Vulgar History - International, part 26： Empress Sisi： Final Years (3⧸3)

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00:00:14.880 hello and welcome to vulgar history of feminist women's history comedy podcast

00:00:31.200 my name is ann foster and this is empress cc part three so this week we kind of we wrap up cc's

00:00:40.320 story, which has some more content warnings. So just keep your ears peeled for that. And they

00:00:45.400 will be noted in the show notes as well. But otherwise, yeah, Lanoa Johnson is back. We're

00:00:51.280 going to get to the scoring. It's really challenging when to score because CC is really

00:00:55.200 unlike other people we've examined on this podcast. I also wanted to tell you a little

00:01:00.720 behind the scenes info that this had been originally planned to be the season finale

00:01:06.160 of the international season. But then by accident, I found three more stories that I want to share.

00:01:12.300 So there's going to be several more weeks worth of vulgar history coming up. But just so you know,

00:01:16.920 everything after this is kind of like unplanned, spontaneous bonus episodes. Anyway, oh, I also

00:01:23.040 wanted to mention that. So I know you've all been enjoying Lana Wood Johnson on this podcast,

00:01:27.640 you can learn more about her and her books and her herself at our website, which is

00:01:32.780 lana wood johnson.com so uh enjoy cc part three if you want to if you want to pair her in a romantic

00:01:41.160 story you you do a horse girl story that's that's it beginning and end oh my god i think we're just

00:01:47.700 getting into her like horse girl like colon the return era yes okay so she like as a child she

00:01:56.720 loved riding horses and then like as she was being the empress like she did horseback riding a lot

00:02:02.780 And then this is where she got into, 0.99

00:02:04.620 oh, I said already. 0.96

00:02:05.180 So they, she got that like home in,

00:02:07.840 oh, sorry, Budapest in Hungary,

00:02:10.080 go too low.

00:02:11.560 And then that's, she picked up the bug

00:02:13.400 and she started to love fox hunting,

00:02:15.800 fox and stag hunts.

00:02:17.360 So, but again, he also talks about like,

00:02:19.340 she just inherently like the same way that like,

00:02:22.600 you know, Olympic athletes are good at swimming

00:02:25.900 because of their physiology or whatever. 0.95

00:02:27.420 Like she was just good at being a horse riding person. 0.86

00:02:30.880 She probably had a really good center of gravity

00:02:32.760 me sometimes when you're i'm tall and i have no center of gravity and i will literally fall down

00:02:37.460 just standing still but sometimes when you're when you're taller you have that good balance

00:02:42.820 and i i think she was one of those people that had that she also had ankle length very thick hair 0.95

00:02:47.620 but when she had she had counterbalance she had a horse mane of hair on herself um that's how much

00:02:55.340 of a horse girl she was so she started taking a bunch of trips to the british isles so well this

00:03:00.660 says the british house she went to england she also went to ireland which like caused a bit of

00:03:04.280 an international scandal because they were in the midst of like various england versus ireland

00:03:08.880 things but she's like the fox hunting here is good what's the problem and they're all just like

00:03:12.520 i'm sorry you're fighting with this whole nationalism thing i want to hunt yeah so um

00:03:19.980 between 1876 and 1882 so she went to both england and ireland a lot she maintained several stables

00:03:26.940 participated in fox and stag hunts and she was like really good at it so i think that's part of

00:03:30.860 what the newspapers were being like oh my god guess what she's did she's the best equestrian

00:03:34.640 a frequent riding companion was the famed british equestrian george bay middleton a distant ancestor

00:03:43.580 of the duchess of cambridge kate middleton which is a connection that delights me so bay middleton

00:03:51.200 it's about the it's about time that she gets some sort of connection right you know what

00:03:56.160 prince william has enough huh so george bay middleton was someone who's just like i love

00:04:03.220 this narrative this is like there was that movie that was like victoria and her best friend billy

00:04:07.400 connelly i forget the name of the real life person yes but this is like what if i was going to do a

00:04:15.620 Cici movie, it would be like this era. It would be like Cici, who would be played by, I don't know,

00:04:21.160 I don't know, Gwendolyn Christie in a really long wig or something. And then, oh no, Elizabeth

00:04:25.620 Debicki. And then you get the guy from Outlander, any of the guys from Outlander to be this guy,

00:04:33.660 because he had red hair and he was Scottish, I think, Bay Middleton, who was just like,

00:04:37.980 I don't, he's like, I'm not going to be just like a Sherpa guide for this like random royal.

00:04:42.000 And then she showed up, she was so good on a horseback and he's just like, okay, we're

00:04:45.680 friends now.

00:04:46.420 And he was just like, this is happening.

00:04:48.320 And he was like the one person that she would like yell at her and like instruct her, but

00:04:51.640 she took to it because she's a horse girl and he's like a horse guy.

00:04:54.600 And this is a horse-based relationship.

00:04:57.260 It's entirely stable-based.

00:05:01.000 People are like, oh, and he traveled with her like to Hungary and all this stuff so

00:05:05.000 that he could like help oversee her horses.

00:05:06.520 And people are like, oh, is that her lover?

00:05:07.800 And it's like, no, horses.

00:05:09.420 a stable guy like he just knows things just yeah no it's not the same so bay middleton

00:05:18.840 um and just the story is just another man friend but then eventually she had sciatica

00:05:26.000 um which i don't know how much that's exacerbated by having ankle length hair and what that does to 1.00

00:05:32.360 your spine um and and training your waist and like she wasn't doing any nice things to her nerves 0.62

00:05:39.880 which is interesting because it was seen as like she's very interested in her health

00:05:43.980 is how people phrased it that is that lie that everybody always says it's like well if you're

00:05:50.800 skinny you're interested in your health like just because you have a good metabolism you must be

00:05:57.160 very healthy yeah and and and it reinforces a lot of things so she wasn't interested in her health

00:06:05.200 she was interested in her physical appearance yeah i think that if she was interested in her

00:06:10.760 health she would eat square meals every day yeah and stop exercising when it hurt i think this is

00:06:19.060 an era and again i do not know this era very well but there's the um what's the guys who invented

00:06:26.200 special case cereal they're all they're like health spas oh yes oh oh do not make me make

00:06:31.740 you watch road to wellville do not make me make you watch that so this is like when people say

00:06:37.420 like cece was interested in her health it's like she's a person who thinks about the food she eats

