Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - The Prosecution Rests

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00:02:39.100 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:02:40.660 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:02:41.720 And this is Poogh, an ongoing conversation about wellness

00:02:44.740 between two obsessive friends.

00:02:46.480 Two untamable intellects.

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00:02:53.560 Today's topic, loosely speaking, a lease, a check, a suit.

00:03:02.140 You often hear me do this thing.

00:03:04.840 It's so ridiculous because I only realize it because we're filming or, you know, recording.

00:03:09.420 Yeah.

00:03:09.860 Which is like the habit of me yelling out like, will you do me a huge favor?

00:03:14.760 Did you?

00:03:15.700 Chris.

00:03:16.180 like like and then like will you do me a huge favor and it's like literally the same thing

00:03:23.860 every time will you bring me a cup of coffee yeah yeah every time oh i love it okay i'm soaring

00:03:29.200 because morning poog okay morning good morning poog by the way these are my first couple sips

00:03:34.420 of coffee so it's a true morning poog i want to say because i was degrading my coffee french press

00:03:39.600 system last week on a recent poog and i just want to say something add more grounds i mean truly

00:03:45.080 and then the big i just wasn't i wasn't making it strong enough and then also for some reason

00:03:50.320 just like three times in a row i was skimping on the grounds and i'm cheapness i want to talk

00:03:55.840 to you about this today because what alarm has gone off i said cheapness but the joy of of half

00:04:05.380 and half so she's back on dairy folks i've got half and half in here i want to hear because

00:04:10.820 Yeah. I texted you about dairy.

00:04:13.580 How scared should I be of dairy? Do you know what I mean? And what I'm talking about,

00:04:17.480 as we all know, I have no food restrictions. And when I go to a restaurant, I'll have whatever I

00:04:21.480 want to the day I die, unless some allergies form as I age. But my question is in daily life,

00:04:30.100 how important do I really need to cut out dairy for my skin?

00:04:35.160 Well, here's the thing. Okay. I mean, and by the way, I know there are other reasons too,

00:04:38.580 but you know vanity wins yeah the cows well i will say i saw this i saw this billboard that was

00:04:47.360 like not milk you know and they were like i gotta say i i feel bad but i hate this kind of

00:04:52.360 advertising okay they're like this is the the billboard headline okay literally yeah it's

00:04:58.040 totally normal to drink the breast milk of another animal yeah you know i'm talking about and then

00:05:03.720 they're like they're like not milk or whatever and i'm like guys i don't think you can advertise

00:05:09.780 on the concept of a milk alternative we have those now you know what i mean yeah they're

00:05:16.960 late to the game you mean also there's something to me it's really just a point of perspective

00:05:21.700 because to me there's something deeply in a dream world right you own your own cow

00:05:26.440 how dare i even talk about owning a cow but like in the but in the romance right of like

00:05:31.680 this is my cow and i feed this cow and this cow roams free on this pasture and i drink its milk

00:05:37.680 something about that seems like an ultimately like holistic practice right so there's something

00:05:42.540 about that that brings me back to you know the origins of of men and so right early so i'm like

00:05:48.780 actually i would consider drinking the milk of another animal because i'm part of this

00:05:53.400 goddamn earth right and there's something sterile and mechanistic about rejecting the 0.96

00:06:02.360 breast of a cow right and also like no I mean just just to explore this in ignorance like 0.99

00:06:09.000 and it's exploring in ignorance only I mean doesn't drinking like your own milk sound a little

00:06:14.360 like um more vile yeah well definitely but also like it almost sounds like inbreeding

00:06:21.440 right right totally ew yeah i i feel like and again eating your father's like toe is like not

00:06:29.040 going to lead to health you know what i mean like you're already made of it we made a rule when we

00:06:36.440 started poog no disclaimers allowed but it's like i just want to say like of course i'm not talking

00:06:42.460 here about the brutality of factory farming right like i know that there i i and by the way i've

00:06:47.000 talked about this also in pook so listen back if you need to that meat should have been made

00:06:51.200 illegal 100 years ago yeah we should have eliminated it is it was a huge crime and i

00:06:57.440 and i'm saying crime and there should be criminal consequences yeah to who i can't exactly say but

00:07:04.520 you know the government to to the leaders the alleged leaders they should have and guess what

00:07:09.660 because now i'm guess what could change oh my god i'm gonna get okay listen to this listen up

00:07:15.620 was the one I learned so I'm really into mushrooms right now right and I want to learn about them

00:07:19.840 and I'm doing this like non-psychoactive just like really want to integrate chaga reishi lion's

00:07:26.180 tail turkey tail right I'm really I'm like this is now this is my life now this is you know it's

00:07:31.900 very you saying chaga is just so chaga it fits into your vocal pattern so it's like it's like

00:07:38.580 the word chaga was built to come out of your throat thank you so I was listening to this

00:07:43.360 interview with paul statmitz and he was saying that and again i will butcher this for the

00:07:47.280 listeners but i'm very love him no i'm i don't i just you know you said it he says if you take a

00:07:53.600 spore if you take a piece of i'm forgetting what it was if it was i recall you telling me something

00:07:58.660 about a about a tiny thread of a nail lion's mane it was some mushroom it was an he described it as

00:08:04.880 being like an eighth of the size of a fingernail so picture a very small amount right if you grow

00:08:09.420 that or pinky i'm sorry good question probably like a probably a pointer finger you know like

00:08:15.700 a standard nail and so he said if you grow that for six months guess how much mushrooms you produce

00:08:25.640 six months a farm's worth are you ready for this yeah 10 million pounds

00:08:32.200 so it's like the penny can you fucking believe and and that's that's of course a meat alternative 0.67

00:08:40.200 that's like what a hundred years ago should have been our prime rib they should have a hundred 0.92

00:08:44.760 years ago gone god some tamari and on mushrooms and i'm having steak for dinner that should have

00:08:50.020 been integrated into the human experience a hundred years ago we cannot forget now we're you know

00:08:54.740 we're addicted to meat whatever but anyway and then he also goes on rib of the earth rib of the

00:08:59.820 earth rib of the earth and then he goes on to say not only of course is this a meat alternative

00:09:04.340 could get us off meat it's also leather goods it's materials and in fact he goes on to reference

00:09:10.600 that there's some mercedes some new car that's mycelium interior to experiment with like

00:09:19.160 leather alternatives so anyway no leather um i don't know how i got here oh just like obviously

00:09:24.880 i know that that we shouldn't be consuming animal products but here we are folks and if

00:09:28.840 Oh, it's not. You think I'm going to turn the tides, you know?

00:09:32.140 Right.

00:09:33.060 We're in a death pact with meat.

00:09:35.120 Yeah.

00:09:36.100 That's the truth. It's so crazy. We are.

00:09:38.660 No, my friend said to me, like, you know, you really need to stop eating meat.

00:09:43.800 Like, you're eating death.

00:09:45.680 And this wasn't just an average friend.

00:09:49.980 Yeah, they're not wrong.

00:09:50.940 My friend Paul, who's very tuned in, okay?

00:09:54.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:55.240 And, you know, it's almost like he, you know, one time I remember saying to him, like, I was leasing a Prius.

00:10:01.760 I'll say it.

00:10:02.940 And it was a big moment for me to think I could even participate in the structure of a lease.

00:10:12.520 You know what I mean?

00:10:13.180 Yeah.

00:10:14.400 And it was like, I'm going to get the whatever, the non-leather option.

00:10:19.480 And in my mind, that immediately meant like that fabric, you know, like my Toyota Camry from.

00:10:25.240 you know, the nineties. And I was cool with that. I've like, I always loved that, you know,

00:10:30.200 fabric, but it was like, oh no, it's going to be that stuff. It's going to be like that leather

00:10:34.420 type. Fake leather. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, great, great, great. I said to him like,

00:10:40.280 yeah, like, I certainly don't need the leather interior. I'll throw a bone to the cows. Okay.

