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00:02:08.720 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:10.140 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:11.260 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:02:16.000 Two untamable intellects.

00:02:17.780 This is our hobby. 0.97

00:02:18.620 This is our hell.

00:02:19.500 This is our naked desire for free products.

00:02:21.800 This is POOG.

00:02:23.000 Today's topic?

00:02:24.020 Loosely speaking.

00:02:25.420 Mini Mouse.

00:02:26.600 Where's my bag?

00:02:28.860 Cherry.

00:02:32.120 A ding dong.

00:02:33.920 It's me.

00:02:34.420 Ding dong.

00:02:35.260 Hello, it's me.

00:02:36.520 My hair is wet.

00:02:37.500 I'm fresh.

00:02:38.000 Oh, I'm fresh off of two things.

00:02:40.380 Like a three-hour nap, midday, wake at night, usually hell, usually an instant depression

00:02:45.640 kickoff, and then immediately full recount of my dream to Chris, which was wild, and

00:02:54.780 then immediately onto the mat to do tracy in full shower for three minutes three hours with you

00:03:00.340 it's wild because minimum i took a very uncharacteristic nap this evening i fell

00:03:06.100 asleep for i'd say 15 minutes 20 minutes complete sleep unbelievable woke up immediately started

00:03:14.160 reading just what eyes open grabbed the book was alert was absorbing information just directly

00:03:20.340 into directly into it it's weird because it's like when you open a book right versus your phone

00:03:27.800 not to belabor the points of the generation but not to belabor the fact that i'm still

00:03:33.120 off social media what is the difference right yeah exactly the difference is the book is just

00:03:38.860 sturdily there i don't know it's it's just an entirely different experience

00:03:45.300 duh yeah all right excuse me i want to talk about a couple things okay great okay so the tyranny of

00:03:51.160 taste yeah it's a term i heard my friend say once and she explained it at the time as like even

00:03:57.520 people with whatever their taste was once they taste a bit of luxury they can't go back i mean

00:04:02.220 they can't go back of course you're often forced to go back literally by the cost right yes however 0.98

00:04:09.820 what fuck it i pushed the korean shampoo on chris right the first one ryo he became obsessed 0.98

00:04:16.380 he becomes this other one though this red one called ryo or r-r-y-o and then he's just convinced 0.99

00:04:23.420 he loves it whatever whatever and and then i bring in the amh which has changed my life 40

00:04:28.900 other korean shampoo that's incredible and i'm like this is next level this is like the ryo but

00:04:35.380 like even more okay and i like see it not diminishing on his part right and i'm like

00:04:41.880 hello like why aren't you using it and he's like i don't know i think i love the other one more like

00:04:46.780 whatever i was like chris chris it's also like one of the korean shampoos and he was like well

00:04:51.180 yeah otherwise i wouldn't touch the stuff you know what i mean like it's like it's like how

00:04:56.460 it becomes i don't know there's a question of shall i upgrade to quality t-shirts oh from what

00:05:03.520 for example oh well trust me i did a splurge the other day oh right i bought and i texted you about

00:05:10.640 it yeah because you're always encouraging me more yeah you describing me as cheap is one of my 0.97

00:05:15.760 the greatest honors seeing myself as a cheap bastard through your eyes it's like really 0.85

00:05:20.140 illuminating because i never call anyone cheap it's the rudest thing and you love it and that's 0.92

00:05:24.400 why i do it i love it you're cheap i love it because it's true like in these ways anyway i

00:05:31.800 bought I bought an exciting vintage Versace shirt I don't want to talk about it okay but there it is

00:05:38.660 there it immediately texted you to validate the purchase and you were yes yes and it's just

00:05:44.440 every now and then okay anyway no wait but hold on no right were you about to rationalize like

00:05:49.640 every now and then you got to treat yourself or something you feel like shame but here's a

00:05:53.720 question do you okay i love the idea of procuring vintage designer goods right at a deal hunting it

00:06:04.440 down finding the deal or not okay i guess or springing for whatever it is but i feel like 0.75

00:06:09.980 i don't have this kind of many many many many years long understanding of the goddamn brands 0.86

00:06:17.600 where they can hold full meaning for me do you know what i mean what's the dream make a ton of 0.95

00:06:22.200 money roll into the gucci store and just buy something random and i guess that's what people 0.89

00:06:25.660 do they just buy the expensive shit right it's so strange to imagine like fresh off the rack just

00:06:31.240 like a rodeo drive like walking into gucci right today one of those one of those because if you 0.99

00:06:38.000 know something right there are people who know things right like i have a friend who knows a 0.96

00:06:43.180 lot about fashion through the years and he really knows the shit and so i just feel aware of the 0.89

00:06:47.460 fact that my purchase would be uninformed you know what i mean of course yeah no there's something 1.00

00:06:52.140 very be like oh you didn't get the why didn't you get the classic loafer you're a fool you spent the 0.95

00:06:57.260 very same money on the thing that's that that they introduced this year and it will fly away in one 0.89

00:07:03.060 second you know what i mean and it's it's crazy too i mean i sent you a picture of it it's like

00:07:06.460 very and i also realized i'm gonna wear this for the rest of my life yes that's and i know people

00:07:12.120 say that but i'm like no this actually i can wear sort of forever yes and right now it's practically

00:07:18.060 a dress i mean it's long i can't actually wear a dress but i plan to match it with a mini skirt

00:07:23.360 and strappy sandals oh yeah i mean and you at 96 frankly oh i could do it elaine's beautiful

00:07:30.340 yeah so i was like i see it and it's sort of the other thing that's exciting about your purchase

00:07:35.880 is that it's not some plain red silk blouse that you know is versace right impeccably made no that

00:07:44.040 this is and could just be worn with everything and everything it is a dramatic visible pattern

00:07:49.320 yeah oh no it's a it's a conversation piece it's a it's a risk I get it might be 90s I didn't even

00:07:55.560 ask how dare I now do you have any associations with Versace like beyond did you did you yeah I

