Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - The Uppermost Pringle

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00:01:05.080 Hi, I'm Kate Berlant.

00:01:06.540 I'm Jacqueline Novak.

00:01:07.640 And this is POOG, an ongoing conversation about wellness between two obsessive friends.

00:01:12.380 Two untamable intellects.

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00:01:19.540 Today's topic, loosely speaking, green smoothies, getting into buildings, psychometry,

00:01:25.540 Hello, America, and other countries.

00:01:30.060 Good morning.

00:01:32.560 Oh, wow.

00:01:34.080 I mean, 10, 20 a.m., I won't lie, I've been up since 6.

00:01:37.180 See, okay.

00:01:37.960 Would you like to know why?

00:01:39.120 So this is, because I've been getting texts from you, and I look at the phone, and you're texting me at 6 a.m., and I'm shocked.

00:01:46.160 You were in the East Coast briefly, and you're getting 9 a.m. texts, and you're going, she's in L.A.

00:01:50.960 Yeah, I'm going, excuse me, what?

00:01:53.140 So what's going on in your world?

00:01:54.660 literally shakes is that a new apple watch are you wearing an apple watch it's not new you wake

00:02:00.120 up at 6 a.m now and you have an apple watch i leave for a week and you've transmutated no it's

00:02:04.840 dead that's an issue for me i'm not a big charger i think the devices should charge themselves

00:02:09.280 i mean i guess the roomba does that it finds its way back to its charger it goes home but i'm just

00:02:15.140 like the fact that it's on me seems outrageous um but anyway honestly shakes smoothies your

00:02:21.140 change my life what do you mean shakes or why you're up at 6 a.m yes okay there's no and 0.76

00:02:26.760 supplements what are you talking about no listen to me i'm soaring what oh oh oh you're gonna die 0.71

00:02:34.120 you're gonna die i had one cup of coffee in a normal cup not even espresso oh you see me all 0.88

00:02:38.800 morning okay hang on hang on hang on truly i leave you for a week okay you leave me for a week and

00:02:43.800 you've transformed what's going on with the smoothies so okay and i think they might even

00:02:48.420 be a you know a sponsor which is hysterical i mean a literal sponsor but um who vegas sent us

00:02:55.200 okay i read the vega guys book a million years ago thrive i believe it was called when i was at a

00:02:59.740 absolute depletion of energy and going maybe it's time to look at nutrition or whatever

00:03:05.140 okay and got on the shakes fell off them and then they sent to us the proteins and uh protein and

00:03:12.480 greens one i'm utilizing is that the chocolate one yes okay because i gotta say i have and i need

00:03:17.740 we need to be dead clear we were not asked to continue to promote this no we need to be dead

00:03:22.220 clear clear okay that we in no way i did like can you integrate vega into the like we like because

00:03:29.180 here i am i actually what's the legality of me criticizing vega because listen i enjoy the

00:03:35.440 chocolate green it tastes good and there's like 20 you know there's like a lot of protein in it

00:03:39.740 but i don't do protein powders because i have fallen afraid of how unscreened they are for

00:03:47.460 heavy metals, various toxins and such. And I haven't done the research to really know where

00:03:53.420 Vega stands and all of that. No, absolutely. I actually could layer on a criticism as well.

00:03:57.700 As far as something that you take. And I say that I drink this smoothie maybe once a week,

00:04:02.940 maybe twice a week. But as far as a daily supplement, if there was something I was

00:04:06.900 taking every day, I'd want to know the heavy metal content. I'd want to know that there's

00:04:10.740 a third party. No, absolutely. And we need to look that up. And this is how you know it's

00:04:15.960 authentic i mean and also i mean this is unbelievable advertising even with you raising

00:04:20.320 those questions and i'm furious that it's even happening i'm furious again where is the 35k

00:04:25.180 although i started 35k like that to me is such a huge amount of money that vega would pay

00:04:30.480 surely they'd pay more oh you mean like you think it's too low right no yeah here i am i'm like i'm

00:04:35.120 like where's my 35k and i'm like shoot higher right jesus they're a massive company it's chump

00:04:40.320 change to them as they say yeah like these people on instagram they're getting 200k to post a photo

00:04:46.460 of them wearing diesel jeans and here i am oh my god is diesel seeking uh partnership opportunities

00:04:53.140 because i had some profound experience well i'll tell this movie and then we can talk about jeans

00:04:57.480 to make me so horny diesel jeans used to you're saying they were well they were yeah they were

00:05:03.180 they meant something but wait i need to hear about the smoothie that you're doing how to change

00:05:06.660 So I was like, I'm getting green smoothies back into my life. Right. And then I was like, oh, I have the Vega powder. You know, I'll throw that in because it does have a series of ingredients that, you know, seem interesting. So throw that shit in there. And then I throw in a bunch of full celery stalks, some greens, some like common organic greens from.

00:05:31.120 give me any details here no the celery i've just been doing fresh just celery okay celery in a

00:05:37.080 smoothie i've never heard well yeah the whole green smoothie because the string contents that

00:05:41.540 sounds awful yeah the string is completely destroyed by here we go folks my ninja

00:05:46.700 oh vitamins versus ninja yeah i mean i mean vitamins obviously you know for a long time

00:05:54.400 has been called the gold standard of blenders you know what i'm scared of because here i go

00:05:58.940 back really quickly to toxic load so i got a vitamix years ago at costco so it was double

00:06:04.280 marched down and then i became awake in the night writhing fearful because the container is of

00:06:10.700 course plastic and i'm like right if you get your vitamix a going and i've made one of my things i

00:06:16.280 did for a while was and by the way when i say i did it for a while i mean i did it exactly twice

00:06:19.800 is that i mean while you're doing it twice you had visions of doing it so many times yeah i had

00:06:24.740 visions of the future. So I was like, well, here I am every Wednesday. And so I did a smoothie,

00:06:30.480 I'm sorry, a soup in the Vitamix, which is kind of thrilling. You know, you saute a lot of broccoli,

00:06:35.260 you throw in there cashews, you have a creamy broccoli, very hot soup, so nutritional yeast,

00:06:39.760 it's hot, it's in the blender. And you start to smell that, smell to smell that plastic,

00:06:44.120 which I've also had happen, even if you're making a smoothie at times, if it's really going for a

00:06:47.960 long time, there's a little bit of a plastic smell. Oh, wow. And then I, of course, did some

00:06:52.300 research and you see people being like they're you're pulverizing plastic you're like you know

00:06:57.200 ingesting microplastics in your smoothies and i began to spiral out of control and was about to

00:07:04.760 throw the vita like heave the vitamix for my home of course didn't and again i don't use it every

00:07:10.500 day but there is some blender that has a stainless steel holder what about glass the future is

00:07:15.760 the future is copper i feel like well yeah but the copper the glass ones i don't believe you can do

00:07:20.640 the high power pulverization rate or whatever yeah okay i'm gonna look at this i'm shocked 0.98

00:07:24.740 that vitamix you know doesn't have a like glass option you know that they charge another fucking

00:07:30.880 300 for or whatever stainless steel what's going on why don't we have a high powered stainless

00:07:36.120 steel blender then i can sleep well for the first time i just i just i mean this reminds me of the

00:07:40.700 conversation about those water boiler things you know and i have a glass one and what do you mean

00:07:45.320 oh you know the little hot kettle things here i go spiraling again because my you know the fuzz

00:07:50.580 as they call it in the UK. It's like the stuff at the bottom of your kettle on the inside. It's

00:07:55.760 like the calcium or whatever mineral buildup. I know it well. So mine has that because the

00:08:00.640 tap water in my house is surely toxic beyond comprehension. And so mine has like so much

00:08:06.640 of that stuff inside. And I saw it once, gasped, threw it into a cabinet, never to return. And

00:08:11.720 then of course dragged it out like, okay, I can't give this up. And now I'm again, terrified.