00:10:45.060 And he was not amused. Yeah. Okay. He was not amused. And I had to like back out of it. Like,

00:10:51.380 i was like okay i'm sorry i i i felt discomfort around the question entirely knowing that you

00:10:56.820 don't eat meat and don't wear leather goods and whatever and so i just launched into a joking

00:11:02.080 voice to like try to sail it through right and like i just won't mention things like that and

00:11:06.660 he's like that's a good idea or something and just animal product is weird it's weird that

00:11:11.820 the gucci store right yeah it's filled with the skin of a cow and no no it's weird it's inherently

00:11:17.480 weird absolutely which is why spring for the canvas right and it is just like it's it's um 0.99

00:11:24.980 it's certainly not funny but odd perhaps that uh yeah you know if we stopped consuming it we could

00:11:33.340 all save the world anyway who cares we're not going to save the world it's over you know it's

00:11:38.120 so funny we're so uncomfortable right now like I have slipped into like like this sort of I feel 0.99

00:11:43.900 myself like walking a line i i hear i know i know the conscience of poog like everything like i'm 1.00

00:11:50.000 like i'm utterly humorless it's i know no well because it is it is like humorless it's it's you

00:11:55.160 know every day we wake up and we you know continue to you know the days are running out and we all

00:12:01.380 know it and no one cares i mean i will i shouldn't say no one cares but like i will always laugh like

00:12:07.540 even and maybe that's i don't know even as a tsunami cups you know yeah of course yeah

00:12:14.920 cups i never believe even like let me think if i think this is true morally like

00:12:19.760 you know oh oh yeah okay like the murderer laughing whatever okay it's like that's not

00:12:25.680 the problem folks wait what do you mean i'm finding humor in the in the kills he made

00:12:31.620 isn't the problem okay i don't know maybe it is okay but it's

00:12:34.820 this gets me are you ready you're you're gonna love this you're gonna love this i know it okay

00:12:42.320 you're gonna die all right you're ready it's like they're like you're watching like a doc about a

00:12:46.520 brutal murder okay yeah and they're like and on mother's day tore his mother to bits okay

00:12:54.920 they're like on mother's day on christmas morning oh right right right right the holiday

00:13:02.180 well that's the real crime as though that meaning the context yeah as though like they act like

00:13:10.100 that's adding to the crime as though brutal murder yeah yeah somehow isn't enough yes yeah it's yeah

00:13:17.320 and I find that like I like do you ever see that you see that in a god or the I gotta say the

00:13:23.560 closing defense I mean the closing uh arguments but by the by the prosecutors okay and I'm talking

00:13:29.340 both from television and true crime yeah ham-fisted dare i say oh my god absolutely and by the way

00:13:36.680 i should just say right now i'm not following the deb heard trial i'm not as well i feel like i'm

00:13:42.660 missing because in the last few days like four people have been like oh you must and i just

00:13:46.860 i i just haven't not out of some kind of superiority intellectual superiority i just like

00:13:52.540 i just i don't i would think on paper that would really fascinate me but it just somehow it just

00:13:58.180 falls to my fingers i just don't feel anything for it i tried to watch i was like oh should i

00:14:02.020 go watch some highlights or something and then i just got sucked into watching johnny depp

00:14:05.240 interviews from the 90s and i was like god he's a star you know what i mean i was watching him on

00:14:08.940 oprah when he's like 14 or whatever um and by 14 i mean you know 28 but um anyway uh oh but

00:14:16.960 whenever i my siblings dressed me what they they one day they took my hair my older siblings and

00:14:23.500 sort of like did this thing with with my hair and they were like they were like dressing me up as

00:14:27.600 johnny depp my older sibling i was a kid it was sort of like they like did my hair which kind of

00:14:32.320 johnny depp i mean i think like um the early television show he was on oh yeah that i missed

00:14:38.360 entirely you know the one i'm like one to say new kids on the block that's not what it is

00:14:44.760 i'm always waiting for this whole idea right of lawyers as sauntering around presenting the

00:14:51.260 evidence being like oh and that's why he knew it was there and he always knew you know it's like

00:14:59.840 and i'm like always the intonations yeah and i'm always waiting to be impressed or to go

00:15:07.540 well it is performance like what they're doing is the is that true performance dare i say i haven't

00:15:13.880 seen a really compelling performance yet can you think of i know this can't be true i know

00:15:17.880 is there some doc that we've consumed right where you're like there he is well I'm trying to

00:15:24.200 remember I you know one of the most beautiful phrases in the English language wait wait wait

00:15:28.540 wait I rest my case the prosecution rests I'm sorry that that's what it is because I knew I

00:15:33.740 am not leaving this for five minutes okay this is okay I want to scream okay so I knew I rest

00:15:43.080 my case i was like that's not that's a colloquialism i was like but i could feel the shape i knew that's

00:15:48.740 what it was i could feel the shape of the beauty and when you just said it okay the elegance the

00:15:54.140 prosecution rests rests the present tense it's beautiful i knight the sir paul mccartney because

00:16:01.420 it's one of those i forget there's a word for this sorry i learned it in a psycho or in a

00:16:06.160 social linguistics class in college but like words that are in them in themselves in action

00:16:12.340 because they to speak them does something well this is performativity this is jail austin this

00:16:17.600 is yes doing things with words but performativity and performative is one of the most i mean like

00:16:23.760 misused phrases overused no misused like perform and that's fine i understand but oh what it means

00:16:31.000 culturally performative language yeah it means language you know when you marry someone you say

00:16:35.820 i now pronounce you whatever that language actually does something it marries people

00:16:39.720 in the law i knight thee sir paul carney was always the example you know promise should be one

00:16:46.220 right i vow oh yeah yeah yeah i vow right and technically that is to to to speak a vow is to vow

00:16:53.520 you've locked you've sealed it in right but yeah the prosecution rests the present tense of it

00:16:59.760 it rests it's like to me it's it is absolute elegance okay because it's as if the papers

00:17:06.980 and i know this is a an ongoing image for me it comes up again and again in my work okay but

00:17:12.280 but papers sort of fluttering yeah and landing okay wait okay the speech is done yeah yeah 0.99

00:17:22.340 It fucking rests. 0.98

00:17:24.060 The implication. 0.99

00:17:26.200 Yeah, it's like, I need not say more.

00:17:29.460 Because I've already said it.

00:17:40.380 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:17:44.460 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:17:49.120 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune

00:17:53.640 It was hard to wrap your head around

00:17:54.880 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs

00:17:58.340 No, I am not your guru

00:18:01.900 And back then, I lied to my parents

00:18:04.720 I lied to police

00:18:06.000 I lied to everybody

00:18:07.120 There were years right where I could not say your name

00:18:10.100 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California

00:18:12.740 Interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists

00:18:15.660 Whomever I can to try to find out what actually happened

00:18:19.000 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:18:22.060 and not the obvious boyfriend?

00:18:23.740 They have had this case for 30 years. 0.98

00:18:26.660 I'll teach you sons of **** to come around here and my wife. 0.97

00:18:29.680 Boom, boom. 0.99

00:18:31.020 This is The Red Weather.

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00:18:36.580 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:18:40.780 The more you listen to your kids, the closer you'll be.

00:18:44.380 So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

00:18:48.440 I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to.

00:18:51.160 I would just want you to listen to me more often and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success.

00:18:57.860 Listening is a form of love.

00:19:00.080 Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well-being at SoundItOutTogether.org.

00:19:06.320 That's SoundItOutTogether.org.

00:19:08.820 Brought to you by the Ad Council and Pivotal.

00:19:11.220 Crook and Chase Nashville chats with the coolest cat in country music.

00:19:14.920 He is edgy. He's fun. He is Chase Matthews.

00:19:18.220 Keith Urban helped make him a global sensation last year,

00:19:21.000 but it's his recent number one hit darling that put Chase on the map

00:19:24.020 and launched a fun and difficult conversation about lovers who cheat and lie.

00:19:29.280 That's why I'm scared to get married.

00:19:30.620 You're giving me trust issues, brother.

00:19:32.180 Crook and Chase Nashville Chats with Chase Matthew.

00:19:34.580 Listen and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

00:19:38.240 or wherever you listen to podcasts.

00:19:41.520 Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield, from The Girlfriends,

00:19:44.680 the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories.

00:19:51.160 I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriend's Spotlight. 0.98

00:19:58.460 I want to introduce you to Sylvia. 0.99

00:20:01.000 I'm going to climb this.

00:20:03.740 And then there's Vaisaka.

00:20:05.500 Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.

00:20:09.600 Leila dared to ask the question.

00:20:12.060 Is badness hereditary?

