Vulgar History - French Revolution： Witnesses (part 2)： Madame du Barry Lost Her Head

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00:00:30.000 Hello, and welcome to Vulgar History, a feminist women's history comedy podcast. My name is

00:00:43.840 Anne Foster, and this is season seven, part two. So this whole season, it's slowly winding

00:00:50.140 away to talk about Marie Antoinette. And to do that, we're looking at the world around

00:00:55.940 her and the people around her and kind of what was all going on. And last week, we're

00:01:00.000 week we started in on i'm calling this section of the series meanwhile back in france because the

00:01:06.120 first part was kind of in other countries like america and so last time we started the saga of

00:01:10.880 jean bessue aka madame du berry and we left things with a cliffhanger last week where she 0.99

00:01:17.780 she succeeded in doing the whatever it was like five backward curtsies in her diamond encrusted

00:01:23.340 gown and she officially was introduced at court and became officially the maitre sans teacher

00:01:29.180 the official mistress of King Louis the 15th.

00:01:33.660 What's going to happen next?

00:01:35.100 I mean, based on the timeline,

00:01:37.600 we're going to meet Marie Antoinette.

00:01:39.740 She's going to be in this story.

00:01:41.360 And the French Revolution is going to occur 0.54

00:01:44.780 in the lifetime of this woman. 1.00

00:01:47.440 So our special guest last week and this week

00:01:49.760 is Amanda Matta.

00:01:51.600 And I'm so happy to have her here on the show

00:01:53.580 because this is like, you could tell

00:01:54.740 what I'm guessing most people listening to this

00:01:57.040 heard part one already.

00:01:57.880 like this is her sweet spot Amanda loves this story she loves this time period and I love

00:02:03.700 I love having guests on where they get to talk about their favorite thing so you know we're

00:02:08.760 gonna get right into it we're gonna finish up this saga of Madame du Barry and then I'll have

00:02:14.200 some more information and news for you afterwards 1.00

00:02:17.400 and so she is put into this role that like is inherently political but she doesn't 0.98

00:02:29.760 care about that side of things i think she's just happy to get that that she saw francesca

00:02:34.600 had when she was young it's just like her rooms she decorates them i think i read it was in the

00:02:39.400 joan has a biography that like she chose like the best most exquisite you know furniture paintings

00:02:45.620 everything like she had the best taste and her apartments were gorgeous like her style and her

00:02:50.320 taste was just perfect and she's just like living exactly the life she wanted like just oh my gosh 0.98

00:02:55.180 fancy person bathing in roses like she's she's killing it she's that's all she ever wanted 1.00

00:02:59.860 she's basically getting princess perks without like you know having to be a princess and actually 0.74

00:03:05.440 represent the monarchy they're they're mistress perks i guess but yeah she becomes this like 0.96

00:03:09.960 patroness of the arts, whether it's decorative arts or the fine arts, literature, philosophers.

00:03:18.760 Madame de Pompadour before her had kind of patronized Voltaire. So that's the realm we're

00:03:23.360 operating in here. She would entertain, even at her morning levee ceremony, her waking up ceremony,

00:03:32.980 and when she was sitting down to have her makeup and her hair done, she would entertain.

00:03:36.540 tradesmen would come in, artists and artisans would come in and present her with samples

00:03:42.300 of whatever they produced, jewelry, porcelain, fabric, dress designs. And she, I can imagine

00:03:50.220 just sitting there, you know, waving her hand, giving cues, yes or no. But she's not so much

00:03:56.160 interested in the politics, either the court intrigue side of things or the national level

00:04:04.060 politics, which other mistresses have been interested in in the past. Mostly, again, 0.92

00:04:09.920 Madame de Pompadour and all those official mistresses that have come before her,

00:04:14.040 they have had some hand in influencing foreign policy or at some sort of national interest level,

00:04:21.100 what the king is going to be deciding. And Du Barry, not so much into the politics.

00:04:27.040 There is a painting of her doing her morning toilette routine. There's just like her sitting

00:04:32.940 there and her, her young servant, who we will talk about, um, who bringing her, her morning

00:04:39.460 hot chocolate and she's just looking glamorous and beautiful. So yeah, she was just people like,

00:04:44.760 oh my gosh, what's this going to mean politically? And it's like, guess what? Nothing. Cause she just

00:04:48.720 wants to like have a nice time and help the King have a good time. Yes. Yeah. And that's all that

00:04:55.100 he wanted of her, but people, even though she had been introduced at court, she was not welcomed by

00:05:01.760 everybody including by the king's daughters his unmarried daughters the mesdames mesdames tantes 0.98

00:05:09.180 who are they who are just bitches yeah salty bitches again fabulously portrayed in the 1.00

00:05:16.540 sophia coppola movie i think you get all you need to know about them from that movie um yeah they're 1.00

00:05:22.100 very very rigid and they're like upholding court etiquette and again they see her as this interloper

00:05:29.700 and they kind of pass that view down to Marie Antoinette when she enters Versailles as

00:05:35.780 the 14-year-old Dauphine of France.

00:05:39.980 Well, she shows up. So she's, yeah, again, she's like a young teenager.

00:05:44.040 She shows up there. Like Marie Antoinette also, I would say, not entirely prepared for Versailles

00:05:48.420 either. But yeah, the madame sort of like take her under their wing and they're like,

00:05:52.640 here's what Versailles is like. We're going to protect you, but also we all hate Madame

00:05:56.340 Dewberry so you have to also hate her as well and this becomes a huge thing oh it's legendary

00:06:01.820 the feud that becomes like part of Dewberry and Marie Antoinette's story absolutely legendary um

00:06:10.080 she gets ostracized yeah by some courtiers others are courting her going to her rooms to ask for

00:06:15.480 favors um but yeah the biggest challenge that she faces I think is Marie Antoinette um coming in

00:06:22.500 and instantly deciding like, this is my enemy and I'm 14 years old and I'm the daughter of 1.00

00:06:29.260 the Austrian Empress and like, fuck everybody. Which is not a side of Marie Antoinette you 1.00

00:06:34.060 often get to hear about. Um, but she was, I think, pretty snobby when it came to Dewberry. 1.00

00:06:41.100 Yeah. Well, there's a whole thing. Actually, I think first, when she first saw Madame Dewberry,

00:06:45.460 like there was the like, welcome Marie Antoinette dinner or whatever. And there's a whole thing

00:06:50.700 about like, will Madame du Barry attend? And she did. And then Marie Antoinette, not knowing who

00:06:55.720 she was yet, was just like, oh my God, who is that most gorgeous person I've ever, who is that 0.66

00:06:59.660 beautiful person? Like the angels are singing and they're like, oh, she keeps the King happy.

00:07:05.520 I think she's here to bring pleasure to the King. Yeah. Yes, yes, exactly. So then Marie Antoinette

00:07:11.540 is just like, oh my gosh. And then she just doesn't talk to her. That's the thing. She never, 1.00

00:07:15.900 and that it's this becomes a political issue because Marie Antoinette is there because of

00:07:23.160 this alliance with Austria um but so it's becoming like a huge thing absolutely Marie Antoinette

00:07:31.880 comes in because of her rank from birth as a daughter of the Empress of Austria she is here

00:07:37.500 to cement this alliance which by the way the Austrian alliance I'm sure you'll cover this in

00:07:42.620 the Marie proper episode very unpopular people did not like this alliance and Marie Antoinette 0.95

00:07:49.480 thinks she should be number one in everyone's eyes she should be the first lady at court she

00:07:55.020 should be leading society and she comes in and the reality is this woman from the streets of Paris

00:08:00.560 is already occupying that role and as much as everybody despised Du Barry you cannot argue

00:08:07.360 that she was the chosen one to lead society at Versailles and she's hosting these parties

00:08:12.500 which the king does have to demand that people attend so that they don't like completely snub

00:08:19.620 Du Barry but at this point when Marie Antoinette comes in she's pretty well cemented as you know 0.98

00:08:24.620 the arbiter of taste at Versailles um and Marie Antoinette decides that she's gonna yeah she's 0.90

00:08:31.360 going to be DuBerry's enemy. She wants to be number one in King Louis' heart, which is an

00:08:38.340 interesting dynamic, I think, because DuBerry is so young as well. She's in her 20s, Marie Antoinette's

00:08:45.420 14, 15. And DuBerry, I think a lot of her appeal is her youthfulness. So here's this woman, girl,

00:08:53.060 10 years younger coming in and kind of representing the new wave at court, the next generation. So

