00:13:26.940Strong, strong, chiseled, chiseled, short hair, short hair, handsome, handsome.
00:13:36.780and usually we use the word toward a woman a handsome woman it's said in the pejorative way
00:13:42.060yes it's interesting how we we kind of use them to the woman yeah no yeah um uh so so those are
00:13:49.980some physical attributes you know men wear pants men wear suits here are some clothing options for
00:13:57.020men right there are some certain masculine jobs we would attribute to men you know uh soldiers
00:14:04.140and and construction and all of those heavy lifting jobs yada yada yada now there's also
00:14:11.820some emotional or intellectual uh masculine more masculine categorization what would what would you
00:14:20.860put in that list repeat the question like you just described being masculine as all uh physicality0.89
00:14:30.220but what about the emotional or mental aspects of you know what's yeah cold uh arrogant arrogant
00:14:39.500um not emotional rational very rational is one of them um adventurous competitive competitive um
00:14:51.980obnoxious there it is there's some of the masculine drivers right right some of the
00:14:59.020feminine drivers i'd include like you know for for aesthetics you know you have long hair they're
00:15:05.100slight they're thin they're delicate they you know are nurturing they're emotional they're cooperative
00:15:11.980they're loving caretakers right some of the jobs that go along with women again associate directly
00:15:17.980with the qualities we've already attributed to them that's why they're the nurses and the hygienists
00:15:22.700and the the teachers especially elementary school teachers um mothers obviously so what we've done
00:15:31.660what society has done right created two sets of two lists both physical and sort of emotional
00:15:38.620that will apply to a baby as soon as it comes out quite literally yeah literally right and studies
00:15:48.300have shown that as soon as a child is out of its mother we ask if it's a boy or a girl and then
00:15:58.140everything about the way that we interact with them changes yes right what we how we dress them
00:16:07.420how we speak to them how we hold them girls we talk to quieter softer we tell them they're
00:16:15.500beautiful. We say they're going to break a lot of hearts. Boys, we hold out further. We jostle
00:16:20.820them around a little bit. We tell them, you know, they're going to be a great linebacker,
00:16:25.120whatever we're going to put on them. And so from the binary of sex, we've created a binary,
00:16:36.720an almost instantaneous binary of gender characteristics that go with the sex. I have
00:16:44.320question for you yes any of that based in reality because you're going to have the jordan petersons
00:16:50.240haven't helped me of this world because they're so goddamn loud talk about how that's evolutionary
00:16:57.520about how there's found and we're not going to be able to get into i mean i'm not going to be able
00:17:02.320to get into like all sorts of different things when it comes to brain chemistry and what part
00:17:07.760of your hippocampus is bigger i i'm not going to do that i can't do that but a lot of these people
00:17:12.800would say listen there's some biological realities that you can't just ignore like joanne that you
00:17:20.560you can't ignore and let's bring a couple up because i you know i want to shut them down before
00:17:25.600they even start you know talking i should say one thing i i think that we also have to take into
00:17:30.480account this exactly what you're saying is that um is that those these words that we're talking
00:17:38.240about these words that we have um assigned to to people i think like for centuries society has has
00:17:47.440sort of centered some people um in the in the like self-centered them and others they have kind of
00:17:54.720like ascribed to the margins of society and i think that for a long time these monikers these
00:18:02.080these kind of like gendered phrases and words have not been looked at. And I think that when
00:18:10.080people like Jordan Peterson or people like Lauren Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene
00:18:17.520asked what defines a woman, how would you define a woman? I think that we can say
00:18:23.440the definition of a woman and definition of a man and definition of all these different things
00:18:28.720are under review like a cisgender woman is a type of woman a trans woman is a type of woman
00:18:37.440a black woman is a type of woman because the definitions of all of these different kind of
00:18:42.640spaces may have intersection but they're all vastly different definitions of what those are
00:18:50.160and i think that's something that that's a great i like that answer thank you i really like it's
00:18:56.800under review under review it's under review we're gonna have to take a minute our team's gonna need
00:19:02.160to take a minute yeah um what i also like about that is that you know we pretend as though
00:19:11.360definitions are naturally constructed oh right we pretend like we didn't make up words in the first
00:19:18.560place exactly the meaning somehow it exists outside of our definitions right i find that
00:19:25.920interesting i also find this is this is the one question i always ask people when they do bring
00:19:30.720this to me and they'll say are you a guy or a girl because that's the same question right what
00:19:35.280is a woman are you a guy or a girl i mean it's the same and my question is always this why
