Unlearn16: Class is in Session - The One Where Jann Arden and I Decide To Change The World

00:00:00.000 classes in session hey guys welcome to unlearned 16 classes in session guys today i'm sweating

00:00:09.960 right through my shirt because i'm so nervous i have jan arden on my actual i can't believe this

00:00:17.980 and i want to say thank you so much that was a nice hun by the way that wasn't mean you've been

00:00:22.940 uh it's persistent i don't i have to just as a caveat i don't look at social media all the time

00:00:28.980 like if I open it up and if it's in front of me, then I'll read it. And I think people assume

00:00:35.460 because I post a lot, I post and I get out of there. So I don't go through or read a lot of

00:00:42.600 stuff. So sometimes I'll stumble across something where people have had an exchange and they're

00:00:47.780 trying to get my attention and I have no idea, but I would literally need 10 full-time people

00:00:53.100 to read comments and do that. So I apologize. I just, I'm really, I love posting, but I just

00:00:59.900 don't stay on to linger. So if you've been trying to seek me out, it's not because I've been

00:01:06.480 ignoring or anything. Whenever I do catch your posts, I'm always very impressed with your candor.

00:01:14.400 And it takes a lot of bravery too, to get in and say things. And you have such a kind of a funny,

00:01:21.140 humorous very intelligent spin on the the topics that you tackle the people that you protect

00:01:29.440 marginalized people the lgbtq plus two-spirit you know the trans community you know anytime any of

00:01:36.580 us sticks sticks our necks out to even be an ally um it's amazing the vitriol you get but it's just 0.99

00:01:45.100 a bunch of lunatics being lunatics, but, but good on you. When I do, when I do see your stuff, 0.92

00:01:51.660 I'm, I'm endlessly entertained for one thing. So it makes me kind of like stick it out because

00:01:58.260 you're, you're a very fact based empathic, um, critical thinker and you, you are, are thoughtful

00:02:11.300 and your stuff just isn't this opinion based stuff which is all great it's great to have an

00:02:17.340 opinion but it's so wonderful to have an opinion backed up by science by by you know integrity by

00:02:25.660 other by other people that are you know professionals so anyways good on you that's

00:02:31.960 my spiel that's all the time we have and that's great thank you so much i'm going to use that as

00:02:36.580 clip for the rest of my uh life let's be honest uh you know what's interesting is because obviously

00:02:42.820 everybody on here that's going to be listening i mean they know who you are they know who you

00:02:47.300 are from your amazing music career i laugh so hard at your show jan i can't it's like the perfect

00:02:54.980 comedy show for me everybody knows these things about you what i'm drawn to sure are those things

00:03:02.740 I mean, I've been to many a concert.

00:03:04.720 I've sang along.

00:03:05.780 My friend Stacey wanted to know she enjoyed your concert so much,

00:03:08.660 and she got a little too intoxicated when you were in Oshawa.

00:03:11.760 She's going to kill me for saying this.

00:03:13.180 And she had to go to the bathroom right outside the building,

00:03:16.500 and I got a little bit on video.

00:03:18.460 I'm impressive. 0.74

00:03:19.780 That's how you overwhelmed her.

00:03:22.120 That's great.

00:03:22.740 I like when people have to pee against buildings.

00:03:26.440 I've peed in the odd garbage can in my life, you know.

00:03:29.340 Thank God social media didn't exist back in the day.

00:03:32.000 Can you imagine if we were kids?

00:03:34.200 You know what, men, they whip it out

00:03:36.400 and they pee pretty much anywhere.

00:03:38.200 I cannot tell you what happens here during Stampede Week

00:03:41.600 in Calvary, Alberta, Canada.

00:03:43.880 You know, people are drinking their body weight in beer

00:03:46.940 and there's literally men urinating everywhere,

00:03:51.460 at every dumpster.

00:03:53.100 There's a guy swaying back and forth,

00:03:55.840 holding onto his wiener and peeing, you know,

00:03:59.280 into a corner thinking he's invisible. 0.95

00:04:01.500 women don't women have to be more inventive we have to be a little more clever i feel like that

00:04:09.260 should be the commercial for the next calgary stampede yeah anyway it should be but stacy no

00:04:15.260 judgment now the reason why i mean with social media i i get it get in get out if i really want

00:04:23.020 to put myself in a bad mood i stay on twitter for about a half an hour tick tock's a bit of a

00:04:27.340 different story over there i i feel like it's a lot more nice and fun over there whereas twitter

00:04:33.020 i kind of have to i have to be bobbing and weaving a little bit more but what i've been

00:04:38.220 blown away by with you is the very things you were talking about when it came to

00:04:44.860 what i do on that app which is this amazing authentic um right driven soul that you have

00:04:54.620 And your drive and your focus is protecting animals, is protecting animals across the board. 0.99

00:05:01.980 And I want to talk about horse shit. 0.99

00:05:03.800 I don't swear very often on my podcast, so there we go. 1.00

00:05:06.540 I want you to be able to talk about horse shit. 0.99

00:05:08.740 I want to talk about animal rights. 0.99

00:05:11.300 This isn't something where it's necessarily my wheelhouse, but when I come across it and

00:05:18.080 when I listen to what you have to say, and it's just so simplistic and authentic and powerful,

00:05:26.080 I want to be able to talk about it more. And then even better, I think I have a plan.

00:05:31.960 That's even better. No, that's great. I have more of a plan for that. But if you wanted to,

00:05:37.560 I would love it if you would just share. This goes to the States a lot and stuff like that.

00:05:41.400 I would love if you want to share about horseshit, about what you're doing, why you're doing it, 0.72

00:05:46.800 how that is going on in Canada about animal rights, whatever you think is, you know. 0.93

00:05:52.400 Yeah. I certainly don't want to pontificate, but I'm, uh, you don't do that. I love animals

00:05:58.580 and I always did. I grew up in a rural community. I still live just a few miles from where I grew

00:06:04.220 up. It's the area is called Spring Bank and, uh, Rocky View County. It's called a lot of

00:06:10.620 different things now. When, when my, my folks moved us out here, like early seventies,

00:06:14.940 it was really a bunch of farms. And now it's a very affluent, you know, people with 10,000

00:06:21.320 square foot houses and, you know, massive properties and things like that. The agricultural

00:06:26.680 element is slowly disappearing. But anyway, I, my mom had tons of animals. We had horses,

00:06:32.940 the neighbors had cows, there's, you know, chickens. It was just a, you know, we had chores

00:06:37.440 in the morning. So I grew up around animals and my mom was, she loved animals and she just

00:06:43.620 instilled that in all of us. And when she passed away, I started feeding birds. You know, I hadn't

00:06:51.140 really thought about it. I traveled a lot of the time. And when my mom passed away, I felt like

00:06:55.180 I looked out my window where their house used to be, and I saw a bunch of birds looking at me,

00:07:00.900 like, who will feed the birds? What's happening? And so I just started, and now I'm hooked. I have

00:07:07.320 all kinds of animals. So that's, you know, just my love of animals in general. But on a deeper level,

00:07:13.620 There's so many connectors to marginalized people.

00:07:15.820 As a queer person myself, I'm, you know,

00:07:19.240 I'm always very conscious of how animals are very marginalized.

00:07:26.400 They're, you know, people much smarter than me

00:07:29.100 have made connections over the last several decades,

00:07:32.520 even to slavery and how, you know,

00:07:35.620 animals spend their lives indentured and certainly animals

00:07:38.760 that are used in the meat industry, which, you know,

00:07:41.800 by the way, is just billions and billions every year now

00:07:44.480 because our population is thus that, you know,

00:07:47.640 imagine eating a happy hour barrel of chicken wings.

00:07:51.720 You're eating 24 wings for $3.

00:07:54.920 That's a lot of chickens.

00:07:56.640 Yeah.

00:07:57.480 And it just, I've been vegan for eight years.

00:08:00.960 Long story short, I just,

00:08:05.300 I got involved with the horses several years ago

00:08:09.300 and I haven't looked back.

00:08:10.440 and that is the live export of large draft horses

00:08:14.840 that spend their lives in feedlots, their lives.

