in slightly depressed state it's really hard

00:24:56.760 for me to think of think any of my work holds merit but the attempt of the book was to provide

00:25:03.780 something other than here's how you get out of it because to be within gotham city planting a little

00:25:10.320 you know flower on the windowsill or whatever yes exactly just to and and my entire perspective

00:25:15.980 about this the reason that that is i can imagine like i'm now imagining like some mother of some

00:25:21.400 son okay who who the son is depressed or or some whatever I don't know someone with their loved

00:25:28.220 one who's depressed and and them being furious that they're trying to set up life inside Gotham

00:25:33.860 City okay and then being like you know Jesus Johnny I thought you know I thought you had

00:25:40.140 a spark to you or Jesus Johnny I thought you you were a fighter okay or whatever or you know my

00:25:46.660 case like I thought you were aware that our thoughts create our experience you know what I

00:25:52.020 mean like yeah sure I like I fully raised myself on like self-help and psychological literature

00:25:58.580 no one knows more than me that we um you know create our own reality or whatever all of it 0.98

00:26:05.880 so I know all that shit and sometimes you just you still can't fucking do it yes of course you 0.97

00:26:12.780 know and then it can be a way of stopping the spiral about i'm not good enough at doing my 0.99

00:26:18.680 cognitive behavioral therapy work you know i'm not you know i've said all these things before

00:26:22.940 but they're just like my touchstones of like don't argue with the devil because the devil always

00:26:27.460 wins it's like it's like sometimes it's like don't argue with you know with the depression

00:26:31.680 like just don't don't fucking wrestle with it and exhaust yourself which is the which is a helpful

00:26:38.700 thing right like that which you resist persists right like the idea of like there is a comfort 0.82

00:26:45.440 to just being like and and something helpful right of like letting the feeling happen moving

00:26:51.360 through it not pushing it away like full acceptance yeah yeah and then like I mean the

00:26:57.900 the weird thing is like the way that the metaphor like catches for me that's unfortunate is that I

00:27:03.840 tend to have hold a model around depression which is like you know it's not these emotions kind of

00:27:10.260 rolling through you that you know you have to feel this is where it's like tricky it's sort of like

00:27:15.400 it's a deadening of that it's a you know like so like so there's almost like I don't know it's it's

00:27:21.100 it's tricky it's almost like you're trying to access an emotion to process to then relieve

00:27:24.920 the thing that's like that has overburdened the emotional system and caused it to shut down or

00:27:30.340 whatever it's like so i guess so so i feel like that's part of why like with the book i would

00:27:38.180 occasionally get these like emails or comments from someone who would be like you know well it's

00:27:43.800 it's funny i as a you know educated psychological whatever i as a therapist i as a whatever

00:27:48.960 like you know you never believe this but what you are actually doing in your book

00:27:54.280 is kind of a like a form of mindfulness oh yeah i know i mean it's like it's like it's like yeah

00:28:04.400 i know it's like when you do something in somewhat of a creative or artistic form the assumption that

00:28:11.220 like you've anything you've done good you've done unconsciously right right right i mean literally

00:28:17.160 like people you know go up to comedians you're smart oh my god we don't know this yeah what you 0.96

00:28:23.980 do is you know i think comedians are some of the smartest people not the fool clowns we all assume 0.85

00:28:31.240 yeah yeah who amble on through and and and through their deranged uh worldview having to

00:28:37.320 give us a couple chuckles yeah you're on to something but yeah so i am so i guess uh this

00:28:43.260 is all to say that right now maybe more than before some of the me serious like i i put my

00:28:51.760 head like right on the fucking red light unit and i was like yeah like they say like okay under four 0.67

00:28:58.000 inches like now you're getting a little bit of emfs and i was like well i guess you'll get the 0.99

00:29:03.020 emfs you're getting them anyway lay it the fuck down yeah yeah do you because this is where you 0.91

00:29:10.220 and I are really different like yeah I depression is not my natural state or like I am a you know 0.97

00:29:18.240 anxious person so it's like that all I have more you know tool I have tools around those things but

00:29:23.980 I am absolutely extroverted in the sense that like being around other people really helps me

