Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - You Deserve All the Hope

00:00:00.000 Hello, hello, hello. You are listening to Under the Influence. And I am Joe Piazza. And it is

00:00:11.760 election day. And I'm here with Glynnis McNichol. And and all we want to do is, is give you some

00:00:17.280 hope and distraction because today is the longest day of the year, my friends.

00:00:23.540 The longest day, maybe of our lives. We'll see.

00:00:27.360 Maybe of our lives. I love Glenn. You were here this weekend. You celebrated Halloween with my children. And one of the things that we decided should be our mantra this week is don't make any big decisions. Don't don't try to start something new. Don't just you should live your life like this meme that I keep seeing on Instagram, which is for the next 24 hours, you live in an airport bar where calories don't count.

00:00:55.740 and you can have a drink at 10 a.m. and just you know you do you you do nice things for you right

00:01:01.400 now yes this morning at two o'clock in the morning my instagram informed me that i'd reached my 15

00:01:08.760 minute per day and that was at 2 a.m. there's no big decisions i also think though as i'm like

00:01:16.420 watching all these fun memes go by it is a it is a privilege to be this anxious right like it's a

00:01:22.700 privileged to sort of um be paralyzed by anxiety although i have to say i don't know if it feels

00:01:29.980 like this you're in philly it's like the the i was it was amazing to be there this weekend because

00:01:35.160 the level of intensity is like at one bajillion in philadelphia it is like another planet there

00:01:41.460 we're we're on another planet i'm really glad that you got to see it actually because the intensity

00:01:46.940 you don't see that as much in new york right absolutely not i think there's i mean there's

00:01:51.320 a lot of people from New York going to Philly or other swing states, but just like the relentlessness

00:01:55.940 of the election. You know, we were commenting that it was in literally every conversation.

00:02:02.360 It was when we were watching YouTube videos with the kids, it was every commercial

00:02:06.180 online. It was just so nonstop. But I feel like today the anxiety has diminished a little bit

00:02:14.560 just because people are able to do something, right? Like you go to the polls if you didn't

00:02:20.480 early vote you can go to the polls and vote and there's something about that that i think is

00:02:25.480 making people feel less crazed it's just my general sense of it yeah yeah i think that's true i think

00:02:33.200 you know being able to do something and also just finally do it right like it's just oh my god um 0.95

00:02:40.200 it's like we've had third date energy for the past six months of like are we gonna fuck are we 0.61

00:02:46.380 gonna do this like what is this also like who is this person i'm on a date with right is how which 0.96

00:02:52.440 way this this night forget about date it's like you did a shotgun marriage or like which way is

00:02:57.420 the country going who do i have to live with um it's who do i have to live with now yeah it's a

00:03:02.820 little bit like being a woman before women were fully in charge of their own decisions and sort 0.92

00:03:07.420 of like being married off by your family and thinking totally who what you know which way is

00:03:13.000 is the dice gonna roll on this um am i am i marrying a creepy old man um actually really

00:03:21.080 or or a nice benevolent woman yes who has my best interests at heart who's my best interest at heart

00:03:27.280 yeah and it's gonna let me leave the house and pay for things and earn money and not do things

00:03:31.560 to my body without my permission i really i mean we talked about this this weekend i put it in

00:03:36.840 my newsletter this weekend just this sense i mean you and i talked about this for years but this

00:03:43.420 idea that people don't know how to tell stories about women's lives in a way that reflects our

00:03:49.660 lives and that the way in my experience of this election the way that's playing out in this 0.56

00:03:57.080 election is like actually women are fucking furious and the coverage and the polls do not 0.94

00:04:05.520 reflect that because the people reporting it, the people, you know, largely in charge of the 0.99

00:04:10.500 narratives around this election are often men making the polling questions, and we're not

00:04:15.140 getting an accurate reflection of what's happening on the ground. That is my optimistic outlook. I

00:04:19.800 don't think that it's necessarily wrong, and I'm certainly, you know, we're not the only ones saying

00:04:23.520 that, but that's where I'm drawing hope from today. Like, the after-election story will be like,

00:04:30.060 oh, women over 60 swung the election. That generation of women who we talk about as being 0.78

00:04:36.800 invisible, actually, we're not going back. We remember what this was like, and we're not going

00:04:42.960 back to it. And we can get ourselves to the pole because we're organized people who've been running

00:04:46.960 other people's lives for most of ours. Exactly. And I do think that is so true. I read that in

00:04:53.700 your subsec. It's like, oh, you know who is going to vote? Women, because we can multitask and we

00:04:59.160 We can make a plan because we've been planning everyone's lives or our entire lives.

00:05:04.160 So, yeah, we're we're not going to mess this up.

00:05:07.680 Whereas the man who doesn't know how to call his child's pediatrician might not make it there because there's a lot going on and he got distracted by something shiny.

00:05:18.980 Yes, because actually the effort to find the bowling station and get there and cast a vote, it's easier to yell at the radio, listen to the sports.

00:05:27.620 I mean, these are stereotypes because we both know plenty of men who are voting for Kamala.

00:05:31.420 But I do think that there's some truth to that because we also both know that men are, by and large, not the organizers of the families.

00:05:40.840 No, but that men, by and large, are not the organizers of the families.

00:05:44.940 Nick Astor is now taking on that role, as you've seen, as you've seen.

00:05:48.860 And, you know, it's a long training period is what it is.

00:05:54.420 I also, I mean, again, I know we just saw each other.

