00:05:38.620And my grandma's like, well, why would you, why are we going back to the radio?
00:05:42.780I'm like, well, because people are now dying for conversation.
00:05:46.380They're dying for, they're trying to get back something that we've lost, which is exactly
00:05:52.700what I want to be able to do here, which is a good conversation, right?
00:05:57.320a healthy debate you you know rather than just civility you know there's like there's there's1.00
00:06:04.320no civility and even within myself i find it yesterday two lesbians you might know their1.00
00:06:09.720name i i'm not good with people's names but they're a couple and the the one woman is a1.00
00:06:14.660little older they're both blonde i know exactly who you're talking about yeah they get on there
00:06:20.120and say yesterday, we're unvaccinated and we're, I was like, what in God's green earth? If we've
00:06:29.320lost the lesbians, we're in trouble, you know? So, you know, I wrote them a little snide thing,1.00
00:06:34.780like get educated. Come on ladies, you know? And then I blocked them because I was so angry,1.00
00:06:41.840you know? And, um, the little one leaves a video message saying, we just want to talk.
00:06:47.000we're lesbian conservatives. I'm like, when did this become a cult or a group? Lesbian
00:06:51.880conservatism? Is there a whole section of that that I'm missing? I don't know when that happened.
00:06:57.580I don't, I don't know when our rights and the progress we have made sometimes somehow reverts
00:07:06.000back to this. I don't know. And I mean, you guys have a much more right-wing political system in
00:07:11.480general, but it's like people love the words economy. You know, we want our businesses to do
00:07:18.680well. And unfortunately, I think there's two kinds of people. There's people who feel like if our
00:07:23.840economy is driving and healthy, everything else will get better. And then there's the second
00:07:28.940person who knows, like rational people, if our society isn't healthy, if we're not good, if we're0.95
00:07:35.600not equitable, the economy's always going to be garbage. It's going to be unsustainable. It's
00:07:40.600going to be oppressive, right? It's, it's never going to carry on, but everybody's so concerned
00:07:46.500with what's in their pocketbook now. Yeah. And it's hard to know how this nation will heal the
00:07:53.560divide because, you know, I have these neighbors and they're four little kids under the age of
00:08:00.500seven, four girls, right. And the mother and the father, it was both of them lovely. And they were
00:08:05.900all playing outside and then they came in our house and they use our pool and we go over to
00:08:11.280their house the first time. And there I see on their wine rack, MAGA hats, make America great
00:08:19.360again. And I literally didn't know what to do. And I didn't see them for a while, like a couple
00:08:26.140of weeks. And she says, what happened? What happened? I was like, do you want to know the
00:08:29.240truth? I saw your hats. I saw your hats. And that made it an unsafe space for me.
00:08:35.900right away. And, and she said, Oh, Rosie, we have people with all different political beliefs.
00:08:42.620It's just, you know, we're a Persian Jews and, and we, um, you know, agree with what he did in
00:08:50.380Israel. And, you know, there, there are certain factions that only vote one issue. And it seems
00:08:56.380as though that's this family because, you know, truthfully I made an effort to get involved in
00:09:03.340their life because I didn't want to be like someone who would exclude someone's kindness and
00:09:09.480and disregard all of the positivity that had come from this family and just hold on to my
00:09:15.880and they voted for that Nazi you know 100 percent and I said to them that's what it feels like I'm0.57
00:09:23.360a Jew and that's a swastika and I not ever want I want you to know how serious it is for me it's
00:09:30.800not a joke. I have an interesting question for you, actually. Maybe we'll get to the other stuff
00:09:37.480later because that's a great... I'm very pro-vaccine. We have vaccine passports up here
00:09:44.500in order to go certain places, not everywhere. You need to be vaccinated. And a lot of people,
00:09:50.940from what I understand, not the Jewish community, but a lot of people are comparing vaccine
00:09:57.440passports and forced vaccinations and they're saying oh well it's just like nazi camps like
00:10:04.160where are your papers right yeah and i'm i mean i my school i have had spoken to so many holocaust
00:10:11.200survivors i have never once spoken to somebody who feels that way um but it's like this thing
00:10:18.560that they get to use where it's like it's supposed to pull on your heart strings because this was
00:10:22.480such a horrible thing but do they understand how much they're diminishing the holocaust0.66
00:10:27.120when they compare it yes like they're watching the holocaust exactly and you know there's a0.59
00:10:34.640certain you know group of people who share the belief that the holocaust is off limits you know0.68
00:10:40.320but i i think the holocaust should be brought up and used as an example when it's applicable
00:10:46.560um you know in society so we don't forget so that all those people the show a project the spielberg
00:10:54.160brilliance that that he did and putting that whole thing together imagine a legacy like that you know
00:11:00.960um that is a vital thing you know lee this little woman that i older woman that i walk with every
00:11:07.520day horrible yeah she got out of um poland oh wow was her uncle was already emigrated to london
00:11:18.640And she was telling me she remembered when the Nazis came in her, she was five when they came into her house and they had a bag and they would just take their stuff and they were taking their stuff and they took her little travel clock and put it in there.