00:29:31.380 in that way or like being like I know of course sometimes I have to be alone but I also know that

00:29:36.500 I it's like I have to surround myself with friends too or like physically out of me aren't you can't

00:29:44.400 you feel it I'm like I'm like don't you think like I was like you and I we go to jar oh I'd

00:29:51.280 love to it's gonna lift your spirits baby girl yeah I mean I know that's not I know it's not

00:29:55.380 the solution to depression but I just mean is that something that you could do on Tuesday night

00:30:02.820 at 7 30 p.m. Is that, is that for you on par with the light pad? Do you know what I mean? Like

00:30:09.280 you've got exercise, you've got potential EMF exposure, but what about, you know, jar?

00:30:15.320 No, it's classic that I never consider, um, friends or community. It only happens, you know,

00:30:22.020 by accident because what is it? Um, well, first of all, yeah. And first of all, I am not,

00:30:30.220 this is the thing it's like I'm not in it right I'm not in it in it I am like thank god totally

00:30:35.540 cable being distracted out of it like yeah you know which used to be a thing where I go like

00:30:40.220 is depression even real if the television comes on like we come back from commercial and suddenly

00:30:44.960 I'm fine you know what I mean like my eyes dart over to the tv yeah no totally yeah I mean yeah

00:30:51.840 and I'm absolutely like one of the things like that's giving me a great deal of I don't know

00:30:56.760 what is my three closest friends from growing up have finally, you know, finally realized who they

00:31:05.560 have in their group, me. Okay. And I've reached out about skincare. Oh, hey. Okay. So there's an

00:31:11.960 ongoing conversation happening with my three oldest friends in which I get to lead and be an

00:31:20.440 insouciant beast really. Okay. I don't know what that means, but I've been called it a few times.

00:31:25.420 Okay. So like literally, like, like I'm dying to tell you about it. And I, and I know she won't

00:31:32.060 mind. Okay. One of my friends, I'm like, what do I call her? Hazel. Okay. Yes. Call her Hazel.

00:31:36.860 She's hysterical. Okay. Because so we get into this conversation and it started because I was

00:31:43.280 going to send my one friend a package. I was like, cause she just wanted full trust. Right. She was

00:31:47.420 like, just give me what I like, whatever it is, put it together. I'll do it. Wow. That's fun.

00:31:53.000 yeah so i'm like all right here's your basics okay god wouldn't the listeners die to see what

00:31:59.040 i want to know tell me now tell me now uh i have to look because it was um

00:32:04.880 my face just dropped because i was like well as we all know i don't have retinol or vitamin c in 0.96

00:32:10.960 my fucking regime no way your face dropped because you remember me saying like literally 0.96

00:32:15.060 where am i to have a podcast at all that even attempts to to educate if i myself i mean well 0.99

00:32:22.560 you don't attempt to educate we do not no of course not but you know we are not doctors you

00:32:27.020 know we are not speak for yourself yeah no I just laughing because like like I was saying like we

00:32:33.400 are not doctors folks like like no one being confused that we're doctors you know like this

00:32:37.940 is not medical advice so no I don't have a retinol actually active in my system at the moment to be

00:32:44.380 clear in my regimen like I have the tretinoin sitting there and like it's hard for me to get

00:32:48.820 inspired by its medicinal nature i don't know i just i've been so you know paralyzed in the face

00:32:54.360 of the vitamin c options and oh you want the ones that are powder form oh you want the one that has

00:32:59.320 to be in your fridge once again i'm enchanted by a squirrel who's on my deck oh there was a possum

00:33:04.720 um wait what yeah there was i think it was a possum and i don't know if there's an o at the 0.99

00:33:09.700 beginning of that word and i will never figure that shit out okay i just an opossum are you 0.98

00:33:15.380 it's crazy ridiculous well i choose to then the way that i pronounce it is sort of like 0.99

00:33:21.460 i'm in the country i'm in the woods okay yeah and i see a apostrophe possum you see what i'm saying 0.74

00:33:27.980 yes yeah yes yes awesome so there was someone coughing in a tree outside my window in a tree

