Vulgar History - American Revolution, part 6： Benedict Arnold's Wife (pt 1⧸2)

00:00:00.120 Hello, Tits Out Brigade. Before we start the episode, I have a big announcement to make.

00:00:05.400 I'm going on a trip. I'm going to be in England and I'm going to be in Scotland

00:00:09.200 to research my book that I'm writing. Did you hear? I'm writing a book about Carolina Brunswick.

00:00:13.820 Anyway, while I'm there, I know that some of you live in those places. And so I have

00:00:18.300 penciled in some time to meet up with Tits Out Brigade members in those cities,

00:00:23.240 the cities being Edinburgh, Scotland and London, England. So we'll be meeting in Edinburgh,

00:00:28.780 scotland on wednesday august 21st and in london england on wednesday august 28th details are still

00:00:34.660 being figured out partially because i don't know how many of you are going to be there

00:00:37.780 which will mean where we meet or not but it's going to be something like we'll meet somewhere

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00:01:13.220 hello and welcome to vulgar history a feminist women's history comedy podcast my name is anne

00:01:28.080 foster and we're in the midst of season seven how do you solve a problem like marie antoinette

00:01:33.100 and if you're new here and you're like great we're going to talk about like versailles we're

00:01:36.940 going to talk about the french revolution not really because this is a long and meandering

00:01:41.500 journey season seven, because we're working our way towards talking about Marie Antoinette.

00:01:47.160 But to do that first, and this is just a peek inside of how my brain works and how I like to

00:01:51.880 research and learn about things. We're learning about the world and the world events and what

00:01:57.260 was going on around Marie Antoinette to eventually get to Marie Antoinette. That being said, at the

00:02:02.580 end of all these episodes, I do connect each of the people I talk about with Marie Antoinette

00:02:06.580 herself. Now, the person we're talking about today, Peggy Shippen, I'm going to say does have

00:02:11.580 some Marie Antoinette vibes, just in the sense of being like a young woman who's just in the midst

00:02:16.940 of some, in the midst of a revolution that she never really asked to be a part of. She would

00:02:21.780 like to be removed from this narrative. And this story also involves a lot of, well, it's American

00:02:28.960 history. We've been talking about the American Revolution for several weeks now. And this one

00:02:33.080 has got a lot of cameo appearances from i think i'm gonna say all of the main characters from the

00:02:39.060 musical hamilton aka the founding fathers of america and also it takes place largely especially

00:02:46.920 this episode there's gonna be a part two but this episode takes place a lot in philadelphia and i

00:02:51.740 know i've heard um from many of you there are there are listeners in philadelphia and philadelphia

00:02:57.880 is really the fifth girl in sex in the city in this episode the the vibes of philadelphia this

00:03:04.100 story couldn't have taken place anywhere else like your beloved mascot gritty does not appear

00:03:09.840 in this episode but i feel like he does i feel like the spirit that would eventually become

00:03:15.000 gritty is here in this episode in the in the spirit of philadelphia i don't want to ruin what

00:03:20.940 philadelphia does but this city like you're known for people greasing poles and climbing them and

00:03:25.760 the vibes, the grease poles, the gritty vibes, like it's, it's really, I've learned through

00:03:32.100 researching this episode, especially Philadelphia has its own vibe and I'm into it. Anyway,

00:03:37.980 without further ado, let's get into Peggy Shippen part one.

00:03:42.880 so Peggy Shippen I did a survey a bit ago just to to ask some American listeners

00:03:55.780 who they'd heard of from American history and who they hadn't heard of because I was

00:04:02.880 just so I can kind of understand when I'm telling the story am I going over people who

00:04:07.400 everyone in America is like we all know the story or if it's something that's new to all of you and

00:04:11.960 And so I will say there's people in this story that 99% of American responses, as I'm looking

00:04:16.960 at this, 289 people answered the survey and basically all of them have heard of some of

00:04:22.060 the people in the story. Most of them have heard of some of the other people in the story, but Peggy

00:04:26.560 herself, 22% of people had heard of her. So this may be new information to many of you. Although,

00:04:33.860 wait for the plot twist of who her husband becomes, because that's one of the more famous

00:04:38.560 people. So she was born Margaret Shippen, but she's always known as Peggy, born July 11th,

00:04:46.060 1760 in Philadelphia. She was the fourth and youngest daughter of Edward Shippen IV and

00:04:52.300 Margaret Francis. And so this was a prominent Philadelphia family. And so 1760, this is before

00:05:00.340 the American Revolution. So this is where America is still, well, it's still like the British 0.95

00:05:07.220 colonies right so people her family were like vibing with that they were happy to be you know

00:05:13.940 british colonists descendants living in america i'm just bringing up my little sheet here to see

00:05:20.260 who else you might know was born at around the same time so 1760 is about a decade earlier queen

00:05:30.340 charlotte from queen charlotte a british story she was born so we're at around that same time

00:05:35.920 period. Who else is? Jean de Lamont from The Necklace Scam was born around the same time as

00:05:41.000 well. Carolina Brunswick was born eight years later. So kind of that's who's around, who you

00:05:47.420 might have heard of, who's on the scene around now. And so she's, yeah, so it's just this wealthy

00:05:54.820 family in Philadelphia. I know there are lots of listeners in Philadelphia. Shout out to all of you.

00:05:59.440 I'm going to give you numerous places in your city that you can go and visit. I don't know if

00:06:03.560 these buildings are still around, but maybe they're. Anyway, so the Shippen family is a 0.90

00:06:08.220 prominent Philadelphia family. So this included in there, the Shippens. Two Philadelphia mayors

00:06:15.140 were Shippens. The founder of Shippensburg, Pennsylvania, anyone listening from there

00:06:20.500 might know about this. So her dad, Edward, was a judge and a member of the Provincial Council

00:06:27.520 of Pennsylvania. And so because this was like, it's when she was born, it was not the American

00:06:33.040 Revolution yet, but that like all the revolutions we're talking about or we've ever talked about on

00:06:37.320 this podcast, it didn't just happen overnight. Like these sentiments had been building for a

00:06:42.800 while. So even by then, the Shippen family was politically divided. So some of them were on

00:06:48.760 like team independence and some of them were on team like, no, I love being part of a British

00:06:53.300 colony. And her dad was on that second version. He was considered to have allegiance to the British

00:06:59.920 crown. So that's kind of, and his influence on his family and his daughters would probably mean