00:11:33.720So when her mother wasn't looking, she went and grabbed it back out and, you know, risking death for all of the, but she was five.
00:11:42.020And she had these visceral memories that she was still telling me at 87 of escaping Poland at five
00:11:49.200years old. You know, and we can't ever let those memories die. We can't ever let what happened to
00:11:55.400this country in the last four years happen again, because we were really as close to
00:12:01.020the ending of democracy as it's possible to come. And if we didn't learn from that lesson of Trump,
00:12:08.180then I fear for democracy on the whole. I, you know, I agree a hundred percent across the board.
00:12:15.540My, my question is this, do you think that, so I'm going to put him aside. I don't even like
00:12:22.220giving him publicity, even saying his name, but do you think, cause I know a lot of people,
00:12:27.480I mean, he allowed that to propagate. He, he gave, he emboldened people within the United States
00:12:33.280to get up and march with those. He encouraged them. Yes. And he, you know, organized and
00:12:41.780directed and instigated the insurrection. And, you know, for that, I mean, why they want us,
00:12:49.360the United States, to deny what we saw live on television. It's insane. Right. And then to call
00:12:57.380that, just a normal day of tourism in the United States. It is absolutely batshit crazy.
00:25:11.640Well, my brother Eddie always used to say when they would complain about celebrities online, he'd say, well, you know what?
00:25:18.680If you were working at the gas station, the guy in the garage was giving you just as much trouble as, you know what I'm saying?
00:25:25.680That it was a microcosm of just societal and personal interrelationships in a confined space, you know, enough to make a sitcom, right?
00:25:35.980you know it just wasn't televised it wasn't on the front of the paper right so you didn't see
00:25:41.540it like that and you think that they live such different interesting lives but but really it's
00:25:47.500just it's very very reflective you know um i want to put on that illusion like i never bought into
00:25:54.760the you know show biz like you have to be glamorous and you have to be um you know made up
00:26:02.960And I didn't really buy into it. I mean, at the beginning of my career, I think I had to. Sometimes I see myself with long hair and on the show and I'm like, wow, that was a long time ago. You know, it almost feels like a different me. But I have to realize that's half my life ago. Right. I'm going to be 60. That's, you know, 30 years is pretty big chunk from there to here.
00:26:26.240but um you know people like to live in the illusion of hollywood but i don't i love when
00:26:32.540people say you mean she just knocked on your door lee and asked to walk yeah yeah yeah and you mean
00:26:40.200you actually go to the grocery store yeah and you fill up your own car with guests yep and you answer
00:26:47.360your own twitter and youtube yeah i do that's me as somebody thinks people will say to me oh madonna
00:26:53.740doesn't write her own TikTok. I'm like, yes, she does. She does. Oh, of course she does.