00:08:15.940 okay so this is huge so okay a couple things one mine also has that too in order to avoid

00:08:21.760 calcification i've started boiling aqua true water okay so by the way i've done that too

00:08:26.640 sometimes when i'm feeling fancy i'm like you know what i'm going to boil purified water for

00:08:29.980 my morning instead of seeing the boiling as the update of the i mean sorry i got distracted i

00:08:35.320 said update um we're taught the boiling is the purification and then you see well you're like

00:08:40.940 Or is it?

00:08:41.940 I mean, that is, sorry, another, they didn't, we're not, they're not a sponsor, but they

00:08:45.540 did send us free machine.

00:08:46.820 I mean, another incredible goddamn thing about the AquaTrue, okay? 0.88

00:08:51.260 Literally, what do they say? 0.98

00:08:52.680 It doesn't filter water.

00:08:53.680 It cleans it.

00:08:54.340 Meaning, I mean, the fact that there's dirty water that you don't use, I mean, they just

00:08:58.800 put it.

00:08:59.020 I just want to be clear to the listener what Jacqueline's referencing is that the AquaTrue,

00:09:02.920 again, if we want to be clear, have not asked us to talk about their product.

00:09:06.240 there's two you pour the water into this basin container it filters it or cleans it and then

00:09:13.220 there's the reservoir of water that they say don't drink now yeah so it's not just like a

00:09:18.200 brita where you're pouring it through right and then toxic black pellets from hell a sense of

00:09:23.200 filtering and then i think those are charcoal i think those are charcoal for years my water

00:09:28.640 peppered with black bits and i just thought well i'm 22 i don't have time to look into this but

00:09:33.040 But the fact that's what's sexy about the aqua chew is that you actually you end up with less water than you started.

00:09:38.460 They filter it out.

00:09:40.220 And now you know what I do to that water?

00:09:42.140 I feed it to my plants.

00:09:43.280 No, I know.

00:09:43.780 I know.

00:09:44.160 I know.

00:09:44.580 And they're fine.

00:09:45.420 Early day.

00:09:45.740 I know that's classic.

00:09:47.200 That is you.

00:09:48.300 OK, to go.

00:09:49.100 They're like, throw away this water.

00:09:50.440 It's toxic.

00:09:51.260 I'm like, well, I'm not going to just fine.

00:09:52.960 That is like so you because it's hysterical because it's like when you say something about someone or something else being fine in that way, like they're fine.

00:10:00.520 like it's the very opposite of how you treat yourself right like you're never like i'm fine

00:10:05.960 i'm fine i mean you are in certain areas but do you know what i mean it's hysterical like if you

00:10:09.880 were a plant you'd be like how dare you dare you i know but also i do think i think plants can take

00:10:16.640 most waters but it's gonna take it they're outside drinking toxic rain water that's polluted with 0.98

00:10:21.940 and they're loving it they're drinking it up like little whores in a pot i really do want to tell 1.00

00:10:28.420 you about the seeds i planted and what they're blooming into and my discovery that things do 0.99

00:10:31.780 grow okay go back to the smoothie no absolutely okay there's so much so hang on so you have

00:10:37.660 celery in there back so i throw celery i throw literally organic girl or whatever any of those 0.90

00:10:43.400 plastic tubs okay i don't go to the farmer's market like you or whatever okay okay i'm trash

00:10:49.440 and i i get a tub and i see the word organic girl and there i go okay i dump those greens in i dump

00:10:55.640 those greens in i need details on the greens it's just her mixed greens mixed power greens she's

00:11:01.020 like our healthiest yet it's just a series of greens i threw in some mustard uh micro greens

00:11:06.240 that i saw at whole foods brilliant micro okay i want to do a whole episode on broccoli sprouts

00:11:10.920 and micro greens because that's the true future sprouts are all we have are they you can quote me

00:11:15.320 on that sprouts are our only chance at survival okay now is that because in terms of nutritional

00:11:20.880 density in terms of nutritional density and in terms of like farming practices for high

00:11:26.580 nutritional density for low i believe water usage right in other words we don't need the whole plant

00:11:32.460 we just need the sprout and you can make sprouts at home you can like sprout sprouts i mean we have

00:11:38.380 to look into i want a free sprouting kit if anyone's listening from sprouts.com or whatever

00:11:42.920 wherever you sprout freaks congregate i want because broccoli sprouts particularly there's

00:11:49.000 this thing oh my god okay so there's like this certain compound and i don't know what it is

00:11:53.640 look it up i don't have your own time folks and it's look it up on your own time folks but it's

00:11:57.920 like it's the thing that is in broccoli okay okay but to get this thing in broccoli you would have

00:12:03.620 to eat so much broccoli but in a broccoli sprout it's available wow it's such a smaller quantity

00:12:09.240 there are people who are like this is the key to like preventing cancer like this is the holy

00:12:13.360 grail of nutrition okay okay that's really interesting i'm gonna see what what is that

00:12:17.360 is and then i'm gonna then i'm gonna go back to mark hyman's book which i consulted since last

00:12:21.320 time i want to shout out comedian and friend greg barris because he's the one who's become a sprout

00:12:25.620 prophet and he told me you should be buying he told me he's like you should be buying a box or

00:12:31.620 two of broccoli sprouts organic broccoli sprouts every week on an empty stomach you eat that you

00:12:36.580 wait 30 minutes before a meal and you just treat it like it's a supplement brilliant okay and he's

00:12:41.180 like you'll live forever essentially and i did it exactly once is it crucerra sgs okay let's see

00:12:46.220 no exactly what are broccoli sprouts i'm just looking i mean there are mixes you can get

00:12:50.940 powders but you know uh in a pinch as soon as something's in a powder form i'm out the window

00:12:56.180 i'm getting scared as soon as i see a vitamin i'm out i see a vitamin i go who's screening that

00:13:01.400 what's going on with what's going on with the heavy metal load right is this bio available i

00:13:05.340 just don't vitamins for me i i just you also said supplements we got to get back on the smoothie i'm

00:13:10.640 sorry i keep taking away i want you're putting in greens and i want to say something to you which

00:13:15.040 I'm curious that immediately, because when I make smoothies, I'm using greens, I'm using frozen

00:13:19.380 greens, which actually, I know people, there's a misconception here. I love it. Give it to me.

00:13:23.440 It's huge for berries. That's why I've been getting frozen berries for my smoothie as well.

00:13:27.240 Yes. There's a huge misconception that somehow frozen vegetables or frozen fruits maybe have

00:13:32.000 like degraded nutritional content. Quite the opposite is the truth, folks. In fact,

00:13:36.080 they are harvested and immediately frozen. So frozen vegetables and fruits have a higher,

00:13:41.920 I repeat higher nutritional content than that blessed bunch of fresh greens on the grocery

00:13:47.880 shelf. I'm sorry. It's true. And so for a smoothie, this is when you can really optimize

00:13:51.660 and you can receive those frozen and also it's frozen. So it's for a smoothie. It's perfect.

