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00:02:35.440 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:36.900 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:38.000 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

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00:02:49.920 Today's topic, loosely speaking, Nibman.

00:02:53.020 You know, we abandoned the listener on New Year's,

00:03:01.740 and I think that's exactly the message we want to send, okay?

00:03:05.580 In more than a few ways.

00:03:06.920 There's times when you've got to turn away.

00:03:08.420 You've got to face the New Year yourself alone.

00:03:12.000 I mean, yeah.

00:03:13.700 I mean, a huge thing for me.

00:03:15.360 What are your resolutions?

00:03:16.620 None, okay?

00:03:17.900 Love that.

00:03:18.580 Yeah, of course.

00:03:19.180 And for everyone.

00:03:20.120 because i continue to go why do i resist it and it's because i will not be part of this 0.92

00:03:25.720 fucking cyclical charade of course which seems completely set up to sort of 0.96

00:03:33.200 uphold the status quo of like of like the yearly cycle of join the gym and then like we all fall 0.99

00:03:40.500 off by the holidays isn't that just the way it is how dare you to get going again no you you can't

00:03:47.660 You can't.

00:03:48.540 I'm just banging down the door of Planet Fitness with the crowds.

00:03:51.600 I won't do it.

00:03:52.240 I mean, there is something to be said for, as we talked about this on POOG, you know,

00:03:55.940 we're so broken from ritual in this culture.

00:03:59.220 So there is something to be said for like, oh, everyone's kind of getting it together,

00:04:02.680 getting there, you know, thinking about what they want to do.

00:04:04.760 And we're going to talk about that.

00:04:06.460 I don't know.

00:04:06.600 I actually, in a shocking, this was my first New Year's Eve spent completely alone in pajamas.

00:04:13.340 I had two shows to be clear.

00:04:14.900 So I was, you know, fulfilled in that way.

00:04:17.660 Um, and I found myself at 1115, taking my pants off at my home going, huh, this is interesting.

00:04:28.780 Right.

00:04:29.780 Instantly, of course, the archetype of the, the crow and the hag came into focus me alone

00:04:36.200 in this apartment. 0.57

00:04:37.780 I was fine.

00:04:39.560 Or I just mean, I FaceTimed my mother and then I FaceTimed my friend.

00:04:44.420 Very spinster.

00:04:45.480 I love that. 1.00

00:04:46.060 Oh my God. A gay guy, no less. FaceTime to gay. FaceTime to gay. FaceTime to mother and a gay guy. 0.98

00:04:52.520 Yeah. And he was watching the ball drop in Times Square. And so he turned the FaceTime around.

00:04:58.540 So I watched. You mean he was there? He was in the street? No, no, on his TV. Oh, okay.

00:05:01.640 He had COVID and was home. Which feed? So he was like. Which feed? I don't know. But I was

00:05:06.600 watching a hyper degraded feed of the ball dropping through his FaceTime on it. And it was

00:05:12.920 super pixelated and it was one of the funniest things that's ever happened watching that watching

00:05:18.820 molly cyrus molly cyrus watching molly cyrus um have the ball drop and i watched some fleischmann 0.73

00:05:28.380 is in trouble and i fucking hit the light switch i went to bed i have a couple things to say 0.87

00:05:34.080 okay so one let's talk about the ball drop yeah please now to me it always feels like 0.94

00:05:43.600 you know from life on the east coast and living in new york that that's where the new year begins

00:05:50.800 in america at the very least okay okay new york city is new year's right and you know that's kind

00:05:59.380 of like whatever 9 p.m in california i'm like it's happening yeah okay two i remember as a kid

00:06:07.440 uh truly forgetting every year and then re-remembering that the ball doesn't drop

00:06:13.540 from some high up in you know skyscraper down to the ground in my mind that's what it did

00:06:19.160 yeah fall like 20 years instead it is a mere 20 feet up in the air suspended and it's digital now

00:06:25.200 window 30 to window 25 what what's leds oh honey honey i think it's i mean i watched it to be

00:06:32.800 clear is it physical you say digital you mean not a bulb is the ball there or is it better be

00:06:39.060 you're joking you you're not suggesting it's a hologram i'm worse i don't take that i'm

00:06:46.120 suggesting that it's a okay what i saw did not look in any way like this was a practical sphere

00:06:52.900 that have been built, constructed, and hoisted, and dropped. 0.99

00:06:56.520 What I saw looked like a fucking shit 2004, circa 2004, digital image of a ball. 1.00

00:07:07.120 Okay. 1.00

00:07:07.500 Well, that is completely...

00:07:09.280 If that's true, and no one has been talking about it,

00:07:12.880 okay, I'll be surprised.

00:07:14.220 Is it true?

00:07:14.640 I'm looking at ball drop.

00:07:15.200 I'm shocked because...

00:07:17.980 I mean...

00:07:19.100 Is it a ball?

00:07:20.120 What is digital, technically?

00:07:21.600 zeros and ones right I mean technically so I just when you say digital I know that it's not Edison

00:07:28.040 bulbs you know festooning an orb okay hang on I think it's I think it's led which I'm not a fan

00:07:36.680 of as we know from talking about Christmas life which you didn't watch news there is no ball

00:07:41.940 are you ready are you absolutely ready for this hold on I'm currently looking so this is what I

00:07:49.940 somehow couldn't see on the on the facetime there isn't a digital there isn't even this is i'm sorry

00:07:57.820 i can hardly get the words out i'm so shocked no i'm i'm stunned into almost silence i need everyone

00:08:03.100 right now to go look this up there is no ball there is no image of a ball this cannot be i'm

00:08:11.360 sending you the video right now what there is is picture if you will a screen you know like the

00:08:15.960 carnival where it's like the you hit the mallet on the thing to prove how strong you are and it

00:08:20.520 goes ding to the top yes so just that gradient of like the thing going up and down uh-huh like a 0.94

00:08:26.920 thermometer or something yeah that's all there's no fucking ball okay what i'm looking at is the 0.94

00:08:33.880 most pathetic no all right i gotta look it up i mean i hold on there's no ball what it's digital 0.98

00:08:41.260 water and like 0.97

00:08:42.860 lasers filling up

00:08:45.340 this thing.

00:08:47.320 I'm looking at five, four,

00:08:49.620 three, two,

00:08:51.340 one. Yeah, there's

00:08:53.280 no ball. This is

00:08:54.660 right. Hold on. Hold on.

00:08:57.060 Wait, Kate.

00:08:58.680 What? Is it possible you

00:09:01.120 are wildly wrong?

00:09:03.060 By the way, yes. I would love to be

00:09:05.180 the first thing. Are you

00:09:07.140 ready? Are you ready? The first thing

00:09:08.980 I read. The ball is a

00:09:11.060 geodesic sphere 12 feet in diameter and weighs 11,875 pounds.

00:09:15.820 Okay. So this is a thrill. Show me the ball then.

00:09:18.380 Hold on. Okay.

00:09:19.460 Wait, the ball is covered with a total of 2,688 Waterford Crystal Triangles.

00:09:24.720 Okay. This is wonderful.

00:09:25.960 Variant size. Okay. Thank God.

00:09:28.380 Well, guess what? Where is it? Where is the ball?

00:09:31.240 I am on Times Square New Year's Eve.com.

00:09:35.820 Please look up the video I sent you. NYC.

00:09:38.540 All right. I don't see a video. Nothing came through.

00:09:40.700 Look in the Riverside chat.

00:09:42.580 Oh, wow, Kate.

00:09:44.400 Using the Riverside chat.

00:09:46.760 I'm shocked.