00:06:42.800 and to people in like 1870 they were like to us that's what health means it's like thinking about

00:06:49.060 your food that's a anyway they're just baby steps towards oh oh yeah no the kellogg's guys were a

00:06:56.740 lot they i mean they were running a utopian cult so yeah you know right but i mean like that's a

00:07:02.600 sort of health that people are like she was interested in health they mean kind of like

00:07:07.900 washing your hands and i just needed them to wash their hands yeah she wasn't interested in that but

00:07:13.480 she wasn't anyway it's like it's the equivalent today of being interested in like crystals in

00:07:18.860 essential oils basically yeah I mean you know is what the Kellogg brothers were doing not her

00:07:24.960 like this was a very idealistic period in time too because there was there's this weird lull

00:07:31.040 in everyone hating each other so there was a lot of knowledge transfer and all of that stuff

00:07:35.680 and and so people spent a lot more time like learning from each other and learning different

00:07:42.040 techniques and skills and knowledge and and exploring new things so there's a lot of like

00:07:47.520 socialism and utopianism and and that's why i did my paper on french utopians of this period

00:07:53.600 but no but that's that's the context this is important to know i think like the context of

00:07:58.860 like where she's getting the ideas for the stuff that she does is coming from this kind of larger

00:08:04.680 school of like weird ideas people are giving each other yeah like there's there's a lot of um like

00:08:12.660 calisthenics x you don't need to exercise when you work the land all day every day

00:08:21.380 but you do need to exercise when you stand in front of a machine and pull a lever all day

00:08:27.080 oh yeah no and that switch from from agrarian to industrialization switched how people worked

00:08:36.220 how people lived where their food came from what they ate and so there was this new interest in

00:08:41.180 what of these old ways were actually helping us and which worms were actually hurting us 0.91

00:08:46.060 no but then that gets into like i wrote a whole paper about this like at the same time that women

00:08:51.520 were having um green sickness which is just kind of like hysteria but for young virgins

00:08:57.640 but men were having this like people started to experience like doctors started well like the

00:09:03.660 medical establishment started being more of a thing but it started just being like why do all

00:09:07.040 these people have what i'm gonna call unwee like or which but could be anxiety or depression they

00:09:13.200 call it like green sickness or there's a word for it for men but it was it was basically that

00:09:17.780 it's exactly what you're saying it's like if all you do is go to a factory and pull a lever all day 0.79

00:09:21.420 then like your body's gonna get fucked up like this could like cause things in your mental health 0.87

00:09:26.560 you lose mental stimulation you lack mental stimulation you work 16 jobs what do you get 0.89

00:09:32.240 another day older and deeper in debt so this is it was it was a social shift as well and and and

00:09:41.740 then there was all these these intellectual people they're like hmm this is interesting because it

00:09:47.700 was new new things are fun no but that reminds me too so cece is traveling around and as she's 0.65

00:09:52.680 traveling she's visiting like lunatic asylums i don't know what else to call them sorry but like

00:09:57.480 no that's what they were i mean that was that was their term but that was an interest of her she

00:10:01.600 would go and visit them and see like, well, what techniques are you using? And like, how are the

00:10:05.460 people being cared? Like, cause she was intellectually very curious in mental health.

00:10:10.380 This was still pre-Freud. Like we're still in the barely pre-Freud, but keeping in mind that

00:10:16.280 Fred was from Austria. So the things that she's doing and, and her family influences are influences

00:10:25.520 of his and and her interest in these mental health those asylums made the asylums in Austria a thing 0.76

00:10:35.060 that him as a neuroscientist started to realize there's more to this there's more to this he

00:10:41.220 needs to study in a different way than just I cut open a brain yeah and look at it no this is at the

00:10:48.000 very beginning of when we started recording you said like if she lived today she would go to medical

00:10:51.600 school she could have been a psychologist and i'm just like yeah that was like that would have been

00:10:58.580 great psychologist equestrian that's an equestrian slash social worker oh my god horse therapy she 0.98

00:11:07.180 could have therapy she wouldn't have totally entire she knew horse therapy was a thing she 0.99

00:11:11.300 would have been so far all over that yeah um so her so sciatica eventually she couldn't ride horses

00:11:18.960 anymore um so she took up uh just because she had to keep moving um fencing and hiking eventually

00:11:26.940 you know it used to be like a thing that people fought and competed to be the lady-in-waiting to

00:11:32.340 the empress but now no one really wanted to and she chose people based on like who can keep up

00:11:37.340 with me on like an eight-hour mountain climb every day and that was how she chose her attendance 1.00

00:11:42.500 that is not that is not one of the jobs that elizabeth the first ladies and weddings ever 0.54

00:11:48.940 had to deal with like wait what do you mean an eight hour hike yeah you have a lady in waiting 1.00

00:11:53.680 okay here's your like fitness test like let's just see if you are up to the task so she was

00:11:59.020 traveling all the time whatever but she also i like this detail so her husband was still in

00:12:07.100 vienna just being like i love my wife who's not here and she was like if i'm leaving him like i

00:12:11.440 i want him to be lonely so she like facilitated him taking a lover who was an actress called

00:12:17.400 katarina schratt um they saw her in a play and he thought she was pretty and cc was like oh he 0.98

00:12:22.660 thought she's pretty he she like invited katarina over you should sleep with her the excuse was

00:12:28.400 like every time katarina came over she was described as like cc's friend like oh cc's

00:12:31.960 friend katarina like katarina got her own like apartments like and it was all just like under

00:12:36.580 the guise of like Cece's friend so she's like you're she's like that's handled great I'm gonna 0.83

00:12:41.820 just go like travel everywhere now when she traveled only time where the mistress was the

00:12:48.480 idea well no no there's many times but there's like one of those few times really no oh you

00:12:54.000 want to miss no you don't want a mistress but but you could have one like let's let's see let's see 0.97

00:12:59.400 her their daughter Valerie in her writings was kind of like appalled that her mother had like 1.00

00:13:04.500 arrange this all but cc was just like gotta do what i gotta do when she traveled she didn't

00:13:11.100 under her own name she's the pseudonym the countess of hohenims which i thought was like

00:13:18.840 an anagram or a made-up word but actually that's a place and so she's pretending to be the countess

00:13:23.620 hoho nymphs it's it's it's a very bavarian name yeah tyrol bavarian alpen german sounding word