00:08:58.800 there's this interesting like power dynamic just between court factions that instantly comes into

00:09:03.580 play with Marie Antoinette and DuBerry. And so it escalates like she's, her mother is to Marie

00:09:09.600 Antoinette, like her mother is being like, you need, you need to say hi to this woman. And

00:09:13.340 Marie Antoinette is like, no, I never will. Um, then eventually. It's almost an international

00:09:17.160 incident, honestly. Yeah. Louis and the Austrian ambassador had to meet and they made an agreement

00:09:23.500 that like marie antoinette will say hi to madame du perry i can imagine the workshopping that went

00:09:30.040 on like okay what's she gonna say where are they gonna be when's this gonna happen um and the

00:09:36.040 courtiers are just eating their popcorn watching this because if there's anything that society 1.00

00:09:41.180 loves it's to watch two royal adjacent women like fighting um we love that so yeah there's like this

00:09:48.360 decided meeting that happens between Marie Antoinette and DuBerry in the middle of court

00:09:54.620 at Versailles on just kind of like a random morning. Marie Antoinette goes up to her and

00:10:00.300 obviously DuBerry, because she's a mistress and Marie Antoinette is the Dauphine, the heir, 0.89

00:10:06.080 the heir's wife. DuBerry cannot talk to her first. It has to come from Marie Antoinette.

00:10:12.060 And Marie Antoinette goes up to her and she decides to say, there are a lot of people at

00:10:16.200 Versailles today. And it worked. That's all it took. The king and-

00:10:22.120 And they never spoke again.

00:10:23.820 Ever. The king and the mistress were, quote, gushingly grateful for this. It's not even

00:10:30.860 a sign of approval. It's just the bare minimum to prove or to demonstrate that there's no real

00:10:37.740 rivalry happening here so that we don't have to go to war with Austria.

00:10:40.900 it's bananas it's amazing and you know the madams i'm sure we're so mad about it oh my

00:10:48.040 god seething again a great if you haven't watched the sophia coppola movie a great scene

00:10:53.400 um it plays out fabulously and you can really feel the tension riding on this moment

00:11:00.360 i do want to mention so just in this essay i'm looking at it mentions that at one point

00:11:05.540 DuBerry tried to win over Marie Antoinette with an offer of some very expensive earrings

00:11:10.260 and Marie Antoinette did not reply. But this reminds me that I want to say that Madame DuBerry,

00:11:16.100 so she loved luxurious, beautiful things. She loved jewels. The whole affair of the diamond

00:11:23.000 necklace was those guys who made that ugly necklace, that was for her. Because she was 0.68

00:11:29.520 so known to like diamonds. She loved diamonds. Louis would shower her with jewels. That was

00:11:35.260 like the one thing she collected. And it was interesting. I was reading Madame de Pompadour

00:11:40.060 before Du Barry, she's her predecessor. She would also get these gifts. The king would shower her

00:11:45.560 with diamonds, but sometimes she would sell them or trade them. And she would provide dowries for

00:11:51.760 young women in her circle. She would, at one point she sold some of her diamonds to like fund a 0.99

00:11:57.280 hospital. When she passed away, she bequeathed her entire collection of jewels back to the kingdom

00:12:03.100 so that it could fund, I think it was a war.

00:12:06.960 DuBerry, not into being generous with her jewels. 1.00

00:12:10.700 She is hoarding them. 0.97

00:12:13.220 She loves them so much.

00:12:14.640 To her detriment, but we'll get to that.

00:12:17.080 Yeah, we'll get to that.

00:12:17.880 That's foreshadowing. 1.00

00:12:18.940 But yeah, she, but also is a trendsetter. 1.00

00:12:21.860 Despite the way that people look down on her 0.98

00:12:24.300 for loving jewelry,

00:12:26.420 she is actually influencing like trends.

00:12:30.140 Elizabeth Herman writes, it's very interesting.

00:12:32.400 She writes that in the 18th century, the beginning of the century, court women were only wearing like one type of jewel at a time.

00:12:40.640 They would either wear like pearls or diamonds or emeralds or rubies. 0.98

00:12:45.460 They wouldn't mix jewelry in, or they wouldn't mix gemstones in pieces of jewelry.

00:12:50.780 Du Barry, in her patronizing of the arts, she's encouraging jewelers to get a little experimental and to mix gemstones and mix metals and, yeah, put a ruby next to a sapphire. 0.97

00:13:01.820 Let's see what that looks like. And so she's, she's, she loves jewelry. She just like is very

00:13:08.120 into it. It's her hobby. And she is influencing taste at court, but because she is set up as the

00:13:14.780 rival to Marie Antoinette, there is kind of this dichotomy of, you know, some people will see that

00:13:20.480 as a good thing. Some people will see that as a bad thing. And yeah, the diamond necklace affair

00:13:24.740 is a really good indicator of this because that necklace, it's so gaudy, but you know,

00:13:30.560 DuBerry would have like very proudly worn that piece of that monstrosity. But unfortunately,

00:13:38.040 Louis dies before he can actually complete the purchase for her. But yeah, that's who it was

00:13:42.620 originally commissioned for. When that part of the story slid into place for me, because I know

00:13:47.880 the Diamond Necklace Affair, that was one of the first episodes I ever did. I was just like,

00:13:51.180 oh, I'm like, oh, this is the woman who would have liked that. Got it. Got it. And nobody else

00:13:57.660 wants this piece of jewelry because it's so gaudy somebody described it comparing it to an animal

00:14:03.380 halter because it would have like hung around your neck like a yoke um so it's huge and duberry is

00:14:09.760 i think the only person who would have like enjoyed that piece of jewelry absolutely but

00:14:15.540 yes i mean this is like louie does die so she's in this role of mistress for basically five years

00:14:20.840 and then he gets smallpox yes and then he was sick a few times while they were together i guess

00:14:27.460 you could say. And he's always recovered from it before. And it's never really put a damper on his

00:14:33.300 sexual appetites. There's one story of her going to his bedside while he's sick. And he's using

00:14:39.260 his disfigured hand to grope her breasts because it's making him feel alive. But in, I think it's 0.95

00:14:46.620 1774, he gets terminally ill with smallpox, which is a big bummer for Dewberry.

00:14:53.120 There's one, there's a moment in the Joan Heslop biography where it says like there's two,

00:14:58.160 it's not entirely a flattering biography, but Joan Heslop says like there's two times where

00:15:03.380 Madame DuBerry was like admirable and brave. And one of those times was when she went to see him

00:15:07.880 when he had smallpox and she held his hand, knowing that that would maybe give her smallpox too.

00:15:13.920 Yeah. She, she's not very popular in the country at this time. People know that she loves jewelry.

00:15:20.500 she's starting to actually be blamed for like everything wrong with the monarchy because

00:15:25.800 in the background the revolution is in like the very early stages so there is kind of this 0.96

00:15:32.220 other side to do very aside from the frivolous like beautiful woman she does kind of sometimes

00:15:37.740 her human nature peeks through and she does go to louis the 15th bedside and nurse him through

00:15:43.600 this illness until she is sent away also i read that the reason he caught smallpox here i'm

00:15:50.280 horrified at this it was because he loved to examine dead bodies and had like went to visit

00:15:56.840 the coffin of a girl who i guess had had smallpox and was about to be buried but he didn't know that

00:16:01.500 she had had smallpox he was like oh it's his dead body and they're all like oh we can't tell him 0.71

00:16:05.060 she don't have smallpox because the king is so afraid of smallpox let him yeah crazy cuckoo

00:16:10.260 bananas um so the king gets smallpox and he is on his deathbed and in the past when he's been sick

00:16:17.500 his ministers will come in and they'll do the whole, do you want absolution for your sins?