00:09:48.000 I'm shocked.

00:09:48.740 Yeah.

00:09:49.440 Okay, wait.

00:09:50.340 I've never been there.

00:09:51.540 Let's see.

00:09:58.920 Wait.

00:10:00.360 Kate.

00:10:01.280 Yeah?

00:10:02.200 All right.

00:10:02.540 I have huge news.

00:10:03.560 So I thought you were about to send me a video of what's the New York Times ball made of, okay?

00:10:09.380 and you were going to like,

00:10:11.100 and it was like,

00:10:11.880 you know,

00:10:12.140 this,

00:10:12.440 can you believe it?

00:10:13.120 Here's how they actually do it.

00:10:14.380 It's a image on a screen.

00:10:16.180 Instead,

00:10:16.680 what I just received from you,

00:10:19.700 like on someone's phone,

00:10:21.360 just in New York,

00:10:22.160 in Times Square.

00:10:23.740 Okay.

00:10:23.900 The ball takes up

00:10:25.060 one fiftieth of the YouTube screen.

00:10:28.060 And that's what you were

00:10:29.420 panicked about.

00:10:30.220 Like,

00:10:30.400 what are you looking at in this video

00:10:31.740 is what I'm wondering.

00:10:32.280 Wait,

00:10:32.480 where's the ball?

00:10:33.940 Because...

00:10:34.420 Oh my God.

00:10:35.740 Oh my God.

00:10:36.520 Oh my God.

00:10:37.240 Wait,

00:10:37.480 do you mean to tell me?

00:10:38.520 Oh my God.

00:10:39.080 wait okay what i'm looking at wait i have a feeling okay i had a feeling when i looked at it

00:10:46.340 oh no wait okay are you looking at the carnival toy spectrum you see that it's small i'm gonna

00:10:55.100 look for a ball now it's above the clock i still don't see the ball it's tiny and it's above the

00:11:01.400 clock but it's not that tiny but it's you know okay i'm gonna do you have any video that you

00:11:06.900 sent me the video that i sent you see i was looking at the thermometer thing below

00:11:11.040 which does that thermometer looking thing that vertical rectangle of the series of lines have

00:11:17.380 anything to do with anything that's what i thought they were simulating as the ball dropping

00:11:21.100 okay hold on hang on i've located the ball i've located the ball still not convinced it dropped

00:11:27.280 what i saw for a second for a second i saw a glowing sphere okay do you can all right

00:11:33.280 does this translate to radio i don't know i don't know if this argument yes yes this is

00:11:39.600 fantastic radio okay so i i wish we had auto or like you know easy replay here where we could go

00:11:47.560 back to the moments where you alerted the world there's no ball and you were speaking as you're

00:11:52.560 reading a wikipedia page i still stand by that essentially i mean okay but keep going well if

00:11:57.760 we're talking essentially spiritually emotionally okay what i'm saying there is a ball made of 0.68

00:12:02.500 waterford crystal would you like to would you like to see it yes i would it's gonna fuck up

00:12:07.980 my audio again but let me just give you the info okay yeah just give it to me straight

00:12:13.660 all right you ready for it okay yes um for time square 2023 because i was like terrified what if

00:12:20.700 it's this old information 192 waterford crystal triangles introduced the new quote gift of love

00:12:26.960 design what the fuck okay overlapping hearts okay um gift of goodwill a gush of harmony

00:12:33.540 gift of serenity okay i'm looking for hard facts the 2688 waterford crystals are bolted to 672 led 0.99

00:12:41.640 modules i knew it was led these little freaks which were attached to the aluminum frame of the

00:12:49.200 ball so it's illuminated by i see the ball i'm not convinced all right hold on

00:12:54.360 let me get some video of the ball i'm looking at high def footage the same heinous video you

00:13:02.620 showed me a few minutes ago oh i'm it's it's a front-facing i can't if if that ball is not

00:13:08.240 visual here on this video then who is seeing that ball are we talking okay if we're gonna get

00:13:14.760 if you and me have just been hired by the team at private investigators okay by macy's or whatever

00:13:21.900 okay if we've been hired to improve the experience and make this an important ritual for america

00:13:28.900 that's one conversation and i will spend 25 good minutes on it with you and i'd actually like to

00:13:33.480 no i've actually i've i've gone beyond that this isn't even about heightening some spiritual

00:13:37.980 connective tissue in america this is about an objective visual reality no but are we talking

00:13:43.880 about are you actually questioning if there's a three-dimensional object still and that's i want

00:13:48.040 I need to see a photo and I need to see video evidence of the ball.

00:13:53.460 Every time that I go to search for a video, my computer destroys my audio scenario.

00:13:58.940 Okay, I'm going to look right now.

00:13:59.980 Okay, here we go.

00:14:00.620 I'll take it in my own head.

00:14:01.620 2023 ball drop.

00:14:03.620 I'm ham...

00:14:04.700 What's it?

00:14:05.320 Here's another video.

00:14:07.040 Let's see if the...

00:14:08.160 I'm doing it on my phone.

00:14:09.220 I don't trust your searching capabilities.

00:14:11.480 Okay?

00:14:12.640 Hang on.

00:14:13.020 Time Square.

00:14:14.180 this footage

00:14:16.200 conveniently doesn't show the ball drop

00:14:18.620 this is news 19

00:14:20.800 WLTX

00:14:22.200 I don't see a ball on their footage

00:14:24.920 either

00:14:25.540 hold on

00:14:28.000 okay I'm starting to see

00:14:30.960 a ball 0.99

00:14:31.340 there she is boys

00:14:33.960 I see a

00:14:36.960 ball here

00:14:37.440 it looks like Epcot

00:14:40.740 I just want to confirm that it never drops but that's fine

00:14:43.120 because it'd be crazy

00:14:44.440 to destroy that

00:14:45.220 I guess

00:14:45.580 the 14,000 million crystals

00:14:47.640 but that is not

00:14:49.040 a ball dropping

00:14:49.780 oh my god Kate

00:14:50.160 wait

00:14:51.100 what

00:14:51.760 destroy that

00:14:52.840 wait wait wait

00:14:53.860 wait wait

00:14:54.460 wait I want to make sure

00:14:58.800 are you talking about

00:15:00.020 are you saying

00:15:01.480 that it doesn't drop

00:15:02.700 it doesn't drop

00:15:04.540 because of course

00:15:05.180 they're not going to drop it

00:15:06.000 because then it would be crushed

00:15:07.340 destroyed

00:15:08.180 and they can't do that every year

00:15:09.120 as I said it

00:15:09.720 I realized

00:15:10.440 that it was maybe

00:15:11.540 one of the most

00:15:12.400 childlike things I'd ever said that I actually thought was to drop the ball would mean to shatter

00:15:22.400 it. No, here's what I need to know. This is what I need to know. And I need historians on this.

00:15:29.280 Did the ball ever physically shatter? No way. And I'm devastated to say no. And you know what?

00:15:35.180 there it is once again hire us now okay they need to hire us now do you okay okay so I don't

00:15:44.720 want to destroy it every year I mean I can't have that okay so new question emerging new question

00:15:49.560 emerging is it the same ball as last year is it the same ball as last year that is it a ball they

00:15:56.020 made like eight years ago and they're like she's got another year in her okay so I'm not sure no

00:16:04.080 clue i've kind of my research isn't caught up okay from a few minutes back okay so i don't know

00:16:09.360 they did i was wildly trying to prove that there was something three-dimensional i see that there

00:16:13.740 is something three-dimensional all fact okay okay look at okay look finally i just found a physical

00:16:18.720 image of the ball okay so i see now there's a physical ball and it looks like it's it's able

00:16:23.860 to move up and down a pole it is yeah so and i understand that dropping the ball i guess

00:16:28.720 i shockingly thought that meant it would shatter but and i wish it would now is this california

00:16:39.020 childhood like a yeah the exotic like you got to new york too late to sort of have see the ball

00:16:45.540 actually drop and break this knowledge well no no i mean i've never been to times where for the ball

00:16:50.720 but wait i just want to take you back okay my initial confusion all i'll say is that i thought

00:16:57.060 because I think it's relevant.