00:08:03.280 love you just know you love Versace yeah I just well I just I have a affinity for those those

00:08:09.780 90s Versace dresses and prints and I just I eat it up I really do yeah yeah I feel like I can't

00:08:19.440 get joy out of purchases like for the most part unless there's something some meaning under it

00:08:26.740 that I understand like why there's something in me that I'm like okay I have to read about all

00:08:31.520 the houses the fashion houses like for the last 50 years before I can make a single purchase

00:08:36.800 because i don't know what it means i don't like using a word i don't know what it means right

00:08:42.820 right yeah just arbitrarily being like it's versace which yeah because i mean i don't claim

00:08:48.400 to have any actual knowledge aside from having watched the assassination of johnny versace

00:08:54.200 yes yes no and sometimes that's all you need to to get you there i don't know it's just taking

00:09:01.220 ownership of a brand like a friend had rented a house somewhere like i i don't know if it's

00:09:06.280 about this vineyard or nantucket or something but it had that look the houses had that like

00:09:10.300 grayish blue little look and it was sort of like you go there and you're looking around and all 0.95

00:09:16.940 these people you could tell like this is their fucking place they're like their family's been 0.93

00:09:20.780 coming here for years and whatever like maybe they're two years in you know what i mean maybe 0.99

00:09:24.820 they've come for two summers right now they're top dogs or whatever in their mind now they know

00:09:29.040 where the ice cream shop is that everyone loves blah blah cape cod same thing sometimes i'm just

00:09:33.440 like how do you if it's not handed down the the the love of something where does it come from i

00:09:41.300 know yeah where do you start you just arbitrarily pick decide i'm gonna be no everything is modeled

00:09:46.880 right what is innate very little right i mean you're just googling then i'm googling the word

00:09:55.020 best like then i'm googling the word right best place to vacation you know what i mean like

00:10:00.480 it's humiliating yeah i mean

00:10:03.320 well actually i have an answer anywhere where there's a sea bob oh wow are we gonna tell them

00:10:11.620 jacqueline and i went on a really beautiful trip with a friend we found ourselves in crystal clear

00:10:20.640 waters we found ourselves completely transformed into wild adventurous women who do water sports

00:10:33.120 people think we're chatty chatties and we're chatting on the shore with with a with a crumpled

00:10:38.640 up novel this we explore the mind so we were water sportsmen so there's there's this thing

00:10:45.700 called a sea bob which kind of is like an underwater jet ski but you don't sit on it

00:10:49.520 you kind of just ride it you just mount it almost actually you're not supposed to mount it i was

00:10:53.880 right you did and then it was like we kind of tried mounting it it's like a motor with two

00:11:00.380 handles and a button that accelerates and it carries you wildly through the ocean like this

00:11:06.140 and you wear you wear goggles and you can you go under the water and you're driving underwater or

00:11:14.100 you go at the surface you arc you can arc you can bounce along the surface no safety demonstration

00:11:19.360 yeah you can bounce along the surface screaming wildly we were euphorically screaming and laughing

00:11:26.320 it was one of the most joyful moments of my life we went so fast i've never been so deep in the

00:11:32.140 ocean so far away from the shore just alone yes and we were just going out out out again we're

00:11:38.160 glancing over at each other like cackling and bouncing on the surf and anytime this happened

00:11:43.120 to me once before with a friend i know one of those tubes that they pull in the boat and you're

00:11:47.220 bouncing along and the sort of like violent joy yeah it's so comical to feel one's body thrashed

00:11:53.540 about in these ways and and motorized right and it's comical like it's comical to be to be a body

00:11:59.440 being just like dragged along and it's it's it's a kind of ecstasy that is so outside of you after

00:12:05.420 you after you leave childhood right there are very few like the child who's i never experienced this

00:12:13.300 yeah the father tossing the child in the air but oh no i had another realization about this

00:12:19.140 because you know we talk about a slugger or whatever the father who loves his daughter for

00:12:22.600 for being being boyish or whatever yeah yes and in interstellar and whatever yeah

00:12:28.460 the way that the way that the femme continues to be degraded we're not going to talk about 1.00

00:12:34.800 Minnie Mouse Minnie Mouse's new look but oh my god you mean that she's just deeply offensive 1.00

00:12:41.840 shoved to the side or then her name so i i've been off social media so i didn't see this but

00:12:47.980 oh i didn't either okay so listen to this this is the most vile thing they gave mini mouse a new

00:12:53.940 look they stripped her of her iconic look no no no no no no no no no no no jacqueline jacqueline 0.99

00:12:59.380 i was headed and i'm furious she's a spelunker now so they took they ripped off her wonderful 1.00

00:13:06.980 dress and they threw on a pantsuit and she's wearing a fucking pantsuit they're like sweetie 1.00

00:13:16.700 let's get you out of that dress and put a ballot in that hand oh you're not gonna run for office 1.00

00:13:22.460 in that dress are you you whore oh my god so fucked up that is so vile this is so embarrassing 1.00

00:13:32.540 hell do you think you are as though that lifts a woman up i mean it's just as though i mean it's 1.00

00:13:39.700 such it's the embarrassment is just humiliating through my skull and it's it's really vile and

00:13:46.040 upsetting oh but but i had a real i had one recently gross confusion i was watching lethal

00:13:50.440 weapon or the lethal weapon franchise and i think it was renee roose's character but i could have

00:13:54.360 this wrong it doesn't matter i was like oh you know what they love in a woman in a movie what

00:13:59.180 that she grew up with brothers oh yeah oh yeah i grew up with brothers i was the one girl among

00:14:04.740 six brothers so heck yeah i grew up with six boys or whatever i i got us off topic mini mouse i

00:14:10.540 interrupted you you were talking about yeah we'll see bobs oh i know what it was it was about us

00:14:15.640 being sports we're bouncing along we're soaring out to sea yeah okay i'm looking at you i'm hitting

00:14:22.560 accelerate like i'm hitting the acceleration button like a lunatic who keeps hitting it again

00:14:27.840 and again trying to get more speed i know did you okay we never asked i never asked you this