00:13:56.440 Yes. So I'm interested in you. What frozen items are you using in the smoothie?

00:14:00.340 Berry mixes again, common supermarket, but frozen berry mixes. Okay.

00:14:04.880 And organic because berries, you've got to do organic. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but I worry though,

00:14:09.200 because i see organic and i'm like but they didn't say i'm like you know this is a thing but organic

00:14:13.140 like only means certain things right it doesn't mean other things like you need to see like

00:14:16.640 organic non-gmo not not like i can't tell you know no no no no no but a lot of gmo stuff you're safe

00:14:23.580 well it depends but you know it's greenwashing as they say they'll be like hey look at this gmo

00:14:29.060 free right you know pineapple and you're like there was never going to be no right classic

00:14:33.480 well kick cereal you know kicks like oh yeah they're like i actually appreciated this i didn't

00:14:38.120 actually minus they're like gluten-free as we've always been because they're like made of corn or

00:14:42.060 whatever you know what i mean they're not made of like you know vegan something about that just

00:14:46.060 made me so depressed like the kicks family like i'm picturing like i know exactly what you're

00:14:50.840 picturing the farm you're picturing the farm i'm picturing like a family and they're like at this

00:14:54.780 like they're all at their table and they're like and like the grandson is like in a suit

00:14:59.280 like a slicked back hair and it's like papa i saw that you put the gluten-free label on the box and

00:15:05.700 they're like well they've always been gluten-free son but times are changing i mean i see them

00:15:09.480 the kicks family and this is like somehow they've taken on a very are you feeling bad for the kicks

00:15:14.560 family like in the sense that modernity is leaving them or whatever like they're being

00:15:19.920 left in the dust like they were so proud first of all i believe they are general mills imagine

00:15:24.960 the general mills people coming over with the paperwork for the kicks family

00:15:28.660 like welcome the idea that every cereal in general mills is a family like that like and the daughters

00:15:34.660 in the doorway she doesn't want to sign the daughter doesn't want to sign over to general

00:15:38.000 mills she wants to maintain the kicks autonomy and she sees her father with the ballpoint pen

00:15:43.080 signing and she goes and she runs up the stairs to her bed throws herself on the bed

00:15:47.520 and then no no i'm with you it's paul f tomkins in um in there will be blood i think doesn't he

00:15:52.900 try to make them sign sign away the farm it's um it's uh six feet under you know when that

00:15:58.000 they're going to come buy out the um oh my god what's it called i call myself a six-feet under

00:16:02.080 fan i know but sometimes you know it so well it slips god damn it it's left me yeah okay so

00:16:07.480 it's gonna drive me crazy one concept of the plastics in the smoothie i understand pouring 0.60

00:16:12.900 boiling soup in there the risk of the plastic melting thing not boiling but i don't know about

00:16:19.300 i'm confused why you're smelling plastic when you're just blending fruit are you sure you're

00:16:23.680 not smelling the motor yeah i'm smelling the motor smelling the motor but i know that motor

00:16:27.380 smell that's what i'm smelling yeah i love that i need to confirm because to me that smell means

00:16:31.700 milkshake it will always mean milkshake okay hang on hang on hang on i need to go back so

00:16:36.120 frozen berries frozen berries greens celery this is just whatever i've got around right

00:16:42.180 some form of liquid whether it's almond milk or this um what else have i used i don't know

00:16:47.080 literally just throw some you know classic uh water in there i know water actually works folks

00:16:52.640 when i was doing my classic mark hyman smoothie i was this is so this is like my old life

00:16:57.320 by the way the pegan shake is the pegan shake you know he's a pegan pagan oh wait isn't it

00:17:02.760 it's either i like saying pagan oh that's hysterical no i guess it's pegan because

00:17:08.880 it's something that's a mixture of paleo and vegan right so his whole thing which i really

00:17:13.320 do agree with i really do think it's the way to eat i mean my preferred mode of diet is

00:17:17.520 mediterranean diet right right and of course it's because i hail from the mediterranean hemisphere

00:17:22.360 but you're eating for your blood type but i just want to say there was a time in my life when i was

00:17:27.320 throwing organic almonds into the Vitamix first with water, making fresh almond milk. And from

00:17:32.140 that was the base onto which my smoothie d'alfe lay. Wow. And now I've been addicted to oat milk,

00:17:37.360 which is a highly processed food, which I have committed to getting off of in the next year.

00:17:41.780 I'm so confused by why people turn to oats. I mean, other than for vegan reasons. Well,

00:17:46.000 I guess because... So creamy, but oat milk and not all oat milks are alike, but like,

00:17:51.220 God damn, Oatly really did something. They really did something. But what did they do? 0.97

00:17:56.320 I mean, they provided a vegan milk. 0.79

00:17:57.920 They made something so goddamn creamy, we couldn't live anymore without it. 0.71

00:18:00.960 So is all milk. 0.94

00:18:02.840 What am I missing here?

00:18:04.180 I don't know what to say.

00:18:05.640 You mean it's better?

00:18:07.160 You just mean it's tastier?

00:18:08.220 If you buy—

00:18:09.020 It's just interesting to want to drink oats when grains are the downfall of America.

00:18:15.960 Like I said, I'm trying to wean off of it in the next 365 days.

00:18:20.520 I have grown addicted to Oatly in my little frother in the morning.

00:18:24.460 It fills me with glee.

00:18:25.360 but i can't be pouring that into smoothies i can't be there's canola oil i think some of them

00:18:30.800 have palm oil which is you know responsible for deforestation and also heart problems i don't

00:18:36.220 know but um okay almonds have issues but yeah but but but but almonds are bad but so let's wrap up

00:18:42.320 the smoothie so i just i want to get off the smoothie and we can find a new base upon doth

00:18:46.960 delay okay um i know it's the misuse of doth you know what i did okay um so yeah it's that it's i

00:18:54.680 mean it's very simple but it's just i want some freshly crushed cellular structure of the greens

00:19:00.100 must be crushed i'm pro smoothie over juice from the green smoothie solution book i read 10 years

00:19:05.660 ago and they say that even if you straight up just add that to your diet change nothing else

00:19:10.440 you know you'll have all sorts of benefits and the energy i have been living with there have been

00:19:16.540 days where i've almost had no coffee okay and i'm desperate for it i'm desperate for it because i

00:19:21.240 love the taste this is on and i've meditated twice a day all week twice a day all week 1.00

00:19:25.900 and we'll talk about it after the break how many how many minutes 20 to 36 you bitch twice yeah 1.00

00:19:32.380 stop yeah no jacqueline we're going to break we're going to break going to break 0.96

00:19:36.280 this is rider strong and i have a new podcast called the red weather it was many and many a

00:19:46.120 year ago in a kingdom by the sea in 1995 my neighbor anna trainer disappeared from a commune

00:19:52.860 it was hard to wrap your head around it was nature and trees and praying and drugs no i am not your

00:19:59.860 guru and back then i lied to my parents i lied to police i lied to everybody there were years

00:20:07.500 right where i could not say your name i've decided to go back to my hometown in northern california