00:16:58.340 I thought the ball dropped from skyscraper to the ground.

00:17:02.620 Now, I thought it was doing it along some kind of shaft.

00:17:05.120 Okay.

00:17:06.680 What I just saw is not a ball drop.

00:17:09.740 I almost thought there was gravity involved.

00:17:12.040 Yeah, it's vertical movement.

00:17:14.580 It's the slowest elevator in town.

00:17:17.580 It's a ball ship.

00:17:19.440 It shifts from one location gently to another.

00:17:23.060 It's a vertical ship.

00:17:23.500 And we're supposed to think that we are now imbued

00:17:25.620 with the power to change our lives.

00:17:27.220 And we are now supposed to think

00:17:28.740 that it's different now.

00:17:30.960 Right, right, right.

00:17:32.260 We're supposed to, yeah, no, no.

00:17:33.540 This is what I'm trying to say.

00:17:34.900 Okay, something dropping

00:17:35.840 from the top of a skyscraper.

00:17:37.080 Okay, this is my experience,

00:17:38.440 but it's not as extreme.

00:17:39.880 To the bottom.

00:17:40.480 That's at least something.

00:17:41.880 To the ground.

00:17:42.660 Okay, hit the ground.

00:17:43.420 Now I would tolerate, 1.00

00:17:44.520 she's got a year left in her. 1.00

00:17:45.580 We can't have her shatter.

00:17:46.460 I would tolerate that.

00:17:47.760 Here's my second level of toleration.

00:17:50.120 Okay, here's what I would take next.

00:17:51.520 Are you ready?

00:17:52.400 Let's involve gravity.

00:17:53.960 Let's recognize that we're on earth

00:17:55.340 and involve gravity.

00:17:56.140 Let's let it fall.

00:17:57.540 Okay.

00:17:58.020 Let's let it fall.

00:17:59.240 I mean, on a track,

00:18:00.140 but let it be a release

00:18:02.940 and then it falls down the track.

00:18:04.500 Not a controlled shift.

00:18:06.400 Not a...

00:18:07.480 Actually, I'd prefer a...

00:18:10.600 At least there's some romance

00:18:12.480 to kind of like...

00:18:13.820 To somebody turning a crank.

00:18:15.500 There she goes.

00:18:17.240 I would...

00:18:17.720 No, any evidence of the human hand

00:18:19.340 would be great.

00:18:20.060 Also, what about floor to ceiling, folks?

00:18:21.900 What about rise to God?

00:18:23.600 oh floor ceiling

00:18:26.180 by the way by the way

00:18:28.440 yes

00:18:29.840 have it be on the bottom

00:18:31.800 and when I say bottom I mean

00:18:33.300 the ground

00:18:34.820 in time square and then 10 9

00:18:37.820 8 and it goes up

00:18:39.280 and then it explodes at the top with color

00:18:41.120 this is way better this is huge

00:18:42.980 also you know what else is huge are you ready for this

00:18:44.780 are you ready for this okay

00:18:46.160 midnight

00:18:47.800 Jan 1 okay

00:18:49.980 it has it's explosion

00:18:52.940 and then slowly

00:18:54.900 over the course

00:18:55.540 of the year

00:18:56.140 it heads down

00:19:01.680 like a diminishing

00:19:03.660 sand timer

00:19:04.280 okay

00:19:04.700 smart

00:19:05.880 hourglass

00:19:06.500 whatever you say

00:19:06.880 okay

00:19:07.100 ding ding ding

00:19:07.900 you have a visual

00:19:09.360 reference

00:19:09.960 like we cruise

00:19:11.520 the sun

00:19:12.240 for the day

00:19:12.920 yeah

00:19:13.420 must be April

00:19:14.440 okay 0.90

00:19:14.920 look at where she is 1.00

00:19:15.820 half mass or whatever 1.00

00:19:16.940 then land 0.93

00:19:18.340 land she lands

00:19:19.720 okay

00:19:21.080 and then people

00:19:21.760 go to Times Square

00:19:22.640 so they can take a picture

00:19:23.600 in front of the ball. 1.00

00:19:25.020 That's on the fucking ground. 1.00

00:19:26.360 Ground zero. 1.00

00:19:26.820 I was going to say ground zero,

00:19:28.440 but they'd have to find it

00:19:30.420 fresh term, okay?

00:19:32.140 Yeah.

00:19:33.260 That's so much better.

00:19:34.980 Well, here's another way

00:19:36.040 where it slowly rises

00:19:37.220 over the course of the year, okay?

00:19:39.500 Oh, and then drops to the bottom.

00:19:40.780 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:19:40.880 And she drops to the bottom.

00:19:41.700 No, I like what you said.

00:19:43.620 I think it should go

00:19:44.320 from bottom to top.

00:19:45.700 10, 9, 8, and then...

00:19:46.840 And then it's at the top.

00:19:48.080 That is so much...

00:19:49.200 That's a better...

00:19:50.420 That's better.

00:19:52.400 I mean, for me, the problem is that it drops from, you know, the 35th story to the 30th story.

00:19:58.840 Okay.

00:19:59.640 It's this, let's watch, let's watch a vertical shift.

00:20:03.560 Okay.

00:20:04.020 Let's watch a sort of.

00:20:05.800 It slipped.

00:20:06.540 I wish it slipped.

00:20:07.660 Actually, you're right.

00:20:08.240 It didn't slip.

00:20:08.860 It crudely and with so much effort.

00:20:12.920 Yeah.

00:20:13.480 Effortfulness.

00:20:14.460 And again, there's no one.

00:20:15.500 There's no human.

00:20:16.600 There's no one there with a crank.

00:20:17.960 Soft landing.

00:20:18.860 And no elves.

00:20:19.620 No, no one.

00:20:21.620 No one.

00:20:22.140 No, I dare.

00:20:23.220 I dare Macy's.

00:20:26.160 Okay, I'm making it Macy's.

00:20:27.720 I don't always thought.

00:20:27.980 Hire us as ritualists?

00:20:29.860 Yeah.

00:20:30.300 Well, I dare them to hire us as ritualists.

00:20:32.840 And, well, you know what it really shows?

00:20:36.860 The willingness.