00:20:14.120 And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.

00:20:16.220 If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived,

00:20:19.040 she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.

00:20:21.980 You'll even get to meet my mum in that one,

00:20:23.720 who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground.

00:20:26.740 I'm not too intimidated by her.

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00:21:18.320 We're lawyers.

00:21:19.940 Yeah.

00:21:20.400 And people just couldn't get enough of the show.

00:21:24.040 I know.

00:21:24.580 And so they just, I mean, the show of our performance.

00:21:27.500 Can you imagine like, you know, that's the way I used to be able to get myself to do homework or focus at all.

00:21:32.760 as a you know in elementary school sixth grade seventh grade was i'd have to put on high heels

00:21:38.660 and a mock briefcase truly and sit down at my desk it was the only possible way okay i dressed

00:21:46.220 up as a businesswoman for halloween um you don't know say really that's great oh my god okay here 0.84

00:21:55.760 it comes again you're my daughter i need my daughter oh my god it's so fucking cool and

00:22:00.780 cute and it's also funny like the idea like obviously like something being a culture it's

00:22:06.620 a culture not a costume right like to dress up as a businesswoman for halloween the implication

00:22:11.320 like it's like it's almost not even real you know like a woman can't do business surely

00:22:16.860 inherent comedy a woman with a briefcase yeah so it was really simple i remember coming up with it 0.87

00:22:25.420 That is hysterical. 0.93

00:22:26.460 Because we were driving back from, I don't know, Vermont or something.

00:22:30.000 And we were in my dad's car that was like kind of his business car, so to speak.

00:22:34.420 And he had this sort of cell phone in it, okay, that was like an early, you know, a cord and whatever, this thing.

00:22:42.260 Oh, yeah.

00:22:43.360 I would, in the back seat, play with the cell phone and I would hold it like the, you know, but it had a wire.

00:22:49.720 You know what I mean?

00:22:50.220 A car phone.

00:22:51.060 That's what they were called.

00:22:51.780 Yes, car phone, car phone, yes.

00:22:52.520 so i was really into you know craning the neck and oh my god of course and looking out the window

00:22:57.920 and talking and sort of playing the businesswoman so i really i had this suit and it was the first

00:23:02.440 and only suit i've ever had really skirt suit okay certainly at that time that we got because

00:23:09.480 i was going to a distant cousin's bat mitzvah and there was this idea of like and then maybe there

00:23:17.200 was they were conservative in some capacity it was like you know you're wearing a suit to the temple 0.93

00:23:21.300 okay this isn't the little slut fest that the that the barma mitzvahs were in in my town this 0.97

00:23:29.060 is okay this is like you wear a suit to temple you know i'm talking about the suit to temple 0.96

00:23:33.200 yeah yeah and it was like cream it was very simple and so i was like well i have the suit

00:23:39.040 ready to go oh my god sorry i'm remembering a story for my go ahead i'm just yeah no and so

00:23:43.980 the whole outfit it was i'm going to bring the phone yeah i'm going to wear the suit and some

00:23:49.280 kind of you know business kit and it was because you know you got to dress up why not dress up as

00:23:54.280 something you want to be I it's like when I gave up gave myself over in college just like let's 0.73

00:23:58.820 just dress up as a saloon madam whore yeah every year yeah that's what I want to wear so why you 0.56

00:24:06.840 know what I mean yeah anyway go on tell me more I had an idea okay oh no I just this memory just 1.00

00:24:11.520 came up because you're talking about being a certain age and like a cream suit to temple

00:24:15.120 when this is actually kind of an unsavory story about myself or about my childhood self which is

00:24:20.500 like I don't know what this reveals but I don't think it's that flattering but okay so I when I

00:24:26.000 was oh thank god I wish I knew the exact age but maybe 10 9 something like that maybe 8 okay but

00:24:33.760 what I'm trying to say is not yet 12 and not yet 11 yeah I went to a wedding and maybe not even 10

00:24:40.600 honestly all right yeah i think actually i think i could have been like seven or eight i wasn't 10

00:24:46.020 no no i wasn't 10 okay i was going to a wedding with my parents and i was wearing this very i was

00:24:53.360 wearing a white dress i was wearing a white and i remember it was like lace kind of up to the

00:24:59.280 wedding yeah and i cried apparently this is hysterical my mother said that i was beside

00:25:05.700 myself can i guess why okay yeah it's not gonna be true but i think it's funny that the bride was

00:25:10.140 stealing attention from your look okay so actually opposite I was really upset because I was worried

00:25:15.900 I would be prettier than the bride or that I thought my dress I was so in love with my dress

00:25:22.900 and I remember the feeling of this dress and I remember I was like I was like oh no I'm better

00:25:31.680 than the bride yeah I was self-conscious and really scared that like I was gonna be stealing

00:25:37.820 focus. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. And I remember I had never worn, it's like the power

00:25:45.780 of clothes. Like I remember cause my mother, and I think about this often, I really wore whatever

00:25:52.220 I wanted. I wore, did I tell you recently, actually there was another, there was occasion

00:25:56.820 of a wedding I went to, I ran into this person who hadn't seen in 4,000 years and they had seen

00:26:01.800 me at this wedding when i was like 12 yeah and made some or 13 and made some reference to like

00:26:08.680 me having been dressed like a slut at a wedding no they said that now they said that at this time 0.99

00:26:14.040 in your life yeah it's not fucked up yeah well yeah it's absolutely perverse and disgusting i 0.99

00:26:21.140 know like and it was like kind of joking and i was like oh right because i wore like a short skirt 0.99

00:26:26.660 and like whatever the fuck i wanted to this wedding and my mother and my father my parents

00:26:30.940 never had you know didn't police my clothes in a way of like oh you know they weren't worried 0.98

00:26:37.460 about me being hyper sexualized to police the child's clothes to a certain extent is the

00:26:42.040 sexualization of the child exactly exactly and also I'm aware of the fact that like my body like 0.85

00:26:47.360 I didn't like you know I didn't have like tits I was like I had this like like rather I guess

00:26:53.940 boyish frame remember the word develop how big the word develop was around puberty and oh my god 0.98

00:26:59.900 She hasn't developed yet. 0.71

00:27:02.020 Develop, develop, develop.

00:27:04.360 All I wanted was to develop bulbous melons.

00:27:08.120 Yeah. 0.98

00:27:08.800 But anyway, I wasn't slut-shamed by my parents, and that's great. 0.88

00:27:13.820 I wasn't either.

00:27:14.720 And there's so much here, and I don't want to lose it,

00:27:16.880 and I want to go back.

00:27:18.440 Like, don't let me forget about Halloween costumes and this,

00:27:20.920 but I just have to deviate off of what you just said.

00:27:25.160 Yeah.

00:27:25.800 Not slut-shamed about clothing. 0.97

00:27:27.220 Oh, right. 1.00

00:27:27.780 It will fuck you for life. 1.00

00:27:29.200 it will directly affect your own like sexuality do you know what i mean i just feel like people i 1.00

00:27:33.820 know who are heavily policed in that way but like the gaze of the father the gaze of the mother like

00:27:38.500 oh if you wear your skirt that high you know what i mean like it it imprints i mean oh my god 0.96

00:27:45.280 absolutely and it's it's it's like you know it's your it's your body is this dirty dirty thing that 0.99

00:27:52.260 that you better put a lampshade on that light because yeah damn it i write a book about 0.99

00:28:00.360 parenting so obnoxious imagine if that was the first like hoog um book deal 0.97

00:28:07.720 it was like an absolute unapologetic book about parenting like no yeah nothing tongue-in-cheek

00:28:15.020 i was dead serious on the cover staring into the eye of the viewer yeah a reader

00:28:22.260 We should start a school.

00:28:25.540 Oh, my God.

00:28:26.660 Like the way that Montessori, whatever.

00:28:28.800 It's a schoolwork.

00:28:28.820 Guess what?

00:28:29.180 The parents have to go, too.

00:28:30.920 Yeah, there it is.

00:28:32.160 Like, that's the big mistake.

00:28:34.580 What are you doing? 0.88

00:28:36.360 Like, how dare you, first of all, send the child to hell? 0.98

00:28:41.480 You need to go to school. 0.95

00:28:43.020 You need to.

00:28:44.240 There's two rooms.