00:20:12.080 interview my friends, family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can to try to find out

00:20:16.940 what actually happened. Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods

00:20:21.280 and not the obvious boyfriend? They have had this case for 30 years. I'll teach you sons of

00:20:26.940 to come around here and my wife. Boom, boom. This is The Red Weather. Listen to The Red Weather 1.00

00:20:34.420 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:20:42.080 i am you know what i'm actually not jealous i'm i'm excited for you and i'm impressed

00:20:50.140 and i am shocked to my core so you mean to tell me yeah you're meditating 20 to 30 minutes twice

00:20:56.440 yeah you're doing the green smoothies you said supplements now where are these coming from oh

00:21:02.300 right i didn't even talk about the supplements so last week we touched upon or we touched recently

00:21:08.980 on on mark hyman um i i can no longer remember real life versus poo i need mark to reach out

00:21:14.480 i'm gonna i'm gonna dm mark huge celeb crush we need to dm mark i don't believe we tagged him

00:21:19.980 when we discussed him on the on the app we need to tag i'm just devastated to think of mark hyman

00:21:25.320 waltzing around his life not knowing that we're talking about him and that you refer to him as a

00:21:30.780 touchstone. So I revisited a couple, a couple, I revisited a couple of his books that I, you know,

00:21:39.780 had from the past. He has a podcast I listened to exactly once. Oh, wow. I mean, called like

00:21:45.180 the pharmacy, F-A-R-M. Yeah, I could see. I could see that. I mean, so I went into his book and I

00:21:53.120 decided I look, I need energy and I need it now. I have a lot to get done. I'm actually this is a

00:21:58.260 moment where i have to go into hyper productivity mode okay which is an old sweet spot for me

00:22:04.000 and i've learned that you know i have to start with the body if i'm going to support any of that

00:22:08.220 i got to get that shit together so i start reading reading his stuff i get back on the pgx fiber 0.94

00:22:13.980 supplement he recommends okay you know pgx is a glucomannan uh come again glucomannan okay oh 0.98

00:22:20.620 yeah yeah yeah it's a fiber it sort of expands on the stomach so it makes you feel fuller longer

00:22:27.980 but it's like whatever it has benefits it's supposed to lower blood sugar along with you

00:22:34.160 know you take it before you eat and it's all that kind of stuff whatever so i'm back on that

00:22:37.820 for regularity i i think it must yeah i think it must and then i've been doing um synchro brand

00:22:45.200 okay which i i got into via their keto coconut butter chocolate um stuff and i'm on two of their

00:22:54.260 supplements micro i forgot what it is but it's it's a probiotic okay okay that at the time i

00:23:00.600 was very convinced by whatever the fuck was on their website and i still like it and liposomal

00:23:05.600 um turmeric with black pepper of course in the formula bioavailable um in the you know it's like 0.98

00:23:14.860 a little liquid inside of a gel cap so you're not swallowing it right i mean i just i'm proud

00:23:21.000 of you i'm excited for you i mean the text is 6 a.m there's more oh god and there's more so it's

00:23:27.420 wait there's another supplement back on fish oil which you know my psychiatrist recommended to me

00:23:31.720 in the in the late 60s god damn it i still need to get on fish oil fish oil is not a joke it's a

00:23:39.660 non-negotiable it's a non-negotiable for the love of god i know you already texted to me please 0.59

00:23:44.120 remind me yeah i need to know which fish oil yeah you do and you don't have to worry about

00:23:50.300 fish burps yeah weren't you worried about fish burps yeah i was worried about it affecting the

00:23:56.300 way you might smell or taste in every regard i mean i don't know i guess yeah i guess it could 0.99

00:24:01.240 come out of your like pores have you tasted your vagina after no no but you know i don't think it 0.99

00:24:10.860 carries that far i mean you eat fish well you'd be surprised i can't answer that for you but i 1.00

00:24:16.420 i'll look and i'll research it in the night while you're writhing out in fear i'll reach out to you

00:24:21.340 3 a.m um because that's when i google things that friends talk about in the day late in the night

00:24:26.840 i'm like i oh you know what i enjoy googling friends medical conditions and trying to find

00:24:31.480 solutions i know that you do actually it's really fun so synchro's microbiome thing their turmeric

00:24:36.640 with the black pepper fish oil the pgx fiber supplement jesus christ and lance armstrong

00:24:43.240 over here a couple other mark hyman recommended probiotics because he recommends this one

00:24:48.840 particular strain in addition to these other strains so you got to get the 14 billion we need

00:24:54.200 to get hyman we need to be in hyman's pocket i mean we're already in his pocket we need him in

00:24:58.180 ours we sure do and if you can hear this thank you we need you mark okay we need you and and

00:25:03.460 anyway yeah so i'm on supplements i'm soaring um you know i i want to know how long give me real

00:25:10.040 numbers here because again i left for a week to come back you're a different person yeah so have

00:25:14.360 you been doing the supplements and the smoothies for literally at least a week absolutely yeah okay

00:25:19.140 and this is you know dates for my show are going to be going on the books so to speak okay and

00:25:24.840 announcements coming soon get on the mailing list yeah okay jokesnovac.com jokesnovac.com okay you

00:25:29.660 get it okay but the point is this is pump up time now for me of course no that's great it's getting

00:25:35.420 and shake it's all that so that's why i'm so like we got to do this right great i'm still not ready

00:25:41.460 to do yoga in a state where i'm doing nothing but doing yoga i have to get back into my body and so

00:25:47.320 what i've been doing is throwing on a still spiritual kind of whatever video program like

00:25:55.640 a dr joe dispenza who i'm who i'm back on his work um you never sent me the video oh wow so

00:26:01.160 that was very accusatory. Please send it. I will. And I'm back on the Carolyn Maze. I'm watching all

00:26:07.740 these videos and I'm doing the yoga, the yoga video that I know and love. It's on silent. It's

00:26:12.420 on a small screen on the floor while I'm watching something else on the big screen. I'm doing it. So

00:26:16.560 it is not I am not bringing consciousness to my yoga at the moment. However, I'm doing it. And so

00:26:22.700 who cares right now? I'm doing it versus doing nothing. You know, of course, pleasure principle,

00:26:27.140 you know watch deep impact while doing yoga do whatever you need listen i've been off poga

00:26:31.700 i was traveling i was in new york i was having steak free and martinis every night i wasn't

00:26:37.960 doing my yoga i feel it okay my body's changed in a week it's not terrifying oh so you've had

00:26:42.840 the opposite week right i've had the opposite i mean you've had and i have a rash and i have a

00:26:47.500 rash what kind okay so i not to brag don't get skin rashes eczema rosacea these things yes i

00:26:55.600 don't have allergies per se i'm in new york i start scratching my neck i don't think about it

00:27:01.060 i come home three days later look in the mirror i go uh holy shit there's this rash on my neck

00:27:07.420 on my throat kind of onto my decretage yesterday i call my doctor help he goes i want you to come

00:27:14.300 in because by the way i started to have anxiety i had the rash right and then i google and it's

00:27:18.740 like rash accompanied by shortness of breath and i started to have anxiety and started to be walking

00:27:23.960 And then I put my phone somewhere and couldn't find it.

00:27:26.280 And then I was walking around, couldn't find my phone, started to breathe heavily.