00:33:36.520 yeah and um and the neighbor um i heard coughing in the night and then the neighbor reported to

00:33:41.500 me that they heard coughing in the night and it was like is there a man in the tree and

00:33:45.440 and then there nope it was a little possum so sweet yeah just just coughing hopefully it's

00:33:53.060 all right so oh my god but me saying oh my god that was me remembering something so not

00:34:00.900 the what i was right oh my god it was that i have to do laundry because i had this vision

00:34:06.660 talking about possums and i fear as we all know i have this terrifying basement where my laundry

00:34:10.680 is and um every time i go in there i imagine like there will of course be men down there waiting for

00:34:15.840 me right to murder me but then also i so i imagine so like first okay there's no one down here but 0.97

00:34:21.280 then i also imagine like 4 000 rats scurrying oh yeah and so i'm thinking fuck i have to go down 0.97

00:34:30.100 there and yet you you faced this fear last year i faced it you know what it is i haven't been down 0.98

00:34:35.940 there and what happened it worked out for you i've been out of town i haven't been down there

00:34:39.680 for about two weeks so i always fear no that they've they've they've infiltrated during that

00:34:43.960 they've created a family i have the same with the roaches a roach came in yesterday or the other

00:34:49.940 evening off it goes you know i just i got that diet diatomus diatomus fossil food grade oh yeah

00:34:59.280 the skeletons that they choke on it's so crazy no it dries them out it's disgusting okay and that 0.98

00:35:06.260 shit is i like poured that shit everywhere um because there's this thing that you use this 0.99

00:35:10.760 accordion that shoots it out like and dusts things and like i didn't have that or actually no it was 0.99

00:35:16.880 in the bag i thought where is it it was deep you know when the scoop comes inside the powder

00:35:21.100 so i ordered a secondary one and then found the original fuck so last night i i um oh i cleaned

00:35:28.400 out the fridge well this is the thing so so in in okay here it is here it is folks okay okay here 0.74

00:35:33.120 we go i have been i have been suspended in a state of do i head to the hills okay find a deal

00:35:41.080 whatever okay and go go to the mental clarity that is some kind of hotel you know you know

00:35:49.660 whatever or the fleur noir which is very affordable and was really good for work that i did okay yeah

00:35:56.320 so it's like do i go to like a place like that do i run to the desert or do i face my home

00:36:00.960 oh god of course face the fridge yeah face the fridge face the clutter face the whatever 0.81

00:36:07.500 i tend to go fuck it i have something to get done this isn't a time to be a hero okay because and 0.99

00:36:14.480 and you know set up a healthy workspace it's like fuck it you know there's a deadline let's do what 0.99

00:36:20.740 i gotta do but but me continuing to do that is starting to feel like like i don't know like you 0.99

00:36:29.220 got to face the fucking home make your home somewhere you like to be I know my yeah it's 0.81

00:36:35.500 true this oh listen to that voice there is a yeah yeah I'm not going to be able to organize things 0.99

00:36:42.500 for another like six months I just have to know and and so and once again you know all or nothing

00:36:47.320 right it's all or nothing and so I'm trying so hard and this is like this is me fighting a good

00:36:51.520 fight to do are you ready for it once again cumulative a little at a time oh no I know how

00:36:57.980 could it be and i'm like lying there and like you know there are these dialogues that have to happen

00:37:03.000 like between me and chris right in this because because i'm not alone i've got someone there

00:37:08.140 witnessing me collapsing right right and so it's like there's someone going well what can we do

00:37:15.100 right what can we do you know to to help you not spiral or or hey what are you doing

00:37:21.800 because so there's this thing that like oh i've got work to do and i'm like i'll feel better if

00:37:27.300 i do the work that i've got to do yes right that's weighing on me that'll make you feel better the

00:37:30.940 work will save you and then it's like okay i'm gonna go upstairs to do the work and then like

00:37:35.000 he finds me cleaning out a drawer and then like collapsing right and so then he's like he's like

00:37:41.200 i just want to check in like he was like should you be like maybe you feel better if you do the

00:37:46.200 work or versus quote rifling through things yeah yeah and i was i was at the moment that he caught