00:26:59.920Everyone thinks that it's this big machine that everyone, but you know, your life is so,
00:27:05.780uh, it's so typical without, with just gross exaggerations in some areas,
00:27:12.380you know, it's gross exaggeration. It's like, um, limitless. You have a limitless feeling that
00:27:19.340for an adult is really intoxicating i think for a kid is uh earth shattering it's hard to find
00:27:27.920your equilibrium when you're in the midst of that and you know everyone in the family is involved
00:27:33.180in it and you're getting on a private plane and there's paparazzi outside and did you have the
00:27:38.520life vest on parker when you went in the boat because they took a picture and now they're
00:27:42.300saying you're a bad mother and you know like you're living in a constant swirl like of a
00:27:47.800snow globe. Yeah, absolutely. It never really calms down enough for you to
00:27:54.300have a clear perspective. When do you think that happened for you?
00:28:01.380My children are now throwing notes under my door. That's amazing. Dakota.
00:28:09.340Okay. If somebody is out there, they're listening, but that's all right with me.
00:28:12.860i think it's dakota trying to listen because she knew i was on the computer so she got
00:28:19.480excited um but um sorry where was i uh when did that happen for you when did you when did you get
00:28:26.100a little bit more of an equilibrium when could you step back and say this is who i am this is
00:28:31.140what i want and to heck with everything else it took a long time after i left my show yeah but i
00:28:37.800felt a freedom when I left my show. I felt like, you know, my book had come out and 9-11 had just
00:28:43.460happened in, you know, September. And then in March, my book came out that talked about me
00:28:49.420being gay and, you know, me having a partner with Kelly at the time. And, um, and it didn't really
00:28:55.980make a splash as it shouldn't. We were all still in shock over 9-11. And, um, I remember a few
00:29:03.180months after that book came out being free and walking down the street with headphones on and
00:29:08.560thinking, I don't have anywhere to go. I don't have anything to do. And this is what freedom
00:29:15.040is really like. Now I'm not saying that a job like I had is, uh, you know, imprisoning. It's
00:29:24.780just, it's a lot. Yeah. Like when you go in the big surf, you know, sometimes those surfers don't
00:29:30.420come out. Right. And for me, I went out there and I surfed for six years and I got my ass back to
00:29:37.880the shore, you know, because it's dangerous out there. It is. And you lose your perspective.
00:29:43.800I feel like, and you know, you talked about it, like it was this nice persona and they had a very
00:29:49.240particular vision for what your show was going to be. And then you'd get a guy like Tom Selleck
00:29:53.120on there and you could see, you could see every fiber of your political being saying, I can't let
00:29:59.240it go i should let it go i said to them before he was on i said to my talent bookers we'll do two
00:30:07.100full segments instead of one for his movie right and in the second one we're going to discuss the
00:30:13.180nra because this was may of um 99 so that was one month after it happened right and he had just come
00:30:23.700out with an ad that said I'm Tom Selleck the NRA teaches children good values like and I said this
00:30:34.200is your face you give it to them you support what they do why can't they stop assault rifle why can't
00:30:40.520they you know and it didn't seem to me that much of a heated conversation but comparatively to how
00:30:47.500the conversations had always gone up to that point it was a very different tone and a different sort
00:30:53.600part of me. And, um, you know, just as valid as the happy kind of. Absolutely. And just as big
00:31:03.260inside of the, you know, trivial pursuit pieces of your psyche, of your personality, of your soul,
00:31:09.620you know, each one is pretty much the same size. Right. Fill up those sections for what they
00:31:15.200matter for you. Art, children, theater, love, light, the water, the ocean, you know, these are
00:31:24.520all family. These are all the things that I put in my little trivial pursuit thing. And I've always
00:31:32.420known that those were the things that I value. Yeah, you saw, I mean, I, you know, I watched
00:31:38.900a few of those things back and then I watched some clips from The View and it's just like
00:31:43.340those conversations and those moments and you you stayed right here with it and and I really do