00:07:04.740 they were also. Peggy grew up as the baby of the family. She was the family's darling. Her father

00:07:11.660 like always kind of preferred her to the others. And her vibe as a young person very much reminds

00:07:19.940 me of Scarlett O'Hara from Gone with the Wind in Good and Bad Ways, where she was just, I don't

00:07:28.700 think there's anything wrong with treating a child well and letting them do things that they

00:07:34.440 want to do. Sometimes that's appropriate to do. And sometimes those children like Peggy or like

00:07:39.120 Scarlett O'Hara grow up to be sort of entitled, spoiled people. And she did. And I no hate to

00:07:45.560 entitled, spoiled people anywhere. So as a young woman, she enjoyed music, doing needlework and

00:07:50.440 drawing. She participated in the study of politics, which she wasn't completely oblivious to what was

00:07:56.380 happening around politically. She looked up to her father and he like, this is part of why she

00:08:02.800 was the favorite. Like she is sort of like from Sweet Valley High, a bit of a Jessica Wakefield

00:08:07.180 vibe person. Like she's a bit of a mean girl, but she also was like intellectually curious 0.93

00:08:12.820 from her dad. She learned about politics, finance, and just kind of what was going on,

00:08:17.760 like the forces that would be leading to the American revolution. So she knew about that

00:08:21.260 stuff as well. In 1774, when she was 14 years old, a military guy who almost all of you in America

00:08:30.220 have heard of, George Washington, because the revolution had not yet happened. He was not yet

00:08:35.020 the president. He was just kind of like important military guy. He was invited for dinner at the

00:08:39.740 ship-ins. So he met 14-year-old Peggy, who was impressed by him, he seemed. I don't know, just

00:08:45.440 sort of like a charismatic sort of guy. And he fondly remembered their family, which becomes

00:08:50.620 important later on he was fond of the shippings including her but then as you know the musical

00:08:57.400 hamilton would tell us like 17 1776 the american revolution sort of kicked off and this is uh

00:09:07.240 you know there's people like george washington is on one side being like we want to have

00:09:12.700 independence from britain and on the other side is like the redcoats right um the british people

00:09:18.060 who are like, no, we want this to still be like a British colony. Everything's all in chaos right 0.60

00:09:23.520 now. Peggy's dad was suspected of being loyal to the British people. And this was sort of dangerous

00:09:30.540 for him to be like that in Philadelphia. So he and the family, she's 16 at this point. So he

00:09:35.460 moved the family from Philadelphia to a farm in Amwell, New Jersey. And so Peggy lived there with

00:09:40.940 her older sisters, Mary, Sarah, and Betsy. They were just kind of like doing farm girl, cottage

00:09:45.620 core life. Probably not her favorite thing because just so you know about Peggy, she loved

00:09:52.040 expensive things. She loved going to parties. Like she was really, she preferred a more active 1.00

00:09:57.920 social life than what she was getting living cottage core farm girl life. So they returned 0.63

00:10:03.100 to Philadelphia, but then the dad was accused of being a spy. And so they had to leave again.

00:10:08.760 and they went to Shoyle Kill Falls. Is that a place still? Let me know. Anyway, the girls,

00:10:15.280 again, were sad to lose out on their social lives in the big city because they were really,

00:10:19.540 especially Peggy, they were really sort of like socialites on the scene whenever there was a ball

00:10:24.060 or a party, like the Shippen sisters, like in the musical Hamilton, again, which is most of what I

00:10:29.660 know about the American Revolution, like the Schuyler sisters are there, like coming out,

00:10:34.020 just having fun like the ship and sisters same vibe just like work etc anyway they did eventually

00:10:40.640 so just like going back and forth and back and forth their life is a bit uncertain for a while

00:10:44.800 it's like who this is the thing too that's important to remember they didn't know that the

00:10:50.380 george washington side was going to win the american revolution like the british side could

00:10:55.020 have won so they didn't want to like her dad didn't want to say like i'm anti-britain yeah

00:10:59.380 that's cool like it probably seemed like britain was gonna win so he's just like let's just wait

00:11:03.700 this out anyway so they did return to philadelphia because their dad was afraid that if they weren't

00:11:10.720 on site in their house in philadelphia their house might be plundered and at this point

00:11:16.280 so september 1777 um the british captured philadelphia so they like took over the city

00:11:22.460 of philadelphia and the shipments were back in philadelphia and they held social gatherings

00:11:27.520 at their home partially because like the dad was kind was at least sympathetic to the british cause

00:11:33.720 but also just because they all i don't know like the british took over and it's kind of like okay

00:11:37.880 well who's sort of like the you know rich people of this town and like let's have parties with them

00:11:43.020 like british are here and maybe that'll be like that forever a frequent guest to their gatherings

00:11:48.620 at their home was a man who um let me just check for live results um 12 of americans surveyed have

00:11:56.600 heard of, not very famous to you. But he's very famous to me after this story. And he's one of

00:12:02.220 my favorite people in the story, John Andre. So John Andre was a man, he's in his like mid late

00:12:08.500 twenties. He was from England. He was an English person. And so he was in America because he had

00:12:13.900 come over to fight. He had come over in 1771 and then he was captured and kept in jail for five

00:12:20.400 years until he was released in a prisoner exchange. And so he came to the attention,

00:12:24.820 like he was just kind of like average army guy but the british authorities noticed him not just

00:12:31.020 because he was like super hot and charming but also because while he was in jail he had made

00:12:36.440 detailed secret maps like as a prisoner and they were like oh this guy's got some good spy like

00:12:41.920 instincts and so they're like we're gonna make him be a spy and so he's just on the scene like

00:12:47.520 philadelphia is a british possessed town um and he's just one of the british people there he's

00:12:52.600 just kind of like a hot spy he was also this is part of where you're like you know i love a spy

00:12:58.060 but here's where i'm just like oh this guy's great so he was also somehow appointed social

00:13:02.120 director to the army um he so he was kind of like their david rizzio he was like arranging their

00:13:08.080 parties he's also known as a poet actor he was also a competent violinist he was a stage director

00:13:14.320 and he painted background scenes for plays produced by acting members of the english army

00:13:19.620 so this sort of sets the scene of Philadelphia like the British took over and they're not just

00:13:25.060 being like I'm sure there's a curfew and stuff but it's not just like you're under a British rule

