00:00:00.000hello and welcome to vulgar history of feminist women's history comedy podcast my name is anne
00:00:16.240foster and today i'm so delighted with the author interview that you get to hear maybe as
00:00:23.180delighted as i was to to get to do this author interview so i got to speak with author hallie
00:00:28.900Rubenhold, whose name you might be familiar with, because she wrote, well, she has a new book coming
00:00:34.560out and that's what we're going to be talking about. But where I first really came across her
00:00:38.240name was her previous book, The Five, The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper,
00:00:43.240which it was an outstanding book. It came out several years ago and it's really up there for
00:00:47.820me just in terms of like women's history books. And what I found really moving about that book
00:00:53.020was it was looking at each of these women's lives and really not taking anything for granted who
00:00:56.920they were you know there's so many people who with the the victims of jack the ripper where
00:01:02.180it's just kind of like oh well they were sort of they were sex workers or like for somehow it's
00:01:07.180just kind of like they deserved it in some way and she really looked at who these women were
00:01:10.260how they got to the point where they were sleeping on the street um of white chapel at the time the
00:01:15.420jack was there and each each part of the book she tells a woman's story and then it stops she doesn't
00:01:20.300talk about their murder she doesn't get into like who was jack the ripper or like why were they killed
00:01:24.180She just tells these women stories and that's that. And I found the book so good and so interesting in that way. And it completely changed the way that I think about that era and those crimes. And so I was really excited when I saw that she had a new book coming out, which it's a historical book and it involves a crime.
00:01:40.500So I think fans of true crime would like it, but I also think fans of history would like it because she's really approaching it as a historian. It's called Story of a Murder, The Wives, The Mistress, and Dr. Crippen. And the cover of the book is this very evocative, interesting image of a music hall performer of a woman from circa 1910.
00:02:45.200But then you get to see how the friends that she had made, the other music hall vaudeville
00:02:50.960performers, how they really rallied around her and forced the police to investigate it.
00:02:55.880And they were there every step of the way to ensure that her husband was caught and
00:02:59.740found guilty of this crime. And so like this book is a lot of things. It's a history book about kind
00:03:05.500of like a place and a time, which is mostly London in 1910. But then it's also about the
00:03:11.720ways that women's lives unfolded in this era, because along with Belle Elmore, to me, the main
00:03:17.840character of the book, the main character of today's podcast, Belle Elmore, who does become
00:03:22.100the murder victim. But we also talk about Ethel Leneve, who is her husband's typist slash mistress
00:03:27.140slash next wife. The book also talks about Dr. Crippen's first wife, Charlotte, and just kind
00:03:33.280of seeing the different ways that these different women did their best to thrive and to follow and
00:03:39.860pursue their dreams in an era where there wasn't. There was more opportunity than in some eras,0.63
00:03:44.980less opportunities than in other eras. Anyway, it's such a book. There's so much in it. And I
00:03:49.500was like, okay, I'm just having this short conversation with Hallie. What do I want to
00:03:53.400focus on. And what I really wanted to talk to her about was Belle's story and the story of her and
00:03:57.760her friends. And that's really what we're going to focus on. So I really am excited for you all to
00:04:02.080hear this interview. I could not be more excited to have been able to have this conversation. And
00:04:06.680so please enjoy this conversation with author historian Hallie Rubenhold.
00:04:15.700So I am so delighted today to be joined by the author of Story of a Murder, The Wives,
00:04:21.080the Mistress, and Dr. Crippen. It's Hallie Rubenhold. Welcome, Hallie.
00:04:26.740Hello. I'm so excited to talk to you about this book. I'm such a fan of yours. I read
00:04:32.080your previous book, The Five, which recasts the whole story of looking at the women who
00:04:37.420were killed by Jack the Ripper. And part of what I loved about that book is each story ends and
00:04:42.580you don't talk about the murder at all. All you do is focus on the women. And in this book as well,
00:04:47.240I really like the way you stay in the moment with the victim of this murder, Belle, and just really focus on her life because she wasn't living her life future murder victim like she was a person living her own life.