00:13:34.440 so she traveled and when she went places like if people knew she was the empress then the police

00:13:40.160 would be like we're gonna like we have to like because sorry we're gonna get to this so don't

00:13:44.280 get into too much now lana but there's like assassinations are happening there's anarchists

00:13:50.820 assassinating people everywhere franz joseph avoided several of these attacks

00:13:56.660 socialists utopians a couple utopians not many just a couple yeah so it's actually no this is

00:14:05.620 the exact time period when i was telling you i did a whole history of of socialist utopian

00:14:10.800 assassinations for ann in preparation for this podcast this is the same time period as the

00:14:18.400 utopian from the united colony killed james eight garfield president of the united states and that's

00:14:23.900 when teddy roosevelt became president no no no no no no no no that's that's 1901 that's after cc

00:14:31.000 who became that was an anarchist oh sorry that was an anarchist trying to impress emma goldfarm

00:14:39.640 emma goldman goldman sorry yes emma goldman emma goldman i don't know but emma goldman the famous

00:14:47.520 is she an anarchist yeah anarchist she is she is the queen of the anarchists

00:14:52.760 best known to me queens from the musical ragtime anyway so it's a so cece is just

00:15:01.080 coming into her own like self-actualization traveling around europe during like an incredibly

00:15:06.080 dangerous time for like the empress of austria to be traveling around so franz joseph her husband

00:15:11.120 was like okay i'm gonna arrange like wherever she goes i'm gonna like make sure the local police

00:15:14.500 force like escorts her like a bodyguard and she was just like how dare you so they had to like 0.98

00:15:19.400 secretly follow her around and if she ever noticed one of them was following her around she would like

00:15:24.860 ski daddle and just like run away so like anyway she was just like i do not want bodyguards

00:15:29.560 stop this making it worse yeah so she's traveling around with various people who i think when they

00:15:38.880 were walking they would also be talking about things that interest her so i'm not going to

00:15:42.700 say all of them but there's like various greek people well this is where like she learned modern

00:15:46.320 greek so constantine crystal manos who i mentioned before so he's a playwright and theater director

00:15:53.480 his memoirs of cc were banned by the viennese court um that's how you know they're good

00:15:59.640 yeah so one of her other travel companions is constantine manos who became a resistance

00:16:05.340 fighter against the turks in crete and marinos maranaki a future sportsman a co-founder of the

00:16:11.480 famous greek soccer club panathenaikos she's also accompanied by a swedish therapist

00:16:17.740 arvid ludwig kelgren i'm not sure if that means like a physical therapist or like a mental

00:16:24.380 therapist it was probably an alienist let me double check arvid ludwig kelgren while lana's

00:16:31.540 checking that say that she also continued like she liked visiting hospitals seeing people helping

00:16:36.560 out she arrived at hospitals and charity wards unannounced with only oh go ahead he was a

00:16:42.100 physiotherapist so he was probably most likely for her sciatica he might encourage her to cut her

00:16:47.140 hair that's what i would do if he was any good at his job he would encourage her to cut her hair

00:16:52.940 i wonder if i assume franziska was still there doing her hair anyway during her travel she

00:16:58.800 would go to hospitals and charity wards unannounced here she displayed surprisingly 0.88

00:17:02.560 down-to-earth behavior for a royal holding hands with the dying and speaking to patients about

00:17:06.540 their needs so one of her lady in waitings wrote truly like an angel of mercy she went from bed to

00:17:12.260 bed i saw the tears trickling down the faces of the men and then by the 1880s her mental health

00:17:20.080 stuff was getting new manifestations such as she started doing things like randomly entering

00:17:26.100 strangers homes so did robert downey jr and he's fine yeah but this was also an era where she was

00:17:35.040 this was like this traveling this is when she and ludwig were very close so her favorite play

00:17:41.020 was a midsummer night's dream and she referred to herself as titania queen of the fairies i think

00:17:46.240 ludwig had like an alter ego persona as well yeah and they just sort of like were together just like

00:17:52.960 pretending like they didn't have to be in charge of anywhere and just like being too what are they

00:17:58.000 called the widow's box just like very bavarian together they were being very bavarian he'd just

00:18:04.540 be like look at this cool castle i'm building and she'd be like i'm gonna look at this new

00:18:09.140 psychiatric fact i learned and they're just like having a nice time together and then um a bunch

00:18:17.180 of people die it's turned very very dark and so this is the same era as as a lot of spiritualism

00:18:25.820 was going down definitely and that is the thing that she definitely turned to in this era um so

00:18:31.280 Ludwig died.

00:18:32.580 We talked about him before the mysterious like murder or maybe suicide.

00:18:35.980 She always assumed it was suicide just because she knew about his like

00:18:40.120 melancholy and stuff.

00:18:41.940 Her father died.

00:18:43.720 And then the Mayerling incident happened.

00:18:48.180 Mayerling.

00:18:49.220 Mayerling.

00:18:50.280 So this is a content warning for suicide.

00:18:55.200 And grooming and grooming. 0.76

00:18:58.300 Suicide and grooming. 1.00

00:19:00.480 And her. 0.98

00:19:01.280 and murder. So my lovely editor, Christina, is doing God's work this week, putting all timestamps

00:19:09.360 in for when all these contents happen. So if you want to skip ahead, just check in the notes for

00:19:13.720 the episode and you can skip ahead to when this part is done. But this is a very famous thing.

00:19:19.600 Well, the fact that it's called the Meyerling incident, like it's got a name.

00:19:23.480 Well, that's mostly because it is the era of newspapers.

