Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - Rewatch My So Called Life With Me

00:00:00.000 Hey all, Joey here and you are listening to Under the Influence.

00:00:10.540 Now just in case anyone wanted a reason to feel old today, or older perhaps, I want to

00:00:19.140 tell you that the television show My So-Called Life premiered 30 years ago.

00:00:26.160 30 freaking years, my friends, 30 years since Angela Chase said she just likes the way that

00:00:32.540 Jordan Catalano leans. Just likes how he leans. Yeah. I was exactly the same age as the character

00:00:39.800 of Angela Chase in that show back in 1994. And I freaking loved it. I loved it when it first ran.

00:00:46.080 I loved it when it was in reruns constantly on MTV. It's one of the first shows I remember

00:00:51.540 watching and being like, oh, oh, this, this is like my life. Wow. Wow. I went back and rewatched

00:01:00.680 the pilot, and then I ended up binging the entire series. And I posted about it on social media,

00:01:07.220 and a lot of you said, hey, what if we did a whole podcast rewatching my so-called life?

00:01:12.320 To which I replied, I've got a podcast. Let's just do it here.

00:01:15.840 Today, I'm joined by Emily and Esme from the podcast Stuck in Stony Brook to revisit this perfect one-season wonder.

00:01:24.580 Come back with me. Come back to 1994, a time before texting, a time with lots of flannel, and a time when watching a boy lean against a locker could change your life.

00:01:35.760 guys I feel like I got into a DeLorean and time traveled back to 1995 after watching

00:01:50.840 re-watching the premiere of my so-called life it definitely it definitely has that effect

00:01:57.200 it does so many things I just I thought we were going to talk about the first two episodes today

00:02:05.460 and we might, but I have so many thoughts on the show generally and on episode one

00:02:12.140 that I just, I don't know if we're going to get to episode two.

00:02:16.280 Yeah, that's fair. There's a lot. There's a lot to say.

00:02:18.820 There is a lot to say. Now, I want to set the scene a little bit.

00:02:22.420 My So-Called Life premiered in 1994. It ran until 1995. There were 19 episodes.

00:02:29.040 I was the exact same age as Angela Chase was in the show.

00:02:34.320 Where were you guys in time when this show came out?

00:02:38.860 Emily, you want to go first?

00:02:40.680 I guess second grade.

00:02:42.280 So I loved when you said you felt like you went back in time because I sort of felt like

00:02:46.580 a time traveler to a place in time I had never been before, which was very fun, I must say.

00:02:53.980 Yeah, I don't remember the show being on TV.

00:02:56.480 like emerged in my consciousness I think like as a dated cultural artifact you know when it was

00:03:04.040 already vintage and classic so okay it's very fun and I've watched this episode once before for

00:03:11.520 something related to our podcast so watching it again was very fun and I I also have some thoughts

00:03:16.860 if we get to episode two so love it I love that you didn't live through this in real time so we've

00:03:22.680 Got different perspectives.

00:03:23.840 Okay.

00:03:24.460 Esme?

00:03:24.800 Yeah.

00:03:25.180 And I'm 10 years older than Emily.

00:03:26.960 So I was 16 in 1994, just a little bit older than Angela and a little bit older than you.

00:03:32.940 And this show was everything.

00:03:35.720 It was everything.

00:03:36.880 No one was talking about anything else.

00:03:39.200 Everybody loved it.

00:03:41.260 And the only complaint people had was there was too much time on the parents, which I 1.00

00:03:45.780 know they had to do because Claire Danes was only 13 and they couldn't work her constantly.

00:03:50.300 But as an adult, I am fascinated by the time with the parents.

00:03:54.540 So that's also fun.

00:03:55.620 Oh, my God.

00:03:56.160 I know.

00:03:56.820 I know.

00:03:57.520 So same here.

00:03:58.720 You know, my so-called life was all anyone could talk about.

00:04:02.260 Like kids, kids were, some kids weren't allowed to watch it. 0.93

00:04:05.620 And watching this as a grown ass mother of two girls, I get it. 0.91

00:04:10.820 And so my perspective is very different as a grown woman watching this. 0.96

00:04:14.860 but I had never seen a show that so accurately captured my life as a teenage girl because

00:04:22.580 Beverly Hills 90210 didn't do it it was like they were fancy okay they lived in California

00:04:27.940 they were very rich that was a different kind of show that was like uber aspirational this just

00:04:34.320 felt like my life well and they were also adults and even as you're watching it as a teenager and

00:04:39.460 you're supposed to believe that they're teenagers you know that they're basically adults I think

00:04:43.720 maybe two i think like david and and donna weren't actually adults yet but most of the people on that

00:04:48.200 show were adults playing teenagers 32 years old okay and everyone knew that yeah okay oh yeah we

00:04:55.100 knew it um hashtag andrea they didn't look they didn't it wasn't even andrea wasn't even the

00:05:00.160 oldest of them i don't think um but because they didn't look like us and claire danes again she's

00:05:05.620 13 when she's playing a 15 year old but she looked like a kid she looks like a kid doing all of the

00:05:12.880 things i will tell you so and we're gonna describe the show a little more and then we'll get into the

00:05:17.280 weeds here but as a 45 year old mother watching this i'm like those kids are drinking they're

00:05:24.020 talking about sex and i'm like yeah that's what you were doing when you were 15 piazza come me

00:05:27.480 f on okay okay like this was our it was my lived reality living in the suburbs of pennsylvania uh

00:05:35.340 so yeah it felt so real it was all anything could talk about and then it only ran for one season

00:05:40.440 and everyone wanted to die inside. Everyone was devastated. And I remember linking in my mind,

00:05:47.760 like the three, the three events that truly devastated me sophomore, junior year of high

00:05:52.780 school were the death of Kurt Cobain, the selling of Sassy to YM Corporation and the gutting of Sassy

00:06:00.720 and the cancellation of my so-called life. And it was like, well, there's nothing to that just

00:06:06.180 doesn't. Everything sucks. Everything sucks. These are all these are three things that should have 0.99

00:06:10.520 gutted you, to be honest. OK, truly, truly. Now, I just want to give a little background of the show

00:06:18.260 for people who might not might not, you know, have lived inside of it the way we did. And also,

00:06:23.940 Emily. Yes, yes. So as I said, My So-Called Life premiered in 1994 on ABC, a very family-friendly

00:06:33.960 network. It received very strong critical acclaim. Critics were obsessed with it,

00:06:40.820 with the emotionally nuanced teenage adolescent characters. But ratings were pretty modest. And

00:06:49.500 I think that's because they put the show in the highly competitive Thursday night 8 p.m. slot. I

00:06:55.540 mean, that's the Friends ER slot, if y'all remember. And it was opposite very popular sitcoms.