00:08:17.100 They're born in muck up to their elbows,

00:08:19.880 and then they're ushered onto large transport trucks,

00:08:25.480 taken to the Calgary, Edmonton, or Winnipeg airports,

00:08:29.300 and then they're crammed into wooden crates,

00:08:32.300 like four at a time,

00:08:33.960 and they just endure 8,000 kilometer, 16 hour flight.

00:08:38.100 So sometimes they're in these crates for 35, 45, five hours.

00:08:42.860 None of the, um, the regulations are adhered to.

00:08:46.320 There's no one checking.

00:08:47.360 They always say there is, oh, they're checked.

00:08:49.120 There's, there's nobody checking.

00:08:50.380 They don't have the time.

00:08:51.160 They don't have the manpower.

00:08:52.780 And, uh, it's just, we've been trying to get stopped for years.

00:08:57.840 So, and it's an American company that came up here.

00:09:00.360 You're talking about your American audience.

00:09:02.060 They, um, they banned live export of horses in the United States in 2003.

00:09:07.740 so in 2006 their company moved up to Alberta and just took up shop here because there's so many

00:09:14.400 loopholes agriculturally and so they've just been quietly doing it the flights go out like

00:09:19.560 four o'clock in the morning and but yeah animals animals you don't want to be an animal on this

00:09:25.020 planet uh in 2023 um the brutalities is is worse now than than it ever has been there's very few

00:09:35.400 improvements. And Canada is one of the last countries on the planet doing live horse exports.

00:09:40.800 And imagine the Budweiser horses. These aren't ponies. These aren't, these are large musculature

00:09:46.120 because they're, they're eaten raw. So they, they fly them live because they need to be killed 0.96

00:09:52.960 pretty much immediately and eaten immediately. And they want a big muscle. It's sort of like 0.98

00:09:59.260 sushi. It's like a little piece of raw red meat over a nice little package of rice and dipped in

00:10:07.700 soy sauce. And, uh, that's, that's what the rich folks are eating over there. It's certainly not

00:10:12.720 on the plate of everyday Asians or Japanese people or Korean people. It is, um, very much 0.85

00:10:19.940 a delicacy and, uh, they're making a lot of money doing it. And that's all the time we have. And

00:10:25.900 Thank you, Joe.

00:10:28.640 I know that you sat down with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:10:33.360 Did you get, how did you feel about that?

00:10:35.480 I mean, I saw, you know, did you feel any movement?

00:10:38.840 I mean, he has the power to do something.

00:10:40.560 Let's be perfectly honest.

00:10:41.900 Did you feel any movement there?

00:10:43.200 You know, he does and he doesn't.

00:10:44.420 I think there's a lot of criticism that way.

00:10:46.760 He did seek me out.

00:10:48.060 I was in Ottawa, Canada Day and his folks got in touch with the record label

00:10:53.980 and the record label got my manager and my manager tracked down my road manager.

00:10:57.800 And he came in, knocked on my door and said, can you be ready in 25 minutes to see the

00:11:01.620 prime minister?

00:11:02.160 And I said, yes.

00:11:03.040 And basically what he wanted to tell me is like, I know this is a cash grab, Jan.

00:11:07.440 I know it's terrible, but I want you to know that you are being heard. 0.99

00:11:10.860 You and your team, your horseshit team are being heard. 0.99

00:11:14.280 And he said, as far as mandating, he said, I'll be stopped at every turn. 0.99

00:11:19.680 Everything he does.

00:11:20.540 He has an opposition right now that if he had the cure to cancer, Pierre Polyev would shut him down.

00:11:27.560 So you're just you're dealing with someone's narcissism that is at such a high level that it's not about serving the people.

00:11:34.800 It's about his power. And I don't know what happened to the man in his life.

00:11:38.460 I don't know what what makes a person like that and why we end up with people going into politics that are absolutely not fit to really lead and inspire people.

00:11:50.000 and to make changes and to support people.

00:11:52.200 Anyway, long story short, he just said the faster way is a private member's bill,

00:11:57.400 which we have on the floor now.

00:11:58.820 It's going to its second vote.

00:11:59.880 Amazing.

00:12:01.140 And we also have a bill in the Senate.

00:12:04.000 So there's two bills that are absolutely about stopping,

00:12:08.640 banning the live export of horses.

00:12:10.480 And he wanted to explain that to me.

00:12:12.020 He's just like, this is the way to go.

00:12:13.920 He said, this can't be stopped.

00:12:17.360 He said, if they vote, if there's more people that vote to end it than not, this will go through and they can't screw around.

00:12:25.160 And for him to take the time to do that is very remarkable to me.

00:12:30.740 But he can't sign an order.

00:12:33.480 Oh, yeah. No, I didn't think he could.

00:12:35.260 But a lot of people think, you know, he can do it.

00:12:38.120 And unfortunately, legislature doesn't work that way.

00:12:41.060 and if it was, it would be kind of a scary way if there was one guy that could just make

00:12:48.100 these unilateral decisions. But anyway, we're getting there, Joe. We're getting there.

00:12:54.460 So when I, because I mean, obviously I talk about these things in my classroom and I'm

00:12:59.860 constantly trying to figure out new caveats, new ways. And I always do it through education. I mean,

00:13:04.520 I understand that I'm a politics teacher, but I also understand the frustration you have with

00:13:09.460 the political world and the way it works. And, you know, I've been asked to maybe run. Actually,

00:13:15.600 it was funny. I just met a lot of great folks from your neck of the woods, like Janice Irwin.

00:13:19.680 I'm a huge fan of Janice. She too is another really intrepid human that gets out there and

00:13:27.660 puts it all on the line and takes a lot of crap from people. But it's silly crap. I mean, we 1.00

00:13:34.040 take it on the, you know what I mean? It's one of those things where people think they're going to

00:13:38.780 comment on my hair are going to comment on what what sex but it's like what what where do you

00:13:45.720 think you're hurting me with that hun like where where do you really think if you can tell me that

00:13:51.660 I my logic is flawed if you can tell me that my my thoughts are broken or I'm missing something

00:13:57.720 or I'm not getting to the point cool I'm gonna listen to that even if I don't agree with it but

00:14:02.340 bring that on but I don't know who thinks I'm eight years old anymore worried about what you

00:14:07.160 say about my clothes? I don't, nobody's giving a shit about that. That kind of narrative comes 0.98

00:14:13.240 from people that absolutely have no facts. They're not critical thinkers. They haven't picked up a

00:14:18.240 book. They're in an echo chamber. They're simply repeating a thread of a conversation on social

00:14:24.800 media. They don't even know probably what the original comment was about, but they're going

00:14:28.840 to chime in because they feel powerless. You know what I hear all the time is anything that I

00:14:35.860 comment on whether it's something to do with uh being opposed to our current premier uh danielle

00:14:42.920 smith i hate to even say her name or our peer player wear word they just call me fat and they

00:14:49.800 call me ugly and they call me irrelevant and they call me a has-been and i am always thinking to

00:14:56.000 myself better to have been than to not have been at all well and fat i if that's the best you have 0.63

00:15:05.840 then i know but but then then there's part of me that actually 0.95

00:15:10.880 kind of kicks me in my own butt and says you've got to find some kind of empathy

00:15:20.100 for these people it comes from such a lack of the feeling of having no power they have no they feel 0.95

00:15:28.260 they have no say they feel invisible so the only way the only recourse for them is to insult to jab

00:15:36.980 to punch to light a building on fire to get someone to go here i am here and i find that

00:15:45.060 and they don't even understand that that's a political atmosphere that the people that they

00:15:49.220 have chosen to lead them has created for them it's made them invisible because the only way they have

00:15:56.980 to um express themselves is through vitriol not discussion not like you said you know if you've

00:16:05.220 got a problem with my thoughts or my you know a point that i'm making bring it bring at it but

00:16:10.980 when i hear that over and over and over again my irrelevance and i'm like by the fact that you are

00:16:18.740 even writing a comment to me you just made me more yeah you're you're but but they don't understand

00:16:24.900 the irony of it because they don't know what the word irony means and so I have to my heart breaks

00:16:32.540 a little bit because I'm in a position where I do have a platform I could have the media at my door

00:16:38.320 in five minutes if I really had an issue I could make a phone call and that's been 40 years of

00:16:43.680 working at my job and I'm not just singing you know I'm a writer and I'm a podcaster and I'm a

00:16:48.600 whatever it is that I do, but I just, um, I do have some sympathy for feeling that lost in it

00:16:59.860 all. It's gotta be frustrating. I, I a hundred percent agree. I try, I don't do it as much on

00:17:06.140 comments, but I try, I do a lot of lives and I do a lot of things like that. And I'll have people

00:17:09.740 coming in and punching like that. You know what I mean? What is this it or whatever they say.

