Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - January 18, 2024


Let's Talk About the Mrs. America Pageant

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00:00:00.000 hello hello hello i have to say at the start of this podcast that i am so blown away by how many
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00:00:38.400 because I'm also getting a lot of really great show ideas that I'm enjoying. Now, because of
00:00:46.420 listener suggestions, we're working on a show about menopause influencers, one about divorce
00:00:52.060 influencers. All of your ideas are so good. I welcome them and I love them. Also, thank you
00:00:58.980 for supporting The Sicilian Inheritance, this book that I love and I'm a psycho marketing monster
00:01:04.940 for. You know, you guys are all amazing and I love you. Today, we have an episode about pageants,
00:01:14.740 Beauty pageants, specifically Mrs. America.
00:01:19.880 No, this is not an episode about Ballerina Farm, at least not directly,
00:01:26.440 even though there has been a lot of chatter and talk this week about Ballerina Farm,
00:01:32.860 Hannah Nealman, preparing for her Mrs. America events immediately after having a baby.
00:01:40.080 I've written about it on Instagram and on the sub stack.
00:01:44.580 I have thoughts.
00:01:46.020 But that's not what this episode is about today.
00:01:49.720 This is an episode about bias
00:01:52.860 and about how to have a civilized conversation about something
00:01:56.940 that you might not know about.
00:02:00.300 Social media makes that nearly impossible.
00:02:04.100 Social media is filled with snark and trolls
00:02:06.580 and people yelling at one another about things they don't understand.
00:02:11.940 And I hate that. I hate it.
00:02:15.900 A while back, we did an episode about Ballerina Farm winning the Mrs. America competition.
00:02:22.960 It was a good episode. I liked it a lot. I liked doing it.
00:02:27.200 Afterwards, I got a message saying that I'd gotten some information about the Mrs. America pageant wrong.
00:02:34.560 that I didn't understand what the pageant was, and this listener was disappointed that I seemed
00:02:41.460 condescending about the pageant and about pageants in general. Now, when I was recording, I hadn't
00:02:48.340 realized that I sounded condescending. I went back and listened, and yeah, a little bit, I did.
00:02:54.360 Definitely, definitely in there. And it's because I don't know that much about the pageant world,
00:03:01.660 and I do have my own biases.
00:03:03.620 Biases, the right word?
00:03:04.880 I don't know.
00:03:05.980 The only pageants I have ever interacted with
00:03:08.900 in the real world
00:03:10.280 were the ones run by Donald Trump back in the 2000s.
00:03:14.800 And yes, they were a patriarchal, 1.00
00:03:17.980 misogynistic shit show. 1.00
00:03:20.940 So am I condescending about those pageants? 1.00
00:03:23.820 And then probably, as a spillover,
00:03:27.180 pageants in general.
00:03:28.920 Yeah, yeah, I am.
00:03:31.660 But I love learning things, and I love being told that I'm wrong.
00:03:37.720 I love people saying, hey, do you know what you don't know, and can I tell you about it?
00:03:43.700 So, the listener who contacted me is Chloe Rosen.
00:03:48.020 Chloe is the current Mrs. New York.
00:03:50.680 My first instinct was to ask Chloe to just come on the show.
00:03:54.500 Tell me what I need to know. 0.72
00:03:56.340 Tell us all what we should know about Mrs. America.
00:04:00.180 And she said yes.
00:04:02.620 I love real conversations.
00:04:05.440 I love conversations where we actually listen to one another
00:04:08.460 and where we're open to learning new things.
00:04:12.000 They do not happen nearly enough in media,
00:04:15.320 especially social media these days.
00:04:17.480 And I'm very excited for you to listen to Chloe and I have a chat.
00:04:22.480 So here we go.
00:04:23.980 I listen to the podcast and, you know, I'm a fan of yours.
00:04:28.500 And I think as a writer and a woman, you know, small business owner myself, I think we are lucky to be in a time where social media and podcasting media in general has such a power to lift us all.
