There Are No Girls on the Internet - Why trad wife content is taking over social media right now — BEST OF TANGOTI

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00:01:05.760 When the world is a disaster, people want nostalgia, even if it's a false nostalgia. 0.81

00:01:12.380 And this nostalgia for a quote-unquote better time when women were quote-unquote traditional is really obscenely misplaced. 0.91

00:01:21.040 there are no girls on the internet as a production of iheart radio and unbossed creative

00:01:29.520 i'm bridget todd and this is there are no girls on the internet

00:01:36.540 if you're a woman listen up because i need to tell you something kind of important it turns out

00:01:44.660 We have all been tricked.

00:01:47.320 Oh, yes. 1.00

00:01:48.500 Feminism was a lie, and it was just a scam to get us working outside of the home 1.00

00:01:53.100 so we could provide more taxable income to the government. 1.00

00:01:56.360 It turns out that we were much better off back in the 50s as traditional housewives. 0.96

00:02:01.060 Think about it. 1.00

00:02:02.080 We didn't have to work outside of the home,

00:02:04.200 and we could spend all of our time raising our kids and running a household.

00:02:07.780 And we were so much happier back then, too.

00:02:10.240 You know, back when we as women couldn't own property, couldn't vote, couldn't take out a credit card. 0.96

00:02:16.100 Oh, and it was also legal for our spouses to rape us.

00:02:19.480 So if you spend any time at all on TikTok, you're probably seeing an influx of this kind of content,

00:02:25.160 which is commonly called trad wife content, short for traditional wife,

00:02:29.740 that posits that women weren't just happier, but also we were more empowered when we stayed at home

00:02:34.980 and embraced more traditional gendered roles in the household.

00:02:38.460 And I believe that this is not a coincidence.

00:02:41.260 Against the backdrop of some pretty scary and heavy political and social happenings,

00:02:45.560 things like economic instability, impending climate crisis, which always disproportionately harms women more,

00:02:51.980 the gutting of Roe versus Wade, and the loss of the right to control our own bodies,

00:02:56.160 I think content like this does two things.

00:02:58.860 One, it responds to and exploits the understandable fear and anxiety that a lot of women are feeling,

00:03:05.220 particularly in the absence of any kind of a meaningful institutional support.

00:03:09.700 And I also think it's kind of meant to soothe us in a way.

00:03:12.800 You know, don't be too angry, ladies. 0.97

00:03:15.080 You were much better off without rights anyway.

00:03:17.840 But all of this content is just a depiction of a fantasy life

00:03:21.760 that never even really existed.

00:03:24.000 And it's yet another way that social media 1.00

00:03:26.840 is trying to sell women on a dangerous lie.

00:03:30.140 I'm Jo Piazza, and I'm an author, journalist, and podcaster, most recently the host of the 0.92

00:03:37.060 podcast called Under the Influence.

00:03:39.980 On Jo's great podcast, Under the Influence, she chronicles how the business and culture

00:03:44.420 of influencing social media and the internet has impacted women.

00:03:48.680 And right now, a lot of what she's seeing includes trad wife content.

00:03:53.000 So your podcast is amazing, and that was one of the reasons why I was so excited to talk

00:03:57.720 to you today because you know I've been scrolling social media a lot lately and I can't seem to get

00:04:03.140 away from this like I guess trad wife content this content made by women that is sort of giving us

00:04:10.960 this idea that being a traditional stay-at-home wife and mother is the path to power and happiness

00:04:16.620 for women have you seen this content on your feed yeah not only have I seen this content on my feed

00:04:22.280 but it has been dominating my feed for some reason I don't maybe sometimes I'm like Instagram

00:04:29.060 knows I'm pregnant and wants to force me to stay home in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant forever

00:04:36.040 and it thinks you'd be happier if that's how you lived your life

00:04:40.480 and they think I'd be happier and you know so my gut reaction to this is and it's the same as it