00:31:50.780emulate that in a lot like I can get some you know some people saying some silly things about me
00:31:55.780um and I and I truly believe that no matter what comes at me what kind of craziness whether it's0.87
00:32:03.100anti-vax stuff whether it's am I a boy or a girl or whatever that ridiculousness is
00:32:07.140but for, for you to stay this calm, I just feel as though there's always extremists that are
00:32:14.880never going to hear you. Right. But most people are somewhere in the middle. And if you catch
00:32:20.440that person somewhere in the middle and you do it gently with love and empathy, but firmly,
00:32:28.060you can just give them a little bit of a shove. You know, I had a radio show and I really loved
00:32:33.600doing it. And, uh, one time when the war was just starting in Afghanistan and, you know, I was
00:32:39.860against it and, and, um, you know, went on some political talk shows with no war on my clothes,
00:32:47.280like people used to do in the sixties and right. Right. And, um, I had a radio caller that called
00:32:56.440in and said, you know, you said that our men are terrorists. I said, no. I said, I want you to
00:33:05.800really think about who's occupying whose land, who's there, who sent them in. If someone had,0.89
00:33:14.840you know, there's a wonderful documentary called To Die in Jerusalem. It's a little bit of a tangent,
00:33:20.180but it's two uh women who were killed one israeli and one palestinian the palestinian was a suicide
00:33:26.900bomber was the first female suicide bomber okay and she put on a vest and went into this thing
00:33:32.340and blew herself up and only killed one israeli girl and they were the same height the same hair
00:33:39.780the same so that they didn't know which body parts went to which person when they were both dead
00:33:47.380and this filmmaker got their mothers both of their mothers to tell their story and the mother in
00:33:56.420palestine was saying her brother was shot dead in front of her and by israeli troops and um we were
00:34:05.780you know we're put in ghettos here and and and talking all about the reality of even making
00:34:13.460the documentary when she wasn't allowed because her daughter had died as a suicide bomber. The
00:34:19.120mother wasn't allowed to ride on the buses or she couldn't get a pass to go out of the community
00:34:25.760that, you know, and, and then there was the mother from the other side in Israel who had so much
00:34:33.100kind of warmth and compassion, but couldn't quite see the other side at all, you know, and I think
00:34:41.020that's generational trauma tattoo on the soul it's generations and generate that they won't be
00:34:47.620able to see that you know everyone's screaming that they should make peace there and they should
00:34:52.440acknowledge each other as people and you know i think sometimes the wounds are too big to do that
00:35:00.280you know it's so true it's so i mean i i i talk about the partition i talk about forced migration
00:35:06.060i talk about the creation of israel and and all of those things with my students and i'll have
00:35:10.580i'll have jewish students i'll have uh muslim students you know palestinian and they will all
00:35:16.460say yeah but joanna which side do you support i'll say i support both i support healthy happy
00:35:24.080trans like a transmission into something else i said of course you can support the state of israel
00:35:31.200and still worry about those ghettos you're talking about and still listen to the palestinian mother
00:35:36.420explain what her daughter went through that put her in that situation. And it's all so sad and
00:35:42.840so complicated. And I feel as though, and going back to our original subject, you have horrific
00:35:48.520politicians simplifying it to facilitate rage and empower themselves. And all it does is make
00:35:57.440everything worse. Make everything worse, without a doubt. And the politicians,
00:36:03.760the Republicans right now aren't even a party. They're just the believers in the lie
00:36:10.820and how we're ever going to wake them from the cult that they are in with all of this Tucker1.00
00:36:17.460Carlson bullshit. That guy should be arrested. I mean, what is he doing besides inciting people1.00
00:36:23.280every single night? I just, you know, I don't understand. Well, I mean, I have a long list
00:36:29.300of those people that you have Tucker, you have guys like Ben Shapiro, you have guys even on the
00:36:34.300lower spectrum, like Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson, who is a Canadian. We don't really want to claim