00:16:24.040 Let's do confession, give you communion, and then you can die peacefully. They'll do that

00:16:27.360 whole thing because he's the king. And he, in those cases, sends whoever his mistress is at

00:16:34.780 the time away so that he can be absolved of all his sins. And then he'll bring the mistress back

00:16:40.860 when he gets better. And this has happened a couple of times before, but this time, this is

00:16:46.020 the big one and he is convinced to send Dewberry away and right away I think instantly regrets it

00:16:53.880 he asks her for her to be brought to him and he gets told like she's already gone and he weeps

00:16:59.820 because he wants her by his side but it's this weird official relationship that is frowned upon

00:17:07.120 in the eyes of the church so he can't have her with him on his deathbed and then like that's it

00:17:14.000 for her and her Versailles era like she yeah Marie Antoinette is not gonna let her stay yeah 0.98

00:17:20.100 she just she is she leaves she goes off to live in a place called Louvisienne well before she gets

00:17:30.880 so Lou yeah I can't pronounce it either either it's a very long word Louvis Lou so that's the

00:17:39.100 chateau that the king had given her but before she makes it there she's actually briefly sent

00:17:44.080 off to a convent oh that's right yes louis on his deathbed is like coerced into signing a document

00:17:51.480 that will basically imprison duberry at a convent um the pont pontodam so the bridge of women

00:17:58.980 this place is it's a thousand year old convent it is dark and damp and dank and depressing

00:18:06.180 um duberry is going from lavish like living large at versailles to literally it sounds like living

00:18:13.100 in a cellar um she pulls some strings with some of her allies at court who she's going from she

00:18:20.600 used to have like 16 footmen and 16 maids waiting on her to now i think she had to pull strings to 0.99

00:18:27.920 get one maid and to get some very basic furniture brought in including a bed and some chairs like 1.00

00:18:33.520 she wasn't going to have furniture. So she goes to live at this convent. But remember, she 0.90

00:18:40.500 had a convent education. The way of life there, I don't think is foreign to her. It's just very

00:18:46.160 different to how she has been living at Versailles. So she wins. She charms the nuns. She wins over

00:18:51.920 the nuns. She goes to prayers with them every day. She helps them with chores. And a year later,

00:18:58.660 her exile is lifted essentially she's not allowed back at court but she's allowed to leave this

00:19:04.820 convent and the nuns also as she's driving away are weeping and sobbing to see her go

00:19:11.460 because they love her so much that's the thing like she's and partially it's the hotness because 0.86

00:19:17.000 that just makes people like people but she was just like a sweet nice person like she just had 1.00

00:19:22.720 a good personality too yeah again a little different than the sofia coppola movie where

00:19:29.000 asia argento is i think cast to like be a foil to marie antoinette in that movie

00:19:34.560 and we're seeing it through marie's eyes um but yeah it sounds like everyone who actually met

00:19:40.440 and interacted with duberry enjoyed being around her yeah it's so interesting like that she like

00:19:47.160 she has this like amazing superpower hotness and also she's just so charming and nice 0.94

00:19:52.320 like just warm and friendly her one i don't even want to call it a vice her one like 1.00

00:20:00.060 shortcoming is she just isn't very politically informed and isn't very well read like she's not

00:20:06.620 the brightest bulb in the box but she's beautiful she's charming and that is enough to get you ahead

00:20:11.820 in the old regime in France.

00:20:14.540 And obviously we are headed towards revolution.

00:20:17.140 So we will see if that takes her much farther in life.

00:20:19.940 But, you know, Louis XVI is king.

00:20:22.680 XV had been his grandfather.

00:20:24.500 And now it's 16 and he is gonna run things his way.

00:20:28.700 And I should also note while we're here

00:20:30.660 kind of introducing Louis and Marie Antoinette,

00:20:33.440 they had an interesting relationship in their own right.

00:20:37.240 He never took a mistress.

00:20:38.840 And I'm sure you'll talk more about that

00:20:40.800 in the Marie Antoinette episode. But Louis puts all of his hopes and dreams on Marie Antoinette.

00:20:49.060 She is both wife and mistress. And what historians mean when they say that is she is influencing

00:20:55.580 his private life. She is providing him children eventually. And she is a political advisor,

00:21:02.040 which does not turn out well for her. There's a reason that there's this position of official

00:21:06.920 mistress in France. And a lot of that is to take some of the scrutiny off of the queen 0.99

00:21:11.160 so that your political foreign alliances can be preserved and the king can have like some

00:21:17.920 personal pleasure in who he's spending his time with. So Marie Antoinette kind of shoots herself 1.00

00:21:22.540 in the foot by sending Du Barry away because there is nobody to deflect from the court gossip 0.87

00:21:30.120 anymore. She is the only woman at court that is going to absorb all the courtiers and the publics 1.00

00:21:36.900 dissatisfaction. That's so interesting. And that I don't know what the connection is exactly,

00:21:42.740 but it reminds me a bit of Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle. It reminds me more of Prince,

00:21:48.940 Prince Harry actually, because it's like when he was there, they, he and Meghan could be the

00:21:53.900 scapegoat for everything. And then when he left, then Will and Kate are just like, wait a minute,

00:21:58.760 wait a minute. Yeah. Hang on. Who's going to distract from us anymore? Yeah. Yeah. You got

00:22:03.200 to keep a scapegoater out. It's a real, like, I never thought the leopard would eat my face

00:22:07.880 kind of moment. And Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI have to face this because Louis, not just

00:22:14.380 DuBerry herself, he exiles anybody with the name DuBerry from court, which I think is so funny

00:22:21.160 because the marriage between Jean and DuBerry is such a sham. They never lived together.

00:22:27.480 But anybody with that name is going to benefit from their distant connection to her. So

00:22:32.580 some courtiers that are named du Barry start changing their name so that they can stay at

00:22:37.600 Versailles and some of them do get sent away. Marie Antoinette wrote, I think in a letter,

00:22:43.420 she wrote, the king has limited himself to sending the creature, meaning Jean, to a convent and

00:22:48.900 chasing from the court everything tarred with the name of scandal. And even her mother, Maria

00:22:54.580 Teresa, is like, you're going a little too hard here. Maria Teresa writes to Marie Antoinette and

00:23:01.280 says like you guys you and louie need to stop gloating over this woman like i don't know what

00:23:08.140 your obsession is with her but she said you need to stop gloating over the downfall of a quote

00:23:13.300 unfortunate creature who has lost everything and was more in need of pity than everyone else so 1.00

00:23:20.280 you know she she was labeled dewberry was labeled as this like symbol of debauchery and immorality

00:23:27.380 But I think even Maria Theresa recognizes like, I don't think you guys should be laughing here. Like, without her, things are going to be harder for you.

00:23:38.100 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's such a good, like, listeners remember this for later on in terms of what ends up happening to Maria Antoinette. But yeah, if you get rid of the scapegoat, then you become the scapegoat.

00:23:51.380 Yeah, because Du Barry, she was not popular with the French public, not only for her lavish lifestyle and all her jewels, but because she represents, on a deeper level, she represents the old regime because kings took mistresses. That's what they did. But it was always this system that was impenetrable to outsiders. 0.97

00:24:12.720 So Du Barry, as much as she had like a very impoverished upbringing, she is a royalist at heart and she's a monarchist and she represents the old way of doing things.

00:24:24.900 The new public in France, spoiler alert, revolution, they are now demanding transparency. They are demanding accountability from the monarchy. And Du Barry was part of that system that did not have either of those things.

00:24:39.300 So it's an interesting, interesting, what's the word I want? I don't know, turn of events, an interesting turn of events where Dubarry represents these things, but also Marie Antoinette still does as well, because she is so staunch in her support of monarchy.

00:24:56.660 but yeah now marie antoinette is the one representing both the official side of things

00:25:03.720 and the immoral uh messaging and the let them eat cake side of things and we'll return to her 0.94

00:25:11.160 and a later episode listeners yes we'll leave her there but dubarry so she leaves the convent

00:25:17.380 the nuns all love her and she goes to this house or town lou visian yeah which is anyway like it's

00:25:26.360 a huge fancy manor and she was having a very nice time she was like she got to go and like

00:25:36.020 hang out in her garden um entertaining like some of her friends from versailles would come

00:25:41.680 and hang out to her with her it says here now that she was no longer an object of jealousy

00:25:46.060 and political machinations these people felt free to enjoy the glow of her charm and hospitality

00:25:51.680 yeah she is coming off of the high of being a royal mistress but she does still have those 1.00

00:25:58.480 natural charms she also amassed some considerable wealth as she was official mistress so she starts 1.00

00:26:05.160 to give to charity at the same time as she is building up the gardens at this house she's

00:26:10.240 ordering statues she's patronizing the arts still so yeah it sounds like it's just like a very

00:26:15.700 enchanting i'm thinking of like pre curse beauty and the beast castle where everything is just

00:26:22.220 beautiful and lovely and it is this ancient regime old world like type of beauty um but 0.96

00:26:29.700 yeah she would have these parties and she would entertain nobles not just from france but like 0.98

00:26:35.020 across europe people would come to meet her because they wanted to just look at her they 0.91

00:26:40.560 wanted to see like i've heard that you're i've heard so much about who lived well and you bewitched

00:26:45.940 this 60 year old king so like we just want to be in the same room as you even people who had been

00:26:51.200 at versailles under louis the 15th and who had been to barry's enemy would come visit and on one

00:26:57.780 occasion a former versailles courtier came to visit and said to her there was no hatred but we 0.68

00:27:04.300 all wanted to have your place like so like sorry for being such a jealous bitch like we really just 1.00

00:27:09.860 you were too hot and we wanted to be in your shoes which is so interesting that after she 0.99

00:27:17.800 left Versailles people were just like well forget her she's gone they're all like I want to go hang

00:27:21.720 out with her I secretly always wanted to hang out with her and now I can't yeah seriously such is

00:27:27.600 her power yeah really and she like I said she is a royalist she still represents this connection

00:27:33.160 to monarchy, even though she and Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette are persona non grata. They do

00:27:40.260 not talk. They have a very strained relationship. There's no connection there. Dubarry still

00:27:45.660 represents the monarchy. And I think you can see that really clearly because she's painted

00:27:50.600 three times in the 1780s by Elizabeth Vigée Lebrun, who is the famous female court painter

00:27:58.840 that Marie Antoinette also loves.