00:07:03.600 And so allegedly the ratings were bad.

00:07:06.220 So it only lasted one season.

00:07:07.920 But that one season has 19 episodes because, remember, network TV lasted forever.

00:07:13.080 Yeah.

00:07:13.460 Went on and on and on.

00:07:15.140 Yeah.

00:07:15.580 On and on and on.

00:07:16.620 But then it captured a new audience for another couple years because MTV began airing the reruns after the original run ended.

00:07:26.100 And I think that's actually what made the show a cult classic.

00:07:29.500 Oh, for sure.

00:07:30.440 I feel like it was always on.

00:07:31.880 I mean, we definitely because nobody had, you know, nobody had videos or DVDs of it.

00:07:36.480 Nobody really had access to the Internet in a meaningful way as a teenager in the mid to late 90s.

00:07:42.360 So I definitely rewatched all the episodes on MTV multiple times.

00:07:46.740 Multiple times.

00:07:47.520 And that's why I think it is so seared into our collective memories because of those MTV reruns.

00:07:53.620 Like we didn't just see it once the way.

00:07:55.600 Like, I mean, I did see a lot of episodes of 90210 only once until they started rerunning much, much later.

00:08:02.800 But this felt more visceral because it was on MTV all the time.

00:08:07.980 I did read in an article that it took them two years to do the first run because they would only pick it up like six or five episodes at a time.

00:08:17.280 So even from the get go, it wasn't like a full season of episodes that they agreed to, which is really interesting to thinking about that.

00:08:23.940 like the fight for that time slot or whatever exactly exactly and i gotta say i do think that

00:08:31.900 some of that reticence was because it was a show that was so focused on the inner life of a young

00:08:37.620 woman absolutely absolutely you've got these tv execs who you know then and now still mostly old

00:08:46.340 dudes who are like i don't get it i don't i don't get it uh and so i do think that that was

00:08:53.020 some of the issue with it. And some parents were concerned about it because of its very

00:09:00.100 honest depictions of alcohol use, drug use, sex. A lot of parents were disturbed by that

00:09:08.620 in the 90s. Another thing to note about this show was that it was one of the first shows

00:09:16.260 to fully champion an openly queer character.

00:09:21.180 Ricky on the show is bi.

00:09:23.400 It's not treated great, but it's treated great for the 90s.

00:09:27.320 It's treated amazing for the 90s.

00:09:29.740 It is actually treated amazing for the 90s.

00:09:32.680 There was no one and nothing.

00:09:35.380 Like, Ricky was an absolute revelation.

00:09:37.940 And the fact that the parents are just sort of confused

00:09:40.560 by the fact that he's bi,

00:09:42.080 but they don't, like, ban him from their house

00:09:44.160 was also a revolution.

00:09:45.780 Yes. Yes. And so that is it. So we've got let's do our cast of characters here. OK, we've got Angela Chase. She is Claire Danes. This is Claire Danes breakout role. And frankly, watching it now, you're like, this is still Claire Danes today. She ugly cries in exactly the same way, to be honest. OK, so we've got Claire Danes. She's playing Angela Chase.

00:10:06.000 She's a 15-year-old girl living in the suburbs around Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

00:10:10.540 And, you know, her whole life, she's kind of been this, like, good girl.

00:10:14.180 She becomes a teenager.

00:10:15.360 And she's like, who am I?

00:10:16.520 Who actually am I?

00:10:17.520 What is life?

00:10:18.140 All of the angst starts to come in.

00:10:19.800 And she stops hanging out with her good friend, Sharon, who's kind of a goody-goody, and the

00:10:24.580 cutie-patootie sweet neighbor boy, Brian, and starts hanging out with bad girl, Raeann

00:10:30.120 Graff.

00:10:30.880 and her new friend Ricky, who is bi and then also has such a more complicated storyline that we'll

00:10:36.440 get into later on, but it ends up being a really beautiful story arc. Angela Chase has a huge crush

00:10:43.580 on a boy named Jordan Catalano, played by Jared Leto. My favorite line ever is when she's like,

00:10:49.500 I just like the way he leans. Joe, we had a whole conversation with Emily when we

00:10:54.120 talked about this on our patron-only feed for our podcast, where Emily was like,

00:10:58.820 did leaning mean something special in the 90s? Does that mean, like, vibe? And we're like, no.

00:11:05.040 And you're like, it meant nothing. She literally just likes the way that he leans on things.

00:11:08.720 Okay. That's all she likes.

00:11:09.960 Yeah. Well, I thought maybe there was some doublespeak subtext there, you know,

00:11:14.220 that it was like a wink to, like, a literal lean, but maybe something else implied,

00:11:18.920 which I still am not convinced I'm not right about that.

00:11:22.240 Nope. Nope. I do not believe it means anything except he leans. And he does lean a lot. He's

00:11:27.660 leaning against lockers he's leaning at door frames he's leaning in the boiler room there's

00:11:31.540 a lot of leaning here okay there's also a lot of flannel yes so joe were you obsessed with

00:11:37.920 jordan canelano i thought that he was like the end all be all of teen crushes so handsome and

00:11:45.620 also but i gotta say again looking back as a middle-aged lady i'm like so dumb the worst so 0.84

00:11:53.360 like he's the worst okay he just like he can barely form a sentence but he's so pretty he's 0.86

00:12:01.220 so so pretty and i mean i understand why 15 year old angela was captivated by him right she clearly

00:12:09.780 mistakes his vacuousness for like mystery right for mystery yeah yeah and the truth that we know

00:12:17.960 is it's not just kind of dumb yeah just a boy just a boy he's just a boy yeah uh but yes so

00:12:27.500 handsome she's just like he is her first crush she's completely obsessed and most of the plot 0.91

00:12:34.780 of the first episode is her new bad girlfriend rayanne graft trying to get angela to go places

00:12:43.560 where Jordan and his bad boyfriends are going to be hanging out. 0.52

00:12:47.760 So like a house party she probably shouldn't be going to on a Thursday night.

00:12:51.700 And then a club.

00:12:53.380 I'm like, where are these clubs?