00:04:47.080 is with most things if you want to stay home and be a quote-unquote traditional wife and you know

00:04:54.880 take on all of the trappings of domesticity that were popularized by mass media in the 1950s 1.00

00:05:01.440 and this is what you really want fucking awesome you do it you do you and my feminism is mostly

00:05:08.760 centered on women choosing what makes them happy I do not necessarily think that that this is the 0.92

00:05:14.000 path to empowerment for the majority of women. But I, I do think that this is becoming so popular

00:05:24.240 and we know that Instagram surfaces things that they think will soothe people's addled brains as

00:05:31.760 they make them more addled because the world is kind of a disaster right now. And when the world

00:05:37.100 as a disaster people want nostalgia even if it's a false nostalgia and this nostalgia for a quote 0.97

00:05:45.440 unquote better time when women were quote unquote traditional is really obscenely misplaced yeah it

00:05:52.500 almost seems like it is painting a fantasy portrait of a time that did not exist because

00:05:58.460 it did you know even for white women back in the day I'm not necessarily quick to say that they 0.67

00:06:05.100 were so happy you know it was like legal for your spouse to rape you you couldn't own property you 0.77

00:06:10.720 couldn't you know take like have your own money like I don't you couldn't have a credit you

00:06:14.860 couldn't have a credit card right and yeah so I mean it's most let's be honest it's mostly 0.89

00:06:18.760 can't having a credit it's mostly not having a credit card and rape marital rape right and so

00:06:24.060 I think it like it harkens back in a way that that paints these times as like really rosy and

00:06:30.760 And, yeah, it's like a fantasy world that never even existed even during that time.

00:06:35.840 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And not to mention the fact that it absolutely 100 percent never even existed in media for black women and women of lower economic statuses and immigrant women.

00:06:47.760 So, yeah, it's a completely, completely false nostalgia.

00:06:51.700 And I think you hit on something interesting, which is that these TikToks, especially that I see, that really seem to be trying to convince women that we've been lied to into thinking that having a job and, you know, working outside of the home is empowering. 0.91

00:07:04.680 It really, for that narrative to work, you basically have to ignore non-white women. 0.59

00:07:10.220 You have to basically say, like, I'm a white woman talking to other white women in a world where people who are not white, if they exist, we're not speaking to them.

00:07:19.420 We're not thinking about their experiences.

00:07:21.360 We're not interrogating that at all.

00:07:23.480 No, no, exactly.

00:07:25.360 The whole idea of a happy woman who enjoyed an idyllic life in the home,

00:07:29.780 tending to her family while her husband did the wage-earning labor, 0.52

00:07:33.080 is just kind of a fantasy. 1.00

00:07:35.480 Obviously, it certainly did not exist for non-white women. 1.00

00:07:39.080 And it kind of didn't even really ever exist for white women either.

00:07:42.400 Or not the way we've been led to believe anyway.

00:07:45.040 In fact, Joe says the entire happy housewife thing was a creation presented by a few specific pieces of mass media that made its way into the culture and just kind of stuck.

00:07:56.140 I mean, the whole trad wife aesthetic really does come from a very narrow sliver of 1950s sitcoms. And we're talking June Cleaver, we're talking daddy, father knows best, daddy knows best.

00:08:11.240 The shows we saw in Nick at Night as kids, really. And it was mass media telling us that this is what the world looked like. When it didn't look like that for the majority of white women, it never looked like that for black women, women of a lower economic status, immigrant women.

00:08:30.000 And I think, look, we're desperate. We are desperate to cling to something because the world isn't working right now. I don't think that the concept of women working outside the home, I think work has failed all of us, not just women.