00:04:44.020 One of the things that I just felt saddened by was just one, some of the misinformation around the pageant system as a whole and pageantry in general, some negative stereotypes.
00:05:00.640 I think of myself as a feminist.
00:05:02.800 I like to think that we as women will not move forward at all whatsoever together unless women stop judging the choices of other women. 0.93
00:05:12.880 Tell me everything. All right. Here's the first thing. Here's the first thing I'm going to admit. I don't know jack shit about pageants. So in that episode, maybe I was thinking about an antiquated idea of pageant pageantry as, you know, a contest that judges women based on physical attributes. 0.91
00:05:33.940 tell me everything that we should know about pageants in the modern day i think
00:05:38.640 i i have never i've never well actually i have i have been to to some pageants i when i was a
00:05:46.220 gossip columnist back in the day i used to have to come for oh my god it was so it was the best
00:05:51.920 job to have and be 20 years old i mean so much fun so fun it was just so much fun but you know
00:06:00.360 what here's where I think my bias is and that's why it's it's interesting to talk about this
00:06:04.480 because it's like where does your bias come from I used to cover Donald Trump's beauty pageants
00:06:09.080 and I think his are the Miss World and the Miss Universe I'm going to google that to make sure
00:06:16.180 anymore he does not own them anymore okay okay but he did own Miss USA Miss Universe Miss USA
00:06:22.780 Miss Universe. I covered them when he was the owner of them. And those felt very misogynistic
00:06:30.740 and sexist to me when I covered them. And I think that that is where my bias is coming in. But I
00:06:36.080 want to hear from you and tell the audience a little bit about your involvement with pageants
00:06:40.580 and what makes you kind of an expert on this world. So first, thank you for being able to say,
00:06:46.900 like, hey, I don't know about this and I want to learn more. I really appreciate that. And I think
00:06:52.260 that's so much of what we need. I grew up around pageants. My mom, she was a director in the Miss
00:06:58.700 America system for over 20 years. She was very successful. She helped over five women become,
00:07:06.020 she helped five women become Miss America, countless runner-ups. She's unbelievable.
00:07:13.460 And when I look at the women whose lives she changed, it was incredible to me. And then when
00:07:18.040 I got married, one of my best girlfriends was doing hair and makeup for Mrs. Tennessee. And I
00:07:25.340 thought to myself, what the heck is Mrs. Tennessee? And she said, Oh, it's just a it's a like a Miss 0.99
00:07:31.280 America, but for married ladies. And I thought to myself, Oh my gosh, that's crazy. I'm an athlete. 0.97
00:07:36.620 I'm a runner. I've run a couple marathons. And I thought, I'm a little burnt out on running. And
00:07:42.240 I really like a goal that has nothing to do with running. So I told my husband, I was like, I'm
00:07:47.740 going to compete. Nobody believed I was going to do it. Um, and the rest is history. I won
00:07:53.220 Mrs. New York after my second try. Um, I was taught 15 at Mrs. America this year. I was able
00:07:59.500 to raise over $7,000 for my platform. Um, so it's been, it's been great. And then I also own a,
00:08:07.140 um, company called Rosen Media Consulting where, um, I'm a social strategist. So I work with
00:08:13.300 pageant contestants to, and systems and businesses to learn how to tell their authentic stories
00:08:18.800 online, um, so that we can really work to eradicate these negative stereotypes of,
00:08:24.120 like I said, this bygone era, this Miss Congeniality era that we live in. Um, so that
00:08:30.580 women can see that it's not, pageantry is not about the cheeseburger that they're eating after
00:08:35.440 they won. They're learning how to tell their story. So it's not, it's not that kind of messaging 1.00
00:08:41.160 where you're teaching young women or the internet that, oh, I'm so happy that I can eat now,
00:08:47.300 or look at these Navy SEAL-esque workouts that I'm doing. We're teaching women really to tell 1.00
00:08:52.900 their authentic stories, to showcase the power behind their messaging on the internet so that 0.98
00:08:59.180 we can show just how relevant pageantry is. So you know so much about this world. You are the
00:09:03.520 great person to talk to. But, but you're also helping women who compete in pageants to break 0.93
00:09:11.600 the stereotype of old school stereotype of pageantry on social media. Right. Correct.