00:28:01.080 She painted Marie Antoinette several times,

00:28:03.400 but she's also going to Louvassien to paint Du Barry.

00:28:08.580 And I think that's because Vigée Le Brun,

00:28:10.740 also a royalist, also a monarchist.

00:28:13.740 It just goes to show you that there are different ways

00:28:16.040 that you can be like a supporter of monarchy

00:28:19.020 at this time, pre-revolution.

00:28:21.740 Yeah, and I'm probably gonna do an episode

00:28:24.060 about Elizabeth Vigée Le Brun at some point.

00:28:26.240 um she is the she painted the marie antonette portrait that is that the deborah wong reinterpreted

00:28:32.440 to be the image for this podcast for this series but yeah it's it's interesting it's like you can

00:28:39.300 support the monarchy while you still like personally hate the person current monarch 0.99

00:28:43.800 yeah absolutely yeah it's like i support the monarchy right but i hate that bitch like yeah 0.94

00:28:50.580 Well, and even Dubarry, even in some of these paintings, in these portraits, she is very visually similar to Marie Antoinette. 0.97

00:28:58.760 She's got the, at this time, Marie Antoinette's doing her simple, she's in her simple phase.

00:29:03.660 She's wearing like the chemise, dresses, lots of flowers, straw hats.

00:29:08.920 There's a painting of Dubarry where at first glance, I would completely forgive you if you thought it was Marie Antoinette.

00:29:14.080 So she is also, I think, recognizing that the current queen is the tastemaker, is influencing style, and she's a trendy woman. She's gonna portray herself that way. And Vigée Lebrun paints her so charmingly in these portraits. She conveys what one historian calls Du Barry's basic goodness, which no doubt helped to seal her reinstatement in society.

00:29:41.260 I want to say the word basic is a word that complimentary. I feel like Jean Dubarry was a basic person. She was just like, I like pretty things. And I think because she was so beautiful, like she, she took advantage of the opportunity she was given. Like it's always said, like that she, she, she sort of spoke in like almost like a baby talk lisp when she was talking to men. Like she knew, she knew what she was doing, but also she never had to stop.

00:30:11.260 struggle, really, because she kept being chosen because she was so hot. So she never had to

00:30:18.880 really develop beyond a basic personality of just like, life is nice and people treat me nicely and

00:30:24.740 everything's great. It's like, well, that's because you're hot.

00:30:28.320 Oh, definitely. And she knows where to go to get ahead. She, after King Louis XV dies, 0.97

00:30:34.580 she does start a new relationship. She takes a new lover. This is the Duke de Brzezac,

00:30:38.760 who was a military commander prominent at Versailles. So he's a monarchist as well,

00:30:45.400 even under Louis XVI. So she still allies herself, even as revolution is raging

00:30:50.800 in the background. It's not quite penetrating DuBerry's world just yet. And she is still kind

00:30:57.580 of just going with what she knows. She's hosting parties. She's trying on jewelry. She's romancing, 0.99

00:31:04.320 dashing military men from court. And she's having a great time for now.

00:31:08.760 Everything's going so well.

00:31:11.880 Trademark Moulin Rouge.

00:31:13.580 But then, anyway, so the revolution, you know, begins.

00:31:19.580 It pops off.

00:31:20.060 So we're in 1789.

00:31:23.560 The first time that the revolution penetrates her life.

00:31:27.340 Literally.

00:31:27.780 Some soldiers who had escaped.

00:31:31.980 So we're going to talk about this in later episodes.

00:31:34.140 Listeners, we're not going to get into the French Revolution.

00:31:35.900 There's enough to talk about today.

00:31:37.280 Just Google it if you don't know anything.

00:31:38.480 two soldiers had escaped the mob at Versailles during the women's march. And she was like,

00:31:44.820 come stay with me at my house. That's cool. Um, and then she just kind of like let various people,

00:31:51.160 she said like, Oh, the Royals can stay here too. Like I have this great house. Like anyone can

00:31:56.280 come here. Um, was kind of such a good hostess. Yeah. That was her vibe. And then she, okay. 0.74

00:32:03.320 the i don't and the the thing i'm looking at it doesn't say in various details but basically

00:32:10.300 yeah um some of her jewels were stolen and this turns into a whole tragic thing well before before

00:32:20.240 we get to that i will also say like i'm pretty sure one of the first like casualties of the

00:32:25.500 revolution is her new lover the timing i'm a little hazy on the timing but eventually 0.55

00:32:30.020 the duke de brisac um gets caught up in a mob and he is beheaded and his head is first put on a pike

00:32:38.120 and then i think thrown into one of dubarry's residences so again wait no wait um some of the

00:32:47.660 mob then marched to louisienne broken and rolled his severed head across the floor to her yeah so

00:32:54.080 like the revolution is encroaching on her like comfortable little world okay yes time yes um

00:33:00.340 she knows it's happening but she's still again operating the way she knows how she um also is

00:33:09.280 still entertaining she's still throwing parties she's mingling with the aristocracy she lets 0.99

00:33:14.800 people stay at her house which maybe contributes to the fact that uh 1.5 million livres of her jewels

00:33:21.380 are stolen um there's also some evidence that she is also quietly selling off some of her jewelry

00:33:28.900 maybe building up like a little cash of savings in case she needs to flee but that's like foresight

00:33:35.800 i don't even think she was like i don't think she was that thoughtful about it i think she just

00:33:41.640 needed cash no honestly before one of the things that happened is that um so her jewelry was stolen

00:33:48.400 and then she's like oh my god my jewels have been stolen and so then she she had hand hand bills

00:33:54.520 distributed describing the missing gems in detail in the mid in january 1791 she's just like hey 0.96

00:34:03.760 stupid you poor people of the village these are the specific jewels i have like yeah it's me 0.94

00:34:11.420 madame du berry i am so beautiful have you seen my jewels yeah remember me like everyone kind of 0.99

00:34:18.220 hated me for a long time because i represent the ancient regime that you're now in a revolution 0.98

00:34:22.860 against have you seen my jewels um and then this turns into a whole the stupidest thing she does 0.72

00:34:30.140 though they they eventually turn up in england she gets word that her jewels have turned up 0.67

00:34:35.220 through some i guess they were pond or something she sails to london which let me be clear a lot

00:34:43.400 of aristocrats were trying to do because of the revolution and they wanted to get away and get

00:34:48.600 to safety she gets permission from the revolutionary government to sail to london and then she sails 0.98

00:34:54.420 back to france at least i think three times she goes back and forth back and forth from london to

00:35:01.560 france in the middle of a revolution and it's all just to sort of like keep following up follow-up

00:35:08.760 meetings about like the prosecution of the jewel thieves. So this is where she gets caught up with,

00:35:13.860 I just want to shout out Irish adventurer, Nathaniel Parker fourth, who just seems like

00:35:19.180 a real CAD type person. And he was widely known to be an English agent. So I think he was being

00:35:26.840 like, Oh yeah, can you come back and forth a few more times? I think he was getting smuggling some

00:35:32.200 stuff back and forth with her, without her knowledge was part of what was going on with

00:35:35.840 this? Yeah. She later gets accused of like orchestrating this whole thing and arranging

00:35:40.560 that the jewels would be stolen. But I think that's so unlikely. Again, given that she sails

00:35:46.440 back to France, she has this chance of escaping with this money that comes out of this jewelry

00:35:53.340 theft. And she just never takes that out. So I don't think she had a lot of forethought going

00:35:58.480 on in that pretty head of hers. She does return to France in the middle of the revolution.