00:20:38.400 Okay, ceremony and ritual shall pop up around an uninspiring object. 0.99

00:20:44.160 I mean, welcome to, you know, that fucking stone. 0.99

00:20:49.160 What? 0.99

00:20:49.400 that slab

00:20:50.800 well you know

00:20:52.100 the beginning of

00:20:52.920 2001

00:20:53.800 you know

00:20:54.900 oh yeah

00:20:55.400 yeah

00:20:55.900 you know what I mean

00:20:56.620 don't get me started

00:20:57.240 yeah

00:20:57.520 okay so

00:20:57.960 don't get me started

00:21:00.640 we won't even go there

00:21:01.600 no but

00:21:02.620 oh right

00:21:03.020 I understand why

00:21:03.920 I mean

00:21:04.980 right

00:21:05.360 curation

00:21:06.280 whatever

00:21:06.720 so

00:21:07.340 don't get me started

00:21:08.340 on early man

00:21:08.940 their relationship to stone

00:21:10.000 okay

00:21:10.400 don't get me started

00:21:11.300 we're gonna be here

00:21:11.800 a long time

00:21:12.720 okay

00:21:13.100 don't get me started

00:21:14.980 you know I yearn to

00:21:16.020 you know I yearn to

00:21:16.400 don't get me started

00:21:17.060 on the earliest

00:21:17.760 symbolic objects

00:21:18.800 don't get me started yes i mean it's literally it's literally in the lineage lineage i heard

00:21:24.000 someone pronounce it lineage the other day i loved it so i heard a weird pronunciation the other day

00:21:27.900 what was it uh it's gone oh i've been hearing envelope envelope in favor of in no in favor of

00:21:36.000 like enveloping something envelope i was shocked wait you mean wait wait using a sentence what do

00:21:42.360 mean? Get ready. Okay. Her loving arms enveloped me. Sick. Sick and wrong. That's yeah. I mean,

00:21:50.920 clearly wrong, right? No one's ever done that, that I've ever, I've never experienced that.

00:21:54.420 It also doesn't make any sense in the way that, yeah, I heard this twice and, you know, I think

00:21:59.560 I'm being too kind. You know, I posed it and I heard an interesting thing the other day. No,

00:22:04.200 what I was, I heard and I was disgusted. Okay. That's all. I just, I thought I'd come clean.

00:22:10.200 I was disgusted. I would be disgusted

00:22:12.700 too. Enveloped. No.

00:22:15.140 No. What does it

00:22:16.740 remind me of? Oh, I heard debacle once.

00:22:19.300 What? As in debacle?

00:22:20.940 And they were famous. Bizarre.

00:22:22.580 Don't say who. Protect their identity. That's horrendous.

00:22:25.340 I would never. And they said it

00:22:26.740 in public too, so I'm not even that much of a bastard. 0.95

00:22:28.840 I would never shame someone. 0.91

00:22:30.440 Here's a hard right turn. I had sweet green for

00:22:32.720 lunch. Here's a hard right

00:22:34.780 turn. Okay, that's very interesting

00:22:36.900 because you sent me a

00:22:38.220 a photograph of yourself

00:22:41.420 at a restaurant

00:22:43.760 and I saw across the way

00:22:46.060 diagonally a sweet green

00:22:48.200 in view and I thought 0.99

00:22:49.520 good for Kate, she's eating in a restaurant

00:22:51.820 and there's a sweet green right there but you must have sat there

00:22:54.000 just going what do they got?

00:22:55.100 It's so interesting and this is how memory works

00:22:57.120 so I yesterday, yes, was roaming

00:22:59.940 starving, I want lunch

00:23:01.740 New York City, whatever

00:23:03.560 I ended up at a sidewalk cafe

00:23:05.920 having a overpriced

00:23:07.640 visually appealing.

00:23:08.860 I'll tell you,

00:23:09.340 you want to know if I remember what you got?

00:23:11.080 Yeah.

00:23:11.520 I see a kind of burrata mozzarella type thing.

00:23:14.160 I see a dark kind of like quinoa on the side.

00:23:17.860 I see maybe tomato and I see some kind of green.

00:23:20.300 And I'm trying to think,

00:23:21.060 was there a protein anywhere?

00:23:22.580 It was the Gemma salad.

00:23:24.580 Yes,

00:23:24.800 that was outdoor Gemma,

00:23:26.200 the restaurant attached to the Bowery hotel.

00:23:29.240 It was a panicked,

00:23:30.320 whatever.

00:23:31.200 The point is,

00:23:32.120 yeah.

00:23:33.840 Sorry,

00:23:34.460 lots of memory works.

00:23:35.660 A lot's coming up,

00:23:36.440 but listen,

00:23:36.840 I was sitting there at the table. They give you focaccia. I have some great focaccia with olive

00:23:41.260 oil. I'm sitting there. I clocked the sweet green too. And I went, oh, there's a sweet green

00:23:46.520 right there. Today I was getting a massage and I went, fuck, I'm hungry. What am I going to get? 0.99

00:23:52.760 I went, I saw a sweet green. Where did I see a sweet green? The exact thing that you're talking

00:23:57.340 about. I was like, where was I facing a sweet green? And I abandoned it. I didn't remember

00:24:02.000 until you just said, because I sent you the photo of the salad and the sweet green was in the...

00:24:06.120 Having a salad in the foreground and a sweet green in the background, a lot of tension between.

00:24:12.140 A lot to do there.

00:24:13.000 A lot happens between that salad and the sweet green, the exterior of the sweet green.

00:24:20.660 The logo.

00:24:21.300 The logo alone.

00:24:22.840 And Melissa Wood, my floga.

00:24:26.520 Oh no.

00:24:27.920 Is that what they've gone with?

00:24:30.200 No, I made it up because it's Pilates yoga, poga.

00:24:32.940 my poga instructor who by the way i was doing her religiously for about a month and a half 0.98

00:24:39.020 one day i was like i came home i took off my clothes i just like put my hands on my ass i was 0.94

00:24:43.020 like something's different in a good way i was like oh i haven't even felt like this is something's 0.95

00:24:47.860 happening all the planking and push-ups i started to get a lot of pain in my chest my pectoral

00:24:52.580 muscles i completely haven't gone back for a month over a month actually thoughts now when you say

00:24:57.980 you got, you mean pain in your chest or do you mean sore from workout?

00:25:02.200 Sore, but more than that, more like pain, like to the point where I was like, oh, I can't,

00:25:06.560 but I'm, but I'm going to go back to it. Best massage, my, my number one masseuse today.

00:25:12.680 Unbelievable. I've heard that, um, I've heard that you don't use the word masseuse. That's a

00:25:17.460 massage therapist term. Fuck. Why? Cause masseuse. Okay. It's like saying stewardess or something. 1.00

00:25:23.320 I think it's even got more of a sexual thing going on.

00:25:28.100 God. 0.95

00:25:28.940 Okay, massage therapist.

00:25:30.400 I mean, I didn't open the door and go, 1.00

00:25:31.840 hello, you masseuse.

00:25:33.500 You know, I was like, 0.95

00:25:34.960 but I have referenced her as a masseuse.

00:25:39.920 I think they are capable of hearing intention.

00:25:41.760 And she's a healer.

00:25:42.640 She's a body worker. 1.00

00:25:43.560 I thought there was a dude masseur.

00:25:46.060 That's my LA guy, honey.

00:25:47.140 I'm in New York City.

00:25:48.200 I got a girl here.

00:25:49.180 Oh, okay.

00:25:49.960 God, I haven't had a massage in two years. 1.00

00:25:52.220 You know what she said to me? 1.00

00:25:53.080 listen to this eight months and by the way by the way i want to say some sweet hags came to my show 1.00

00:25:57.420 gave me a list of body work recommendations oh my god that's very sweet a few people did 1.00

00:26:01.040 she's laying hands on me she's doing this amazing massage and then just periodically she's like lay

00:26:05.400 hands on me and she's like breathing i'm like yep you're like there it is she located this tension 0.68

00:26:10.860 that i had and she i was like wow i didn't even know i had tension there which plane she looks

00:26:15.840 at me and she goes you're holding on to something for dear life in your hips oh my god and flood

00:26:23.160 gates opened can you believe tears or yeah or spasmodic movement of the pelvis i've seen that

00:26:30.420 i've seen that that get on the table and can you can you stay on it the better the healer the

00:26:35.680 harder is to stay on the table they say i made that up oh but you know when they're barely when

00:26:40.840 they're bouncing off the table.