00:05:57.000 We've been having this conversation, you know, all weekend. But even the way women are required 1.00

00:06:02.780 to leave the house, this like you are always vigilant to your surroundings because you've 0.99

00:06:08.300 had to have been that way for your whole life. Like little girls are vigilant about their

00:06:12.780 surroundings. You are you walk out of the house with a sense of vulnerability and you make a 0.61

00:06:19.340 million small decisions to offset that. And that's from a very young age. And I think because of that,

00:06:25.320 We're so used to juggling multiple things at the same time that it's not like a new thing to be like, oh, and now I have to go and do this or, oh, I'm aware that I'm aware that there's no butter in the fridge or I'm aware of this because you're just, you know, you are in a place of organizing the space for multiple uses.

00:06:46.880 And in this analogy, the space is America.

00:06:49.600 The space is America.

00:06:52.880 It is the voting booth.

00:06:54.140 well i took the kids to go vote today charlie charlie and eliza both had off because their

00:07:00.140 schools are polling places and yeah um and b went to school so i took both charlie and eliza and i

00:07:07.760 took eliza into the voting booth with me and we pushed the button together and it was very is it

00:07:13.860 a button well it's it's on a computer screen yeah it's interesting i'm seeing different versions of

00:07:19.700 get everywhere i i can't vote oh oh my gosh yes i we should remind our audience glennis is canadian

00:07:25.940 yeah permanent resident um which allows me to do everything but but um everything but i am the

00:07:35.500 voice i think in a lot of i mean having been here a long time but i am the voice in a lot of

00:07:39.180 conversations with americans um as a reminder that the earth is invested in this election right

00:07:47.200 That this is this is this is the experience of citizens in their local neighborhoods.

00:07:53.360 But like the world is invested in this election to a degree that I talk to of my friends, you know, in multiple countries who are all as anxious as we are because they are the person who is those places are in our former analogy of the woman who has no control over their marriage.

00:08:10.940 They really have no control over an enormous power.

00:08:14.240 And so. Somebody at a dinner I was at a couple of weeks ago said, you know, the right has made America into a joke. And I said, there's nothing. Nobody thinks America is a joke. Nobody. People are anxious and terrified and just as, you know, worked up as we are as as, you know, to where this election is going.

00:08:33.640 Yeah, they are.

00:08:34.360 Yeah, they are.

00:08:34.940 I mean, the world really is watching.

00:08:36.320 I have so many friends who live abroad who are just like, I'm getting stopped on the street as the token American that someone knows.

00:08:44.360 And people are treating me like I'm Dan Rather, okay, that they're like, oh, yeah, so what's going to happen?

00:08:49.800 And they're like, right, I have no idea.

00:08:53.000 But and, you know, being here in Pennsylvania, I'm getting texts from all over the country, too.

00:08:58.280 People are like, what's the vibe?

00:08:59.500 And I'm like, I know nothing.

00:09:01.400 Right.

00:09:01.520 i mean i really to be i was listening to the daily this morning as i tend to do

00:09:06.200 for better or worse and um because uh pennsylvania doesn't count mail-in ballots until

00:09:12.900 the day of we might penn pennsylvania might be the reason that we're not going to get

00:09:18.420 um election results until a couple of days if it comes if the electoral college falls in a

00:09:24.800 particular way um it might that might be i mean there's so many scenarios what there's so many

00:09:32.460 scenarios that this goes there's part of me we already know what the we we've already gone we've

00:09:38.720 already done the bad scenario right like all of us remember 2016 it's although i went so i'm in

00:09:43.860 the strand bookstore in the big new york bookstore i'm in their holiday uh gift guide the book and i

00:09:50.700 went into sign books and one of the guys who was helping me sign was 14 I think in 2016 or

00:09:59.160 yeah he must he was very young he'd be like he didn't I mean young enough that he wasn't that

00:10:03.000 engaged in it and that is also good for me to remember and maybe you as well like eight years

00:10:07.680 for us that seems very recent that the the I think trauma is reasonable word to use to describe that

00:10:15.020 night and watching that New York graph go from Hillary to Trump in the course of about 10 minutes

00:10:21.080 yeah like we already know what it feels like if this goes badly and so it's not going to be a

00:10:26.900 shock it's going to be like a call to action immediately but I there's part of me that's

00:10:31.880 like I can imagine that she wins that she wins like she wins wins not just scrapes by like that

00:10:38.560 actually she wins like a route I actually you know I'm a Sicilian witch if you didn't know

00:10:44.800 my power shall be tested tonight because i have this i have this itch i have this itch under my

00:10:51.480 skin i'm like i i think she might win-win like i think she might win-win where it's like oh you 0.97

00:10:58.040 can't fuck around and find out with this my friend like you can't take bodily autonomy away from half 0.96

00:11:05.300 the population you can't and think that that it's not going to come back i mean i it's it's so now 0.99

00:11:12.720 that we're talking about it i'm returning to a level of stress but um i do think that's a

00:11:20.200 possibility i mean i really do in my core think that's a possibility and not in the way that i

00:11:24.200 assumed hillary was going to win because america hadn't lost its mind and she did win the popular

00:11:28.220 vote by nearly three million which is something i think it's useful for all of us to remember

00:11:31.760 yeah um but i think she might i think she might do it i think she might pull it off uh and i just

00:11:40.620 want us i want us to stay positive friends i want us to stay positive one way to be is to stay

00:11:45.120 positive right like there's only and positive doesn't mean unicorns and rainbows it just means

00:11:50.580 not becoming apocalyptic to the point of immobility i think that's what i mean when i