00:14:32.200 did you have fear because i had early on moments of actual am i about to like just because we were

00:14:37.800 given no instruction really beyond just the press this to go faster this to go slower don't press

00:14:43.140 that button or that button here you go which i i was comforted in a way by by the lack the lack

00:14:50.720 in that scenario because i actually believed it i believed that that they don't want a death on

00:14:55.780 the property no they're not gonna throw and how fast do they go i believe i looked it up with 16

00:14:59.500 miles per hour or something yeah and which by the way is very fast yeah well yeah we thought we were

00:15:05.320 going 100 because they were like the way the thing it wasn't like miles per hour but it was it was

00:15:10.820 like there were numbers on it that showed you're like i'm at 100 i'm like fuck i'm at 60 this is 0.84

00:15:15.600 humiliating yeah yeah what the speed of car goes on the on the highway but i have to say 0.96

00:15:20.200 i believe it went up to 60 miles per hour 60 miles per hour i felt no fear it's incredibly

00:15:25.840 fast i had very early on moments of adrenaline of like i thought it went to 30 but all right

00:15:30.760 also because the vastness of the ocean cannot be overstated and like there is this thing of

00:15:35.520 just the imagery of the ocean you assume you're going to run head on into a shark or a whale or

00:15:39.200 something like that there's going to be something there let's i got a couple things to say yeah

00:15:43.240 first my only fear because i see you as sort of you're intuitive you act you're impulsive right

00:15:49.820 so i was a little bit worried i was like is she worried enough about us not running into each

00:15:54.960 right right colliding yeah i was like because we were kind of going in random directions once we

00:15:59.540 were really out far we just sort of like zipping around the thrill for me was to like tip it down

00:16:04.400 take a deep breath tip down see like how deep i could go yeah and then knowing as you're motorizing

00:16:09.200 down that that's making you further away from getting a breath yeah but also knowing that you

00:16:13.620 could motorize back up like when you need a breath and to be clear you need just to give people

00:16:18.660 understanding when you're going underwater your teeth are like it's the thing of your lips are

00:16:23.300 being blown back by the force yeah i mean it's really exciting and it was clear blue and then

00:16:29.560 two things happened first kate disappears

00:16:33.880 okay i i i come up i tear around i see nothing i see no bubbles i see nobody okay i wait for like

00:16:43.220 10 seconds thinking like okay well she's gonna need a breath soon and i'm like literally kate

00:16:49.360 no it's so sad oh my god i'm this is like i'm in the movie and i'm like kate kate and then

00:16:55.760 nothing where the hell are you nothing but like water around me i'm looking at the shore and i'm

00:17:01.180 like i gotta buzz back to shore right i gotta run back to shore to get help well i should look under

00:17:06.740 because what if you're like trapped under a like piece of you know coral down below right it would

00:17:11.880 make more sense for me to dive under and try to rescue you myself in that moment versus take three

00:17:16.440 minutes and brain death is achieved between me going back to get help and and so i was but i

00:17:22.700 was scared to look under i was scared of what i'd see but i did it you did look under yes i buzzed

00:17:29.160 under i looked around i was exactly like in a movie where someone buzzes under and they're

00:17:32.360 looking around wildly trying to find their friend and i see nothing and then i came up and then

00:17:37.140 somehow you emerged and where the hell i don't know where i went and to be clear you didn't in

00:17:43.360 the moment in any way allude to this you had thought perhaps i know because i was on to the

00:17:48.220 next you know what happened next i'll tell you oh yeah so i zip under we're in this actual coral

00:17:54.060 free kind of area right it's just smooth sand that feels like 30 feet deep or something right

00:17:59.540 and i'm looking down and i see one big fish huge and i'm like kate kate okay huge i made a

00:18:07.120 good like three feet at least right at least yeah you peer under you go and you come up and you go

00:18:13.600 that's a shark okay you go that's a shark and i'm like kate grew up in santa monica there's things

00:18:21.520 she knows i thought it was like a sand shark or some kind of shark that i once saw in hawaii

00:18:27.780 they're not they're not the scary kind like they're you know yes and so i like i'm like

00:18:32.780 looking you i believe you but i'm also like preventative fear in your eyes and then i and

00:18:37.320 i start buzzing off towards shore did you start like 15 feet yeah literally i decided to start

00:18:42.300 moving heading towards shore yeah while contemplating right well but then i went under

00:18:47.640 again looked at it and realized it's not a shark it's a fish but like this is the biggest fish

00:18:52.800 i've ever seen so there's like a couple other tiny fish around but there's really no there's

00:18:58.240 nothing going on down there we start we get so excited by the gigantic fish we are bobbing down

00:19:05.100 diving really close to it observing it it's kind of moving along we're following it we're like it's

00:19:10.900 not going too far it's kind of like almost stationary like it's yeah it's very slow we

00:19:15.540 didn't have to chase it it was like barely moving hanging down yeah it was hanging down there and

00:19:19.720 we were getting like a cat progressively closer like i was trying to go down gets intense to go

00:19:24.540 down there but i was like i didn't touch it of course but like i had this urge to touch it like

00:19:28.720 it was so yes it's wild i'd never seen anything like drag your hand so then yeah so we're hanging

00:19:33.620 out we're like watching this thing whatever flash forward ecstasy yeah so so we're cackling in the

00:19:40.760 sea we get back and the people on the beach alert us they could hear us cackling yeah they could

00:19:45.160 hear i had no idea i thought we were in the middle of the ocean yeah the fact that our laughter was

00:19:50.400 audible actually i'm neutral i was like do i feel shame no do i feel pride i don't feel pride i don't

00:19:59.100 feel shame it's just kind of i felt i don't know it made me happy somehow well being out there with

00:20:05.440 you in the ocean was one of the most joyous occasions of my entire life without question

00:20:09.280 and we were like what what was interesting about it was like there was no time this is what almost

00:20:15.120 moves me there are times when i've been out in physical wilderness stuff and i'm still being