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00:29:50.160 so i've begun a new lifestyle let's hear it one i've dabbled in in the past oh pens

00:30:03.760 notebooks and planners we're getting into fountain pens in the home careful so that's

00:30:10.600 gonna be my new request i'm looking for more caweco sports i'm looking for more i'll take

00:30:15.760 a few of those i have one of those a turquoise i'll take another lami safari so you're into like

00:30:19.800 refilling the the ink and all that yeah i got three inks and bottles now chris is really leading

00:30:27.480 the pack on this but i am like very happily going along i've gone down a path of the hobo nichi

00:30:33.060 the hobo nichi planner unfamiliar there's got to be a listener who lives the hobo lifestyle

00:30:40.160 or the loistrom lifestyle the words of which you speak okay i'm deep i'm deep i'm on etsy 0.96

00:30:48.500 Damn, you take two weeks off Pook. 0.94

00:30:49.780 Getpens.com. 0.99

00:30:51.100 I'm on Goulet pens, okay?

00:30:53.440 And they're sending guys,

00:30:55.480 Chris just pointed out,

00:30:56.560 they're sending guys free pens

00:30:58.280 with small view count.

00:31:00.620 So I'm just saying,

00:31:01.840 I said, I'm going to bring it up on Pook.

00:31:03.400 I love pens.

00:31:04.060 I'll take some free pens.

00:31:04.480 Tell me pen isn't lifestyle.

00:31:06.220 It is lifestyle.

00:31:07.560 I journal every day.

00:31:08.920 Well, let's talk about that.

00:31:09.820 What do you journal in?

00:31:10.560 What do you use?

00:31:11.340 And what do you say?

00:31:12.000 Okay, no, this is actually,

00:31:13.200 I'm interested in this.

00:31:13.960 So I, for like three years now,

00:31:15.260 write down my dreams every morning, of course.

00:31:17.060 Yes.

00:31:17.280 And I feel confident saying every morning

00:31:18.620 because it's essentially every morning.

00:31:20.280 Yeah.

00:31:20.760 And I journal.

00:31:21.440 You have a devoted dream journal.

00:31:23.360 So I actually do that.

00:31:24.560 So this is the question.

00:31:25.600 I do that digitally

00:31:26.400 because that's also first thing in the morning.

00:31:29.480 Reach for the phone.

00:31:30.220 And I just like,

00:31:30.740 sometimes I'm like half awake

00:31:31.720 and I want to auto dictate.

00:31:32.560 I'm like,

00:31:32.960 let's have it.

00:31:34.020 And then I journal in a physical notebook.

00:31:36.260 Right, right, right.

00:31:36.980 So I know a couple of people

00:31:38.480 who journal digitally.

00:31:41.440 Let's talk about this for 10 to 15 minutes.

00:31:42.980 No, let's talk about this for 10 episodes.

00:31:44.380 Because there's a lot to say.

00:31:46.120 I was like,

00:31:46.640 whoa so i'm very wedded to the physical journal for a few reasons it's so scary to me to think

00:31:54.360 of your innermost thoughts floating out there having anything to do with the internet in the

00:31:58.580 cloud at all like i would never just being even on your local computer but then so my friend my

00:32:05.600 friend has it she uses word microsoft word so i'm like okay so that's like it's on your computer

00:32:10.000 it's not floating around well i mean you know the whole like thing like i mean it's floating around

00:32:15.200 and that someone could like gain access to your computer

00:32:17.140 in some way, utilizing the internet.

00:32:20.060 Like you're never truly safe.

00:32:22.260 Exactly.

00:32:22.720 Which is why I'm like, okay, journal forever.

00:32:24.340 But then the other day, just to see what it felt like.

00:32:26.660 I know where this is headed.

00:32:27.800 I journaled typing.

00:32:29.040 And of course it's flowing more detail.

00:32:31.260 The detail.

00:32:31.620 My entries are suddenly publishable.

00:32:33.320 They're funny.

00:32:34.120 They're more intricate.

00:32:35.460 They're suddenly, suddenly this is publishable.

00:32:39.100 Right.

00:32:40.140 Yeah.

00:32:40.400 So from the scratch, the innermost, you know,

00:32:42.960 markings on the cave wall.

00:32:45.200 to pros.

00:32:46.680 Right.

00:32:47.120 Okay.

00:32:48.240 But I don't know if I can,

00:32:51.300 I don't know.

00:32:51.860 I don't know what to do. 0.58

00:32:52.700 And then my friend said Penzu. 0.59

00:32:54.080 Are you familiar?

00:32:55.260 Penzu is like an online journal

00:32:56.900 and it's all like,

00:32:58.260 oh, it's like so safe.

00:32:59.380 But I'm just like,

00:33:00.320 is it?

00:33:00.740 It is until it's not.

00:33:02.240 Okay.

00:33:02.760 It is until they break in.

00:33:04.000 I think people are going to try to hack.

00:33:05.340 Banks are robbed.

00:33:06.460 Yeah.

00:33:06.680 Whatever.

00:33:07.200 But,

00:33:07.740 you know,

00:33:09.520 I fly back and forth.

00:33:11.640 Okay.

00:33:12.100 In systems.

00:33:12.920 And you have to be careful

00:33:13.620 that your system doesn't take over.

00:33:14.880 But, you know, the search for the correct system or whatever.

00:33:17.400 Yeah, of course.

00:33:17.860 You have your fun here and there.

00:33:18.820 But I think we need to get real and say that journaling is by hand, okay?

00:33:24.360 You and me have certain similar neuro characteristics.

00:33:28.760 Yep.

00:33:29.240 Right?

00:33:29.620 So the journal is probably, feels too slow, right?

00:33:34.940 For the speed of the thoughts.

00:33:36.460 Yeah, certainly.

00:33:37.940 Now, some would say.

00:33:39.880 There it is.

00:33:40.500 It's just what we need.

00:33:41.860 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:42.460 There's the medicine.

00:33:44.260 Now, I've told you about when I studied the Vimalia alphabet.

00:33:47.540 Gonna need a refresher.

00:33:49.280 Yeah.

00:33:49.720 So, okay.

00:33:51.000 A couple of things.

00:33:51.900 You reached out about journaling by hand versus pen.

00:33:54.080 And you did this right as I was in the middle of reading two books.

00:33:57.100 By hand versus online.

00:33:58.220 Yeah.

00:33:58.780 Digital.

00:33:59.660 Yeah.

00:34:00.020 I don't know what I said, but yeah. 0.94

00:34:01.840 First, I'm reading sex lies in handwriting. 0.97

00:34:04.500 Whoa. 0.93

00:34:04.940 A top expert reveals the secrets hidden in your handwriting.

00:34:08.120 Okay.

00:34:08.900 Obviously, I'm always interested in any kind of former FBI or whatever CIA.

00:34:15.600 Okay.

00:34:16.280 And then bringing in, you know, so it goes through all these criminals, whatever.

00:34:20.580 It does the whole thing.

00:34:21.540 But there's this idea that if you can reverse the process.

00:34:24.560 So if your pointy T's, you know, mean you're, you know, violent, then you can soften the T stroke and meditate on kindness and rewrite your brain.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, no, I'm familiar.

00:34:35.960 Okay.

00:34:36.960 Vimalia.

00:34:38.040 Vimalia Alphabet is a book, your handwriting can change your life.

00:34:41.900 Now, yeah, I see that title, I'm buying.

00:34:44.100 And I did, years ago.

