00:07:59.840And this was created in the during the Great Depression, the saying. So obviously, they didn't have a lot. So they were doing without a lot. And that's why this phrase has so much connotation with deprivation. But the first part is to use it up, wear it out.
00:08:31.520We're using products up in their fullest capacities.
00:08:35.920And this is something you see a lot in this TikTok trend is people opening makeup containers
00:08:42.040that are no longer like pumping out any.
00:08:44.460and when they open them up there is still a week's left of product in there um i know you know for
00:08:51.840most of us when we're at the end of our soap we're putting a little water in it and yeah so like
00:08:58.420so these are really good things and the make it do or do without those those are last case scenarios
00:09:06.560and that's a lot of like what we're talking about with in and buy what you love without going broke
00:09:11.920The reason we say it's a values-based spending includes sacrifice but not deprivation is because sometimes in our hearts we want to go out and buy the new thing.
00:10:06.640and I think with all things there's a way to do it sustainably and and well for ourselves and
00:10:14.820there's a way to do it super extreme that's not necessarily going to lead to well-being
00:10:19.860and I even think with this under consumption trend you still have higher levels of consumption
00:10:27.940because to get into that bottle and get the rest of the product out they're selling
00:10:32.920more products to scrape out the rest. Like I think I've seen, you know, a special type of tool
00:10:39.880that they're selling now to scrape out the rest of the foundation or the cream or whatever it is.
00:10:45.920Like there's also a way to end up doing this where you're still mindlessly spending and consuming
00:10:52.780products that maybe something else that you had in your home could have been useful. But
00:10:57.560At its core, I think it is this low waste, somewhat minimal, simplified, frugal, stewarding all resources well kind of approach.
00:11:12.600But of course, there's always all sorts of ways that we can approach this, a way to do it that's going to have some longevity to it and a way in which it dies because it's not trendy anymore.
00:11:24.220There's a quote in this article that I really loved. Under consumption core doesn't necessarily equate to foregoing luxuries or even being all that thrifty. It simply means using the things you've bought until they're finished.
00:11:38.180And I thought that was great because frugality is not being cheap, right? It's simply using what we have, being good stewards of our money and our physical resources, our physical products.
00:11:55.420Yeah, the trend itself, it seems to have somewhat originated on TikTok, although this is not a new idea. But as far as the term under consumption core, as a trend did originate with TikTok, mostly with people, again, using up products, rewearing things, making it okay to wear clothing again, wear it till it's absolutely worn out.
00:12:24.820these types of things, people showing kind of their non-aesthetic houses, I'm sure we've seen
00:12:30.780everywhere. So this is where that has kind of been happening and trending. But again, it's not,
00:12:38.220none of it's new. Yeah, I think this highlights just another, it's another round in the cycle of
00:12:48.160people being interested in consuming less. Because for so long, the narrative has been
00:12:56.900earn more so that you can consume more. Don't focus on controlling your consumption. Focus
00:13:03.460on controlling your income so that it supports your consumption. And I think there's part of it
00:13:11.700is a fight like push back against hustle culture that that's that that mentality promotes hustle
00:13:18.980culture and part of it is uh against inflation i think a lot of the news outlets are saying
00:13:26.220this is a response to inflation which yes i i do think that ties into it but i think inflation has
00:13:33.860been more of like an eye opener to to just how unsustainable these fast fashion halls and these
00:13:45.220grocery store halls and these nice car tours and nice aesthetic house tours are for people that are
00:13:56.860not in the business of social media so this is fine for people who are literally showing off
00:14:03.460their house, cars, groceries for a living. These are almost tax write-offs for their business,
00:14:09.560right? But for the rest of us, it's not sustainable. And so I think this is just,
00:14:15.380you know, we had loud budgeting earlier this year. We had de-influencers. Now we're going
00:14:20.600with under-consumption court. And there will just be cycle after cycle of this because people
00:14:25.660are fed up with the overconsumption that the traditional narrative has been
00:14:32.660touting. Which is what makes me so excited for the timing of our book, Buy What You Love Without
00:14:38.640Going Broke, because I think all of this ends up leading to, okay, but how exactly? Because
00:14:46.100just using up the last of my moisturizer, what is that really doing? But I think there's a deeper
00:14:54.000message here that I don't think social media has truly tapped into yet that our book does address
00:15:00.440and that is getting to the core of why we would do these things and creating that pause of do I
00:15:08.800really need these things what is meeting the the core of my needs and my values they asked that
00:15:15.520question in this article do I really need four concealers a cream and a powder blush three pairs
00:15:21.320of sneakers, two coats, 10 handbags. Do I really need the amount of things that I have been
00:15:27.460impulse purchasing that has been sold to me as what will help me to belong, make me feel good
00:15:34.680about myself, make me feel like I'm fitting in? Or can I choose a different path? And is there
00:15:41.520potentially greater levels of contentment on the other side of that? And we would say, yes,
00:15:47.140If pursued rightly, if pursued in the sense of figuring out who you are, what matters to you, doing some of that foundational work, and then allowing your actions and your purchasing to inform that, absolutely, I think there's greater levels of contentment, less stress on the other side.