00:36:05.840 I want to say when she's in London, a recurring theme in this series, much to my annoyance, are the jump scares of George IV, a.k.a. Printy, showing up in every story.

00:36:17.440 So she goes to London, and this is when he's, I don't, he's not the regent yet, but basically she just goes there.

00:36:24.080 She hangs out with his mistress, Maria Fitzherbert.

00:36:27.300 She buys souvenirs while she's there, including a portrait of Printy.

00:36:31.200 um and she bring brings that back to france where i'm just like i support women's rights and women's 0.99

00:36:37.760 wrongs but she's pushing it like that's your souvenir is a portrait goddamn pretty it's like 0.72

00:36:44.400 going to buckingham palace and buying a portrait of camilla yeah it's just like this is this this 0.84

00:36:50.140 is what you this is what you went with yeah but yeah no so she's going back and forth and it's

00:36:54.360 like just stay there um but she's like hosting parties there she's like shopping um and all the

00:37:02.700 while like the whole thing about like the trial of the people who stole the jewels it's like well

00:37:06.040 they're english people so can they be tried in england for stealing french things like it's all

00:37:10.680 just kind of like bureaucracy is and she's just going back and forth and it's just like i love i

00:37:15.460 would love to see like a hard cut from like the mobs in france the sea of blood from the reign

00:37:20.740 of terror. And then just Madame du Berry shopping, a montage of her shopping, getting her hair done,

00:37:27.000 looking into the theft of her jewels in France, like having a grand time.

00:37:31.060 It just feels like the way that people talk about Marie Antoinette now is what Madame du

00:37:36.560 Berry actually was like. Yeah, a little bit. Like she was the one who was just kind of like,

00:37:41.900 nothing to do with me. Yeah. So yeah, it must've been a huge surprise to her when she gets back

00:37:49.720 to France. And a couple of years later, like a year or two later, she's arrested on charges of

00:37:55.700 treason and espionage because of, I think, sailing to London so often. And because she was

00:38:00.880 consorting with emigres, these aristocrats that she would host at her house, which 1.00

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00:41:01.000 Okay, so there's this guy. I don't know how much he comes up on what you've read, but his name is George Grieve. And he is just her number one hater. I don't know where he came from or what his deal is, but he just had it out for her.

00:41:15.440 Well, because she stands for everything wrong with the monarchy. And if we want to burn the system to the ground, like people like Dewberry are number one on the list, it seems like.

00:41:27.120 so george grieve he's an english radical um he had been in the american colonies during that

00:41:33.840 revolution and then came here he's just like a revolution groupie and he um started a revolutionary

00:41:40.520 club and he was obsessively hate it was like the we hate madame du barry club it's like when you

00:41:47.640 have a hater online who is just obsessed with you and like yeah you know they're obsessed with you 0.93

00:41:52.820 but they're just saying all this nasty shit and they just want your attention is really what it's 0.96

00:41:56.820 about so he got various informants um including louis benoit zamor who was her page who was a 0.98

00:42:05.480 black man from um he was bengali and there are some portraits actually i mentioned earlier

00:42:12.320 the portrait of her being delivered her hot chocolate in the morning having her toilet

00:42:16.400 first eye zamor is the one who is presenting the hot chocolate so he's often um painted with her

00:42:23.460 I think it's a contrast of like, she's so blonde and fair and he is like a darker complexion.

00:42:28.940 And she did not treat him well because she treated him as a pet effectively.

00:42:38.360 So he was all too happy to just like let George Grieve in, let George Grieve steal some stuff,

00:42:44.720 like tell him all the stuff that she'd been doing.

00:42:49.920 Yeah. And so George Grieve is just like her number one hater.

00:42:52.580 he's just like arrest this bitch I hate her like there's one part of the story where he is it was 0.98

00:42:57.800 in the Joan Heslop biography where he's like she's not in the house and he's in the house 1.00

00:43:01.420 and they're describing him just sitting in the room surrounded by portraits of her

00:43:05.160 like I hate her like just see I don't know yeah get a hobby George Grieve this is his hobby

00:43:13.880 eventually it's fair I know but kind of like with Marie Antoinette it's like once you get

00:43:18.880 wrote of her what do you have now like what's left for you george grieve right right like yeah

00:43:23.280 start yourself in the foot i don't know painting like play golf i don't know flower arranging

00:43:28.640 something anyway so he i mean on this podcast you know you're a hater when you publish a pamphlet

00:43:35.500 we have a pamphlet moment so he published this pamphlet describing her quote crimes and he says

00:43:41.300 who am i george grieve well i'm a friend of benjamin franklin so you should listen to me

00:43:46.320 i am a disorganizer of despotism in the two hemispheres for the last 20 years i'm george

00:43:52.940 grieve and he just kept going to like i don't know about the french revolution but whoever was

00:43:57.960 in charge there were various committees just these committees banding together to call the shots

00:44:04.740 yeah other dudes just goes to the various committees and just like i hate madame du barry 1.00

00:44:09.580 can we arrest her can we arrest madame du barry they're like absolutely yeah exactly so then she 1.00

00:44:15.460 was arrested. And then there is some evidence that when he went to capture her and, or when

00:44:24.380 they were in the carriage riding to Paris, he may have raped her as well. Yeah. Or at least 0.84

00:44:29.820 attempted to assault her, which yeah. Number one hater, but also obsessed. Yeah. Yeah. George

00:44:36.540 Grieve. Oh, this is where it's okay. So George Grieve. So he sent her off to be in prison and

00:44:43.540 then he's just like in Louvesien and then he was just like sitting in this room surrounded by

00:44:47.500 paintings of her and he was working in documents with a 15 count indictment like I just picture

00:44:52.600 him just like I don't know if coffee was a thing but just like staying up for like 72 hours just

00:44:57.640 being like and she did this and she did this with his like quill pen or whatever just in this room

00:45:02.180 surrounded by pictures of her um and it was everything you said it's just like were you

00:45:08.660 secretly funding the emigres were you smuggling things back and forth to england were you spying 0.99

00:45:15.220 for the yeah exactly or are you just kind of like a silly person who doesn't get it 0.98

00:45:21.660 and i would argue she was a silly person who just didn't get it yeah and that made her an easy 0.91

00:45:26.900 target you know the revolution so much of it was about looking busy and looking like they were 0.98

00:45:32.720 affecting change and cleaning house and draining the swamp whatever you want to say um

00:45:38.160 so many innocent people and even looking guilty was enough to condemn you so she was put on trial

00:45:46.220 but it was a bit of a sham trial when she was found guilty the jury returned in an hour

00:45:52.040 after deliberating at 11 p.m and found her guilty on all counts she was sentenced very quickly she

00:45:58.980 was supposed to die by guillotine the next morning and then this is where so she doesn't really get

00:46:05.340 it no everything in her life to this point like always worked out for her pretty privileged yeah

00:46:10.740 pretty privileged even though like she was born poor and stuff like things always worked out so

00:46:14.960 she just had this faith in like humanity yeah and so she's like okay well when she knew that

00:46:19.660 the revolution was coming for her she like buried a bunch of her jewels and things in various spots 0.80

00:46:24.020 on her property and she's like okay well if I tell them exactly what I hid and where then maybe

00:46:30.740 they will free me yeah she tries to bargain with it sounds like not even the committee or the jury

00:46:38.340 or the trial or whatever it's the executioners at this point she promises to tell them

00:46:43.540 where everything's buried um where all of her valuables are hidden in exchange for

00:46:49.420 oh headburn yeah she's got feelings exactly she's like oh no this don't do it yeah really

00:46:58.420 because she and the executioners agree they're like okay that sounds great so they interrogate

00:47:04.040 her for three hours they take down her statements about jewels being buried in the garden silverware

00:47:10.880 that she threw into the pond um she hid paintings in the mill three hours they let her spill all of

00:47:19.060 these secrets and then at the end it literally is like they're like okay thank you and they tie her 0.99

00:47:24.320 hands and send a guy in to cut her hair and that's the moment she knows she fucked up of course these 0.98

00:47:30.420 men who have already sentenced her to die are not gonna just i mean also yes she was a little bit of 1.00

00:47:35.700 a dumb bitch in this moment because you should have let them let you go first and then maybe 0.97

00:47:40.900 shown them where your stuff was but uh they decide to execute her anyway i just want to mention like 1.00

00:47:49.660 you know we're getting towards the end of her story and as you know as a listener to this

