Unlearn16: Class is in Session - July 19, 2022


The One Where Colour Outside the Lines, Then Shred The Picture

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00:00:00.000 class is in session welcome to unlearn 16 classes in session guys i've done it again
00:00:08.720 like should i say oops i've done it again i feel a britney moment you did it again
00:00:13.720 i got stew back i got stew back but today we're not going to talk about britney although i guess
00:00:22.040 we could we could invert talk about britney today stew and i are going to talk a little seriously
00:00:28.200 you know maybe a little angrily maybe a little i don't know in a frustrated tenor
00:00:35.360 speak about what's going on both in the united states and in canada when it comes to
00:00:42.120 the gender debate gender socialization and the the switch in focus seemingly
00:00:50.680 especially in u.s politics and we're starting to hear rumblings up here
00:00:55.180 targeting really targeting trans people trans rights trans athletes that's where it all started
00:01:04.220 really um it's you know in in a moment and and trans teens and what all of it means and and how
00:01:14.240 we sort of see it and shape it and sort of conceive of it what do you think stew i think it's
00:01:20.160 be an interesting conversation um i think it's something that we can definitely talk about as
00:01:26.300 allies um and really um touch on some of the topics that i think are affecting not only our
00:01:35.120 societal world but also the political like structures around us and how they're being
00:01:40.240 targeted especially um i will say mostly as of right now i would say that most publicly is in
00:01:47.220 states um but you're getting oh yeah in canada more in the news you see them sort of picking up
00:01:56.020 on pieces of it changing the education system in provincial offices um pierre poliev talk he's
00:02:04.340 definitely talking about it in his roundabout way which makes me even more nervous um i think
00:02:12.260 sorry go ahead sorry go ahead no you go ahead first before we get into it i want everybody
00:02:17.220 who is listening or watching to understand that i do not identify as a trans person
00:02:26.420 i'm saying something serious and stew how to are you can you lift that are you okay i'm sorry
00:02:32.740 my emotional support water bottle the size of if i knew what a carburetor was or how big it was
00:02:38.740 it's ginormous it's my emotional support water bottle it's a gallon of water
00:02:44.820 um i heard from someone that makes you look younger when you drink a lot of water
00:02:51.540 there's also something called liquid toxicity you should look into that
00:02:55.060 i i can't because then i'll think i'm dying why do you want me to die
00:03:00.420 i just want you to inform so um i also do not identify as a trans person either i identify as
00:03:07.460 a cisgendered white gay male there we go the links and i identify as a cis there's a lot we
00:03:16.020 when you identify i mean we're getting a bigger and bigger list right i identify cis gendered
00:03:23.220 white female lesbian um but it's funny so let's let's start at the beginning because what i want
00:03:31.540 to make this conversation really accessible to obviously the people that are allies and that
00:03:36.100 are educated or that are trans or that have uh you know studied this kind of stuff in school
00:03:40.980 it's easy they get it that's not the people i want to reach out to and i want to reach out to them
00:03:46.100 with no uh no animosity no no anger no anything i just want to create a conversation where the
00:03:54.340 average person who isn't living in this world who doesn't have access who doesn't have these people
00:04:00.100 you know in their space so they can understand what we're talking about why we're talking about
00:04:06.820 it and how dangerous all the other sort of conversations are happening so let's start at
00:04:12.900 the basics can you define for our listeners the difference between sex and gender we're gonna start
00:04:18.500 right there i think this is a really interesting thing because you can look at the gender unicorn
00:04:24.420 um do you know the unicorn do you ever talk to your students with gender unicorn
00:04:29.820 ah so gender unicorn um so gender identity is basically how you how you present so it's a
00:04:36.780 female male uh female women girl male man boy and other genders are there as well so your gender
00:04:42.900 identity gender expression is how you um are expressing your your uh gender out into the
00:04:52.920 world. So whether it's feminine clothes, masculine clothes, or others. So you feminine, masculine
00:04:57.740 presenting. And then the sex assigned at birth is female, male, and intersex or other. And then 0.83
00:05:04.180 your sexuality is who you're attracted to and you're emotionally attracted to. It's like who
00:05:10.740 you're emotionally attracted to as well. And I think this is a really, really interesting
00:05:14.860 um way of talking about it because it allows people to kind of be able to
00:05:21.740 to kind of talk through the different levels and it puts it in a really really interesting and
00:05:27.840 easy to understand way for not only um kids and teenagers but also the parents who kind of go
00:05:34.420 home with them because i think that with such a very very um convoluted very multi-layered
00:05:43.960 conversation um that definitely has a lot of nuance in it um and that's important i'm going
00:05:50.920 to let you continue to explain it second but i want everybody to understand that very few issues
00:05:57.560 if any are are ever ever ever straightforward or ever easily answered especially easy easily
00:06:04.920 articulated they they involve conversation and debate and nuance and my problem with the right
00:06:11.640 is a lot of the times when you simplify something it makes it sound really nice on twitter sound
00:06:17.400 really nice on a banner but what you've done is you've totally blown up any actual conversation
00:06:24.120 about the issue at hand and that's what probably makes me the most infuriated right and we get this
00:06:29.720 whole thing with well define a woman and they're trying to get you in a got you moment so then they
00:06:35.880 can just carry on with their day not actually talk about what that means so okay so we got sex
00:06:41.960 how you were born let's say your parts let's um okay so let's just i i'm gonna actually do a place
00:06:47.800 to do this at work a lot uh my other job i used to do a lot of this so gender identity is how i
00:06:53.320 identify so it's one's internal sense of being male female neither of the of these both or any
00:06:59.400 other genders for um for transgender people it's their own internal sense of gender identity and
00:07:05.240 their sex assigned at birth are not the same so they're like internal sense of what their gender
00:07:11.000 may be um whether it's in the binary outside of the binary that's not the one that was assigned
00:07:16.040 to it's not doesn't relate to how they're assigned at birth gender expression or presentation is how
00:07:22.760 i look and how i express myself so the physical manifestation of one's gender identity through
00:07:29.480 clothing hairstyle uh voice body shape um etc so most transgender people and again this is a
00:07:36.120 sweeping statement that we kind of make in this this training uh seek to make their gender
00:07:41.320 expression um match their gender identity so how they outwardly look to people and how they feel
00:07:49.080 inside um rather than the sex they were assigned at birth and the sex assigned at birth is a sex
00:07:54.760 classification that i was assigned at birth the assignment and classification of people as male
00:08:00.440 female intersex and any other sex based on a combination of anatomy hormones chromosomes
00:08:09.480 um this is usually decided at birth or in utero um and is usually based on your genitalia and then
00:08:16.680 it's like sexually attracted to so whom i am sexually attracted to and that's a group of people