00:20:19.800 like observational and cerebral and whatever yeah there was literally no time for that no

00:20:23.960 it was pure experience and i use the word sportsman and stuff like that to evoke a certain archetype

00:20:29.180 absolutely i will not i've been corrected before when i'm like i feel like the chairman here and

00:20:33.380 it's like chairwoman and i'm like no no i mean i'm acting like a chair man yeah yeah and you're

00:20:39.160 in your association from the 1980s but anyway we were just bounding around and you said and

00:20:44.760 this moved me you're like we bring out each other's adventurous side we were speed demons it was like

00:20:50.040 we realized an entire i felt so strong so later that night we're in bed together right we're in

00:20:57.440 our bed that we're sharing so cozy and we're we're googling fish okay to be like what are we

00:21:05.160 fishing the area we've been snorkeling we've been seeing gorgeous fish there's one i saw that was

00:21:09.800 called the blue smiler there was one i saw called the the damsel fish i think which was dark blue

00:21:15.320 with literal bright shining stars on it yeah i mean god is is real all you have to do is look 0.87

00:21:21.300 at a goddamn fish you spot it at the bottom of a fish card yeah which is like a thing i was 0.86

00:21:26.380 unfamiliar with yeah you can order them it was like low res like you have to pay to get the 0.99

00:21:30.460 full-size copy yeah we're like oh it was a barracuda it was a fucking barracuda it was a 0.89

00:21:35.920 great it was a great barracuda which immediately we start googling barracudas absolutely attack 0.97

00:21:43.240 swimmers and i said they're like oh yeah definitely stay away from these guys they

00:21:47.860 they have been known to attack i start looking at like lacerations that people have received 0.98

00:21:54.380 by barracudas like arms ripped almost to shreds like the idea that i could have like a fucking 0.99

00:22:02.100 idiot see bob down and it just latched onto my face oh my god can you imagine you back career 0.99

00:22:08.860 over i mean just you can imagine our eyes okay you and me undersea yeah yeah okay our huge 1.00

00:22:15.600 enchanted eyes telling ourselves telling ourselves tales in our head of the majesty of the ocean our

00:22:22.500 ruthless ignorance this is god yeah yeah yeah look just look at a fish laceration but he was just

00:22:28.780 chilling you know down there literally it was almost like there was a lot of don't worry you're

00:22:32.480 gonna be fine even if you see a barracuda stuff it was yeah it was like if you see a barracuda

00:22:35.940 just leave it alone like maybe they'll get agitated if there are other fish around and

00:22:39.900 i mean i don't know but it was and then we were like it couldn't be a barracuda and then there

00:22:44.680 was a moment where i was googling image search for barracuda and i saw an image of one because

00:22:49.220 i wrote like barracuda hanging out at the bottom of the sand or whatever in the sea and then i

00:22:54.140 out an image and i turned to you and i and i stuffed my phone in your face because it looked

00:22:59.060 exactly what we saw i go look familiar yeah it was a great moment it was like our guy

00:23:03.480 it was just it was ecstasy and then i reached out to c bob because i felt like let's see you know

00:23:11.900 our listeners at our podcast um they're very interested in travel and i just feel like what

00:23:17.140 me and kate have to bring to the c bob world could open c bobs up to an entire realm and they very

00:23:22.780 that isn't already interested in it

00:23:25.220 and they were lovely

00:23:26.800 and they're not really looking to I don't think

00:23:29.040 put big dollars into it

00:23:30.220 they very sweetly were like no

00:23:31.740 okay let's go to break but when we come back

00:23:33.800 oh yeah oh we gotta go to break

00:23:36.180 and then we'll continue immediately where we were

00:23:37.680 okay

00:23:38.480 this is Ryder Strong

00:23:43.840 and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather

00:23:46.060 it was many

00:23:47.900 and many a year ago

00:23:49.560 in a kingdom by the sea

00:23:51.240 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:23:55.700 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:23:57.120 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:24:00.760 No, I am not your guru.

00:24:04.540 And back then, I lied to my parents.

00:24:07.140 I lied to police.

00:24:08.420 I lied to everybody.

00:24:09.420 There were years right where I could not say your name.

00:24:12.380 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California,

00:24:15.060 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:24:17.880 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:24:21.240 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:24:25.820 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.98

00:24:28.740 I'll teach you sons of **** to come around here and my wife. 0.98

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00:24:50.220 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year,

00:24:52.980 but it's his recent number one hit, Darling, that put Chase on the map

00:24:56.000 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:25:01.240 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:25:04.140 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:25:06.500 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:25:13.460 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:25:16.640 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the centre of their own stories.

00:25:23.400 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 0.96

00:25:30.420 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.99

00:25:32.960 I'm going to climb this.

00:25:35.700 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:25:37.460 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:25:41.560 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:25:44.020 Is badness hereditary?

00:25:46.080 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:25:48.180 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:25:51.020 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

00:25:53.940 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:25:55.680 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:25:58.700 I'm not too intimidated by her.

00:26:00.120 What are you talking about? 1.00

00:26:03.080 Listen to The Girlfriend Spotlight

00:26:04.880 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:26:07.420 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:26:15.540 all right we're back go on and we're back where you were jacqueline i think now

00:26:21.780 will you tell the story of me shopping oh oh and then yes there's two stories so

00:26:29.480 i know you pretty well and i'm used to dancing around managing the intricacies of your personality

00:26:40.320 as one does right like you know you always say i free you right you do and so i always feel like

00:26:46.260 you'll like put yourself in my hands to be freed on a given thing right yeah you love it so if i

00:26:51.540 indulge you and okay here's how we're gonna look at this here's what we're gonna do oh nothing

00:26:55.520 better like your wisdom is thrilled chanting and so i'm almost the first night we're in this room

00:27:02.860 we come back to the room and you well first i saw it at the airport with the phone oh yeah this kind

00:27:09.660 of frenzied where's my phone thing before you've even begun looking and then you're looking in a

00:27:14.860 capacity that's so deranged and filled with panic that you must be blind like you're blinded by a