00:19:41.920why is the definition so important because your your purpose of a definition
00:19:46.960is to marginalize and exclude that's why you want to define this you're not looking to define this
00:19:52.480i can't stew can you think of a functional purpose other than what bathroom we're going to use and
00:19:58.080heaven forbid this be our biggest issue in the 20 you know 2022 but i can't think of a need1.00
00:20:06.160for a sociological definition of a woman to serve what purpose well this is the thing it doesn't1.00
00:20:14.560serve a purpose it but it gives people the comfort in knowing where they can place you0.98
00:20:18.480there it is and it's there is exactly the thing it's a comfortable space to be in because people
00:20:25.520like labels and if they can't label something and someone someone cannot like ascribe a definition
00:20:33.600to a label to feel more comfortable and to put you in a place it's uncomfortable it's an
00:20:38.960uncomfortable space to be in and i always i always say especially when i'm doing some of these these
00:20:44.560trainings it's okay to be feel like a discomfort because people when people feel discomfort
00:20:52.560things change things move on yeah you have uh progress in society you have
00:21:00.560new things created new institutions created to make sure that um that discomfort is recognized
00:21:06.800torn down a pieced apart and really figured out as to why that makes you uncomfortable is it
00:21:13.280something that goes against how you were raised how you believe what the definitions are and how
00:21:19.040does it impact your life so like we use uh gay marriage for just completely outside of this whole
00:21:27.440kind of conversation we're talking about because something people can assign to um
00:21:32.880for a long time people were like no marriage isn't really it's an important word that word
00:21:36.320means something therefore it couldn't possibly mean something outside of a marriage between one
00:21:41.920man and one woman. But because of that push, because of those conversations, because of that
00:21:49.020work on the back end from queer and the LGBTQIA community to face those conversations and those0.65
00:21:57.180issues head on and to push people into a space where they had to really reflect on what that
00:22:05.240word means which at the end of the day is a union between two people um seen by the government and
00:22:12.460like really it's a legal term and like yes there's some religious connotations to it as well but
00:22:17.580at the end of the day it's a it's a legal word you check off that box are you married or single
00:22:24.240every government and every every form i've ever filled out says are you married they don't say
00:22:29.100was it a civil union right no no no the state recognizes marriage that's the word they use
00:22:35.820too so it's it can be religious but it's also very much legal absolutely it comes with with
00:22:41.900benefits on the back end of it spousal benefits it comes with being able to visit your spouse
00:22:48.540in the hospital it comes with um a variety of different things when it comes to housing and
00:22:53.740family planning and security over having uh children making sure they are they're there
00:22:59.820so it's there and that's really something where people were like oh okay and it was a long time
00:23:05.340fight but once we have this ability now and it's the same word because people for the longest time
00:23:11.820was like well why can't you be happy with civil union right because it's not the same
00:23:17.580it's why does it have to be different why do i have to be civilly union
00:23:21.660to somebody it needs to be different because it always was exactly right and you tapped into
00:23:29.180something really really important and this is true for everybody and i want everybody again
00:23:34.540who is listening or watching to understand that and i'll let stew you know speak for themselves but
00:23:43.020this is it's not like i'm comfortable with everything
00:23:45.180it's not like i never go oh that was a change i wasn't ready for or that's a mistake that i made
00:23:53.800or i can't really wrap my head around this or you know and so to understand that we all
00:24:01.100balk at when our founding traditions are are rocked we feel unsteady in our in our most
00:24:09.380significant foundational level of socialization is our gender. And I think that transfers and
00:24:19.900transcends religions and races and countries and cultures. It is the fundamental basic
00:24:29.360building block, how we thought we're going to build a functionalist society. And I also don't
00:24:36.400think somebody's sitting at home going, how do we screw over women? I don't, I don't necessarily1.00
00:24:41.360think that, I think that's how it progressed, but I, but I also feel as though it's our foundational
00:24:47.380tradition and our foundational tradition, when we start shaking that people get uncomfortable.
00:24:54.920You know what, actually, um, Anne Hathaway actually is a really good quote, exactly what
00:25:00.500saying um i have it pulled up here so i was looking for this one thing and this is it uh she0.71
00:25:08.340says i think one of the reasons why the idea of being transgender being non-binary is so threatening
00:25:14.180so upsetting to a lot of conservatives especially conservative evangelicals is because so much of
00:25:20.100their worldview is based on capitalistic patriarchy and coding men and women by hair clothes shoes
00:25:26.500voice, makeup is an easy way for them to distinguish between competition and consumables.