00:19:27.060 right and newspapers need a discrete term to to advertise around that's true and they can't call

00:19:34.680 it myerling gate yet because watergate hasn't happened so cece's one son too short remember

00:19:42.420 her son rudolph who was like very sensitive and very similar to her not thriving in a military

00:19:48.200 school so then she took over and switched to schooling so he grew up and he continued to be

00:19:52.740 a very all those family traits sort of person including the mental health part of that lineage

00:20:01.640 he also had obsessive thoughts and so this whole incident is a result of him like this is his third

00:20:08.980 attempt okay at this specific thing he needed to find the right girl okay so what just to begin at

00:20:17.020 beginning so rudolph had been dealing with some depressive issues for a while he even um he did

00:20:25.680 try to he was never close to his mother because he was born before she's allowed to be close to

00:20:30.880 her children but although she did rescue him from the schooling that wasn't helping him thrive but

00:20:35.860 anyway he like did at some point maybe try to confide in her but she was just kind of like not

00:20:41.420 she's kind of checked out about him and she's just kind of like i'm busy being titania queen 0.73

00:20:46.520 of the fairies with ludwig so like another time i have enough time for one mentally ill relative

00:20:52.240 and it's going to be ludwig right now and myself yeah and it's me thank you anyway so well you can

00:20:59.340 talk about this so the he had a series of lovers he had a series he was married and he had a

00:21:05.240 daughter he was married and his wife's name his wife's name was stephanie which is the most 1995

00:21:12.580 name of a person in like the 1800s I've ever experienced. My gift to Anne is a story where

00:21:21.400 all of the women have different names. Please. When possible, I try to find as many different 0.93

00:21:29.160 female names for Anne so that she doesn't have to do any research or nicknames. But in this

00:21:38.320 particular case uh rudolph he did his job he had a wife he had a daughter he did not have a son

00:21:44.360 so but he became obsessed with this idea of murder suicide and his wife was not gonna do it

00:21:53.280 stephanie stephanie was not into it stephanie stephanie was barely into him

00:21:58.280 so so being his like victim was not a thing so he found like a couple other

00:22:05.900 lovers to try to convince to his case and they did not so he groomed a 15 year old

00:22:15.880 and convinced her she was so desperately in love with him that they were going to die they were

00:22:22.880 going to commit murder suicide no one's going to stop him he's the crown prince no one's going to

00:22:27.140 stop him from having a lover no one's going to stop this was just a thing that got in his head

00:22:32.140 he was going to do and he did it so he went out into the country into a hunting lodge and and

00:22:41.720 murdered her and then him and then himself and didn't do a great job of it like he

00:22:49.480 they eventually found him and tried to take him to the hospital but he did die along the way

00:22:55.280 and it it was it was super traumatic like everything about it was really traumatic

00:23:00.720 and they tried to make it into they tried to make it look like it was a murder like a full-on murder

00:23:05.920 that someone was jealous and the newspapers found that out like it was it was a very messy tabloid

00:23:13.020 scandal of someone who did not have the help he needed and didn't have the support he needed and

00:23:19.460 got an obsessive thought in his head and took it way too far and obviously his mother who did not

00:23:27.600 have time for him and probably should have um did not deal well with that either here's what um

00:23:36.360 valerie said cc said which is rudolph's bullet killed my face

00:23:42.960 and also the death of rudolph meant in terms of okay

00:23:49.000 it sets up a chain of events that leads to world war one basically he caused world war one

00:23:56.680 Yeah. So what happened is that, so Rudolf had no son. So succession passed to Emperor Franz Joseph's, like Cici's husband's brother, Archduke Karl Ludwig, and his eldest son, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, and the assassination of Franz Ferdinand set off a chain of events that would lead to World War I.

00:24:17.780 And the name of a band.

00:24:19.220 yeah which is what i think of first honestly but um after rudolph's death cc only ever wore black 1.00

00:24:26.360 ever again which made her even more recognizable as much as she wanted to be anonymous she's like 1.00

00:24:32.980 five foot eight little tiny waist all in black carrying her fans of hair ankle length hair 1.00

00:24:40.240 carrying a black fan and a white parasol it's like you could like it's i wouldn't even wear 0.96

00:24:46.700 as waldo that like she's just like very she's not hiding well no as much as she did not want to be 0.93

00:24:52.500 seen or noticed she was like wildly visible and this the myling scandal increased public interest 1.00

00:24:58.240 in cc who was just like remember her she's beautiful and then she was like an equestrian

00:25:02.980 and then like she maybe had lovers so tragic her her cousin died mysteriously her father died and

00:25:11.600 Now her son died in these tragic circumstances.

00:25:14.400 Maybe the same for her.

00:25:16.700 Yeah, I know.

00:25:17.720 So it's really, yeah, it's a dead man walking situation.

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00:28:26.280 although after he died she commissioned the building of a palace on the island of corfu

00:28:30.740 which she named after homer's hero achilles and the iliad um she called it the achilleon

00:28:37.640 so corfu is in or near greece i think because remember all of her friends were greek so i think

00:28:46.960 they probably really got her into like the iliad etc the building was purchased later by german

00:28:52.260 Emperor Wilhelm II. Later, it was acquired by the Nation of Greece, now Greek National Tourism

00:28:57.560 Organization, and converted to a museum. Anyway, so Rudolf the Meierling incident happened. I'll

00:29:04.620 just mention that the name of the girl who died in it was Mary Vetsera. The next year, Sisi's

00:29:12.860 sister Duchess Sophie died, as well as her friend Count Gula Andrasi, about whom her daughter Valerie

00:29:19.840 said she clumbed to him with true and steadfast friendship as she did perhaps to no other person

00:29:24.700 when he died cc wrote my last and only friend is dead um then the next year her sister nene died

00:29:32.460 and then two years later her mother died so yeah she's gonna wear black for the rest of her life

00:29:38.180 because if you add this all up like it's there's a lot of mourning to do and finally france joseph

00:29:44.060 is worried about her mental health yeah he's like finally what's she doing um so she kept

00:29:52.160 traveling so dressed in black she traveled across the continent in north africa refusing police

00:29:58.060 protection determined to travel the whole world over this is her words until i drown and am

00:30:04.060 forgotten so she's taking lots of risks yeah lots of risks yeah um at the age of 51 she got a tattoo

00:30:12.280 of an anchor on her arm which is the first I know of a vulgar history woman getting a tattoo 0.98

00:30:19.580 so she's doing she's engaging in some I would say self-destructive behavior yeah she's not 0.99

00:30:28.500 being careful she's she's not actually traveling incognito like she says she's traveling she's

00:30:35.520 not actually traveling incognito yeah she's she's got maybe a bit of a death wish

00:30:42.280 sorry i spent a lot of time studying world war one uh france joseph is is like genuinely concerned

00:30:48.680 and does recognize the possibility is very high that she will um her harm herself yeah definitely

00:30:56.420 um she spent speaking of him she spent little time in vienna with him um although their

00:31:02.500 correspondence increased during this era a bit and their relationship became a warm friendship

00:31:07.900 as evidenced by the letters um like that's actually good like that i like that because

00:31:13.280 that's what she wanted from him in the first place yeah yeah so um let's see so she traveled

00:31:19.220 on the imperial steamer miramar through the mediterranean her favorite places included

00:31:23.760 cape martin on the french riviera san ramo on the ligurian riviera where tourism had only started

00:31:31.140 the second half of the 19th century like geneva in switzerland bad ischel in austria and corfu

00:31:37.500 She also visited countries not usually visited by European royals at the time, Morocco, Algeria, Malta, Turkey, and Egypt.