00:08:21.560 or genders to which a person can become sexually attracted to and i think this is where we then we
00:08:26.200 have them romantically and emotionally attracted to so who i am romantically or emotionally
00:08:30.360 attracted to so for me as a gay man i'm sexually attracted to men but also emotionally and
00:08:34.840 romantically attracted to men as well um and the my gender identity and my gender expression are
00:08:41.800 the same because it's how i feel most comfortable but i think this is where most people um
00:08:48.440 um, tend to get them confused. They think the gender relates to the sex of your, who you're
00:08:55.980 sexually attracted to. Um, and again, like other genders, I want to just make sure we, um, are
00:09:02.860 other genders that have kind of been added to this, this, this gender marker, um, could be
00:09:08.060 agender, bigender, gender fluid, genderqueer, transgender, non-binary, gender non-conforming,
00:09:14.680 and two-spirit which is is for our indigenous and native folk that's a lot I know and this
00:09:22.200 is the thing I'm in the community right Stu I'm in the community I've had the I've gone to the
00:09:27.300 classes I teach it and I listen to that and I go that that's a lot and I think here's what
00:09:35.800 where this is where we run into it I think people hear that even if they get to this point and go
00:09:41.160 about that's too much right yes and not purposely not because they're bad people
00:09:46.760 but because that's a lot of conceptualization of an individual's identity that most people never
00:09:54.880 ever ever challenge right so i think to a lot of people it just sounds overwhelming can i boil it
00:10:01.640 down just how i see it real quick and then we can go from that so yeah sex listen we're not going
00:10:08.860 to talk there from what i understand there are eight identifiable scientific chromosomal differences
00:10:14.760 that can indicate different sexes at birth we're we're not going to go through all of that i am
00:10:20.860 not a biologist i would just like to put it on the table so we all understand and accept the reality
00:10:25.900 they exist and i think the more we can say things like that simplistically there are not only two
00:10:33.840 sexes the other six exist i don't care what percentage i don't care i don't care how many
00:10:41.500 have you ever met somebody i don't care i don't care about all of that what i care about is having
00:10:46.200 an acceptance level on from the onset that sex isn't even binary it just isn't right naturally
00:10:57.960 in nature it is not even by so but well the word sex alone is so vague it's it's just it's
00:11:07.260 it's a word it's often the word defined and and how it looks um in terms of transphobia so people
00:11:15.420 are invalidating the experiences of those who are are arguing against such a vague vaguely defined
00:11:22.500 word. Right. Well, it's so funny because I get those people, what is a woman? And I'm like,
00:11:27.820 I don't know, what's your definition? I think that's a hard definition. What's yours? And
00:11:31.900 they always come back with whatever they looked up in the Oxford Dictionary, which says a fully
00:11:36.960 adult female. I'm like, you didn't define anything. You pencil. Like you did nothing.
00:11:43.980 It also usually has to do with the reproduction of the species. So usually people assign women 1.00
00:11:51.620 as someone who can get pregnant and there are many cisgendered women who can't get pregnant
00:11:56.440 so many so many who can't who don't want to who refuse i mean so many right okay so let's for the
00:12:05.480 sake of argument for the sake of like narrowing the scope a little bit because otherwise we're
00:12:10.880 gonna need a biologist let's go with the sex binary for a minute let's just deal in that part
00:12:16.940 of the reality. And again, I say that part of the reality. So when somebody is born, statistically
00:12:22.660 speaking, a majority of us are born male or female with parts that are assigned that, you know, that
00:12:28.280 go with both. Now, that's how we were born. Our gender, and some people say gender and sex are
00:12:35.500 the same. I'm like, what's the point of the two words then? Stop it. Our gender is exactly what
00:12:41.340 said the way that i perceive it is our gender is um how do we express ourselves absolutely
00:12:50.220 but the expectation of gender and here's where we get into problems when you're born a man or
00:12:56.780 you're born a boy here are a list of the masculine gender qualities you're supposed to attribute
00:13:03.180 or you're supposed to have you're born a girl here are the list of the feminine you're supposed to
00:13:08.540 have. So let's give a bit of that list. Just, you know, let's just throw it out there. 0.90
00:13:14.620 Give me some masculine identifiers.
00:13:19.500 Some masculine identifiers that are traditional are beards.
00:13:22.140 Yeah. Traditionally. Sorry.
00:13:23.260 Bearded, bearded, bearded, strong, facial hair. Yep.
00:13:26.940 Strong, strong, chiseled, chiseled, short hair, short hair, handsome, handsome.
00:13:36.780 and usually we use the word toward a woman a handsome woman it's said in the pejorative way
00:13:42.060 yes it's interesting how we we kind of use them to the woman yeah no yeah um uh so so those are
00:13:49.980 some physical attributes you know men wear pants men wear suits here are some clothing options for
00:13:57.020 men right there are some certain masculine jobs we would attribute to men you know uh soldiers
00:14:04.140 and and construction and all of those heavy lifting jobs yada yada yada now there's also
00:14:11.820 some emotional or intellectual uh masculine more masculine categorization what would what would you
00:14:20.860 put in that list repeat the question like you just described being masculine as all uh physicality 0.89
00:14:30.220 but what about the emotional or mental aspects of you know what's yeah cold uh arrogant arrogant
00:14:39.500 um not emotional rational very rational is one of them um adventurous competitive competitive um
00:14:51.980 obnoxious there it is there's some of the masculine drivers right right some of the
00:14:59.020 feminine drivers i'd include like you know for for aesthetics you know you have long hair they're
00:15:05.100 slight they're thin they're delicate they you know are nurturing they're emotional they're cooperative
00:15:11.980 they're loving caretakers right some of the jobs that go along with women again associate directly
00:15:17.980 with the qualities we've already attributed to them that's why they're the nurses and the hygienists
00:15:22.700 and the the teachers especially elementary school teachers um mothers obviously so what we've done
00:15:31.660 what society has done right created two sets of two lists both physical and sort of emotional
00:15:38.620 that will apply to a baby as soon as it comes out quite literally yeah literally right and studies
00:15:48.300 have shown that as soon as a child is out of its mother we ask if it's a boy or a girl and then
00:15:58.140 everything about the way that we interact with them changes yes right what we how we dress them
00:16:07.420 how we speak to them how we hold them girls we talk to quieter softer we tell them they're
00:16:15.500 beautiful. We say they're going to break a lot of hearts. Boys, we hold out further. We jostle
00:16:20.820 them around a little bit. We tell them, you know, they're going to be a great linebacker,
00:16:25.120 whatever we're going to put on them. And so from the binary of sex, we've created a binary,
00:16:36.720 an almost instantaneous binary of gender characteristics that go with the sex. I have
00:16:44.320 question for you yes any of that based in reality because you're going to have the jordan petersons
00:16:50.240 haven't helped me of this world because they're so goddamn loud talk about how that's evolutionary
00:16:57.520 about how there's found and we're not going to be able to get into i mean i'm not going to be able
00:17:02.320 to get into like all sorts of different things when it comes to brain chemistry and what part