00:37:53.440 me rifling through canvas tote bag filled with unopened packaged Easter eggs. Okay. That I was

00:38:00.940 going, what's in this bag? And there was a reason it was because it was, I had decided that how am

00:38:05.380 I going to get work done? If I can't walk a clean path to the desk, if I'm stepping over things to

00:38:10.120 get to the desk, how am I going to survive that? Pure chaos. Yeah. So I decided to move, start

00:38:14.300 moving some of the items anyway. But yeah, these dialogues, okay. These dialogues where you're in

00:38:20.720 the state and you're talking to someone who loves you right it's like almost like so I'm lying there

00:38:23.960 like small you know and I'm like yeah it's like you know and he's like talk to me I can't okay

00:38:29.440 yeah yeah you know like what's wrong impossible to say or like like words shall not you know like

00:38:36.600 whatever and it's like it's like what can we do nothing yeah yeah and then it's like well we're

00:38:42.740 not going to do nothing so you know whatever you know what might help cleaning okay or you know or

00:38:50.800 you know should we go for a walk no okay yeah never going for a walk it just sounds impossible

00:38:55.980 to me but then maybe if there's a destination i can get on board right so what it's taking the

00:39:01.760 so right so it's been this distance so so then last night i was like i'm going to so then i just

00:39:06.040 started i cleaned out the fridge wow i didn't even complete the task okay but like i have to

00:39:12.720 There was something sticky that spilled in the drawer.

00:39:16.180 Oh, no.

00:39:16.720 Still don't know what that is.

00:39:17.900 You know when it drips all the way down, okay?

00:39:20.440 So many layers down.

00:39:22.740 Everything's got to go.

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00:42:36.600 i've realized i've become unclear on condiments okay and and frankly sell by dates

00:42:43.820 sell by listen what the hell it's fine for months depending on what it is sell by is excruciating 0.99

00:42:52.360 well here's the question are you ready here's the here's the the fucker what 0.98

00:42:56.840 once you open it now it's five days or whatever oh no okay a lot of times you have to find that 0.98

00:43:04.720 down in the like by the nutritional information they're like yeah like refrigerate upon opening

00:43:10.300 within and consume within five days yes and the here's what's killing me and this is something

00:43:16.340 i read years ago and it ruined me salsa tomato sauce they're like you better once you've opened

00:43:23.200 it you better use it within five oh tomato sauce also tomato paste one of the one of the hardest

00:43:27.420 things to understand like two days three days they say get it out how can you imagine that's

00:43:33.100 why they make tomato paste in a toothpaste thing wait does that make sense help me help me no it

00:43:38.460 does yeah because less exposure to oxygen because you're squeezing out yeah a little bit of time and

00:43:42.720 you cap it like your vitamin c but yeah tomato sauce and you know this is why i i really never

00:43:47.520 cook meat in my house really i'm so scared of it oh well yeah and like by the way chicken has never

00:43:53.540 been cooked in this in my house i fear chicken more than most things yeah i once you cook chicken

00:43:59.840 if you look at it says you gotta eat that in two days that's two days once it's cooked uh-huh three

00:44:06.520 three max because first of all who's not bringing home like even prepared chicken salads let's say

00:44:13.040 from the i know the deli uh glass right and no they're not like i better eat it and and having

00:44:19.940 to go and then what's what's really upsetting to me is the rayos okay unfinished rayos oh and the

00:44:26.260 jar of the tomato yeah where it's like three quarters full and i'm like that's six weeks ago

00:44:30.520 yeah it's hell for that to go down the drain knowing it's my absolute like i would drink it 0.72

00:44:37.420 and also you know it's really fucked up it would probably be fine and taste good honestly 0.97

00:44:42.160 not six weeks maybe not six but i feel like when i was a teenager i'd get classico 0.98

00:44:49.280 well first of all salsa and all those things like this idea of something as being a

00:44:53.360 a condiment made it seem like it lives forever so here's a question jar of olives jar of olives

00:44:59.320 forever forever forever almost forever really oh because i start to have anxiety like did i get a