00:28:45.300 The parents go here and the little kids go there because the parents need school.

00:28:51.700 wait do you know about me i feel like this will shock you okay in in nursery school well there

00:28:57.760 were a couple things one i really didn't want to go okay of course and it was a big it was a big

00:29:04.900 like scene okay same i think i think we bonded over this we both had huge scenes arriving at

00:29:09.980 like preschool or kindergarten i had a huge it was like it was like the principal had to come

00:29:15.160 down and get me or something okay what's yours so nursery school is a couple things so i you know

00:29:20.540 Is nursery school preschool or is nursery school?

00:29:22.600 Sorry, preschool.

00:29:23.940 I just don't know.

00:29:24.860 Preschool, yeah.

00:29:25.680 I don't know.

00:29:26.760 Maybe nursery school is something that came before that, which I didn't do.

00:29:29.740 I don't know.

00:29:30.740 It's a West Coast, East Coast thing.

00:29:32.100 I remember it deeply.

00:29:34.000 I remember it as clear as anything, okay, that that classroom,

00:29:38.680 I return to it often.

00:29:40.140 Actually, any time I'm thinking about the alphabet,

00:29:41.680 I am picturing the letters above a particular wall in that classroom.

00:29:47.740 It can cause issues.

00:29:48.940 but apparently there were these these sort of standoffs there's a side of me that like I I'm

00:29:56.740 not even always aware of but my parents have referenced on occasion of like the stubborn me

00:30:02.100 and I think it's so funny because like it's not how I think of myself because I'm also like trying

00:30:06.840 to be like a good girl and please everybody and whatever yeah it's kind of like the few furious

00:30:11.300 from birth but it's like it's like these standoffs with me and the teacher and whatever about going

00:30:17.220 in or even about me and the teacher about like doing what the class is doing and stuff like that.

00:30:22.360 Yeah, a free thinker. So that's all I know. But but I really like didn't want to leave the family

00:30:27.080 and the parents, I think. Yeah. And oh, God, yeah, you're gonna you're gonna love it. So

00:30:31.900 there was this mirror on one side of the classrooms, big ass mirror, like covering the 0.82

00:30:36.200 whole wall. And there was this weird time of the day where we would line up and they would walk us

00:30:41.560 past this mirror. And I remember it like us going up on a hill and then down or being lifted up in

00:30:46.900 an arcing fashion and then down okay and because I would like cry okay I would cry fairly often

00:30:54.980 and I remember distinctly crying and being take into the little teacher's office inside of the

00:30:59.720 thing and and the big realization was that if I sipped water it helped the sobs stop so for a

00:31:06.780 really long time like sipping water was deeply associated with crying for me yeah yeah maybe

00:31:13.800 that's why I'm dehydrated. I mean, it could be, yeah. Anyway, it's not, it's not particularly

00:31:18.140 interesting. All right, pull it back. So, so sweet. So because I had this profound anxiety about

00:31:22.800 leaving my parents and in the home, um, and being there in that hellscape, which of course,

00:31:29.340 I mean, around 30 other children, are you kidding? And, and, and what are they, but products of their

00:31:33.800 parents, you know, horrifying horror techniques of, you know, just being, just being confronted

00:31:39.020 with these other perspectives and, and you are going to school with their, with the parents,

00:31:43.180 you're going to school with their parents and what they've fed down through them and then it's

00:31:47.480 emerging out of the mouths of these children with utter i mean that's the other thing like

00:31:51.220 the closed-mindedness of children in a way like no the word's not vomit it's it's it's upchuck

00:31:56.300 yeah yeah that's one from i remember specifically who said that in pre-school

00:32:00.980 it's not puke what's that it's called upchucking okay yeah you get the absolute

00:32:06.920 certainty yeah yeah it's suddenly his grandfather's in the room yeah

00:32:11.640 so because of that they let me in on a secret it's much like when they had to let me in on

00:32:23.600 the fact they had to tell me santa claus wasn't coming that night because i was so afraid of

00:32:26.380 running into him in the hallway when i went to the bathroom that they had to tell me he dropped

00:32:29.940 off the gifts earlier that week because it takes him too long and the gifts were in dad's office

00:32:35.560 closet oh my god you have not ever said that i was let in on the secret that the parents are back

00:32:42.660 there behind the one-way mirror or the two-way mirror so i knew that my parents now let's get

00:32:50.140 real they don't stay all day okay but they took a little look yeah but they were there was a period

00:32:55.480 where like they know the parents are out there they're observing the children and then they sort

00:32:59.060 of we walk in front of the mirror and so me knowing i mean and also let's just say let's

00:33:03.440 look at that what does that do the eye the knowing that they're the eye they're being watched the

00:33:09.100 parental the parental the god the comfort you know is this why i turn to film is this why i turn to

00:33:15.080 you know this is why i elbow my way into television at all costs you know demand to be seen wow all

00:33:23.260 right so so tell me about and then i want to go back to halloween costumes a little bit because

00:33:27.200 it's very interesting oh i'll say briefly there's not that much but i just remember this wasn't

00:33:31.920 preschool this was like first grade second grade I went to a super um you know sort of hippie school

00:33:37.620 where there weren't grades there weren't grades as in letter grades we can tell it's one of the

00:33:43.700 reasons it's one of the reasons you're so good I well I have to say I was thinking about this 0.97

00:33:47.740 the other day I was reading about whatever the point is I was thinking about like holy shit the

00:33:52.040 fact that I didn't have homework or grades like I wasn't reduced to like the lettering system and

00:33:57.500 then when I went to seventh grade and I had grades it was like oh so you okay you eventually had them

00:34:01.900 The inhumanity of it was so shocking to me. Yeah. I had them starting seventh grade.

00:34:06.080 Yeah.

00:34:06.740 But I remember like, it was like, this is wrong.

00:34:11.420 Yeah. Because, you know, that system rewards memorization and conformity as opposed to play

00:34:17.120 and, you know, abstract thinking.

00:34:19.300 Absolutely. And the belief that there is a, there is knowledge that is just absolute.

00:34:23.960 And I would say they even went further. It wasn't like first grade, second grade,

00:34:26.880 third grade. It was like Peggy's class, like Michael's class. It was like very much like,

00:34:31.900 So that if you had to repeat a grade or if you were like, you were put in, I mean, it

00:34:36.720 wasn't like there were 12 year olds and with the five year olds, like it was still relatively

00:34:40.020 age, but there were often, and also there were two teachers per class.

00:34:44.840 It wasn't like one teacher and the teachers, you, you called them all by their first names.

00:34:50.140 No, exactly.

00:34:51.040 This is, this is it.

00:34:52.140 First of all, the fact there wasn't one Lord.

00:34:54.160 But like, what do you think that does the psychology of that?

00:34:56.240 Cause it didn't reduce.

00:34:57.200 And here's the mistake would be to say, oh, because my teacher was Chris and not Mr.

00:35:01.900 that it would somehow create a lack of respect no absolutely not like that's why children are

00:35:06.940 treated like fools i was like no i still completely had reverence for the teacher 0.98

00:35:10.640 and understood who the fuck was in control who i you know what i mean like well that's like well 0.98

00:35:15.440 like status and power no one missed no one's missing it no one's missing i mean it's like 0.70

00:35:21.280 most classic that's like why it's like all those acting classes like keith johnstone like

00:35:25.860 improv improv okay like whatever like status i don't know what that is is the most no it's just

00:35:32.800 like it's dumb reference it's fun if like whatever but it's like you know like those status games in

00:35:37.860 acting okay now let's play it now now even though you're the boss yeah you're a lot of status yeah

00:35:44.100 okay and then and then and then i'm just sorry just imagining an acting teacher like a bad one 0.99

00:35:50.280 okay teaching it and so now you're coming into the room all puffed up like you're the fucking guy 0.93

00:35:56.600 yeah yeah yeah did you ever do this like type of acting game where like you're given one text 0.97

00:36:05.500 okay but you know the words are irrelevant you know it's like you say the alphabet but you're

00:36:10.200 leaving your husband finally a b c d e yeah yeah yeah yeah oh my god it's your ticket like you

00:36:17.880 know whatever like I'm the wife I was once assigned this in a in a local acting class as a

00:36:24.100 college student home for the summer okay I decided to take up the local performing arts center on on

00:36:30.600 one of their courses and the man was a pervert I mean not really but he it was traumatizing because

00:36:37.520 well there were a few things I was so he told me that he saw me as this sort of ponds girl you know

00:36:44.560 like in a ponds makeup remover commercial, like dipping my face into the, into the water.