00:09:20.040 Cool. Okay. So go at me. Tell me what I got wrong. Yeah. Okay. Well, let me start with saying,
00:09:26.140 uh, the first things you talked about were, you know, Hannah's Miss South Dakota. She was appointed
00:09:30.960 that as an at-large title um the week before the competition so she was never you know officially
00:09:39.100 crowned she didn't have a competition there was not a lot of content out there about her preparation
00:09:43.780 right right right I remember the first thing that I saw about it was something
00:09:48.420 a fabulous face or best face where it looked like a some kind of competition on the social media
00:09:55.800 that had to do with the pageant that was just it looked like who's the prettiest is what it looked
00:10:02.740 like and I'm like I don't love that but um the the fabulous face is actually not the best face
00:10:09.820 it's called the fabulous face contest um that she posted about raising money for and that money
00:10:15.340 actually goes back to the national um the national platform called Victoria's Voice which was started
00:10:22.100 by David and Jackie Siegel when their daughter died at age 18 of an opioid overdose. And so
00:10:28.780 all of the money that is raised from the fabulous space, I mean, yes, you do get in
00:10:34.100 the top 16 or top 15, but the money does go to a really, really great cause. And that organization
00:10:40.740 has done so much to lobby for getting NARCAM out on the streets, preventing overdose deaths,
00:10:47.940 educating police officers and making sure that they who are on the front lines have the resources
00:10:55.120 to prevent overdoses with the use of Narcan. So it's pretty amazing the money goes directly to
00:11:01.880 funding those efforts. Okay yeah so I'm looking at the website and it costs money to vote
00:11:07.260 and you're telling me that that money goes to this great cause which is awesome which is
00:11:14.660 fascinating to me I have been doing a little bit of googling and I'm not seeing enough about that
00:11:21.020 so maybe maybe that is something that the pageant could correct to promote that this is where the
00:11:26.760 money is going to or maybe I'm just missing it I don't know I don't know but you also you have
00:11:33.260 a lot to tell me about the history of the pageant and I want to hear more about that too because a
00:11:42.340 lot of the information that I got was from this Jezebel article from 2016 entitled The Long
00:11:48.620 Strange Life of the Mrs. America Pageant. And one of the things that I didn't love was women 0.98
00:11:56.220 being graded on their domestic abilities. The pageant was actually founded in 1936, 0.97
00:12:04.160 and it was owned by a gentleman named Burt Nevis. And it was the only nationally televised beauty
00:12:09.660 pageant for married women. And they were graded on cooking, sewing, ironing, party prep, other 0.91
00:12:17.000 homemaking abilities, family psychology, poise, personality. But then in 1977 to now, it was bought
00:12:26.000 by a gentleman, a couple called named David and Elaine Marmel. And they completely revamped the
00:12:33.760 pageant. The categories no longer were cooking or homemaking, but it became about your abilities,
00:12:43.000 your job, your community service work, poise, personality, and your platform. One of the things
00:12:50.100 I really want to talk about are the kinds of women that compete in beauty pageants, because I think 0.96
00:12:56.480 that there is this idea, well, that's anti-feminist or that's anti-created. So I have met women, 0.95
00:13:03.100 like even at Mrs. New York, I met a woman who she went to Cambridge. She is working on a fellowship
00:13:09.960 that is working to eradicate the genome in, um, during pregnancy that causes autism. Um, and you