00:27:21.360 panic and there's no chance you'll find anything and then it's right there and by the way 30 seconds

00:27:25.120 later i've never i've never lost a wallet keys a phone i've never lost anything crucial like that

00:27:29.740 but every time and only in the in the context of airports i become convinced it's gone well i i

00:27:35.840 also at the airport struggle first of all what the hell of the flimsy sort of shiny uh paper that

00:27:42.600 receipt like paper that then loud print a boarding pass on that's not a boarding pass folks

00:27:46.720 yeah a boarding pass should be card stock and card stock only right i mean this is a joke it's

00:27:51.740 either digital or card stock don't offer something in between yeah but curls and curls like a common

00:27:57.260 receipt curls like a scroll but how am i supposed to tell the difference between that and the receipt

00:28:03.460 yeah but i had prepared for this because i'm tired of the exhaustion of the add where i put it in my

00:28:08.560 pocket and go where is it i love having the digital boarding pass it makes me feel so accomplished and

00:28:13.380 like yeah like here it is in my wallet yeah i'm like save it to the wallet i don't appreciate how

00:28:17.880 it keeps the old ones like ready to go i know get those out it's not get those out there's no

00:28:24.100 nostalgia attached over yes yeah a digital boarding pass offers nothing it's not a wallet

00:28:31.720 And sometimes it pops up humiliatingly.

00:28:33.720 Of course.

00:28:34.040 So I was very proud because I, like, as people know,

00:28:37.940 lost days trying to create a system that would hold my phone,

00:28:41.340 my passport, my wallet, and sunglasses, I think,

00:28:45.520 in one thing wrapped around me.

00:28:47.440 You come to the room, where's my bag?

00:28:49.100 Okay, where's my bag?

00:28:51.120 The where's my bag person you think of as being the sort of really organized one.

00:28:55.100 Well, my one bag is resting on the luggage trolley.

00:28:57.760 You are not that person, which I actually kind of find comforting and cozy.

00:29:01.020 you're like oh the thong the wet thong bathing suit is curled in on itself yeah yeah you know

00:29:06.580 it curls yeah yeah it winds around it winds it's like i go to take a shower and there's one of

00:29:12.060 those sopping wet hanging from the handle okay i meant to discuss this and we didn't talk about

00:29:16.700 it i'm like oh let's see what the the conditioner is you know like the hotel conditioner covered in

00:29:22.060 hair oh no wound around it you know what i mean i'm so sorry i would be terrible no it's hysterical

00:29:29.560 but it's like it's like how i would be alone i i don't know why i'm genuinely sort of comforted

00:29:34.020 by that i have another friend like that like i'm really comforted by walking into her bathroom

00:29:37.680 the thong the underwear is just completely in that coil on itself just dropped on the floor

00:29:44.340 dead center where she stepped out of it and like that's how i live but i feel the need to pull it

00:29:49.780 back almost around others and then it's sort of comforting i mean as one should and i can't

00:29:54.460 believe the hair on the conditioner bottle that is just well well i didn't i didn't bring it up

00:29:59.480 the time because i was like there's no way this isn't going to sound like me trying to be like

00:30:03.180 i find this humorous no of course and explain it it just sounds like a complaint that i'm hoping

00:30:07.560 for you to correct for the next day or something like that that wasn't my goal so i was like it

00:30:11.240 can wait i mean annie defranco said i miss you seeing your hair in my sink or whatever it is

00:30:15.700 there's intimacy but but you're not that person and so i'm like all right let's just take a minute

00:30:20.660 before jumping to which you jumped to that you left it in the car from the airport yeah yeah

00:30:28.920 you're running around and i keep trying to be like kate literally that term i mean that tone

00:30:37.880 right yeah i'm like kate kate can we just and it was actually kind of interesting parental because

00:30:42.980 i felt my power not working yeah it was almost like i was blind i really felt it i was like kate

00:30:50.580 kate listen to me the way in which you're panicking right now is not serving the task

00:30:54.480 and i was sure it's in here sure it was gone sure and i mean i couldn't even break through

00:31:02.260 it was like you had crossed over and i started to realize the only solution was going to be for

00:31:06.600 me to find it and i'm like all right it's a black bag and i'm walking i'm looping the room

00:31:12.060 and in my mind i'm imagining okay what's in there what's really gone i'm sad i think you left the

00:31:16.760 room i left the room it's like you're searching in a bush outside the room you know what i mean

00:31:20.360 You're like headed back to the airport or whatever.

00:31:22.580 And I step outside of you to observe and I think. 0.99

00:31:25.460 And I glance over and I see the fucking back. 0.98

00:31:29.420 It's right in the room, five feet from the bed, leaning against the window. 0.99

00:31:33.900 And it has been obscured only partially.

00:31:36.780 Partially.

00:31:38.240 Okay, it's still clearly visible along with your sneakers.

00:31:41.520 It has been obscured by me pulling the blinds.

00:31:44.140 Or, excuse me, us pulling the blinds.

00:31:45.720 I do not want to imply that I hit it.

00:31:47.360 Yeah, the curtains.

00:31:48.560 Yeah.

00:31:48.760 and your shock and delight it was just sensational i i don't know why it was so pleasurable and the

00:31:54.580 relief because i was sure it was gone and i had sort of done this soothing my i was trying to be

00:31:58.640 like you know what i'm an adult like it's gone and i was imagining i was like of course a passport

00:32:03.260 there's like the logistical things i had just treated myself to some fancy headphones i had

00:32:07.780 my notebook in there well that's devastating it's not that full i was like reckoning with it just

00:32:12.520 let it go they're objects and my phone oh no you're doing the seven phases of grief before

00:32:17.280 death has been claimed by the doctor yeah yeah similarly remember my phone my texts weren't

00:32:21.920 working and there was a moment where all my texts were gone they were just gone remember and i also

00:32:26.960 did that where i was like yes you know what i'm glad all my texts are gone i'm glad they're gone

00:32:30.340 yeah i made and then you convinced me you were like yeah like you don't need those i was like