00:36:50.460 What? Oh my God. It was like, so then, so then when he assigned me, so we all had to do a nursery

00:36:56.200 rhyme and then we had to do it. Sorry. Confirm your age. Were you six? I'm like getting confused

00:37:00.300 here. How old were you? No, sorry. 20, 22. I'm back from college for the summer. Got it. Okay.

00:37:05.380 Thank you. And he's like, so then he, he, he had a hangup about me almost being like this stuck up

00:37:12.560 or something whatever i don't know i mean it must be because then when he when he lording over us

00:37:17.880 assigned the what our you know dramatic goal was yeah okay for so we each had to perform a nursery

00:37:25.460 rhyme as a monologue but but you know and then he oh right this was so gross he just said and then

00:37:30.580 he applied to me you're going to seduce us oh my god yeah my nursery rhyme was hickory dickory 0.98

00:37:39.420 doc okay so it's like first of all which already sounds like cock yeah and it's just like so it's 0.98

00:37:45.020 like and obviously it's like the most humiliating acting class i mean of that variety it's just 0.97

00:37:50.380 it's a perversion of the instructor what the fuck is wrong with you this need to humiliate 0.97

00:37:56.940 and and useless humiliation for their own little yeah you know private sanctimonious 0.97

00:38:04.460 it's it's so I mean here's a question it's so bare it's so obvious should an actor teach like

00:38:10.960 should an actor be banned from the job of teaching because because it's too their own issues are too

00:38:18.200 in there like should an acting teacher only be someone who actually like has never acted 0.92

00:38:24.640 no totally totally like which would be less fucked up I wonder do you know what I mean no 0.52

00:38:31.160 absolutely actors need to be closely monitored like I mean like actors like oh should be like 0.72

00:38:40.800 in their own communities kept away from the others I just feel like there's like oh my god

00:38:47.980 my friend once said this about yeah an actor they were like you can never actually hug an actor

00:38:55.140 oh my god because the actor is like constantly interpreting what it means or no no like when

00:39:00.520 you have your arms around an actor there's no one there and i say this has an actor but do you know

00:39:11.080 what i mean like like i just remember that was the most like damning like obviously intentionally

00:39:15.940 scathing and like rude but so funny like there is truth there i don't know if you're a fan of

00:39:21.020 the film um the goodbye girl never seen it and no not of what you speak wait what's it called

00:39:27.960 the goodbye girl neil simon oh sorry i i just heard the good girl which is the mike white

00:39:32.240 jennifer aniston yeah jill hall film which i saw three times in theaters at least of course of

00:39:36.820 course john c riley seeing something x number of times as a young person being so important

00:39:44.180 you know what i mean is like great we had that these kids don't have that you and me at the

00:39:49.020 cinema it's time i mean i saw every indie that passed through this town in high school every

00:39:53.880 single indie every weekend i was there oh god yeah i saw one hour photo wait i feel like somebody

00:40:00.080 once on poog once reached out was like my dad like directed one hour photo or something oh yeah

00:40:04.280 wait that sounds really familiar because i was talking about one hour photo one hour photo for

00:40:08.240 me is like lodged in my brain as like the height of indie film which we were fucking alive for and

00:40:14.360 it's it's over i mean don't i mean it's it's done the movies that were made cannot be made anymore 0.56

00:40:21.020 they just simply cannot be made it's we well i think no but here's the thing wait let me just

00:40:26.220 we were there we got we had movies and these kids don't wait let me post something no i know but

00:40:33.080 here's something wait let me post something okay and you mean because like they only make marvel

00:40:36.880 now i mean yeah no no i just want to make sure we're like okay i don't mean to reduce you to

00:40:42.140 that but you know what i'm saying we're in that realm so no but that is i mean that would be the

00:40:45.680 the global argument you're talking about the industry you're talking about the budget the

00:40:49.400 fear the whatever yes the fear of anything but here's the thing isn't isn't isn't that culture 0.99

00:40:55.420 what indie film replied to so isn't it upon us to go fuck that we need to just go get money 0.98

00:41:03.440 fund it however we can low budget and make the shit like isn't it literally like isn't that the 0.99

00:41:08.880 very it's like being like we were alive for the revolution and now look at us tyrannized and it's 0.97

00:41:16.200 like wait should we revolt you know i'm saying no i mean and of course i'm getting all heated and 0.99

00:41:22.720 like can't actually speak to how the system works in a real way i'm just like it's so fucked up in 0.94

00:41:27.360 corporate like what the hell like schenecto key new york would never be made today oh yeah but 0.56

00:41:32.000 like would it would never be made today is also like there was there were real budgets and these

00:41:37.440 movies that right like no but but but but i'm assuming that that came about yeah the moment

00:41:45.540 of going the moment where they gave budgets to movies right that that were what we were saying

00:41:51.920 are the kind that wouldn't be made today right yeah didn't that come out of oh look these these

00:41:56.460 indie films are actually pretty successful like we have to we have to take control Kate I know

00:42:02.380 and that's why Kate and I have we're announcing today we have a film released a GoFundMe

00:42:09.420 celebs with gofundmes synecdoche unacceptable i'm getting i'm getting like fixated on synecdoche

00:42:18.360 new york because to me that is like charlie kaufman obviously being one of the the only

00:42:24.580 yeah one of the only that ever lived and ever will live bedford i remember seeing at the bedford

00:42:29.120 um bedford cinema that's not what it was called i can't remember right now but drive to the strip

00:42:34.040 mall where they had this one theater and seeing it i talked about this because my boyfriend at

00:42:37.880 the time left during the viewing went across the street and had pizza and you were like it's over

00:42:42.620 well no i continued to date him right up until i left for school but um

00:42:46.780 i i i imbued his his discomfort around certain things like that with meaning um like it was too

00:42:55.460 raw for him i'm sorry i could actually start the crying thinking about synaptic new york okay

00:43:01.100 listen to me right here here it is folks budget 20 million box office 4.5

00:43:08.920 yeah do you know what i mean and it's like yeah

00:43:13.280 although they don't make them like that any more go of day kate i can't i can't not it was sony for

00:43:27.860 For Christ's sake.

00:43:30.520 Right.

00:43:31.440 It premiered at Cannes.

00:43:34.380 I mean, of course it did. 1.00

00:43:35.560 By the way, I'm actually full of fucking shit. 1.00

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00:46:47.400 my face is really not working for me like like i'm distracted my own reflection and like cool

00:46:55.500 no lips so no lip no back i guess wait wait what are you doing where are my lips

00:47:00.820 no lip no back yeah i know and guess what that's going to come back to haunt me i'll forget i've

00:47:08.120 said it and a and a hag at the merch table will say it i'll sob for nights actually i'll forget

00:47:14.360 you know why nothing hurts me after a show because i have dinner dinner dinner dinner oh my god i had

00:47:20.780 that last night so i had my show and then i went out for honey i had a margarita and like all day

00:47:26.620 i was like at the end of my show i'm getting tacos and a marg and i'm not just talking about

00:47:31.940 a shitty margarita i'm talking about you know who makes really good margaritas in this town

00:47:37.680 on the east side 0.85

00:47:39.220 Salazar

00:47:40.340 it's very close to my theater

00:47:43.200 and my god the margs

00:47:46.200 okay I have a list to discuss on poop

00:47:48.200 sorry I just might want to revisit it

00:47:50.160 I have a restaurant thing to say after this

00:47:52.620 I have some restaurant moments

00:47:53.960 no do it now I want to talk

00:47:55.380 I'd always rather talk

00:47:56.840 I just want to say because I think you'll enjoy this

00:47:58.480 oh I know I will

00:48:00.560 just going to do lip exercises while you talk

00:48:03.280 so you've probably heard of this hot spot

00:48:05.580 Italian restaurant here in Hollywood 0.68

00:48:07.280 it called mother wolf that opened evan funke of felix on the west side opened up laughing at the

00:48:13.180 love the name of course very clarissa pincola as steve so it's called mother wolf i keep forgetting