00:16:09.120But I think right now the trend is just focusing on the actions and not entirely the reasoning behind it. And for it to last, we need to make that connection. But it's a great start. And it does open up that conversation for how do we make that connection between me choosing to consume less and it not just being because high inflation, but because I actually see benefit in my life.
00:16:36.640I see long term implications. I see that I'd be able to reach other financial goals sooner. I see that I have a greater understanding of who I am and I'm able to live into those things and I'm able to respond to my needs better because I'm not clouded by all of this other information.
00:16:53.340Yeah, there has been some pushback on underconsumption core, saying that some of it is just normal living and that people who are saying that this type of living is core, like underconsumption core, are kind of in privilege.
00:17:13.780Yeah. So I think there's definitely both sides to it, right? You know, you've got the Olsen twins carrying around. They're famous for carrying around these high end bags that they've been carrying for, you know, over a decade that are kind of they get dirty and they you can tell they get them clean because of the paparazzi photos.
00:17:35.780Like, this is the same bag just over and over for, you know, 10 plus years.
00:17:41.960And it's seen as like this, Jill, you wrote this on the outline, the cosplay of poverty.
00:17:49.020Well, that's what the Olsen twins, I know this article highlights, you know, just like
00:17:53.600the Olsen twins who wore out their luxury handbags.
00:17:56.460But that was previously pushed against because there has also been this trend amongst uber
00:18:02.800wealthy celebrities of cosplay poverty and the like high peasant look where these very wealthy
00:18:12.000people in an effort to try to connect with their followers and other consumers are looking as if
00:18:20.540they don't have a lot of money, like giving the impression and idea that they can't afford a
00:18:26.940certain lifestyle, trying to, I guess, make themselves seem a little bit more relatable,
00:18:31.440even though they're not. There's been this pushback on that tension. So I think that this
00:18:37.620can highlight that, but I don't think that that's what true underconsumption is, is like a putting
00:18:45.040on of something. And I think the pushback of, isn't that just normal living? Maybe, but at least
00:18:51.960we've got people who are showing that as a regular lifestyle rather than the alternative of the
00:19:00.100fancy cars, the 10-step skincare regimen, the super beautiful on-trend clothing, the
00:19:08.840home that is always updated with like crazy light fixtures.
00:19:14.280And this is what, if that's all that we're seeing, then that is what can become normal.
00:19:19.760I think this under-consumption core is helping to tether it and bring it back to, that's
00:19:25.320actually not normal. And you don't have to aspire to that, especially if it's not what you want,
00:19:31.280there can be another way of living that is just normal. And I think I don't think calling it a
00:19:37.440normal way of living is really a like condemning of it or criticism like, we want more authenticity
00:19:46.180on social media, that should be praise that shouldn't be criticized. So when you see this,
00:19:51.660also know you're seeing it from a lot of very young people who may not have the bills
00:19:58.000that a mom with two kids has right so you need to also understand when you're seeing these things
00:20:04.540that a lot of the people not all but a lot of the people creating this content are in a different
00:20:09.620life stage too all they're seeing are these fast fashion hauls and the like and they're pushing
00:20:15.560back. And that's awesome. And let's encourage that. Let's not criticize it. And let's just do
00:20:21.960more to normalize authenticity and not being the aesthetic perfection that social media so often
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00:20:47.260Terms apply. So let's talk about some tips and ideas on how to practice under consumption court.