00:08:45.380 work has failed to empower us as a human race right now and so there is this small set of people

00:08:53.380 saying well what if you didn't have to work look at these women who didn't have to work these like

00:08:57.360 three women who didn't have to work in 1954 don't they look so happy in their gingham dresses with 0.99

00:09:04.300 their beach waves that they never could have really gotten in 1954 they do that shit with 0.98

00:09:09.620 the dyson hand wand yeah i love your point that we're even if you're thinking about mass media

00:09:16.080 from the 50s the trad wife stuff from that was shown there it's only a small like subsection of

00:09:22.240 shows like lucille ball even she wanted to be on the show in or be in in ricky and um desi's show

00:09:29.420 back in the day so like they're not even demonstrating that like it was a a dominant

00:09:34.200 you know a dominant culture never lucy wanted to work lucy was messy lucy was i mean i love lucy 0.95

00:09:42.420 i just said i love lucy um because she was delightfully fucked up in so many ways and 1.00

00:09:49.420 she kind of bucked the trend of the trad wife that was on tv in so many ways you don't see that if 0.96

00:09:55.380 you just like you know glance at one episode of the show but she really did it and lucille ball 1.00

00:09:59.100 in real life was a goddamn baller she owned her brand she owned her shit she owned her show 1.00

00:10:03.600 so I that she she was not a trad wife in any way shape or form but the just the fact that 1.00

00:10:11.380 we keep getting served this on Instagram and this is not what I want to be seeing right now

00:10:17.680 I want to be seeing more nap dresses and caftans and frankly I'm just in the mood 1.00

00:10:25.080 for some fucking calf memes I don't want to see a trad wife 1.00

00:10:28.220 Let's take a quick break. 1.00

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00:12:32.380 To be clear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with not working outside of the home

00:12:37.320 or finding enjoyment in the domestic. 0.70

00:12:40.260 But what can be scary are the ways that trad wife content 1.00

00:12:43.300 can present a palatable pipeline for women to be led into extremist ideology.

00:12:49.400 Yeah, and I think that you make a good point about the way that it's definitely being like surfaced right now, for whatever reason. And I think that's what I think can be kind of almost harmful, right? Like, Treadwife stuff for me is like, a little annoying, a little, I find it a little bit smug. But I know that a lot of that content can really be a pipeline into like more extremist thinking, you know, you are saying like, Oh, well, the world was much better in the 50s and the 40s, when, you know,

00:13:18.940 people of color, quote, knew their place and women knew their place. It's like a hop, skip

00:13:23.560 and a jump away from some pretty nasty extremist, you know, ideology. I wouldn't even say it's a

00:13:31.840 hop, skip and a jump. That's giving it too much credit. That's saying that it would take us three

00:13:35.960 steps to get there. I mean, I think we're kind of just teetering on the edge of this dangerous

00:13:41.280 territory. It's also, for me, very dangerous because it pits two groups of women against 0.98

00:13:48.200 each other it pits the woman who does stay at home for whatever reason to take care of her children 0.99

00:13:54.400 to take care of her home because she fucking has to because there's no goddamn child care in this 0.99

00:13:59.720 country against the woman who either chooses to work because she wants to works because she has 1.00

00:14:05.860 to and it's setting up this dichotomy that says oh like this life is better than this life or

00:14:12.700 this woman is so different from you that you are at odds with her when at the end of the day

00:14:18.140 we're all doing labor raising children is labor making meals cleaning the house it's labor like

00:14:24.440 neither of these things is necessarily better than the other one yeah that's actually my biggest

00:14:31.060 other than the like extremist ideology that's one of my biggest problems with this kind of

00:14:36.520 trad wife content is that it really i think a lot of times hinges on this aspect of comparison

00:14:43.020 and that's part of it that i don't like i think there's like a smugness to it that's like 0.99

00:14:47.460 I figured something out that other women are too stupid or too shallow to see. And I just feel like 0.99

00:14:55.380 if people, like, I think people should do whatever makes them happy, whatever they can afford to do.

00:15:01.620 You know, I also think there's a kind of, in some of the content, there's a kind of

00:15:06.020 persecution complex, like, oh, I don't want to be on Tinder, or in the office or away from my child

00:15:12.780 or having my children in public school

00:15:14.420 and I'm demonized for it.