00:13:19.660 know, that's a big job. It's a big job. It's pretty amazing. And she's like, I work in a lab
00:13:24.960 all day and I want to talk about this work that's being done. And I don't know how to do that outside
00:13:29.500 of the lab the uh new york american who competed with hannah she was a producer with for dan rather
00:13:35.840 for 12 years um the mrs the current mrs maryland she was the she is the head of all federal
00:13:42.240 penitentiaries in the united states um you know so there are really amazing women nicole laha
00:13:48.980 zorkian she is a mother of two um one her child has cerebral palsy and she is running for political
00:13:56.120 office in Illinois to advocate for inclusive playgrounds and more inclusivity for children
00:14:04.060 with disabilities. The Mrs. America before her is an intersex woman named Jackie Blankenship who 0.86
00:14:11.620 talks about her journey as an intersex woman. She was born without any reproductive organs 0.99
00:14:17.080 and her journey towards finding out how to be feminine, finding what her brand was, what her
00:14:23.280 voice was, you know, who she is as a woman, and then what it was to become a mother. You know,
00:14:29.560 her sister graciously carried a child for her because she physically cannot. So these are the
00:14:35.960 kinds of women who compete in pageantry. And these are the stories that unfortunately don't get told 1.00
00:14:40.780 because so many people are quick to judge what they don't know. And instead of doing the work to
00:14:49.560 find out what the stories are behind these women, they say, oh, I just see this swimsuit 1.00
00:14:57.760 competition. Yes, yes, yes. And yes, I will tell you that when I hear the word pageant, 0.99
00:15:03.720 in my head, I see bathing suits. I see ladies in bathing suits in high heels,
00:15:09.780 walking across the stage. And my immediate go-to, I don't know why this is, but I'm like, 0.98
00:15:14.660 I don't want women to be judged based on their bodies like that. I don't. And it's not. It's 1.00
00:15:21.840 funny because based off what some of the commenters have been saying to me when I talked about Hannah
00:15:29.340 and Ballerina Farm postpartum, people are saying, well, you're jealous or you're thin shaming. And
00:15:37.360 this doesn't have to do with bodies. It has to do with judgment and the male gaze and what we
00:15:44.000 prioritize about women. But I want to get into, I want to hear all of your thoughts on that. But
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00:20:44.020 it and you need it. We are back and we're going to talk about swimsuit competitions and how they
00:20:57.180 make me feel icky, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Well, for me, and I think for a lot of
00:21:05.540 women who've competed in a pageant and have competed in swimsuit. I can tell you there is
00:21:10.120 truly, and I have run marathons and triathlons. There is nothing more empowering than standing
00:21:18.540 on stage, presenting the best version of myself on that day, not 20 years ago or in six months
00:21:27.120 from now, the best version of myself physically on that day, best version of myself mentally
00:21:32.400 as a champion advocate for my family, myself, my community, my state, and standing in front
00:21:39.280 of a panel of judges and saying, I dare you not to pick me. I dare you. And to me, there's nothing
00:21:46.300 more feminist than that. Um, and so, you know, that's, that's the kind of, that's the kind of 1.00
00:21:52.920 world that we live in. I mean, I like to think of pageantry as a sport, you know, I hired many
00:21:59.940 coaches. Um, it teaches you to humble yourself and say, I'm not, I'm not an expert in pageantry.