00:45:07.260 little sloppy and reach a finger in there for an olive at some point and then like bacteria has

00:45:11.540 grown on the surface six weeks later petri dish like my my finger has been like

00:45:17.940 but yeah my finger has been propagating in there yeah um and I'm just like looking and then I also

00:45:24.840 don't like when there's so much olive juice and only a little bit of olives that upsets me I've

00:45:29.860 started actually pouring out some of the olive juice making it level with the olives yeah I

00:45:33.660 understand well it's also the the the ultimate devastation is when you buy of course a lettuce

00:45:41.460 a leaf something of that nature and it's in there and it's just like right now I have some chard in

00:45:46.280 there and it's I'm ashamed I have to cook it today because it's just like it probably after

00:45:51.920 today it's going to be too wilted it's going to be over but well the hubris in buying you know

00:45:57.960 six dollars worth of chard in there yeah last night I almost ordered in some because I was

00:46:03.060 watching the Dr. Berg videos again and just by the way he pronounces it already glyphosate

00:46:08.540 whoa yeah I was like oh my god because you obviously glyphosate which to me is kind of

00:46:16.020 like sexier definitely glyphosate comes off the tongue yeah yeah it rolls off glyphosate

00:46:22.920 rigmarole but i cleaned out the fridge and then what else did i do that was big oh i went onto

00:46:29.040 my bookshelf where all my books okay so i have no no uh bookends you're right now you're saying

00:46:34.600 grab a marble bust from over sitting on the pedestal by your door and place it there don't

00:46:39.440 have one okay there's a lack of heavy items sitting around so they've all been in piles I

00:46:45.400 found a trick and I got them up vertical one shelf vertical books next there's a hell corner

00:46:54.240 that is that is also my favorite corner right now okay it's a specific spot on the couch it's a

00:46:59.500 corner of the couch where I live and breathe where I eat drink and often sleep okay yeah and when I'm

00:47:06.960 sitting in it I feel comfort familiarity and also just absolute stagnancy of spirit

00:47:13.720 yeah and I think it's time I'm gonna have to move furniture once again oh yeah switch up the space

00:47:23.040 yeah and I really believe for me that the energy literally collects in unmoved spaces

00:47:32.400 oh this is all to say that i was afraid this is all about the roach thing and no more cardboard

00:47:37.860 boxes no more unopened packages sitting around i know package comes in open and put it away

00:47:44.500 no you gotta unwrap that and you gotta yeah no it's because they love cardboard apparently

00:47:50.040 what the spirits sorry the roaches oh by the way we've discussed this right demon or bug oh yeah

00:47:58.120 we did discuss some demon or bug i'll take demon i know i can defeat it oh my god bug not so much

00:48:04.440 can't call in the power of christ on a bug because all you'll do is give it hope i mean

00:48:11.860 you know like i want to destroy life no no power of christ my urge to like prescribe things for

00:48:19.020 you i'm like okay so we have dinner we'll get a dinner on the books and then we'll do um we'll

00:48:24.700 do a hike we'll get you into nature so you feel god hikes they're fine okay hike is a strong word

00:48:33.500 yeah no right but it's almost like this is again my derangement it's like i need the challenge to 0.75

00:48:40.280 well i might go i might go back to fucking kundalini yoga and and again i'll say it the 0.87

00:48:45.700 rogue not the kundalini institute which is a lot of people have issues with the rogue characters 0.96

00:48:50.480 of ana brett and rabbi singh and their dance the chakra videos that saved me years ago saved me

00:48:57.080 yeah but i face oh because they're difficult that's what i was gonna say it's almost like

00:49:03.340 the easy hike that you promised if it's too easy it won't challenge me enough to shake me up it'll

00:49:07.860 just be like an irritation right it's almost like mountain climb i could do well by the way

00:49:14.460 i want to do an indoor rock wall okay i'd love to do an indoor rock wall let's go

00:49:19.520 the focus let's freaking go masked of course i know instantly i went there it'd be fine we

00:49:29.360 could mask i'm well you know what i want to say i'm uh well i guess when this airs this will be

00:49:33.920 in two weeks because i have my shows in london i know that came out for you yes and i'm of course