00:17:13.820 and it's funny because the world i've kind of created on tiktok anyways is this world where

00:17:19.180 they know not to don't engage don't get mad give me a minute give me a minute to address them and

00:17:27.000 and maybe one out of ten times the person that's saying what is this it or blah whatever whatever

00:17:34.320 they're saying about me i say hold on you know let's just pause let's just pause and have a

00:17:39.420 conversation for a second, listen to me for five minutes, like five, give me five minutes. And if

00:17:44.360 you don't think I have something to offer, you don't think I'm leading with authenticity and a

00:17:47.800 good heart, please continue and then go about your day. And every once in a while, Jan, I win one of

00:17:52.480 those people over and I feel like a superhero. Yeah. Everybody comes and all of a sudden they're

00:17:58.920 coming back consistently to those conversations. So, and they might not agree with 80% of what I

00:18:05.500 have to say they still might stand opposed to me sort of economically or or somewhat politically

00:18:10.540 but in a humanitarian connection let's talk to each other that's the connection we're making

00:18:19.000 that's the connection they can't believe it they can't believe that you're taking time

00:18:22.400 to explain and and to hear them because then they know they have nowhere to go and good for you for

00:18:28.420 doing that if we don't care about people we don't know all is lost if we only care about the people

00:18:34.500 that we know that are close to us if we only care about the people within arm's reach if we only

00:18:40.100 care about our cousins and our three neighbors down the street if we only care about them then

00:18:45.460 all is lost so we have to care about the people that dislike us the most and we have to care

00:18:52.580 about the people that are only yelling because they don't know what else to do i think and and

00:19:01.460 going back to sort of your original mandate, a very long time ago, I saw a documentary called

00:19:07.460 Food Inc. You ever seen it? It's an old, yeah. I've seen a lot. It's really powerful. And the

00:19:14.160 person that's most powerful in that documentary actually is the gentleman who's the farmer. I

00:19:19.520 don't know if you remember his scene right in the middle of that thing. And in the middle of all of

00:19:25.140 that, he says, you know, and he's a farmer and he's not vegetarian or vegan. He's not advocating

00:19:31.140 for necessarily everybody to stop. He's saying, if we don't treat the most vulnerable with empathy

00:19:38.320 and respect as creatures on this planet, right? That feeling, that sociopathic kind of inside

00:19:47.740 momentum will carry out to other people in this world. And you don't have to look too far

00:19:54.220 when you're thinking about the individual that harms their own pet. You know, the person that

00:20:00.180 is hurting their own dog or their own animal or whatever. They're five seconds away. Stop. I'll

00:20:05.360 cry. I can't. They're five seconds away. If you don't care about animals, they're five seconds

00:20:10.720 away from hurting family members. It's connected. Right? And I think that kind of power, that is

00:20:20.920 the thing that needs to be addressed, is this idea that what we're teaching by allowing that

00:20:25.920 level of factory farming, feedlots, cows eating corn for the love that's all rational, all of

00:20:33.420 the, it doesn't make any sense, right? But we're teaching it, Jan. We're teaching all of those

00:20:43.720 things by not addressing them. So when I said I had a plan, I have a plan. I believe because we're

00:20:51.820 both, you know, obviously you're in Alberta, I'm in Ontario, but education is provincial. So

00:20:58.420 we can change government all we want and force through mandates and legislation and all of those

00:21:06.640 things and push those grown men and women to do the right thing. But the problem is

00:21:11.400 some of them, a lot of them never learned, never were given the opportunity to have this

00:21:18.200 information put in front of them why isn't it in our curriculum and i'm not talking about

00:21:25.000 advocating how you should eat and what i am saying this is what happens this is how this system works

00:21:33.720 this is how the system works and this is that's that whole thing about you know uh we feed 50 or

00:21:41.880 60 billion farm animals every year millions of which die every day and we can't feed 8 million

00:21:48.520 8 billion people but we can like the water this isn't sustainable for a million reasons

00:21:56.200 they are deforesting they are clearing the amazon to graze cattle they are clearing forests they are

00:22:03.000 75 percent this is fact this is not some fictitious thing 75 percent of land use in the united states

00:22:12.460 of america and we could comparatively say that that is a number that very easily bleeds into

00:22:17.920 the same continent of land use is for meat and the production of meat so the the um that it's

00:22:27.580 unthinkable the water to hydrate and raise cattle and ship ship them whatever the case may be i mean 0.84

00:22:38.460 you talk about a carbon footprint you know just getting back to the horseshit thing

00:22:42.460 um everything we're being asked to do by some governments i mean do as i say don't do as i do

00:22:48.460 right but carbon footprint fly less eat local eat more plants meatless monday uh right you know

00:22:56.840 be mindful to take a more ecological vacation you know do something local it's the antithesis

00:23:03.320 flying giant horses 8 000 kilometers away for wealthy people to eat because there they don't

00:23:11.640 have the land they don't have the water they don't have the resources to raise an animal of that size

00:23:18.400 and stature they know it's detrimental to their tiny environment in japan and korea and asia

00:23:25.840 surrounding areas they know it's not manageable but rich people will pay for somebody else to

00:23:32.000 wreck their stuff so that they can do that just out of sheer convenience um so it's so

00:23:38.900 a four-year-old will tell you that it's wrong i trust a four-year-old logic i trust those kids

00:23:45.720 you can ask them a question you can give them a scenario what do you think of this 0.76

00:23:49.980 they'll tell you it's wrong and they'll tell you how silly it is so you know but you're

00:23:56.680 joe education education you know all those old adages about if slaughterhouses were glass

00:24:03.540 if people could see that if they could show children but they're

00:24:07.660 kids are getting it the internet right they're up to now look up their look up that's why they

00:24:13.180 ag gag that's why all new laws just came into canada again they just voted them through in the

00:24:17.580 house that they will arrest. And, you know, they'll basically throw people away that are

00:24:26.860 exposing animal cruelty in agricultural settings. It's just like, oh my God.

00:24:34.400 Is that a federal law?

00:24:36.500 It's federal.

00:24:38.480 See, at the end of the day, though, we can't, I'm going to have to look into that law,

00:24:44.020 So I don't know how it applies specifically, but at the end of the day, creating a course, creating a piece of education, passing different provinces and then pushing that through so that a 16 year old has the choice to sit down and learn about political systems, economic systems, world religions, math, science, and how on God's green earth are they not learning about the food they eat, where it comes from and how it works.

00:25:14.020 Yes.

00:25:15.020 Right?

00:25:16.020 Yep.

00:25:17.020 And there's the change, because I'll tell you, Jan, I worked with them for 21 years.

00:25:22.320 They're so much smarter than us.

00:25:24.220 They're so much more aware than us, just like you said about that four-year-old.

00:25:28.960 But we need to give them the tools.

00:25:32.860 They should be demanding the tools and the educational resources to understand how it

00:25:38.500 works.