00:22:06.640 So I'm going to surround myself with experts. I hired a walking coach. I hired an interview
00:22:11.500 coach. What does a walking coach do? Exactly what you think they do. They, they teach you how to 0.60
00:22:19.960 walk in high heels. They teach you how to pose. They teach you how to, you know, all about eye
00:22:26.440 contact, all about owning the stage and the presence. They teach you how to go from don't
00:22:32.940 look at me to please look at me and how to feel confident in your own skin to say, please look at
00:22:41.440 me. Look how my presence is larger than life because here I am representing something bigger
00:22:48.040 than myself. So that is, um, I know very long winded, but I feel like hopefully a little bit
00:22:53.880 more of a comprehensive, uh, idea about pageantry. Like, yes, you know, we do have walking coaches
00:23:02.200 and yes, do I still struggle to walk in six inch heels? But you said something that, that really
00:23:07.100 hit home with me on your podcast. You said, you know, is there a pageant for, um, you know,
00:23:13.320 people in sweatpants and no makeup? And like, I am wearing sweatpants currently and I have no
00:23:18.960 makeup on. And you look great. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. But I would say
00:23:24.640 that that's every woman in pageantry. They're just regular women who believe in something bigger than 1.00
00:23:32.380 themselves, who want to be a part of something bigger than themselves, like anybody else,
00:23:36.220 like you are with your podcast and are using pageantry as the platform, as the megaphone for
00:23:44.020 for whatever it is, whatever cause it is they want to champion or whatever dream it is that
00:23:49.700 they have. It's no different than somebody who wants to be an influencer or somebody who wants
00:23:54.720 to be an actor or a writer. It's just a platform that they use. Joe, have you ever thought about
00:24:02.580 competing in a beauty pageant or have you ever competed in a beauty pageant? I have not. I've
00:24:06.760 not. The closest that I came is to like just walking even on a runway was that I was asked
00:24:13.060 to walk in some kind of like dog show, fashion show. I know. I carried a very cute bulldog puppy
00:24:20.320 and my looking back on it, my shirt dress was so short. You could definitely see my booty.
00:24:26.400 So that is the closest that I've come to being on stage in, in such a manner.
00:24:31.720 Okay. Okay. Well, how did it feel when you did that? Was it fun? Was it exciting?
00:24:36.500 I did not like it. I did not like people. I did not like people staring at me in that way,
00:24:41.500 which is very interesting, because I love speaking in front of a crowd. Yeah, like that felt
00:24:47.320 different. That that felt like I was being stared at for how I looked as opposed to what I was
00:24:53.680 saying, if that makes sense. Totally, totally. I completely understand that that point of view. And
00:24:59.320 I have been there myself. So I definitely I definitely get that. How can we flip this script?
00:25:05.020 Like, how do you encourage women on social media to, you know, change the story around pageants?
00:25:14.900 Yeah, so I think it starts, it starts with, with women in pageantry telling their authentic story
00:25:23.420 and moving away from the stereotypes that surround pageantry, you know, moving away from posting
00:25:29.940 about um you know world peace and talking more about their causes i have a client right now who
00:25:38.260 is um she's been advocating on and lobbying on capitol hill for truth and advertising since
00:25:45.100 she was 18 years old and um he posts on social media only unfiltered unedited no photoshop
00:25:54.820 nothing. Um, so, you know, it's, it's telling stories like that. It's, um, owning, owning your
00:26:03.580 process instead of, um, saying, Oh my gosh, I worked out and I miss carbs. Um, so it's starting
00:26:10.720 with that. But then I also think it's having conversations like this, you know, reaching out
00:26:16.560 and saying, instead of being defensive and aggressive, what if woman to woman, you know,
00:26:23.080 community to community, we just shared the pros of this world. So, you know, we can educate each
00:26:31.440 other about, you know, what makes pageantry so special? What makes it so empowering? What makes
00:26:39.640 it so, I think, inherently feminist? And how can we work together to remove bias? And that only
00:26:47.120 comes from having conversations like this. You know, you were so open and said, you know,
00:26:52.440 my intention was never to hurt anyone was never to harm the opinion of women in pageantry. And so
00:27:00.760 I think, you know, having more women be open to conversations like this and saying, instead of 1.00
00:27:07.900 being defensive saying, okay, let's talk, let's sit down and talk and have a conversation. And 1.00
00:27:13.680 let me just educate you about what I know. And maybe you can educate me about where your bias
00:27:19.120 comes from. And maybe by having those conversations, I can learn from you and you can learn from me.