00:12:54.780 I didn't see clubs in the suburbs.

00:12:57.080 I love that.

00:12:58.040 The same thing comes up in the Babysitter's Club movie

00:13:00.620 where the older boy takes him to a teen club.

00:13:05.480 And we were like, where are these?

00:13:07.180 Where did these actually exist?

00:13:09.380 Where were these clubs?

00:13:10.260 I don't think they actually existed.

00:13:11.820 And also they go to, like, a backyard party where there's a full-on rave with a very good Guns N' Roses cover band.

00:13:18.880 Yeah.

00:13:19.020 Okay.

00:13:19.560 On a Thursday.

00:13:20.560 On a Thursday.

00:13:22.220 On a Thursday.

00:13:23.320 Yeah.

00:13:23.900 I mean, so we twinge belief a little bit.

00:13:27.940 But the whole arc of the first episode is Angela wanting to get in front of Jordan Catalano, wanting to get him to notice her.

00:13:38.220 And she lets Ray in.

00:13:40.260 This is the big thing. 0.99

00:13:41.020 The big thing is that she lets Rae Ann dye her hair Manic Panic Red.

00:13:46.800 And she looks gorgeous.

00:13:48.480 She looks gorgeous.

00:13:49.780 I know.

00:13:50.540 I know.

00:13:51.040 But prior to dyeing her hair red, she looks like a child.

00:13:55.040 Right?

00:13:55.880 And then afterwards, she looks much more like a teenager.

00:13:59.260 I was obsessed with that hair color.

00:14:00.640 What did you think of it?

00:14:02.000 Absolutely.

00:14:02.660 Also obsessed.

00:14:03.620 Had it.

00:14:04.360 Did it.

00:14:04.580 Had it.

00:14:05.040 Did it.

00:14:05.320 Yeah.

00:14:05.580 It really does age her up, though, too.

00:14:09.640 It totally does.

00:14:10.620 yeah exactly what it's supposed to do yeah it's a great color i mean i would do it now yeah i would

00:14:17.020 go out tomorrow and buy manic panic red from what wet seal or what was what was the other one it was

00:14:23.140 in the mall next to spencers oh man it's not i'm i'll think of it i'll think of it yeah we had like

00:14:31.760 a local store in sacramento called evangeline that sold it that's where we bought it but i saw it in

00:14:36.740 a vending machine in the Tokyo airport the other day oh my god amazing manic panic manic manic

00:14:43.060 specifically manic panic and I'm actually kicking myself for not buying it yeah that's amazing I

00:14:47.280 know I know because it's also in Japanese yeah I feel like that's a color Esme's oldest kid would

00:14:52.320 do oh yeah for sure oh yeah yeah so I mean she she looks gorgeous her mother is horrified and I want 0.82

00:15:00.860 to I want to get into the parents of it all let's take a quick break and then let's let's talk about 0.99

00:15:04.700 Angela's parents okay we're back Angela's parents uh I thought it was so they were so annoying

00:15:19.400 when I was a kid there every storyline about them I'm like get them off the screen I want nothing

00:15:24.260 nothing to do with these with these parents bring me very funny to me can I ask a question about

00:15:29.640 this so my like i think parallel cultural artifact from when i was a teen is the oc right i was like

00:15:36.860 the age they were when it came out and watched it when it was on tv and then later collected the

00:15:41.560 dvds and have since watched it a million times and i loved the parent arcs in the oc so it wasn't

00:15:47.280 just like the 10-year difference made all the difference or did people wise up to like if you're

00:15:53.200 gonna sell a show to teens and have parents on it you better make the parents like as fallible as

00:15:58.280 the kids are like, what had changed between the disdain for the parents in my so-called life and

00:16:03.360 like the early 2000s? This is such a such a good question. So good. I the OC kind of passed me by

00:16:11.920 because I was in college. Right. And like college and early 20s. So I'm not watching it in real time

00:16:17.000 in the same way. Right. So I've only seen a couple episodes at the behest of Emily. But I do think

00:16:23.360 correct me if I'm wrong Em that the the parent plots are pretty wild like they're insane yeah

00:16:29.620 so that's the difference they're crazier than the kid plots like way crazier yeah I think they on

00:16:36.140 my so-called life they kept the parents also very realistic with the same tone of the realism of the

00:16:42.480 teenagers and so they're so it's boring dealing with yeah so it's boring if you're a teenager

00:16:47.460 you're like that's what my parents are dealing with I don't want to look at this I don't want

00:16:50.540 to watch this i don't want to watch this and i would compare the oc parents i've seen enough of

00:16:54.360 the episodes right to the gossip girl parents as well where it's like the parent storylines are a

00:16:59.320 freaking soap opera right and also they're beautiful people yeah they're like they're

00:17:03.440 stunning to watch yeah whereas angela's parents are much more similar to cindy and jim walsh

00:17:12.880 i think on beverly hills 90210 where you're like they're just just parents just parents

00:17:18.640 concert parent here patty and grandma aren't anything special yeah how old aren't anything

00:17:22.580 special they're 41 they're 41 years okay okay and how old are the actors 41 oh okay okay i ran

00:17:31.420 their i ran their age based off the actor's real age so i mean they never say the age in the show

00:17:36.360 but yeah um amazing patty is is 41 years old which is younger than i am uh-huh younger than

00:17:43.620 me too it's very upsetting but if you dig in the storylines are actually interestingly

00:17:52.720 progressive but you only notice that if you watch as a grown-up one thing that struck me

00:17:57.340 obviously is that patty's the breadwinner of the family and angela totally takes note of that

00:18:05.400 um i wrote down a line that she said uh because so patty's family had this business and then

00:18:13.240 And Graham started working for her.

00:18:16.040 And Angela says, she's like, my mom took over the business.

00:18:20.800 She's kind of my dad's boss now, which I think he tries not to think about.

00:18:26.100 Yeah.

00:18:27.280 Yikes.

00:18:28.200 Yikes.

00:18:29.120 Yikes.

00:18:29.780 In so many ways.

00:18:30.700 And then we do have a storyline of Graham having an affair, which shatters Angela.

00:18:37.400 That starts in the first episode.