00:27:29.360 And I was like, I'm going to asphyxiate right here.

00:27:32.440 I can't find my phone.

00:27:34.100 Which is always great for the breath.

00:27:36.060 Which is always great for the breath.

00:27:37.200 The fear of losing the breath.

00:27:38.860 I truly did some breathing exercises.

00:27:40.980 I calmed down.

00:27:42.120 And then also it was like stiff neck, go to the hospital.

00:27:44.880 I took a weird nap the previous day.

00:27:46.400 So my neck was stiff.

00:27:47.260 And then I started to conflate the stiff neck from the nap to the rash.

00:27:50.800 I go to the doctor.

00:27:52.320 He looks at it.

00:27:53.280 he examines me he's like hmm he's like i think it's soraya rosea okay he said it's totally

00:27:59.580 common doesn't mean anything it's um just like a skin rash it's not contagious he's like it just

00:28:06.340 there's nothing we can really do it just kind of goes away but he goes it could get a lot worse

00:28:10.760 before it gets better wow oh also i'll just note that i love this doctor i was out of it i was on

00:28:16.160 the examination table you know how it elevates electronically so he elevated the examination

00:28:20.060 table to take a look and then he goes oh can i see your stomach like i want to see and i start

00:28:24.560 to get up and he goes oh you don't have to get up and i fly off the table i forgot that i was

00:28:28.760 elevated so i stepped down i fly off the table i fling into him so hard he screams like he's like

00:28:35.360 jesus christ i like completely yes he said jesus christ i flew at him and he honestly he was a

00:28:43.980 little amused but he was a little like disturbed i think i think you forgot you were so high up

00:28:48.320 so you kind of fell i forgot and then i was like i'm sorry i forgot that i thought i forgot they

00:28:52.160 elevated me i thought i was just gonna step off but instead i flew into his arms and then did he

00:28:58.380 understand yes but he was actually a little like disturbed i think or he didn't love it which is

00:29:03.300 heartbreaking to me yeah i'm not pleased i'm not pleased with this i mean he was fine he's he's a

00:29:08.600 doll he was fine but i think i genuinely like scared him he was not expecting it and i was

00:29:12.960 like, has that ever happened? He was like, never. So I, and I, um, he wants me to get a second

00:29:19.160 opinion. He, I go, I go get the second opinion from the dermatologist up the street. He looks

00:29:23.740 at me a little more intensely. God, I love the doctor. I just got to say people looking at me

00:29:27.240 with their magnifying glasses and checking them checking my breathing. It feels so you'd love it.

00:29:33.280 Cause once you're there, listen, I got to tell you about yesterday about my, uh, lasering of

00:29:38.260 my rosacea okay go on but can you believe that i have this rash i just want to say that it could

00:29:43.660 continue to be and i quote the doctor a christmas tree formation on my torso terrifying the derm said

00:29:50.320 christmas tree yeah i said he could have like a christmas tree like formation on your stomach or

00:29:54.760 this will just be it you're manifesting christmas imagery on your body because you're desperate for

00:30:02.280 it anyway so you're on top of the world i'm like sluggish and have a christmas tree rash okay i

00:30:09.640 went to the derm for the first time almost ever wow i still can't believe that and i wanted to

00:30:16.680 get checks photograph the moles i assume i don't think he photographed i think he just did a full

00:30:21.700 skin check i mean he did a full skin check whatever okay said i'm good to go um and then

00:30:26.420 i was like talking about my cheek um redness you know and the broken capillaries i know you had

00:30:32.680 some broken capillaries looked at and um yeah and i asked i posed the question i said what what can

00:30:37.700 be done and he was like it's rosacea i'm like how dare you yeah i'm like i'm like isn't it kind of

00:30:42.500 like a combo of that and and some broken capillaries he's like that is what rosacea is he's

00:30:46.740 like it's a capillary whatever so he was amazing first of all i loved him okay i'll decide in the

00:30:53.520 future eps whether or not to reveal his name okay i don't know maybe he's doesn't want to be promoted

00:30:58.320 so anyway and i'm like could you do that now because i don't know if i can come back whatever

00:31:03.580 and he's like well i could do it now but no numbing cream then like or no numbing like it

00:31:08.760 takes longer if you're gonna you know i'm gonna numb you up and then and he's like i mean i've

00:31:13.140 done it with no numbing he's like i mean you know i was a huge wimp but it's doable and i was like

00:31:17.720 okay let's do it can you believe my courage i'm impressed yeah i love it and then i was like what

00:31:23.380 is the pain he kept saying it was like it was like someone slapping it's like like a smart thing he

00:31:28.880 didn't say smart but this kind of heard this yeah snap snap snap i had that no i had that too that's

00:31:34.280 what i had on my broken capillaries so what happened for me was you know he covers my eyes

00:31:38.620 he put some stuff on and then he comes in with the thing and even though my eyes are covered it's a

00:31:42.860 really bright light really bright like a fire light that was actually what i hated the most

00:31:46.620 the yeah this is got me excited because i did it and the woman goes after goes she goes you have a

00:31:51.220 high pain tolerance which got me like really excited yeah but the most uncomfortable part

00:31:56.220 by far was the flashing light because i'm like have a fear of being blinded so i was like well

00:32:02.900 this is it there was something about it was like because there's the sharp sort of focused little

00:32:08.480 piece of fire has hit your face feeling right with every poke right but the flashing light it's like

00:32:14.620 my eyes are closed the pain has a visual to me right the pain itself is like this sharp like

00:32:20.340 black dot in the center then of this bright red light that is making it through my eyelids and

00:32:25.680 i'm like without the bright light it would just be a dot but the bright lights making the pain

00:32:30.740 like larger intensifies it agreed but it was thrilling my adrenaline was soaring it was

00:32:36.060 exciting to be on the table my feet swinging back and forth do you instantly feel like a child when

00:32:40.940 you're in the um in the robe because i'm brought back to childhood instantly no swinging the legs

00:32:46.340 yeah absolutely exposed knee there's something um are your socks on no they had me get dressed to

00:32:52.260 do that because they already done the skin check so i got dressed to do the got it i was a bit

00:32:55.920 chatty i was a bit chatty you know like i couldn't stop i can't stop chatting when i'm on the he asked

00:33:01.000 me about like so what kind of comedy do you do and but then he was really going right then it

00:33:06.660 was really getting intense and I was like um and then I was like silent and then I was like

00:33:11.400 I'm deciding I can't talk right now how do you feel about the where they try to talk to you like

00:33:17.300 they talk to you to like like I'm like why don't you focus on what you're doing and I'll focus on

00:33:21.640 receiving it how about that oh my god let's not chat what if I say something that triggers an

00:33:27.140 old memory you space out you're thinking about your ex I mean truly we know thoughts arise right

00:33:35.140 we don't we can't control thoughts yes you know so why am i gonna i'm like please no i guess the

00:33:41.420 idea that you can control thoughts we can't control feelings i don't know whatever no thoughts come in

00:33:46.260 the night and they come in the day and they come when you're holding a high-powered laser over 0.57

00:33:49.720 someone's goddamn nose yes so i'm like why don't we both just focus here it's a little let's you 0.89

00:33:55.140 know completely else i mean and i feel like that what they try to do and i'm like i feel like a 0.98

00:33:59.660 gynecologist maybe also like they're like on the slipping of the speculum or whatever in