00:17:07.760 of your hippocampus is bigger i i'm not going to do that i can't do that but a lot of these people
00:17:12.800 would say listen there's some biological realities that you can't just ignore like joanne that you
00:17:20.560 you can't ignore and let's bring a couple up because i you know i want to shut them down before
00:17:25.600 they even start you know talking i should say one thing i i think that we also have to take into
00:17:30.480 account this exactly what you're saying is that um is that those these words that we're talking
00:17:38.240 about these words that we have um assigned to to people i think like for centuries society has has
00:17:47.440 sort of centered some people um in the in the like self-centered them and others they have kind of
00:17:54.720 like ascribed to the margins of society and i think that for a long time these monikers these
00:18:02.080 these kind of like gendered phrases and words have not been looked at. And I think that when
00:18:10.080 people like Jordan Peterson or people like Lauren Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene
00:18:17.520 asked what defines a woman, how would you define a woman? I think that we can say
00:18:23.440 the definition of a woman and definition of a man and definition of all these different things
00:18:28.720 are under review like a cisgender woman is a type of woman a trans woman is a type of woman
00:18:37.440 a black woman is a type of woman because the definitions of all of these different kind of
00:18:42.640 spaces may have intersection but they're all vastly different definitions of what those are
00:18:50.160 and i think that's something that that's a great i like that answer thank you i really like it's
00:18:56.800 under review under review it's under review we're gonna have to take a minute our team's gonna need
00:19:02.160 to take a minute yeah um what i also like about that is that you know we pretend as though
00:19:11.360 definitions are naturally constructed oh right we pretend like we didn't make up words in the first
00:19:18.560 place exactly the meaning somehow it exists outside of our definitions right i find that
00:19:25.920 interesting i also find this is this is the one question i always ask people when they do bring
00:19:30.720 this to me and they'll say are you a guy or a girl because that's the same question right what
00:19:35.280 is a woman are you a guy or a girl i mean it's the same and my question is always this why
00:19:41.920 why is the definition so important because your your purpose of a definition
00:19:46.960 is to marginalize and exclude that's why you want to define this you're not looking to define this
00:19:52.480 i can't stew can you think of a functional purpose other than what bathroom we're going to use and
00:19:58.080 heaven forbid this be our biggest issue in the 20 you know 2022 but i can't think of a need 1.00
00:20:06.160 for a sociological definition of a woman to serve what purpose well this is the thing it doesn't 1.00
00:20:14.560 serve a purpose it but it gives people the comfort in knowing where they can place you 0.98
00:20:18.480 there it is and it's there is exactly the thing it's a comfortable space to be in because people
00:20:25.520 like labels and if they can't label something and someone someone cannot like ascribe a definition
00:20:33.600 to a label to feel more comfortable and to put you in a place it's uncomfortable it's an
00:20:38.960 uncomfortable space to be in and i always i always say especially when i'm doing some of these these
00:20:44.560 trainings it's okay to be feel like a discomfort because people when people feel discomfort
00:20:52.560 things change things move on yeah you have uh progress in society you have
00:21:00.560 new things created new institutions created to make sure that um that discomfort is recognized
00:21:06.800 torn down a pieced apart and really figured out as to why that makes you uncomfortable is it
00:21:13.280 something that goes against how you were raised how you believe what the definitions are and how
00:21:19.040 does it impact your life so like we use uh gay marriage for just completely outside of this whole
00:21:27.440 kind of conversation we're talking about because something people can assign to um
00:21:32.880 for a long time people were like no marriage isn't really it's an important word that word
00:21:36.320 means something therefore it couldn't possibly mean something outside of a marriage between one
00:21:41.920 man and one woman. But because of that push, because of those conversations, because of that
00:21:49.020 work on the back end from queer and the LGBTQIA community to face those conversations and those 0.65
00:21:57.180 issues head on and to push people into a space where they had to really reflect on what that
00:22:05.240 word means which at the end of the day is a union between two people um seen by the government and
00:22:12.460 like really it's a legal term and like yes there's some religious connotations to it as well but
00:22:17.580 at the end of the day it's a it's a legal word you check off that box are you married or single
00:22:24.240 every government and every every form i've ever filled out says are you married they don't say
00:22:29.100 was it a civil union right no no no the state recognizes marriage that's the word they use
00:22:35.820 too so it's it can be religious but it's also very much legal absolutely it comes with with
00:22:41.900 benefits on the back end of it spousal benefits it comes with being able to visit your spouse
00:22:48.540 in the hospital it comes with um a variety of different things when it comes to housing and
00:22:53.740 family planning and security over having uh children making sure they are they're there
00:22:59.820 so it's there and that's really something where people were like oh okay and it was a long time
00:23:05.340 fight but once we have this ability now and it's the same word because people for the longest time
00:23:11.820 was like well why can't you be happy with civil union right because it's not the same
00:23:17.580 it's why does it have to be different why do i have to be civilly union
00:23:21.660 to somebody it needs to be different because it always was exactly right and you tapped into
00:23:29.180 something really really important and this is true for everybody and i want everybody again
00:23:34.540 who is listening or watching to understand that and i'll let stew you know speak for themselves but
00:23:43.020 this is it's not like i'm comfortable with everything
00:23:45.180 it's not like i never go oh that was a change i wasn't ready for or that's a mistake that i made
00:23:53.800 or i can't really wrap my head around this or you know and so to understand that we all
00:24:01.100 balk at when our founding traditions are are rocked we feel unsteady in our in our most
00:24:09.380 significant foundational level of socialization is our gender. And I think that transfers and
00:24:19.900 transcends religions and races and countries and cultures. It is the fundamental basic
00:24:29.360 building block, how we thought we're going to build a functionalist society. And I also don't
00:24:36.400 think somebody's sitting at home going, how do we screw over women? I don't, I don't necessarily 1.00
00:24:41.360 think that, I think that's how it progressed, but I, but I also feel as though it's our foundational
00:24:47.380 tradition and our foundational tradition, when we start shaking that people get uncomfortable.
00:24:54.920 You know what, actually, um, Anne Hathaway actually is a really good quote, exactly what
00:25:00.500 saying um i have it pulled up here so i was looking for this one thing and this is it uh she 0.71
00:25:08.340 says i think one of the reasons why the idea of being transgender being non-binary is so threatening
00:25:14.180 so upsetting to a lot of conservatives especially conservative evangelicals is because so much of
00:25:20.100 their worldview is based on capitalistic patriarchy and coding men and women by hair clothes shoes
00:25:26.500 voice, makeup is an easy way for them to distinguish between competition and consumables.