00:05:00.640And what I would love to have you talk to people about is just who this woman was, who Belle really was, what you learned about her from your research.
00:05:08.340Well, I mean, well, first of all, I think it's really important to kind of start with what was said about her.
00:05:14.460and one of the things that made me really want to write this book
00:05:18.560was reading about what was said about her
00:05:21.120and it's really horrifying just how victim blamed she was for her own murder
00:05:27.160you know I mean it's absolutely shocking throughout the 20th century0.93
00:05:30.860what people were saying you know that she was this horrible shrew1.00
00:05:44.120she was brash she was you know kind of covetous she was just like the worst example of womanhood1.00
00:05:53.420you could ever imagine and because she was the worst example of what womanhood you could ever0.98
00:05:58.820imagine she had to be punished she became like this avatar for everything that was horrendous0.97
00:06:06.680and hideous about the modern woman and so she she just became this hate figure in true crime
00:06:15.360and as I was reading that I was just thinking this is so unbalanced and this is so bizarre
00:06:22.380and and I'm sure this cannot be true and then but I think one of the things it's always important to
00:06:30.660bear in mind you know I never set out to go and prove something it's you know you have to stay
00:06:38.760with a completely open mind as a historian and you're when you're exam when you're examining
00:06:42.960the source material and you know you know there may have been people who didn't like Belle you
00:06:49.660know like nobody's a perfect human being so of course I have to be completely open to that but
00:06:54.420what was said about her was so shocking and so disproportionately awful that I knew there was
00:07:01.480another story. And I was completely right that there was a completely different story. And
00:07:07.940the story of Belle was, well, first of all, I tried to make her into a human being, which she
00:07:14.000was, you know, she's not just a victim, you know, or, you know, a woman who was asking for it.
00:07:20.900She was a person, and she was born in Brooklyn to a mother who was German, a German immigrant, and a father who was what would be called a Prussian immigrant.
00:07:32.840He was from the border of Germany and Poland, and his last name was Makamozzi.
00:07:39.340um and her first name her first name they called her kunagunde which is a german name but they
00:07:47.980soon realized that that was not the sort of name that american tongues could get around
00:07:53.880pretty quickly and so she her name was changed to and they called her concordia they called her
00:08:00.820corine they called her cora cora stark but she was raised she was brought up in a new york in a
00:08:08.000Brooklyn tenement. And her father died when she was very young. And her mother remarried a man
00:08:12.520called Frederick Messinger, who was German. And they had a very large family. And when she was
00:08:21.240about 16, she went out to work. She's about 16, 17 years old. She went out to work and she worked
00:08:29.440for family, a man who was fairly wealthy. His name was Charles Lincoln, and he was a stove
00:08:37.720manufacturer. And he was also involved in kind of forwarding the notions of the new ideas around
00:08:43.940central heating as well, which is how he made all this money. And he had recently diversified into
00:08:48.980property and acquisition of property. Now that's important because around the time that Bell
00:08:55.220started working for them he had committed his wife to an asylum indefinitely and attempts were
00:09:04.040made to take all of her property she was quite a wealthy woman and she had property in Massachusetts
00:09:09.700and so Bell was working for him at the time and um we don't know if the relationship was consensual
00:09:17.840or not um but she soon found herself pregnant by charles lincoln and she's um very 16 17 yeah
00:09:27.96017 so he puts her in her own lodgings obviously this is a problem because he demonstrates no
00:09:36.940desire to to marry her but you know he's also entangled his wife isn't dead she's in an asylum
00:09:43.320um and um and it's decided well that she needs an abortion now she has an abortion at the time
00:09:52.200it is highly highly illegal in the state of new york and all over the united states to have an
00:09:56.980abortion you can go to prison for 20 years for even attempting an abortion on a woman who may
00:10:02.880or may not even have been pregnant um but doctors were willing to perform these these procedures on
00:10:09.780women for the right amount of money. There was a man called Dr. Jeffries, uh, who performed this
00:10:14.980on Bell and he was assisted by another doctor called Holly Harvey Crippen. In the wake of this
00:10:23.860abortion, Dr. Crippen, um, who was, who was older than her, he was, he was in his thirties at the
00:10:30.960time and she was about 18 dr crippen and and bell started to have a relationship and this is just
00:10:40.860just pause this is the strangest beginning of a relationship absolutely i mean it's it's it's
00:10:47.120very weird but you know this is obviously this is a very different time doctors were regarded with
00:10:54.000you know being a doctor was enormously prestigious you know people listened to what doctors said
00:11:00.220And also his whole approach was he was very solicitous and very kind towards women and very charming, people said, that he had this sort of charming allure, even though I don't think, and you can look at his photograph, that he was particularly attractive.