00:34:04.580 they try to distract you with like a little chat and i'm like i just want to sit here and brace for

00:34:10.060 the pain like because i don't like the surprise you know pain i've always preferred not to rip

00:34:15.760 a band-aid off right i'd rather experience it yeah the there's that weird feeling of being 0.66

00:34:20.520 startled by pain that you're experiencing it you know it's shit um but anyway it was exciting i 0.88

00:34:25.700 just excited to tell you about me going to the derm you know what i mean yeah 24 parking that 0.97

00:34:31.520 is just vile can you believe it if you spend seven dollars in the lobby coffee shop she'll give you

00:34:36.280 an hour free anyway that's why i'm always on the hunt for street parking any doctor actually i had

00:34:42.340 this thought yesterday fighting my way to the doctor's office tell me if this resonates for

00:34:45.380 you yes getting i wrote it down getting into buildings is impossible both physically and

00:34:51.340 emotionally impossible okay absolutely you're going to 42029 wilshire boulevard floor 502

00:34:59.640 i am immediately the anxiety starts agreed the parking what and then where's the front of the

00:35:05.920 building i go in there they it's getting into buildings is impossible impossible and it demands 0.94

00:35:12.020 so much not only physically but psychologically and emotionally to feel lost to feel stupid

00:35:17.620 where am i going you're looking at the directory it is impossible you get off the elevator which

00:35:23.820 way do i go sure they have this slide with they have the oh the numbers this number is it that

00:35:28.100 way. Really? Cause it doesn't feel like it can be that easy. And guess what? It rarely is. I'm

00:35:33.000 going that way. I'm doubling back. I'm lost. By the way, I have on more than one occasion called

00:35:39.700 the office while I'm on the correct floor. I get very lost and I used to be ashamed. I'm not

00:35:46.980 anymore. I'm like, you people make this hell. No, you shouldn't be. You're the consumer. Okay.

00:35:51.700 okay and you can state your your you know whatever no i cannot tell you how much i agree um yesterday

00:35:59.460 for example you know we were finally able to locate the correct parking garage for that given

00:36:04.820 building okay okay we go away because me and chris went together to get our checks together

00:36:09.140 the whole thing and um and by the way they said they'd do us as a couple like in the room together

00:36:13.960 like checking our skin i was just like that's insane i was like let's just go separate you

00:36:19.360 know what i mean like like i'd happily micromanage his appointment you know what i mean yeah but i

00:36:25.360 like whatever so you know we manage we get into the garage okay and we like p3 and we're memorizing

00:36:30.860 okay it's like c3po it's like you know we're memorizing my phone is the numbers photos of

00:36:35.440 where i'm parked photos before c2 we realized that there is apps you know when you park and

00:36:41.040 there's absolutely no glass vestibule with an elevator in sight okay and you're like i guess

00:36:46.260 i'm gonna have to walk out the garage the way i came oh my god like an animal yeah like an animal

00:36:52.060 like like duck under the bar and just emerge into the harsh sun so we're like we're like i guess

00:36:58.600 we're gonna have to leave the garage and find our way to the as you say front of the building okay

00:37:04.040 the entrance so we're we're hauling ass oh no and first we tried using stair the stairs in the garage

00:37:11.140 okay and i was climbing climbing the stairs like many floors i'm exhausted yeah then we had to duck

00:37:17.220 and just get to the outside the building re-enter there's a gorgeous you know lcd plasma screen

00:37:23.440 directory and yet right you know useless okay and chris was like it's sweet 802 or whatever and he's

00:37:30.040 like so it's the eighth floor we can just go to the the thing and i'm like not so sure because

00:37:34.420 sometimes these days you can't just get in the elevator okay they have to program it in from

00:37:39.300 the front you know i'm saying where they send you to a particular bank that happened to me yesterday

00:37:43.020 i checked in the front i'm going to doctor whoever they go you know floor three i get in

00:37:48.100 and i pause going is she gonna shoot me up the shaft

00:37:51.920 i'm dying i'm dying not to mention the anxiety i actually i actually had a moment where i was

00:38:00.720 there was a full guy in scrubs going up entering we entered the building at the same time he goes

00:38:04.920 since the elevator i paused the directory at the directory flooded with anxiety flooded with fear

00:38:09.740 i go he's probably waiting for he's wondering is she going to find it in time so i kind of

00:38:14.100 motion my hand go ahead go ahead because i didn't want the anxiety leave me and then right at that

00:38:19.360 moment i see it and i turned i look behind very sweet man in scrubs holding the door for me he's

00:38:24.740 assuming i'll wait for her however long it takes i of course the whole ride had to talk about it's

00:38:28.920 so hard with the directory and he's you know smiles politely he's not interested he didn't

00:38:33.480 You didn't get any big laughs off him?

00:38:34.980 I could see a crinkling of the eyes from the mask.

00:38:37.900 I feel like that is your dream of, you know, we got to break.

00:38:40.600 We got to break.

00:38:41.500 But it is your dream of people falling in love with you in public places.

00:38:44.200 Yes, okay.

00:38:45.020 Right when we get back.

00:38:45.720 Right when we get back.

00:38:49.980 This is Ryder Strong, and I have a new podcast called The Red Weather.

00:38:53.880 It was many and many a year ago in a kingdom by the sea.

00:38:59.340 In 1995, my neighbor, Anna Trainor, disappeared from a commune.

00:39:03.020 It was hard to wrap your head around.

00:39:04.420 It was nature and trees and praying and drugs.

00:39:08.040 So no, I am not your guru.

00:39:11.820 And back then, I lied to my parents, I lied to police, I lied to everybody.

00:39:16.700 There were years, right, where I could not say your name.

00:39:19.480 I've decided to go back to my hometown in Northern California, interview my friends,

00:39:23.300 family, talk to police, journalists, whomever I can, to try to find out what actually happened.

00:39:28.540 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over hippies in the woods and not the obvious

00:39:32.420 boyfriend they have had this case for 30 years i'll teach you sons of to come around here and

00:39:38.180 my wife boom boom this is the red weather listen to the red weather on the iheart radio app apple

00:39:46.180 podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts welcome back welcome back i just i feel like that way i

00:39:57.220 just want to cover a few more elevator tricks okay and concerns and buildings because there's

00:40:02.200 a smell. There's a lot going on. Um, actually, no, I got nothing. Sorry. I lost it. We moved

00:40:09.000 on. I was just quickly wanted to say my mother once was in an elevator, I believe with Mick

00:40:13.340 Jagger. This is like in the sixties. Okay. Yes. It's just that idea of hyper celebrity in that

00:40:18.780 way. You're just in an elevator, but for someone else, that was the day they, you know, rode the

00:40:22.300 elevator with Mick Jagger. It's just, I mean, the, the primacy of the elevator pitch as a concept,

00:40:28.440 right right i mean it's literally the term for a you know a short pitch an undertoned pitch

00:40:33.580 yeah and that's all about you know getting in the oh you step in the elevator at the william

00:40:39.540 morris talent agency right and this is your chance or whatever it's like and you know what's so

00:40:44.460 haunting about that is that there's truth to it that's why it's a kind of persistent idea i know

00:40:49.840 i know there is that thing of like you flash a smile you do something wild and people go who's