00:31:44.340 And she was going to, so this is like the tourism industry was very just beginning.

00:31:50.360 So it's not just like she's traveling and refusing bodyguards.

00:31:53.360 She's going to like, at this point, like very remote areas where there's not like a hotel you can just check into.

00:32:00.140 Like she's just, so she's having adventures, but she's going to kind of off the beaten path type areas. 0.52

00:32:06.920 She's not going to Rome and having, doing the, it's like, she's not doing the things you'd expect a Victorian to do. She's, and she's, she's being a genuine tourist. Like with her, she wanted to be around the actual people. So she's not pulling her whole entourage into Egypt and causing a disruption there. She's finding a place to stay in Egypt and experiencing that place.

00:32:30.920 yeah exactly and that's like the stuff I read about you know she'd go to the hospital and visit 0.97

00:32:35.320 people like she'd bring like one lady in waiting with her maybe like she wasn't yeah so she was

00:32:40.280 but also just in terms of like how like this is the era like hey we're gonna get to things but

00:32:48.120 like there's a lot of assassinations and various people wandering around shooting and stabbing

00:32:53.700 various people so there's also a lot of of unrest happening so this is this is when um

00:33:00.060 france joseph's not sitting at home like my wife is traveling a lot like he he annexed bosnia

00:33:07.460 herzegovina and serbia and like brought them into austria kind of against their wishes

00:33:14.140 there's a lot of nationalism rising up and there's a lot of sentiment within the community

00:33:19.360 in that community in particular of of of separatism and and finding their own individual

00:33:26.800 nationalism but then there's also the anarchists all over and this this new um anti-modernity

00:33:33.780 marxism is on the rise yeah um socialism other forms of socialism are on the rise

00:33:39.760 in a more um contrary like anti-statist mentality of anarchism and socialism there's also an anti

00:33:49.000 monarchy moment happening yes it's a very big anti-monarchy and anti-monarchy

00:33:56.520 austro-hungarian empire even though it is far smaller than it ever was before still holds that 0.78

00:34:03.760 that old money old the old world aspect to it because the habsburgs have been around since

00:34:12.380 the 1200s yeah so it it was a symbol in addition like in addition to simply being the current

00:34:20.220 leadership they're also symbols of yeah this old europe right and that's the thing that's who

00:34:26.120 is like people like friends joseph is being targeted not well partially maybe because of

00:34:31.660 the stuff he did but also just symbolically like to assassinate the emperor would be killing at the

00:34:37.680 eventual killing of france ferdinand was a symbolic murder there wasn't really a whole like

00:34:42.360 their their power had been so much it wasn't going to make serbia free but it was it was a very

00:34:49.320 symbolic murder that started world war one and fundamentally changed europe and the world yeah

00:34:56.960 but it those kinds of that the risk had started at this period because that was only like this is

00:35:06.700 the 80s late late 80s 90s and this is going to be uh the murder of france fernand was 1911 so

00:35:13.820 yeah it's 20 year period that's an extended period of just unrest there's also a fiscal

00:35:22.160 downturn during that period uh worldwide depression the one of the first worldwide

00:35:27.460 depressions was in 1890 so there's also a fiscal downturn and that would lead to all this stuff

00:35:32.140 like people becoming more radicalized with yeah so she built the achillion on corfu and franz

00:35:42.200 joseph was just like maybe she'll like stay there and like retire there forever but she was just like

00:35:47.680 moving on um so here's a quote from her oh i think this is actually a poem of hers i loved i lived i

00:35:56.920 wandered through the world but never reached what i strove for so she's just like on the go

00:36:04.000 1898 despite warnings of possible assassination attempts cc now age 60 traveled to geneva

00:36:14.040 switzerland under her assumed name and her using for nearly a decade at this point and her wildly

00:36:21.860 identifiable appearance but someone from the hotel where she was staying recognized her and revealed

00:36:29.820 that she was their guest and then the next day in the newspaper it said like guess who's in town

00:36:34.080 CZ she calls herself Hohenems you can recognize her by her black dress her ankle-length hair

00:36:41.220 fan and parasol so also in town was the Italian anarchist Luigi Lucini who had come to Switzerland

00:36:49.820 to assassinate Prince Henri of Orleans

00:36:51.960 in an active protest against the ruling class.

00:36:55.100 You're to the throne of France.

00:36:58.120 So my notes here, just to summarize

00:37:01.440 some of what you've just said.

00:37:02.500 Over three decades, beginning in 1880,

00:37:04.840 anarchists killed a Russian czar,

00:37:06.540 two Spanish premiers, a French president,

00:37:08.560 and an Italian king.

00:37:10.460 And in the next two years,

00:37:11.840 two years after this would kill,

00:37:14.360 or well, three years after this would kill 0.73

00:37:15.920 the president of the United States.

00:37:18.200 and then teddy roosevelt became president

00:37:21.440 and was teddy roosevelt supposed to be president no why not because he wasn't popular with the

00:37:29.520 party yes his own party hated him and made him vice president to get him out of the way

00:37:34.260 but then he became president because the president was killed this is american history lana has taught

00:37:39.560 me my part of my job is teaching and american history and i'm very proud when she remembers

00:37:46.040 part of it yeah most of that is because i made you also watch the alienist and you started learning

00:37:51.640 who teddy roosevelt was well because and if you watch the alienist the like murder mystery show

00:37:56.780 taking place in oldie times new york teddy roosevelt is like the chief of police and i was

00:38:00.920 like wait teddy roosevelt is the chief of police i'm like lana why is teddy roosevelt on this show

00:38:05.260 is this made up and then you explain to me a lot about teddy roosevelt anyway so lucini luigi

00:38:11.620 lucini is in town he wants to assassinate the prince of orleans and then but it wasn't even

00:38:17.900 really much of a prince of anything like he was he was the pretender to the throne of france