00:11:22.480He was a very small man with a huge kind of walrus mustache and big glasses.
00:11:28.560But what women found attractive in the late 19th century was a very different thing, I0.65
00:11:35.380think, from what most of us would find attractive now, because women were taught to be, you
00:11:40.600know, acquiescent and to be submissive to men.
00:11:45.080And, you know, and a man was supposed to be a provider and he was supposed to take care0.96
00:11:49.940of you and he was supposed to do everything for you.
00:11:51.800Well, what, what could be a better example of that than a, than a medical doctor who was going to take care of you? And so they ran away. They went to Jersey city. New Jersey had different laws surrounding marriage at that time. You didn't need to get a marriage license. You could just elope, get married, which is what they did. And that is, and that is how the marriage started.
00:12:14.680and also the fact she is still they were not courting for years especially they eloped so
00:12:21.260he's in his 30s she's a teenager and this is when when they get together and I think in her story
00:12:26.620like you see a lot today too just sort of like an older man and a very um young woman and the
00:12:33.740older man might like the younger woman because she's so impressionable like you can sort of like
00:12:37.840train her to be the sort of woman you want her to be and then as she matures and develops her
00:12:42.940own independent personality yes kind of sours of her and i i see that in this in this relationship
00:12:50.040for sure but so they they move around but can you talk about um he did not want children and
00:12:55.780she wanted children and what he did about that yeah well this is this is the thing that you know
00:13:01.440i mean crippen so crippen had had a wife before uh he was married to bell and her name um was
00:13:09.440Charlotte Bell. And she was an Irish immigrant who became a nurse. They were married for about
00:13:17.620four years. And she had a son by him called Otto. And then she just died suddenly of what he claimed
00:13:26.580to be a stroke. On one hand, well, that was actually was written on the on the death certificate.
00:13:33.160but he told um the the trade journals that you know the medical journals um he he provided an
00:13:41.600obituary for her and he said that she died of a heart attack so that's kind of strange and so this
00:13:47.560was in salt lake city she died and was buried within 72 hours in the dead of winter when the
00:13:53.540ground was still frozen and um she was basically dumped into a pauper's grave with no with no
00:14:00.660grave marking at all you know so what on earth was going on there you know it's it's entirely
00:14:07.760possible that he did murder her as well but it was it's very hard to find any actual substantial
00:14:14.300evidence that really kind of points to that absolutely however he had one child and he
00:14:22.500quickly handed that child off to his parents to raise and didn't want any more. And so when he
00:14:30.600married Belle, he, and Belle really wanted children and she was raised, you know, Victorian women
00:14:37.040were raised to want to be mothers. That was their main, that was the primary function they were told
00:14:44.060in life was to get married and have children. And however, he didn't want any more. So he came up
00:14:50.360with an excuse for Belle to have her ovaries removed at the age of 21. And the unfortunate
00:14:59.280thing was, you know, both her mother and her sisters both subsequently said there was absolutely
00:15:04.500nothing physically wrong with her at all. She didn't have painful periods. She didn't have any
00:15:09.000problems. And in fact, after the ovaries were removed, Crippen said they were healthy. But what
00:15:15.740she did actually have also was a prolapsed uterus and that was that was never dealt with and so at
00:15:23.300the age of 21 she's suddenly thrown into what's called surgical menopause without any obviously
00:15:30.280HRT and she I mean you can imagine how much she suffered as a result of this but not psychologically
00:15:38.200suffered and she found the surgery extremely traumatic so that she talked about it for the
00:15:43.820rest of her life and then she had this unfulfilled maternal instinct she's she's a person who really
00:15:51.360wanted to have children but also she was raised like in the tenement and everything like you said
00:15:55.700like around a family around a huge support system and being with Crippen she found herself not only
00:16:01.500she didn't have children but she didn't have anyone around her she was quite lonely so can0.84
00:16:05.740you explain how they wound up in England where she was even more isolated yeah well I mean so
00:16:11.780So Crippen at the time was, so he had started his career, he had really, you know, he had wanted to be a legitimate doctor, bearing in mind that the field of medicine that he chose was homeopathy, which at the time was considered a legitimate alternative to orthodox medicine.