00:11:57.500 say that's a luxury it's a privilege to be anxious like we're not we're not without agency

00:12:02.480 and positivity is remembering that i think positivity is remembering that a hundred percent

00:12:08.500 absolutely oh of course i had three whiskeys with dinner last night which is unusual for me

00:12:15.100 so that is unusual for you although we did we finished off a lot of wine on halloween

00:12:20.980 yeah a lot of wine in that pumpkin um that pumpkin wine i was i was hurting for like two days

00:12:27.060 yeah i'm kidding this is a measure of how much i'm not used to drinking is like i was like man

00:12:31.080 this whiskey soda tastes great i'm gonna have two and then i was at a bar like in greenwich village

00:12:36.040 with all these sort of old school new yorkers and i was like yeah i'm gonna have a third

00:12:39.340 i'm really paying that price today yeah yeah that's you know what it's a good day to be hung

00:12:44.460 over because it's a good day to be hung over you know yeah yeah it is yeah um all right well yeah

00:12:52.760 let's just let's share hope with the people we're gonna we're gonna take a little break right now

00:12:56.740 when we get back i'm gonna drop a little bit of our we've got issues episode with emily amick of

00:13:03.780 at Emily in your phone in this feed, because Emily and I are also talking about hope and

00:13:09.160 getting through the longest day of your life, friends. You thought giving birth was the longest

00:13:14.480 day of your life, but no, rebirthing democracy is going to take even longer. Oh, good line, Jo. Well done.

00:13:33.780 i'm emily amick and i'm joe piazza and we've got issues so many of them so many so many it's

00:13:48.960 election day it is election day november 5th 24 the anxiety of my audience is at an all-time high

00:13:58.040 How are you doing, Jo?

00:13:59.640 I'm doing okay.

00:14:01.260 It's just, you know, these election day hours, each of them feels like a month.

00:14:08.180 Like, I don't know if time has ever dripped so slowly as it is today.

00:14:15.220 And everyone that I'm talking to feels the same way.

00:14:18.640 I mean, I'm getting text after text of, I'm nauseously optimistic, or I'm stress eating

00:14:25.180 an entire sheet cake.

00:14:26.620 And then I'm like, where'd you get that sheet cake?

00:14:28.260 Because I'd like a sheet cake.

00:14:29.720 Hey, share the sheet cake.

00:14:31.020 Share your get.

00:14:31.760 Can you come over here with your sheet cake?

00:14:33.940 Right.

00:14:34.680 And yeah, I just think it's going to be, it's going to be, it feels like it's going to be

00:14:40.120 10 years until we get results.

00:14:42.700 But I voted in person this morning.

00:14:44.340 I took the kids and that was fun.

00:14:47.620 And everyone, everyone that we walked by on the street and at the polling place was filled

00:14:52.440 with joy.

00:14:53.020 there are um djs at most polling stations in philadelphia right now yep philadelphia sure

00:14:59.920 yeah yeah um and uh that's it's a party the polling stations are have turned into

00:15:05.620 a party and there is a lot of joy there so i don't know the way i'm feeling is changing

00:15:11.260 minute by minute and i think that's the way most people feel right now yeah i mean i feel like

00:15:17.500 polling has really warped people's expectations for election day like it really sold people

00:15:24.620 this myth that it could be predicted and what we've learned over the last two presidential

00:15:29.920 cycles is like in fact no much like other forms of prediction I mean it might as well just be

00:15:37.280 astrology you know it is just totally I actually think that astrology might be I think astrology

00:15:43.140 really might be a better sign at this point yeah Leo versus Taurus we know who's gonna come out on

00:15:48.640 top um so you know yeah I just think that like people have this expectation of knowing and what

00:15:55.420 we have this cycle is all of these pollsters who don't want to be wrong and so they're just

00:16:00.680 predicting a 50-50 split and they're hurting right they're all trying to go into the center

00:16:05.180 so no one is the extreme outlier that above or below so then they don't get so don't lose their

00:16:10.860 jobs because inevitably like at the end of the day these pollsters are people who are employed

00:16:14.280 they get contracts to run these polls they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts

00:16:18.480 and they need people to keep paying them based on their reputation uh to get more poll contracts

00:16:24.260 and you know that's why everyone freaked out about this Iowa poll so much is because this

00:16:29.060 woman was willing to put out a poll that wasn't hurting with everybody else and it was very

00:16:33.440 exciting but inevitably I think back to the emotional tenor the subject of the discussion

00:16:38.440 You know, I think that people sort of had come to believe that we would know and we would have, we would get to like have some future telling, but we don't know. And we are going, we are going into this evening, totally blind as the results.

00:16:54.420 Totally, totally.

00:16:54.960 And that's such a good point about the polls.

00:16:56.640 I mean, I've been talking about the polls a lot.

00:16:58.860 I don't even know how the polling is working anymore.

00:17:02.440 I get phone calls constantly

00:17:04.320 and I never answer the phone.

00:17:06.040 I never respond to these texts.

00:17:07.500 I don't know who the polls are actually reaching

00:17:10.740 at this point to poll them.

00:17:12.560 But yes, of course,

00:17:13.500 the pollsters don't want to be irrelevant.

00:17:15.540 They don't want to be shamed for being wrong

00:17:18.420 because the polls are increasingly harder to do.