00:36:39.780him. But you have these individuals propagating this. And I don't understand. I keep flashing
00:36:46.020back to the show Newsroom. Did you ever see Newsroom? Yes. Right. I feel like there's nothing
00:36:52.640more poignant than that show this idea that news has become entertainment and when it the moment
00:36:59.520it became entertainment the moment they had to get paid for it you get guys like tucker carlson
00:37:05.520and there's no more news left where do you see the news anymore well the news is irrelevant you
00:37:10.800don't even it doesn't even matter you know it doesn't really matter somebody will tell you
00:37:16.080an event that happened and then everyone will pick the narrative that they want following that little
00:37:21.280ingestion of of uh salacious material like all this stuff about that gabby girl who was killed
00:37:28.260and um and her her boyfriend everyone looking for the boyfriend like you know you don't even hear
00:37:34.000the story now on the news really pretty much it was a meteor it it flashed brightly in front of
00:37:40.280all of our eyes and then disappeared and you know it distracted us from all the other things
00:37:46.960but it did force sort of people to look at the amount of indigenous women that are missing and
00:37:53.200killed every year the amount of hispanic women women of color um you know that was i think a
00:38:00.620really strong rallying point around her disappearance the one benefit that could could0.86
00:38:08.420come from this was for people to see that not only the blonde white pretty girls are worth0.98
00:38:13.780investigating. Absolutely. And it goes back, I mean, you have this whole Facebook thing blowing1.00
00:38:20.040up right now. And everybody's talking about, oh, well, Facebook is all about propagating,
00:38:24.880you know, the negative and the divisive and the controversial. And when I heard her rendition,
00:38:31.880I can't remember her name right now, the whistleblower, when I heard her rendition,
00:38:35.580you know, I'm listening to her and I'm like, it, who, this isn't news, right? Did anybody think
00:38:43.740Facebook wasn't doing this. And has anybody watched Fox lately? Like, this is going on
00:38:50.980everywhere. I said the other day to my students, if it bleeds, it leads. And my students looked at
00:38:55.680me and went, what are you talking about? I'm like, well, that's been the news for a very long
00:39:00.840time, right? The more salacious yellow journalism has been around since the 1800s. If we can0.62
00:39:06.220exaggerate it, if we can make it more salacious and more interesting, and even if we have to lie
00:39:12.100just a little bit, but we're going to sell papers or we're going to sell the whatever.
00:39:17.580This is a reflection, I think, unfortunately, of what we're consuming.
00:39:26.600Yes. And it's really who's in power. What we consume media-wise has to do with who's the
00:39:35.540head of the studios. And Mark Zuckerberg, what we were consuming there, he made a deal with Trump.
00:39:42.100right exactly with trump mark zuckerberg made a deal with trump that has to be illegal
00:39:49.340it has i just i i don't understand in my core how it's not and how it's not just crystal clear
00:39:57.500um that it it it's frustrating to watch these things play out and for people to pretend to
00:40:04.940take a side when i'm like there's no side to take here guys this is really isn't there's no side to
00:40:11.200take? It's, it's clear as day. And, you know, and then I start to think about what we consume on
00:40:16.920TV. And I thought, okay, so we're all watching, we're all on Facebook trading barbs. And sometimes
00:40:24.080that's what TikTok is. And it, and TikTok will pump out, let's say, you know, did you ever see
00:40:29.440the couch guy? You know, the guy that I really thought was cheating on his girlfriend. Did you
00:40:33.240see that TikTok? No. Okay. So a girl walks in to surprise her boyfriend and she's filming it
00:40:39.200and he has his arm around another girl and he quickly does one of like one of these and then
00:40:44.900goes over and says hi and people have watched that video three million times dissecting it
00:40:52.420frame by frame to find out if this guy was cheating and and it's not the video that's
00:40:57.960necessarily the the issue it's it's what we just did right like the way in terms of it's what we
00:41:07.940just did in terms of being obsessed with the little snippet we were given? Absolutely. And
00:41:15.760the drama and the controversy, you know, I mean, I like The Bachelor just as much.
00:41:21.500Did the, excuse me, did the woman put in what happened after or no?