00:13:29.520 like the soldiers are here but they're like you're under the British rule and the soldiers are here

00:13:33.240 and some of us are actors and John Andre is our social director and we're gonna have sets and

00:13:38.780 we're gonna put on plays because some of us are soldiers and also actors so this is where Peggy

00:13:43.620 is being a teen so there's still like a social life for her to be part of and for her to be the

00:13:49.040 most beautiful belle of the town and her sort of Scarlett O'Hara vibes. John Andre often escorted

00:13:54.460 17-year-old Peggy to dinners, promenades, and plays. He once gave her a lock of his hair

00:14:00.580 in a gold locket. Now, they weren't officially like sweethearts. His girlfriend at this time

00:14:06.920 wasn't Peggy's kind of frenemy, sort of if she's a Jessica Wakefield, sort of the Lila Fowler,

00:14:12.520 who is another person called Peggy Chu. But these two were fond of each other, for sure. Everyone

00:14:17.440 was fond of Peggy Shippen for her whole story. She's just clearly like such a likable person.

00:14:22.160 In addition to that, she was also, you know, like spoiled and entitled and kind of a brat.

00:14:29.120 And I mean, my favorite character in Little Women is Amy. My favorite character in Pride

00:14:35.220 and Prejudice is Lydia. She's bringing me those bratty younger sister vibes that I vibe with 1.00

00:14:40.080 because I myself am also a bratty younger sister. So Peggy Shippen is like the bell of British 0.96

00:14:46.280 occupied philadelphia like she is she and her sisters are they're kind of i don't know if you're

00:14:53.000 if you're a millennial you remember like the hilton sisters it's just kind of like they're the two

00:14:56.460 they're the hot young teens and everybody wants them invited to their parties and peggy is the

00:15:01.440 hotter of them so at one point uh the captain of a british flagship invited her and other young

00:15:07.440 women to attend dinner and a like dance on their ship and so they were piped aboard the ship by a

00:15:13.340 band. The captain later said he and all the fellow officers were all in love with her.

00:15:18.280 Another British army captain declared she was the handsomest woman in America.

00:15:22.640 So she's just like, what is she right now? 18 years old, just like the most beautiful popular 0.95

00:15:28.080 girl in British occupied Philadelphia. And she's finally able to go to all these parties.

00:15:32.680 She's known for wearing very low cut dresses, which listeners of this podcast know is a thing 0.99

00:15:39.920 that I always enjoy hearing about people doing. So the social event of May, 1778 in British

00:15:46.980 occupied Philadelphia was a party called the Misschenza. And it was of course being planned

00:15:51.900 by party planner slash spy John Andre. And the Misschenza was an elaborate celebration held in

00:15:58.320 honor of a British general who was about to go back to England. So it was like his farewell.

00:16:02.300 And this was a event that took place over. I don't know if it's necessarily weeks,

00:16:06.260 but certainly days and nights. So this is going to include a regatta along the Delaware River,

00:16:11.020 three musical bands, a 17 gun salute, a parade, a tournament of jousting knights. Okay. British

00:16:19.100 occupied Philadelphia ball and a banquet with fireworks display. It was like the social event

00:16:23.960 of the season. And so the thing is they were like, great, we're going to invite all the hottest

00:16:28.580 people, which means the Shippen sisters, like especially Peggy. And Peggy Shippen was one of

00:16:33.940 the youngest people invited, the youngest beauty invited. She's again, like 18 years old at this

00:16:39.120 point. Now, local Quakers who, depending on what order these episodes come out, you may know a lot

00:16:46.620 or a little bit about Quakers, but they're just sort of like very plain dressed religious folk, 0.99

00:16:53.160 quasi John Knox vibes were mad. They went to her dad to be like, don't let your daughters go to 0.99

00:16:59.280 this party, because they will wear low-cut dresses, because there's going to be cultural 1.00

00:17:04.220 appropriation. They're all wearing like feathered turbans to look like they're Turkish, which is 0.56

00:17:08.960 like Fairpoint Quakers. Anyway, they're just like, this is too scandalous. Don't let your daughters 1.00

00:17:13.440 go. But the dad was like, of course, my daughters are going to go. It's a social event of the season

00:17:16.760 and I love my little Peggy and she wants to go. So the Miss Xianza was like the event of the

00:17:22.680 season. But other things that they had been doing, again, like British occupied Philadelphia sounds

00:17:27.760 like for her, like a pretty fun time. So there was like skating parties, sleigh rides, cricket

00:17:33.480 matches, horse races. And she's just like the most beautiful popular girl. And she's just like

00:17:38.680 living her best life really just as a hot young teen. So this is of course during the American 0.51

00:17:44.600 revolution. This is the year 1778. So some other, some critics were critical of people attending

00:17:54.080 these British held parties, because if they're on like team George Washington, then they're just

00:17:59.220 like, you shouldn't be partying with the British. You should be like, whatever, fighting them or 0.98

00:18:04.780 something. Yeah. So there was some criticism of Peggy and her sisters doing this. But one

00:18:10.800 Philadelphia resident defended the girl's right to party with the British soldiers saying, 0.98

00:18:15.140 pauper allowances must be made for those in the bloom of life and spirits after being so long

00:18:19.380 deprived of gaieties and amusements. So I will say, you know, some of the Quakers were mad at

00:18:26.720 their outfits and team George Washington was mad about just like people, like Americans having fun

00:18:33.520 with British people. And one of George Washington's friends, the Marquis de Lafayette from the musical

00:18:38.760 Hamilton, a French person who is going to show up in numerous episodes, this series, Marquis de

00:18:44.580 Lafayette got some friends together. And during the miscienza, he poured a whale oil onto the

00:18:50.400 British barriers. Like, I don't know, I guess like the fences ignited them and then slipped away

00:18:56.800 because he was just like, fuck you British partiers. And anyway, like Peggy, it turns out 1.00

00:19:03.060 like the British soldiers, part of why she was just vibing and having such a good time is because

00:19:06.760 in a real Lydia Bennett vibe, she just loved flirting with British soldiers. She thought 1.00

00:19:12.040 they were so witty and hot. But then after the miscienza, when this general left, like more of

00:19:18.420 the British left, so it would seem to be that the British stopped being occupying Philadelphia and

00:19:27.360 now George W. and his team were coming in. Peggy and her sisters were sad to lose the soldiers to