00:34:45.580 And I learned the Vimalia Alphabet.

00:34:47.160 And it involves all sorts of things like, you know,

00:34:49.780 and I remember you saying your mother always said to cross her T's high or something like that, right?

00:34:53.900 Because your mother had a friend who was a handwriting expert or something.

00:34:56.500 Yeah, always said to cross her T's high.

00:34:58.660 Yeah, and that has to do with like confidence or something and ambition.

00:35:02.700 So the Vimalia Alphabet is kind of interesting because it takes you through and it's like,

00:35:06.800 okay i started trying some of its letters and way back when i did this i sat there

00:35:12.660 you should look it up look up vomalia alphabet and you just see it well the listener can't see it

00:35:17.300 oh i'm talking to them too

00:35:19.220 and i seem to how the fuck do you spell this i seem to recall being uh encouraged earlier to

00:35:27.460 look at a video this is vomalia you can figure it out you see it okay i'm looking you see the 0.94

00:35:33.180 alphabet this just looks like a this just looks like regular handwriting i mean your bees are

00:35:40.080 that beautiful because that bee just looks like a joyful no i guess you know nurturing bee i mean

00:35:47.800 look at the way they loop in the a or the h okay yeah that's a nice idea there aren't any

00:35:52.660 heinous so so if you it's kind of worth a read so i read it i'm curious about this i read it and

00:35:59.800 then i attempted it and then i attempted doing very slow journaling kind of in it and i had like

00:36:06.640 an intense experience where something like i had a radical rewiring happening and everything changed

00:36:13.540 okay no okay okay i'm gripped i know okay okay okay now it happened as a result of me attempting

00:36:20.560 the valalia alphabet and attempting to journal in it and journal that fucking slow okay so there's

00:36:25.800 that but then my handwriting kind of went into this other handwriting and i felt a deep sense 0.63

00:36:30.260 of peace and i was writing and i i was at peace with everything okay so i'll say that one two

00:36:36.980 i'm also reading a book right now i'm in that peace with everything that sounds pretty good

00:36:42.400 i remember where i was and what direction i was facing and then i'm also reading a book what's

00:36:48.540 that i remember where i was and what direction i was facing what is that something i said but about

00:36:53.280 what just now when i had the experience of sitting in my journal okay um i just remember the angle i

00:37:00.640 was at in my desk chair at my kind of poetic turn of phrase no i remember where i was and what

00:37:06.340 direction i was facing well i mean that just slips out you know it's nice okay writing the

00:37:13.420 mind alive so i googled you know or i searched i just go straight into a book thing okay okay

00:37:18.880 Kindle or iBooks, and I search an interest, and I look what looks good.

00:37:24.140 So, writing the mind alive.

00:37:27.280 Now, I wondered how they pronounce it.

00:37:30.020 Proprioceptive, proprioceptive, who knows.

00:37:33.360 Method for finding your authentic voice.

00:37:35.260 No, I just want to be clear.

00:37:36.180 This isn't about finding my authentic voice in that one way, which is legitimate, whatever.

00:37:40.500 It doesn't matter.

00:37:41.980 I was kind of going down the Vumalia thing, and they have this practice that involves lighting a candle and playing adagios.

00:37:48.880 Playing what?

00:37:50.280 Okay, a specific Baroque music because there's, you know, studies about how they invented it in the 70s.

00:37:56.700 Now you could do binaural beats, I'm sure.

00:37:58.720 But you light a candle in a dark room.

00:38:00.820 You sit there, you do loose leaf paper, nice paper.

00:38:03.480 Okay, loose leaf, like, you know, sheets of paper.

00:38:06.180 I'm not suggesting it have holes in it.

00:38:07.640 There's not necessary.

00:38:10.360 You know, I suggest a good pen, but do as you please.

00:38:13.040 and then you write in this way that is about it's like it's an entire book saying the most

00:38:19.680 simplistic thing that therefore you go like what even is this but it still does something so they're

00:38:24.380 like write what you hear in your thoughts I don't know they they explain it in a way that just I'm

00:38:31.980 like this is interesting and then you ask yourself you continually ask what do I mean by that

00:38:37.120 or what do i mean by and then you say a phrase or so like they give this example like you know

00:38:44.400 i'm afraid that if i blah blah blah they're all gonna see that and they're like and then the

00:38:49.080 person's like okay what do i mean by they and then like instantly they're transported to childhood

00:38:54.820 when they were like mocked in a group or whatever you know but it's this practice it is you know it

00:39:01.060 is they liken it to a level of focus as intense as meditation so you're not even allowed to bring

00:39:06.400 water in onto the table or any or whatever like you're not allowed to drink water during it it's

00:39:12.240 that focus that's cool i like this because i texted you the other day i was like i think i

00:39:17.460 need tai chi you know i did a tai chi video a gaiam video uh back in the i don't know 10 years ago

00:39:24.880 and i loved it and that was a video yeah i need something this could be good

00:39:30.960 Vimalia you with your pens

00:39:32.840 yeah and

00:39:34.420 I need a cookie try it

00:39:36.640 sorry I'm listening but I gotta tell you

00:39:39.220 I want a cookie

00:39:40.700 well I appreciate your

00:39:48.880 I appreciate your

00:39:51.240 reaching deep within yourself

00:39:52.980 to say I think this could be big for you

00:39:54.860 the pens and the Vimalia like that was like

00:39:56.740 you like doing a kindness

00:39:58.620 of like of sort of like politeness

00:40:00.380 I also felt it for myself.

00:40:02.100 I wouldn't always expect from you.

00:40:03.380 I think it's interesting.

00:40:04.320 That's the thing.

00:40:05.100 I was thinking about how am I going to tell Kate about pens?

00:40:07.440 Because if she's not interested for herself, okay.

00:40:10.420 No, I like it.

00:40:11.300 It's going to be, it's going to be, it's like I have to seduce you if I want to bring you into my waters.

00:40:16.800 No, I'm in.

00:40:17.840 I'm in.

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00:41:31.100 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:41:36.460 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor, disappeared from a commune.

00:41:40.280 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:41:41.620 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:41:45.260 No, I am not your guru.

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00:41:59.580 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists,

00:42:02.400 whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened.

00:42:05.740 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:42:08.660 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:42:10.340 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.98

00:42:13.260 I'll teach you sons of **** to come around here and my wife. 0.97

00:42:16.300 Boom, boom. 0.99

00:42:17.600 This is The Red Weather.

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00:42:26.700 The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

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00:43:34.200 I've joined the Fountain Pen community on Reddit,

00:43:36.960 and I've joined the Obanichi community on Reddit. 1.00

00:43:37.800 Wow, those are some real freaks, I bet. 1.00

00:43:41.020 There's some what?

00:43:41.920 Some real freaks.

00:43:44.440 You're entering a freaky. 1.00

00:43:46.660 And those people, they are fucking each other. 0.99

00:43:50.960 like 1.00

00:43:51.940 for sure

00:43:54.360 I mean

00:43:55.840 Reddit

00:43:57.020 you know it's that thing

00:43:57.980 I've said it six times now

00:43:59.280 ever since I heard it

00:44:00.240 they're like

00:44:00.900 Facebook

00:44:01.420 we're

00:44:01.800 you know

00:44:02.520 we're friends

00:44:02.940 we're strangers

00:44:03.480 Reddit

00:44:03.980 we're strangers

00:44:04.480 we're friends

00:44:05.120 oh yeah

00:44:06.060 you said that

00:44:06.740 you said that

00:44:07.520 but all

00:44:07.840 all I'm saying is

00:44:09.000 it was really sweet

00:44:11.200 okay

00:44:11.600 I saw someone post a pen

00:44:13.200 in a particular environment

00:44:15.240 whatever

00:44:15.580 they're out on a walk

00:44:16.680 or their pen

00:44:17.360 matched the tree

00:44:18.080 and they're out

00:44:18.500 with their family

00:44:19.140 and they posted it

00:44:20.540 And they said something like, you know, my family thought I was crazy for taking this photo, but I knew that a couple of strangers on the internet would exactly appreciate it.