00:38:22.160 which france was a this is a hundred years after the french revolution like there's not yeah it's

00:38:30.420 75 years after napoleon there's no rulers here this is all luigi's an anarchist you know he's

00:38:36.860 just doing his own thing so but the prince cancelled his trip but then luigi lucini i

00:38:42.300 imagine reads the newspaper cc's in town she was easy to identify and it was and she traveled

00:38:48.840 without protection officers so um she was walking with one of her ladies and waiting i don't know 0.90

00:38:54.280 if this is one of her like marathon eight hour walks anyway no no it wasn't she was walking 0.96

00:38:58.660 along a dock to board a ship she was leaving yeah luigi approached her attacked her with a small

00:39:04.060 triangular like a sharpened file cc thought that cc fell but she was cushioned by her gigantic

00:39:12.140 amount of hair so she didn't she wasn't injured in the fall um and she stood up thinking she had

00:39:18.540 been punched but what had happened was that he had be the combination of like the tight laced

00:39:24.720 leather corset and the smallness of the nail file or not a nail file but like the file like

00:39:30.560 it was a very small wound it was a needle file yeah file specifically for needles so it was very

00:39:35.840 very small okay yes it's a very small thing and so she bled out so slowly that she like got on

00:39:42.780 the ship she bled into herself yeah so if anybody's watched um sherlock the the wedding episode that

00:39:51.420 is based on cc's murder um she was the course the tight-laced corset kept everything contained

00:39:57.860 and she slowly bled into her pericardium by the time they figured out what was going on

00:40:03.120 there was no blood in her veins anymore yeah bled in so it seems at first it seemed like

00:40:10.860 she just fainted or something but then they realized that it was hours later like she just

00:40:15.560 kept going and everything was fine but no one knew the boat yeah um when her husband franz joseph

00:40:23.000 now her widower i guess when he received a telegram informing him of her death he

00:40:26.780 assumed at first that she had died by suicide but a later message arrived detailing the

00:40:32.280 assassination and then he was like oh um not that that's reassuring necessarily but um it was

00:40:39.740 it was probably comforting to know that she'd continued like she was she was still living

00:40:45.980 yeah she was still going she she's still living and living for herself in the way that she'd found

00:40:51.940 that worked for her and she hadn't given up and sometimes when we're in those situations like

00:40:57.740 you find the ways to continue going like your brain weasels tell you things and you find ways

00:41:05.080 around the brain weasels and and and knowing from experience like it's nice to know that

00:41:11.120 they continue to fight yeah that's true I agree yeah so and Cece never stopped until someone

00:41:20.000 stopped her so geneva went into mourning um cc's body was placed in a triple coffin two inner ones

00:41:28.240 of lead the third exterior one of bronze reposing on lion claws the coffin was fitted with two glass

00:41:34.600 panels covered with doors which could be slid back to allow her face to be seen which she would

00:41:39.000 have hated because after she was age 32 she's just like no one can ever see my face her body

00:41:44.380 was carried back to vienna on a funeral train the inscription on her coffin read cc empress of

00:41:48.800 austria the hungarians were outraged the hungarians were outraged and the words and queen of hungary

00:41:55.680 were hastily added the entire austro-hungarian empire was in deep mourning 82 sovereigns and

00:42:02.480 high-ranking nobles followed her funeral cortege on the morning of september 17th to the tomb

00:42:07.100 and i think his friends joseph said something about where he was just like of all the people

00:42:12.360 to assassinate like she was uh she went to visit people in hospitals she was like a kind person

00:42:18.940 like she was like basically apolitical he's just like she's like like her like what but it was

00:42:25.640 symbolic i guess and she was she was also accessible like she she um there is there's a

00:42:32.140 thing about like the patty hearse kidnapping patty hearse is a very strange person to kidnap but she 1.00

00:42:36.340 was the richest person that didn't have any form of security or protections around her like yeah 0.99

00:42:43.340 sometimes sometimes history is made by uh accessibility exactly but just in his grief

00:42:49.840 i guess friends joseph was being like she was the best of us all etc well he's gonna say that about

00:42:53.840 anybody any any way she died she's gonna say she was the best of us all she didn't deserve to go

00:42:59.200 so once it was discovered that an italian was responsible for this assassination unrest swept

00:43:05.640 vienna and reprisals were threatened against italians the intensity of shock mourning and

00:43:10.720 outrage far exceeded that which occurred at the news of rudolph's death an outcry erupted over

00:43:16.040 the lack of protection for the empress and the swiss police had to be like no we tried like we

00:43:20.240 offered like we wanted to help she wouldn't let us protect her like like she had detected his

00:43:27.080 officers outside the hotel the day before the assassination and protest surveillance was

00:43:31.580 disagreeable so he had no choice but to withdraw them and luigi had been following the empress for

00:43:36.920 several days waiting for an opportunity so that was the moment that he chose it's also the way

00:43:43.300 he killed her like it would have just looked like she'd been hit yeah and not all not all entourages

00:43:48.580 could even stop something like that yeah like it seemed like someone had just yeah it was a very

00:43:55.140 strange kind of murder and yeah and like they did it it was weird like even their ability to find

00:44:03.120 the murder weapon was like i didn't even know what he was throwing away but now that you tell

00:44:07.400 me to look for something i found this thing yeah this yeah and i'm yeah it's a very like it was on

00:44:14.200 sherlock but i feel like it's a very sherlock holmes-esque it's like wait what did she die of

00:44:17.760 wait why isn't there blood like wait what was the weapon but yeah so since cc was famous for

00:44:23.380 preferring the common man to courtiers known for her charitable works and considered such a

00:44:27.080 blameless target um luigi's sanity was questioned initially because people were just like why would

00:44:32.980 you kill cc like you must be insane where it's like no like you just said it's like that was

00:44:38.760 who he could get to he was an anarchist anarchist anti-statist he was going to do he wanted to kill 0.99

00:44:45.640 somebody she was available yeah so his will or her will stipulated a large part of her jewel

00:44:51.680 collection should be sold and the proceeds were to be applied to various religious and charitable

00:44:56.240 organizations. Oh, here's what Friends Joseph said. That a man could be found to attack such

00:45:02.040 a woman whose whole life was spent in doing good and who never injured any person is to me

00:45:06.020 incomprehensible. Everything outside of the crown jewels and state property that Cece had the power