00:18:39.160 uh and also but then there's one thing that really bothers me Angela's in a towel 0.52

00:18:44.220 and Graham is weird about her boobs this is the part that we hated this is the only thing in the 0.76

00:18:49.380 first episode that we're like nope that's weird no this is weird I hate this like really like a 0.94

00:18:53.420 dad can't handle his daughter being naked like yeah are you kidding me yeah that's so creepy

00:18:59.000 and that for me felt very much male coded too um that like maybe like the male the men on the set

00:19:07.400 were like weird about her being in a towel. But because I'm like, no dad that I know would be

00:19:11.380 like, oh, my God, my daughter's boobs. Gross. No, no, no, no. There's the larger existential 0.99

00:19:17.880 like she's growing up. Oh, my God, my daughter had boobs. She's growing up. Like that kind of 1.00

00:19:22.020 thing, but not about the boobs themselves. Not about the boobs themselves. It was too much about 0.99

00:19:25.960 the boobs themselves. And I did not like that. Did not enjoy that part. My only thought about

00:19:30.420 that when I was reflecting, you know, watching it again for this was, is it more because Angela

00:19:36.840 can't understand it like because Angela has the limited view of a 15 year old and and maybe it is

00:19:42.620 the existential thing and he's uncomfortable more broadly he doesn't know how to parent a teenager

00:19:47.360 but she's like he's freaked out that I have boobs but we don't see it from Angela's point of view

00:19:53.040 we see it as the parents solo and that she says something about that though she does she does but

00:19:58.220 then we also see the parents but then he's like he's like a bigger towel can we get her a bigger

00:20:01.520 a towel and I'm like oh gross yeah super gross super gross but I've got to say I sympathize with

00:20:09.340 Patti so hard I did not stand Patti when I watched this as a 15 year old I'm like oh Patti's the

00:20:14.880 worst and my parents were much more Rayanne like than um than the than the chases uh I mean not

00:20:22.140 to the extent of how terrible Rayanne's absent mom is but like they were definitely not the like

00:20:27.920 Like, super, like, perfect kind of family parent. 1.00

00:20:31.860 But I did watch this mom, and I'm like, oh, she's so overbearing. 0.72

00:20:35.160 It's so much.

00:20:35.640 And now I'm like, why did she let her go sleep at Raeann's house?

00:20:38.660 She doesn't even know Raeann's mother.

00:20:41.200 Yeah.

00:20:41.820 Yeah.

00:20:42.660 And she's so lonely. 0.50

00:20:44.740 She's so lonely.

00:20:45.580 Why doesn't she have friends?

00:20:46.900 Everyone on this show is lonely.

00:20:48.600 Everyone on this show is lonely.

00:20:50.320 Yes.

00:20:50.520 That, I think, is why it's so huge for teens and why you relate to it as a teenager.

00:20:56.740 because probably there are different reasons for being lonely.

00:20:59.520 But literally everyone is alone.

00:21:01.780 Right.

00:21:01.920 But you don't think of your parents as like humans who also experience loneliness.

00:21:06.140 So if you're like 15 watching it, you're like, oh, why are we sympathizing with the mom?

00:21:11.500 Mom's just a mom.

00:21:12.720 Yeah. 0.98

00:21:12.900 Mom is just a mom.

00:21:13.680 She's trying so hard, though.

00:21:15.060 She is.

00:21:15.460 She just she buys the cheese, a block of cheese.

00:21:18.140 It's all of her cheese.

00:21:20.280 She's very frustrated by that. 0.96

00:21:21.960 And, again, watching as a parent, you're like, I would immediately look at Raeanne Graff and be like, you're freaking trouble, girl.

00:21:28.220 No, I don't want you hanging out with my girl. 1.00

00:21:31.120 Like, you've got issues.

00:21:32.440 You've got issues that you should, you go solve them over there.

00:21:36.280 That's so funny.

00:21:37.580 I thought also, too, the, like, Patty as a parent is linked to Patty as a wife in an interesting way, right?

00:21:45.620 Like she and I thought the discussion of the dad like kind of anticipates some of the contemporary discussions around like male loneliness or whatever, like crisis of masculinity, this idea that he is resentful in some way because of her success and because of the way that the typical balance of power is kind of skewed.

00:22:06.360 But then Patty's also like mad at herself when she acts like a typical mom, but she does have that instinct, right? Like, oh, this kid is trouble, but like, I don't want to be like my parents. I don't want to do things the old fashioned way. I don't want to be only a mom and not also like a woman who's successful and whatever.

00:22:24.800 So I thought that that was actually really nicely rendered and like a very thoughtful treatment of like what's difficult and lonely for her about her self-understanding, self-concept as a mom, but also as a wife.

00:22:37.540 It's yeah.

00:22:38.980 No, I think it's well drawn.

00:22:40.380 I do.

00:22:40.860 And I think you're so right that we see kind of the prelude to the male loneliness epidemic.

00:22:48.460 Or dare I say that the male loneliness epidemic has always been, has always been.

00:22:53.220 And now we're just finally paying attention to it, to be honest.

00:22:58.080 Like, I don't think men ever, like, traveled with big groups of bro friends and, like, called up their friends and talked about their emotions.

00:23:05.900 No, but when they all had a wife at home, they would go to the bar after work or they would be on their bowling team. 0.89

00:23:14.500 when the woman's job was to do everything in the house, they had more of an external social life 0.61

00:23:22.600 in third stasis. But that's been gone a long time. That was already gone in the 90s. 0.95

00:23:26.980 It was. It was. But you're very, very right that, you know, the rise of women both in the

00:23:32.400 workforce and then the rise of women as the breadwinner, which you know that I'm fascinated 0.99

00:23:37.320 about uh has given men less time to or less perceived time to essentially just fuck off 0.99

00:23:46.780 yeah fuck around fuck around yeah exactly um i mean god bless god bless but that it is the 0.99

00:23:57.220 relationship between angela and her father is very interesting because she loves him she idolizes him 0.99

00:24:01.980 but she also feels sorry for him she's like he just wanted to be a chef and then he couldn't 0.99

00:24:06.820 because of my mom it's her fault it's her fault stupid babies yeah how do you get patty gets 0.99

00:24:13.020 blamed for everything but that was also very true and i related to it so hard because i blamed my 0.99

00:24:19.580 own mother for literally everything when i was 15 years old right so like all of it rings true 0.96

00:24:26.480 as a 15 and i did like i said i time traveled in a delorean to this time um i felt like a goddamn 0.52

00:24:32.840 15 year old again i really did i'm gonna after i after i take a shower i'm gonna put on some

00:24:37.180 flannel today yeah and some doc martens because everything old is new again too it's a great day

00:24:43.780 for it here in new york city i don't know about where you are but yeah no this feels like a nice

00:24:48.780 day for some flannel and some doc martens absolutely absolutely uh and the fashion the

00:24:53.760 fashion is so top-notch it truly is perfect it's perfect we all wanted all of angela's clothes or

00:24:59.760 If you didn't want Angela's clothes, you wanted Raeann's clothes.