00:16:28.120he also at the time had a speciality a specialism in obstetrics and gynecology as well as in um in
00:16:37.460the eye uh and uh and and the ear um and so he was he was kind of trying to make a name for himself
00:16:46.640as that and then eventually he gives up on that we don't know why something rather mysterious
00:16:50.540happens at some point and he picks up with a man called james monroe munyon who was this incredibly
00:16:57.520successful patent medicine salesman, you know, I mean, snake oil, complete snake oil salesman who
00:17:03.240made a ton of money. And really from that point, you know, Crippen just kind of spirals into
00:17:09.060medical fraud, actual stock fraud, Ponzi schemes, as we would call them today, all sorts of fraud.
00:17:18.160And that's how he earns his living. So at this time, when he was working for Munyon,
00:17:23.980Munyon sends him to London to open up a branch of Munyon's remedies there. And, you know, following Bell's overotomy, as it was called, and having been robbed of the opportunity to have children, I think it's just an astonishing thing for her to do for a woman of that time who would have, you know, completely thrown herself into her husband's career.
00:17:52.280she decided she was going to become an opera singer and she took opera lessons and she really
00:17:58.780really worked at this and and you know he supported that ambition and then when they
00:18:03.360moved to London she realized well it's gonna be rather hard for me to break into opera here
00:18:07.840however she had been told that music hall vaudeville was much easier and so she reinvented
00:18:14.640herself again and said well I'm gonna go on the stage and be a music hall performer now
00:18:18.580and she really like every every single time she decides to do something she just throws herself
00:18:24.360into it absolutely you know she's complete gusto uh she loves what she does you know she was
00:18:31.120she wasn't a bad you know this is the thing like there's a lot of mileage that's been got out of
00:18:37.640like taking pot shots at bell and saying oh she's a terrible terrible singer and she was like
00:18:42.840ridiculously bad there's absolutely not one iota of evidence that she was bad in fact i found quite
00:18:50.040the contrary looking at reviews said she got you know ovations and on she did encores and but you
00:18:56.740know like much like hollywood today or anything it's incredibly hard to break into the music hall
00:19:02.020you know and not everybody soars to the heights of mary lloyd or dan leno or you know all these
00:19:09.080people who were incredibly famous that we remember today, she was just another music
00:19:15.300hall performer. And, you know, after, you know, several years, she wasn't making the
00:19:21.140name for herself that she wanted to. And then she switched again into working for a
00:19:29.080professional charity called the Music Hall Ladies Guild, which was a charity run by
00:19:34.000women, four women in the music hall who'd fallen on hard times, who, you know, couldn't pay their
00:19:40.000rent, couldn't pay their doctor's bills, needed coal for their fire, needed clothes for themselves0.98
00:19:44.960and their children. And she raised money for them and she became the treasure of the music
00:19:49.600hall Ladies Guild. And that is where she really found herself and found, you know, found her
00:19:54.800metier. She was, she loved it. And she raised a load of money for those who were in difficult
00:20:02.680times and she also found the the circle of sort of found family among these women like she found
00:20:10.160such true genuine friendships there it was really lovely to see how she how she found a purpose for0.58
00:20:16.700herself like that when she couldn't be a mother but she found a way to care for people but she
00:20:20.360found these people she found these friends it was that's such a lovely I heard you on another
00:20:26.220podcast where you said that's kind of her happy ending the landing in this place yeah yeah
00:20:31.380completely her happy ending and you know what's so nice is like obviously you know bell wants to
00:20:36.140be famous and she wants to be celebrated well the interesting thing is she ends up spending all of
00:20:41.280her time around these incredibly famous people and she's embraced in their circle and so is
00:20:46.440and they throw parties and they go to balls and they go this is the singer jeanette wedding which
00:20:54.140is really really amazing where they um these two circus families because circus was encompassed
00:21:00.180into the music hall as well, Circus X.