00:25:33.620 It's perfect. That's a perfect definition. I was just saying this the other day. I don't remember
00:25:38.500 what my, because we were talking very much, I was talking about, you know, sexism. And then I read
00:25:45.900 something that said 55% of white women voted for Trump. And I was reading all like, why would they
00:25:52.500 do that? And what's that mentality? And you start to understand that part of the broken system we
00:26:00.380 live in has trained some people, specifically a lot of white, cisgendered, straight women,
00:26:07.640 that this is the best they've got. And the protection that they're going to garner, 0.96
00:26:12.820 sure, they might be able to do it themselves, but you know who's going to do it for them?
00:26:16.520 Their men, whether it's their dad, their brother, their husband, their boyfriend,
00:26:21.420 it doesn't matter but the men in my life are there for that and they almost say it with pride right
00:26:28.080 they say it with pride and they say it with but that's just the balance of it all and they don't
00:26:33.400 even understand that they have been manipulated in order to buy into that system to always have
00:26:40.240 that man standing beside them because if they don't they don't have access they consider
00:26:46.260 themselves even if it's subconsciously just one down the totem pole terminology i just used but
00:26:53.140 one down the the hierarchy yeah exactly then i say something ridiculously insensitive to
00:26:59.140 indigenous people ridiculous sometimes i think what when we talk about like what can define a woman 0.55
00:27:06.660 i think what is easier to say out loud and to define is like what what a woman isn't so like 1.00
00:27:14.740 for example a woman is not a sex toy for men a woman is not a walking uh incubator for for men
00:27:26.980 to control and legislate it's um a woman is not the primary caregiver of the children at home
00:27:36.500 listen i'm still trying to wrap my head around why do we need the definition
00:27:41.700 well that's the thing and that's again i'll go back to the fact that definitions make people
00:27:45.380 feel more comfortable um and i also think definitions have power to them as well so when
00:27:50.740 people um are undefined and have no definition in uh society it's a disservice to them because
00:27:58.580 there's some they can't assign themselves to a space i think we can yes live in this this world of
00:28:06.740 of um gray area but unfortunately we live in a society that is dictated by words and their
00:28:13.140 definitions and their meaning and the power they hold for certain people so being undefined yes
00:28:19.460 in the abstract works amazingly yes live outside of the of a literature a literary definition but
00:28:26.740 if you start bringing that back into the framework of our society it doesn't work
00:28:31.380 because people need definitions but it's so funny because you start bringing it back and then i go
00:28:36.660 back to those little gender boxes that that i listed earlier of what masculine and feminine
00:28:41.700 look like and i start to look around at the people in this world and guess you know what
00:28:45.460 i don't care if you're laura laura bobert or if you're donald trump or if you're any of these 1.00
00:28:49.860 other idiots professing such vile hatred bigotry yeah you don't fit in that by them by yourself 1.00
00:28:56.100 either. Donald Trump's hands are as soft as a baby's butt. He hasn't done a hard day's labor 1.00
00:29:03.420 in his life. That man couldn't change attire. Laura Boebert had her little shooter cafe or
00:29:11.800 whatever got off a restaurant that that drug dealer closed, which makes my heart sing. 1.00
00:29:15.460 um she had guns on the hips of all of her female identified um you know servers right so the more 1.00
00:29:27.480 that I look around I see a woman wearing pants what are you doing I see I see a guy being nice 0.91
00:29:33.960 to their kid and having an emotional bond are you crazy like everywhere nobody nobody if you believe 0.97
00:29:41.760 it a hundred percent if you're thinking joanna you're full of it i promise you right now you
00:29:47.840 have traits that don't just fit in whatever either the feminine or the there's not a single person
00:29:54.000 on this planet no exactly ourselves a hundred percent i think that you're hitting the nail on
00:30:00.960 the head because like um my version of of how i would say that i am male presenting um
00:30:12.640 and feel the way inside i think my experience is very different from another one my male
00:30:16.720 presenting friends that i don't have the same one same as same as uh yours any other woman that you
00:30:21.440 come in contact with or female um presenting but also um people are so quick to be like everyone
00:30:31.200 has a say the same experience and we we ascribe that to uh transgender people as well as that
00:30:38.480 their transitions are exactly the same that they follow a sort of pattern and that's comfortable
00:30:43.440 for us because then we can we can feel if we're an ally how best to support them at this this stage
00:30:52.560 of their transition how best to support them now how best to talk about it with them and really
00:30:58.000 what we tend to forget about everyone's experience is that just because you have
00:31:05.840 gone through something does not mean you're experiencing it at the same way this other
00:31:10.640 person has so while you can empathize you don't know the track they're on or where they are in
00:31:17.360 that process and really it's none of your business you can just simply be there and they choose to
00:31:22.240 bring you into that and it's fine but i agree with you is that there's siblings that wouldn't
00:31:27.360 even understand like think about that right there's siblings that can't even understand each
00:31:31.920 the same house same condition same everything and all of a sudden you're two completely different
00:31:36.400 people how on god's green earth did that happen right because all the socialization we do
00:31:42.800 is wasteful i truly believe that it is wasteful and it is stunting of every single person's
00:31:54.880 potential capacity everybody's every i don't care who you are every single person would be a better
00:32:02.540 person today and by better person i don't mean rich i don't mean you know having more money i
00:32:08.840 don't mean i mean you will be a better version a more true version of who you really wanted to be
00:32:16.320 given your genetic makeup given your experience given your blood memory given all of those things
00:32:22.840 if nobody got in your way and said here take this math class you're not supposed to take home ec
00:32:28.100 here wear this you're not supposed to wear that here listen to this kind of music you shouldn't
00:32:32.880 listen to that guys we would be people say well look at what it's done for us so far right that's
00:32:39.000 what the that's what the petersons love to say well look at what men have built i'm like oh for
00:32:43.680 christ's sake yeah okay but what do you think we could have done differently or built better
00:32:50.720 have you not just allowed men to be that driving you know what i'm saying how do you know where we
00:32:58.160 be well that's the interesting thing i i think i was watching um i was i was resort i was um
00:33:07.760 i was actually watching a couple of of um indigenous uh queer creators talking about how
00:33:15.600 the gender binary is a tool of uh oppression and it was a what was weaponized to justify
00:33:22.320 colonization um basically and i think we all can say this uh was the europeans came over
00:33:30.800 thought they were so much more civilized so much closer to god love that religion
00:33:36.160 then uh the savage savages who savages in quotation marks um who embraced these like uh
00:33:44.800 gender nuanced roles that um had a a wider uh definition for what these things meant
00:33:56.000 and it made it more of a human existence and i think it's like um the colonizers
00:34:03.520 marked the indigenous gender and sexual variance as inferior which i think is really really
00:34:09.840 interesting um yeah but also everything pulls back to like we were saying everything is pulled back to
00:34:16.640 white cisgendered heterosexual manhood and how everybody outside of that is then classified in
00:34:24.240 the margins of society our society is built for a white cisgendered heterosexual man and everyone
00:34:31.040 else around that is in representation or reaction to that and it's funny because i i think a lot
00:34:39.520 about people who the you know those anthropologists those biological anthropologists who like to
00:34:44.320 explain everything then i'm like and they'll they'll always go back to you know well in the
00:34:48.640 caveman have you seen have you seen the bone structure of a woman from that you think she was
00:34:59.600 delicate i just like i you have to love when people are like yeah but what about the cavemen
00:35:07.120 and you're like what about them go look at them go ahead try to distinguish between the men and
00:35:12.480 the women go ahead you can't you can't unless one's giving birth in that moment you can't 0.87
00:35:21.200 because i'm telling you right now they're all covered in hair 0.99
00:35:23.920 ginormous and they could snap you like a twig so you know it's just you know and i get to i'm
00:35:34.720 gonna ask you another question now this question might be offensive okay but i'm gonna i'm gonna
00:35:40.640 say it anyways because i i think about it often okay do you think so first let me preface this
00:35:47.680 by talking about the difference between somebody who's transgendered there are people who are
00:35:52.160 transgendered who literally will change, let's say their gender expression, but have no desire 0.71
00:35:58.020 to change themselves physically. They are not going to get any surgeries. They are not going 0.99
00:36:02.740 to take a hormone. So there's those kinds, just like you were saying, there's many types, right?