00:17:22.140 So yeah, just saying,

00:17:23.120 oh yeah it's so hard to tell it's in the middle then it can go then they can say they were kind

00:17:27.660 of right right there's plausible deniability here one poll company that i believe uses targeted

00:17:33.540 instagram ads to find people to poll um which is wild uh yeah it's you know and then we have the

00:17:41.500 whole added thing of conservative outlets using polls to create the specter of a trump win which

00:17:47.580 is something a methodology they developed in the 2022 midterms to create can you explain that

00:17:53.520 methodology to me yeah so it's just you know they have created a bunch of conservative polling

00:17:58.880 companies who then do polls to come out with they have like a preconceived idea of what the outcome

00:18:04.320 will be they figure out a way to to move the math shows trump is going to be winning and then they

00:18:10.260 put out those polls to create momentum because right especially election day voters and undecided

00:18:15.520 are like very impacted by vibes and how do you create vibes it is not a science and so one of

00:18:23.600 the ways to do that is to create momentum through polling like everyone likes a winner

00:18:27.280 everyone likes a winner and this is one of the big problems with democrats who are constant like

00:18:32.840 a very very verbally anxious group of people who always think we're doing awful and if you

00:18:38.960 constantly talk about how you're losing uh there's a there's actually like a psychology term for this

00:18:45.960 i talked about it in my most recent sub stack wait wait the word is that like the tip of my tongue

00:18:50.800 middle-aged women can't think of words sure can't that's actually you know what that should be the

00:18:55.680 next podcast we do we should do the podcast is called middle-aged women can't think of words

00:19:00.600 yeah um but i was like i gotta do it i gotta do a whole episode on this a whole sub stack on it

00:19:06.680 because if you repeat something over and over and over again you it becomes truth I think it's

00:19:13.100 called illusory truth theory um yeah or I think there's a bias I think it's something bias yes

00:19:18.240 anyhow but you know and and when you see democrats saying Kamala can't win Kamala can't win Kamala

00:19:25.580 can't win over and over again suddenly people are like I don't want to be on that team yeah I don't

00:19:29.620 want to be I don't want to be I don't want to be a losing team totally totally and but but the other

00:19:34.680 side the the the republicans are so grandiose in their we are the best we are we already won

00:19:42.200 you guys didn't know we counted the votes and we we won last week right like uh you know and

00:19:49.340 tonight donald trump i i have i feel with incredible certainty he will declare himself

00:19:55.260 the winner it does not matter what has happened and you know because he said this out loud

00:19:59.000 repeatedly for many many months it's how i i can say that with certainty you know he will declare

00:20:03.080 himself the winner um if if you know there is this thing called the red mirage and the red

00:20:08.840 mirage is on election day at some point the data starts showing that republicans are ahead and this

00:20:14.500 is because democrats disproportionately vote mail-in and also democrats disproportionately

00:20:20.520 live in cities which are larger and thereby take longer to collect all of the votes and so the

00:20:27.640 republican smaller towns come in quicker um and so there's this thing called the red mirage

00:20:32.820 And, you know, there's already rumors going that Trump is going to try to stop vote counts then.

00:20:38.360 And we know this because he tried to do it in 2020.

00:20:41.600 You know, this isn't, we have a history to look at.

00:20:44.080 He's going to try to say, like, stop counting those mail-in ballots.

00:20:46.640 We're done.

00:20:47.820 We're done.

00:20:48.540 We're done.

00:20:49.020 And I saw a influencer, a conservative influencer I follow today being like, I don't understand. 0.95

00:20:55.800 It's ridiculous.

00:20:56.880 How could they take longer than 24 hours to count the vote? 0.80

00:20:59.740 and I was like it's so interesting to watch them start uh the propaganda you know yes already

00:21:08.980 already and it is starting right like they're starting the propaganda already yeah and but

00:21:13.960 and it sounds so reasonable when she says it you know oh they should they we should be able to get

00:21:18.020 this done and I'm like well you know what on the one hand we should be able to get this done on the

00:21:20.940 other hand I know where you're going I know where you're going with this yeah yeah I see you I see

00:21:26.280 the path that you're taking my friend I see I see you and you know I've gotten I got a bunch of DMs

00:21:32.660 um but today asking me to sort of explain Republican talking points on a variety of issues

00:21:39.020 and I was like it's propaganda to help Donald Trump win the presidency you know what I mean

00:21:44.640 like there's not a lot of thought behind it other than that when you have conservative Christians

00:21:51.960 who believe abortion is murder and i i truly believe they think this in their heart of hearts

00:21:57.880 this is their actual ideological perspective oh yeah no they believe this yeah they believe this

00:22:02.660 in their heart of hearts yeah if you believe that how could you possibly think abortion should be 0.93

00:22:07.100 left up to the states that's ridiculous i don't i don't think murder of adults should be left up to

00:22:12.980 the states i think it should be illegal everywhere um you know and um it you know they're saying it

00:22:21.100 to help Donald Trump win the election, not because they believe it, right? Like, because it's

00:22:24.540 propaganda. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly, exactly. I mean, so much of it is propaganda. And also,

00:22:30.620 again, I say this all the time, because I talk so much about influence in social media, but

00:22:35.020 we've never had this much information, literally in front of our face and at our fingertips,

00:22:42.500 constantly about what is happening all over the place, so much misinformation being thrown in

00:22:48.900 our face and it's completely unhealthy there's a reason that we're all ridden with anxiety like

00:22:55.380 this is this is simply not how democracy is meant to function it is incredibly toxic and unhealthy

00:23:02.320 okay i just googled it while you were talking sorry i wasn't listening illusory truth effect

00:23:06.740 the tendency to believe information is true after being exposed to it repeatedly

00:23:12.020 and it can even occur when the information contradicts prior knowledge or is implausible

00:23:18.200 And it's so true.