00:19:32.680 flirt with because the American Patriot soldiers were less witty and charming and hot. And so

00:19:37.940 in my notes, I called George Washington, George W. And it's hard for me to not just say that out

00:19:44.420 loud. So officially starting out, I'm going to call him George W. But that's what I mean. George

00:19:48.620 Washington, very famous person to Americans, allegedly. George W. on my survey, 99% of Americans

00:19:55.580 surveyed are familiar with George Washington. So anyway, George W. was like, we need to choose an

00:20:02.200 american patriot type person to be the governor of philadelphia and because they needed to bring

00:20:08.480 order to philadelphia after the evacuation of all the british soldiers the city was still

00:20:12.420 politically divided so he's like i need somebody who's charismatic i need somebody who's gonna

00:20:16.380 like lay down the law like someone who's like a proven good leader slash soldier i need a

00:20:21.440 charismatic patriotic leader to get everyone in philadelphia to decide to join team george w

00:20:27.580 person he chose, who is a person who was known by 88.3% of Americans surveyed was a man named

00:20:35.200 Benedict Arnold. So Benedict Arnold was a hero of the George W. Patriot Army. So he was age 37.

00:20:45.560 He was admired at this point. I mean, people in America who've heard of him, like, you know,

00:20:50.700 where this is headed, people who haven't heard of him. Let's just enjoy the story. So B. Arnold

00:20:55.760 is admired.

00:20:58.000 It was one of America's most courageous warriors.

00:21:00.580 He had done lots of successful army things.

00:21:04.440 He started out his life as an apothecary

00:21:06.300 and then joined the army.

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00:23:37.880 and we're back one of the things he did was he led an army that tried to get into quebec

00:23:44.420 which connects us to the previous episode about Marie-Joseph Angelique and what she was up to in

00:23:50.460 Quebec. He did not get into Quebec because much like what she experienced, it's hard to do stuff

00:23:55.440 there in the winter. Anyway, so he's this war hero, age 37. He had been injured in the war and so he

00:24:02.240 had a limp. One of his legs was shorter than the other because of his injury. And so that made

00:24:07.400 people think he was even more admirable because like visually looking at him, you could be like,

00:24:11.260 look at the injuries he sustained while fighting for Team George W. And his job was to restore

00:24:17.020 civilian peace to Philadelphia. He was not excited about this job because he wanted a more prestigious

00:24:24.780 job. He wanted to have been appointed to Congress instead. And also he had spent some of his own

00:24:31.300 money, like his own funds were spent to help pay for some of the battle stuff he did. And he wanted

00:24:36.500 George W. to pay him back and George W. had not paid him back. And George W. is also the person

00:24:41.360 who was in charge of putting him in Congress and he didn't get the job. So Benedict Arnold shows up,

00:24:46.040 chip on his shoulder, limp in his leg. And he arrived one month after the Miss Xi'an Zha and

00:24:52.500 he was greeted by excited residents on the streets. Like the people in these streets,

00:24:56.160 we see them do various things on the streets of Philadelphia. I think, isn't that where there's

00:25:00.820 still that thing where people climb poles covered in butter or something. I think Philadelphia has

00:25:08.100 a long history of excited residents taking to the streets. So here they are in oldie times.

00:25:13.340 So they just watch this carriage pass by. They're just like, we love you. You're this

00:25:16.580 famous war hero, et cetera. One of his first jobs was to clean. So Philadelphia, the city

00:25:22.340 at this point, June, 1778, smelly, smelly, garbage covered city. Literally there was debris

00:25:29.680 covered streets because when the British had left town, they had just been like, 1.00

00:25:34.920 screw you. And just they did things like they dumped human and horse carcasses and garbage 0.99

00:25:40.800 on the streets. So it like literally smelled horrible. And one of Benedict Arnold's jobs

00:25:45.560 was to like literally clean up the city. So where he moved into is the master's penthouse

00:25:50.140 on High Street. Is that a museum? You tell me, Philadelphians. He had 10 servants and he lived

00:25:57.060 a flashy lifestyle. He wanted to look like he was rich, but he also believed that the United States

00:26:04.400 owed him a debt. And he vowed to collect this debt by making friends with Philadelphia's elite

00:26:09.300 and wealthy citizens. He wanted them to vouch for him and to help convince George W. to pay him back

00:26:16.900 and maybe give him a better job. This included befriending the Shippen family. So he showed up.

00:26:23.420 I'm sure Peggy was excited, but, you know, she and her sisters had still been like,

00:26:26.880 the British soldiers were gone, replaced by less hot, less witty American soldiers. 0.83

00:26:32.060 But they were still like it girls about town. 0.99

00:26:34.220 They went around in their fancy imported British clothes, which the Americans were like, 1.00

00:26:38.660 you shouldn't wear fancy British clothes. 0.96

00:26:40.360 You should wear American made boring clothes.

00:26:42.980 They, yeah, Peggy and her friends apparently made fun of the Patriots' homespun clothes 0.89

00:26:47.600 and boring entertainments.

00:26:49.560 Not as fun as what the British were providing. 0.66

00:26:52.160 So Benedict Arnold wanted to try to be like, let's try and make everybody get along.

00:26:56.240 But also I want to meet some hot young teens.

00:26:58.800 And so he hosted a ball, like a big event, the social event of the season.

00:27:03.820 He's like, great, we're going to invite all of the hot young everybody to this party.

00:27:07.760 And then he was told like, turns out that the American people are not hot.

00:27:11.780 If you want hot people, you need to invite some loyalist British types, like the Shippen Sisters.

00:27:17.500 And so eventually they were invited as well, just because there wasn't enough. 0.87

00:27:20.580 Like the it girls about town were all on the loyalist side, not on the Patriot side. And so he, I don't know if this is where they met, but he hosted and or attended many events. And you know, Peggy was at every party. And by the end of this summer, they were courting. She was a teenager and he was 37. And that is what is happening.