00:25:33.620It's perfect. That's a perfect definition. I was just saying this the other day. I don't remember
00:25:38.500what my, because we were talking very much, I was talking about, you know, sexism. And then I read
00:25:45.900something that said 55% of white women voted for Trump. And I was reading all like, why would they
00:25:52.500do that? And what's that mentality? And you start to understand that part of the broken system we
00:26:00.380live in has trained some people, specifically a lot of white, cisgendered, straight women,
00:26:07.640that this is the best they've got. And the protection that they're going to garner,0.96
00:26:12.820sure, they might be able to do it themselves, but you know who's going to do it for them?
00:26:16.520Their men, whether it's their dad, their brother, their husband, their boyfriend,
00:26:21.420it doesn't matter but the men in my life are there for that and they almost say it with pride right
00:26:28.080they say it with pride and they say it with but that's just the balance of it all and they don't
00:26:33.400even understand that they have been manipulated in order to buy into that system to always have
00:26:40.240that man standing beside them because if they don't they don't have access they consider
00:26:46.260themselves even if it's subconsciously just one down the totem pole terminology i just used but
00:26:53.140one down the the hierarchy yeah exactly then i say something ridiculously insensitive to
00:26:59.140indigenous people ridiculous sometimes i think what when we talk about like what can define a woman0.55
00:27:06.660i think what is easier to say out loud and to define is like what what a woman isn't so like1.00
00:27:14.740for example a woman is not a sex toy for men a woman is not a walking uh incubator for for men
00:27:26.980to control and legislate it's um a woman is not the primary caregiver of the children at home
00:27:36.500listen i'm still trying to wrap my head around why do we need the definition
00:27:41.700well that's the thing and that's again i'll go back to the fact that definitions make people
00:27:45.380feel more comfortable um and i also think definitions have power to them as well so when
00:27:50.740people um are undefined and have no definition in uh society it's a disservice to them because
00:27:58.580there's some they can't assign themselves to a space i think we can yes live in this this world of
00:28:06.740of um gray area but unfortunately we live in a society that is dictated by words and their
00:28:13.140definitions and their meaning and the power they hold for certain people so being undefined yes
00:28:19.460in the abstract works amazingly yes live outside of the of a literature a literary definition but
00:28:26.740if you start bringing that back into the framework of our society it doesn't work
00:28:31.380because people need definitions but it's so funny because you start bringing it back and then i go
00:28:36.660back to those little gender boxes that that i listed earlier of what masculine and feminine
00:28:41.700look like and i start to look around at the people in this world and guess you know what
00:28:45.460i don't care if you're laura laura bobert or if you're donald trump or if you're any of these1.00
00:28:49.860other idiots professing such vile hatred bigotry yeah you don't fit in that by them by yourself1.00
00:28:56.100either. Donald Trump's hands are as soft as a baby's butt. He hasn't done a hard day's labor1.00
00:29:03.420in his life. That man couldn't change attire. Laura Boebert had her little shooter cafe or
00:29:11.800whatever got off a restaurant that that drug dealer closed, which makes my heart sing.1.00
00:29:15.460um she had guns on the hips of all of her female identified um you know servers right so the more1.00
00:29:27.480that I look around I see a woman wearing pants what are you doing I see I see a guy being nice0.91
00:29:33.960to their kid and having an emotional bond are you crazy like everywhere nobody nobody if you believe0.97
00:29:41.760it a hundred percent if you're thinking joanna you're full of it i promise you right now you
00:29:47.840have traits that don't just fit in whatever either the feminine or the there's not a single person
00:29:54.000on this planet no exactly ourselves a hundred percent i think that you're hitting the nail on
00:30:00.960the head because like um my version of of how i would say that i am male presenting um
00:30:12.640and feel the way inside i think my experience is very different from another one my male
00:30:16.720presenting friends that i don't have the same one same as same as uh yours any other woman that you
00:30:21.440come in contact with or female um presenting but also um people are so quick to be like everyone
00:30:31.200has a say the same experience and we we ascribe that to uh transgender people as well as that
00:30:38.480their transitions are exactly the same that they follow a sort of pattern and that's comfortable
00:30:43.440for us because then we can we can feel if we're an ally how best to support them at this this stage
00:30:52.560of their transition how best to support them now how best to talk about it with them and really