00:48:18.980 and calling it hunger wolf um it's called mother wolf and it's like this you know huge you cutting

00:48:25.740 out the mother i know and i got a fear of the divine feminine strikes again 0.63

00:48:30.800 i don't even have dumbstruck okay you are you going i've never seen you dumbstruck okay but

00:48:41.900 the point is it's like it's like i've only been i've been you know exactly twice but it's like

00:48:46.180 very much this thing of like whoa it's such a scene you know you go there and there's like

00:48:49.660 4 000 celebrities whatever are you going to dinner with where's my invite i would

00:48:53.780 more love to go with you well so here's the thing so when i went i was there and found myself in a

00:49:02.640 situation where i was you know the least famous person at the table and no but the manager came

00:49:09.800 by the only one who wasn't just trying to feed their family folks can you leave us alone

00:49:13.900 the card came down he he was like ha ha ha and he takes his business cards the manager and kind

00:49:19.240 of puts on the table i snatch it up manager oh like a hollywood manager you mean no no the manager 0.97

00:49:24.280 of the fucking restaurant comes over the manager of the restaurant put his own credit card down to 0.97

00:49:29.620 pay for the mail business card okay i know i figured it out before i said it but i had to 0.99

00:49:33.600 and so i you know sticky fingers grab it i'm like i'm the one who needs this

00:49:38.020 so i take oh my god i feel like i leave him like i got it baby i got the guy's business card i'm

00:49:43.540 gonna email directly for because the whole thing is that it's impossible to get in it's impossible

00:49:47.640 to get in right so then i my friend wanted to go and i was like actually i have the guy's

00:49:52.720 business card so my plan was to email him but then my friend got a reservation the point is

00:49:57.140 i was at the restaurant i saw i clocked the manager now i'm searching his face for recognition

00:50:03.440 when he's looking at me like oh yeah i know who she's been here of course nothing blank face

00:50:06.720 cold icy stare not icy but just complete and it was devastating and so i kept being like and i was

00:50:12.340 like i gotta make i gotta make the connection tonight i gotta make the connection tonight

00:50:15.080 and you know you and you know that you can charm at all costs okay so like no one's business i mean

00:50:19.740 you know you could do it in probably what under eight seconds just go uh like like it's it's an

00:50:25.460 energy that you bring you know you can you can be different well i'm saying as again live for

00:50:30.560 restaurants so i'm like i gotta get in here so i i'm sauntering church for me sir and you are my

00:50:37.520 priest yeah exactly the sacrament you're out the sacrament is the reservation and so I

00:50:43.340 as we're leaving I kind of touch his arm and I go hi and he says hi and I say

00:50:49.640 you know I was here a few weeks ago and you gave me your business card but I lost it and so I see

00:50:55.960 his face looking at me he's like okay so I'm imagining him like I don't know who the hell 0.86

00:51:00.320 this bitch is but I gave her my card so like does she own exactly you know Exxon Mobil like what's 1.00

00:51:04.620 going on. So he, the pro that he is, let's get your phone out. Take my number. He proceeds to 1.00

00:51:13.800 put in his, what I can only assume is his direct cell phone. So his fingers, his fingers are

00:51:20.300 tromping across your screen. Tromping across. We have a little joke. We have a little moment here.

00:51:25.160 Right. And I leave going, I'm fucking in. You're in. I love when you're in. So I have a question 0.99

00:51:32.140 to you i was like almost tempted to text him the next day like what a great meal i was like okay

00:51:36.720 don't do that you know leave him alone so i just think the next time i want to make a reservation 0.89

00:51:40.860 and get in there i just text him that's so fucking bull i have to be careful that's really intense 0.94

00:51:45.080 right you want to play that card right all right let's let me let me let me break this down for a 0.96

00:51:49.800 second so here i think of by the way flooded with emotion right now dying to go with you

00:51:52.840 continue the food is really is just undeniable it's just distracted by like like you finished

00:51:58.200 speaking and so you're immediately into planning like i know lock in the meal i want to lock it in

00:52:02.480 so a couple things one and i could be wrong i could be wrong there's two ways to play this

00:52:08.400 well there's infinite ways okay but there's a couple this is the first binary i'm coming across

00:52:12.760 one do you make sure that that the restaurant's booked okay that there are no res is available

00:52:18.800 okay i don't mean to laugh but it's never it's always fully booked the only way to get yeah

00:52:25.080 well i mean technically there has to be some way right is it three months in advance what is it

00:52:30.080 right no it's that it's that they take reservations only seven days in advance but you have to like

00:52:34.360 stay up till midnight to make them it's like a whole thing i wonder if they have because you

00:52:38.100 know on i think i forget which one uh resi i had a thing in new york where i had the notifications

00:52:45.820 the waitlist whatever yeah they have that they have that get it you fly you fly to your feet

00:52:50.480 and I once got one for for this place yeah they were like run and then it was gone yeah it's

00:52:56.060 scarcity god you know and and and I'll take it even if it's fake you know what I mean just yeah

00:53:03.500 just let me live let me believe I'm let me believe of getting something rare so if it's always booked

00:53:09.260 I still just okay fine let's assume it's booked great do you go straight to him sure okay here's

00:53:16.780 a question what note has he put in his phone hey oh no I mean like how did he note you I didn't

00:53:25.480 text him back he gave you his number or he texted you I forgot he texted me from he texted himself

00:53:31.140 from my phone and was like hey yeah oh so he then did have to arguably input some kind of contact 0.87

00:53:38.120 so you know you know no no no he didn't I never texted him oh wait I'm stupid help me help me 0.97

00:53:43.640 help me, help me. No, he did. He texted himself. He did. See, this is what the technology laps for 0.98

00:53:48.560 me. It always happens. That's why I forgot the Google drive was available. Okay. I like,

00:53:52.940 I know. I become so abstract. Oh my God. Keep going. No, I know you ran home to collect your

00:53:57.700 files, like a couple of stones in a bag. I ran home to collect files last night,

00:54:03.240 like an eighties business woman, forgetting that the files are in the internet. Grab your floppies. 1.00

00:54:07.620 I don't need to go home to my physical computer to get the files. It happened to me yesterday.

00:54:12.800 okay you're rooting through a desk yeah the the scene that unfolded and you getting it again

00:54:19.220 getting the number again i think that moment is seared in the hippocampus as you'd say indelible

00:54:24.160 in the hippocampus yeah okay lodged in the amygdala okay okay because he experienced panic

00:54:29.380 and then relief okay he experienced the panic of is this a woman i'm supposed to know you're a 0.97

00:54:33.900 fucking genius yeah so that scene is locked in now okay oh god now i think you just need one 0.78

00:54:39.380 one kind of solidifying event and i'm not sure it is the text for the for the wreck i think it might 0.98

00:54:45.360 be this time you go into the restaurant yeah okay and this time he's ready to clock you and this

00:54:50.740 time i know his name sweetheart yeah talk about indelible in the hippocampus and if he experiences

00:54:56.600 panic and doesn't okay oh yeah then i'm really i mean when you when you text when he texted you

00:55:02.680 from your phone he what did he write like i'm protecting his identity he said hey it's name

00:55:08.260 and then wrote mother wolf yeah to himself from my phone doesn't make sense he did he take your

00:55:17.680 phone he took my phone and he tromped his fingers across he texted his himself right so i would

00:55:24.020 think he would write hey it's kate berlant no he didn't it was my job to text back oh no it was my

00:55:31.100 job text back wasn't it text back no it it went to him what doesn't make sense okay so here's what

00:55:40.720 you have okay this here's what i so in your phone right now there's hey johnny cakes right it's me

00:55:49.140 johnny cakes and then that's it so what you do now yeah is you just say either right now you go

00:56:00.560 realize they never gave you my name kate berlant okay pasta emoji and you're out huge question

00:56:05.960 huge question all right a potential reservation is on the books in the next two weeks though this

00:56:12.440 would be weird this would be crazy okay this is a bad idea i was gonna say once i have i have my

00:56:17.360 my idea was i have the reservation solidified and text hey it's kate berlant coming to the

00:56:22.240 restaurant tonight hope to see you that's crazy that's crazy i agree i think that sounds like

00:56:30.040 like you're interested romantically or something i i i think i think you solidify with your greatest

00:56:37.280 skill charm in person got it done you came oh my god oh my god oh my god my god i just had a huge