00:47:53.820 podcast we're going to be giving her some scores later on but i just feel like her scheminess is

00:47:58.300 going to be a low number yeah yeah she's just vibes she's just if vibes is a category she's

00:48:06.740 vibes yeah anyways that was her attempt to try and talk herself out of being executed um but also i

00:48:14.380 think one of the reasons like you were saying like they were going after kind of anybody but

00:48:17.580 like she's such a symbol of the old regime and also just of like not consumerism because that

00:48:23.760 wouldn't that wasn't but just sort of like the luxury hedonism and the luxury and spending money 1.00

00:48:28.700 when people are starving like she like of course they went after her yes would they have if she 1.00

00:48:34.460 hadn't put out the pamphlets being like i madame du barry own these jewels help me find my jewels

00:48:40.140 there were ways to get around being persecuted even if you were aristocratic even if you had

00:48:45.960 been at the court of Versailles like if you played your cards right you could make it out but she

00:48:49.940 just had no cards left to play she didn't even know that she was playing a game it sounds like

00:48:54.540 until it was too late and she was already sentenced to death well that's the thing every

00:48:59.660 time she went to England which is like three or four times three or four times and then she went

00:49:02.940 back then she went back again like she's just like that was a nice visit do do do right yeah

00:49:09.320 so I don't I'm not victim blaming a victim of the French Revolution but I will say she just

00:49:15.540 didn't get it. There were no hints. She didn't get it. There were no hints, Madame de Berry.

00:49:19.540 You had no indication this was happening. By this point, Marie Antoinette,

00:49:23.420 her lover's head was thrown at her. It's like, you know they're killing people.

00:49:29.480 They've already killed Louis and Marie Antoinette at this point. This is 1793 in December.

00:49:35.400 So they've already been executed at this point, haven't they? I'm not good with dates.

00:49:40.440 No, absolutely. Yeah, no, because I'll tell you in a second why. No.

00:49:44.760 but um she is executed basically january so and this is like you know sometimes in the reading

00:49:53.100 you do as well i'm sure you know when you hear about amblin or whoever and the way that people

00:49:56.560 compose themselves when they're facing execution she is not one of the dignified ones which fair

00:50:03.500 enough this is a terrifying thing that's happening there's people they're watching so she struggled

00:50:07.440 she cries um she had to be wrestled up the steps yeah i like to see this fight from her i like that

00:50:14.500 she at this point understand what's happening and she's trying i think one more time to put that

00:50:19.280 pretty privilege to use she's weeping it's very tragic she's begging the executioners you know

00:50:25.660 she's saying please don't hurt me oh my god you're gonna hurt me please don't hurt me um as they're

00:50:30.280 dragging her up the steps and when she's like physically in front of the guillotine which

00:50:35.780 guillotine ah it's supposed to be humane and i guess it is when you compare it to an axe man

00:50:43.700 taking three or four tries to get your head off of your shoulders.

00:50:47.500 It's more efficient.

00:50:48.880 Yes, definitely. 1.00

00:50:50.860 But she's in front of the guillotine.

00:50:52.640 They make her kneel down and she is begging just, just a moment, like just one more minute.

00:50:57.380 Give me one more minute, like, please.

00:50:59.280 And it's just, yeah, not very dignified at all.

00:51:03.500 No.

00:51:04.060 And I mean, nor should it be, but it's just notable to me.

00:51:07.920 Like so many people, it's like Jane Grey or whoever it's like,

00:51:10.540 and she read her prepared statement.

00:51:12.380 Yeah.

00:51:12.540 Yeah. Well, and it's so interesting too, because we're talking about a mistress,

00:51:17.520 not somebody born and bred in royalty. Composure and dignity is such a currency,

00:51:25.340 especially at the court of Versailles. And especially when it comes to an official mistress.

00:51:29.840 And DuBerry has had some problems in the past with keeping her composure. Let's throw it back 0.99

00:51:35.340 when Louis XV was still alive. There was an episode where there was talk of him taking

00:51:40.220 another royal bride. And Dewberry apparently threw a fit in front of everybody. She went

00:51:46.340 into this jealous rage and Louis kind of sent her to her room and said, I'm not going to see you

00:51:51.400 until you can compose yourself. And it took her a couple of days. So it seems like composure has

00:51:56.000 never been one of her skills. And I don't know if that's because of the pretty privilege, because

00:52:01.300 of the fact that she wasn't born to that. She always was kind of relying on her ability to be

00:52:07.180 this warm emotional person and in her last moment that's kind of what comes out yeah well i think

00:52:13.980 she's just somebody who got what she wanted so much of the time it's like incomprehensible to her

00:52:20.480 that something's not going her way yeah because what do you what do you mean rarely what do you

00:52:25.080 mean yeah so it's sad yeah exactly uh they do not grant her request for one more moment she is 0.73

00:52:33.020 beheaded. And her body is dumped, apparently in the same unmarked grave as Marie Antoinette.

00:52:39.800 Yeah, Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI. And that's how I knew when you were asking that they were

00:52:44.040 already dead. Yeah. And then the Rouet was also killed as well in the same time period. And so

00:52:54.680 I just have this quote here. So I was excited. The Chauderlos de Laclos, the author of Les

00:53:02.600 Liaisons Dangereuses, my favorite movie slash play slash scandalous novel. He wrote her only

00:53:09.540 fault was her birth and in those who had debauched and debased her. I think that is not her only

00:53:15.500 fault, but that was kind of him to say. I think he's saying the only action she took was being

00:53:25.360 born in a in a not so great situation that's the only thing she ever did okay i think we're

00:53:33.180 thinking of her flaw as like inaction of being unaware of your surroundings and i think he's

00:53:38.660 maybe saying like the only flaw that you can like actually say she did in her life was her birth

00:53:44.900 yeah unfortunately which was not prestigious right um so i like i'll just quote this from 0.94

00:53:52.060 this article so by any account she was impulsive frivolous and unheeding fatally so yet she was 0.94

00:53:57.720 also kind genuine and generous um she never used her power as she could have done to harm others

00:54:04.240 to imprison or to kill yeah just a soft person yeah yeah exactly so child of the people though

00:54:13.620 she was like a poor person she never understood the depths of the hatred they'd come to bear

00:54:18.440 towards her, her aristocratic friends, and the glittering world of unearned privilege they

00:54:23.040 inhabited. Which is, yeah, she just never... Yeah, it seems like she wasn't tapped into

00:54:29.420 the rhetoric going on at this time. She wasn't a patroness of the Enlightenment like Madame

00:54:34.660 de Pompadour had been. If politicians came to her for access to the king, it was literally just

00:54:40.060 because of how physically close she was to him. And if you got into her circle, you would get

00:54:44.680 close to the king they weren't appealing to her on an intellectual level right was purely access

00:54:51.200 so I mean it makes sense she yeah is very unaware it seems of what's going on around her yeah I mean

00:54:58.440 it gets extreme like it turns into like she's intentionally not choosing to not learn what's

00:55:05.320 going on like at the point they throw her lover's severed head at her right she's just like I'm just

00:55:10.440 gonna take a trip to england and then come back like she there's a certain point at which you

00:55:17.460 would think that somebody would pick up on what's going on but i think she chose not she chose to

00:55:23.140 believe that it wasn't that big a deal and to just kind of avoid thinking about it yeah well and like

00:55:28.900 you said earlier that's that's what marie antoinette gets accused of the let them eat cake 0.87

00:55:33.940 line which i'm sure you will talk about how she never fucking said it but marie antoinette 1.00

00:55:39.220 she wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed but she was politically engaged she did try to influence 1.00

00:55:44.260 policy um at least she tried the the really clueless ditzy blonde counting her jewels eating 1.00

00:55:51.440 cake that was du Barry yeah yeah like everything that people say that people assume about Marie

00:55:58.940 Antoinette it's like they've conflated with actually what du Barry was like and it wasn't

00:56:03.320 nothing against you Barry I think right no exactly she wasn't like a mean girl at all she was just

00:56:09.600 kind of like she grew up poor she saw yeah she was very insulated she saw like this Francesca

00:56:16.080 the woman who is the courtesan and she's like oh I want that I want nice things and then she got

00:56:21.380 them like she was basic she was just simple she's like this is what I want and now I have it the

00:56:25.560 end like I'm not ambitious beyond that and now I have it so great yeah yeah I don't I don't have

00:56:32.760 anything bad to say about her but we were talking and listeners you can if you're on the patreon you

00:56:39.360 can listen to our after show i did with amanda but it's like we're not here to be like she was