00:25:39.500 government that says that can't be a course yet that's what's on my plate how do you fight that

00:25:48.140 in the media no it it's nonsensical education is the way forward it's like anything else

00:25:57.180 we're finally getting at a place with the live horse exports because of awareness so very much

00:26:02.460 like you say a course awareness awareness when you know you know and oprah god she said some

00:26:08.380 great things over the years but when you know better you do better right and you can't unknow

00:26:13.900 things that's why most of us have ptsd because you know we're just kind of locked and loaded and and

00:26:22.060 and it all affects us and kids have so much on their plates no pun intended so much on their

00:26:27.900 plates that you know i acknowledge they know is power they know that the more that they know

00:26:36.140 they can fight the political system they can you know all these people are going to be able to

00:26:41.740 vote in a few years as well and that's where the power lies is is not having pierre polyev not

00:26:50.140 having men and women like that running for office and and being in being in power it's so scary to

00:27:02.060 me watching this unfold because of hatred we hate this guy so much that we're going to get this guy 0.62

00:27:08.860 in who we also don't like like holy moses what a way to make a choice what a way to inform your 0.50

00:27:16.700 political future and because based on who you hate less yeah well that's been the way it's been

00:27:26.460 you know in canada for well in in general for quite some time but specifically in canada

00:27:31.740 because we have three part I know we have more than three but three main political parties and

00:27:36.220 it's always strategically where am I going to vote so this person doesn't get in so this person

00:27:40.900 doesn't get in but the thing about fear and and its opposition which is education the reason why

00:27:47.560 it's such a driver and you've tapped into it already is because when I don't have the knowledge

00:27:54.560 when I'm scared that I can't put food on the table when my family is broken when my job has

00:28:01.140 gone to another country. When all of these things are true and an individual gets up there and says,

00:28:06.460 I know who to blame. It's them. Right? Who does that remind you of in 1939? It's the same mentality.

00:28:15.640 It's the same, but it drives this very fundamental thing in somebody's gut that not only do they not

00:28:23.380 have the resources or the intelligence to pick better, but maybe they don't have the fortitude

00:28:28.840 depict better because they're so afraid. They're so afraid that turning that stone and that sort

00:28:36.720 of mirror helps mitigate that. Yeah. Right. Yep. So listen, this is what I want to do with you.

00:28:45.200 And I know you've given me a lot of your time. No, we're good. I'm sitting there with sleeping

00:28:50.360 dogs. Yeah, we're fine. Okay. Fantastic. I honestly believe, and I know you have 7,000

00:28:56.620 things to do but i would love to try to create a course create a curriculum that taps in unit by

00:29:06.620 unit the things that you would find the most essential on sort of a a base level in order

00:29:15.580 to create a course that that mirrors that yeah that reflects that because then it's something

00:29:21.500 tangible and and to be honest jan it's something you i could teach anywhere right it doesn't matter

00:29:29.020 where it is but you want to go through a course people are often like joe can you just teach me

00:29:33.580 grade 10 history and i'm like no i gotta teach my grade 10s but people are dying for information and

00:29:41.100 you said the internet is a beautiful thing which it is but holy crap is it overwhelming

00:29:46.700 well find the answer you want to find even if it's an incorrect answer you'll you'll find

00:29:50.780 an argument for it so yeah you need a human being standing in front of you compassionately giving

00:29:56.140 you options about ideas and once again that whole idea about being a critical thinker getting your

00:30:01.020 information from more than one source it's what's happened it's what happened with covid and and

00:30:07.180 vaccines and all the stuff where people are getting information that's absolutely egregious

00:30:12.620 it's just not real it's not steeped in anything real but you will never undo whatever that they've

00:30:19.740 seen or heard or whatever and because they've so invested themselves they will die denying

00:30:27.980 the truth and we saw that over and over again we saw people on their deathbeds the united states

00:30:33.500 saying i don't have covid yeah we saw it all over the world that they were just so invested in i'm

00:30:40.140 not going to be duped i'm not going to succumb to science i'm not going to believe it it's really

00:30:46.780 hard to watch it. I just got my sixth COVID shot, my booster. And I don't, I haven't even posted

00:30:54.120 that because I'm like, you know what? I don't think I'm up for that today. I'm not quite up for

00:31:00.880 you fat, whatever, blah, blah, blah. I just, I'm like, I don't even want other people to see it on

00:31:06.960 my feed because my friends and my fans are more upset by that than usually I am. And it's

00:31:12.960 It's disruptive to anything else you want to do during the day.

00:31:16.240 So I haven't, I'm not even mentioning it, but if there's any way I can help you, you

00:31:22.540 know, or be part of this, this type of a course, if I can be a guest speaker or someone that

00:31:31.700 can talk about the live exports or, you know, becoming a plant-based person and all the

00:31:38.720 myriad reasons why that happened and how that has to do with alcoholism and you know being

00:31:46.300 marginalized and all those things they're all interconnected it's really it would be oh very

00:31:53.000 much so and uh unraveling that as i'm getting older has been alarming and kind of liberating

00:31:59.240 to see the connectors and wondering hmm this is why we do this and this is why we're controlling

00:32:05.300 this and this is why we don't want to be told this but honestly animal like i said animal agriculture

00:32:12.980 the demented nature of it and the massive scale scale people cannot fathom what it takes walk

00:32:22.180 into a ball stadium next time and any of you guys listening if you're going to like in toronto i

00:32:28.580 I went to my first ball game and I couldn't even enjoy myself because I was thinking about

00:32:35.320 the, how many people are in there?

00:32:37.920 30, 40,000?

00:32:39.380 Okay.

00:32:40.260 It was, it was full.

00:32:41.760 And I was like, oh my God, I feel like a Roman gladiator, like walking.

00:32:46.320 And I'm thinking these people are going to have one or two hot dogs.

00:32:50.780 They're going to have things. 0.99

00:32:52.520 They're going to have nachos with fucking pork or whatever. 0.99

00:32:56.760 Sorry, I didn't mean to swear. 0.98

00:32:57.440 but i it overwhelmed me for a second i i was taken aback by the amount of cruelty the amount of

00:33:06.020 animals that had to be involved with the cheese sauce with every aspect of that game the leather

00:33:15.780 on their gloves everybody's shoes i just was like holy cow and it bothered me to the point

00:33:24.200 where like something really does have to give this isn't it's it's immoral and we have to have

00:33:34.280 a better compass it's our responsibility I put this on my Instagram the other day forget who

00:33:40.940 said it we have to have a better moral compass than our parents or our grandparents we have to

00:33:46.240 be more ethical it's up to us it's not the circle of life well that's the way things are done it

00:33:52.480 it's not that lie people tell you that's a lie so that cruelty can continue that they can keep

00:33:59.200 cutting tails off that they can keep branding animals that they can cut their you know castrate

00:34:04.640 them without any anesthetic that the things that go on in order to make it work it's unthinkable

00:34:11.840 and because i've taken the time to know yeah i'm bothered by it pretty much 24 hours a day yeah

00:34:17.520 I think also, you know, when you talked about your grandparents, those generations, funnily enough, were more ethical because they didn't have this mass corporate formation of consumption.

00:34:34.520 consumption there, you know, and I often talk about that because I've, I've people, obviously

00:34:40.160 I have, I know people who are indigenous. I know people who hunt, I know people. And I'm like,

00:34:44.640 listen, listen, hunting an animal, killing that, being respectful to that, using every piece.

00:34:52.080 Do you think that all reflects what I'm talking about when I talk about the way that Tyson does

00:34:57.940 chicken like it's not there's no correlation there's no correlation and anyone that assumes

00:35:04.580 that i would think that what you know i talked about uh the seal hunt which is the commercial

00:35:09.700 hunting of seals a bunch of guys running around like maniacs this mass culling do you think

00:35:16.580 it has anything to do with an inuit family uh inuit community taking what they need making clothes 0.51

00:35:26.020 there's no correlation and you know what i shouldn't need to preface that by going

00:35:30.100 oh there's a caveat here there i don't need to do that because you know and and any indigenous person

00:35:38.180 has to be appalled at the wastefulness and the mass abuse you know yes my um i have a very good 1.00

00:35:46.740 indigenous friend they go berry picking i've been very picking with them many times over the years 1.00

00:35:51.380 and and i've learned a lot from just being out with her and her kids and it's just like 0.99

00:35:55.880 we only take half and she's always kind of admonishing her girls but her girls know

00:36:00.440 don't pick everything off the tree leave half just take the half because the kids are like oh

00:36:05.980 those are good ones she goes no leave them because and uh and i'm listening in she's no the birds

00:36:11.880 she goes the bears eat those she goes everybody needs to have their share and so i i used to just 0.67

00:36:20.420 pick the damn things i'd like take every berry off and i'd walk away from the poor saskatoon bush

00:36:27.020 like there ain't nothing left and it almost embarrassed me because i just i didn't stop 0.95

00:36:32.820 long enough to think about everybody else that was in line for this stuff so you're right and

00:36:38.100 thank you for pointing that out because it's not you know if you're out hunting you know to support

00:36:43.220 your family as much as i could never do that people don't understand listen if you're walking

00:36:49.180 through a grocery store, um, you don't think about what happened to those animals. So anyway,

00:36:57.200 well, that's the separation, right? That's the brilliance that they've done. That's the,

00:37:02.300 the little dance that they do when they package it and they, they clean it and it's all,

00:37:08.540 it's very much removed. I spent a few years ago, 2016, maybe I was in Tanzania and, um,

00:37:16.060 I was with my students. We were building a school, a foundation. Anyways, it was absolutely amazing.