00:20:55.480And then also for my 201 girlies who are like, I'm already doing like 10 out of 10.
00:21:00.800Let's talk about what we can do to benefit, like to capitalize on this outside of ourselves.
00:21:07.940Yeah, I love the intersection here with minimalism, sustainable living, low waste, frugality. And so none of this will be entirely new, but it is a way to participate and lean into this further, like doing a minimalist wardrobe challenge. There's so many out there. Google it. One of our favorites is Courtney Carver's.
00:21:32.800three, three, three. So it's well, the three, three, three, three, three of everything, right?
00:21:41.140It is three 33. It's like 33 items every three months. That's Yeah, I thought it was 33 items.
00:21:47.380So that includes I think even accessories for her, you can come up with your own whether
00:21:52.620however many items you want to identify that you want to be wearing. And it's a practice of
00:21:59.540really being creative with what you have in your closet, but also being okay with wearing the same
00:22:05.580thing multiple times, people seeing you in the same clothing and kind of building up that
00:22:12.900confidence that this is okay. I don't have to have new clothing constantly. I don't have to
00:22:18.300be contributing to the fast fashion world and just the high turnover of clothing and textiles.
00:22:27.100So that challenge and can help us really identify what do I really love wearing?
00:28:19.780i've been so pleased with some of even the boutique ones because they'll still do the their
00:28:25.040stickers with their 25 50 75 off they still have to move stuff through their store so yeah don't
00:28:34.080knock it till you try it it's great yeah try it don't you know skip the spa day try a thrift day
00:28:39.760where you're just going to all these thrifts and you're like balling on a budget shopping spree
00:28:45.660still pretty woman you actually need i would say make your list ahead of time figure out what your0.99
00:28:51.260wardrobe is lacking especially if you have your colors done know what's going to look good on you0.99
00:28:56.560you know even even though you're getting it less expensive doesn't mean we need more of it we still
00:29:02.820want quality over quantity yeah i have to remember when i say like pretty um pretty womaning it like
00:29:09.460my idea of a shopping spree is buying like four things in one day. Yeah, if you're different from
00:29:18.120me, maybe don't pretty woman it. When you use the word haul, it does give the idea that it's more
00:29:25.280than just like what you can hold with your hand. I once tried to do a haul video. I went out
00:29:31.400specifically to do a thrift haul video. And I honestly came back with four items from the day
00:29:37.520going to different thrift stores. And again, like I'm not a, you know, a hunter. So that's why it
00:29:43.320was a little hard for me. But I was like, I can't do haul videos. That should be my job. I totally
00:29:50.020could do a haul video. Because I do keep a list of things. And then if I give myself a day to go
00:29:56.500to a bunch of different places, I can usually really check off everything that's been on that
00:30:01.780list that's been building for like the last three to six months. Yeah. So yeah, try yourself one of
00:30:07.840those. So I love like repurposing. So reusing like old towels, cutting them into cleaning rags. This
00:30:15.900is probably my favorite thing to do. We're using like old jars, glass jars as drinking cups. I know
00:30:22.700people love to do that. And using makeup until it's completely out. So a big thing on TikTok is
00:30:30.520there's a way that you can like I don't know add water or do something to get makeup out and then
00:30:37.660kind of pack it in like scraps of different blushes and then just combine them into one
00:30:44.280thing I don't know how to do it but it is a thing that I've seen people do so that they can use
00:30:50.020the little bits of everything in their makeup um and then like yeah do carry use things that
00:31:00.260are not aesthetically pleasing according to social media dented water bottles uh bags that
00:31:08.340maybe are a little frayed um or stained you know you don't have to get like your clothes don't have
00:31:15.300to have huge stains on them in that case you can repurpose with some dye you know so just think
00:31:21.420about what can i do to you know i've been doing mending too like i'll i'll have a pile of mending
00:31:29.880I have one right now. And once I get like three or four items that need to be mended,
00:31:35.720then that'll be like, while I sit and watch TV. That's actually one of our lives.
00:31:43.100The pre-order incentives that we are giving to everybody who pre-orders the book.