00:30:58.000what we tend to forget about everyone's experience is that just because you have
00:31:05.840gone through something does not mean you're experiencing it at the same way this other
00:31:10.640person has so while you can empathize you don't know the track they're on or where they are in
00:31:17.360that process and really it's none of your business you can just simply be there and they choose to
00:31:22.240bring you into that and it's fine but i agree with you is that there's siblings that wouldn't
00:31:27.360even understand like think about that right there's siblings that can't even understand each
00:31:31.920the same house same condition same everything and all of a sudden you're two completely different
00:31:36.400people how on god's green earth did that happen right because all the socialization we do
00:31:42.800is wasteful i truly believe that it is wasteful and it is stunting of every single person's
00:31:54.880potential capacity everybody's every i don't care who you are every single person would be a better
00:32:02.540person today and by better person i don't mean rich i don't mean you know having more money i
00:32:08.840don't mean i mean you will be a better version a more true version of who you really wanted to be
00:32:16.320given your genetic makeup given your experience given your blood memory given all of those things
00:32:22.840if nobody got in your way and said here take this math class you're not supposed to take home ec
00:32:28.100here wear this you're not supposed to wear that here listen to this kind of music you shouldn't
00:32:32.880listen to that guys we would be people say well look at what it's done for us so far right that's
00:32:39.000what the that's what the petersons love to say well look at what men have built i'm like oh for
00:32:43.680christ's sake yeah okay but what do you think we could have done differently or built better
00:32:50.720have you not just allowed men to be that driving you know what i'm saying how do you know where we
00:32:58.160be well that's the interesting thing i i think i was watching um i was i was resort i was um
00:33:07.760i was actually watching a couple of of um indigenous uh queer creators talking about how
00:33:15.600the gender binary is a tool of uh oppression and it was a what was weaponized to justify
00:33:22.320colonization um basically and i think we all can say this uh was the europeans came over
00:33:30.800thought they were so much more civilized so much closer to god love that religion
00:33:36.160then uh the savage savages who savages in quotation marks um who embraced these like uh
00:33:44.800gender nuanced roles that um had a a wider uh definition for what these things meant
00:33:56.000and it made it more of a human existence and i think it's like um the colonizers
00:34:03.520marked the indigenous gender and sexual variance as inferior which i think is really really
00:34:09.840interesting um yeah but also everything pulls back to like we were saying everything is pulled back to
00:34:16.640white cisgendered heterosexual manhood and how everybody outside of that is then classified in
00:34:24.240the margins of society our society is built for a white cisgendered heterosexual man and everyone
00:34:31.040else around that is in representation or reaction to that and it's funny because i i think a lot
00:34:39.520about people who the you know those anthropologists those biological anthropologists who like to
00:34:44.320explain everything then i'm like and they'll they'll always go back to you know well in the
00:34:48.640caveman have you seen have you seen the bone structure of a woman from that you think she was
00:34:59.600delicate i just like i you have to love when people are like yeah but what about the cavemen
00:35:07.120and you're like what about them go look at them go ahead try to distinguish between the men and
00:35:12.480the women go ahead you can't you can't unless one's giving birth in that moment you can't0.87
00:35:21.200because i'm telling you right now they're all covered in hair0.99
00:35:23.920ginormous and they could snap you like a twig so you know it's just you know and i get to i'm
00:35:34.720gonna ask you another question now this question might be offensive okay but i'm gonna i'm gonna
00:35:40.640say it anyways because i i think about it often okay do you think so first let me preface this
00:35:47.680by talking about the difference between somebody who's transgendered there are people who are
00:35:52.160transgendered who literally will change, let's say their gender expression, but have no desire0.71
00:35:58.020to change themselves physically. They are not going to get any surgeries. They are not going0.99
00:36:02.740to take a hormone. So there's those kinds, just like you were saying, there's many types, right?
00:36:07.460And I'm only going to define three different types, even though there would be a multitude.
00:36:11.340Like the different experiences. Yeah. They would still consider themselves transgender. They might
00:36:15.100still want to be referred to, you know, in the other, with the other pronoun, yada, yada.