00:37:26.780 But these individuals, like this community we were with, they obviously relied on animals,

00:37:33.160 but they were very, very limited in how they would use that animal, if they were going to

00:37:39.440 use that animal and how they would share food. And as a thank you, as a tribute, they, this

00:37:47.080 community that we helped gifted us a goat for the celebration, like for, and my kids were like,

00:37:53.700 a goat, like they didn't quite get what, what it was a gift for. And so we took it back and I had

00:38:03.800 some of my students, I'm like, guys, listen, we're going to gift this. You can love this goat.

00:38:09.800 We'll gift it to somebody else. We will provide something for the celebration for these people.

00:38:14.820 We will buy that. But I don't think you guys want it to be this goat. But then we had this

00:38:19.380 beautiful conversation with some Maasai and people of that community. And they talked to my kids.

00:38:24.620 Some of them didn't want any part of it. They talked to the kids about how they would, like,

00:38:29.300 what would be involved in slaughtering the goat and how they would give thanks and how they would

00:38:33.320 use it. And I had kids, Jan, like I was there because my kids were, I mean, I knew it was

00:38:39.180 going to happen, but I needed to be there because if we don't put ourselves in that position,

00:38:44.980 we don't know, we don't know. And if we don't know, how dare we walk around with our collars

00:38:52.700 popped, proclaiming that we're some sort of, you know, evolved individual. And again, I'm not,

00:39:00.120 you know, advocating the way people live and what they eat is one thing, but talking about

00:39:04.960 the commercialization and it's all about profit and it's all about billion dollar companies

00:39:11.300 making more money, not about health and welfare of people. Even when you come down to how sick

00:39:20.920 we all get from eating the food that's been produced the way that we've talked about it.

00:39:24.820 oh it's it's an endless stream but you know even within tradition there lies problems as well

00:39:33.540 and traditions traditions can tangle us up in lifestyles that aren't necessarily the correct

00:39:45.780 way to treat the planet when you have visibly upset children that are learning that lesson

00:39:52.340 like kids when you walk by the aisle and you see ground round and when you see through loin steaks

00:39:57.620 i've often thought how interesting would it be and we saw this happen with the tobacco industry

00:40:02.260 over the years is you know all of a sudden we started seeing freaking weird teeth and lungs

00:40:08.420 and these little pictures on the cigarette packets we're like oh my god that's so yeah

00:40:13.380 is that a tongue like what am i looking at and you know when they were having the conversation

00:40:18.340 about smoking causes cancer and and the big tobacco companies were losing that battle and

00:40:24.340 they had to sticker the products and i often thought man it'd be so great if we could sticker

00:40:30.020 meat if we could sticker uh you know a million chickens hanging by a foot foaming at the mouth

00:40:41.380 you know making this pathetic sound being wung around a conveyor a living breathing 0.61

00:40:46.740 animal that it's it's unbelievable to me it's a far cry and you you said it very succinctly joe of 0.77

00:40:56.660 grandparents and great-grandparents going out into a yard and most people did live rural most

00:41:02.740 people didn't live in cities because they had to have eggs and things and milk and they were making

00:41:07.700 a living and they worked the land and but they'd go out my my grandmother brentley and grabbed a 0.78

00:41:12.980 chicken and twisted its head and it was in the pot about 10 minutes later and that chicken lived

00:41:19.840 a grand life a privileged life of table scraps and and a life with family and and all of it like

00:41:28.060 and i'm not saying so that ship has sailed it it wasn't in a crate you know profoundly

00:41:36.740 modified where the breasts are so big in six weeks that it can't hold itself up what we're

00:41:47.860 doing is profoundly immoral and I don't know how we get back to it but veganism is a clear highway

00:41:56.280 to one of the biggest ways of saving the planet and some of the greatest minds that we have

00:42:03.340 whether it's Bill Gates, whether it's Jane Goodall, these are people that are living on

00:42:10.120 the front lines of environmental issues and animal issues and human issues. And they're

00:42:16.980 telling us this is the way forward. And cruelty has a profound effect karmically on us as

00:42:24.120 well. And you alluded to that. I can't quite remember how you put it, but just how it permeates

00:42:32.500 our day-to-day lives of what's happening to other beings you know it reduces our ability to

00:42:41.460 empathize yeah that was very well said and um i'll think about that for a long time and it's it's the

00:42:48.960 truth but something's got to give it can't it's not sustainable and we're seeing a planet that's

00:42:56.340 it's just it's leaning in on itself and it's tired and people are feeling it the stuff in

00:43:01.920 middle east has it's almost like oh no another thing ukraine russia was happening and the the

00:43:09.280 the collateral damage of animals like women children people that are not fighting people

00:43:14.880 that are not sending bombs the collateral damage of birds billions of birds

00:43:23.120 millions and millions of cats and dogs and lambs and sheep and it's just

00:43:28.480 the world feels it and we feel it because we're so connected like i haven't had a decent night's

00:43:36.500 sleep in three weeks because i keep thinking how grateful i am to be in my house and to live in

00:43:42.580 these trees but i cannot extricate myself which you have reminded us all of of my connection to

00:43:51.520 them and this is happening to real people and real animals there's some kid holding on to a dead

00:43:57.800 kitten right now in the rubble covered in good and doesn't even know where to

00:44:04.280 have a drink of water it's it's wrong what's going on so these these are all

00:44:09.140 interconnected things the way we're treating each other other living things

00:44:12.800 and there's a way of doing this that's got to be better and maybe you're right

00:44:17.480 this does start with education how do we teach people a different way Joe how do

00:44:23.200 do we teach a different way of thinking and making our way through the world? I don't know.

00:44:30.220 Well, I think it has to start. I mean, I think it starts with, you know, the course that hopefully

00:44:35.540 that we get to talk about and sort of build out because it's definitely not, I don't want to

00:44:39.900 pretend. I don't want to give the pretense that this is my wheelhouse because it's not like, I

00:44:43.940 I mean, I feel a little educated, not a lot educated.

00:44:49.340 But I remember with the war in Kuwait a long time ago, obviously, when, you know, NATO went in or the United States went in and bombed the heck out of it.

00:45:02.440 And there was oil literally raining from the, do you remember that?

00:45:05.680 Do you remember those images?

00:45:06.820 And there was this image in a movie.

00:45:09.200 It was just a movie.

00:45:09.920 I don't know if it was real life.

00:45:10.740 And there was, it was a very symbolic, a white horse just being covered in oil in the middle

00:45:17.480 of these fields that Saddam had set on fire as we're bombing the hell out of it. 0.58

00:45:22.720 And I remember watching that, I think it was in Jarhead or something. 0.77

00:45:25.540 I remember watching that and I thought, now there's the symbol.

00:45:30.720 And again, people like to disconnect themselves from animals.

00:45:35.940 Go ahead and try to do that all you want.

00:45:37.540 But that gets to be a symbol of things that are vulnerable that we don't care about, but that are going to be burdened with the weight of all of the horrible things we choose to do or we allow to happen.

00:45:53.600 There it is.