00:41:25.360Um, I don't know. Well, I think she played it up like he was, cause she's trying to get views,
00:41:30.780right? So I think she played it up like that, that guy, the guy has come on in TikTok and like
00:41:36.240said guys can you please get out of my business like you have no idea what you're talking about
00:41:39.680but then i started thinking about you know we have shows like the bachelor where we wait for
00:41:45.160the women to fight like we wait it's the worst thing ever on tv i remember being on the view
00:41:51.480and thinking or my own show and saying uh when it was only the bachelor it hadn't been the0.99
00:41:57.200bachelorette yet i said if it was reversed and there was a bachelorette she'd just be the whore0.89
00:42:02.200right there it is there it is and uh i said that on tv yeah well but but that's the truth0.95
00:42:10.360that's the truth those are the categories that we put people in still to this day and again
00:42:16.200like it comes down to what we want what we demand and then it's fed to us in order for whoever to
00:42:23.560make money on it but so i think the change and i see such amazing things and i think the change
00:42:29.320it starts with these amazing people that now have nobody can control this maybe to some extent but
00:42:38.920but they really can't right right keepers have been locked out of the room you don't want to
00:42:46.180sing a song and sony tells you to piss off because they don't like your look or they think you're too
00:42:50.560gay or they think you're too this you know what go put it on tick tock watch when sony comes0.98
00:42:55.880knocking at your door because it just blew up there. Right. And these gatekeepers of art,0.98
00:43:02.180it's kind of beautiful. You kind of watch them crumble a bit and then come back around begging
00:43:07.200to be a part of whatever's going on. Yeah. I think that, you know, I think that
00:43:14.460I try to consume art in big chunks of things that are great, like succession, right? That show is
00:43:23.640so beautifully written the complications of a family like a murdoch family how they made up
00:43:30.320this world or universe or or maybe it's quite accurate i don't really know but it's so entertaining
00:43:36.380and it's so um nourishes your soul it awakens something in the human spirit that they have
00:43:46.180captured and put on this screen same with hacks same with ted lasso hacks was just like
00:43:53.260she is so funny yes she is so funny and for her going through such pain her husband just died
00:44:02.380her husband in many years and you know six months ago and she's in the middle of this series and
00:44:08.080you know it's it's really a it does another beautiful show it's just beautiful when everything
00:44:15.480merges together and it combines and it's beautiful that then that's art and I always
00:44:21.780think the key to my success is I know how to consume art. And when I'm depressed, when I'm
00:44:28.220down, when the world gets to be too much for me, that's what I do. I put on Sunday in the park
00:44:34.220with George. I go see Hamilton. I watched The Way We Were. I try just to consume it to keep me
00:44:43.700afloat, especially when I see shit like misogynistic, ridiculous, The Bachelor and The1.00
00:44:50.080bachelorette both of them are ridiculous who thinks that antiquated way that you're gonna1.00
00:44:55.000find your love in a you know in a paradise island and it's gonna last forever i mean i don't watch0.95
00:45:02.600that but i you know i there are phases with things like i remember when survivor was exciting
00:45:08.760when you were you know you know people don't even know it's on but it's still on i saw it last
00:45:14.860was still on right right it's these things that we are right i mean and it's it's interesting
00:45:21.960because we have so much that we can grasp we have so much that we can hold on to and and it's just
00:45:27.460like you said at the beginning of this what we choose to grasp what we choose to hold on to
00:45:32.500is going to shape everything that comes there after totally you got to fill up your pizza
00:45:39.000slices you know you got one pie fill it up want to play trivial trivial pursuit yes sure so i know
00:45:48.960that we're running out of time i want because i know that you have something else that you have
00:45:52.180to do after it but i have 20 kind of rapid fire questions a little bit more on the lighter side
00:45:58.860are you ready yeah sure all right here we go texting or talking talking talking me too hands
00:46:06.760down. The last song you downloaded or streamed or really loved? It's the Songs from Inside by
00:46:15.560Bo Burnham. Oh, I don't know that. Bo Burnham did a special on Netflix where he talks about
00:46:22.040the fact that it was a pandemic and that for the last five years, he had quit performing live
00:46:27.840because of his panic attacks while he was on stage. So he created this show and he was about
00:46:33.540to tour it and the pandemic hit so instead he created the whole show in a room in one room and
00:46:40.420he did all the lighting the writing the directing the editing it is a work of genius it is it got
00:46:49.180nominated for an emmy but did not win it should have won uh it's one of the most magnificent
00:46:55.700pieces of art that i've seen in the last 30 years and it's called inside i'm gonna watch it yeah
00:47:02.720you're going to love it. All right. You ready? Invisibility or super strength? I think this
00:47:08.660says a lot about invisibility. Invisibility. Come on. Everybody's choosing that one. First
00:47:15.080celebrity crush. Kate Mulgrew. Nice choice. Yeah, Mary Ryan on Ryan's Hope. Ryan's Hope.