00:27:41.900 she is i believe at this point like 17 18 years old and he was escorting her to dinners receptions

00:27:49.200 and the theater he was at one point challenged for dating a teenage loyalist and benedict arnold

00:27:55.540 was like come at me you wish you were dating her she's the hottest girl in town and she's mine

00:28:00.940 and i feel like to peggy she was just like he is a war hero he's the governor like i could not aim

00:28:07.120 any higher, this is the best boyfriend I could find. So he also, with his leg injury, he used a

00:28:14.180 white jewel encrusted cane. So he had this injury, but he was kind of like, oh no, my injury makes

00:28:20.340 me even more cool and interesting. And all of Philadelphia, like the city, the city is a

00:28:26.120 character in this story. The city of Philadelphia is the fifth girl in Sex and the City. All of

00:28:30.220 Philadelphia, which again is a character, were intrigued by the courtship of this military hero

00:28:35.520 and this hot young teen, Belle. One woman wrote to a friend, I must tell you that Cupid has given

00:28:41.520 our little general a more mortal wound than all the hosts of Britons could. So he was smitten

00:28:47.020 by Peggy Shippen, but like everyone who met her was. Her vibe in that way is similar to Nomi Malone

00:28:53.100 in the movie Showgirls. So by September, like they met that summer. And then by that September,

00:28:58.520 Benedict Arnold was asking her father permission to marry her. He was like, dear Mr. Shippen,

00:29:03.320 I am not a gold digger, even though I do have numerous debts and like living a lavish lifestyle.

00:29:08.900 But he's also like, I know that I am on team George W and you're allegedly a loyalist,

00:29:13.860 but you know what? That shouldn't stand in the way of a love story between

00:29:17.440 a 37 year old man and your teenage daughter. He also wrote a love letter to Peggy, which exists

00:29:23.060 that we can still see. And it was literally a copy paste of a love letter he'd written to a

00:29:27.680 previous woman. He was also trying to woo. So he had templates he was using anyway. So he wrote

00:29:32.920 these letters. He requested this via letters. Peggy and her dad didn't, neither of them replied

00:29:37.760 right away. I feel like they were like step and step here. They were just trying to figure out

00:29:41.140 what to do. And so why wouldn't the dad want Peggy to marry this guy? So one issue was Benedict

00:29:47.520 Arnold's social status. He was formerly an apothecary and the shipments were like fancy

00:29:53.140 rich people. Also he was 37 and she was 17. And then also he was a widowed father of three

00:30:01.160 sons who his sister in Connecticut was caring for. And so the issue is like, are these three sons

00:30:07.800 going to come and join their household? Do we want that? But on the pro side, Peggy's dad knew

00:30:13.300 that if she married Benedict Arnold, this could maybe be good for his career ambitions because

00:30:18.780 Benedict Arnold was like the governor. But then the other perhaps biggest issue is the fact that

00:30:24.000 Benedict Arnold was an asshole. So he was mean to his subordinates. This whole thing happened where 1.00

00:30:33.340 he part-owned this ship that arrived with goods that he was bringing into town so that he could

00:30:39.720 sell for profit. And he put these goods in a government-owned warehouse and asked the army

00:30:44.580 to transport it for him. Using government equipment for private purposes was illegal.

00:30:49.800 so he did that he also did this thing where there's this woman who wanted to pass through

00:30:56.740 so new york at this point new york state was british occupied and so it was patriots couldn't 0.95

00:31:03.740 really get in there but he like made an illegal passport so this woman could get in there to do

00:31:08.040 spy work he got in trouble for that as well these three things really sank his whole reputation like

00:31:14.860 he was mean to the people he worked for. He used government stuff to like store his weird

00:31:19.960 West Indies goods. And he made a passport for this spy. And so his enemies took this to the

00:31:25.320 newspapers, which were the pamphlets of the era. Someone filed a complaint against him to the

00:31:31.140 Supreme Executive Council, which is a body of jurisprudence that is in this story a lot.

00:31:38.780 And it just sounds like if you watch that season of American Horror Story in New Orleans,

00:31:44.580 where it was all about witches and they're like, who's going to be the next supreme witch? Like,

00:31:48.540 I just picture this council of, you know, Emma Roberts and people. Anyway, so a complaint was

00:31:55.560 filed against him to the Supreme Executive Council and Benedict Arnold was like, I'm all too happy to

00:31:59.700 answer for these actions to A, Congress or B, George W. Those are the only people I'm accountable

00:32:04.840 to. I do not recognize you, Supreme Executive Council and Emma Roberts. So this drama was

00:32:09.640 happening literally at the same time that he was wooing his teenage girlfriend. Around the same

00:32:14.460 time, one of Peggy's sisters, her oldest sister Betsy was being married and Betsy was nervous

00:32:19.200 about the wedding night. And then Peggy was like, oh my God, I'm also worried about like what sex

00:32:23.440 is. Allegedly, she took a solemn oath to never have sex, which she then retracted very soon 0.70

00:32:28.400 afterwards. But just a detail I wanted to share. Eventually, Peggy convinced her father to agree

00:32:34.380 that she could marry Benedict Arnold by doing some tactics that she was known to do, which

00:32:40.060 includes weeping, taking to her bed, throwing a fit, refusing to eat or drink, and just being

00:32:47.060 kind of a hysterical nightmare tantrum child. And when she did that, her father gave her what

00:32:53.520 she wanted. And in this case, that was marriage to Benedict Arnold. So Benedict Arnold. So the

00:32:59.700 supreme executive council was still like full of haterade for him he went to judge w for advice

00:33:07.860 like he wanted to go ask for advice from his bro george w but on route i guess he's like on his

00:33:13.340 in his carriage or on his horse then some other guy comes up on a horse to give him i'm picturing

00:33:17.480 like a scroll but it's probably more like a sealed letter but it was a proclamation from the supreme

00:33:21.780 executive council accusing him now also of military misconduct and they had timed like

00:33:28.700 charging him with this to coincide with when he was leaving. He was leaving Philadelphia to go

00:33:32.460 find George W. So then they gave him this paper at the same time to make it look like he had

00:33:37.420 defected to the British. The Supreme Executive Council just really hated this guy. And I've

00:33:42.080 got to say, I don't blame them. He sucked. But anyway, the charges he was filed for were basically 1.00

00:33:47.740 those three things I said before. There's eight charges total, but it's like storing your stuff

00:33:51.900 in the warehouse, giving that woman the passport, and being mean to your support nets, effectively. 1.00

00:33:56.760 But Peggy and the Shippans were on Benedict Arnold's team. 0.71

00:34:00.360 They thought that this was an example of the Supreme Executive Council. 0.98

00:34:03.640 Like, power had run amok.

00:34:05.520 Like, why are they hating this guy?

00:34:07.700 George W. was also on Benedict Arnold's side.

00:34:10.700 He suggested Benedict Arnold should ask for a congressional hearing.