00:56:43.720 great justice for madame du barry but we're also not here to be like she was awful we're just being

00:56:48.140 like here's who she was and i think she was like ineffective but she didn't need to be effective

00:56:54.600 she was just kind of like that wasn't the point for her no like she succeeded in doing the things

00:57:00.200 that she wanted to and yeah she just made the king happy and that's what he wanted he wanted

00:57:09.320 to be happy and she did that for him and i don't know i don't know she's just such a you know what 0.97

00:57:14.500 let's get into it let's get into the scoring because i'm interested where she's gonna land

00:57:19.240 so the first category is the scandalousness how scandalous was she seen by other people and i

00:57:26.720 think she was seen even in a very libertine court of Versailles like mistresses and stuff the fact

00:57:33.020 that she was lower born I think scandalized people the like working in the hat shop there

00:57:41.400 were a lot of rumors attached to her which that is what scandalized people and there were a lot 1.00

00:57:48.080 of pamphlets distributed about her there were a lot of body poems written about her but and that 0.99

00:57:52.880 is what the court kind of seized on as far as the scandal associated with her but honestly yeah her

00:57:59.120 her existence alone was scandalous at Versailles yeah well because I I like to think about how can

00:58:06.480 we delineate like what did she do that was scandalous versus did people just wrongly think

00:58:11.680 she was scandalous but I think right it's hard to say because like there was things like this

00:58:16.940 hat shop. Um, and then she got caught up with Rue and he was a pimp for other people. And like

00:58:22.400 wealthy men were like, it's not scandalous that that was happening like to society at large,

00:58:28.460 but they were so scandalized by her elevation, I guess.

00:58:32.780 But then later in her life, you have those same people going to Louvassien or whatever

00:58:37.420 and saying, we're sorry. Like it wasn't that big a deal. Like we were just jealous.

00:58:42.360 like you yeah yeah but then if you ask like the paris mob right the guillotine she was her existence 0.93

00:58:49.960 because she's pretty scandalous yeah it's it's just she's not i don't want to take away like 1.00

00:58:56.860 the choices she made in her life which she did make some but she didn't do a lot of things you

00:59:05.060 know she was not a person of action it seems like no i mean like she was often chosen or singled out

00:59:11.580 because she was beautiful and because she had a nice personality, but those weren't choices she

00:59:15.660 made. That's just like how she was born. And she took advantage. Yeah. If she lived up to the hype

00:59:21.080 around her, it was because she was so beautiful and she was able to leverage that and kind of

00:59:25.620 wedge herself in where she needed to be. It wasn't because she was actually doing scandalous things.

00:59:33.660 Yeah. I mean, I'm just thinking like, you know, she did that, the backwards curtsies. It's like, 1.00

00:59:37.760 you know, she worked for things she did. Like she pulled that off. Like that would have been

00:59:41.520 very challenging to do, but I don't see her as intentionally a scandalous person. 0.99

00:59:49.360 Yeah. Yeah. So she gets points. So I don't know where that lands on a zero to 10. Like, 0.95

00:59:55.000 where would you put that? I'm thinking like a three because she did, she was sort of unapologetic 1.00

01:00:01.700 in coming into court, occupying this role, fulfilling all of the King's wishes, despite

01:00:08.160 how that looked to people. And she did kind of go against the tide in terms of bathing. That

01:00:14.200 was a little scandalous. Um, how much she loved a rose scented bath and her hot chocolate every

01:00:19.280 day at 9am on the dot. So a low, low, low scandalous score. I would say three.

01:00:25.720 Yeah, I agree with that. I think that like there's something there, but like she wasn't,

01:00:30.020 she's not running around for the level right right so her scheminess yes poor girl man it

01:00:40.140 seems like everyone was scheming on her behalf more than anything i know i'm just did she do

01:00:46.140 any schemes no honestly she the the court factions that rose up around her were kind of again using

01:00:54.420 her as a proxy in this fight it was never for her I don't want to say it wasn't for her personal

01:01:01.060 gain but like she didn't cause drama just to cause drama if that makes sense yeah and then 0.99

01:01:09.840 like the Rue like saw her and like taught her how to be become the royal mistress and then she did

01:01:16.400 but that was his scheme and she just kind of like went along with it there was like that wasn't

01:01:21.260 there was sort of a fundamental scheminess to her where she knew the life she wanted and she knew

01:01:26.920 that she had what it took. She would do what it took to do it. Yeah. Right. Right. But it doesn't

01:01:33.860 seem like there was a. No, there wasn't a plan. She never was like, here, here's how I'm going

01:01:39.640 to get the things I want. But I do think. At all costs. I think that she, another person might

01:01:46.400 have been like as pretty as she was, but that was like, okay, well, I'm poor. I guess I'll just go

01:01:50.220 be a chambermaid the end like she did know that she was hot and you like with like the talking 1.00

01:01:56.460 she aspired she aspired and i think she used flirtation to get things and that is inherently

01:02:05.160 low-key schemey she wasn't just like oh i'm beautiful and these things are happening to me

01:02:09.800 it's like she was an active participant in the schemes other people put her in she did charm

01:02:15.640 some nuns so there has to be some ability to read a room to you know know who you're talking to

01:02:22.500 well and also i think even like even being like trained by the roué it's like here's how you can

01:02:28.640 win the king it's like but she had to do that like it's not just like show up and be hot it's like 0.93

01:02:33.780 there had to be an emotional intelligence she was moldable yeah she was moldable but moldable but 1.00

01:02:39.560 she was still a participant i think i'm gonna give her in terms of scheminess like i don't

01:02:45.500 want to give her no credit for what she was able to achieve but it's just like she wasn't the one

01:02:51.420 scheming she wasn't writing and her schemes weren't very good if when she schemed to get 1.00

01:02:56.820 her jewels back she issued a detailed description and distributed it across revolutionary when she

01:03:01.560 started scheming they were it wasn't games it's true i feel like for her scheminess i think it

01:03:08.380 might be like a three again as well three or four i'll give her a four because i do want to give

01:03:15.400 for some credit for, she wasn't just like, she wasn't entirely just a mindless prop for other 1.00

01:03:21.720 people. Like once she was put in those positions, she was able to stay in those positions, which 0.99

01:03:26.620 means that she had some, there was some self-preservation. Yeah. Yeah. Four out of 10

01:03:35.220 self-preservation. So significance, and you can interpret that. However, I think that her name

01:03:42.420 is famous. I think that she's remembered. Like even people like me, I didn't exactly know what

01:03:48.080 the deal was, but like, I've heard of Madame du Barry. There's like, she appears in films and

01:03:53.480 things like she's a significant part of this significant story of like the French revolution

01:03:57.760 and Marie Antoinette. I think it's, I don't know about her significance in life. Right. Well,

01:04:05.360 she, it's almost her significance is as a foil to Marie Antoinette. So in my head,

01:04:11.820 I have a score that you're probably going to give to Marie Antoinette for significance. And I'm

01:04:15.440 kind of going off of that for Dewberry because her rivalry with Marie Antoinette is probably 0.70

01:04:21.260 what a lot of people know her for. Her, yeah, symbolism as a catalyst of the revolution,

01:04:28.360 I think more than anything, is kind of where her significance lies.

01:04:35.280 The attitudes towards her more than anything. So that doesn't count for nothing.

01:04:41.820 No, I think that the fact that she was, that the revolutionaries went after her as sort of like a target once Marie Antoinette was killed.

01:04:49.100 Like, I think that she, she signified that ancient regime at the time, like she was significant.

01:04:57.040 And then she was, she was so significant that they tracked her down and killed her.

01:05:02.700 Right.

01:05:03.420 I think in turn, I don't, this is a tricky one because it's not like, well, she invented whatever, or like she wrote this famous book.

01:05:11.120 It's like, there's nothing of that, but just like her vibes and the way that they were

01:05:14.940 sort of today misunderstood as being Marie Antoinette's vibes is I'm going to say like

01:05:20.660 a six.

01:05:21.380 What do you think?

01:05:22.700 Yeah, I was going to say five.

01:05:24.460 I think six is fair because if you don't know Louis XV's wife's name, you probably know

01:05:30.500 Madame du Barry, right?

01:05:32.780 Yeah.

01:05:34.220 Well, honestly, when we were planning this and you were like, I can do one of the royal

01:05:38.840 mistresses.

01:05:39.260 And I was just like, okay, which one?