00:25:02.520 Yes.

00:25:03.240 Yes.

00:25:03.500 It's tank tops.

00:25:04.400 It's flannels.

00:25:05.260 It's chokers and baggy jeans.

00:25:07.600 And also like dresses.

00:25:08.800 She has some really good dresses later on in the season that I remember being like, oh, I could wear a dress to school.

00:25:15.000 Like that didn't occur to me initially as a teenager.

00:25:18.760 The baby doll dresses.

00:25:19.780 Yeah.

00:25:20.060 I love the baby doll dresses and then the slip dresses and just, yes, all of it is perfection.

00:25:26.140 And I got to say, Ricky's eyeliner is so well done.

00:25:29.760 So good.

00:25:30.920 He does eyeliner so much better than J.D. Vance.

00:25:35.240 It's a low bar, but yes.

00:25:36.860 It's a low bar.

00:25:38.040 But let's be honest, if J.D. Vance could just watch some episodes of My So-Called Life, he could really up his eyeliner game.

00:25:45.540 I wouldn't put it past Wilson Cruz to offer that on Instagram.

00:25:49.640 You know what?

00:25:50.380 I'm considering reaching out to Wilson and tagging him, be like, can you help our vice president?

00:25:56.500 Or what if you become vice president?

00:25:59.000 Yeah, what if you become vice president? Because you would clearly do a better job at this Wilson

00:26:05.340 Cruz. Yes, absolutely. All right, let's take let's take one more quick break. And then I want to get

00:26:09.920 into some of the one liners in this show. Okay, we're back. What I've got to say is all of the

00:26:24.940 dialogue to me feels like one long taylor swift song oh 100 yeah like the ones that i wrote down

00:26:31.800 listen to this i mean they they're all lyrics they're all the names of a taylor swift song

00:26:35.440 essentially it's like it just seemed like if i didn't do it i would die or something

00:26:41.320 yeah cheerleaders cheerleaders can't people just cheer alone to themselves it's so good i the very

00:26:50.220 first line that anyone speaks in episode two is i've been kissed three times yeah it's perfect

00:26:57.060 it's perfect intro it brings you right in yeah i love i don't remember exactly what she says but

00:27:03.160 in the um i think we've talked about this before too emily but in the first episode

00:27:07.320 when they're reading anne frank and angela says under her breath something like lucky about

00:27:13.080 about Anne Frank yeah that where you can hear a pin drop in the room let's dissect that whole

00:27:20.360 scene so Angela we see a lot of Angela in school and another line about that Angela says about

00:27:26.340 school is school is a battlefield for your heart she's not wrong she's not wrong okay she also

00:27:35.260 compares the cafeteria to prison yeah to a prison cafeteria but she's got she's got this English

00:27:42.460 teacher who is also the yearbook advisor. And Angela is quitting all the things that her old 1.00

00:27:47.980 self loved. She's quitting her old friends. She's quitting yearbook because she just doesn't see

00:27:51.940 the point. She has this great monologue about the yearbook where it's how people are making a book

00:27:57.140 of what they really, what they want life to be like, but it's all actually pretend. And then

00:28:03.340 she says, if you made a book of what really happened, it would be a really upsetting book.

00:28:07.180 Mm-hmm. Such a good prelude to Instagram and everything that's happening now. It's kind of

00:28:13.420 amazing. Such a good prelude. And so they're reading Anne Frank in school, and Angela loves

00:28:21.800 it. She actually loves it, and I think she loves reading, and she does love school. I think school

00:28:26.780 isn't cool. But yeah, the teacher asks her about it, and tell us what she says. Her line is,

00:28:34.560 She was stuck in an attic for three years with this guy she really liked.

00:28:40.180 Yeah.

00:28:41.480 So good.

00:28:42.940 And you see all of her old friends cringe.

00:28:46.000 Everybody is scandalized.

00:28:48.280 Everybody is horrified.

00:28:50.000 Scandalized and just horrified by it.

00:28:52.800 And then that's when the teacher asks Angela to talk after class.

00:28:57.400 And Angela has also the same thoughts that I had about teachers when I was 15.

00:29:01.060 like it's so embarrassing to watch them eat and to see their bra straps yeah the bra strap one

00:29:06.700 sent me I was like oh my god are kids this brutal yes but then I had some flashbacks and I was like

00:29:14.380 oh no you were worse I think oh we were worse we were worse and then I'm looking at that teacher

00:29:18.480 I'm like that core underpaid teacher it was just she's just trying she's just trying so hard she

00:29:22.700 wants to make sure this student isn't falling behind she agrees that Rayanne Graff is a bad

00:29:26.960 influence yeah i um there's a couple really good ones in in episode two as well so uh at the very

00:29:36.000 beginning after i've been kissed three times angela is talking about not wanting to throw

00:29:39.900 herself at jordan and rayanne says people throwing themselves at people is like the basis of

00:29:44.240 civilization it is which i don't know what you think about that as a political scientist emily

00:29:50.680 but i think it's not too far off i mean some people i think that's the basic the basis of

00:29:56.480 like the realism paradigm and international relation. It's Hobbes. It's Machiavelli,

00:30:06.360 arguably. Yeah, I think there's there's roots there. Wait, can I can we go back to Anne Frank

00:30:11.540 for one second? Yeah, of course we can. Yeah. Is the idea of being stuck in an attic for three

00:30:15.980 years with your crush something that you think is like appealing or does that sound terrible

00:30:22.740 to you personally i mean i think if you're stuck in an attic with jordan catalano for more than

00:30:27.820 two hours you finally realize how dumb he is yeah it's true he would not be your crush for very much

00:30:33.200 longer no he sure would not okay that would that's ending real quick three years is so excessive for 0.97

00:30:39.680 that to be like lucky hi the 15 year like here's where i'll come in with the like development

00:30:45.520 knowledge like a 15 year old doesn't really know what three years is like like like seventh grade

00:30:50.360 is a million years away from from 10th grade she's not thinking about she's just like all the

00:30:54.960 time i need because i can't make this happen right now because i can't make this happen right now

00:30:59.560 but she does make this happen at the end of the episode because jordan finally notices her

00:31:06.560 and i want to talk about that because i again when i was 15 i was like this totally makes sense and 0.89

00:31:13.340 back if i if i go through my memory i'm like oh yeah you were doing this shit when you were 15 0.96

00:31:17.260 years old. I'm horrified now as a mother. Horrified. She tells her mom that she's going to sleep at 0.99

00:31:22.740 Raeann's. Her mom is upset about it because she doesn't know Raeann's mom. And the truth is,

00:31:28.220 Raeann's mom's not even going to be there. And they're also not sleeping there. They're going

00:31:32.400 to a club that some guy named Tino is going to get them into. Tino's the best. And a great name.