00:21:30.180I mean, it's interesting that like shortly before she dies, she is honored every year.
00:21:37.720The Musical Ladies Guild have this dinner and they honor like their like kind of I was going to say like employee or member of the year.
00:21:46.340And that year it was Belle. And she was for everything that she had done for them.
00:21:52.200And she was awarded that night with this bracelet. And I love it.
00:21:55.940I just think like if, you know, if we did merch, like having a gold bangle with the words to the hustler on it would just be the greatest thing.
00:22:04.440So she was given this bangle that said to the hustler and, you know, bouquet of flowers and a, you know, and a framed letter of appreciation and a box of gloves, you know, ladies gloves.
00:22:16.420And she posed for her picture and it was in all of the, you know, it was in the era and, you know, and all the trade magazines and the trade papers.
00:22:25.700And, you know, so she was really celebrated and people knew who she was.
00:22:29.380And it was in many ways like a happy ending because in a couple of months time, she would be murdered.
00:22:35.980And that photograph is in the photo section of your book.
00:25:34.080were a couple doors down the hall from each other
00:25:35.900because bell had been the one who had secured the office space for them and so they're on top of him
00:25:41.400all the time asking questions and following him around going to his house as you said you know
00:25:46.460they hired a private detective who trails him can't find out anything they go to scotland yard1.00
00:25:51.700scotland yard dismisses them because they're just you know bohemian ladies you know and you know1.00
00:25:56.900what they those sorts of women are like and then finally it's not really until um lillian nash who1.00
00:26:04.820was the superstar performer um she was american um and you know she traveled both sides of the0.58
00:26:10.900atlantic all the time and with her husband who was her manager it wasn't until john nash and
00:26:16.620lillian nash on john nash especially went to scotland yard and said look this is this is a
00:26:22.900real problem our friend is gone that scotland yard said okay well a man's talking now we're
00:26:27.800going to listen to him chief inspector walter jew was put on the case and um you know and again
00:26:34.460And Walter Jew took his time because, again, he wasn't hugely convinced that, you know, these bohemian people tend to do unorthodox things.
00:26:44.280And maybe she has just kind of run off somewhere.
00:26:47.020And so he just started interviewing people.
00:26:49.120And then eventually he interviewed Crippen.
00:26:50.760And it was after he interviewed Crippen that he realized, hmm, something's amiss here.
00:26:57.240And so at that point, I mean, the police are involved.
00:41:35.720so again could not recommend this book anymore it's such a good read in addition to everything
00:41:45.680we got into in this episode which i hope you know entices you don't want to read the book because
00:41:49.520that's like one plot strand in the whole thing because the book also gets into how this crime
00:41:54.500was solved like more details about all of the women's lives it also talks about kind of how
00:41:58.720the crime probably happened and the aftermath and it's involving stuff and we mentioned the episode
00:42:04.460like we're in New York City or in California or in London, we get to Quebec. I think Toronto
00:42:11.040was there at one point, like it's crisscrossing back and forth over the Atlantic, but just the
00:42:15.020way that the crime, the way that Hallie describes the way that kind of the suspense of, you know,
00:42:21.220this is going to happen, but how is it going to happen? Then the investigation, the chase for Dr.