00:56:42.120 idea this is crazy but you know what i never gave you the number you know what i would almost do i

00:56:45.740 never gave you my name yeah yeah yeah that's perfect okay want to hear this which is so a 0.92

00:56:50.700 friend of mine a friend of mine put this in my mind as something you can do and holy shit

00:56:56.800 if there's a restaurant i wouldn't do this here because this place is so like

00:57:02.640 it would be so kind of embarrassing it would actually instantly mark me like a peasant

00:57:06.800 right because it's like don't people that go here sometimes you want to separate yourself

00:57:10.280 as the only salt of the earth person who truly gets the restaurant okay so let's hear

00:57:16.140 right exactly classic totally okay so here so here's so here's a possibility oh my god oh my

00:57:22.200 god this is making me laugh I was like I can feel myself that I think I might do it oh no

00:57:26.200 okay so also the last time the last time I was there I saw the chef okay wait wait wait

00:57:35.820 Evan Funke the same restaurant right yeah same restaurant oh you go you go chef you go around

00:57:39.340 the back or through the glass window okay so I saw him okay listen here's what I'm considering

00:57:45.100 doing so a friend of mine put this in my mind who she worships restaurants okay listen what if i

00:57:51.520 took you take a bottle of really exciting holy shit yeah never even heard of this okay so i'm

00:58:00.400 shocked so i think i could get a really nice bottle of cassis a nice bitter something special 0.87

00:58:06.280 yeah and you bring it you go it better be special it's special and you go so imagine this ago i just

00:58:13.140 love the food here so much. I think it's such a great addition to the Los Angeles culinary

00:58:18.600 landscape. And I brought this for the kitchen. I'm not fucking kidding you. To their knees,

00:58:27.560 they fall. Did you happen to hear my silence? I'm in awe. I'm in awe. Wait, hold on.

00:58:34.820 damn i'm actually sweating i'm sweating i am too 0.97

00:58:41.680 because it's like it's exactly as you said it's the realization okay it's like it's a realization 0.98

00:58:50.700 you know an idea that has reached his time you know they say that when like you can't stop an

00:58:55.800 idea that like an idea when it's it's not the phrase but that that sentiment like when an idea

00:59:00.960 is is finally of time like it can't be stopped right i'm sweating i'm sweating and like the 0.91

00:59:06.500 tears are like sort of prickling at the back of my my eyeball because i'm like fuck i i'm not i 0.87

00:59:12.360 don't know if i can be able to resist not doing that like i think it's happening i know it's on 0.94

00:59:16.440 and i can't turn back yeah that's what you can do so it's so outrageous right this idea of me 0.97

00:59:22.880 how do you fucking pull it off how do you pull it off without being another douche how do you 0.97

00:59:27.760 pull it off without it being like because because if i were the chef and i approach you with that 0.99

00:59:32.180 i would think oh this is like her alcohol company or you know what i mean like like this is like her

00:59:37.780 she's trying she's like here i brought you this and it's like hashtag sell this in your restaurant

00:59:42.240 you know gorgeous bottle and then you see the corner of a of a neon green post-it sticking

00:59:47.960 out and you go there it is there's the ask exactly add this to the wine add this to the wine program

00:59:53.260 so I would have to go like I am merely a fan I don't think I think if there's no if there's

01:00:02.240 nothing attached yeah like truly nothing not even your name I don't think they assume it's

01:00:07.020 wine company okay it's just those people don't they don't they don't pre-sell they don't just

01:00:11.480 give it and then say nothing so I I don't think that's the concern okay I think the concern is

01:00:16.680 what's what's she after okay I almost think the concern is now but here's the big question this

01:00:21.360 this is exactly the question you i do it all you know what i would do it all for a free round

01:00:26.100 can you imagine of course i do it all for being able to single to take my mother there to be able

01:00:31.260 to go you know what i want to take my mama out to a special dinner yeah and i guess where i can 0.98

01:00:36.000 actually get the fuck in don't get i just look glancing at discuss on poop to see if there's 0.89

01:00:40.760 anything i want to say really yeah by the way i'm now i'm like i actually feel like i'm i want to be 0.99

01:00:46.020 strong enough to take the bottle oh wait this is why okay and we're gonna have to revisit halloween

01:00:51.320 costumes next week because I have more to say but my fear isn't your fear your fear is they're

01:00:57.180 gonna think you're a wine rep or whatever right or my fear my fear is just like what's my fear

01:01:01.520 I think they'll be like what does she want it's like you know what I want I want an app I want

01:01:06.080 a free app and I want and what's funny is that's all you want is is a very minimal kind of ask you

01:01:12.560 want to feel special I just want to be able to get a reservation that's really all I want but

01:01:17.060 keep going you know what i want i want community oh wow you realized it's the local by the way i

01:01:25.860 because i put in the work right before covid you want to be a regular you want to be a known regular

01:01:30.320 yes i love being a known like that i have a tip for i have a tip for restaurants if you see me

01:01:36.960 searching for a gaze of recognition why not just throw me one back yeah even if you don't remember

01:01:44.460 well guess what i'll never forget this begging for it this is to me this is how you run a

01:01:48.780 restaurant and this place fucking closed during covid but a place near my parents house because

01:01:53.040 that was like a new restaurant opened up like walking distance of my of my parents the dream 0.93

01:01:56.740 the dream so anytime a business shutters i pray it's going to turn into a restaurant looking is

01:02:00.920 there a liquor license sign coming in the window all right no no and this was this was a this was

01:02:05.200 wonderful because it was a food was completely solid they had a gorgeous full bar they had a

01:02:11.060 devastatingly reasonable happy hour you could get like a you could get like a beautiful negroni for

01:02:15.680 seven dollars you know what i mean like i'm talking about a real fun happy hour solid food

01:02:21.500 really solid using solid food and i'm like that alone just solid evoked pleasure so so when they

01:02:30.940 first opened my parents went maybe twice in like a week or 10 days and the manager comes over and

01:02:36.500 goes, Hey folks, I recognize you. And my parents go, well, you know, we actually live two blocks

01:02:43.040 away and we're always excited about. He gives them a gift card on the spot. He throws down

01:02:53.000 and guys, this wasn't 20 bucks. I think it was an a hundred dollar gift card. He goes so happy to

01:03:01.040 have, to be in the neighborhood. So glad you've come back. And my parents of course were like,

01:03:05.740 we love the food please keep coming back here's a hundred fucking dollars so you know what they 0.98

01:03:11.420 just did they just made cry they just cfl baby cfl by the way i'm crying too and it's just a joke 0.97

01:03:21.380 okay cfl i'm gonna start saying that okay and then i'm gonna i'm gonna go i'm gonna go this

01:03:28.620 one this is how they're gonna remember me i'm gonna do that that thing where i'm gonna create

01:03:31.840 panic or you know confusion to lodge in the in the okay to stir the amygdala okay so i'm gonna go

01:03:38.760 i'm gonna go cfl i have one thing to say oh no this is genius are you ready i'm gonna go up to

01:03:42.760 the manager on the way out okay yeah or whoever okay and i'm gonna i just want to say cfl again 0.96

01:03:48.940 i'm gonna say it's stern and sort of neutral so they don't know if this is something fucked up 0.81

01:03:53.940 yeah okay i have one thing to say after dining here cfl okay and they're gonna go they're gonna 0.89

01:03:58.360 panic they're going to think is that some kind of food service yeah yeah you know like i'm going

01:04:02.320 to call the the you know the authorities on like i'm sending cfl in here tomorrow yeah tuesday okay

01:04:08.940 yeah okay and then so i create the panic the fear yeah and then and then i start to walk away

01:04:14.940 i turn around and i say customer for life oh my god okay so then they're lifted to the heavens

01:04:24.180 they'll never okay bring them down and bring them up lift it to euphoria and then you're

01:04:29.340 indelibly lodged yeah yeah no you're you're right to create the panic and then you sue it

01:04:34.680 by the way another okay i have another thing to say about this place that 0.97

01:04:39.700 fucking shuttered post covid or shuttered and covid devastating shuttered is the best word 0.95

01:04:45.680 and i only i only reserve the term shuttered for businesses that i really feel something for okay 0.99

01:04:50.580 they shuttered devastating you know what they also did for and this is fucking customer relations 0.94