00:36:19.820then there's some people who might take hormones might get surgery or might got no surgery at all
00:36:26.940because they don't feel as though they need to do that to be complete and then there's other people
00:36:32.160who fully let's say fully transition and i probably hate the use of that word but they
00:36:36.440fully transition surgically so that anatomically now anatomically they match what societal's
00:36:44.020perception is of a woman or a man here's my question do you think is a doozy because this0.62
00:36:53.540one also applies to the gays oh fine do you well i think it's where it gets messy no i yeah do you
00:37:02.420think that if we never had the binary if we never forced the gender roles upon men and women
00:37:14.340we never had it how many people would have to identify a as trans because i think we you know
00:37:26.260or b don't feel the need to change their body because the binary doesn't exist and they don't
00:37:35.780feel the need to have to fit into a pre-existing oppressive binary structure i either have to
00:37:44.100present as a man to this society or as a woman because they're not accepting me any other way
00:37:49.780do you understand my question i do yeah um because if we blow up the association
00:37:58.260we're left with the parts right the body parts right and if we're not with the body parts
00:38:05.440but you're basically saying if we were to have no gender binary therefore no
00:38:12.560uh definition or word for man or woman would there be a need to transition at all yeah
00:38:22.200i mean i think it's no i don't have any idea how we ever figured that out i mean like
00:38:27.080if off the top of my head and i kind of like my first gut reaction is is no but i think that
00:38:34.280i think the term transition is something that we have said from transitioning from
00:38:40.980one to the other yep because it's still existing in that binary right but i think if you were to
00:38:47.240remove the binary then the existence in this kind of variation of personhood and like the um
00:38:55.060physicality of it I think there would still be for some people to want to resemble
00:39:02.660something that they don't have sure I don't know what you call it it's I find this but I find this
00:39:10.440question fascinating right because because I also think that it's pushed a lot because you separated
00:39:17.300sexuality back there for a second and you did a really good job of separating our physical
00:39:22.200attraction and our emotional attraction right and i think what socialization has done is really0.97
00:39:27.880up the emotional because what we've done think about it think about how stupid this is and every1.00
00:39:33.480time i say this i think of women are from mars men are from venus that dumb ass book that has1.00
00:39:38.440apparently stood the test of time i don't know how think about it if we socialize women to be a0.98
00:39:46.440give them the right toys and and the right ways of interacting and communicating and all those0.99
00:39:51.400things all those things we put upon little girls right and then we put upon things on little boys
00:39:56.200and we wonder why when these two people grow up and need to procreate they can barely stand in the1.00
00:40:05.480same house with the opposite sex because they can't they can't communicate they have no binding
00:40:15.240anything anymore because we've socialized it the hell out of them. So guys still need to have guys1.00
00:40:21.600nights. Not that you don't need to have friends. I'm not advocating don't have friends, but this
00:40:25.280notion of boys night and girls night is there because those kinds of socialization are more
00:40:31.900important to us and we feel more comfortable. It's why we talk to our girlfriends when we have
00:40:35.600issues. I think socialization of gender norms to perpetuate heterosexuality, in fact, is exactly
00:40:43.720what's bringing heterosexuality down i mean it's definitely something that is should be talked about
00:40:51.780more because the idea that there are are sexualized and and sort of gendered behaviors and practices
00:41:01.880and and ways of having fun and sort of socializing with friends is insane because like i it's insane
00:41:10.280it's insane to me i mean they're like they're it's something that i find that i always say
00:41:15.700to people as well is that like clothes have no gender if you want to wear a dress wear a dress
00:41:20.620if you want to wear shoes wear like a high heels for our heels um god bless go i mean exactly do
00:41:29.680it live it breathe it if you feel comfortable and good and come and and attractive in a piece
00:41:36.860clothing that maybe is not uh something that people have said is okay for the gender or your
00:41:43.820gender identity or expression um or the sex you were assigned at birth who the f cares at the
00:41:49.820end of the day your life is your own and if you you should try to live your life with as little
00:41:59.260regret as possible and something as as easy as clothing we've assigned so much to it so much like
00:42:06.300and it's it's become something that unfortunately for something that means very little in the in
00:42:13.580the scope of um the world we've made so important yeah well we make it and we make it incredibly
00:42:20.860important not only to genderize and to put you in boxes but we've made it important to give