00:15:15.880 And I think in 2022, this is my opinion, 0.83

00:15:19.080 I don't necessarily see a lot of people demonizing women 0.63

00:15:21.760 who aren't working outside of the home.

00:15:25.220 I think that frankly, in my opinion,

00:15:28.260 if you figured it out how to make that work for you,

00:15:30.800 I'm jealous, if anything.

00:15:32.460 I think that's great.

00:15:33.460 God bless you.

00:15:34.500 Yeah.

00:15:34.780 God bless you.

00:15:35.400 And I think, yeah, I think you're right. 0.81

00:15:36.680 It sets up this dichotomy of two different groups of women 0.99

00:15:40.320 where one is better than the other 1.00

00:15:41.740 or one's choices are better than the other

00:15:43.460 or more real than the other.

00:15:44.960 And I just think it's not really a binary.

00:15:47.080 Plenty of people, especially parents, will work,

00:15:50.180 will leave the workforce, come back to the workforce.

00:15:52.280 It's not this binary thing where if you are able

00:15:55.780 and enjoy not working outside of the home,

00:15:59.620 that is like a, that innately makes you better.

00:16:02.940 I just think it like, it negates the reality

00:16:05.980 of just like being a person who has to make choices

00:16:08.020 that are right for their lives.

00:16:10.360 Totally, totally, absolutely.

00:16:11.740 And also, a lot of the trad wife content, much like most of the content on Instagram, is a glossified version of reality.

00:16:21.600 And it's also a lie.

00:16:23.260 You know, a lot of these traditional wives claim that this trad wife lifestyle is about paying homage to a slower, more intentional lifestyle. 1.00

00:16:32.060 There's nothing slow about being at home with two toddlers.

00:16:36.800 Are you kidding?

00:16:38.060 like give me my work day any day where I'm like sitting at my computer and drinking coffee

00:16:44.480 rather than getting up every two minutes to be like I need strawberries this water doesn't have 0.94

00:16:49.500 enough ice uh there's something weird in between my toes what the fuck that is not slow and

00:16:55.280 intentional that is being I say this all the time I love my kids like I really really like them I 0.96

00:17:01.680 like being a mom and I also don't really want to be alone one-on-one with them for longer than

00:17:08.860 three hours at a time I don't I'm not I think I'm exhausted I need a break and I just for me

00:17:19.260 striking a balance between doing meaningful work and caring for I also don't want to come home at

00:17:24.520 night and have them already in bed right so meaningful work with caregiving I mean that's 0.91

00:17:28.920 the goddamn sweet spot for me and I think everyone has to find their own sweet spot yeah I think 1.00

00:17:34.740 you're right and I think you know that's for at least for me like that's what feminism is about 0.98

00:17:39.800 like people like women being able to make the best choices for them and that being okay and I think 1.00

00:17:45.860 you know every time I see one of those tiktoks it's like I live a slow life part of me wants to 1.00

00:17:51.800 be like what part of a slow life involves setting up a tripod you know what I mean like if I'm living 1.00

00:17:56.300 a slow life i'm not like a lot a lot of the tiktoks that i see on that are like probably

00:18:00.460 involve an incredible amount of like work to put together oh my god it doesn't look so

00:18:03.980 slow and soft to me it actually looks like a lot of work went into this on top of being around

00:18:09.700 your kids which we know is exhausting and draining awful i mean it's just let's be honest a lot of it

00:18:14.360 is awful um yeah those beach waves that wasn't slow it took a lot of work those eyelashes you

00:18:18.920 all wear you all get fake eyelashes on there's nothing slow and intentional actually it's

00:18:23.540 intentional there's nothing slow about putting on fake eyelashes oh no it's incredibly time

00:18:27.220 consuming and like yeah and i think like that's i don't know part of me wonders if like there's

00:18:33.420 just something about this content that is tailor made for social media and that it invites comparison