00:34:13.680 But Benedict Arnold was like, no, I prefer a court-martial so I can be judged by my peers.

00:34:17.720 The newspapers were full of this scandal, you know, the scandal-val of its era.

00:34:23.360 Just what's going to happen with B. Arnold?

00:34:25.400 Eventually, all but two of the charges were dropped against him. Benedict Arnold was so

00:34:29.680 mad about all this, he resigned as commandant or governor or whatever his job was. Anyway,

00:34:36.040 he resigned from his Philadelphia job and he purchased Mount Pleasant, a manor home just

00:34:40.360 outside of Philadelphia, not to live in. He wanted to rent it out as an income property because just

00:34:46.120 bear in mind, this man has so many deaths constantly. And so then George W. announced

00:34:50.960 a court-martial to examine the original charges. And that's what Benedict Arnold had wanted. He

00:34:55.160 wanted to be judged by his peers. And five days after the court-martial was announced,

00:35:01.180 Peggy Shippen and Benedict Arnold got married in the Shippen dining room. For their quote-unquote

00:35:05.700 honeymoon, they went to various family homes around New Jersey and Pennsylvania. But Benedict

00:35:11.920 Arnold, like from literal day one, the relationship was really affected by the haters and losers,

00:35:18.620 as he probably would have called them or against him. He was obsessed with the damage done to his

00:35:23.060 public reputation. Like just wait, Benedict Arnold. So then there was a whole thing. It's

00:35:28.440 like back and forth. Like where would the court martial be held? He wanted it in one place. George

00:35:32.740 W. wanted it in another place. But meanwhile, Benedict Arnold was enjoying being married to

00:35:39.800 18 year old Peggy Shippen. He wrote that she brought him scenes of sensual gratification.

00:35:46.400 okay benedict um she referred to him as the best of husbands and eventually benedict arnold was

00:35:54.460 like i'm already everyone thinks i'm a traitor to the british and the patriots are being mean to me

00:36:01.120 and so why don't i just become a traitor to the patriots why don't i just become a british spy

00:36:06.780 okay i'm gonna do that he decided to do that it was like in that one episode of if you've watched

00:36:11.800 the traitors New Zealand where there's this one woman and everyone thought she was a traitor the

00:36:16.480 whole time and then eventually the traitors were like let's recruit her to be a traitor because 0.93

00:36:21.040 everyone already thinks she's a traitor and then she's voted off and she's like I'm a traitor and

00:36:25.300 everyone's like I knew it but it's like no she only was for one day it's just like that except

00:36:29.080 in American Revolution so like one month after they got married like they got married on April

00:36:34.560 8th, I think, May 1st, Benedict Arnold invited this guy over to be like, guess what? I'm a

00:36:41.920 traitor now. And he offered, he's like, I offer my services, Benedict Arnold, myself, to be a double

00:36:48.900 agent slash spy. And I would like for my spy name to be Gustavus Monk or just Monk for short. And

00:36:56.300 we haven't had a lot of this in this podcast, but we've had some of this people becoming spies and

00:37:01.720 choosing preposterous names so this goes in that list of people the other guy was like fantastic

00:37:07.860 welcome to team traders just like on the tv show traders did they put on cloaks maybe and

00:37:15.260 re-endering this story john andre the party planner slash spy so they're like okay great

00:37:21.960 we're gonna like work with john andre who is this spy um and also just like hot guy violin player

00:37:28.740 draws maps while in jail. And so there's sort of this sequence of people where like Gustavus

00:37:36.580 Monk, AKA Benedict Arnold would sort of like have handlers and then he would pass on information

00:37:41.540 through to John Andre. So this guy, the in-between guy, I didn't put in everybody's names because

00:37:48.600 there's a lot of names and this guy, this is all that he does. But the guy who connects

00:37:53.140 Benedict Arnold to John Andre went, he's like, John Andre, guess what? There's this guy. I won't

00:37:57.860 say his name. He's a general who we're going to call Gustavus Monk, wants to like spill some

00:38:03.700 Patriot secrets. And also FYI, his wife, Peggy Shippen, sends her regards. So like not a good

00:38:09.800 job guy. Like now Andre, John Andre knows who the spy is. John Andre though was like, oh, amazing.

00:38:15.720 Peggy Shippen, that hot young teen. I remember her. We were pals. She has a lock of my hair in

00:38:20.300 a locket. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to get Peggy to write letters that are just

00:38:24.520 to me, to John Andre being like, Hey, John Andre, let's talk about fabric. And remember when you

00:38:28.840 organize the Marchi and Nenza good times, but then there'll be like invisible ink in between

00:38:33.740 the lines of the letters. Like we're going to use Peggy's correspondence to hide codes.

00:38:38.340 So John Andre, I am a fan of John Andre's whole vibe, but I'm going to say no one in this story

00:38:48.080 is good at being a spy. Not just my opinion, just objectively. So John Andre wrote out instructions

00:38:53.460 for benedict arnold being like here's how to be a spy and at one point he accidentally wrote

00:38:57.580 arnold and then he crossed out the word arnold and wrote monk so like okay john andre like hot

00:39:04.600 party planner like draws a good map but like are you a good spy don't know meanwhile so the whole

00:39:10.360 court martial scenario was still going out benedict arnold is so stressed out about that and probably

00:39:15.800 also but the fact that he just like became a traitor that he suffered an attack of gout on

00:39:21.280 his already injured leg. So he was like more disabled than usual in terms of not being able

00:39:26.380 to walk. Peggy Shippen, now a married woman of 18 was, you know, she spent her days hanging out

00:39:31.960 with her gal pals. And to her credit, she always had, she's a girl's girl. She always like wherever

00:39:37.160 she goes in this whole story, which is very far from being over. She always had female friends 0.70

00:39:41.960 around her. And to me, that often speaks well of a person. So she's hanging out with her gal pals

00:39:46.820 and they're just like, remember when the British occupied Philadelphia and we could just go 0.72

00:39:51.260 tits out go to parties flirt with the soldiers those were good times we had right because the

00:39:57.920 rest of her life she had to go back home and hear her husband benedict arnold rant and rave

00:40:02.260 and or brood in the library about his court martial and being a spy um but also so they

00:40:10.100 were living in although he'd bought the master's pen mansion to rent out they were now living in

00:40:14.220 it but she was not the mistress of the house she was sharing that job with benedict arnold's sister 0.98