00:44:30.960 I don't know.

00:44:31.920 Those micro interests I'm moved by.

00:44:35.740 Oh, completely.

00:44:36.300 I would love to belong to anything.

00:44:39.000 Lammy, the Lammy Safari, the Lammy 2000.

00:44:41.540 These are some of the conversations I'm having.

00:44:43.240 Pougas pens, you know, just to bring it back.

00:44:46.560 Unlike vitamin C serum, it doesn't expire.

00:44:48.620 oh and then another realization

00:44:50.820 I had a couple of realizations

00:44:52.920 and you saw me noting them in our shared note

00:44:55.020 oh well I can't

00:44:56.400 okay I'll tell my Lammy story

00:44:58.600 perhaps next week but I went in

00:45:00.940 and they were rude

00:45:02.420 okay so Lammy 0.57

00:45:04.460 sorry Lammy is a pen brand

00:45:06.380 a German pen brand

00:45:07.080 oh my god you are so far off the deep end

00:45:09.080 what the hell are you talking about 0.52

00:45:12.080 two weeks 0.90

00:45:12.760 I could be pronouncing it wrong

00:45:13.740 I don't know

00:45:15.200 so Chris and I go in

00:45:17.720 And I'm, you know, I'm sort of like tagging onto his interest because it's an interest

00:45:21.520 I had in the past and sort of it slipped away and whatever.

00:45:24.140 So, you know, he's leading it, but like all interests, we go in, I try to surprise him

00:45:29.120 like, Merry Christmas, we're getting you your first lamby.

00:45:31.460 Okay.

00:45:31.980 So we go in and it's always astonishing when someone is so rude and, you know, I go in

00:45:40.540 wide eyes, like we're just so excited about fountain pens.

00:45:44.360 And by the way, you go in wide-eyed and ready to throw down.

00:45:48.060 Yes.

00:45:48.360 Two.

00:45:48.680 Okay.

00:45:49.760 And, you know, they're barely allowing any enchantment and it's like silent and awkward.

00:45:55.600 So what happens?

00:45:56.180 You walk in.

00:45:56.660 I want to hear about the rude person.

00:45:57.860 Tell me.

00:45:58.400 Do they greet you?

00:45:59.840 Barely.

00:46:00.500 Okay.

00:46:01.280 And, you know, I'm just doing this whole wide-eyed kind of like looking around in wonder with

00:46:04.920 excitement.

00:46:05.180 I can imagine you.

00:46:06.000 Someone performing the fact that I have some knowledge, but, you know, I'm really here

00:46:10.080 to, you know, go into this world and we're looking around and Chris is pretty sure, you

00:46:13.720 know what he wants and whatever but i want to kind of i want to be sold a little and i go tell

00:46:16.860 me like what's the difference really between a gold nib and the steel like you know what's the

00:46:24.300 first upgrade there that's sort of a reasonable upgrade and is it worth it and do you have a

00:46:28.260 gold nib and you know the whole thing is it the soft the metals okay they adjust to your grip so

00:46:32.560 no one else can use your fountain pen okay i'm listening because the nib adjusts to you okay

00:46:39.920 Then there's these tuners, these nibmen.

00:46:42.560 Okay. 0.99

00:46:42.920 I don't know if they call themselves that, but there's these nib men. 1.00

00:46:46.020 Okay.

00:46:47.860 These nib men who tune and abrade your nib.

00:46:51.820 It's a whole thing.

00:46:52.580 So nib people who will tune a pen for you.

00:46:57.240 To the tune of what price?

00:46:59.280 So hang on.

00:47:00.240 To your sweet spots.

00:47:01.380 Okay.

00:47:01.660 There's a guy in California. 0.99

00:47:02.480 They wake up at dawn and they go to the nib farm.

00:47:05.840 I think the nib farm is their home.

00:47:07.280 They've converted their one bedroom. 1.00

00:47:09.620 Okay.

00:47:09.840 It's mostly nibs in there.

00:47:12.900 I mean, it's not craving ceremony, right?

00:47:15.160 It's craving.

00:47:16.040 I mean, it's like the old Mitch Hebbard joke, right?

00:47:17.740 Like, it's either about a pen or sunglasses.

00:47:20.320 I think it's about a pen.

00:47:21.380 Oh, my God.

00:47:21.920 Is it about a pen?

00:47:22.960 What is it? 0.99

00:47:23.600 If so, I'm going to drop this into the fucking fountain pen community. 1.00

00:47:27.180 They're going to lose their fucking mind. 1.00

00:47:29.500 Let me just see. 1.00

00:47:33.960 Oh, yeah.

00:47:35.040 Oh, yeah.

00:47:35.560 What is it?

00:47:36.000 The pen people already know.

00:47:37.840 What is it?

00:47:38.600 I bought a $7 pen because I always lose pens and I got sick of not caring.

00:47:42.800 Yes, I do remember that.

00:47:43.980 I was wondering if that's the one.

00:47:47.340 Well, we're in the pen universe now.

00:47:50.820 So here we go.

00:47:52.140 Okay, so I'm in there and, you know, it's a pen store.

00:47:57.220 Maybe don't make me feel bad or awkward about trying to test them when it's all about testing them in there.

00:48:04.260 Also, how much is a pen?

00:48:05.460 What does one of these pens cost?

00:48:07.300 I don't have any idea.

00:48:09.020 Lamy Safari, I think it's like 36 bucks or something.

00:48:12.120 So like the starter pens that I'm kind of like into it, okay?

00:48:15.060 Okay.

00:48:15.420 And that's your entry point.

00:48:16.560 And it's a gorgeous pen that looks like this mid-century dream.

00:48:20.480 It comes in great colors, whatever.

00:48:22.500 We actually went for it for our little Christmas thing,

00:48:24.900 and we got the special edition colors, cream and strawberry, I believe.

00:48:29.020 They kind of had a matte texture that was intriguing, whatever.

00:48:32.260 and I'm I decide on a medium nib and I'm good with the medium nib I like it wet I mean you

00:48:39.480 know these terms okay this is the most sick underworld that you've entered okay posted

00:48:46.280 oh and they go they go I mean it's not a fire hose but you know it's wet literally some pens 0.99

00:48:50.940 like refer to it as a fire because of how much ink comes out wait I want to hear about the woman

00:48:56.180 being rude that's what I'm excited about okay I know I know just you just have to pull me through

00:49:00.440 So I try a medium.

00:49:02.560 I feel pretty good about it.

00:49:04.140 I want to try a broad, but I try it.

00:49:06.420 I grab for the one broad, which is the bigger size, you know, nib.

00:49:10.320 And it's sort of that one's dried out.

00:49:12.000 So it's not really working.

00:49:12.840 So I don't really get to test the broad.

00:49:14.480 And because they're so like sort of rude, I'm kind of like, I got to get out of here.

00:49:19.080 So I go for it with the medium and we buy it and we're walking down the street.

00:49:22.680 We're like 35 feet away.

00:49:23.840 And I'm like, I think we got to go back.

00:49:26.580 Good for you.