00:32:34.440 yeah i'm gonna go back i'm gonna start i do think like those archives are only hell like do you ever

00:32:41.660 accidentally come across an email from like 11 years ago and because you've done a search term 0.97

00:32:47.460 looking for something else yeah and then you see what an idiot you were oh 2011 you're like oh and 0.97

00:32:52.680 you and like a couple words catch your eye oh my god and then you're like do i click no god to see 1.00

00:32:58.860 this self in the past and to see it communicating with others that's who cares like your diary oh

00:33:05.020 it's embarrassing your diary rereading the things i thought who cares read an email folks catching

00:33:10.960 yourself in dialogue that's true it's really it's hell oh and the fact that you can't delete

00:33:17.840 everything you ever sent on everyone else's device as well is there permanently dreaming

00:33:24.020 i was imagining wouldn't be great if and this was stimulated by me watching inventing anna and it

00:33:31.620 saying google never forgets it led to me going wouldn't it be kind and wonderful if the whole 0.95

00:33:36.840 world decided we're gonna shut that shit down okay the internet erase it all okay start fresh 0.96

00:33:43.220 new internet we all learned everyone had enough time okay 25 years or whatever no it's smart 0.99

00:33:49.700 to figure out a universal bankruptcy where we go okay we didn't we knew the internet was forever

00:33:56.820 but we we didn't at the same time you couldn't grasp it how could we have we get one shot to

00:34:02.780 start fresh and value our privacy can you imagine it's inhumane that we can't just reset it yeah

00:34:12.040 public existence is unnatural true ephemera when you're not there you should disappear about out

00:34:16.840 of you right yeah like when you roam off into the woods there should be no you for someone to

00:34:23.760 observe i don't know they live on did i tell you me oh yeah i showed you i made a pina colada at

00:34:29.940 home keto walk me through walk me through it yeah well it's the classic it's the bring the hotel

00:34:38.500 home and i got coconut cream yeah like from the cans unsweetened yeah and it's a bond i have some

00:34:49.660 kind of allulose blend which i forget what it comes from that powdered like a powdered sugar

00:34:55.360 i unfortunately only had granulated but these granules were so small that when i opened them

00:35:00.660 i go huh it's practically powdered yeah okay so i was a little worried because i was supposed to

00:35:04.680 make a simple syrup out of it and i was like yeah it'll melt in there i was just in no mood to

00:35:09.520 make a simple syrup no and have it cool as you know cooling is unacceptable so coconut cream

00:35:15.980 thing i i got two kinds of rum a dark rum and a light rum and pineapple frozen organic

00:35:26.060 threw it in the blender baby there i go now the only ingredient i didn't have

00:35:30.880 that people were saying on the thing was to kick it up a notch with a little pineapple extract as

00:35:35.820 well okay well i'll bring that over for next time i ordered it it's here oh my god okay it's here

00:35:43.540 for the next time i while i drank my my one pina colada i was ordering the extract so talk to me

00:35:49.260 about it i started looking up it was humiliating pina colada glass like i want the right one or

00:35:54.220 whatever yeah what does that mean discover the term is hurricane hurricane glass oh yeah that

00:35:59.500 hourglass kind of thing yeah yeah i go deeper because i start to go what's the best what would

00:36:05.420 be the best thing to drink a pina colada out of i start poking around on ebay i'm like no it needs

00:36:09.380 to be like a vintage very like interesting pina colada glass whatever i do it in a huge red wine

00:36:14.380 glass that my sister got me that'll do got me some red wine glasses oh it'll do and just dump it in

00:36:20.340 it's thick i'm having to hit the back of the blender you know it's could i lighten it up maybe

00:36:25.080 i kind of want a spoon i did you do a floater like a little rum floater like they do i sure did

00:36:30.220 for the visual i think i sent you a pic but the floater was already sort of mixed in so you

00:36:34.920 couldn't see it i really do want a maraschino in there to kick it up isn't it unfortunate what

00:36:40.000 happened to maraschino what happened they've just they've been stamped carcinogen oh right right

00:36:46.580 right i remember that many things have been i guess i don't know if it's the red red number

00:36:51.840 to die the way it's preserved yeah but wait talk to me about the pina like how was it it was

00:36:58.260 absolutely goddamn delicious oh god i love hearing that and immediately i'm relaxing but promise me

00:37:04.540 that i'll come over soon you'll make them yes wow i'll make keto pina i know i want a maraschino 0.82

00:37:10.880 too maraschino you know what i do step it up luxardo luxardo cherry okay sublime yeah it's

00:37:19.500 the die okay so not three maraschino cherry i'm looking at not dyed you know what i mean

00:37:26.740 oh yeah what's what is it well the taste i mean i happen to love the taste of maraschino cherry

00:37:33.900 do you not no i do too i do as well oh but you know what i'm talking about the luxardo cherries

00:37:38.660 oh i'm looking at it right now the original maraschino cherries

00:37:42.580 by supermarket italy but are they and they don't have the red dye rich and meaty a deep red color

00:37:50.560 cherry sugar marasca cherry juice yeah no dye that's it that's the answer great

00:37:57.440 it's all we need

00:37:58.600 Luxardo

00:38:00.440 and then

00:38:03.140 let's talk for a minute about the single

00:38:05.980 maraschino cherry

00:38:06.800 because it's almost always a single

00:38:10.020 always

00:38:11.340 yeah

00:38:12.460 which is beautiful

00:38:15.400 which makes it special

00:38:17.380 but you want three

00:38:18.180 you know what you might kind of drink when I wanted to be cool

00:38:22.080 living in New York City

00:38:24.540 I'd go to Glenlivet on the rocks

00:38:26.240 and I'd ask for three cherries in there.

00:38:29.600 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:38:30.460 Just to Fem it up?

00:38:31.880 Yeah, so I'd be like, yeah, I said the boys team.

00:38:34.460 I can't believe you just said Fem it up.

00:38:37.040 What is a Glenlivet?

00:38:38.440 It's a kind of scotch.

00:38:41.100 It's a brand of scotch.