00:18:40.180 and it it can it is an easy way to sort of polish up a lie you know that like you're living a slow

00:18:47.200 life you're so centered and in touch with your kids and yada yada yada but in fact it can be

00:18:51.900 none of that, but you're presenting this very pretty package to women and moms. A lot of them

00:18:57.360 are frankly at their limit. They've been doing remote learning. They've been through this

00:19:01.740 pandemic. We've gone through like tampon shortages and baby formula shortages and no meaningful

00:19:07.900 institutional support or help. Selling, continuing to sell moms this polished up lie is almost kind 1.00

00:19:15.500 of cruel to me. It is cruel. It's absolutely cruel. And I think it's just, it's a very

00:19:21.620 patriarchal view of the work of motherhood of saying oh look at these beautiful pictures of

00:19:28.260 these beautiful houses this is so easy this is a slower life no that is work that is so much labor

00:19:34.920 and you know I've I've dabbled in the domestic arts at times and that's that frankly that's

00:19:42.220 harder work for me than having a dozen meetings in a day trying to make a zucchini bed okay like

00:19:47.180 it's just like, I'm not good at that. It's not innate to me. That's not to say someone, someone

00:19:51.880 else doesn't wildly enjoy it. And I do think that we have sidelined, we've sidelined work in the

00:19:57.700 home, right? And the big, the big, my biggest issue is always that we just don't call things

00:20:03.560 done in the home work, but neither do the trad wives. They're, they're blowing off that work. 1.00

00:20:09.560 They're saying this is a slower and easier lifestyle and not recognizing that everything 0.99

00:20:14.240 that a woman does in the home is actual work. Yeah, I think that's a good point that like, 1.00

00:20:19.720 if you are a mom or a parent who is engaging in the pretty exhausting work of raising little

00:20:25.400 humans, to have someone go on social media and be like, actually, this isn't labor, this isn't work,

00:20:32.080 this is just something that, you know, you shouldn't, that you should always enjoy, that

00:20:35.460 should come naturally to you as a woman, that should just be really pleasing, and nice and

00:20:39.980 happy and gentle and slow. I think a lot of parents, the work of raising a child does not

00:20:45.320 feel happy or slow or, or any of that. And I don't know, it's just another way to lie to women about 0.99

00:20:50.960 the work that we're all doing, that we are doing and sort of this burden that we all have to,

00:20:58.380 that we're all shouldering and telling us that we should enjoy it all the time. It just is like

00:21:01.800 another added way that we're just not supported. No, it's really, it really is. It's another way

00:21:07.080 of putting it down and putting down the labor that we put into a life to make a life, to raise

00:21:11.840 human. I think that raising human beings is one of the hardest things that I do in this portfolio

00:21:19.280 of many things that I do in our economically precarious society. But it also, it's just,

00:21:26.180 it remains undervalued in the traditional wives movement. While they claim that they're elevating

00:21:30.780 it, are continuing to undervalue it by saying this is an easier way of life. Oh, that's so true. I

00:21:36.200 really want to see like the 70s 80s era completely checked out mom who has not seen her kids all day

00:21:42.500 and when they come home she's like oh I hope you've been fed because I'm not making dinner

00:21:46.220 I want that mom to come back into vogue yeah I mean I the parenting book that I want to write 0.57

00:21:52.440 and then no one will let me write because cancel culture uh is a parent like it's 1984 man put

00:22:00.280 them in the way back of the car let's find some candy cigarettes right and just and plop them in

00:22:06.960 front of the tv and give them all the sugary cereals because you know what and smoke i guess

00:22:11.280 smoke and drink in front of them too because that was my life um even though if i had a cigarette

00:22:15.580 now i'd probably die but sometimes i still think about it about how like wonderful it would be 0.88

00:22:19.160 um and i feel like i turned out fucking great and i was a latchkey kid whose parents chain 0.69

00:22:26.980 smoke two packs of cools a day in front of me i don't even have asthma it's honestly so funny to 0.91