00:40:18.540 Hannah Arnold, who is described in the main book I read as a reminder, Defiant Brides,

00:40:26.060 the untold story of two revolutionary era women and the radical men they married by Nancy Reuben

00:40:30.000 Stewart. Nancy Reuben Stewart describes Hannah as being plain dressed versus she had come to town

00:40:37.300 with his three older sons. Like she had been watching them in Connecticut, but then she came

00:40:41.520 here because now he's married and stuff. She had resentments towards the stylish, luxury loving

00:40:46.000 teenage Peggy Shippen, who was just like hot. She was 18 and married, but still like the hot 1.00

00:40:52.180 girl around town. So Hannah and Peggy, not the best of friends, not a lot in common at this

00:40:57.480 point. So Peggy Shippen, there's a whole question about like, how much did she know about what

00:41:02.120 Ben and Arnold was up to? There's a whole theory that like, was she the one who like convinced him

00:41:06.780 to become a traitor because like she had been friends with John Andre before. So like did John

00:41:10.980 Andre get her to get him to switch sides, which I feel like from what I've read, he did that

00:41:17.340 himself. And she just was kind of like, I just married you one week ago and what is happening?

00:41:24.140 But she did seem to know what he was up to. In one of Gustavus Monk's letters to John Andre,

00:41:30.020 he said, Peggy sends you her particular compliments, which apparently is like spy language for like,

00:41:35.280 she knows what's going on. She's cool with the spy business. But also in terms of the spy business, 0.66

00:41:39.560 being a traitor, et cetera. The American Revolution, still, this is 1779. So it's not

00:41:47.200 solidified that Team George W. is going to win. The British could very easily win, at which point 0.86

00:41:54.160 Benedict Arnold and Peggy potentially could be rewarded for doing all this stuff. So it's important

00:41:59.700 when looking at history, and I'm talking to myself, not to you, but for myself, to remember the people

00:42:04.220 doing stuff don't know what's going to happen later. They're just doing what seems best for

00:42:07.740 them at the time. Anyway, so Benedict's spy boss ordered that he should get an active post in the

00:42:15.000 army so that he could fuck some stuff up more directly. So he could help make the Patriot

00:42:22.440 side lose some battles so that the British could do better. But Benedict Arnold was like,

00:42:27.340 but I can't get a job in the army because I'm actively under court martial right now for being

00:42:31.300 a nightmare person. And they still hadn't set a date for the court martial. So he was like,

00:42:35.680 George W. Can we get this commercial over with? Because I really want to take on an active army

00:42:40.080 job. No reason. I just like army jobs. By now, Peggy Shippen was a pregnant teen spy bride.

00:42:49.200 Philadelphia was not doing well. Food supplies were dwindling. Prices were going up.

00:42:56.020 Relatable content. And a lot of people were mad at Benedict Arnold, even though he wasn't

00:43:01.500 in charge of Philadelphia anymore. I think people just generally hated him, understandably. He just

00:43:07.740 was an annoying person. Anyway, a lot of people were mad at him. He was attacked. He demanded

00:43:12.320 troops from Congress to protect him and the city, but he was denied. So things were sort of a crisis.

00:43:19.700 Peggy, pregnant. And so she hadn't been actively engaging in the whole Invisible Inc. spycraft

00:43:25.060 stuff. But at this point, she's like, okay, something needs to change. So she answered a

00:43:29.380 letter, like John Andre has sent her a letter being like, Hey, let's talk about fabric, but

00:43:33.300 secretly spy stuff. And so she answered this letter. And I don't think there was spy stuff

00:43:38.040 in the actual letter. She said, I don't think there's invisible ink or codes or ciphers,

00:43:41.640 but just the fact she responded to his letter was her way of saying like, I'm in, like I'm in

00:43:46.120 vis-a-vis let's be spies. So December 23rd, 1779, a bizarre date for his court-martial because

00:43:54.160 like, not because it's close to Christmas, but just because it's the middle of the winter and

00:43:59.920 it's like colonial America. And just like, guess what? A blizzard happened. They had to adjourn

00:44:05.140 because there was a blizzard. One of the witnesses at the court-martial was Alexander Hamilton.

00:44:11.180 Eventually at the end of the court-martial, they were able to reconvene after the blizzard

00:44:15.220 and Benedict Arnold was acquitted of all charges except for one. And I think the one

00:44:19.560 was the giving the passport to the person. He was mad about this. And one month later,

00:44:25.580 Peggy gave birth to their first child, a son named Edward Shippen Arnold, who they call

00:44:29.740 Nettie. So because Benedict Arnold was bad with money, they had to move out of the master's pen

00:44:35.640 mansion, rent it, and live in one of Peggy's father's rental properties. This is, again,

00:44:40.900 I need to emphasize, like they've been married for not even a whole year yet, and it's never

00:44:47.000 not been a crisis so benedict arnold um he became obsessed with how he could get money 0.52

00:44:52.480 um and he's like well if i just like escalate my like spy shit maybe i can get paid more money

00:44:58.620 and the people who he worked for were like we're not going to pay you more spy money until you get 0.79

00:45:03.020 like an active military position and he was like okay i'm gonna get a military position at

00:45:07.840 west point which was like a very uh decisive important outpost for the patriots he's like

00:45:15.060 I want to be in charge of West Point. And so to try to get this job, you know, he asked for it,

00:45:19.480 but he was unpleasant and people didn't like him. So that didn't work. So then Peggy,

00:45:23.980 his glamorous 18 year old child bride, she was deployed to go in her low cut gowns to go and 1.00

00:45:30.840 try to seduce the chancellor of the state of New York, not to fuck him, but just to be like flirty 1.00

00:45:35.680 and be like, Hey, my husband, Benedict Arnold should really have this job. Don't you think 1.00

00:45:39.920 you should give him this job. And so she tried to do that, you know, to support her mans.