00:42:26.380legitimacy to a person to give to give power to a person to give a semblance of authority to a
00:42:33.740person when we've talked about this right what am i wearing right now i'm wearing a hoodie and a toque
00:42:39.020why why me wearing this would make me a worse prime minister
00:42:45.820you wouldn't but the thing is i would never get elected yeah could you imagine if i rolled up i
00:42:51.180wore i got elected and i rolled up to go shake the hand of i don't know the president of burundi
00:42:58.460and uh they'd be like what is we have given so much weight to close not only do we discount
00:43:05.660people because of it obviously like time and time again no you're not this you're not that you're
00:43:10.780whatever here's the even scarier crap we've given respect we give them the benefit of the doubt
00:43:20.460we open doors we grant them access because what they know how to do a wins or not or their skirt0.97
00:43:28.960is the perfect length for a political figure as a woman what is wrong with us yeah and then we0.77
00:43:37.360have people all over the place advocating that this is what we should do because dressing a
00:43:41.660certain way makes us feel a certain way bullshit dressing a certain way makes us feel a certain
00:43:46.040way because we get responses in a certain way it has nothing to do with the skirt in and of itself
00:43:53.400it has to do with when i wear it how am i treated right there's no power in that outfit there's
00:44:00.920power in the the perception you get or the reaction you get and the interaction you get
00:44:07.240because of that outfit so you're so you're kind of saying that because i feel powerful just say
00:44:13.720i feel powerful in a pantsuit the feeling of power comes from the outward influences of me wearing
00:44:19.960that that outfit or an outfit similar to that so i've interesting and it comes in everybody would
00:44:25.640say no no no i just feel it and i and i'd say you can't step out of the socialization of the last
00:44:31.40040 years however old you you know i'm 47 i can't step out of that socialization and pretend as
00:44:37.160though i don't have a conscious or at the very least subconscious recognition of what this outfit
00:44:44.360and this aesthetic is going to get me when i walk into the world of course and everybody that says
00:44:50.760joe men and women are just different i'm like you know what nobody's ever we can't do this experiment
00:44:55.080but at the end of the day you you need to how could we ever know what is truly in somebody's nature
00:45:02.520because everybody's been brought up in a society i think going back to your your original question
00:45:12.760the gender expression versus the kind of presentation of like if there was no gender
00:45:17.440binary would there be a need to transition and i think that no it wouldn't be it wouldn't be
00:45:22.580classified as that but i think it's but then you can't really if you're using the term of like
00:45:28.120throw out society altogether then yeah no I still think I'm this is again this is like my very
00:45:37.720um I've been thinking about it as you've been talking and I think like if you were to use the
00:45:43.380same definition of how we talk with a gender unicorn but again like that's that's something
00:45:50.220that was created in a societal in a binary in a binary um to explain things outside the margins
00:45:58.260but it's like how i look and express myself if you see something and you want to emulate that
00:46:04.960okay so we're back at socialization then yeah but i i think it's it's something that
00:46:10.540if we were to move at all and there were just two people existing in the world undefined and there
00:46:18.060was something about that person that you could emulate again it's socialization but it's
00:46:24.320socialization that you are taking upon yourself so but isn't it like maybe maybe but again like
00:46:32.820you're sort of saying like because i think that human beings are always going to assign
00:46:37.240um i think they're always going to assign value in a certain look thing
00:46:44.420place because it creates a hierarchy to aspire aspiration so i think that
00:46:53.920while i want to say that it wouldn't exist altogether and there wouldn't be a need for
00:46:58.280anyone to have to transition or to define themselves i do think that as humanity as
00:47:05.080you've seen through the ages thrives off competition and emulation and i think that
00:47:10.920if people if people see something and they want to be that thing they're going to try to not
00:47:19.700recreate it but make it their own on their own body and of course there are definitely like
00:47:24.220definite um sure uh limitations at times to some of these things i'm wondering that if we had
00:47:35.720such incredible if if if boom we just snap our fingers no more no more gender binaries
00:47:42.360i'm wondering if the physicality a becomes less important and then b becomes much more diverse0.91
00:47:51.720in and of itself right so you could have women cis-born women all of a sudden wanting lots of1.00
00:47:59.760muscle. That's just the aesthetic they like. They just want muscle, right? And by virtue of that,1.00
00:48:05.540a lot of like female bodybuilders, stuff like that, they tend to lose all breast tissue. Like1.00