00:49:40.420 terrified of getting covid again well nothing i can do well welcome to london because not a mask

00:49:47.680 and sight. Yeah. Not a mask and sight. There's even signs. There's a, there's a, there's a

00:49:52.000 campaign, a, um, national campaign, apparently like a PSA. It says, um, it's called living with

00:49:58.280 COVID. Interesting. They're like, it's here to stay. So take off your mask and make yourself

00:50:04.860 comfortable. Wow. Wow. Yeah. What'd you do for 4th of July? I researched, um, getting things done,

00:50:13.800 apps. I tried about, I tried about six different software programs, signed up for some already

00:50:20.920 seeking refunds on others, read so many different accounts. This is my other world, the productivity

00:50:27.680 world, you know, that I spend some time in and then just panicked and went back to a list.

00:50:33.320 We'll see where I land on that. I'll let people know if I land on a good system. But yeah,

00:50:37.900 so it's sort of that. What else? Ordered some goggles. Oh, I got in the pool.

00:50:42.440 oh goggles for the pool great yeah and i was like i'm not you know a big swimmer there are periods

00:50:48.280 in my life where i'm able to do a little but i was like all right let's get in for five minutes

00:50:52.200 there was oh you love it sense of community occurred okay naturally i was new girl i was

00:50:57.100 new girl cute at the lap lane very fun and i walk up and i see like swim caps required i'm like oh

00:51:03.140 fuck okay but then like they have them you can get them at the front desk okay so i'm like all right

00:51:07.520 and then go over and all the lap lanes are like full and there's a whiteboard with like an 0.98

00:51:13.720 impossibly confusing set of names and and times right and I roll over and I kind of go to the

00:51:19.660 group I go so you got to make an appointment or yeah and they sort of sprung into action

00:51:24.460 like it was like excited to help yeah they're really excited to welcome you to the community

00:51:28.460 they're like they're like well you could just erase one of those names and da da da and then

00:51:32.220 someone else pipes in I wouldn't erase that name Joe is not done with his lap just because he's not

00:51:36.240 in a lane doesn't mean he's done with his time right he gets out and he does this like armband

00:51:41.060 thing on the side it's one guy and then that guy comes back like a little later and he's like

00:51:46.220 he's like what you can do is um he's like you put your name in here and he's like and then you put

00:51:51.260 in the time you're in because no one's supposed to do more than 20 minutes he goes you put it in

00:51:54.800 for 10 minutes later than you're actually getting in that way you get extra 10 oh and i was like i

00:52:00.820 don't know if i can do more than five joe i haven't been in the water in a while again like love it

00:52:05.400 forcing these beautiful beautiful we need it I got in I did some breaststroke I'm proud you know

00:52:12.200 nothing makes me happier than a pool sitting by it well then there you go I think you taking

00:52:19.080 initiative and going down to the lot pool and even engaging with that culture is a huge step

00:52:23.500 and I think I'm serious I'm dead serious I know you are and I am too and it reminded me of like

00:52:33.480 open mics it reminded me of like like my first open mic like although actually these people were

00:52:38.240 a lot nicer but of course you know they're kind of like there's the sign up sheets over there

00:52:42.840 element oh yeah oh god how'd we ever do it and then how tomorrow i'll be an elder statesman

00:52:50.220 literally if i'm there and someone new shows up boom now i'm an elder statesman just because i

00:52:54.880 even know the bear the tiniest bit i know it's that's how it goes an interesting dynamic so

00:53:02.520 it's all to say that right now

00:53:04.360 I'm really

00:53:05.860 we're putting it all to the test

00:53:08.300 we're putting the modalities to the test

00:53:10.000 because I'm going to be trying them all

00:53:11.560 with a different spirit

00:53:14.160 one of desperation

00:53:15.680 or one of real need

00:53:17.500 so I don't know things are about to get high stakes around here

00:53:20.000 when I come back out of town I'm going to force you

00:53:22.520 to go to JAR with me

00:53:23.760 I can't wait

00:53:24.620 I love you

00:53:26.740 love you too

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - July 19, 2022

The Black Dog, Again

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