00:36:07.460 And I'm only going to define three different types, even though there would be a multitude.
00:36:11.340 Like the different experiences. Yeah. They would still consider themselves transgender. They might
00:36:15.100 still want to be referred to, you know, in the other, with the other pronoun, yada, yada.
00:36:19.820 then there's some people who might take hormones might get surgery or might got no surgery at all
00:36:26.940 because they don't feel as though they need to do that to be complete and then there's other people
00:36:32.160 who fully let's say fully transition and i probably hate the use of that word but they
00:36:36.440 fully transition surgically so that anatomically now anatomically they match what societal's
00:36:44.020 perception is of a woman or a man here's my question do you think is a doozy because this 0.62
00:36:53.540 one also applies to the gays oh fine do you well i think it's where it gets messy no i yeah do you
00:37:02.420 think that if we never had the binary if we never forced the gender roles upon men and women
00:37:14.340 we never had it how many people would have to identify a as trans because i think we you know
00:37:26.260 or b don't feel the need to change their body because the binary doesn't exist and they don't
00:37:35.780 feel the need to have to fit into a pre-existing oppressive binary structure i either have to
00:37:44.100 present as a man to this society or as a woman because they're not accepting me any other way
00:37:49.780 do you understand my question i do yeah um because if we blow up the association
00:37:58.260 we're left with the parts right the body parts right and if we're not with the body parts
00:38:05.440 but you're basically saying if we were to have no gender binary therefore no
00:38:12.560 uh definition or word for man or woman would there be a need to transition at all yeah
00:38:22.200 i mean i think it's no i don't have any idea how we ever figured that out i mean like
00:38:27.080 if off the top of my head and i kind of like my first gut reaction is is no but i think that
00:38:34.280 i think the term transition is something that we have said from transitioning from
00:38:40.980 one to the other yep because it's still existing in that binary right but i think if you were to
00:38:47.240 remove the binary then the existence in this kind of variation of personhood and like the um
00:38:55.060 physicality of it I think there would still be for some people to want to resemble
00:39:02.660 something that they don't have sure I don't know what you call it it's I find this but I find this
00:39:10.440 question fascinating right because because I also think that it's pushed a lot because you separated
00:39:17.300 sexuality back there for a second and you did a really good job of separating our physical
00:39:22.200 attraction and our emotional attraction right and i think what socialization has done is really 0.97
00:39:27.880 up the emotional because what we've done think about it think about how stupid this is and every 1.00
00:39:33.480 time i say this i think of women are from mars men are from venus that dumb ass book that has 1.00
00:39:38.440 apparently stood the test of time i don't know how think about it if we socialize women to be a 0.98
00:39:46.440 give them the right toys and and the right ways of interacting and communicating and all those 0.99
00:39:51.400 things all those things we put upon little girls right and then we put upon things on little boys
00:39:56.200 and we wonder why when these two people grow up and need to procreate they can barely stand in the 1.00
00:40:05.480 same house with the opposite sex because they can't they can't communicate they have no binding
00:40:15.240 anything anymore because we've socialized it the hell out of them. So guys still need to have guys 1.00
00:40:21.600 nights. Not that you don't need to have friends. I'm not advocating don't have friends, but this
00:40:25.280 notion of boys night and girls night is there because those kinds of socialization are more
00:40:31.900 important to us and we feel more comfortable. It's why we talk to our girlfriends when we have
00:40:35.600 issues. I think socialization of gender norms to perpetuate heterosexuality, in fact, is exactly
00:40:43.720 what's bringing heterosexuality down i mean it's definitely something that is should be talked about
00:40:51.780 more because the idea that there are are sexualized and and sort of gendered behaviors and practices
00:41:01.880 and and ways of having fun and sort of socializing with friends is insane because like i it's insane
00:41:10.280 it's insane to me i mean they're like they're it's something that i find that i always say
00:41:15.700 to people as well is that like clothes have no gender if you want to wear a dress wear a dress
00:41:20.620 if you want to wear shoes wear like a high heels for our heels um god bless go i mean exactly do
00:41:29.680 it live it breathe it if you feel comfortable and good and come and and attractive in a piece
00:41:36.860 clothing that maybe is not uh something that people have said is okay for the gender or your
00:41:43.820 gender identity or expression um or the sex you were assigned at birth who the f cares at the
00:41:49.820 end of the day your life is your own and if you you should try to live your life with as little
00:41:59.260 regret as possible and something as as easy as clothing we've assigned so much to it so much like
00:42:06.300 and it's it's become something that unfortunately for something that means very little in the in
00:42:13.580 the scope of um the world we've made so important yeah well we make it and we make it incredibly
00:42:20.860 important not only to genderize and to put you in boxes but we've made it important to give
00:42:26.380 legitimacy to a person to give to give power to a person to give a semblance of authority to a
00:42:33.740 person when we've talked about this right what am i wearing right now i'm wearing a hoodie and a toque
00:42:39.020 why why me wearing this would make me a worse prime minister
00:42:45.820 you wouldn't but the thing is i would never get elected yeah could you imagine if i rolled up i
00:42:51.180 wore i got elected and i rolled up to go shake the hand of i don't know the president of burundi
00:42:58.460 and uh they'd be like what is we have given so much weight to close not only do we discount
00:43:05.660 people because of it obviously like time and time again no you're not this you're not that you're
00:43:10.780 whatever here's the even scarier crap we've given respect we give them the benefit of the doubt
00:43:20.460 we open doors we grant them access because what they know how to do a wins or not or their skirt 0.97
00:43:28.960 is the perfect length for a political figure as a woman what is wrong with us yeah and then we 0.77
00:43:37.360 have people all over the place advocating that this is what we should do because dressing a
00:43:41.660 certain way makes us feel a certain way bullshit dressing a certain way makes us feel a certain
00:43:46.040 way because we get responses in a certain way it has nothing to do with the skirt in and of itself
00:43:53.400 it has to do with when i wear it how am i treated right there's no power in that outfit there's
00:44:00.920 power in the the perception you get or the reaction you get and the interaction you get
00:44:07.240 because of that outfit so you're so you're kind of saying that because i feel powerful just say