00:42:25.840Crippen, like it's also cinematic. And I'm really, I'm so happy that it's going to be adapted into a
00:42:31.180TV series, because I think even more so than a movie, like a TV series, you can really get into
00:42:36.000all these really cinematic moments that happen. And Hallie tells it so well. And if you can't tell,
00:42:40.500I am obsessed with this book and I love it. And I think it's great. Story of a Murder,
00:42:43.900The Wives, The Mistress, and Dr. Crippen. It's available all over the place. So it's available
00:42:48.360in the UK, Commonwealth Territories. It's available in North America, hopefully other
00:42:52.320places as well. And I really recommend you read it. And if you read it, let me know what you think.
00:42:57.380and so in terms of this podcast i am excited to let you know also that um
00:43:06.860so starting next week we're going to be diving back into our marie antoinette season what is
00:43:14.960this it's like season seven part three i guess it's the women of the revolution starting next
00:43:20.800week we're going to be looking every week for the next several weeks about different women
00:43:26.000revolutionaries, women who are involved in the French Revolution on the revolution0.70
00:43:29.500side. And it's a complex thing. And I think it's gratifying to me that some of the same people0.92
00:43:37.140we've talked about before in both the American Revolution parts of this season, as well as in
00:43:42.240when we were looking at what was happening in France, like Lafayette is showing up, like the
00:43:46.060Chevalier St. George is there, like obviously Marie Antoinette comes up a bunch, but
00:43:50.420The season is kind of starting to, all these disparate parts of the Marie Antoinette season are kind of starting to get closer to each other. I'm making a gesture with my hands you can't see. I'm moving my hands slowly closer together with my fingers outstretched and eventually the fingers are going to all interconnect.
00:44:06.000so this this part of the the series i'm really excited to tell you these stories as well because
00:44:11.420again a lot of these women kind of like belle elmore what they actually did um has some overlap
00:44:17.600with what they're remembered for doing but not entirely overlap like a lot of them got sort of
00:44:22.200lost in these myths and legends of these female revolutionaries and we'll be looking for the next0.97
00:44:26.280several weeks i don't want to say exactly because i keep finding more revolutionary women i want to0.67
00:44:31.700talk about, but it's going to be at least six or seven weeks. And that's starting next week.0.60
00:44:36.760Although I will say coming up on Friday, it's going to be another Canadian Heritage Minute
00:44:41.980episode. And we'll have a special announcement in that episode. So Friday, Canadian Heritage
00:44:49.700Minute with a special episode about the Canadian Heritage Minutes. And then next Wednesday,
00:44:54.620Women of the Revolution, get ready. There's a lot of heads being chopped off that we're going1.00
00:45:00.060be talking about on this podcast coming up really soon. And so actually, I'm going to say one more
00:45:04.860thing, which is that what I, after we finished recording, I was telling Hallie about my book
00:45:09.020that I have coming out next year about Carolina Brunswick, Rebel of the Regency, and how it kind
00:45:13.700of, the way that Belle Elmore was presented and was kind of often popularly thought of as just0.92
00:45:20.560this kind of like messy, annoying woman who kind of deserved to be murdered. It reminded me so much
00:45:25.680of the legacy of carolina brunswick who's reminded who's often until my book comes out um still
00:45:31.860thought of as this kind of like smelly annoying mess anyway and so she and i were just commiserating
00:45:37.420for a bit about how women's stories um are so often just fall victim especially women who are
00:45:42.460outspoken or who step outside the norm maybe there's people who support them during their
00:45:46.520life but after they die it's uh their legacies can often be handled by the men who hate them
00:45:53.840and the patriarchy that doesn't want to remember that women like that ever existed. So anyway,
00:45:58.780just another connection between that book and my book. And if you want to know the latest,
00:46:02.560what's happening, things are happening. Pre-orders are going to be happening soon for my book,
00:46:06.960Rebel of the Regency. The way that you can get updates on that and everything else that I'm up
00:46:12.160to, like in-person appearances where I'm going to be going to Toronto this summer, you can get
00:46:17.980all the news about that in my mailing list newsletter. So if you sign up for my mailing
00:46:22.440list, I send out an email once per month. It's not overwhelming at all. It's kind of like the