01:04:56.280 folks by the front door they had a bell jar whatever you call it it's not a bell jar it's 0.98

01:05:00.220 a cookie it's like a yeah the cake goes in a jar of beautiful chocolate chip cookies with

01:05:04.900 maldon salt on top and they go on your way out if you want a cookie grab one

01:05:07.920 which by the way is a little weird there's something about that well wait hold on was 0.92

01:05:14.600 there tongs not to be a bitch but where they're no it was your hand it was hands while as i said 0.58

01:05:19.380 it i go that's actually somehow how is that it's like one of the great joys of childhood well it 1.00

01:05:27.320 just because of the dirtiness one of the great joys of childhood was there was this mexican 0.55

01:05:30.440 restaurant that we would go to on friday nights okay as a family and by the way there we stopped 0.66

01:05:35.500 going your family did a good job thank you just even that every friday night mexican i could start

01:05:40.460 crying i i i know i crave routine so hard as a kid okay keep going so however we stopped when my dad

01:05:50.620 recognized that particularly the older kids because i was just a child okay okay but the two

01:05:56.140 teens weren't appreciating it anymore okay when they were like dropping their head down on the 0.96

01:06:01.680 table and going to sleep during the meal and shit yeah he took it away you know what i mean 0.97

01:06:06.120 it was like it's over it's done okay yeah and you know that famously i was the one like two 0.97

01:06:12.260 and a half year old who could dine in the fine establishments because i was so well behaved i

01:06:18.740 love you because i was so excited about the good food that i could be i could be brought in there

01:06:22.800 was this one place that like yeah i was the only baby that was allowed in because my respect for

01:06:28.420 the chef was undeniable i mean but wait wait wait wait take me back wait because i know i had a

01:06:35.560 went the cookie end of the thing that they did that oh yeah so every friday night wait but every

01:06:40.900 friday night and then on the way out of the mexican restaurant um you know those they're

01:06:46.560 wrapped up which is not but just a mixture of of like of mints at the door let's let's talk about

01:06:52.160 it remember mints at the door the dream of the 90s the candy pre-9-11 pre-9-11 pre-9-11 you know

01:07:00.000 grab a grab a mint grab a door absolutely candy it just it was a different time stuffing your

01:07:05.740 pockets full uh matches toothpicks yeah i mean i still get excited for it for a nice match box

01:07:13.580 oh yeah i have a collection for christ's sake i just want to say so the concern okay yeah about

01:07:20.920 the bottle yeah so i would always think they're just gonna think i'm a douche i'm obviously

01:07:25.920 trying to like like what am I trying to pull who am I trying to write my compliments to the chef

01:07:30.640 right yeah the whole thing so those would be sort of my initial fears and that they're going to see

01:07:34.020 right through little gifts I always think gifts like who actually like like giving a stranger a

01:07:39.040 gift like who actually responds to that and then I saw this article okay that I'm irritated by the

01:07:44.040 articles Google keeps serving me every time I open the app yeah Google something first of all every

01:07:48.360 article is a optical illusion of a gestalt where you can see two things and then they say if you

01:07:53.360 see this one thing it means this about your personality oh god and i literally see both

01:07:56.840 at the same time instantly yeah of course it's a woman's face intersecting with a flying dog

01:08:02.100 right right right yeah it's a vase and two faces simultaneously so i guess i you know transcend

01:08:09.040 you're off the charts as usual the article was how to how to get special treatment from flight

01:08:13.660 attendants yeah okay yeah and i read the article and it's there's direct quotes and they're saying

01:08:19.240 a little gift never hurts it could be a candy bar okay they also said like say use their name back

01:08:25.580 at them see again i would think if i were like thanks so much jennifer okay that they would

01:08:30.760 almost it would almost be aggressive they don't have their names on their on their uniforms they

01:08:36.240 do sometimes no they do not i've never seen a name tag they go i'm over here at the front

01:08:42.880 jennifer is in the back and we are right you know but your team yeah no but but i think they

01:08:48.980 introduce themselves oh whoa whoa whoa whoa I'm having a memory that actually kind of freaked me

01:08:53.460 out once but I also fucking loved it I was getting on a flight and I was first class because I was

01:08:58.700 being flown by an employer I sit down you're not gonna believe this the flight attendant comes over 0.59

01:09:06.780 to me looks me in the eyes and makes direct reference to a tweet that I had tweeted like

01:09:13.200 that day me and i was like excuse me and i was flooded with at first i was flooded with like

01:09:20.440 almost like abject fear

01:09:22.220 but i was like whoa is this flight attendant is this her way of being like i'm a fan

01:09:31.400 of your comedy or is she googling her ding ding ding ding so yeah so it was well she yeah she

01:09:39.600 never was like I'm a fan but I was like wait what like my face dropped because I was like so

01:09:44.780 confused and then and then I was kind of delighted just thinking of your tweet it was like no no what

01:09:51.020 it was was I had been tweeting about this is years ago I had made some way pre-pug you know and I was

01:09:57.200 tweeting about compression socks or something it was like and she she was she's like well had the

01:10:02.820 compression socks work out for you and i was like dumbfounded and then she and then she never said

01:10:09.640 i don't even know what happened i was like the rest is a memory that is like blurry because i

01:10:14.000 was so stunned emotionally that's a gamble she took and then and then she said something like

01:10:19.320 because i i was like i think i asked her like i'm so sorry but how or like well you know i needed

01:10:25.160 answers and then she said something like well i always look up who's like in the first class cabin

01:10:29.880 or something isn't that wild here's a question is tipping well you know i i of course tried to

01:10:38.660 tip a lifeguard once and my friend was like that's so insulting this lifeguard who i've

01:10:43.460 been boogie boarding wildly for hours and the lifeguard brought me to tears almost i'm sure

01:10:47.880 i brought this up and poog because he came down on his tower i was boogie boarding okay i said

01:10:52.320 that again but time my life and he's like hey look out for and like pointed was like i would

01:10:57.540 kind of keep to the left here because you don't really want to be in that right and I wasn't going

01:11:01.180 far out into the ocean and I was like oh my god my life is being looked over looked out for right

01:11:07.540 now by this person and so and by the way I was at the beach all day and so his eyes are watching

01:11:13.260 me my friend us you know and so I thought god I want to give him a 20 and I was like I think I

01:11:18.760 got to the lifeguard he's been so great my friend was like do not tip him that's crazy okay now what

01:11:24.500 i'm imagining is you walk over to the tower this is what i'm imagining this is how i would have to

01:11:28.680 tip a lifeguard okay and i stuff it under his toe i'm sorry i know i've talked about like i've

01:11:33.660 mentioned male toes multiple times today okay but like that's what i'm picturing because i'm

01:11:39.560 picturing you're at the level of a lifeguard's foot oh so your only option god the the power

01:11:44.500 of like the lifeguard in in high school like the the young lifeguards like i worked at a swim club

01:11:49.680 once door girl didn't have a license okay so it's just the the door girl keep it keeping you know

01:11:54.900 making people pay for their guest passes and whatnot and um for like a teenager to just get

01:11:59.880 to sit up above all in sunglasses with his like like i'm picturing the males okay but like with

01:12:06.300 that like posture yeah yeah the white um you know zinc on the nose and just the absolute sort of

01:12:14.940 cockiness of the lifeguard their silence and the fact that you couldn't see their eyes

01:12:18.500 eye contact stoic that is one of the most outrageous power dynamic absolutely like where

01:12:25.440 else does that exist nowhere else really interesting and they're imbued with like the

01:12:31.120 states the state's authority because there's a license involved absolutely they are absolutely

01:12:35.980 upper like a powerful apparatus of the state that's also such not more of an erotic it's the

01:12:41.820 i was gonna just you go right there honey it's actually one of the it's an apparatus of the

01:12:46.220 state that is so closely linked to sexuality and like the the realm of the erotic that it's like

01:12:52.720 it allows us to fetishize the state in an erotic way it allows us to be and like you yeah it's like

01:12:58.820 this because yes of course it's your nude body let's take a minute with that to be to be sort of

01:13:05.860 a yeah to be a an apparatus of the state of course they're not state they're actually not

01:13:11.940 i know i know but it's a metaphor and you know you know it's it's to be in a swimsuit

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