00:45:11.840 to bequeath was left to her granddaughter, the archduchess Cece, Rudolph's child. Oh, and the

00:45:17.920 thing, the famous, the CC stars, the like gold, like she had given those away sort of one at a

00:45:23.540 time to various people who she appreciated. So those weren't around to be pleased to anyone

00:45:27.660 anymore. Upon her death, Franz Joseph founded the order of Elizabeth in memory of her. And there are

00:45:35.400 numerous statues created in her honor, as well as chapels, parks, and bridges in several countries,

00:45:40.940 including lots in Hungary. Various residences that she frequented are preserved and open to

00:45:46.760 public as museums um there's there was an operetta there is uh plays musicals ballets films tv shows

00:45:58.480 the german films i think there's something about those air you said that there's the y author who

00:46:03.160 watches the three cc films every year but i think they air on tv in germany and maybe some other

00:46:08.040 countries it's like a christmas tradition like the way the people would watch i don't know christmas

00:46:12.580 Carol or whatever. It's like, like on Easter, you watch 10 commandments. Yeah. And at Christmas,

00:46:17.860 well, because she had a Christmas birthday, right? Yeah. So Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve

00:46:22.780 birthday. Um, there's going to be this new Netflix series coming out soon. There are lots of

00:46:28.240 historical fiction books, but CC, including one of the Royal diaries and that's, we're going to

00:46:35.420 move on to the scoring of CC. I'm going to leave this entirely in your hands, Lana, just because

00:46:39.820 you know her well i mean i will i'll have opinions but like so you're going to have to

00:46:46.380 prop me because unlike with uh vulgar peace theater i am not on top of okay what the scoring

00:46:53.280 categories are so the first category and you're scoring between 0 and 10 is scandalousness and

00:46:59.820 this is for her an interesting one because a lot of the stuff she did to me i'm like okay but the

00:47:05.120 people of viennese court were like what like i'm gonna start measuring yourself by the people of

00:47:11.020 viennese court we're all scandalicious and that's just sad that's true yeah so it's just like how

00:47:15.840 she's not skin like the people around her rumors get like rudolph he wins he's a he's an 11 yeah

00:47:22.540 but like cc like i give her maybe a five like yeah scandalicious is not what makes her story 1.00

00:47:28.440 interesting no she wasn't no exactly like and the stuff that she did that people saw as 1.00

00:47:34.940 scandalous were stuff like she's trying to take care of herself she was it was self-care she she

00:47:43.320 visited patients in a hospital like these are things like i don't know yeah i'm a good person 0.77

00:47:48.740 okay yeah the culture she was in found things about her scandalous said like she was not doing

00:47:54.140 to be scandalous i guess that's the thing she didn't intend to be seen that way even though

00:47:58.460 some of her actions were seen that way they weren't that wasn't the intent and and like 0.99

00:48:03.040 sometimes she was like she she pushed boundaries with the hungarian thing like she she used she

00:48:09.300 full-on exchanged sex with her husband for recognition of hungary as an equal partner 1.00

00:48:16.520 to austria like she that is probably the most scandalous thing she did and she had 0.66

00:48:23.800 she she fostered relationships that were open to rumors but not like it was scandalous 0.98

00:48:32.720 she could have stopped doing that but that was not like she didn't want to yeah like she had 0.99

00:48:38.600 she had friendships with men which that was just scandalous because she was the empress

00:48:43.060 but the relationships themselves are just friendships like they weren't right yeah like

00:48:48.620 that's the most scandalous thing about her is that she was going to be friends with men she's

00:48:52.060 going to stay friends with men and you weren't going to stop her and i guess also the fact that 0.93

00:48:56.200 she like hired hungarian staff or whatever like lower nobility yeah so five the next one is it's

00:49:05.720 scheminess but i do want to clarify that this isn't necessarily like aha i'm scheming but just

00:49:11.320 like cleverness like her i don't know like how the ability to make up a plan and execute it

00:49:19.320 you know like being quick on her feet like i don't know that i'd give her credit for being 0.98

00:49:24.740 quick on her feet but I think she is like bullheaded enough like she's going to find a way 1.00

00:49:32.580 to get her way and she's going to try every like I don't know that she was very smart about 1.00

00:49:39.640 manipulating people because people were kind of hard for her but she wasn't going to stop until 0.99

00:49:44.720 she got her way until she figured out how to ask them or how to say the thing that she wanted 0.68

00:49:48.840 yeah i think give her a seven i think so sheer effort because like tenacity and she did have

00:49:56.760 success like the the austria-hungary thing again like the fact that she was just like 1.00

00:50:01.860 that was her like she made that because of her mediation and her manipulation of her husband 1.00

00:50:09.140 gave her husband a mistress yeah i think yeah she had some schemes she she used her husband 1.00

00:50:17.300 to get the kid away from Sophie like she it wasn't it didn't come easy to her no no it's 0.88

00:50:24.680 exactly about it yeah like as a child like if none of this had happened if she had married

00:50:29.460 off to some whatever Bavarian lord or something she would just like continue just like living in

00:50:34.360 the woods and riding horses and just like having a nice time she wasn't like a schemey person by

00:50:39.860 nature but she eventually figured out a way that she could be schemey on her own terms she was good

00:50:45.640 at, she, she could, she was good at figuring out how to get her way in a system that the one thing 0.98

00:50:51.000 she want, like the one thing she wanted, the few things she wanted were the things that were

00:50:55.880 forbidden from her. Yeah. Well, even the fact that she was like, well, I'm having my hairstyle. I'm

00:51:01.740 just going to like learn a couple languages. A couple, a couple of foreign languages. You don't

00:51:06.740 want me to know like not the good ones. Yeah. The useful ones. See that's scheming to me. The next

00:51:12.580 one is her significance and you can interpret that however you want I'm gonna put this like

00:51:20.320 probably a little like I'm I'm probably gonna put this again at a seven like she wasn't

00:51:25.060 she wasn't moving nations but and and I don't think she like had any real direct

00:51:32.840 influence over mental health but I don't think the progression that we have towards the kind

00:51:42.280 of mental health care that we have now, which went through some real dark eras and, and real

00:51:47.220 dark ages in between now and then. I don't think the progression would have happened if she hadn't

00:51:54.480 been someone who fostered that in the Viennese community at that time, because it, it gave rise