00:27:26.100 And I think, I think, you know, that's where it starts. Have really saying, look, this is
00:27:33.720 inherently feminist. These women choose to do this. They, nobody's forcing them to do this. 1.00
00:27:39.740 You know, my panel of judges was mostly women of color. It wasn't all men. There was no extreme
00:27:47.900 male gaze in the audience, you know, and really having these conversations about also the kind
00:27:55.280 of women that compete in pageantry. I think there is a massive misconception that it's all Botox 0.74
00:28:02.480 and tits and ass. It's not. And I don't have a boob job. I'm going to throw it out there. I want 0.99
00:28:12.340 a boob job real bad i do i want the i want the lift and tuck is what i want i want the boobs 0.99
00:28:19.520 picked back up and then i want the belly pushed back in and i don't i don't feel bad saying that 0.96
00:28:26.980 and i also get all the botox yeah at the end of the day at the end of the day we're all the same
00:28:32.660 right we're all similar it makes you feel better who are we to judge so i think the thing i think
00:28:38.620 the thing is, at the end of the day, like I said, when I started, we will only progress towards
00:28:46.220 equality as women when we as women stop judging the choices of other women. So if you want to be
00:28:54.680 a social media momfluencer and you don't want to post about how much money you have or the support
00:28:59.840 that you have, that's your prerogative. If you want to get Botox and a tummy tuck and a boob job,
00:29:06.160 that's your prerogative if you want to compete in a pageant because that's the best way you
00:29:11.880 find to reach the community that you want to reach that's your prerogative and I think you
00:29:17.560 know if you want to start a podcast where you talk about mom fluencers and their choices that's also
00:29:25.140 your prerogative you know I'm not here to to judge anybody and I think there's space for all of us
00:29:32.000 And I think that's that's how we start to flip the script is we start recognizing that there's space for all of us and that there's room for all of our stories, regardless of what they look like and regardless of how we tell them.
00:29:47.500 So hopefully that kind of, you know, hopefully these kind of conversations will continue to happen.
00:29:52.560 And this is the first of many, you know, like I didn't have kids.
00:29:56.420 I don't have kids. My husband and I don't have kids.
00:29:58.400 We're not sure we're going to be able to have children, but that was never used against me at Mrs. America. You know, and so I think knowing that these stereotypes, these negative misconceptions are not the reality and then sharing that with other people through platforms like this.
00:30:19.040 That's how we that's how we make change and how we, you know, we lift each other and we hopefully move towards, you know, a more inclusive world for all types of women and all the choices that we make.
00:30:33.980 here is another question that i have as an insider in mrs america you know a lot of the things that
00:30:42.820 the more mainstream media that i read you know did talk about kind of judging women on more
00:30:50.340 traditional values what what do you feel like women are are being judged on and is judged the
00:30:56.780 right word? I mean, I think judge is the right word. They're called judges. And I wouldn't say 0.99
00:31:04.480 that it's a negative connotation. I think when we hear the word judge, it can bring up like a
00:31:09.700 icky feeling. Oh, you're judging me. But they are judges. It's like in a gymnastics competition.