00:40:54.920 that kid get me them i need whatever they have no i mean well i think i think you have that you have 0.96

00:41:00.820 that magic absolutely okay you are turn it on dazzle and they go holy shit i've never tasted 0.99

00:41:07.140 it i need more okay they instantly want more you are a chip okay you're pringle you can't just have 0.88

00:41:12.540 one i mean you can't have just one oh my god i feel so loved which is so fascinating as an idea

00:41:16.780 as a marketing campaign that i think they've abandoned it pringles you know you can't once

00:41:22.180 too pop you can't stop i guess or whatever i forget which one i mean that's literally like

00:41:25.980 like the truth of the addiction of you know grain and sugar corn yeah okay they're they're yeah

00:41:31.660 they're they're promoting their own corn disease i mean it's like cigarette like you know like

00:41:37.500 camel cigarettes once you start smoking them you just won't be able to stop yeah totally it's like 0.83

00:41:42.740 yeah i know it's a problem with chips do you enjoy a pringle because i have something to say about

00:41:47.260 them actually no i didn't think you would by the way when i was a kid sure you know you put the

00:41:53.520 you make a duck mouth out of them you know you put one yes you know you're familiar clowning

00:41:57.680 clowning yeah yeah and the packaging is brilliant thank you because each because that tube of the

00:42:04.660 pringles and then each pringle is preserved as kind of a holy sacrament if you will and so

00:42:11.540 there's kind of this preciousness about the individual chip that is smart no because take

00:42:19.880 a can of pringles right empty them out into a traditional big chip bag exactly shake it around

00:42:24.760 fill it with air yeah good luck okay what do you have i mean the baked lays the exactly and

00:42:30.600 you think about the shape of a pringle which is almost like i feel like the shape of a pringle

00:42:35.600 verges on a kind of like sacred geometry right because it's like what even is is it like it's

00:42:39.840 almost like a yeah why is that drawing i'm like yeah yeah you're right i'm like there's like a

00:42:44.080 wave function unfolding okay in the like no it is poetic and the way that they all are stacked

00:42:50.560 is like it's remarkable then the stacking that's so beautiful that there's this shape but they can

00:42:55.420 fold in on themselves in that way that they support each other in that shape every pringle

00:43:01.380 carries another pringle i mean except for the two on the end the heroes the two one on the bottom

00:43:06.540 the one on the bottom is like the witch you know saying more weight more weight is like collapsing

00:43:12.240 the witch is being tortured i mean you know what i mean

00:43:16.740 more weight more weight and then the pringle on the top i feel like is the baby of the family

00:43:23.140 that they're like we lift you up yeah exactly it's the aries of the group yeah or like god

00:43:28.600 imagine but and then all the pringles in the middle i mean they're just i want to be in the

00:43:32.540 middle baby you want to be the middle in the middle as a pringle i guess that's what i mean

00:43:36.700 it's what everyone wants you want to be held up and pressed down on from below simultaneously

00:43:40.320 i want to be in the middle i want to be where it's at oh i want to be in the heat of it

00:43:44.080 feeling screaming pringles on both sides yeah yeah no absolutely the din of conversation top

00:43:51.720 pringle doesn't even know is it even a pringle maybe it might not be a pringle

00:43:56.220 it doesn't even know oh right because it carries nothing oh my god because the top

00:44:02.200 pringle carries nothing it does not realize it too is being carried you see what i'm saying

00:44:06.140 because it doesn't understand because it doesn't have to hold anyone no it's completely it's

00:44:10.980 innocence it's blinded by its own innocence it just believes we're all we're all held up yeah

00:44:15.880 it's actually a very lonely experience being the top pringle bottom pringle and everyone talking

00:44:19.840 behind you the murmur behind you that you can barely participate in every pringle also

00:44:24.760 hears the murmur behind it right but they you only are capable of hearing the murmur

00:44:30.660 once you understand once you mystically perceive that there is carrying happening which you do

00:44:36.380 not understand if you yourself do not carry so that is like really heavy and then the bottom

00:44:41.420 pringle i feel every other pringle has consciousness of the group i think the bottom one is also

00:44:49.060 relegated to a kind of senseless i mean no one carries the bottom oh no but you know what the

00:44:53.780 bottom one has yeah as its friend the can the can by the way here's a question here's a huge

00:44:59.580 question how does the bottom of the can not break the cellular structure of that pringle and

00:45:04.060 therefore radiate upward cracking ricocheting up creating chaos because i have news for you

00:45:08.780 i don't recall an orthotic at the bottom of that can i do not recall support

00:45:14.900 wait maybe it's like no how jacqueline if you shake a pringle skin if you do one kind of violent

00:45:23.200 motion yeah yeah i guess they shatter but what is the transport are these are the trucks on springs

00:45:28.460 how are they transferring how are they sharing how are they transporting these pringles across

00:45:33.040 state lines well when something's packed in like a packed suitcase what'd you catch in the mirror

00:45:37.980 there you caught something in your beautiful westman atelier listen i was looking at my skin

00:45:42.400 i was going god it's looking pretty good today and i'm like is it the biologique the full return

00:45:46.540 to biology but continue sorry i want to go back the pringles what are you apologizing for no i

00:45:51.200 was excited to point out that westman atelier because i've seen you hold that compact before

00:45:55.760 during poog and then i was at your house and i picked it up and i was shocked by the weight it's

00:46:00.160 my home compact it's it's heavy yeah which i was blown away by and impressed by has a real weight

00:46:04.920 to it four red tones so yeah i'm not sure about how i'm like well packed suitcase when things are

00:46:10.500 packed together no but that's the thing maybe the geometry of the pringle that shape is somehow a

00:46:16.440 shape that like sustains itself something's up something's up no they've definitely done some

00:46:22.400 sacred geometry as you said or some kind of design something's going on that we can't see

00:46:26.940 a lot more is going on than we've been told i watched a documentary in the vein of um

00:46:32.220 sorry in a vein of like a what the bleep do we know for example okay it appeared on i don't know

00:46:38.300 amazon or something and i was like well that's for me and it's like all these psychic experiments

00:46:43.860 and but they bring in you know scientists and they measure and they see and it was pretty

00:46:48.420 satisfying and i'll find the title yeah and i'll reference it in the future but it got me back on

00:46:53.820 to wanting to charge up my water with uh words oh yeah i'm back in baby i'm back in okay everything

00:47:02.140 maybe i'll do some water charging this week put a word under your bed under a candles classic

00:47:06.880 right ritualization um when i was in the eighth grade i stole the school id from a boy that i

00:47:12.800 thought was cute and i slept with it under my pillow for weeks nothing happened that's interesting

00:47:17.920 under your pillow concept I mean what is that I love that it's very appealing well you know what

00:47:25.300 it is I think the idea of doing psychic work in your sleep on the level of the subconscious right

00:47:32.400 is appealing absolutely like setting the intention um you know someone sent us it was beautiful and

00:47:39.160 we've posted but a beautiful silk dyed pillowcase and it was so kind because they sent one to me

00:47:46.540 one to you and they use the same plant dye on both and they wrote a beautiful note saying you

00:47:51.360 know you and kate can sleep on this and maybe beautiful like the plant dyes will connect you

00:47:55.480 and you can astral project and like hang out with each other on the astral field or whatever

00:47:59.580 something along those lines and i was like yes exactly i remember years ago reading about astral

00:48:03.960 projection these people leaving their body at night literally two friends in high school and

00:48:07.620 they would or three friends two would would go astrally over to the other person's house at night

00:48:12.680 like and like call the other person out of their their body and the three spirits would all go

00:48:16.820 flying off amazing on the astral realm soaring through the through the world if we're why aren't

00:48:22.580 we doing that no we have to prepare humiliating yeah we have to do that we should be doing that

00:48:26.900 let's actually get into that let's get into that we can do it it's real let's get into that in a

00:48:30.200 more intense way because then also i get excited about prepping for the afterlife right exactly 0.93

00:48:34.600 if you don't strengthen it now i mean you know you're fucked i i i've always felt and yeah and 0.85

00:48:41.320 And but if we could ask to project, I mean, people do it. 0.94

00:48:45.180 You need to just read like the three books I've read.