00:23:19.660 Back to what you were saying.

00:23:23.260 I have been mainlining TikTok for the past month.

00:23:29.400 Well, hold your horses on that, friend.

00:23:31.920 And I wish that I could stop you from doing that.

00:23:34.800 Let's take a quick break.

00:23:35.700 And when we get back, I want you to tell me what is happening on the TikToks.

00:23:47.380 okay Emily I do tell you over and over again to stop the TikTok you do because I don't think

00:23:52.600 it's not good for your brain it's not good so as everyone knows I've been unwell I've been

00:23:58.000 I've taken to my bed like a 19th century Victorian uh heroine in some of my favorite novels um

00:24:07.200 and I therefore and I have to be like horizontal with my head down and sometimes I'm so tired I

00:24:15.100 just want to like look at my phone and obviously TikTok is the most occupying of occupations

00:24:20.700 right totally I mean I understand that and I hate it for you right and so because my Instagram is

00:24:26.860 just conservative dribble it gets boring after like two minutes TikTok makes me absolutely

00:24:33.720 miserable it it I can feel it destroying my brain as I'm consuming it I can feel it trying

00:24:43.440 to manipulate me and I can feel the other like the garbage eating away at the centers of my brain

00:24:50.360 that are for decision making like it really is wild you know and I think I have the um the benefit

00:24:57.420 of being like a fully my brain is fully matured it has probably already peaked and it's going the

00:25:04.020 other way it's going the other direction yeah right you know and I think about these kids whose

00:25:09.220 brains have not developed and how it must be just totally twisting and you know we've talked a lot

00:25:15.780 about this when it comes to trad wife stuff which is like there's a core of truth to the trend which

00:25:22.560 is like I we want to go back to a time where we didn't have these things and I think one of those

00:25:28.340 things that we really dislike is the information overload from our phones yeah no we don't like it

00:25:33.860 we don't like it I don't I don't like it I'll say like I you know the I have the puppy I have to

00:25:38.860 take the puppy to the park every day um I need to get out of the house I don't take my phone with me

00:25:44.060 and leave the phone at home same you know same same same yeah and I um I I try to like take

00:25:52.820 time away from the phone and like force it and it's hard I'm like totally addicted but yeah yeah

00:26:01.220 well you know I told you this uh a couple of months ago uh when I first started taking the

00:26:06.680 the semi-glutide that is ozempic-ish whatever uh that you know it it does inhibit some of the

00:26:14.440 dopamine like highs you get from binge eating from binge drinking but um it also it also seems

00:26:21.260 to inhibit uh the dopamine highs that I get from looking at the phone so I don't look at the phone

00:26:27.560 as often I forget to look at the phone I don't scroll social media and to me this is proof that

00:26:33.120 the phone is very clearly like playing on the same addiction mechanisms that booze and sugar do

00:26:39.520 it's so funny i don't feel like i get dopamine highs from it i don't know what i get from it

00:26:45.280 it's like more like a fascination it doesn't make me happy even but i don't think it's giving you

00:26:51.300 like a like a cocaine high per se i think it's more like it's not the kind of high we realize

00:26:57.460 like like oh my god i'm elated but it keeps you coming back is the thing i think it does have

00:27:01.800 this addiction that keeps you coming back you know and it's even when even when you don't feel

00:27:07.120 good what I feel from it is this sense of socialization like I really feel that I am

00:27:13.680 being able to interact with other human beings I'm decidedly not and you know like I have to

00:27:19.160 constantly remind myself that like this is not equal to a real life human interaction

00:27:24.460 right right and I'll say one of the things as a side note that I have started to get a little 0.91

00:27:31.460 bit of shit for from friends is like I'm also sort of over constant texting like if you want 0.78

00:27:36.800 to talk to me call me you know like I just it's too much I can't take it the group chats drive me 0.97

00:27:42.980 nuts yeah yeah but I'm just like I don't I just want to like take a break a little bit that is

00:27:50.220 interesting that you say that because you and I text a lot and I don't like texting on my phone

00:27:56.420 like when I'm not writing back to you right away it's because I'm probably on my phone

00:27:59.680 if I'm text if I'm on the computer I treat it just like email that's it so I don't mind responding

00:28:04.760 on the computer but I hate it what because it feels like an interruption when it's on my phone

00:28:09.440 right uh I don't think we text that much Jo I'm sorry to break it to you you don't think we text

00:28:14.200 that much no we uh we do not in my head we text we don't have entire conversations on text

00:28:21.100 I have friends that would want to have entire multi-hour conversations on text oh I don't

00:28:27.080 want to do that i'm just like call me and talk to me for five minutes or if you're like making

00:28:31.040 plans with someone to go meet please call me you know what i mean like let's just i don't um i i

00:28:37.660 i think that like texting and i see this especially with like more gen z people that i interact with

00:28:45.420 also that texting offers a um a sort of block of intimacy with people um and to loop that back to

00:28:56.360 the original conversation which is like back to the election the election by the way I do just

00:29:02.400 want to say that I just texted someone while we were talking and asked them to bring a sheet cake

00:29:06.040 to me how how else now that my sheet cake is on its way and don't worry it's vanilla cake with

00:29:10.940 funfetti frosting oh okay good the funfetti is there um I so I did want to say a diversion to

00:29:18.100 the diversion to the diversion is Donald Trump has his comms director defending his quote-unquote

00:29:25.920 patented weave now that that's now what he calls it because you know when donald trump gives his