00:31:52.240Buywhatyoulovebook.com. Yeah. One of the things is on September 22nd,
00:31:58.260make your clothing last this is a free class we're doing for everybody who pre-orders the book
00:32:02.480we're going to be talking about mending high quality fabrics you know tips for dying you
00:32:07.580know the difference between like synthetic cotton how to get the best maybe we'll even
00:32:13.820eat some avocados and try that avocado that'd be fun yeah should i save my mending for the group
00:32:19.480yeah because we're gonna be doing live like how to we're not just going to be talking about this
00:32:24.020this is going to be like a visual thing. And I think, does this episode maybe come out?
00:32:31.400When does this episode come out? We should know that. August 27th. Oh, so if you pre-order
00:32:37.840this morning, you can catch our meal prep class, which is tonight. Yes. Yeah. So you might miss
00:32:44.820that one, but the next one is the clothes class. Cool. And we did want to make one final note. If
00:32:51.160you're like, I'm already doing all of these things. This is me. Then I think the next step
00:32:56.600here is ongoing permission giving to yourself and to others. Maybe don't be so shy about
00:33:04.080what you're doing, how it's benefiting you. Continue to normalize these things. If that
00:33:11.900means that you choose to share some of this on social media, so be it. If it means that
00:33:15.980you're talking with friends about it and sharing the benefits again, not from a, I'm, I'm better
00:33:22.180because I do these things. And I don't think that our listeners are that way. But from this vantage
00:33:29.260point of here's what has actually really helped me in ways that I've decreased stress and the ways
00:33:35.220that I have really identify what truly matters to me, the skill sets that I've built as a result
00:33:41.760of this. These are the types of things that I think community is made for where we can exchange
00:33:48.680skill sets and ideas and encourage one another and just achieve things and go further than if
00:33:55.600we would have been doing this on our own. Like we're not going to discover what we don't know
00:34:01.140without engaging with other people and learning from others about that. I mean, it's why Jen,
00:34:06.960you and I did this podcast. We enjoyed so much about the conversations we were having,
00:34:12.120the permission we were finding and talking about a traditionally taboo topic. And then,
00:34:17.060okay, how do we open this up for more people? It's like that. Find people that you can talk
00:34:22.600about this with and exchange ideas on how can we make things last longer? How can I
00:34:27.960under-consume without feeling deprived? How might even under-consumption get me closer to
00:34:33.720understanding myself better. Yeah. And I think part of this journey might be chronicling it on
00:34:39.680your social media page. Instead of posting the perfect picture from brunch, you're posting a
00:34:45.440picture of your upcycled DIY project or a way you got creative in upcycling something or using
00:34:54.900something out. I just want to read two quotes from another article that I read in prep for this
00:35:01.660episode. First is by embracing this movement, we're not only promoting a sustainable lifestyle,
00:35:07.900but also building a community that values authenticity and creativity over constant
00:35:13.960spending. And that's the mindset we want to cultivate in our communities. And by doing it
00:35:20.300ourselves, we give this unspoken permission for others to do it for themselves. And then the other
00:35:27.580quote is, under consumption core invites us to reclaim our power as consumers. And by embracing
00:35:34.140under consumption, we can contribute to a culture that values quality over quantity and mindfulness
00:35:40.920over impulse. What a good summary. And I think that is the core. That's the core that we're
00:35:47.300trying to get across in this episode is that we know a lot of y'all are already doing this stuff.
00:35:52.640So how can we be the voice and the light in our communities to keep this trend, not just viral, but like sustainable? How can we encourage others to use up and wear out? How can we encourage people to view frugality as creativity and quality over the traditional, you know, make do or do without?
00:36:20.520There's another core to this podcast that we are super hardcore about.
00:36:25.300And that we want all communities to be core about.