00:22:33.820 see the different like i don't want to say trends but waves of parenting because yeah i was parented

00:22:39.340 like that i was i feel like i was the last generation of kids whose parents were like

00:22:44.340 go outside i don't want to see you for several hours and like if you did that today you'd be

00:22:49.680 arrested well it was funny i have a story which will probably get me arrested and i don't care 0.99

00:22:54.720 anymore um just don't take my kids away okay like I'm a good mom but it's pouring fucking rain 0.69

00:23:00.100 yesterday at school pickup and my husband hates using a car because we live in the city and so 0.81

00:23:06.140 like obviously like I dropped my toddler off at her first day of preschool pick her up again in

00:23:10.160 the pouring rain I'm seven months pregnant by the way I'm huge when I asked another parent that had

00:23:15.060 a car there if they could drive me the four blocks home to drop me off they're like oh I don't know

00:23:20.220 if I have enough seats and it was like a massive Subaru I'm like what does pile into the way back

00:23:23.400 it's fine it's four blocks they wouldn't do it they're like there's no seatbelts back there

00:23:27.440 and I was like but it's the way back

00:23:30.200 it's okay I'm like we you know I mean like again like I'm not going to do it for like a

00:23:37.600 three-hour road trip with my kid but like we're just so afraid of everything anymore that I and 0.72

00:23:45.040 I think it's it's created this is a whole other episode it's creating fucked up kids it's creating 0.99

00:23:48.560 kids who don't know how to live in the goddamn world as the world is burning down around us but 0.99

00:23:51.640 that's another podcast that no one will let me do. I had that same experience on a family trip 0.99

00:23:56.920 recently where my sister-in-law, we were piled into a car and she was like, I'll just hold her

00:24:02.280 on my lap. Carsey, we're going two blocks. It's fine. Two blocks. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Again,

00:24:08.860 I think so many corners of the internet are dark and terrible for women. And the ones that are 1.00

00:24:14.640 dark and the most dark and terrible are the ones that look the prettiest that's such a I mean I

00:24:22.920 think you're right because you know I'm not a parent but I can imagine if you're a new mom

00:24:27.720 it's scary and then you go to these social media places or spaces that are ostensibly supposed to

00:24:34.220 be about support and helping you and they just make you feel that much more inadequate and alone

00:24:39.840 and terrified terrible I would never want to be a new mom again and be and be scrolling the internet

00:24:45.560 and looking at Instagram I'm just happy that I'm an old mom at this point who is just going to let

00:24:52.220 a third child fall out of my body and probably sleep in a cardboard box next to it but I just

00:24:59.180 yeah I don't have time for it but like thinking if like I was so terrified about new motherhood 0.80

00:25:04.640 which all new moms are and then they see these kinds of pictures and they're like I'm failing

00:25:08.400 well women we think we're failing every day I wake up and feel like a failure even though like

00:25:13.620 rationally I know that I shouldn't I write good books I make good podcasts but like I still feel

00:25:18.920 like I'm failing every day we don't need another person to tell us that we're failing especially

00:25:23.700 not doing so under the guise of I'm telling you this to help you this is this is just for your

00:25:29.040 own good that you need to know this information about how much you're failing as a mom exactly

00:25:33.760 Exactly. Yeah. So I don't, again, like women working in the home, raising children, doing domestic labor. Good thing. Women that say that we, women have failed by being in the workforce, workforce. Fuck you. Fuck you real hard.