00:31:38.380 Tino is the best, okay? Like, Tino is the ubiquitous, like, well, Tino's going to be there.

00:31:42.780 Tino knows how to do this and it is such a classic world without phones because Tino never shows and

00:31:51.600 they have no way to contact Tino right and I actually love this scene because it shows the

00:31:59.360 boredom but like the beautiful boredom of not having phones so they're waiting for Tino to

00:32:05.480 show up they can't get in the club because they're children yeah and they're drinking out of a whiskey

00:32:11.140 bottle, too. Like, they're slugging down whiskey. And Angela and Rayanne get drunk and alone. And

00:32:18.680 we're with Ricky, just sitting in this alley, just talking because they got nothing else to do

00:32:23.180 and nowhere else to go. And I loved it. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, and I think this

00:32:30.220 is a parallel with the Babysitter's Club, too. A lot of the things they get into, they would never

00:32:33.720 get into if there was the internet and phones. It's, you know, all of these things happen in a

00:32:39.180 world where that those things don't exist so you have to I love the phrase you use beautiful boredom

00:32:45.220 you have to just figure something out and the only people you have to entertain you are your friends

00:32:49.940 and you just sit there and chat that's the thing like they're not looking at instagrams or tiktoks

00:32:54.820 they're just they're chatting about who has prettier ankles to be honest and yes yes that

00:33:01.040 that exquisite boredom is just so delightful it truly is so then they try to get into the club 0.70

00:33:07.000 And these like, oh, gross old older guys come out who are probably like in college. Right. And they're disgusting. They're so disgusting. And Rayanne is like, we should go off with them in their car. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm like, I want to die. 0.97

00:33:22.920 as i'm watching this it's terrifying uh and angela doesn't know what to do she's hesitating

00:33:29.380 ricky's like it's okay you can go i don't want to be trouble and the guy assaults rayann right

00:33:34.540 there in the parking lot like sexually assaults her in the parking lot and the police end up

00:33:39.340 intervening and rayann and angela get taken home in a cop car yeah and angela's excited by the

00:33:46.660 whole thing because this is the moment this is something is happening like she that is what she

00:33:51.060 said she's like something is finally happening in my life and jordan sees her get put in the cop car

00:33:56.000 and is like i know that girl and now she is cool i know she's cool and all of this made so much

00:34:05.580 sense to me as a 15 year old girl i was also really struck by the less the like nostalgia

00:34:12.240 for beautiful boredom but like the specificity of being in trouble because nobody knows where you

00:34:18.500 are like that was so pre-cell phone and such a like my experience of being a teenager getting

00:34:25.660 in trouble like the biggest trouble you can ever be in is to not be where you said you were going

00:34:32.120 to be and for your parent to not be able to find you that's like the the pinnacle of that

00:34:38.780 pinnacle of trouble absolutely absolutely and but also it made me think about how much overkill

00:34:46.220 like how much like excessive information we have in our lives and good example you know be my five

00:34:54.000 year old was at a play date with another little five year old and their mom yesterday uh and a

00:35:00.340 play date like 10 blocks away and the mom texted me updates like every 10 minutes like oh i'm gonna

00:35:06.720 i'm gonna warm them up with some hot chocolate now we're getting on the bus soon we're on the

00:35:10.200 bus now and i'm like i don't need to know any of this right no thank you no no no thank you of

00:35:14.580 course, I'm going to look at it because I'm like, oh, I should now I should respond when I desperately

00:35:18.740 want to not be on my phone. Right. Like I'm trying to be off my phone more often. And yet I'm like,

00:35:23.620 I don't need real time updates. Go have a play date with my kid. Like it's insane to me how much

00:35:30.380 information we have about them all the time right now that I do not actually want. Yeah. Yeah. That's

00:35:35.700 fascinating, too, because you can imagine it starts as like a politeness thing like, oh, I don't want

00:35:42.000 you, the parent who's in absence, thinking that I'm like being sketchy or being rude or being

00:35:46.940 weird. And then it just becomes this like, you know, excess proliferation of something that

00:35:51.880 probably nobody really wants to be doing in the first place. She probably doesn't want to be

00:35:55.400 doing it either. Nope. No one wants this. Nobody wants this. Now, all right. My last question for

00:36:03.760 you. Did this pilot make you want to keep watching the show? Emily. Yes. I'm very excited

00:36:11.680 to get to hang up not to hang up but to after i hang up go watch episode three actually um episode

00:36:19.080 two like sent me to the parents like ballroom dancing the the like metaphor of like science

00:36:26.860 experiment as like a way to think about sociality i was like this show is so good yeah yeah there

00:36:33.660 were like 13 metaphors in episode two well all right you you guys clearly want to talk about

00:36:38.700 episode two let's do let's do episode two right now give me a recap of episode two okay in episode

00:36:44.640 two um there's a controversy in school that's like we have to figure out this science project

00:36:51.780 and they have to be in pairs and so angela gets paired with her awkward neighbor um i just forgot

00:36:56.960 his name brian krakow yeah i also can i talk about brian krakow for a second because i thought he was

00:37:03.000 just like the nerdiest nerd of nerd town when i was 15 years old and watching him now i'm like

00:37:07.260 he is the cutest he's look he's so cute he is cute as a button he's so smart he's so funny

00:37:13.680 i'm like i'm watching it as a mom i'm like you should date brian cracker uh-huh yeah which

00:37:18.580 patty agrees with you yeah she does yeah because patty patty has a lot of common sense

00:37:23.120 and then like the the parent plot is that patty and graham are both separately kind of like oh

00:37:30.060 our marriage isn't as sexy as it used to be and patty's like maybe she's talking to her friend

00:37:35.380 And her friend's like, this is going to sound silly, but you should do a ballroom dancing class.