00:37:01.260Hi Jen and Jill, my name is Kelly, I live in Seattle
00:37:06.060I've been here about a year and I moved from the Midwest
00:37:10.240And my Bill of the Week is that for the first year living here
00:37:14.520in one of the most expensive cities in the U.S., I could only find part-time work 20 hours a week
00:37:23.100as a contract gig. So I was paying for my own health insurance, not investing in retirement
00:37:29.540for an entire year, and just making substantially less than I've ever made. And the job market right
00:37:36.600now, let me tell you, is tight. But thankfully, after like 12 months of trying, I finally got a
00:37:43.880full-time offer somewhere and the pay is I mean in my opinion amazing it's not like tech money but
00:37:53.120it is really really stable I'll have health insurance I'll have benefits and I'm just so
00:37:58.280excited to be able to feel secure again after a whole year of feeling really really shitty yeah
00:38:09.000wow kelly it's it's so real and when we talk about authenticity this is it like in personal
00:38:17.200finance content this is this is not what they're talking about they're talking about job hopping
00:38:22.140they're talking about hustling businesses side gigs all this but like this is real life and so
00:38:29.380congratulations kelly and i hope that if you're listening to this and you are struggling to find
00:38:35.340full-time work which we've heard from so many of you that the job market is just it's so hard right
00:38:43.280now like we see you um and we hope this stuff helps you specifically and is not for like you
00:38:50.660know the privileged financial independence seeker that that has mobility you know in these things
00:38:57.080but like i hope you feel seen and i hope that you feel encouraged by kelly's words that those jobs
00:39:04.160are out there. Keep trucking, keep looking, keep expanding. And, and yeah, I just good luck to you
00:39:14.840and congratulations, Kelly. Yeah, I'm glad to hear you on this side of it. But I know that sounds
00:39:21.120like a really tough time when you were just in the contract work and not a lot of stability,
00:39:25.840not doing the things with your finances that you want to do. And I just want to also normalize that
00:39:30.720we do find ourselves in those seasons. So there could be people listening who they're not at
00:39:35.560the Kelly part of the journey where they found the full-time work. Um, and, and sometimes those
00:39:41.320seasons really do stink, but I think there is an entire lifetime here. So it's okay to be in those
00:39:49.220seasons. It's not going to be entirely devastating for the long haul. Um, and, and we're here for
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00:40:16.400frugalfriendspodcast.com slash bill leave us your bill and now it's time for the lightning round
00:40:24.320All right. So under consumption core, to me, it's mindful consumption because we're not under consuming. We're consuming well. We're consuming fully in under consumption core.
00:40:42.540um so whether it's intentional consumption mindful consumption today the question is what's your
00:40:50.300favorite personal mindful consumption hack you asked this question didn't you yeah all right
00:40:57.720go for it okay so mine are not it's not going to be groundbreaking or like really inspirational
00:41:03.640dang it i know i'm so sorry but like okay so i know you're really good at food that's your
00:41:11.020personal area i think for me um i i like to reuse um and maintain like home stuff so we've probably
00:41:24.200traveled with the same some of the same furniture pieces and art pieces um from house to house for
00:41:31.760for the entirety of our marriage so almost 10 years um we just hung art on our wall the other
00:41:40.420day in preparation for our party and actually the day of the party we finally got around to
00:41:47.500hanging the the wall art and one was new one I had just bought nice one we had had um since we
00:41:56.880moved in two years ago but just never got around to hanging and the other I bought at Goodwill
00:42:01.720I think before I met Travis it's a set of plants like something old something new something
00:42:08.520borrow something blue on the wall yeah um so so yeah just and keeping those big pieces out of
00:42:17.480landfills is something that I am very interested in I feel like I love to um I can compost food
00:42:27.780but I cannot as easily compost something metal you know or something plastic if it's wood it can be
00:42:36.880you know ground up and used in the in the earth but um so i want to save those pieces from landfills
00:42:44.380and so i like to um buy them on facebook we're a big facebook marketplace family girl we big
00:42:51.020facebook marketplace family and just like whatever i can buy secondhand on ebay um or poshmark or
00:43:00.000those are you those are my favorites right now thread up is not my favorite favorite place to
00:43:04.380sell facebook marketplace yeah yeah that's where it goes back and forth yeah i like it i like to
00:43:12.020keep it local yeah not have to go to mail stuff constantly yeah well travis bought um a few lego
00:43:19.980kits and when he went to resell them he did resell them on ebay because they were specialty like
00:43:26.500you could just get more money on the from them on ebay and they were not that expensive to ship
00:43:32.300Yeah. So, yeah, man, this has become so ingrained into my lifestyle is hard to pick just like I look at every aspect of life and I'm like, yeah, there's a way that I and I think I'm so glad that it's becoming more popular because I think that this is where people could borderline like, you're just you just you're so stingy.