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00:27:54.280 I do have one last quick question for you

00:27:58.140 so speaking of all things throwbacky 0.99

00:28:00.160 and traditional especially for women

00:28:01.960 I happen to know that you have a particular

00:28:03.900 interest in a one miss Laura Ingalls Wilder

00:28:06.320 if you don't know who that is

00:28:07.920 she was the writer of the series

00:28:09.640 Little House on the Prairie which became a TV show

00:28:11.980 and was massively influential

00:28:13.140 can you tell us about that interest

00:28:15.760 and where it might take you next 1.00

00:28:18.200 What a badass bitch she was. Yes. I love me some Laura Ingalls Wilder. I read all the books 1.00

00:28:24.140 growing up, but I'm not as much of an obsessive as my dear friend, Clintus McNichol, who co-hosted

00:28:31.480 Under the Influence with me and who also married my husband and I in front of a sphinx seven years

00:28:36.960 ago. I mean, she's like a freak about Laura Ingalls Wilder. But we're both obsessed with

00:28:43.340 how this woman's real life stories of growing up on the prairie have become the most read books,

00:28:53.260 probably among the most read books in the entire world, and also have shaped how we view the

00:29:00.320 American West. And we are doing a new podcast called Wilder, which comes out in March, where

00:29:06.820 we spent a good chunk of this summer traveling around the United States, going to the Laura

00:29:13.060 Ingalls Wilder homesteads and revisiting what her legacy means to America what she got wrong

00:29:19.360 she didn't get everything right she fucked up a lot of stuff like she really there's a lot more 0.51

00:29:25.280 that she could have included in those books about what was happening in black America at the time 0.89

00:29:29.800 what was happening with the indigenous people whose land that her family was constantly moving

00:29:34.640 on to that said she was so ahead of her time in terms of being a wild child who just wanted to

00:29:45.060 explore the world and those things we reported out um while doing this podcast have been

00:29:52.380 so fascinating my favorite is that laura is really huge with japanese tourists huge she's

00:29:59.580 huge in Japan. Who knew? And it's for a couple of reasons. One, Japanese schools often use the

00:30:06.180 little house books to teach English. The darker side of that, many of the internment camps forced

00:30:13.180 people to read the Laura Ingalls Wilder books here in America. And then the television show

00:30:18.880 was wildly popular. So these little towns, these little very white rural towns where Laura's from

00:30:24.880 get busloads of Japanese tourists visiting them every year but to their like the towns love it

00:30:32.900 and it has actually opened the town's eyes to different cultures they never would have

00:30:36.700 experienced were it not for Laura and so and that's just like one of the little tidbits that

00:30:42.180 that we loved when we were doing this and yeah that podcast is coming out in March I'm also

00:30:48.100 hoping to work on a podcast about Judy Blume and her her and her enduring legacy on our lives oh my

00:30:54.140 god please i am obsessed with judy bloom when i was a kid the uh book are you there god it's me

00:30:59.980 margaret like it's like it was i we like trade i mean this is we used to trade it like when i was

00:31:06.620 in like fourth or fifth grade it was we thought it was like the most grown-up like you know book

00:31:13.040 about our bodies and our art the way you know we would like like like trade it to each other like

00:31:17.820 have you read this i know i know that one and then also deanie in forever i'm like this is the 0.91

00:31:24.440 dirtiest sex i've ever read about um yeah all right great you're gonna come on that show i'm 0.69

00:31:29.240 trying to get that greenlit right now so you're coming on it i'm gonna tell everyone that you're 0.95

00:31:32.160 i'm in i'm in i cannot wait great joe thank you so much for being here where can folks keep up 0.86

00:31:38.240 with all the cool work that you're doing unfortunately the fucking instagram at joe 0.84

00:31:43.060 Yeah, at Joe Piazza Author. 0.99

00:31:45.500 Like I spend all of my days trashing Instagram

00:31:47.560 and saying how much I hate it.

00:31:49.340 And then I'm like,

00:31:49.980 this is really the easiest place to find me.

00:31:52.340 So thank you, Instagram.

00:31:54.540 At Joe Piazza Author is the easiest place.

00:31:57.100 I'm going to have this baby in like two months.

00:31:58.940 So I'm either going to go dark 0.98

00:32:01.320 or I'm going to become a traditional one.

00:32:03.420 Well, everyone will have to check in on your Instagram

00:32:05.400 to see which way it goes.

00:32:07.400 Which way it goes.

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