00:44:13.720 i feel powerful in a pantsuit the feeling of power comes from the outward influences of me wearing
00:44:19.960 that that outfit or an outfit similar to that so i've interesting and it comes in everybody would
00:44:25.640 say no no no i just feel it and i and i'd say you can't step out of the socialization of the last
00:44:31.400 40 years however old you you know i'm 47 i can't step out of that socialization and pretend as
00:44:37.160 though i don't have a conscious or at the very least subconscious recognition of what this outfit
00:44:44.360 and this aesthetic is going to get me when i walk into the world of course and everybody that says
00:44:50.760 joe men and women are just different i'm like you know what nobody's ever we can't do this experiment
00:44:55.080 but at the end of the day you you need to how could we ever know what is truly in somebody's nature
00:45:02.520 because everybody's been brought up in a society i think going back to your your original question
00:45:12.760 the gender expression versus the kind of presentation of like if there was no gender
00:45:17.440 binary would there be a need to transition and i think that no it wouldn't be it wouldn't be
00:45:22.580 classified as that but i think it's but then you can't really if you're using the term of like
00:45:28.120 throw out society altogether then yeah no I still think I'm this is again this is like my very
00:45:37.720 um I've been thinking about it as you've been talking and I think like if you were to use the
00:45:43.380 same definition of how we talk with a gender unicorn but again like that's that's something
00:45:50.220 that was created in a societal in a binary in a binary um to explain things outside the margins
00:45:58.260 but it's like how i look and express myself if you see something and you want to emulate that
00:46:04.960 okay so we're back at socialization then yeah but i i think it's it's something that
00:46:10.540 if we were to move at all and there were just two people existing in the world undefined and there
00:46:18.060 was something about that person that you could emulate again it's socialization but it's
00:46:24.320 socialization that you are taking upon yourself so but isn't it like maybe maybe but again like
00:46:32.820 you're sort of saying like because i think that human beings are always going to assign
00:46:37.240 um i think they're always going to assign value in a certain look thing
00:46:44.420 place because it creates a hierarchy to aspire aspiration so i think that
00:46:53.920 while i want to say that it wouldn't exist altogether and there wouldn't be a need for
00:46:58.280 anyone to have to transition or to define themselves i do think that as humanity as
00:47:05.080 you've seen through the ages thrives off competition and emulation and i think that
00:47:10.920 if people if people see something and they want to be that thing they're going to try to not
00:47:19.700 recreate it but make it their own on their own body and of course there are definitely like
00:47:24.220 definite um sure uh limitations at times to some of these things i'm wondering that if we had
00:47:35.720 such incredible if if if boom we just snap our fingers no more no more gender binaries
00:47:42.360 i'm wondering if the physicality a becomes less important and then b becomes much more diverse 0.91
00:47:51.720 in and of itself right so you could have women cis-born women all of a sudden wanting lots of 1.00
00:47:59.760 muscle. That's just the aesthetic they like. They just want muscle, right? And by virtue of that, 1.00
00:48:05.540 a lot of like female bodybuilders, stuff like that, they tend to lose all breast tissue. Like 1.00
00:48:10.040 they tend to not have it. That's their aesthetic. That's what they want. So maybe if we blow that
00:48:17.080 up, we start, see, I don't, everybody talks about how many genders there are. See, I don't think 0.94
00:48:21.960 there are any. I think they're infinite. I think gender identity is infinite. Because if there's
00:48:30.240 7 billion people on the planet, I'm saying right now there are 7 billion gender identities because 0.98
00:48:35.680 no person is the same. Simple. And I'm saying if we can blow that up, then maybe some people are 0.99
00:48:44.580 like, because now we're down to what? A couple of body parts? Is this what we're really talking
00:48:48.220 about right we're down yeah we're down to a couple of body parts yeah because everything else
00:48:56.060 you know muscle and and look we have a huge plastic surgery industry in this country and
00:49:03.100 in the united states that allows people to build themselves up to be whatever version of a person
00:49:09.980 they are nobody seems to be having a problem with that if you want to add breast tissue you're normal
00:49:17.100 and healthy and amazing and now you look like a supermodel if you want to take breast tissue away
00:49:24.220 you're a deviant and you need psychological help who as at the head of that line as long as you
00:49:32.060 remove it all if you remove some you're like oh some's fine but it's like no you serve no purpose
00:49:40.220 i would like to have no shirt i like that i like that aesthetic oh no now you got to see a
00:49:45.660 psychiatrist for a year before we make that decision love well that's the most annoying
00:49:50.060 part is the fact that um and like i get why it's like an it's an insurance and and uh protection
00:49:57.580 for for uh medical uh practitioners but and then surgeons but to have like levels
00:50:06.940 to make sure that if they were to help remove someone's breast tissue they can't be sued
00:50:12.300 later on for negligence what i was going to say was it's insane to me that we subject when someone
00:50:20.920 says this is who i am and this is how i want my body to look that we subject them to a year of
00:50:28.600 therapy for someone else to to have to live like the others yeah yeah you have to for someone else
00:50:34.900 to then validate your feeling in your own body yeah that's somewhat crazy to me if i wanted right
00:50:43.060 now a calf implant sign me up here's the check for fifty thousand dollars or however much it
00:50:49.940 pays i'm good to go yeah stewart you can get a heightening surgery wait till i describe this
00:50:58.740 surgery where they break your calves they insert a two inch spacer and you lie in traction for six
00:51:09.860 weeks yeah two inches yeah we don't think that requires a little bit of psychiatric
00:51:17.940 what are you doing outside of the cost think of the danger 1.00
00:51:23.380 yeah because we have many women who have died on the table getting facelifts 0.97
00:51:28.740 They know the risk, right? Because they're older. They don't care. I'm not saying we should be giving them psychiatric treatment. I am saying there's a lot of people, you know, billions of an industry wanting to change their body all the way. 1.00
00:51:48.620 And what I have a huge problem with is if society agrees with it, we pat them on the back, we call them hot, and we put them on the cover of a movie magazine.
00:51:58.800 And if we disagree with it, we call them sick and demented and broken and whatever other horrific euphemism or, you know, whatever else we can apply to those guys directly.
00:52:14.160 Yeah, it's terrible.
00:52:15.320 We need to start being honest about that.
00:52:18.620 Right. Because of the base. And then the more I think about it, the more that I see how fundamentally at the basis of a lot of it is this is this notion.