00:43:55.220you just don't want to spend any money. And for me, it's not necessary. I'm not afraid of spending
00:44:01.060thankfully through the podcast, I've become more and more like, this is a good thing to do on an
00:44:06.020okay thing to do. You just need to feel good about it. But I love the creative aspect of
00:44:13.200reducing, reusing, repurposing. I love feeling really good then about every spending decision
00:44:19.340that I make. So if we were to say hacks, you all know this about me, but I would say probably my
00:44:24.800favorite is keeping lists. As I come across a need, whether it's in the kitchen or the house
00:44:31.460or outside, I'll, I'll put it in a list, like put it in my notes. And usually what that helps me to
00:44:40.060do is like keep it front of mind to come up with potentially an alternative solution. But if it's
00:44:45.980been on the list for a long time, then the next time I'm at the thrift store, it's what I look
00:44:52.300for. But usually it's things that I can learn workarounds for until I want to purchase that
00:44:59.700convenience. But I feel really good about those purchases because they feel very mindful. Like
00:45:04.160I've thought about this. I've written it down. We've engaged in workarounds. We've
00:45:09.680explored problem solving solutions. And if it's still there on the list, then okay,
00:45:17.100now i can feel good about spending on it oh yeah okay so a hack here's a new hack actually this is
00:45:23.880brand new i deleted instagram facebook threads amazon off my phone um anything that could make
00:45:33.580me so honestly why i did it was because i was spending too much time like zoning out on there
00:45:38.980but also these are things that make me want to buy things um so now when i go to like mindlessly
00:45:46.680scroll. I'm either mindlessly scrolling, ThredUP, Poshmark, eBay, if I'm like looking for products,
00:45:54.680it forces me to think secondhand first. Or I am reading something, you know, like online,
00:46:05.160something that's good for my time. You mean you're editing our book,
00:46:10.440Buy What You Love Without Going Broke. That's what you're reading?
00:46:12.620I mean, it's already we have one more round. I'm emailing people in hopes that they will
00:46:20.800talk about our book by what you love without going broke. That's another thing I can do
00:46:25.340besides scrolling Instagram. So if you're having trouble with social media, or if you are having
00:46:31.440trouble with the halls, or like you want to be under consumption core, but social media is doing
00:46:38.720more harm than good in that area for you then that could be a helpful hack is to just delete
00:46:46.340them for a time I don't plan to delete them you know forever I I think maybe I will go back on
00:46:54.020around or after November 8th ish I think maybe it's just a soft date I don't know well thank
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00:47:10.900this one from Aaron with a K. The only money related podcast I enjoy. It happens to be five
00:47:17.100stars. As a trying to be responsible grown up person, I try to keep on top of financial advice,
00:47:23.660but it always seems like a chore. Jen and Jill give me all the info I need. But I actually look
00:47:29.360forward to listening to and learning from them. Thanks for making a serious topic so much fun.
00:47:34.900Wow. Thanks, Erin with a K. And it makes me wonder, does that mean your name is Eric?
00:50:20.180that's where all of our special private lives are happening it'll all be free yeah that's good
00:50:26.640information because even if you miss tonight you can make it to the rest i think there's what five
00:50:31.740more three live events that you can participate in yeah all around life skills building and just
00:50:41.080exchanging of ideas and skill sets so that we can consume less essentially around this under
00:50:48.440consumption core idea so the meal prep and planning is all about utilizing all the food you have
00:50:56.340buying as you know as little as possible and getting the most out of it you've got the clothing
00:51:03.020one we've got one on transportation one on housing not just for homeowners but for renters as well
00:51:11.380And then we've got the last two are the best two. The December's is creating a full year meal plan. So we're going to create a full year meal plan for 2025 together live. And then we're going to create an all year spending plan in January for all of 2025.
00:51:33.980five so and then we're all gonna get our books in january and we're gonna geek out the january
00:51:40.040one's at the end of january so you have time to read the book uh if you'd like to before that
00:51:45.300final free live how fun yeah so we look forward to seeing you there tonight if you have pre-ordered
00:51:51.580otherwise we look forward to seeing you uh at the september live if you're pre-ordering after today