00:48:10.040they tend to not have it. That's their aesthetic. That's what they want. So maybe if we blow that
00:48:17.080up, we start, see, I don't, everybody talks about how many genders there are. See, I don't think0.94
00:48:21.960there are any. I think they're infinite. I think gender identity is infinite. Because if there's
00:48:30.2407 billion people on the planet, I'm saying right now there are 7 billion gender identities because0.98
00:48:35.680no person is the same. Simple. And I'm saying if we can blow that up, then maybe some people are0.99
00:48:44.580like, because now we're down to what? A couple of body parts? Is this what we're really talking
00:48:48.220about right we're down yeah we're down to a couple of body parts yeah because everything else
00:48:56.060you know muscle and and look we have a huge plastic surgery industry in this country and
00:49:03.100in the united states that allows people to build themselves up to be whatever version of a person
00:49:09.980they are nobody seems to be having a problem with that if you want to add breast tissue you're normal
00:49:17.100and healthy and amazing and now you look like a supermodel if you want to take breast tissue away
00:49:24.220you're a deviant and you need psychological help who as at the head of that line as long as you
00:49:32.060remove it all if you remove some you're like oh some's fine but it's like no you serve no purpose
00:49:40.220i would like to have no shirt i like that i like that aesthetic oh no now you got to see a
00:49:45.660psychiatrist for a year before we make that decision love well that's the most annoying
00:49:50.060part is the fact that um and like i get why it's like an it's an insurance and and uh protection
00:49:57.580for for uh medical uh practitioners but and then surgeons but to have like levels
00:50:06.940to make sure that if they were to help remove someone's breast tissue they can't be sued
00:50:12.300later on for negligence what i was going to say was it's insane to me that we subject when someone
00:50:20.920says this is who i am and this is how i want my body to look that we subject them to a year of
00:50:28.600therapy for someone else to to have to live like the others yeah yeah you have to for someone else
00:50:34.900to then validate your feeling in your own body yeah that's somewhat crazy to me if i wanted right
00:50:43.060now a calf implant sign me up here's the check for fifty thousand dollars or however much it
00:50:49.940pays i'm good to go yeah stewart you can get a heightening surgery wait till i describe this
00:50:58.740surgery where they break your calves they insert a two inch spacer and you lie in traction for six
00:51:09.860weeks yeah two inches yeah we don't think that requires a little bit of psychiatric
00:51:17.940what are you doing outside of the cost think of the danger1.00
00:51:23.380yeah because we have many women who have died on the table getting facelifts0.97
00:51:28.740They know the risk, right? Because they're older. They don't care. I'm not saying we should be giving them psychiatric treatment. I am saying there's a lot of people, you know, billions of an industry wanting to change their body all the way.1.00
00:51:48.620And what I have a huge problem with is if society agrees with it, we pat them on the back, we call them hot, and we put them on the cover of a movie magazine.
00:51:58.800And if we disagree with it, we call them sick and demented and broken and whatever other horrific euphemism or, you know, whatever else we can apply to those guys directly.
00:52:15.320We need to start being honest about that.
00:52:18.620Right. Because of the base. And then the more I think about it, the more that I see how fundamentally at the basis of a lot of it is this is this notion.
00:52:32.520because i've never had an i don't like functionalist i don't like people who say
00:52:37.600well you know there's pink jobs and blue jobs girls do this guys do this why because society
00:52:42.820works better i've never bought into that but here's the problem that's not just how what we've
00:52:46.980done what we've done is said they're pink jobs and blue jobs but the blue jobs are so much more
00:52:50.980important those are the really important jobs right yeah and then we've even adjusted it
00:52:58.300because i started really listening to like let's talk about men's testosterone and aggression
00:53:03.460levels right let's really talk about that for a second if that's true if this hormone is the
00:53:09.320defining feature of a man right and it's so irregulated and by the way you guys get
00:53:14.720fluctuations of it left right and center and you never know when it's if that's true and you're so
00:53:19.740violent why the hell are we letting you run political systems that's the question what's
00:53:27.440the question because that's usually what's thrown back at um shouldn't you just be digging ditches
00:53:31.920somewhere with all that hyped up energy we should be out there punching trees yeah you punch trees1.00
00:53:38.640but the women should tell you where and when to punch because you guys don't have any control of
00:53:43.200that right everybody talks about women and estrogen but guys you guys have i didn't know0.98
00:53:48.800this until very recently these spikes of testosterone and depending on the guy you
00:53:53.840You can have huge gradiences between, you know, rationality and not so much.