00:45:54.980 And there's an innocence there. 0.99

00:45:57.080 Because what the fuck? 0.99

00:45:57.960 They've never done a single thing wrong, yet they're bearing the weight of everything we are doing. 0.99

00:46:04.920 And what are we doing it for?

00:46:06.100 Well, the answer is easy. We're doing it for profit. And there's the, I say these things,

00:46:12.560 everybody calls me communist seven ways to Sunday, but communism was all about profit too. Nobody

00:46:18.040 really watched those countries. Listen, we do it for profit. We do it because we think

00:46:23.600 it makes sense that my government, my corporation, my people make more money than your people do.

00:46:31.700 so i get to control and wield how we do things so i can make more it's about that mass consumption so

00:46:39.380 of course we would look at animals the same way we look at everything the same way think about

00:46:46.580 the correlation with religion of what you're just saying bearing the weight sacrificing one's own

00:46:52.020 life for the good of the people so they can go on there's so many ideological that the dogma of

00:47:00.420 religion of of how we put ourselves above well no we this was our god-given right these animals

00:47:09.700 here the bible sent us off in a direction that we were it's just been such a fight the last

00:47:16.500 2 000 years to try and explain stuff that was written by a bunch of guys of course the stuff

00:47:24.020 that the women wrote, any testimony was long since buried in some cave in a jar.

00:47:28.740 Yeah, that doesn't make it.

00:47:30.340 It's just nobody sees that. They still don't accept it. That's always going to be something,

00:47:36.660 but just that it's our right. It's our God-given right to take the lives of others and to

00:47:43.140 discriminately do what we need to do in order for us to survive. We're not going to survive

00:47:49.940 about animals, that I know.

00:47:51.660 I don't want to live in a world with no animals.

00:47:53.700 Well, we wouldn't, listen, David Suzuki once said,

00:47:57.140 if ants died, all the ants on the planet died today,

00:48:00.820 this earth would shut down, would begin to die immediately.

00:48:04.840 And this is the unfortunate reality.

00:48:06.400 If all humans were off the planet,

00:48:09.080 the world would get healthier immediately.

00:48:12.500 Immediately, I'm not advocating anything.

00:48:16.360 No, no, no, I love it.

00:48:17.600 I'm simply saying, right, this is where the problem lies in our great intellect, in our great ability to think and critically analyze.

00:48:28.940 This is what separates us from the animals, yet we are utilizing it in such a fashion that we want, you know, what, a $300,000 car?

00:48:41.660 That's the goal of our society?

00:48:43.760 Because it's all intertwined, right?

00:48:46.580 It's all connected.

00:48:47.600 yeah we want raw horse at a fancy restaurant in japan somewhere to impress our friends

00:48:54.980 they're probably there it is and how is that it's all driven by and i hate to say this because

00:49:02.780 again i i don't i don't like giving um i guess a voice to anything ridiculous but 0.87

00:49:08.860 the Make America Great Again logo, the cliche, the tagline is unfortunately goddamn brilliant 0.55

00:49:18.640 because it's tapping into exactly what you said, tradition and nostalgia. And if you can tap into

00:49:26.600 that in a person, in a heartfelt, like in a- The good old day. The good old day. Everybody wants,

00:49:33.360 when you were eight, everything was the good old days. If you lived in a half decent house, why?

00:49:38.020 because you weren't too unaware of why it was crappy no you didn't know what to like that 0.99

00:49:45.140 no they they took you to the shriner circus to see a fucking dancing bear 0.98

00:49:50.540 but you didn't think about what was behind that everything seemed great you got your souvenir 0.99

00:49:57.860 you came home and had a hot dog and uh you know watched disney and didn't know any of the crap

00:50:05.140 about Walt Disney or any of it everything seemed because it was clandestine and it was it was

00:50:12.240 mired in in just just cloaked in kind of darkness the horses have always gone out at four o'clock

00:50:19.700 in the morning there's 10-foot walls around the building where they're loaded into now

00:50:23.420 everything's done so that people don't know they hate me they hate what the Canadian Horse

00:50:29.220 Coalition has done because it's awareness this is what's happening because they knew people

00:50:33.900 aren't going to like this they're not going to like the idea of a horse kicking and foaming at

00:50:39.140 the mouth and being terrified falling on top of each other in severe turbulence going over the

00:50:44.360 pacific ocean never being able to right themselves doesn't matter if their legs are broken and

00:50:48.260 and one of them is dead in the crate that's okay because we can still eat the other three

00:50:52.500 and kill that right away it happens all the time but once the wheels are up it's the importer's

00:50:57.700 issue not the exporter anyway but it's all the interconnected what we don't know is the good old

00:51:04.520 day that's it so the seeming the seeming you know like if you want to look at you you talked about

00:51:12.900 1939 and a very sinister thing happening and it's happened many times on this many times in many

00:51:20.240 different ways and always the same goddamn plan you dehumanize you make them them whoever they 0.97

00:51:27.600 are you make them less human and my problem with that is you turn them into what animals 0.94

00:51:36.560 if we didn't view animals with such animals we wouldn't be able to utilize that fundamental

00:51:44.480 principle to minimize humanity in order to do to a group of humans what we consistently do

00:51:51.200 across this world to animals constantly every day there it is yeah it's it's impossible

00:51:58.640 to unhook them from each other it's impossible well what are we going to do like if we stop

00:52:05.120 eating cows and then what happens to all the cows you stop impregnating them and you stop mass

00:52:12.080 producing them and guess what they just diminish you have a few kicking around do you want to like

00:52:19.280 graze land and maybe do it properly and actually have grazers that bring a lot of positivity to

00:52:25.680 how grasses grow right yeah it's all interconnected but i had to give up how i used to run my industry

00:52:35.840 hundreds of thousands of us in the music industry had to submit to a new world of streaming we had

00:52:44.000 to let go of old ideas we had to let go of the idea of a compact disc and an eight track tape

00:52:50.080 and a cassette and an lp although there's still lps kicking the lps are coming back yeah we had to

00:52:58.080 give up 90 of income streams we had to really just rely on live work and we did it because

00:53:05.200 the world was changing and it wasn't sustainable the the model that they had but you tell that to

00:53:11.920 to the meat industry. So I had to face it. Hundreds of thousands of my, my, um, fellow

00:53:18.280 collaborators had to do it. It's not, it wasn't negotiable. Napster came, income streams

00:53:25.980 disappeared, thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs because

00:53:31.340 they weren't needed. So you look at animal agriculture, the model's changing. So dairy

00:53:39.960 farms are closing down constantly it's never it's unprecedented what's happening now in the united

00:53:44.940 states in particular thousands of dairy farms if you go in and you see plant-based bilks now

00:53:50.660 the case is getting wider and wider and wider in the uk they're even more far farther ahead of us

00:53:57.480 than we are right um it's not sustainable there's a backlash with young people that you said you're

00:54:03.380 16 year olds you're 15 year olds those guys that are learning like i don't need to drink milk to

00:54:09.560 get calcium. This isn't, you know, it's part of the food pyramid in North America because of

00:54:15.420 lobbyists and because of people paying big money to have dairy right smack dab in the middle of

00:54:20.240 that triangle. It is a lie of epic proportions. You can get more calcium from spinach than you

00:54:26.240 ever will from a glass of milk. And dairy is quite problematic. Like, again, nobody, everybody talks

00:54:33.440 about what you get from it. But why don't they have to change, Joe? That's my question. Why

00:54:37.560 Why doesn't the industry have to change because the world is changing?

00:54:43.060 And they're like, no, it's our livelihood. 0.99

00:54:45.560 What about my fucking livelihood? 0.99

00:54:47.520 Your livelihood wouldn't have changed either unless it was forced. 0.98

00:54:52.480 So all of those industries you're talking about are never, ever, ever giving it up.

00:54:59.180 It can never be left up to them.

00:55:01.140 It can't be.

00:55:02.000 And the only reason the music industry had to, it had to shift because all of a sudden there was a power shift because I could record something and throw it on my computer and send it to my friend in Germany like that.

00:55:13.740 But the consumer liked it.

00:55:15.660 There it is.