00:54:46.100Gloria Steinem oh yeah oh that would be a nice table I think that if you could get that table0.97
00:54:56.480together I'm pretty sure that's the revolution right there well I would follow those women0.98
00:55:01.380anywhere so yes amazing well I know that you're running I know you have another I got another
00:55:08.260one of these you have a lineup I do I say yes and I always want to follow through and try to
00:55:14.500be prepared and ready oh like panicking i'm like where's the number sorry i was late oh what you
00:55:23.320do i love watching you and i'm glad i'm getting to know you and i'd love to uh you know find out
00:55:29.900more about you you know i went i went to pittsburgh to shoot league of their own um tv show i was a
00:55:37.100bartender that owned the bar in town. Oh, very cool. Yeah. And I was Pittsburgh. What was I
00:55:45.640telling you about Pittsburgh? Is that where you went and met up with that TikTok? Yes. I met up0.98
00:55:50.960with the girl from TikTok, Big Sexy. Yeah. Her name is Kelsey, but her mother is that. And her1.00
00:55:58.280mother. And it was just, you know, when you meet someone and you feel like you've known them
00:56:02.640forever and sometimes even on tiktok you get somebody's vibe and you go whoa that's one of
00:56:08.440my people you know absolutely and i got to meet her which was so nice and i know some little
00:56:13.560groups because i find tiktok a little bit clicky some of the little clicky groups are getting
00:56:19.280together for you know come in october and meet me and it's halloween and you know who else is doing
00:56:26.440that I just saw a page from Georgia. Did you see that she came out as a Trumper? No, it's Georgia.0.73
00:56:33.780She came out as a Trump page. I feel like that, like she's young, right? She's super young. I
00:56:41.480don't know who's surrounding her. She grows, she's grown up in a very, I'm just going to guess a
00:56:46.920very, I'm just assuming here in a very particular demographic and, and, and I think if he, she's
00:56:55.160the kind of person, she's the kind of person that's sitting here. And you just got to give
00:56:58.660her a little bit of a loving, just a bit of a push. You know, I honestly believe that I felt
00:57:05.800that too, towards her, like a big sister, like on the softball team that I was a senior and
00:57:11.400she was a freshman and I just wanted to go, come here, kid, let me show you how to do a double
00:57:16.240play. Right. And, um, but then when I found out she's a Trumper, it all dissipated for me. I0.99
00:57:21.320thought I can't, I do not want to engage. Yeah. Well, I, I wonder, I also, I always wonder who's
00:57:27.540in their lives. Yeah. I always wonder, she's a young, um, obviously she's, she's gay and she's
00:57:34.240from that. And I wonder who's in her life that's gearing her that way and what she has to do to0.81
00:57:40.260survive maybe where she is. You know, I I'm very lucky. Look, Toronto, the hamlet that we are,
00:57:47.940I'm very lucky that I got to grow up here because, you know, coming out and, you know,
00:57:55.380dressing however I dress and my tattoos and whatever, I've got to feel pretty safe, you know,
00:58:01.040and I love New York. If I had to choose a place in the States to live, that's it. I do like the
00:58:07.680weather in California, but I am an East Coast kind of girl. And I'm lucky. I didn't have to
00:58:13.380grew up in lincoln nebraska i didn't have you know you're totally right and me too from new york
00:58:19.440you know it's it's uh it's really something that we'll never know what it's like to grow up gay
00:58:26.900in the middle of the country and you know i i have compassion for her in that way but
00:58:33.500i don't know the trumper thing i just thought oh jesus let's just leave it there yeah it's it's
00:58:40.120really hard and it's this this bastion of freedom this this misrepresentation of freedom and what