00:52:02.400 to Jung and Freud and it made a space for them to exist in a community that probably wouldn't

00:52:10.880 normally want them to be there and and so i would say like that part of her influence is pretty high

00:52:18.680 and she has a barbie doll like in the 90s she got a barbie doll like not many not many queens got

00:52:26.220 barbie dolls no no i don't know if anyone i've done on vulgar history before has had a barbie

00:52:31.680 doll to be that significant a hundred years after your death yeah well then also the like the movie

00:52:40.540 I think well I think part of why she is known is because of those movies from the 50s as well

00:52:44.680 um and then the sexism bonus like how much did sexism hold her back I think by this point in

00:52:55.060 time I don't know that it did I don't think sexism was a thing that that she had to like I don't

00:52:59.920 think she gets any bonuses for that because like literally she's living in the time period 1.00

00:53:04.040 where women are going to college. Like women are achieving Marie Curie is, is studying radium. 1.00

00:53:13.140 Like there are women doing far more interesting things than her. Um, she, she gets that bonus of 0.99

00:53:22.920 you're expected to like, like if she gets one or two points, it's because her job was to have

00:53:28.180 children. And she found a way around that. The sexism bonus is like, how much more could she

00:53:36.040 have done if not for the patriarchy, but for her, it's not really the people it is, but it's also 0.61

00:53:41.780 patriarchy, but it's not any more patriarchy than our grandmothers had. Yeah. Well, it's like,

00:53:49.320 she was married off at age 15. She was like, she's putting, but that's not, I don't know.

00:53:54.320 like she did as best as she could given those circumstances so how much are you giving her a

00:53:58.540 three one or two like two okay so that's like it's not the odds are not stacked against her 0.99

00:54:07.180 the way a lot of a lot of the women in history are she could own property she could you know 1.00

00:54:12.240 have gone to college and she was well and even like not that she did but like she she was able 1.00

00:54:18.360 to travel independently like she was able to hang out and tell tell people no she was able to tell

00:54:25.880 people now yeah yeah so it wasn't life-threatening to do well it was but like not in the way not the

00:54:33.800 telling people no was not life-threatening the things that she was telling them no for were

00:54:37.320 ill-advised so ultimately her grand total is i'm going to tell you the number that i'm going to

00:54:43.860 tell you the company that she's keeping okay so her total is 21 which in the context of this

00:54:50.400 podcast i think is a fair assessment given what we're scoring people on um given that she's a

00:54:55.900 different sort of person than what we often talk about but here's the thing you know who is a 20

00:55:00.780 caroline of brunswick so she's the goat so i would that that is the company i want to keep

00:55:08.240 exactly i like that they're there together and just kind of like they could like canada brunswick

00:55:14.300 also memorably took various trips around the mediterranean yeah she she found a way to her

00:55:23.160 own freedom they're the same kind of people that found their freedom despite the odds stacked

00:55:30.640 against they were both raised quasi feral in germany and then were married to into families

00:55:38.420 where they didn't really fit and and in one case it was to a dude that did not want to be married

00:55:44.800 to her in another case it was to a dude that very much did want to be married to her yeah so that

00:55:49.900 influenced their outcomes but but yes that's like they're they're they're interesting people they

00:55:56.420 don't have to be schemey or badass to be interesting. No, exactly. Exactly. And I think,

00:56:01.980 I hope that you have made with me assisting a little bit, a good case for why she deserves

00:56:08.780 to be remembered for much more than her diet tips and hair length. I mean, I love her hair.

00:56:17.100 Don't get me wrong, but that's, that's, that's the, like, that's the introduction is look at 0.83

00:56:22.540 this cool hair now meet the rest of her exactly exactly and that's the hortons mancini effect

00:56:27.840 where you're just like well this looks cool is their story interesting oh it is so like cool

00:56:32.200 hair in a portrait to me it's two for two between these two they both led to great stories

00:56:38.180 lana can you just remind everybody about your excellent books and where they can find you

00:56:44.260 to follow you on social media and things all right um my my first novel was technically you

00:56:51.580 started it which is a text transcript of two very nerdy teenagers as they slowly fall in love even

00:56:56.800 though they hate each other in real life and um it's companion novel speak for yourself which is

00:57:05.400 set in the same nerdy high school those are both available wherever fine books are sold mostly

00:57:09.700 online at this point because it's been a couple years and i am available online everywhere you

00:57:16.080 can find me at muliebris m-u-l-i-e-b-r-i-s because one day i needed a name that did not

00:57:23.060 have number an account that did not have numbers in hotmail and i liked that so well thank you so

00:57:31.600 much yeah and i think everybody should um thank you so much for you know helping tippy toe my

00:57:39.120 weight towards a habsburg moment it's just there's so many of them and they're all called

00:57:44.600 Marie. You can't avoid them forever.

00:57:48.720 But I will continue to try. Thank you.

00:57:52.980 So we mentioned this in the episode, but again, you can find out more about Lana at

00:57:57.060 lanawoodjohnson.com. I think if you're a fan of this podcast, then you will really enjoy

00:58:01.780 her two YA novels, Speak for Yourself, and Technically You Started It, which are both,

00:58:06.420 as she mentioned in the episode, they are young adult contemporary novels, but they're also,

00:58:10.740 So if you're into all the history, Easter eggs and stuff, they're actually not so secretly

00:58:16.440 based on historical stories and people and books.

00:58:20.120 So I'm still figuring out what would be a good CC item to put in the shop.

00:58:26.340 So stay tuned for that.

00:58:27.360 I always announce stuff like that on Instagram and stuff.

00:58:30.780 But you can shop Vulgar History merch at vulgarhistory.store whenever you're shopping.

00:58:37.000 remember you can use code tits out for free u.s shipping or tits out 10 for 10 off uh there's

00:58:43.520 all the hortons stuff is there we've got stuff throughout this whole international season from

00:58:48.860 previous seasons uh the summer collection you know it's it's still there at least at the point

00:58:55.560 at which you're hearing this episode the tits out we've got the slides we've got the tanks

00:59:01.440 various things anyway i'm i've got ideas coming up for like fall merch but anyway stay tuned for

00:59:06.780 that. You can leave comments and feedback at vulgarhistory.com. There's a button there for

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Vulgar History - September 14, 2022

International, part 26： Empress Sisi： Final Years (3⧸3)

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