00:31:14.900 You know, they are scoring you. But I found, you know, I'm a 34 year old woman. I have a master's
00:31:22.960 degree. I, um, you know, a small business owner, I'm an entrepreneur. I, you know, I speak multiple
00:31:30.300 languages. I find that all of my questions and interview were very forward thinking, you know,
00:31:39.300 what is your plan for growing this organization? Do you have a business plan? What, um, you know,
00:31:47.160 you work in media? What is your, what is your experience with media and how do you plan to use
00:31:53.220 that to bring in brands and sponsors and grow the face of Mrs. America? Um, you know, those are the
00:32:00.360 questions that I was asked. Where have you traveled? Where have you lived in? Um, you know,
00:32:05.320 I've lived in South Africa and in China and in Tanzania and, um, we had a judge from South
00:32:10.720 Africa. So I was able to connect with him on my time there living and working with the Elizabeth
00:32:18.100 Laser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. So, you know, I found that I wasn't, it wasn't like,
00:32:25.380 how do you support your husband? How does your husband support you? Do you have children? You
00:32:32.120 know, I didn't receive any of those questions. Obviously I can't speak for other women. They
00:32:36.240 might have received those questions but it was more let me look at your bio you do submit a like
00:32:43.300 you submit paperwork so you give you know your occupation where you went to school um your
00:32:49.840 community involvement what your platform is you know what your plan is for why you want to be
00:32:57.140 mrs america or mrs american um and so i found that the the process of being judged especially
00:33:05.720 in the interview portion was very forward thinking, was very much, this is a business,
00:33:10.780 you're a brand representative. How are you going to use this as a platform to further this business,
00:33:17.260 to grow this business and to continue to keep this organization relevant? On stage,
00:33:26.360 I, you know, yes, you're in an evening gown and you're in a swimsuit. But like I said,
00:33:30.460 I felt like I was presenting the best version of myself I mean I wore a gown that was
00:33:39.340 on the level of my wedding dress you know when I tried it on I cried like um I felt so beautiful
00:33:47.360 and elegant and regal um and I didn't feel like I was being you know judged by just you know do my
00:33:57.500 boobs look good in this or, you know, how's my walk in this? I felt, you know, I always say like
00:34:03.520 swimsuit and evening gown, those competitions are one from the neck up. Um, it has nothing to do
00:34:11.020 with, you know, what you look like. It's, are you confident? Are you engaged with the audience?
00:34:17.780 Are you not afraid to make eye contact with the judges? You know, do you have a presence? Um,
00:34:25.660 You know, when I won my state pageant, I did not have the first best body, the second best body, or even the third best body on the stage.
00:34:32.860 I have a bunch of endocrine issues I have over the last three and a half years with the help of really amazing doctors at Cornell.
00:34:41.460 And the right kind of diabetes medicine lost 60 pounds.
00:34:47.060 And, you know, it's been it's been a long journey to be diagnosed, but I knew all I cared about was, am I having the most fun and am I presenting the healthiest version of myself, the best, strongest version of myself?
00:35:03.220 And so I think if you think about it that way, then there's no judgment on antiquated values.
00:35:11.780 You know, there are women with cellulite on the stage.
00:35:14.320 I have cellulite. 1.00
00:35:15.480 Everybody has cellulite.
00:35:16.900 There are, you know, my legs jiggle. And for me, it's like, well, if they're looking at my legs jiggling, then I'm not having enough fun because they should only be looking at my face and how much fun and how empowering this is.
00:35:30.040 So I really didn't feel like I was being judged on antiquated values of femininity or, you know, being a wife or a woman.
00:35:41.020 I really felt like I was just there presenting the best version of myself in that time of my life.
00:35:51.020 And I feel like that can be said for pageantry in general.
00:35:55.200 They want to know how you're going to it's a business, right?
00:35:57.800 It's a business like any other thing.
00:35:59.080 So they want to know, how are you going to be a brand ambassador? 0.99
00:36:01.960 How are you going to help us recruit more women?
00:36:03.740 How are you going to help us stay relevant?
00:36:05.620 How are you going to help us make money?
00:36:07.940 And so they're not looking for the women who are like, well, I just am here because I wanted 0.81
00:36:13.360 to do something for myself, which is totally great if that's why you're there.
00:36:18.060 But in reality, a lot of these organizations are looking for the women who know why you 0.99
00:36:23.500 why now? 1.00
00:36:24.620 Why do we need to pick you right now?
00:36:27.120 This is so enlightening.
00:36:28.180 If you're interested in competing in New York, you know, who's Mrs. Pennsylvania?
00:36:34.100 Should I try to be Mrs. Pennsylvania?
00:36:36.340 One hundred percent.
00:36:37.640 Are you joking me?
00:36:38.740 You absolutely should.
00:36:40.540 If anything, just so you can understand on a deeper level, one, the amount of work that
00:36:47.220 goes into it and just like really when people say pageantry is a sport, it is a sport like
00:36:54.680 you train like a professional athlete.