00:46:26.660top hits of like what I'm up to because I know I'm up to a lot. And if you just want to know the
00:46:31.820major breaking news, so you can sign up for your Vulgar History news, your Ann Foster news,
00:46:36.620your Canadian Heritage Minutes news, go to vulgarhistory.com slash news. And I put the
00:46:41.680link here in the show notes as well. So you can sign up for that. If you just, if nothing else,
00:46:46.320that's the way that you can keep up with what I'm up to. I also have a sub stack,
00:46:50.180vulgarhistory.substack.com where I'm kind of busy at the moment. I'm on a petite hiatus from
00:46:56.940Substack while I finish like writing my book. But anyway, that's where I post essays about women0.98
00:47:01.520from history. It's usually something like every other week. There's a thing there that you can
00:47:05.660read. You can also, if you want even more updates from me, not just the once a month email,
00:47:11.860you want more, you want all the details. So I have a Patreon. So how Patreon works is basically
00:47:17.000you subscribe to get my updates and if you do that like you can become a free member and then
00:47:21.840what you'll see there is I post questions there I post some audio things there I'm going to be
00:47:28.060posting some I have been posting free episodes there for everybody who joins the Patreon just
00:47:33.580updates about me and my book and what's going on I just didn't ask me anything a couple weeks ago
00:47:38.060with questions from people from the Patreon and I think I'll be doing an ask me anything probably
00:47:43.200every month or so, just because there's so much to tell you. And I want to share all this
00:47:48.320information with people who want to hear it. And also just because of, you know, I've talked about
00:47:52.500this before, but like the social media in general, it's kind of like everyone's on different social
00:47:56.420media. And then like, you're just like a victim, a victim of the algorithm. Do people see the
00:48:02.960things you post? Not always. Anyway, so if you actually want to know what I'm up to, you can
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00:49:12.160and i will say as i've been reading about women from the french revolution i've got two new so0.99
00:49:18.660this asshole candidates who i will be yelling about and so this asshole episode is probably0.99
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00:50:02.000Jewelry, which I know a lot of people are being mindful these days about where the products that
00:50:07.460they purchase are coming from and that sort of thing. And so I saw Tori, the owner of Common
00:50:11.740Era Jewelry, was posting like their stuff is manufactured all in America. So if you're in
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00:50:44.740just like, oh, wow, what a nice company. It's like beautiful jewelry as well. So what Tori makes
00:50:49.660these beautiful designs that are inspired by women from history and also from just kind of like
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00:52:00.480company that does it but now their site is called like the dashery and it just kind of looks nicer
00:52:05.120it's a bit easier to um browse i find like it's just kind of like here's all the design so you
00:52:09.580click on the design and then from the design you can choose which product you want like a sticker
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00:53:03.200Frankly, that's where I'm posting the most stuff.
00:53:04.760Anyway, if you're in Canada, there is an election coming up and I, I want to make sure that my vote counts as best it can. And by which I mean, for me, I'm supporting anyone who is not Pierre Proleff.
00:53:26.120And so if you want to figure out kind of where should you vote, should you vote for the NDP, should you vote for the Liberal Party, like how is your writing leaning, like which makes sense if there's not a vote split.
00:53:39.180So if you go to smartvoting.ca is a website where you can type in your postal code and it'll kind of look at your writing and kind of how the polls are going to help you decide who to vote for.
00:53:49.860Because it's, as we're all seeing in the world right now, it's really important to vote and to vote for someone who you think is going to support the things that are important to you.
00:53:59.380And for me, that's anyone other than Pierre Poirot Love is who I want to vote for.
00:54:03.240anyway so Friday we've got a Canadian Heritage Minute and a special Canadian Heritage Minute
00:54:08.720special announcement next week next week French Revolution Liberté Sororité just heads are going1.00
00:54:19.040to cut off these women are like we're all you know sans culottes which doesn't mean no what it means1.00
00:54:25.160it means no knickers but you're wearing long trousers but to me it just really sounds like0.87
00:54:29.480people are out there Winnie the Pooh-ing it,