00:48:47.060 You'll be completely like on board and you'll be dying to do it at night.

00:48:50.820 The rope method where you pull yourself out by imagined a rope above your above your head.

00:48:55.200 You pull yourself out of your body and up through the ceiling.

00:48:58.160 And then where do you go?

00:48:59.520 Exactly.

00:49:01.460 You can.

00:49:02.760 I have to read my lucid dreaming book.

00:49:04.080 That's kind of for me.

00:49:05.460 My dream since I started, you know, my dream journal.

00:49:07.560 I'm writing again when I was in New York.

00:49:08.820 I only wrote maybe a couple.

00:49:10.160 but every morning writing down the dreams, my dreams are so much more vivid now. And I feel

00:49:15.940 like the next logical step is to strengthen up the lucid dreaming, which I think somehow does

00:49:20.500 fold into astral projection. It does. Cause there's a lot of question of sort of, am I lucid dreaming

00:49:25.180 or am I astral projecting that can go on? And different people have different feelings about

00:49:28.640 this. I'm like, well, as long as you're having an interesting experience, kind of like who cares,

00:49:33.340 but there are differences because I think the difference primarily would be in astral projection,

00:49:38.380 arguably you might be like doing remote viewing okay so an astral projection you could actually

00:49:43.200 like there there are like stories you know in these books it's like someone astral projects

00:49:47.680 they find themselves over at their boss's house and they overhear the boss saying the thing

00:49:51.600 about whatever and the next morning they say by the way i didn't do the i didn't misfile that yeah

00:49:59.000 i didn't misfile the file as you said to janny last night okay but then what does the boss do

00:50:03.820 boss says what what well yeah yeah i mean i mean it's just it's just so you can get information

00:50:10.500 that you otherwise would seemingly not have access to okay i don't know if i want that

00:50:15.520 it's not kind of one of the great joys of having a body separating you from others that which is

00:50:20.560 exactly the actual fact that we can't be everywhere else so we can't hear things not meant for us that

00:50:24.900 there are there is a world of secrets absolutely like it's the thing of like do you want to know

00:50:29.340 you're going to die absolutely not and this is why right now psychics for me it's a no get out

00:50:34.760 of here with that well foretelling the future so to speak is of no interest to me i don't care for

00:50:39.760 that i think it's a really powerful gift sure when i say get out of here i just mean like wow but i'm

00:50:44.420 like psychics have traumatized me yeah things they've said that i can't get out me too that

00:50:49.040 i'm like well i wish i didn't live with that i mean haven't we all seen enough movies where

00:50:53.560 someone is given their future and that knowledge fucks them like so so i don't know i can't really

00:50:58.900 meaningfully, meaningfully relate to here's your future information. Right. So it's, it's useless

00:51:04.340 to me. You know what I mean? Like I just, I'm not, that's not what I asked for. That's not what I

00:51:08.500 want in a tarot card reading. I'm not looking for a give me past, like I'm looking for insight. I'm

00:51:12.560 looking for like information that's useful. That's why tarot kind of is great. Tarot can be so

00:51:18.140 beautiful in that way because it just helps you metabolize the present. But I'm not saying we

00:51:23.840 should ask her project for the parlor trick of, of hearing someone say something about us and

00:51:28.400 whatever i i think it's more about the extreme feeling of peace that people experience okay when

00:51:35.320 they leave their body while still alive because they they really understand in a deeply personal

00:51:43.200 way that there is more there is more than the body that their consciousness is something and

00:51:49.220 that's i don't know it's like spiritual dollar signs it's kind of like spiritual materialism

00:51:53.660 or whatever like where you want the experience and like i know it's kind of like goofy but i

00:51:57.520 sort of don't care you know like i just kind of like yeah i want to do it yeah like yeah i want

00:52:00.880 to get out yeah even like lucid dreaming i'm like less excited about than i used to be because i'm

00:52:05.860 kind of just like i don't know i do enjoy flying i mean there's that you can go lucid dreaming and

00:52:10.260 you can do anything you want yeah but i'm like what do i need i'm good right you know i go a

00:52:15.400 little more like well i guess in a lucid dream i could like practice you can have sex with anyone 0.88

00:52:19.660 you want yeah for me it always goes sexual but i don't i don't know i think that's common and

00:52:24.080 when they're selling lucid dreaming they say that a lot but i also i mean this is bold but

00:52:29.000 i don't even know if i believe this but i'm like is that a good idea right right right right okay

00:52:35.040 because then are you is it are you by conjuring someone's image is that image in any way tethered

00:52:40.520 to them for real and thus are you um kind of i guess we don't understand dreams enough to know

00:52:47.240 whether or not like in some way we have just affected somebody's energy i guess i love that

00:52:51.640 taking consent that far yeah yeah yeah i mean it's i mean but our minds are also a great place

00:52:59.740 for us to do whatever the fuck and yeah and that's how people you know so i'm not a puritan

00:53:03.860 of the mind is is not something i want to stand behind right um but i do want to learn all the 0.90

00:53:10.740 mystical um the mystic and occult arts a guide to using them in daily living a book i found from

00:53:17.800 the 70s on um in my parents basement by litska r gibson and walter b gibson oh see what i'm saying

00:53:26.200 a couple what's it called the mystic and occult arts i'm going to open to a random page and read

00:53:30.820 a single line are you ready okay okay once you've become thus attuned to the vibrations of the

00:53:36.320 cosmic brain you will find that psychometry has brought you to the threshold of still greater

00:53:40.880 accomplishments these will be detailed in the pages that follow i always forget what psychometry

00:53:44.740 metra metra is that where you can i read you just a random line from my tax organizer that's on my

00:53:51.840 desk please would you like to pay any amount due on your federal return using electronic withdrawal

00:53:57.120 wait say that again it's gone now i close it it's just okay the poetry of hell all right well uh

00:54:02.920 i'm really excited for you in the smoothies and i'm actually craving a green smoothie really

00:54:06.960 intensely right now and i might go do it myself amazing i'm excited i'm gonna research the glass

00:54:10.640 I'm going to research every ailment you've discussed.

00:54:12.700 And I'll see you in the astral realm, Kate, okay?

00:54:15.100 We're working on that.

00:54:15.760 We're getting that done.

00:54:16.360 I'm excited for you.

00:54:16.680 I'll see you tonight.

00:54:17.660 Yeah. 0.95

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Poog with Kate Berlant and Jacqueline Novak - June 01, 2021

The Uppermost Pringle

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