00:29:30.280 speeches he constantly goes on a riff would be a nice word but he like loses the plot consistently

00:29:36.860 he loses the plot and he calls this his weave uh he's like when you said when you when you said

00:29:44.160 patented weave you know what i thought you did yeah i did i don't he is a comb over i think

00:29:49.560 that's fact um a comb over i mean what i can tell you and i've said this before is that when i was

00:29:54.920 a gossip columnist reporting on Donald Trump um you know as a both a celebrity and a failing real

00:30:02.040 estate magnate anytime that I would mention that his comb over or hairpiece looked out of place

00:30:07.000 he would personally call me to say that I didn't know I didn't know that Joe wow yeah he personally

00:30:14.660 called a lot that's so funny yeah um he really cares about those types of things so his weave

00:30:22.820 is his is diversion technique and you know when when media sends critical questions to his presser

00:30:29.140 he's like the media doesn't understand his his patented weave his patent and weave i don't

00:30:36.240 understand his patent no um i just wanted to end uh so we were talking about mainlining tiktok and

00:30:42.900 how miserable it makes us and the over deluge of information at play and i i even feel that way

00:30:51.640 about this election one of the things that was happening is I was reading a lot last night like

00:30:55.820 sort of late in bed about the early vote numbers and the Trump campaign put out so one of the

00:31:02.620 things campaigns do is they create they manufacture leaked internal memos to make it right like I love

00:31:10.600 love love that we don't talk about this nearly enough like the leaked internal memo situation

00:31:15.880 in news articles because yeah yeah it's like all very intentional i think like dan pfeiffer of pod

00:31:22.300 save america was at one point like i wrote a lot of internal memos yeah that he did that he did

00:31:28.680 and uh you know so they like they had this internal memo of early vote numbers that is like

00:31:34.720 manufactured essentially it seems and so i was reading all this data and i even it was late it

00:31:40.680 was like 10 p.m i even lost the plot and there was so much information coming at me mind you

00:31:45.980 none of this information will change any of my actions or any of my values like it doesn't have

00:31:52.480 any impact of me spending 45 minutes of my life trying to untangle my brain of these early vote

00:31:58.380 numbers that i could in fact just wait 24 hours and have the vote vote number the non-early vote

00:32:04.840 numbers start rolling totally totally but i think our brain our brains are also trained these days

00:32:09.520 to want information so fast that we just like the waiting I think we're more impatient than ever

00:32:17.040 yeah and so the waiting just feels longer it just it just does and also again like because the news

00:32:25.860 cycle is giving us these constant almost fake updates like they're making up things to talk

00:32:30.980 about because there's nothing to talk about there's not going to be anything to talk about

00:32:33.460 until late tonight until after the polls close on the west coast if there's even anything then

00:32:38.940 uh we feel like we're getting stuff again we feel that hit that hit of dopamine we're like i just

00:32:45.000 learned something we just moved the ball forward and i do think that this this need for immediate

00:32:51.240 information also really is uh i'm sure there's a sports analogy here but it's really helping

00:32:56.700 the conspiracy theory we don't know it i'll never get there um and you know because

00:33:03.920 undoubtedly Republicans will put out tons and tons and tons of fake theories about fraud and how

00:33:11.240 it's happening right and it takes a while for someone to go and actually validate that that

00:33:17.520 didn't happen and like someone who was doing it correctly where you like review the footage you

00:33:22.000 talk to sources cross all your t's dot all your i's like that takes time and I get it right like

00:33:29.180 i i get the a conspiracy theory will go out into the public and i'll start getting dms what's the

00:33:36.400 real story can you please verify like true this and i'm like girls it's been one minute

00:33:40.960 i definitely don't know this let alone the people who should know it probably don't even know it

00:33:46.300 like you know and and sometimes by the time we get the real information people's attention span

00:33:52.480 has moved on to the next thing yeah it has yeah it has i mean it it definitely definitely has

00:33:58.840 moved on to the next thing. I want to give people a little bit of hope on election day. I think

00:34:05.040 that's what people want right now. They want some hope. And so what is making you hopeful right now?

00:34:14.280 I am so excited about all of these women who are going to vote for repro, vote for abortion,

00:34:21.920 and they're going to show up. And I think lots and lots of women who have lived under the thumb

00:34:27.780 of patriarchy for their entire lives like tia talked about last week but not just women who

00:34:33.340 live in like severe forms of patriarchy i think like a lot of people i grew up with in texas have

00:34:38.320 just very much internalized a lot of ideas um and i am excited for them to be like actually no

00:34:45.120 actually i'm gonna be my own bitch and i'm gonna go and i'm gonna vote um and i'm also really

00:34:49.840 excited by all of the people who are doing things for the first time who are making calls for the 0.94

00:34:55.680 first time who are sending postcards whatever it is um you know they are doing something for the

00:35:01.500 first time and i really think you know this is something i talk about in democracy and retrograde

00:35:05.780 like you get the drug once you start doing little civic actions you realize actually it's easy it's

00:35:12.320 fun it's very rewarding and then you keep doing it um and and that's what we need we need people

00:35:19.600 to just keep up and doing it.

00:35:22.040 Yeah, totally, totally.

00:35:23.380 I mean, I've met so many young people this cycle,

00:35:26.380 the youngsters, the youth,

00:35:28.080 who are doing things for the first time,

00:35:31.640 who are engaging for the first time.

00:35:33.600 And they're so excited.

00:35:34.680 And they're both, look, we did have our whole episode

00:35:36.840 where we talked about gender and the gender divide,

00:35:39.340 but I'm meeting both young men and young women, okay?