00:55:16.440 The consumer liked the convenience.

00:55:18.780 And it was less expensive.

00:55:21.120 It was less expensive.

00:55:22.640 Everything.

00:55:23.640 Imagine the disc.

00:55:24.660 Imagine the plastic.

00:55:25.820 Imagine the hundreds of millions of plastic discs that are now not being made.

00:55:32.000 that is this many like i have a book of cds i'm like what do i do with these anymore millions

00:55:41.200 and millions and millions of gallons of water imagine the hundreds of millions of of cubic

00:55:49.440 yards of methane co2 like all those things that dairy is massively responsible for 0.76

00:55:58.800 cow shit a lot piles of it you have to get it all out of there yeah and you have to take it

00:56:06.840 somewhere and do something with it so that that is just once again our four-year-old is showing up 0.99

00:56:13.680 well then don't do that anymore use plants and we'll adjust we'll adjust and people will feel

00:56:24.520 better. I love it that they're like, well, I'm lactose intolerant. Well, you're drinking a cow's

00:56:31.640 baby's milk. I haven't had a crap for six days because my husband and I ate so much cheese 0.98

00:56:38.480 on the cruise ship. Well, don't eat cheese because your digestive system is being bombarded with 0.96

00:56:50.420 stuff it cannot work with so but oh no we're gonna fight it why joe oh it tastes so good and it's

00:56:58.660 what and even bigger than that it's because there's lots of things that taste good because i

00:57:03.400 think even bigger than that you're tapping into what they've always done and what they've always

00:57:10.620 done whether that be tv shows they watch whether that be the clothes that whatever there there's a

00:57:15.740 sense of comfortability with that and a sense of peace and a sense of consistency. And I think

00:57:22.980 people are so desperate to ward off rampant change. Because let's be honest, the last 20 years,

00:57:31.260 since the invention of the internet, the rate of change has been at a higher graph line that I

00:57:40.180 could even pause every second is changing and that makes us all we nobody likes change but it makes

00:57:46.480 us all very very anxious and all we're trying to hold on to are things that are the same so that

00:57:52.180 doesn't feel so it's it's a mind melt like it doesn't work but we're trying real hard to keep

00:57:57.900 it in there because it makes us feel safe and in control two things we know deep down we're not

00:58:04.320 we can't be because guess what you want to talk about rates of cancer and I know you know I know

00:58:12.100 what well it's just like would you like the same cancer treatment that they offered you 50 years

00:58:18.200 ago exactly I want science I want the change I want the innovation of great thinkers I want the

00:58:26.220 innovation of discovery. So I do, I love change. I like, I mean, I don't want to like abandon my

00:58:34.900 house. I don't want to move and things like that. I'm terrible with things like that. I love

00:58:38.420 my trees and my house. So I totally am with you on that a hundred percent. But as far as

00:58:43.000 the innovation and what's available to me and how things can be easier to me and make my life

00:58:52.140 easier, but more how it can help the planet. Like I'm so interested in all, all those kinds of

00:58:58.000 things, but I just, uh, I'm so, I'm so intrigued by your idea of this course in, and then we got

00:59:06.440 to go province to province, Jen. Well, it's not a federal course, right? You can't, it can't be,

00:59:12.860 and that's, and it's kind of the brilliance of it because provincial governments are much more

00:59:19.260 easily accessible and, and not easy. I'm so interested. You know, the funny thing, I don't

00:59:25.980 know if what, what you know about me, but my childhood dream was to be a teacher. So my

00:59:31.780 childhood dream was to be you. My childhood dream was to be an academic. I dreamt of, I've always

00:59:39.320 loved literature and my, uh, but my, my dream was to be, you know, in university, I pictured myself,

00:59:46.740 I even pictured myself with glasses. I didn't have glasses at the time. And I pictured myself

00:59:51.360 in one of those big lecture halls and learning and having my book bag and, and going to school

00:59:57.680 and saying, you know, Miss Richards, can you, those are my dreams. And the odd thing that life

01:00:03.420 does sometimes is it picks you up and moves you. And, and, you know, I was singing in bars and I

01:00:11.260 was out of high school and on the streets. And then I was, you know, I was writing songs, but I

01:00:18.240 never, I never thought I can't, someone like me can't do someone like that. And all of a sudden

01:00:23.880 I'm in my late twenties. Academia is further and further away. And I thought I'm not smart enough.

01:00:30.020 I don't have what it takes to do that. It's too late. And I was working with people and they're

01:00:37.520 like, we can get your, I mean, it took forever to get a record deal, but you know, here I am

01:00:40.960 but you know just the idea of uh of just teaching people that to me is the profession of

01:00:50.960 one of the greatest professions in all of human history and uh is the only hope

01:00:59.140 the only hope for us to go forward is education knowledge is peace

01:01:09.020 knowledge is freedom knowledge is liberation knowledge is love knowledge holds the key

01:01:17.760 plato socrates aristotle all those people every all those great thinkers can tell you that and

01:01:25.860 the ideas haven't changed in thousands of years of how important it is to know oneself and to know

01:01:33.120 others and to know stuff and to keep knowing it so i honor you joe i i just think you know you

01:01:43.620 are a teacher right well you know you are you have to know that that's what you have you got fame

01:01:51.600 and you got you know all of this access and just like you said you could have the media at your

01:01:57.820 door at any moment and you could you have all of these things you have this amazing tv show

01:02:02.980 you've written books, you could do all of these things. And what do you choose to do with that

01:02:07.480 level of social power? You don't buy the $300,000 car and drop, you teach. That's who you are. So

01:02:17.480 it's funny, you always wanted to be a teacher, you think you needed to go through traditional

01:02:21.520 means to get there. But I see teachers all over the place. All over the place, I see teachers,

01:02:28.660 I see people gain celebrity and all of a sudden get, you know, figure out and become incredibly educated about mental health.

01:02:36.340 And they're talking about it in a way and accessing millions of people with that.

01:02:43.020 That's a teacher. Taylor Swift just got 40,000 people to sign up to vote in like a day.

01:02:49.780 That's a teacher. They all you all. That's what you do.

01:02:53.560 oh yeah i mean fame is a vapid vacuous weird thing if it is pointed inward in a narcissistic

01:03:02.280 way it's the most uncomfortable thing to be around in a room with a person like this and

01:03:08.360 and not so much even in entertainment you know if you have a narcissistic dentist it you know it

01:03:14.600 yeah you feel it and it's a very it's a very uneasy feeling um my my great great friend

01:03:20.840 maryanne seeley who's 91 um we've become friends over the last 20 years and every day i talk to her

01:03:29.400 is like my mind explodes with her simple wisdom with things she says that always reminds me

01:03:39.640 to be where i am to bloom where i am to to make sure i take time for myself not in a way that's

01:03:47.640 saccharine or weird or self-serving but to take time for myself to care about myself to be healthy

01:03:56.980 and well and to you know because i'm so even keeled i don't when i quit drinking my anxiety

01:04:04.980 went away my depression went away like i am as even as anyone you will ever meet right behavior

01:04:11.680 is so consistent and for me to go through the world so anyone that knows me knows I'm reliable

01:04:20.200 that I'm a person of my word that I if I have a problem I'm going to tell you what it is I'm not

01:04:27.620 going to lie to you so Marianne has really instilled in me the value of those seemingly

01:04:34.980 unimportant things in the big scheme of the world but that those are my that's my bag of tricks 0.98

01:04:44.540 is my character and i wish people really understood that and yeah i can sling shit on 0.97

01:04:52.520 twitter i once told a guy to screw his eye socket i didn't say screw i used the other word 0.84

01:04:57.760 and i thought i said it's just a suggestion but yeah and i always defend myself i'm like i didn't 0.60

01:05:04.060 call him fat. I didn't call him ugly. I didn't call him stupid. I didn't call him anything. I 0.79

01:05:08.820 said, you can go your eye socket. It was just a suggestion. What was the sense of the screwing of

01:05:14.480 the eye socket or the eye socket? Anyway, people bring that up all the time. Oh yeah, you're so