00:45:45.400 And then George W. gave Benedict Arnold a different job. Benedict Arnold was like,

00:45:51.260 no, thanks. West Point or nothing is what I want. And George W. is like, why? Like the job I just

00:45:57.500 offered you is, I think, better. But Benedict Arnold was like, well, I have this injured leg

00:46:01.660 and West Point seems like a good job where I can just like sit around sometime. So like,

00:46:05.840 that's the job i want and george w is like i'll get back to you anyway at a party um someone

00:46:12.800 congratulated peggy like oh i heard benedict got this new job that's not west point and she was so

00:46:17.620 freaked out by this information that she went into a fit which is kind of she is there's various

00:46:25.120 points in the story where she is seen to go into what is described as a hysterical fit i think she

00:46:30.340 and maybe this ties back to the whole thing about when i talked before like in her childhood like

00:46:34.900 she would throw tantrums and stuff to get what she wanted. I think she is a person who verbally

00:46:41.020 processes. I think that she is high strung. I think that the fact that her, she's like 18 years

00:46:48.220 old, just had a baby. Her husband is a traitor. It's weighing on her heavily. And she just like 1.00

00:46:54.360 when she is stressed out, I think she just cries and has an emotional outburst. And that is what

00:47:00.840 has happened here. So anyway, finally, good news. Benedict Arnold got the West Point job.

00:47:06.520 Peggy and their son Nettie were going to go there and hang out with him there. And his plan

00:47:11.060 was to go to West Point and weaken it, to make there be less soldiers there and to, I guess,

00:47:18.620 draw maps and tell the British how to get in and stuff like that. So August 1780. So he had this

00:47:25.940 job to sort of like weaken the army but also at the same time the patriot army was like pretty

00:47:31.160 weak itself frankly so there was a crisis there was a lack of enough soldiers the supplies were

00:47:36.340 almost all gone morale was very low so it's like he just had to sort of like nudge things a little

00:47:41.620 bit like things were already not great for them um by now the british had captured charleston

00:47:46.960 because france had always been sort of like helping out the american side because of marquis

00:47:52.520 de lafayette and maybe we'll talk about that in another episode but france had sent reinforcements

00:47:57.980 to help the americans but it wasn't enough and this is partially because french were like you

00:48:03.340 america the united states quote unquote you're bankrupt you won't pay us for our work and

00:48:10.260 therefore we're not going to help you anymore so george w went to connecticut to talk to the

00:48:16.640 fringe to try and charm offensive, get them to help out some more. In and around this time,

00:48:22.540 Benedict Arnold was like, oh, George W., you're going to Connecticut. Do you want me to help?

00:48:26.920 I can come to these talks as well. And George W. is like, wow, Benedict Arnold is being really

00:48:31.580 nice and positive right now. Before I used to think he was maybe a spy and a traitor,

00:48:36.320 but now he seems really on board team George W. That's great, he thought to himself.

00:48:40.500 So he's living at West Point. Peggy and baby Nettie are now there as well with him. And they're

00:48:46.880 staying in this house near West Point, kind of in the wilderness. And when Benedict Arnold got the

00:48:52.620 job, the person who had the job before was like, are you sure you don't want to live in this house

00:48:55.840 close to things? And he's like, no, I prefer being in the random wilderness. Better for doing

00:49:01.260 spy shit so people can't see what I'm up to. I mean, I just like trees. So I'm guessing Peggy, 0.97

00:49:08.480 this is a real trajectory from her like she was this hot young girl on the scene um she married

00:49:15.500 who seemed like the most important man in philadelphia and now suddenly she's like living

00:49:20.540 in the woods with her baby being 18 year old mother and this is kind of where her story because

00:49:25.700 like we're talking about ben ed arnold a lot because her story is a lot of just like dealing 0.94

00:49:29.300 with his shit but thinking about her for a minute it's like this is where she starts to kind of step 0.92

00:49:34.500 not step up but like because she was like doing fine but this is where she sort of we see that 1.00

00:49:40.620 she had some hidden skills and resiliencies and depths that maybe she didn't even know that she

00:49:45.560 had but she's like okay like my husband is a spy I'm living in the woods let's let's get on with

00:49:51.500 it like she's not complaining about it she's not being like no I want to deal with my parents like

00:49:55.140 she's like stand by her man to the extreme here

00:49:57.460 so to be continued we will talk more about peggy ship in next week with some more crossovers with

00:50:10.120 more characters both from the musical hamilton and from the vulgar history podcast um in in

00:50:17.120 interesting ways her story goes places you might not expect like people in the maritime the atlantic

00:50:23.940 region of Canada, be on notice. You know, you might be surprised at where some of these people

00:50:28.880 go next time. Anyway, I do want to tell you as a, just as a FYI, as a special announcement today,

00:50:34.960 when you're listening to this, if you listen to this, when it's published July 31st, I made a

00:50:40.560 guest appearance on a podcast called the art of crime. And that's available for you to listen to

00:50:44.740 today. And I really encourage you to listen to it because it's a story that I had wanted to tell on

00:50:50.160 this podcast for a while, but it never really fit into any of the themes. And so The Art of Crime

00:50:54.320 is a history podcast about the unlikely collisions between true crime and the arts.

00:50:59.540 So already it's like, oh, intriguing. And so the host Gavin Whitehead approached me just because

00:51:04.920 he's been doing episodes about the revolutionary era and I am as well. And it just seemed like

00:51:09.560 maybe we could do something together. And I was like, what about if I come to your podcast and

00:51:14.360 tell the story of Princess Caribou, which if you haven't heard of her, then I mean, listen to the

00:51:20.760 episode of The Art of Crime that just came out today, where I share the story of Princess Caribou,

00:51:25.060 who is, although Caribou is the name of an animal who is indigenous to North America,

00:51:32.240 specifically to Canada, she is not to do with that. So anyway, it's a story of a classic

00:51:39.200 grifter. And she's also from the same time period as this whole season, the 18th century.

00:51:44.360 Pretty exactly. Anyway, the Art of Crime podcast, you should listen to that. I am the guest on that

00:51:48.640 today. And also, as I mentioned at the beginning of the show in the little pre-show announcement,

00:51:56.740 I am going to be going on a little journée myself. I'm going to be doing some research

00:52:02.060 in London, England and in Edinburgh, Scotland. And I have made time while I'm in both cities to

00:52:08.640 see if anyone from the Titswood Brigade in those areas, your regional representatives,

00:52:13.040 would like to meet up and just like hang out. And so if you're interested in that,

00:52:17.540 if you are going to be in Edinburgh, Scotland on Wednesday, August 21st, and or London,

00:52:23.380 England on Wednesday, August 28th, then let me know. And I'm making, figuring some plans out

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Vulgar History - July 31, 2024

American Revolution, part 6： Benedict Arnold's Wife (pt 1⧸2)

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