00:37:38.700 And then she floats it to the dad and he's like, that sounds really lame. 0.76

00:37:43.060 But then he's talking to his younger brother, who's kind of like a playboy.

00:37:46.460 And the brother is like, you guys' marriage seems solid.

00:37:49.900 And then he, of course, doesn't, you know, persuade him otherwise, but then goes back inside and is like, we should maybe we should check out that class.

00:37:57.000 And so much of the episode is them in the class.

00:37:59.240 I was dying.

00:38:00.400 It's like 20 full minutes of a 43 minute episode.

00:38:03.860 they're like in a ballroom dancing club i know doing very badly doing very badly which i found

00:38:09.680 so cringe even as an adult okay like i'm enjoying the adult storyline so much more now but i found

00:38:15.300 this very very cringe then and now yeah yeah yeah okay i had one question uh when they're doing the

00:38:23.160 heart vivisection the teacher says students who are opposed can opt out was that uh like a thing

00:38:32.240 in the 90s or was that like a precursor to kind of the the sort of like trigger warning practice

00:38:38.480 or like do they have to do that now do kids have to do dissection still and what's the like

00:38:43.780 practice on some sort of opposition to it so i think i'm the only one with teenagers in the house

00:38:50.720 i have no idea they do do do them now and they do have to have uh you know a real reason to not do

00:39:00.760 which in Berkeley California you can imagine a number of kids do so if they do then they have

00:39:06.660 to do an alternate assignment and this was exactly the same in the 90s because you know we're in you

00:39:11.820 know we're just post save the whales save the rainforest the animal rights like PETA's getting

00:39:16.240 big so there were definitely kids in my school that were like I'm opposed to you know and then

00:39:21.160 you'd have but they would always the biology teacher would always make the alternate assignment

00:39:24.080 really hard so it was like there was a disincentive to not do the dissection that's so crazy because

00:39:29.880 i remember like opting out of sex ed was the easiest thing in the world but i don't remember

00:39:34.460 any biology teacher ever being like you can opt out of this dissection if you want so i was like

00:39:39.280 whoa yeah pittsburgh is so yeah well i do think i will say i think that there we're seeing the

00:39:47.000 start of a lot of progressive things in this um you know in episode one where ryan gets assaulted

00:39:53.780 by the guys in the parking lot and angela comes home in the police car and brian crack i was like

00:39:58.240 what happens and angela kind of starts telling him he's like you mean like sexual assault

00:40:01.460 so like they're starting with this language and but and when they use it it's almost like they're

00:40:06.780 testing the waters with it yeah trying to see what they can say what commentary they can make

00:40:14.960 how it works in the world it's yeah it's it's it's it's really well and i think that the scenes

00:40:20.720 in school are so well done. I mean, the show was really a precursor, I think, to shows like The

00:40:28.660 O.C. and Gossip Girl. For sure. Even more so than Beverly Hills 90210 was. Yeah, I really think this

00:40:37.540 is in a separate category because there was nothing that was realistic that really felt

00:40:43.360 like high school fells. Like you said, 90210 was aspirational and we knew that they were phonies.

00:40:49.660 You know, we knew there were grownups. We knew there were grownups in kids clothes. Well, and and OC and Gossip Girl were also both very aspirational, like, you know, rich people, big houses. Yeah. All the things. Right. But at the same time, I do think that they had a little bit more real teen drama than, you know, the adults play acting as children in Beverly Hills, 90210.

00:41:12.700 Absolutely. Yeah. I also read both of those as a little bit more self-consciously social satire. So like there's really real parts and then there's super exaggerated parts for the purpose of kind of like offering a critique.

00:41:25.500 yes yes exactly well and also so my so-called life is truly you know one of the last shows

00:41:34.560 one of the last teen shows without cell phones and and not social media because

00:41:40.320 i was seeing gossip girl didn't have social media but they had texting and texting was such a big

00:41:44.020 part of it and blogs were such a big part of it so i my so-called life also feels like the first

00:41:49.300 show that is truly offline or like the first of these these teens i mean it feels like the last

00:41:54.620 of these teen shows that is truly offline yeah yeah well and i think they even had cell phones

00:41:59.700 on 90210 because they were rich kids right so exactly they had some cell phones but nobody in

00:42:05.440 this pittsburgh suburb is going to have cell phones no exactly so you can't get a hold of

00:42:09.140 anyone um it is surprising i think a couple people on the show probably have beepers i had a beeper

00:42:13.640 in 95 very cool very i was pretty cool guys i was i didn't get a beeper till college joe so

00:42:19.820 So that's pretty impressive.

00:42:21.020 Yeah, I've had a beeper.

00:42:22.880 I was drinking some St. I'ds in a mall parking lot while my boyfriend worked at Chick-fil-A.

00:42:28.300 Okay, no wonder you love this show.

00:42:32.220 So do we want to talk about what happens with Jordan at the end of episode two?

00:42:36.160 Yeah, we do.

00:42:36.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:37.160 So the Jordan storyline is moving forward very quickly.

00:42:41.440 Talk to us about this. 1.00

00:42:42.260 And Rayanne, so Angela has to work on this extra credit project with Brian Krakow because 0.93

00:42:48.320 basically he already lied to the teacher and said that she worked on it so he's like the least you

00:42:51.640 could do is come over and help and ryan convinces her to go because she decides that's the perfect

00:42:56.800 place for angela to have some alone time with jordan so basically brian's parents are out of

00:43:01.480 town she's going to go over there to work on his volume meter where he's got like a mouse trapped

00:43:06.540 in a little terrifying chamber it's very upsetting this is not this is not better than a dissection

00:43:11.780 No. And Rayanne and Ricky go as well and are like clearly stressing Brian out. And then the plan

00:43:18.620 is for Jordan to come and deliver Angela's fake ID that he got Tino to make her at all at Brian's

00:43:25.720 house, which is also very funny. Of course, Tino makes fake IDs. Exactly. And we have this third

00:43:30.560 location that's not school and not Angela's house, but it's literally across the street from Angela's

00:43:34.480 house. So we think that the parents might notice, but of course they don't because they're wrapped

00:43:38.040 up in their own challenges and drama they have so much i think they're still at dance class

00:43:42.780 they're still at ballroom dancing guys still at ballroom dancing and then we see it's our first

00:43:49.220 indication that jordan is terrible um because he comes over and he tells angela to get in the car