00:49:27.340 I wanted to try the broad.

00:49:28.720 Good for you.

00:49:29.400 I didn't really get to try the broad.

00:49:30.440 they were rude

00:49:31.580 and so I felt like

00:49:32.080 I had to get the hell

00:49:32.720 out of there

00:49:33.040 and not ask questions

00:49:33.820 and let me guess

00:49:34.400 you're the only ones

00:49:35.440 in that store

00:49:35.980 yeah

00:49:36.720 there was one other person

00:49:37.900 yeah exactly

00:49:38.460 like what the hell

00:49:39.600 so I'm like

00:49:40.860 I'm going back in

00:49:41.340 I'm like Chris

00:49:41.720 you can stay outside

00:49:42.840 you're brave

00:49:43.240 and he's like

00:49:45.100 no like I'm not

00:49:46.280 like embarrassed 0.99

00:49:46.960 like go the fuck back in 0.99

00:49:48.420 like and I'll stand by you 1.00

00:49:49.800 you know what I mean

00:49:50.440 I was like

00:49:51.140 I just mean if it's too

00:49:51.960 like because like

00:49:52.420 I was like

00:49:52.780 I feel anxious

00:49:53.560 about whether or not

00:49:54.380 I'm gonna be able 0.99

00:49:54.700 to hold my fucking 1.00

00:49:55.700 personhood together 1.00

00:49:56.600 yeah of course

00:49:57.240 that's a major challenge

00:49:58.840 I was like Chris

00:50:00.080 I was like I'm going in like 0.97

00:50:01.500 and I'm not going to fucking clown it up 0.98

00:50:04.340 yeah oh wow 0.99

00:50:06.120 me again

00:50:06.660 yeah this is a huge

00:50:08.780 I was like there's nothing wrong with what's occurring here

00:50:12.040 I don't have to cite personality

00:50:14.160 disorders to try another

00:50:15.940 so whatever 0.92

00:50:17.320 the young woman was just 1.00

00:50:18.980 she was seemingly dry and rude on the first 1.00

00:50:22.040 visit and then sort of warmed up 1.00

00:50:23.920 in the second one when she was forced to defend me

00:50:26.100 against a crueler monster

00:50:28.160 okay

00:50:29.420 So I go in and I'm like,

00:50:31.640 hi, I actually wanted to try the broad again.

00:50:35.660 I tried this yellow one,

00:50:37.500 but I think this one's dried out.

00:50:39.300 So I didn't really get a good test of it

00:50:40.900 and I'd like to, okay?

00:50:41.780 Good for you.

00:50:42.260 So I say that basically to the girl

00:50:43.840 that had been, you know, I dealt with before.

00:50:46.500 And then this man,

00:50:47.540 it sort of emerged from the back,

00:50:50.140 whips his head over, he hears,

00:50:51.900 he goes, the color is not,

00:50:54.340 the color doesn't matter.

00:50:55.860 It's the same pen.

00:50:56.820 The color of the pen doesn't matter.

00:50:58.000 Okay, I'm going to go,

00:50:58.780 Yeah, I'm just saying that the yellow one

00:51:01.120 on your row of testers here is dried out.

00:51:05.280 Oh, what did he say?

00:51:08.440 It took him another round of doubting me,

00:51:10.440 refusing to hear what I was saying.

00:51:12.800 Okay?

00:51:13.180 No.

00:51:13.680 And finally, I was like,

00:51:15.060 I was in here a minute ago.

00:51:16.640 I had to lay it down,

00:51:19.140 friendly but firm. 1.00

00:51:21.480 And then the girl kind of defended me in some way.

00:51:24.320 And by lost it, I mean...

00:51:25.580 where I've been glanced over once

00:51:29.080 slightly more forth in the eye.

00:51:31.700 I would have lost it.

00:51:32.960 So I, you know, I just three weeks later,

00:51:35.160 I'm still thinking about it.

00:51:36.140 It's weird.

00:51:36.840 Okay.

00:51:37.240 So what happened?

00:51:38.160 Did you get to try the other thing?

00:51:39.700 Nothing happened.

00:51:41.180 Did you leave with the original purchase in store?

00:51:43.460 Yes.

00:51:44.380 I decided, I think the medium is still for me.

00:51:47.680 And I left and Kate, Kate,

00:51:50.120 I was almost out the door.

00:51:52.020 Okay.

00:51:52.800 And I go, see you in five minutes.

00:51:55.020 oh no yeah you couldn't you couldn't now i stand by that one as a legitimate joke

00:52:04.260 a funny joke oh that i served up as a proud jester right so what i mean is i stand by it

00:52:10.960 that one is not just complete self-effacing because i had gotten through the entire interaction

00:52:14.780 and asking for what i need and defending myself against this this guy so yeah i'm fading so

00:52:21.300 it's almost 4 30 I haven't left the apartment today because I had a noon massage those two

00:52:26.660 hours that rolled directly into therapy and therapy rolled directly into pook yeah I had

00:52:31.080 to eat a shroomami bowl as I did therapy just experientially just to not did you use a true

00:52:37.020 fork or true fork yeah it does a lot I think I'm gonna go get a matcha and I want a cookie

00:52:43.360 as I said I need some kind of a sweet treat to send me into the evening for my show I need a

00:52:49.420 lot of things. What? All right. Talk to you soon. Bye.

00:52:58.600 That was POOG. If you enjoyed POOG, please subscribe, rate, and review. If not, we will

00:53:05.900 press charges. Next week, maybe we'll talk about my realization about beauty. Yeah,

00:53:15.780 That's a big tease.

00:53:16.780 Let's save that for next week. 0.63

00:53:17.960 Beauty and objects, beauty in the self,

00:53:20.100 the modern reckoning.

00:53:21.480 When you feel uncomfortable,

00:53:23.260 what do you put on?

00:53:24.340 Biggie.

00:53:25.040 You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable?

00:53:26.520 Because I want to get confident.

00:53:27.560 This is DJ Hester Prince.

00:53:28.960 Music is therapy.

00:53:30.240 A new podcast from me,

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00:53:34.260 12 months, 12 areas of your life.

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00:53:44.300 Listen to DJ Hester-Prince's Music is Therapy

00:53:46.640 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:53:49.340 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:53:51.420 This is Ryder Strong,

00:53:52.580 and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:53:55.040 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Traynor,

00:53:57.580 disappeared from a commune.

00:53:58.940 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:54:02.760 No, I am not your guru.

00:54:06.420 Back then, I lied to everybody.

00:54:08.560 They have had this case for 30 years.

00:54:11.480 I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth.

00:54:15.240 Listen to The Red Weather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:54:21.740 You know Roald Dahl. He thought up Willy Wonka and the BFG.

00:54:25.760 But did you know he was a spy?

00:54:28.060 In the new podcast, The Secret World of Roald Dahl, I'll tell you that story and much, much more.

00:54:33.880 What?

00:54:34.760 You probably won't believe it either.

00:54:36.480 Was this before he wrote his stories? It must have been.

00:54:39.460 Okay, I don't think that's true.

00:54:41.480 I'm telling you, I was a spy.

00:54:44.460 Listen to The Secret World of Roald Dahl

00:54:46.440 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:54:49.140 or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:54:51.420 The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

00:54:55.440 So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

00:54:59.460 I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to.

00:55:01.740 I would just want you to listen to me more often

00:55:03.740 and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success.

00:55:08.540 Listening is a form of love.

00:55:10.160 Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well-being at SoundItOutTogether.org.

00:55:17.000 That's SoundItOutTogether.org.

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - January 10, 2023

The Alleged Ball

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