00:52:32.520 because i've never had an i don't like functionalist i don't like people who say
00:52:37.600 well you know there's pink jobs and blue jobs girls do this guys do this why because society
00:52:42.820 works better i've never bought into that but here's the problem that's not just how what we've
00:52:46.980 done what we've done is said they're pink jobs and blue jobs but the blue jobs are so much more
00:52:50.980 important those are the really important jobs right yeah and then we've even adjusted it
00:52:58.300 because i started really listening to like let's talk about men's testosterone and aggression
00:53:03.460 levels right let's really talk about that for a second if that's true if this hormone is the
00:53:09.320 defining feature of a man right and it's so irregulated and by the way you guys get
00:53:14.720 fluctuations of it left right and center and you never know when it's if that's true and you're so
00:53:19.740 violent why the hell are we letting you run political systems that's the question what's
00:53:27.440 the question because that's usually what's thrown back at um shouldn't you just be digging ditches
00:53:31.920 somewhere with all that hyped up energy we should be out there punching trees yeah you punch trees 1.00
00:53:38.640 but the women should tell you where and when to punch because you guys don't have any control of
00:53:43.200 that right everybody talks about women and estrogen but guys you guys have i didn't know 0.98
00:53:48.800 this until very recently these spikes of testosterone and depending on the guy you
00:53:53.840 You can have huge gradiences between, you know, rationality and not so much.
00:54:00.300 And we don't talk about that.
00:54:02.640 No.
00:54:03.180 Right? 0.92
00:54:06.460 It's hormone cycles.
00:54:08.160 They call it, it's funny. 0.74
00:54:10.540 There's a whole article on Healthline years ago that came out and said, do cisgender what men get periods? 1.00
00:54:16.780 And it's true. 0.57
00:54:17.760 they don't get the periods in the same sense that we we think but there is um hormonal changes they
00:54:24.000 experience throughout the month that is they call it a menstruation or a male period where
00:54:32.800 it's just the oscillating hormones um specifically testosterone the kind of uh dip
00:54:40.560 and and that has a significant impact on people and the fact that we just negate talking about 0.98
00:54:45.520 it we also call men men aren't emotional but why aren't these so many goddamn fights oh my god 0.64
00:54:52.320 we don't count aggression as an emotion no not at all no that's no it's just the crying that's 0.78
00:54:58.800 an emotion the aggression not an emotion that's just boys being boys it's like we negate parts
00:55:04.800 of ourselves to prove a binary and a list of subsets that never existed in the and it's just
00:55:11.840 so exhausting it's just um it is exhausting it is a hundred percent exhausting and
00:55:23.600 it's something that i unfortunately think that we're going to be dealing with for a while
00:55:29.680 because the more that someone tries to push i think it's important like i said before
00:55:34.560 it's very very important to be pushed into discomfort and society to push in discomfort
00:55:38.800 and have these kind of hard and chewy conversations they're very crunchy um
00:55:45.920 but oftentimes when that happens there is a subsect of of the society who will double down
00:55:53.240 very similar to what we're seeing right now where they feel so triggered so um uncomfortable like
00:56:00.380 something is being stolen from them yeah well because they benefited from it right they're okay
00:56:06.620 with it a hundred percent but oftentimes it ends up the the most marginalized society are the ones
00:56:14.300 that are are affected the most and punished the most um and victimized which is is horrible like
00:56:23.340 right now you what you see in the states and throughout canada as well and and other parts
00:56:28.140 of the world but specifically when i talk about the states and i think i would love to say
00:56:32.540 i just want to make sure that anyone who hears this who lives in the states i always feel like
00:56:37.440 i am shitting on them um by bringing up all these things i'm not what i what i'm using this as is
00:56:42.920 because canada is a lot better at not talking about these things we don't have the same public 0.96
00:56:47.200 system or or um uh media uh coverage and machine and coverage about these these things we're very
00:56:55.460 um it's under the surface and a lot more insidious yeah um in its in its uh kind of like
00:57:01.820 rollout whereas the states it's everything is in the cover sensationalized large huge talks about
00:57:08.360 no matter what so it's easier to talk about this because people will have heard about these things
00:57:12.540 but it's um it's in no way saying that canada and the states are are so vastly different in how
00:57:18.620 their treatment of of minorities we have we both countries have their problems um
00:57:24.680 but and i and i genuinely think and that's why i i really want to have these conversations
00:57:32.540 continue having them because i genuinely think without a question in my head that the vast
00:57:37.720 majority of people are loving they want the same things as everybody else they want their families
00:57:44.620 to do well they want to be healthy and happy and successful and they want to have a good time and
00:57:50.640 And the notion that they're fundamentally bigoted and hateful, it doesn't exist.
00:57:57.300 There are those people, but I still say the vast majority of people aren't that.
00:58:03.440 And if we can at least sit down at the table and have a discussion and have the conversation
00:58:08.500 and have the hard questions that sometimes sound ridiculous or have the hard questions
00:58:13.620 that might even sound offensive, we got to be careful and listen to the intent of the question
00:58:19.720 and then educate to the best we can because that's the only way we're going to move the dial
00:58:25.260 we are not going to move the dial I don't think I'm going to move the dial when I walk into a 1.00
00:58:31.040 crowded you know women's bathroom and somebody goes well aren't you a guy I'm not going to move
00:58:36.200 the dial by screaming at that person I'm just not and that puts a lot of weight I also get this
00:58:41.920 puts a lot of weight on people facing that kind of situation. But the importance of us being able
00:58:51.320 to have the conversation or know the difference between somebody looking at me goes, oh, excuse
00:58:57.580 me, sir. That's different than if somebody said, excuse me, sir. We have to, we have to hear the
00:59:07.000 difference between those two people yes as it applies to everything in this world we have to
00:59:14.840 no matter how big the chip is on our shoulder no matter how much we've been through you
00:59:18.800 i i implore people to hear the difference between the person who is being hateful and bigoted
00:59:24.600 you can call them hun do whatever you got to do and the person who just i called him bestie
00:59:30.540 the person and then the person that just didn't know because the person that just didn't know
00:59:36.860 if I turn around and I laugh or I smile and they're like, I'm so,
00:59:40.520 this is what I get. I'm so sorry. I'm like, that's okay.
00:59:43.080 You're polite with the sir. It's just not who I am, but whatever.
00:59:46.320 They'll never forget that interaction. Right.
00:59:49.400 And they'll be more open to,
00:59:51.620 to a little bit more change to a little bit more fluidity.