00:38:42.640 Oh, right.

00:38:43.280 That's what it is.

00:38:44.080 Got it.

00:38:44.520 When you said that, I was hearing Gimlet.

00:38:46.660 Right, it's a kind of scotch.

00:38:47.880 No, just Glenlivet on the rocks with some cherries.

00:38:52.060 God, the word cherry is really nice also.

00:38:54.140 It's one of the best words, yeah.

00:38:55.700 cherry cherry cherry and and just cherry don't you feel like when you go cherry because it's

00:39:02.220 hard to not cherry the word goes around the cherry do you feel that it's like yeah word

00:39:07.340 is round you're right it is a round word cherry cherry why aren't people naming themselves or

00:39:18.500 their kids cherry more it's like cherry jones and then what we just finished when it's absolutely

00:39:25.060 beautiful oh who knows it'd be nice to name herself i don't know what would be a long name

00:39:30.380 that shortens the cherry like for options like chairadonna or something you know what i mean

00:39:35.440 or like chairadonna is not bad it's great now i'm just fixated on how cherry is around the word

00:39:43.280 no i i am too cherry and it even for me it has the dip for where the stem comes in it's just like

00:39:49.900 It's chair.

00:39:50.880 And then it's cherry.

00:39:52.040 Yeah.

00:39:52.860 Go to break and come back?

00:39:54.760 Yeah.

00:39:55.820 All right.

00:39:56.360 Love you.

00:39:57.220 Okay, love you.

00:39:57.980 See you in one second.

00:39:58.700 Okay, see you soon.

00:40:02.480 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:40:06.540 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:40:11.720 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:40:15.620 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:40:16.820 It was nature and trees and praying.

00:40:19.460 and drugs no i am not your guru and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to

00:40:28.700 everybody there were years right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back to my

00:40:33.340 hometown in northern california interview my friends family talk to police journalists whomever

00:40:38.000 i can to try to find out what actually happened isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over

00:40:43.240 hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend they have had this case for 30 years 1.00

00:40:48.440 I'll teach you sons of bitches to come around here and my wife. 1.00

00:40:51.620 Boom, boom. 1.00

00:40:52.940 This is The Red Weather.

00:40:55.920 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:41:02.820 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with the coolest cat in country music.

00:41:06.740 He is edgy, he's fun, he is Chase Matthews.

00:41:10.080 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year,

00:41:12.820 but it's his recent number one hit, Darling, that put Chase on the map

00:41:15.840 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:41:21.100 That's why I'm scared to get married. You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:41:24.000 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:41:26.720 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:41:33.340 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:41:36.800 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories.

00:41:43.260 I'm back with more one-off interviews 0.97

00:41:45.380 with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 1.00

00:41:50.300 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.97

00:41:52.820 I'm going to climb this.

00:41:55.160 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:41:57.300 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:42:01.420 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:42:03.880 Is badness hereditary?

00:42:05.920 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:42:07.720 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:42:10.660 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night you'll even get to meet my mum in that one

00:42:15.420 who i can always count on to keep my feet on the ground i'm not too intimidated by her what are

00:42:20.140 you talking about listen to the girlfriend spotlight on the iheart radio app apple

00:42:26.560 podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts

00:42:29.320 words are only growing more and more synesthetic for me as the years pass really

00:42:42.460 yeah i have any i was sitting around thinking about the word excursion today and then i was

00:42:49.600 thinking is x course a word like discurse discursive right discursive is a favorite word

00:42:56.260 of mine right so if you have discursive which is discourse right it's discourse it's discursive

00:43:02.580 and then you have excursion is there excourse you know what i'm saying i don't know sometimes

00:43:09.080 i go in these pathways of like what can i say they please me i have a question about sleeping

00:43:14.380 and lights do you prefer do you have blackout curtains like no um well you know what from

00:43:21.100 goddamn dusk on we're doing candles here and by and excuse me i mean battery operated flickering

00:43:28.100 plastic candles love those okay i i i i have 20 now my mother turned me on to those they're 0.98

00:43:34.680 they're incredible they're beautiful and you can go to sleep you don't have to worry you can have

00:43:39.260 your house aglow a house aglow glowing i will not suffer harsh light i will not do it to myself

00:43:45.860 anymore so yeah i'm kind of like roaming around in darkness now of course the tv is where i

00:43:51.760 end the day it's funny it's like you need community and i think it's because you're

00:43:57.340 not watching enough television i'm like where are your vices i've been watching listen all

00:44:01.360 through covid i was really watching watching apps i mean i nearly finished sex in the city

00:44:06.320 right right no absolutely i just um savoring the end it's such a container for my spirit at night

00:44:14.920 between the day and the dreamland to be in the middle ground and and that's why like to be in

00:44:21.760 a middle ground of of a screen before the screen yeah the screen being the second screen being

00:44:28.680 the dreams i guess your mind asleep yeah your dreams yeah the ether it's a bridge it's a bridge

00:44:33.660 of imagery into the land of images i'm fixated on your keto pina colada i want one now and you know

00:44:41.680 I even hesitate to call it that.

00:44:44.020 I mean, I'd call it that to a keto person, of course.

00:44:46.640 The romance of food to have these words like low carb.

00:44:49.880 Because what makes that keto essentially is that there isn't, you're not using conventional refined sugar.

00:44:57.200 Like what else is it?

00:44:57.980 And nothing that's spiking the blood sugar.

00:45:00.540 Organic maple syrup wouldn't work in the keto world.

00:45:03.120 It's still spiking the blood sugar.

00:45:05.120 So it's just that it's, there's now the only thing you're going to watch out for is the pineapple.