01:05:18.720 kind. I'm like, not the greatest thing I ever said, but at the time it really fulfilled a very

01:05:24.380 primal desire in my heart to say something to this person who was just. There is no way you can,

01:05:32.640 like the notion that you're always going to keep like this sort of high ground. I'm never going

01:05:38.020 to engage. I mean, there's only so many shots I'll take before I have to give one back. But I have a

01:05:45.860 lot. I like to think I have a long fuse, but it's a very short lead. Like once you hit me that one

01:05:52.580 time too many, well, now I'm sorry. Now you're going to, you'll probably tear a little bit,

01:05:56.900 but that's just the game we have to play yeah exactly well you just you keep me posted on

01:06:03.620 the province to heaven jan and jess uh i'm in class i'm totally into it i i would love to talk

01:06:11.700 to you i need sort of a framework and i will try to build it out so maybe if we can go back and

01:06:16.620 forth a little bit with that i'll try to give you what i'm thinking um because then next year would

01:06:22.500 be so prime for me january february would be so perfect because i have space all right you want

01:06:31.940 me to create a course by january jan at least you're not setting the parts for me february

01:06:39.000 no listen you threw it down i'm gonna now make it happen like that's it thinking january

01:06:48.660 Well, it does have a nice sort of tie to it, doesn't it?

01:06:52.140 Yeah.

01:06:52.400 But anyway, I just, knowledge is power.

01:06:55.260 And I think there's, the way you teach is, it's filled with humor and these nuggets of that acerbic, sardonic.

01:07:05.600 I love it because it comes at you, your physicality and how you play to a camera.

01:07:11.340 But it always gets, like I said, when I come across it, I'm like, I got to see what the hell she's saying.

01:07:15.560 and but i always learn something you know i'm always like okay true to that and i keep myself

01:07:24.480 in check too because i'm like i don't need to be like that i don't want to be that person

01:07:28.740 i don't want to be that person either and one thing about me too when i'm wrong i say i'm wrong

01:07:35.320 and i apologize yes i just i'm like i'm gonna do better next time right and uh you know i just

01:07:42.580 anyhow we keep going and we are built for change and we're here to become

01:07:49.260 people that's what this whole thing is we're just becoming people and it's not

01:07:55.060 this perfect thing you don't get it right every time you're like oh it did

01:07:58.000 oh my god i'm at another level what level are you at i'm at level 1074

01:08:02.320 oh my god i got to another level no it's like up one level and then you 0.93

01:08:07.980 I fucking fall off the cliff and you're like, Jesus Christ, I'm at zero again. 0.83

01:08:13.380 Absolutely. But it's, it is that back and forth that has to give us that insight, right? 0.99

01:08:18.400 That back and forth. If we don't ever fall, we don't, all those cheesy cliches. But, but the

01:08:24.080 reality is besides picking yourself back up, if you learn something in that minute, you won't fall

01:08:30.420 the same way twice. There's the key. Everybody's always like, pick yourself back up. But people

01:08:34.740 tend to run on the same freaking wheel. If you learned what you did wrong, then you don't ever 0.79

01:08:41.140 fall that way again. And there's the power. There's the ability. I talk about being a young

01:08:47.500 teacher all the time. All the mistakes I made, people are like, oh, you're so this, you're so

01:08:51.040 that. I'm like, you should have seen me at year three. I used to think I could just be their

01:08:59.060 friend what kind of a moron like you you gain perspective if if you're willing to be that kind 1.00

01:09:07.720 of there's a level of humility but it's not really that it's just understanding that okay i don't know 1.00

01:09:14.080 everything so if you're going to give me a grain i'm going to listen and try to apply it that's it

01:09:19.380 that's all we have to do yeah right yeah all right well listen i can't keep talking jane

01:09:27.040 because I have a course to create by January.

01:09:31.160 And you've got, listen, you've got nine weeks.

01:09:34.520 I don't know what the problem is.

01:09:36.600 Oh, lazy sometimes.

01:09:38.320 Okay. Okay. I'm on it.

01:09:40.120 I'm on it.

01:09:40.840 And then, and will January.

01:09:43.360 I love the deadline.

01:09:44.240 I do love the deadline.

01:09:45.240 Thank you so much.

01:09:46.480 I think it would be fantastic.

01:09:48.080 And I think we could get some people to sign up

01:09:52.160 and you and I would both learn.

01:09:55.280 And maybe, you know, animal husbandry could have a little light shone on it.

01:10:01.980 And God only knows what those people can teach other people.

01:10:05.180 Like, anyway, thank you for your time.

01:10:07.680 Thanks for thinking.

01:10:08.220 Thank you for what you do.

01:10:10.740 Thank you for what you do.

01:10:12.560 And I look forward to, you know, more discussions and everybody loves you.

01:10:16.480 And you're amazing.

01:10:17.660 And by the way, I didn't even mention this before.

01:10:20.220 You're complimenting me on making you laugh.

01:10:23.900 you might be the funniest person I know. I'm not going to like, I've been to your,

01:10:28.540 your concert shouldn't just be, uh, I'm going to sing your concert. Technically is a standup

01:10:33.620 and a concert. So anybody that's going, you get, you know, and a story time, you get like

01:10:39.120 three different worlds all at the same time, which I love for its authenticity.

01:10:43.540 It's you got to let people off the hook and I enjoy it. I really do. I want to send people

01:10:48.040 off feeling like i got this i can i'm stronger than i think i am and uh anyway it's a it's a

01:10:56.800 great privilege to be up in front of people it's a it's been a great privilege to make my way

01:11:01.100 through life in the arts i used to say to mom all the time i've gone mom here we are women in the

01:11:06.280 world and after my dad had died i said you're living in your own house and i'm living in my

01:11:11.700 own house and i said we're out in the country and we have a little garden and i said can you imagine 0.92

01:11:17.140 mom we couldn't have done this 50 60 years ago women wouldn't have been a we have our own bank 0.52

01:11:22.340 accounts mom i'd like to know what's in my bank account and i used to tell her i'd say mom you've 1.00

01:11:29.940 got a million dollars in there no i don't i said you do you saved a million i mean she didn't but

01:11:37.000 i thought i'm going to tell her that and she just oh for god's sakes i said mom you can buy

01:11:45.480 anything you want well i wouldn't mind a lemon square 0.99

01:11:50.760 ain't that it though it's not a fucking lamborghini it's a fucking lemon square 0.99

01:11:57.920 my mom was the funniest joe she was funny my dad was a tyrant but this is how it goes 0.98

01:12:09.720 But anyway, it's a privilege to, to do that.

01:12:13.560 And I think of being a woman in, in this world and what I have available to me that I can

01:12:21.480 speak my mind that you can speak your mind and, and we can, I know allyship now more

01:12:28.840 than any time in history.

01:12:31.160 I have a trans flag.

01:12:33.080 I have the flag flying out. 1.00

01:12:35.340 I'm in the middle of nowhere. 0.86

01:12:36.500 I got there's no one's gonna see it but you know who fucking sees it every day me yeah there it is 0.64

01:12:42.840 sure I see it and any person that comes in this yard to fix a pipe to plan a post to do work on 0.89

01:12:50.620 an eaves trough they see it I don't care what they think my agenda is or who I am but I'm like

01:12:56.740 you need to know that this space here I control it and anyway that that's just my I wanted to

01:13:05.520 touch on that a little bit but allyship anyone listening gosh pick up a phone

01:13:10.260 support your friends I don't expect you to fly a flag for some people that's a

01:13:14.220 very dangerous thing it's it depends on what you're but but God stand up for

01:13:20.020 people don't don't stand up for people stand beside people people you don't

01:13:24.780 know it's just there is so important anyway thank you Joe we will talk to you

01:13:30.300 Now, now you got less time to make the course. Now you're you make me sweat through this whole thing, Jen. Come on. All right, guys. Thank you so much for listening. Um, uh, the course will be coming out soon and I will see you next Tuesday. Same bat time, same bat station.

01:13:48.820 Dismissed. 1.00

Unlearn16: Class is in Session - October 24, 2023

The One Where Jann Arden and I Decide To Change The World

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