00:35:42.960 And it's a really big deal

00:35:45.460 because no matter what happens tonight, tomorrow, this week,

00:35:48.740 you know these are the people who are going to really inherit the next election cycle and they're

00:35:54.780 the ones that are really going to have to have to push forward change I mean even if this goes the

00:36:01.040 way we want it to we also know that a lot has to be fixed in our democracy okay it shouldn't have

00:36:07.720 been this close and so no no no no no I mean that's all I mean that's all I could say at dinner

00:36:15.320 last night i'm like it just shouldn't be this this is another podcast episode that we have to

00:36:20.960 save until after today yeah yeah the focus is on winning the focus is on winning uh and yeah like

00:36:29.260 i said the joy that i felt walking out of my house in pennsylvania the most important state in the 0.92

00:36:34.460 nation right have you heard yeah has anyone has anyone heard that pennsylvania we're a big fucking

00:36:40.220 deal right now um and you know what pennsylvania loves it too because we love attention pennsylvania 0.60

00:36:45.800 really has main character energy as far as states go we really really do and philadelphia has the

00:36:51.800 mainest of main character energy uh in pennsylvania well you know what i was thinking about i'm gonna

00:36:56.820 do something crazy right now um something crazy what is it i have no idea you don't know what

00:37:02.020 i'm gonna do no you really don't so i you know that i wrote this novel charlotte walsh likes to

00:37:09.140 win about a woman running for senate in pennsylvania eight years ago apropos apropos it was

00:37:15.640 apropos of then it's apropos of now uh the ending of that book for people who haven't read it and

00:37:22.440 this is going to be a spoiler so plug your ears if you don't want a spoiler uh the ending is is

00:37:28.280 undecided we don't know if she won or not i know i know people hate that readers hate goodreads

00:37:36.200 hates that you can you can check it out because people like a decisive ending when we were working

00:37:42.780 on the tv series we were like oh for the tv series like how do we move the ball how do we

00:37:47.480 move the ball forward to second season right uh and so in that scenario she likely won

00:37:54.180 when i got asked right after the book came out i was like no she didn't she didn't win because at

00:37:59.580 that point eight years ago i did not think a woman oh you did not think a woman could win and i didn't

00:38:04.840 want to create a fairy tale and now I'm going to amend the ending I'm going to add an additional 0.70

00:38:09.680 ending to Charlotte Walsh and she fucking wins okay I think I'm going to write it this afternoon

00:38:13.540 I would like a sub stack I would like a what's what's the opposite of prologue at the end of a 0.95

00:38:18.880 book an epilogue an epilogue I'm going to write I'm going to write I'm writing an epilogue of

00:38:22.100 Charlotte Walsh likes to win uh today as soon as we get off the phone uh about how she wins okay 0.72

00:38:27.980 this time now she wins okay yeah wow yeah you heard her you heard it here first middle-aged

00:38:34.760 women don't know words uh epilogue epilogue not that's can i get a t-shirt that says

00:38:42.360 what's the opposite of a prologue it's just you know um because this time she wins like this time

00:38:51.900 i do think that feel things wow joe that's really giving the people hope right there yeah

00:38:57.320 yeah it is we're gonna get this podcast out and this sub stack out we've got a lot and i've got

00:39:03.480 to eat a whole sheet cake you have to eat a whole sheet cake and i have to figure out do you think 0.73

00:39:09.360 that there's a place for me on only fans where i eat cheap i think the mukbang era has ended i

00:39:15.600 actually that's my actual opinion um i think that maybe if you stepped it if you like stepped your

00:39:22.760 feet into sheet cake that might be an only fan so gross I've always thought if the legal career

00:39:32.100 doesn't work out for me I'm gonna become a foot foot fluencer I feel like I could do insert I get

00:39:38.040 some even keel toes yeah I support I support that for you thank you it's my backup plan guys

00:39:45.100 it's it's not great we should all have a backup plan okay we really should yeah i've been i've

00:39:52.900 been morally um grappling about if like we talk about preparing for the trump era or not i don't

00:40:01.460 think we talk about it now that's the thing i think we can talk about it tomorrow i don't got

00:40:06.040 tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow no i don't i don't think we have to talk about it again because

00:40:12.040 what's it going to do that's the thing I think it's just gonna put put the wrong vibes out there

00:40:16.080 for right now most saliently that I you know the Kamala Harris is nothing else if not the most 0.98

00:40:23.000 disciplined political candidate I've ever seen in my entire life and I have seen been up close to 0.93

00:40:28.260 many of them and I keep thinking of her inspiration when I want to like wade off into outrage politics

00:40:34.820 that I know will get me views but I'm like nope stay the course democracy is more important yeah

00:40:40.320 um can i weave i just want to weave for a moment yeah you can weave i'm gonna weave back to the

00:40:46.260 illusory truth effect and talk about something um have you seen the martha stewart documentary

00:40:51.640 on netflix no not yet not yet it's in my queue i i watched it yesterday and you know i'm actually 0.96

00:41:00.700 i like martha stewart i'm a fan i do too yeah she's got bad bitch energy um i too love a hoity

00:41:08.800 toity interior and a well-executed dinner party you really do I do I do yeah um I'm a little I'm

00:41:16.080 a little much and you know I've been a fan for a long time and I thought I knew the story of the

00:41:24.420 security fraud trial and I thought she went to prison because she used insider information

00:41:32.160 and uh that was in from something that was repeated to me over and over again by gossip rags