01:05:41.120 because like to me yeah not having read about her at all before yeah i'm like i know that there's

01:05:45.800 madame de pompadour i know there's madame du barry and you chose madame du barry and i'm like great

01:05:49.240 and then when i read the book i'm like oh i'm so glad this is who you chose because this is like

01:05:52.900 pompadour tells a different story i think yeah absolutely du barry's story does align more with

01:05:59.860 the end of the old regime and the beginning of the revolution so in that light yeah six i think

01:06:05.480 for significance i think so i'm interested when i inevitably get to madame de pompadour

01:06:10.600 where she's going to be for significance because she's it's just such a different story

01:06:14.440 yeah the final category and i will say the scores and their highness and lowness doesn't mean whether

01:06:21.940 it was a fun story or not right she's she's not she's not getting high scores um the final category 0.99

01:06:29.480 is the sexism bonus how much did patriarchy get in her way and i think not at all i think she used

01:06:34.240 to her advantage yeah I don't think during her life yes I think in the historical record that's

01:06:40.840 a different story so I think it depends on how you're approaching sexism fair yeah because well 0.79

01:06:48.620 in her life I don't know because it's more like classism when people are like oh she's a prostitute 0.86

01:06:53.860 or whatever yeah like it wasn't because women who are mistresses were kind of revered in general 1.00

01:07:00.120 like I think in her life she sexism did not get in her way I think she was able men she was able 1.00

01:07:08.480 to manipulate men around her to get what she wanted by using the fact that she was hot and 1.00

01:07:14.060 youthful and some women and some women fair yeah she's able to use just her gorgeousness to her 1.00

01:07:21.180 advantage in there may have been some internalized misogyny in Marie Antoinette's hatred of her but 0.96

01:07:27.580 like you said that could also be classism it could be a whole host of things honestly um 0.88

01:07:32.900 there was this sense that she i mean the courtiers at versailles did ostracize her because

01:07:41.400 of the association with prostitution where it is about low-class women using their feminine

01:07:47.540 wiles for personal gain so like there's a modicum of sexism in that yeah yeah um and then just the

01:07:55.800 way that she's remembered in the historical record is just oh she was this kind of like 0.65

01:07:59.100 sexy bimbo which she was but that's not bad we just watched practical magic me and my friends 0.98

01:08:06.180 last night and the midnight margarita scene have you seen practical magic yeah yeah they're all

01:08:13.060 yeah the witches are all yelling at each other at the kitchen table and sandra bullock goes 0.97

01:08:16.660 since when is being a slut a bad thing in this family and i feel like that's do berry like since 0.99

01:08:23.440 when is being a slut like a negative yeah and in the world that she was in it kind of i don't 0.96

01:08:30.720 like the the purpose of this score is kind of like people where it's like sexism got in the 0.97

01:08:35.500 way i held them back and i think like there was certainly sexism when the way that she

01:08:40.740 george grieve and like the way that he was obsessed with her and maybe assaulted her and

01:08:45.700 stuff but comma and men and yeah men were also attacked who were aristocrat i don't know sexism

01:08:55.660 i'm gonna say like two what do you think yes that's what i'm thinking too because it's it's

01:09:00.000 certainly there but i would say it unlike some other people have talked about the podcast this

01:09:04.020 did not she could have had a much worse time let's be honest yes yes i think like the men who

01:09:11.320 she encountered often saw a usefulness for her, and she leaned into that.

01:09:18.360 She was put on a pedestal time and time again, it seems like.

01:09:22.340 This is... Okay, I'm just adding her to the Fredigan Memorial Scandal, just to the scale.

01:09:27.840 She has the second lowest score of anyone ever.

01:09:31.020 Fantastic. 1.00

01:09:32.060 Just so you know, with a 15.

01:09:34.920 Wow.

01:09:35.900 The lowest score, of course, is Queen Charlotte, who got a one. 0.92

01:09:38.380 but in terms of people with similar vibes like peggy shippen who i think is very familiar to 0.97

01:09:46.540 you based on where you live um she got a 19 and i think she has a similar trajectory of just kind

01:09:52.980 of being caught up in world events and you were just here for a good time yeah honestly that feels

01:09:58.660 right yeah and then for this season this is pretty straightforward though so because it's the marie

01:10:03.440 antoinette season i have my segment nothing but net to see how many degrees of separation is this

01:10:07.960 person for Marie Antoinette and she is one degree. She knew her. They were frenemies. Like she was 0.98

01:10:13.920 right there. Like they talked to each other. Marie Antoinette talked to her once. That's the closest

01:10:20.080 anyone's come I think so far on the show. But Amanda, please tell everybody where they can

01:10:25.580 follow you online and what, how they can keep up with what you're doing. Yeah. So many things. I

01:10:31.880 primarily make my royal commentary content on tiktok and on instagram at mata underscore of

01:10:37.960 underscore fact matter effect um i also have my art history podcast which is art of history you

01:10:44.360 can listen to that anywhere you get your podcasts it's a really i enjoy it so much it's just we take

01:10:50.720 a work of art and we use it as our lens to the past and i tell you a story from history based

01:10:56.460 on that work of art. So I do have a couple of French Revolution adjacent episodes, a couple

01:11:02.240 Napoleonic France episodes where we never actually talk about Napoleon. So that's great.

01:11:07.340 As it should be. You also just did one with George Washington and Ona Judge was mentioned.

01:11:12.280 We published our Ona Judge episodes pretty much on the same day, completely coincidentally,

01:11:18.480 which was awesome. But yeah, I do love talking about women from history whenever I can,

01:11:25.060 even though it's an art podcast. So the vibes are very similar.

01:11:29.340 Absolutely. I mean, thank you so much for joining me. This has been, we've wanted to do this forever

01:11:33.980 and I'm so happy that we finally got to do this. And I feel like this is, I'm, I always love to

01:11:38.500 have people on to talk about like a story that is like right in their pocket, like a story that is

01:11:43.760 like one that you know really well, one that you're really obviously passionate about because

01:11:47.680 then I get to kind of learn at the same time. Yeah. Hopefully the first of many collabs between

01:11:51.800 us. I definitely want to have you on my show at some point. Oh, absolutely. Like, I think,

01:11:56.340 I think you have me earmarked for when my book comes out. We can do some Carolina Brunswick art

01:12:00.180 talk because there's some, there's some paintings with some stories about her that I think will be

01:12:07.040 perfect for your podcast. But yeah, absolutely. You're welcome back anytime, obviously. And thank

01:12:12.320 you so much for taking the time to record this extremely long episode. Thank you. I had a lot of

01:12:17.140 fun. So I forgot to say last week when we started this, this journey with this journey with Amanda

01:12:31.580 is that on, um, Patreon, she and I recorded a video. It's like an hour and a half long or

01:12:37.040 something, because I knew that she and I had so much that we wanted to talk about and we wanted

01:12:40.960 to really focus this podcast on just Madame DuBerry. So we just had this kiki. We were just

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01:13:18.300 slash Anne Foster Writer. And so we're in this, like we're in season seven, part two,

01:13:23.480 we're doing this France thing. And next week, we're going to be talking about somebody I'm

01:13:29.920 really excited to be talking about on this podcast. It's, you know what, like this is my

01:13:35.420 podcast and I can decide who I want to talk about. We talk about almost usually, almost entirely

01:13:40.480 cis women on the show we've talked about some non-binary people we've talked about i think

01:13:46.500 we've had trans men we've had trans women very rarely do we talk about cis men i think the only

01:13:52.720 other official episode we've done featuring a cis man was um christopher marlowe way back um i think

01:14:00.540 on allison epstein's first episode with us next week we're gonna be talking about another man

01:14:04.360 because this show is you know we're broadening the scope and if somebody is scandalousious enough

01:14:09.780 I need to, I need to share the story on the show. And I'm really excited about

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01:14:22.900 History. Hepburn is my cat. She is walking across the keyboard of my computer right now. I hope that

01:14:31.300 didn't affect the recording. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know some things. So first of all,

01:14:37.240 I mean, we're in this France portion of the whole saga. I think that there's some episodes

01:14:43.040 that could be worth re-listening to again, just because they have to do with what we're talking

01:14:52.600 about. Like for instance, the Chevalier d'Anne, her story really overlaps with a lot of the people

01:14:58.800 who we're talking about. There's also Jean de Lamotte from The Affair of the Necklace,

01:15:04.560 the very famous and very ugly. Arguably, most people find it ugly. Some people don't. The

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Vulgar History - October 02, 2024

French Revolution： Witnesses (part 2)： Madame du Barry Lost Her Head

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