00:58:46.600that means and who's wielding it and how they're wielding it and I just think people some people
00:58:53.000who maybe haven't stepped out of I think she's from Macon Georgia
00:58:57.420you haven't stepped out of there yet you just don't know yet you know I've traveled
00:59:03.440to a lot of many different I go to the states all the time I've traveled most of Europe parts of
00:59:09.320Africa. And I mean, I feel like my education's important, but holy crap. Like those parts,0.97
00:59:16.020being in Tanzania changed my life. I can't even describe it, right? And for a lot of people in1.00
00:59:23.740the States, especially, they don't leave their town. Yeah. You know, it's so funny. I have really
00:59:28.860little desire to see other countries. Oh, really? Interesting. I have panic when I'm not around my
00:59:36.580children when my children are not like in the same arena as I am. And I just always am anxious
00:59:44.620when I go, I've been to Italy, I've been to France, I've been to London, but I'm not someone
00:59:50.560who loves traveling. I, you know, I always think if something happened in France, what am I going
00:59:56.920to say? I think it could be my gallbladder, but it might be my appendix in French. You know, like
01:00:02.540it's, I don't know. I have so much anxiety that I, people have told me English now.
01:00:08.840Yeah. People have told me that you can see appendix. They'll know what it is. So you,
01:00:13.440yeah, I don't know. I just don't love it. I mean, my ex-wife Kelly is now a travel agent and all
01:00:19.580she ever wanted to do was travel. And I would rather stay in my own house in Miami than go
01:00:25.940to the Riviera. In Florida. Are you going over to Florida anytime soon, considering what's going
01:00:32.420on down there? Oh, I'm done with Florida after all this. Seriously, I'm done. I moved out to
01:00:39.600California, and Miami had been my home for 25, 30 years, and I just can't anymore.
01:00:48.380Right. I keep playing my favorite. My favorite movie is Jaws. And I and when it comes to Florida, I keep playing again and again and again. You're the mayor that wants to keep the beach open. All I can think about is that quote. And that's it's just like, you're just going to let your people die. You're fine with that. Just let them. Why? Because I want to make money because this is summer money. And I'm like, did anybody see the movie in 1975? Like, this is a direct correlation.
01:01:15.380correlation. Definitely. A hundred percent. That's what I felt with Trump too. I felt that's
01:01:23.560what he was doing. He wanted to keep the beach open and his illusion open. And, you know, this
01:01:29.280kind of facade that fooled all these people and anything he could do to antagonize the
01:01:37.380right-wing militias that adore him. And look at January 6th. I mean, the fact that he's not
01:01:46.180locked up right at this moment is infuriating. It doesn't make any, it makes no sense. What
01:01:53.520doesn't make sense isn't even the fact that he got elected, which is in and of itself a conundrum,
01:01:59.020but the fact that that wasn't clear as day to every single person, it wasn't like it's this
01:02:06.020thing that happened that wasn't recorded. There are miles of footage showing exactly what happened
01:02:13.440from start to finish. Yep. And this is the reality. We saw it live. Just like the buildings
01:02:22.980on 9-11, we watched it happen. We watched it happen with our own eyes. It's infuriating. And
01:02:30.640And I think, you know, it's interesting when you have something this horrific happen in
01:02:36.420a country and it propagates such insanity, it is always amazing to me the sometimes the
01:02:45.260good and the beauty that can come out of it because people that are good and there's more
01:02:49.880of us than not and people that are smart and there's more of us than not all of a sudden