00:43:55.680 and she's like amazed that he's there and he's talking to her and then he just tries to kiss her

00:44:02.580 when she's mid-sentence and this is my favorite part in terms of the the feminism of it all and

00:44:08.960 the doing is that she says she pushes him off of her and says i was talking and his response

00:44:14.840 he says you talk a lot yep and then bless her angela says i've said like eight sentences to

00:44:21.480 you in my whole life yeah so good it's incredible it's so good it's also i'm also i just think

00:44:31.000 so accurate for the time period too and girls being so self-conscious like am i talking too

00:44:37.800 much am i not doing the right things and just not realizing that he's the worst that he's the worst

00:44:43.640 legit the worst and then he tries to kiss her again and she pushes him off again like hang on

00:44:50.200 you have to work up to these things and then the moment passes and then she's talking to him and

00:44:54.420 she's like now i want you to kiss me in her head but he doesn't he's like well i gotta go and he

00:44:58.700 leaves it's miserable yes yeah and yet and yet and yet still as a 15 year old girl i continue

00:45:09.300 to long for him right yes well i assume that their arc doesn't end in episode two right no

00:45:15.520 i guess i have to keep watching you need to keep watching it does not but like even after like what

00:45:22.320 amazes me now watching it is that even after all of like of watching him be so so terrible and not 0.99

00:45:29.860 even a douchebag he's not douchebag terrible he's just this is kind of like a jerk yeah yeah he's 0.97

00:45:36.160 like a basic b is what he is exactly and after watching that i'm still my 15 year old self was 0.99

00:45:42.160 still like i want that to be my boyfriend goals goals love that oh my gosh are you gonna ignore

00:45:49.260 me a little bit and then bad kiss me in the front of a car I'll marry you totally but the mess so

00:45:54.060 much of the messaging back then and I think so much messaging now too and we talk about this

00:45:57.860 from a feminist perspective is well if he's ignoring you a little bit he just likes you so 1.00

00:46:03.040 much yeah gross yeah and if that is that if that is one thing I can drill into my daughters I'm 1.00

00:46:08.540 like is if he's ignoring you if he's teasing you if he's pinching you on the playground he has

00:46:12.720 social issues and he's not being raised correctly something bad is happening in his house yeah

00:46:18.800 yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly the last line that i really wanted to get emily's take on

00:46:25.260 was hattie complaining about her the strictures of being a mom in 1994 emily's already laughing

00:46:33.180 she says i'm not allowed to sing i'm not allowed to dance amish mom and i just i felt it so deeply

00:46:44.720 what yeah what did you guys think about that i mean i thought it was really endearing actually

00:46:50.240 yeah that's the thing i find patty really endearing when i don't find her annoying

00:46:54.380 right yeah but i mean even my five-year-olds like stop singing stop it yeah but like why are

00:47:00.300 only moms embarrassing and not dads you know oh no graham is never embarrassing except when he's

00:47:06.400 shipping someone that's not patty well he's almost shipping her almost he gets his little brother to

00:47:11.880 talk him out of it yes in a very bold move where he just says talk me out of it and his brother's

00:47:17.340 like don't do it and he's like okay because graham's a good guy because at the end of the day

00:47:21.200 graham is a good guy yeah yeah yeah it's like what kind of friend do you need me to be yeah

00:47:27.020 yeah okay um all right well i mean i'm gonna keep going i'm doing a full rewatch you guys i'd love

00:47:33.000 to have you back to rejoin me for more episodes down the road more about it yeah i mean this is

00:47:38.880 my new nick went out to go hang with his his friend brian to watch baseball last night and

00:47:44.840 i just binged it and couldn't stop i'm curious if revlon still makes coffee bean the lipstick color

00:47:51.840 i feel like if they stopped for a while they started again because we're in a 90s revival

00:47:58.600 we're in a 90s revival i'm gonna see if i can get some coffee bean lipstick

00:48:01.460 and some bath and body works vanilla body spray you can definitely get that yeah i yeah i was more

00:48:07.520 of a sun-ripened raspberry girl but i hear you yeah i love i loved sea spray but they discontinued

00:48:12.240 it so funny i know right and i'm and i'm just leaving everyone with that visceral memory and

00:48:18.580 now you can all smell the vanilla bean bath and body works scent i can smell it already yeah yeah

00:48:24.600 i think it definitely holds up and there's a lot more there than i saw at 16 for sure so much more

00:48:30.480 there but like it and it does does hold up would i let my 15 year old daughter want it watch it i

00:48:35.240 don't know no yeah i am yeah i mean i probably will let's be honest i let her i let them watch

00:48:41.460 a lot of things already and she's five so yes yes yes yes and yes i mean i think it's i think

00:48:47.880 it's a great conversation starter yeah right the the key is equipping them with tools with which

00:48:53.760 to watch it right exactly exactly oh god although i will say when i was like watching them like

00:48:59.200 pass that bottle of whiskey back and forth i could just feel the burn in the back of my throat i'm

00:49:02.860 like oh god i'm like get some soda get a coke cut it just a little bit just cut a little bit girls

00:49:10.840 put it in a water bottle add some soda like it'll like ginger ale yeah ginger ale

00:49:17.660 i just want to help i'm here to help oh

00:49:21.440 all right thank you guys so much for being on tell everyone where they can find your wonderful

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00:49:29.840 You can find Stuck in Stony Brook

00:49:31.660 on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts,

00:49:34.240 on everywhere you get podcasts.

00:49:36.040 You can find us at

00:49:36.820 stuckinstoneybrook.com

00:49:39.160 and we exist on Instagram,

00:49:42.100 I think is our social media platform.

00:49:43.800 Is that correct?

00:49:44.800 Yeah, Stuck in Stony Brook.

00:49:46.120 Yeah, we're trying to make

00:49:46.780 Blue Sky happen.

00:49:47.640 So if you're on Blue Sky,

00:49:48.720 find us there too also

00:49:49.980 at Stuck in Stony Brook.

00:49:52.060 Brilliant.

00:49:52.380 We're trying to get out

00:49:52.820 from Zuckerberg's Iron Claw,

00:49:55.180 but we haven't seen it yet.

00:49:56.160 I don't know if any of us can.

00:49:56.920 i mean god bless um thank you ladies so much for being here and so much more to come so much more

00:50:02.400 thank you

00:50:26.920 Thank you.

Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - November 11, 2025

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