00:41:38.820 uh by i know i was writing them by joe piazza um and uh i just learned yesterday that that is not

00:41:49.420 true that in fact she went to prison for lying to investigators but not for the underlying issue of

00:41:56.740 the actual security fraud which was never proven all that was right that she lied

00:42:01.260 and I was like unbelievable unbelievable that this is someone who I have known and liked for

00:42:09.000 so many years and because I heard something over and over and over again I just believed it to be

00:42:14.320 true I mean it's the illusory truth effect in form and uh it is so it is and I'm I'm a reader

00:42:23.740 like I'm sure I read about it I'm sure I mean no and you know and nonetheless it is such an

00:42:29.400 effective methodology and I think one of the things one of the things I've always noted about

00:42:34.520 the politicians whom I meet who are the best are the are people who have a weird ability to repeat

00:42:41.340 themselves over and over again which is not a natural human behavior no no no in fact human

00:42:46.720 beings fight against it in normal life right like I really don't like repeating myself and um

00:42:51.760 and I just imagine my mother being like I already told you I'm not repeating myself

00:42:57.220 yeah exactly and you know there that is one of the personality traits that makes you be a really

00:43:04.060 really good politician and Trump has it in droves he says the same things over and over and over

00:43:12.160 again and I just think it's so effective it's very effective it's very effective um and you

00:43:19.260 know the Martha Stewart thing is interesting because I remember you are you are correct it

00:43:22.840 was it was for lying and I remember writing that I do and yet I had forgotten it because the general

00:43:29.220 narrative had been around the the actual fraud like it just flew out of my brain because I heard

00:43:34.700 the other thing so much right and you're so right you know if we keep hearing the messaging she can't

00:43:41.220 win a woman can't win people are going to believe it even if you don't believe it it's you know

00:43:45.820 advertising and marketing is really really effective propaganda is really effective

00:43:49.820 and so i don't even want to talk about you know what happens tomorrow uh no i i just i want us

00:43:58.120 to experience joy today and i think i'm gonna win she's gonna come out yeah um i think you know

00:44:04.700 it's gonna be painful it's not gonna be like a fun easy transition for two months but no

00:44:10.900 no but i i really believe um and if she doesn't we're gonna figure our shit out because there's 0.99

00:44:17.800 no other option there's no other option pull up our panties pull up your big girl panties 0.98

00:44:24.000 friends and like and eat that eat that sheet cake yeah eat the sheet cake i want to hear about

00:44:29.360 everyone's sheet cake favorites um i like a texas chocolate sheet cake i'm not gonna lie

00:44:34.540 interesting i can make that for you at the next dinner party i host please do please do yeah you

00:44:40.140 You know, you can get on that train and come up here and she can with me if you want.

00:44:43.460 I know.

00:44:44.060 I would love to.

00:44:45.160 Yeah.

00:44:45.720 More than anything.

00:44:46.220 She can together.

00:44:47.740 Can you imagine bringing my dog into Joe Piazza's children's house?

00:44:53.880 You have brought your dogs into Joe Piazza's children's house.

00:44:57.140 Joe Piazza's children.

00:44:58.940 I have.

00:44:59.280 Your dogs have been with me in my house.

00:45:03.660 When we had Dolly, Dolly and Poppy, both of them.

00:45:08.140 You liked Dolly more than Poppy at the time, I believe.

00:45:10.920 I did.

00:45:11.520 I did, indeed. 0.99

00:45:12.760 Dolly had chill energy. 1.00

00:45:14.360 Chill energy. 0.99

00:45:15.380 You know, I just don't have room.

00:45:17.760 Poppy has the same energy as my four-year-old daughter.

00:45:20.240 Frankly, they're the same.

00:45:21.380 They're the same.

00:45:22.040 And I don't have room in my life for another one.

00:45:24.920 Like, this is it.

00:45:26.300 All the things.

00:45:27.380 I have no more energy left.

00:45:30.080 But I do have energy to say that I think she's going to win.

00:45:32.780 I think it's okay for us to be optimistic. 1.00

00:45:34.200 i think it's okay also for us to savor the fact that we just voted for a fucking woman again okay 0.99

00:45:41.000 like that's not a small thing and it matters and i was talking about it with my son and my 0.98

00:45:44.600 daughters last night and we can we can feel grateful that we did that right now we don't

00:45:50.080 have to feel another way kamala has done this in four months this is an incredible feat i mean 0.97

00:45:56.760 yes people shit on democrats for being incapable of doing anything ever and they have put on an

00:46:03.500 incredible campaign yeah they have come back from the lowest of lows uh and and we have a very very 0.98

00:46:11.000 much a fighting chance uh you know and and I I think it's it's gonna be great and the other thing

00:46:20.420 is like Kamala's gonna be a great president she's gonna be a great president okay she's gonna be a

00:46:24.660 great president for all of us she's gonna make America freaking cool again okay and I really

00:46:28.560 i really hope we have the senate like i really hope larry hogan burns and does not win um i

00:46:36.400 think you know that's so important and if we get it it's like all hands on deck let's go like let's

00:46:42.280 do it everything lfg lfg speaker hakeem jeffries like all the things so we're gonna go um we're

00:46:51.600 gonna happy election to everyone wonderful to spend this time with you hope you are today

00:46:57.360 enjoy it savoring your sheet cake or whatever treat special little treat gets you through the

00:47:03.660 day bye-bye bye

00:47:27.360 Thank you.

Under the Influence (with Jo Piazza) - November 05, 2024

You Deserve All the Hope

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