00:59:56.700 You know,
00:59:57.260 I think I said this to you before and I get a lot of,
01:00:00.160 I agree with you on,
01:00:02.200 I'm going to flip it to something else as well is that I make videos where I 0.99
01:00:06.740 laugh at at stupidity trump trumpian republican rhetoric um because here's here's what i i tend 0.99
01:00:16.920 to think what i find most frustrating about these people is a lot of what they're saying 1.00
01:00:24.120 they know is garbage they know is bombastic ridiculous slop that they are serving their 0.92
01:00:31.320 constituents and they're fear-mongering and what i find most toxic about and and kind of um 1.00
01:00:38.280 pervasive about what they're doing is they're allowing these garbage statements that they know 0.93
01:00:44.280 to be wrong false or lie blatantly untrue or or just so sensationalist in how they're saying it 0.95
01:00:52.180 they're gonna go on a new a news network and they're gonna be placed next to somebody who
01:00:57.480 is well thought out well articulated well reasoned and well spoken and that person who is well
01:01:05.620 well-reasoned well-spoken well-educated is going to have to give some validity to that statement
01:01:12.280 that these people are making to negate it which then has people think there is something behind
01:01:18.860 that statement that is true yeah and then they can argue it they're arguing suddenly about this 0.79
01:01:24.900 garbage untrue completely fabricated bombastic statement that has no business being even talked
01:01:32.580 about and i have no patience anymore i used to exactly i used to sit there and be like let's 0.97
01:01:38.580 talk about this argue but why if a child said it if a teenager said it you would laugh in their face
01:01:45.780 and you'd be like okay move on but what i hope to bring awareness to is if i'm laughing at it i'm
01:01:53.140 not saying anything about their point i am laughing at their point i'm being like what is going on
01:01:58.580 yeah because it even in my comment section people are like well she didn't mean that and they're
01:02:05.380 bending over backwards trying to find some sort of explain or truth or a reasoned point in this
01:02:13.940 ridiculousness and oftentimes they're talking themselves out of it as they're doing it because 0.99
01:02:19.540 they're realizing how stupid it is i'm not saying but this is also not a republican or a democrat 1.00
01:02:25.940 or uh or a independent comment there are are idiots and garbage people in the democratic department 1.00
01:02:35.060 but like it upsets me that you have even republicans in the same party quote unquote 1.00
01:02:41.220 as these people having to also argue reason and well-educated the fact i think a couple
01:02:48.340 podcast ago with you where I found myself siding with Mitt Romney which literally makes you want
01:02:55.160 to hollow out my insides because I can't believe it's come to a point now where I'm like well it's
01:03:01.120 not that bad and also like comparatively well they've really set the bar low right right and
01:03:07.980 that's the thing is like what I I think when when Donald Trump was elected into office
01:03:12.960 i think i asked um because i had a friend who is american who voted for them i said at what point
01:03:20.960 do you have to say this person does not represent the values in which i would like to be seen
01:03:29.940 they're the most public face of your party um of the of the political ideologies and the and
01:03:38.400 the societal tenants of what makes you follow this try with people is this really the representation
01:03:46.020 that you want you can believe everything and want to be fiscally conservative and all these things
01:03:50.100 but at what point can you step back for a second and be like you know what this person is not fit
01:03:58.740 to run the party we need someone else who better aligns and can better lead the party into um and
01:04:07.980 and the the country into more prosperous thing and i think that you have these people
01:04:14.380 kind of going back to what we're talking about victimizing and vilifying and and going after
01:04:22.780 you have an entire subsect of that party the followers and the voters who are
01:04:30.220 defending these horrible things and i i often now i'm thinking so you've mentioned it
01:04:35.740 if you were to remove that gender binary or that that binary from the equation
01:04:41.040 who are they going to vilify then
01:04:45.300 although well and and that's a you know what you know what stew i think i want to end on that
01:04:52.640 because i think this is our podcast part two i honestly want you to come back and i want to start
01:04:58.940 exactly where we left off because this is led into who are they going to vilify that that is
01:05:07.160 the perfect question that speaks to the way that the political system is framed why we are trading
01:05:16.500 intelligent intellectual people for 140 characters and a simplified watered down version of reality
01:05:26.820 Why are we doing that?
01:05:28.360 Because I think we're doing it all over the place, by the way.
01:05:30.620 We're doing it everywhere.
01:05:33.640 So why are we doing that?
01:05:35.780 Why is the vilification the quickest way to the top?
01:05:39.580 And why do we keep mistaking, and this is going to be in our part too,
01:05:45.120 why do we keep mistaking authenticity for somebody who is simple 1.00
01:05:52.280 and for the better part, stupid? 0.97
01:05:54.800 it's i agree it's a question that i ask myself why i'm gonna write it down right now yeah 0.99
01:06:07.440 yeah it's it's why are we creating it on this right because it's funny like you wouldn't
01:06:15.840 you want to go back to the binary you tell your sons and your daughters
01:06:19.760 uh if we're going strictly off the binary you tell your sons and your daughters to
01:06:23.200 want better for themselves to to look for partners romantically for friends that that kind of um
01:06:31.360 give value to these friendships to have these jobs that make them better these experiences
01:06:38.240 that make them better but you don't expect that same thing from your political figures
01:06:43.200 that the people that you would have everything's a binary right but if the people that you would
01:06:48.640 not have that you have gone on record and saying you would not have in your home would
01:06:54.800 not want to date your children would not want to have your dinner table but you're okay
01:06:59.120 with them legislating for you that's that's something everything needs to be blown up
01:07:07.120 every single this notion of a better a better future what the does that mean more money
01:07:13.200 are we just talking about money is that the only indicator here because we keep saying stuff like
01:07:19.360 that what's a better future when are we better off well look we talk about the 1950s how we
01:07:26.080 were so great then you know what's going on in the 50s horrific levels of child abuse and and
01:07:32.000 spouse abuse horrific levels of civil rights abuse horrific all of that was going on and
01:07:37.760 you're talking about a booming economy so yeah your only indicator of what a better life looks
01:07:44.320 like a booming economy because i'm not with you but there's the problem stew somebody's selling
01:07:50.480 snake oil everywhere and just giving them one talking about one indicator and when you talk
01:07:57.280 about one indicator you sound like a superstar you sound like you're going to give them the world
01:08:01.440 and we're all freaking shocked when it all goes to crap but the reality is a better future is
01:08:07.680 complicated intricate and it intersects with many many many different avenues you can't just have
01:08:14.160 one so that's why people though would rather hear somebody say you're gonna have a better future
01:08:23.520 make america great again why well it's a nice little short thing that makes me think it's
01:08:28.720 going to be nice even in a time where it wasn't so nice right right all right stu can you tell
01:08:36.960 the people please where to find you before we do and we're going to come back and do part two guys
01:08:42.080 democracy in peril so you can find you please yeah you can find me on instagram and tiktok
01:08:49.280 at jannikin j-n-i-k-o-n underscore and you can find me and joanna soon on the podcast rebel
01:08:57.680 without a closet on spotify music all all streaming platforms i will put all of your stuff
01:09:06.160 right below your your little description right below the video thank you guys so much for hanging
01:09:11.600 out stu thank you so much once again for coming i loved it i will see you next time same bat time
01:09:20.960 Same bot station, folks.
01:09:23.360 Dismissed.