00:36:56.960 you are working on. I mean, my husband laughs at me. He's like, you can, I have talked my way
00:37:02.560 after grad school into so many jobs that I did not deserve to have because I know how to interview
00:37:10.340 and I know how to communicate and I know how to, you know, own a room. And I think that
00:37:17.580 there are so many transferable skills that pageantry teaches you. And I think
00:37:22.040 that you would find super enlightening. And also it's really fun to play dress up. I know like
00:37:27.900 as a, as a, since the COVID, like I barely put on a regular bra. I like, if I do makeup,
00:37:35.860 it's a really good day. And my husband's like, wow, are you okay? Are you feeling okay?
00:37:41.020 Like, um, you know, so I think that like, I think it's, it's fun to, to get dressed up and
00:37:50.500 have your hair and makeup done and pick out a gown and, you know, find a cause you want to
00:37:56.200 champion. So yes, compete for Mrs. Pennsylvania. I would love to connect you with them or even just
00:38:01.560 go watch the pageant so you can see what it's about for yourself and you can understand or
00:38:06.760 judge the pageant so you can, you know, get to know some of these women and why they're there
00:38:12.560 and what they're advocating for and what they're championing and help them, you know, be a part of 0.97
00:38:18.840 something bigger i will definitely compete for miss missus pennsylvania if it means i'll sell
00:38:26.780 more books oh 100 i mean 100 because i'm just that's all i think about right now is how do i
00:38:35.040 sell more copies of the sicilian inheritance uh so all right all right let me look into this let
00:38:40.620 me look into it i like dressing up i will i will you let me know if you have any questions i'm here
00:38:46.460 to support you. I'm here to help. Oh, all right. Here for that. Here for that. Love it. Tell people
00:38:54.040 where they can find you, how they can learn more. Oh, absolutely. You can find me on Instagram
00:38:59.360 at Rosen Media Consulting. If you want to follow the rest of my year as Mrs. New York,
00:39:05.220 I'm also on Instagram there at 2023 MRSNY America. So 2023 Mrs. NY America. And if you
00:39:14.780 are interested in working with me, figuring out social media for yourself, you can shoot me an
00:39:20.200 email at rosenmediaconsulting at gmail.com. That is all that we've got for today. I loved this
00:39:27.920 conversation. I really did. I love it when people tell me things that I don't know.
00:39:33.440 I like learning stuff. In fact, I've recently been thinking about going back to school
00:39:38.660 to get a PhD in communication
00:39:42.140 so that I can fix this whole media clusterfuck
00:39:46.340 that is ruining our lives.
00:39:48.160 But I will tell you,
00:39:49.320 someone actually told me I was too old
00:39:51.340 to go back and get a PhD.
00:39:53.440 And also that academia doesn't care about influencers.
00:39:57.160 Fun fact, my friends, fun fact.
00:40:00.800 And you know what?
00:40:02.020 Maybe I will try out to be Mrs. Pennsylvania
00:40:04.840 because I contain multitudes
00:40:07.320 and I am full of surprises.
00:40:08.660 One thing that I did find interesting was that Mrs. America gives you this big platform, a big platform, and because Hannah Nealman Ballerina Farm is so recently postpartum, I genuinely think it would be interesting if she used this big platform to talk about how hard this period is for the majority of women.
00:40:37.480 how our country and our culture needs to be kinder to postpartum women and how we can do
00:40:45.380 a lot of things postpartum. I wrote books every time I had kids. We can do things,
00:40:52.920 but we also need to be cared for. We need to be cared for. This is a hard period.
00:40:59.220 Our bodies and our minds go through a lot, and maybe she will. Maybe she will. I hope she does.
00:41:05.900 I hope she uses the fact that she did just have a baby and she's going to go be the Mrs. America. 1.00
00:41:13.200 She uses that as a way to talk about this for all of the millions of mothers who follow her. 0.97
00:41:20.020 I'd love to see it.
00:41:21.220 I'd love to see it.
00:41:22.840 Thank you all for listening.
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