00:45:09.100 okay if you use too much oh then you got those fruit sugars i want it i have a friend coming by

00:45:15.640 and um i can't remember if she likes coconut or not but i'm thinking about 0.86

00:45:19.460 making her one tonight oh god damn i'm afraid she hates coconut but a pina colada

00:45:26.360 when i was a kid i used to dream of strawberry daiquiris they seemed like 0.96

00:45:30.520 just the greatest thing in the world yeah a virgin strawberry daiquiri and i almost saw

00:45:36.100 pina coladas like weirdos like adults and they're how did you feel about shirley temple did you

00:45:41.400 order them a couple times there was that like thing of oh we're out to dinner like a shirley

00:45:47.160 temple for the kid huge part of my childhood exciting okay yeah so it's exciting to have a

00:45:51.700 title yeah like a cocktail title name yeah it had a name yeah shirley temple feels great that means

00:45:58.880 a lot it was i mean it was really key for me having a shirley temple only child out of my

00:46:07.880 parents single maraschino yeah at least one i feel like sometimes i throw a couple in there

00:46:13.940 my skin is dry really mine is uh completely oiled as you'll see i know you're slick did you watch me

00:46:22.360 put aloe vera jelly lily of the desert into my hair no beginning of the call no there was no

00:46:27.400 time for anything i came straight from the shower and so i just i just squeezed a little into the

00:46:32.120 ends what's that well i know you like me independently we once many years ago both

00:46:37.400 made gel out of flax seeds oh that's right like we must have read the same curly hair

00:46:42.600 flax seeds with water is that what it is yeah you boil it and then the it this jelly kind of

00:46:49.620 like comes out of it and then you strain it and then that's the gel and it feels like for something

00:46:56.060 to be this hard to make it must work that much better yeah people keep like dropping messages

00:47:01.140 begging us for our quote curl routines what an honor and i'm like well if you listen to all the

00:47:07.040 episodes it gets covered frankly well there just isn't one i mean i actually keep threatening i

00:47:14.720 want the dyson hair dryer i'm gonna do it gonna beg you're gonna buy oh well i have begged so i

00:47:21.040 guess now i have to buy my instagram feed is filled with these people and their curly hair

00:47:26.220 so i'm like i am growing tired of the aesthetic of someone scrunching the product in their hair

00:47:31.700 and the hand whips across the screen and they like the boom they're all done the cut yeah the

00:47:37.900 the quick cut like magic that the everyman now can do yeah in uh in video god like that will

00:47:46.820 that will have the stench of a given time oh that will age that will age that will be like

00:47:52.460 the what's also so embarrassing is in doing that that's what film provides right that's what right

00:48:00.280 taking a photograph provides is like the absence of actual elapsed time you can fake it so with a 0.93

00:48:07.560 stupid grin people are so excited to be like and look it feels like the very beginning of 0.85

00:48:13.360 photography or something yes yes like those early the frame rate where they look like they're moving 0.99

00:48:20.500 really fast yeah i mean i don't know if we talked about on pook but that there's like

00:48:26.020 the recolorized world war one oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah that looks fun it's incredible it's

00:48:34.040 colorized it still looks old it's not like it looks like it's shot today but the color really

00:48:40.740 does do something that sounds like a thrill it's a fucking thrill it's it's um stunning 0.88

00:48:46.620 there's something in us that makes it hard to believe that world war one occurred in color 0.94

00:48:52.460 this vibrant okay like the very same color with which you look around right such a good point

00:48:57.620 couldn't possibly have been muted tones i know a film or i mean black and white of course yeah

00:49:03.420 the full richness of color that we have now it's impossible to imagine like thinking about mary

00:49:08.980 shelly's world yeah like what in fact colors were maybe even brighter no some of them fruit must

00:49:19.080 have been brighter some of them i think like food was more vibrant smog yeah maybe

00:49:24.200 the the simple fact we can't talk to the past or the future blows except through literature or 0.97

00:49:33.100 whatever except for the written word or left behind art is fucking crazy they're gonna they're 0.61

00:49:38.740 working on that yeah are they i think they're working on it and we could see some changes 0.90

00:49:45.600 i mean there's a couple ways to go i read this book the yoga of time travel i think it was called

00:49:52.720 by dr fred allen wolf dr quantum fabulous he's the guy in the secret or who's like this isn't

00:49:59.560 imaginary craziness you know he's a quantum theorist whatever but time travel machine or

00:50:06.580 meditate for nine hours a day and learn to leave your body right why would the mechanical approach

00:50:12.560 get us there faster it wouldn't yeah it's a very no absolutely i don't know people want the the

00:50:21.620 they don't just want the end result they want it a certain way right they want it to be physically

00:50:27.420 yeah yeah he wants a machine that he built that can take his body there yeah he he might not be

00:50:35.880 satisfied the powers of the mind by meditating and journeying into the past i don't know it's 0.97

00:50:40.700 just kind of interesting we all want our shit the way we want it i want wisdom we can see 0.93

00:50:45.180 and unfortunately the real wisdom often is what we can't see that which is 0.96

00:50:50.880 actually i got nothing all i got was that which is that which is is great though i think we got

00:50:56.600 to wrap up yeah it was an honor to look at a barracuda with you and yes i just want to say

00:51:05.540 i did reach out to see bob and i had an idea of us i had a concept a pitch but i don't think

00:51:10.580 they're going to be able to do it but there are any kind of flush water sports companies

00:51:15.640 looking to partner we're interested yeah we want to get back and see water sports okay a lot of

00:51:26.240 people go oh we didn't know poo was about water sports well it is okay great i'm gonna go eat 0.85

00:51:33.480 something me too what are you gonna eat i'm gonna sip a pina colada while i order tacos fuck okay 0.69

00:51:40.280 promise we'll recreate it promise yes okay good yes we can recreate it all okay great i'm only 0.74

00:51:48.320 my game is only upping so it'll be better by the time you're gonna get a taco salad well

00:51:53.040 my friend's coming over so i kind of don't want to be like performatively eating a taco salad while

00:51:59.740 like encouraging her to get tacos so i'm not really sure i think i'm gonna order taco do i

00:52:03.300 I want to be scooping them onto my low-carb tortillas on the side.

00:52:06.440 Hard to say.

00:52:07.000 She's a close friend, so actually I probably could.

00:52:08.560 Be so free.

00:52:08.960 Yeah.

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